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Title: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: MUMonster03 on March 12, 2019, 03:41:09 AM
Good luck to the Women's team tonight in their bid to win the regular season and Big East Tournament Championship!

Hopefully the men can take some inspiration from how the women have recovered from a lackluster finish to the regular season, starting 12-0 and then trading wins and losses, and can make a run to Saturday.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Ardmore Mug on March 12, 2019, 09:23:50 AM
I hope a lot of you Scoopers watch the game ! ! !   FS1-- 7PM CT
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Marquette Fan on March 12, 2019, 04:47:24 PM
Good luck to the Women's team tonight in their bid to win the regular season and Big East Tournament Championship!

Hopefully the men can take some inspiration from how the women have recovered from a lackluster finish to the regular season, starting 12-0 and then trading wins and losses, and can make a run to Saturday.

The finish would have likely been a bit different if Davenport hadn't been lost to an ACL injury in the Butler game - pretty sure they win that game if she doesn't get hurt in that game - think seeing that and hearing her reaction to the injury was mentally tough for the team.  Now the Creighton game was just an awful showing - not sure what happened there so don't think the Davenport injury made a difference there.  But it has been good to see them put things together beating Providence in the last regular season game when they were down another starter (Danielle King got hurt at Creighton and didn't play at Providence) and that game clinched the outright BE regular season title.  And their showing so far in the BET has been great - kudos to Hiedeman and Blockton for really stepping it up in the BET.

Tonight I think they need a big game from either VanKleunen or Spingola if they are going to win - they will need contributions from the bench - DePaul hasn't lost since Marquette beat them in Chicago on Feb. 3rd and is playing very well.

Go Marquette!!!
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 12, 2019, 07:19:29 PM
8-0 Marquette run gives them the 12-10 lead. 3 min left in first quarter.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 12, 2019, 07:22:28 PM
Tied at 20. End of first quarter.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: warriorchick on March 12, 2019, 07:30:32 PM
Lax Bros showed up for the game.  Very cool.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: LloydsLegs on March 12, 2019, 07:32:18 PM
What a fun game.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Marquette Fan on March 12, 2019, 07:37:07 PM
Lax Bros showed up for the game.  Very cool.

And they are very loud - that's awesome.

Things are much better at this point in the game than they were last year in the BET final.

Go Marquette!!!
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 12, 2019, 07:44:17 PM
40-35. Halftime.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Marquette Fan on March 12, 2019, 07:53:52 PM
Nice end to the half but a long way's to go.  Marquette really needs to get some three pointers to fall.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 12, 2019, 08:06:47 PM
Marquette with a quick run of points. Up 46-35. 8:50 left in third.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Marquette Fan on March 12, 2019, 08:18:57 PM
Marquette with a quick run of points. Up 46-35. 8:50 left in third.

And now they're trying to fall apart :(.  DePaul on a big run and it's down to a 3 point lead - 52-49 with 3:02 to go in the third quarter.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on March 12, 2019, 08:22:59 PM
Lax Bros showed up for the game.  Very cool.
What amazing they had a game at MOON TOWNSHIP, Pennsylvania in the afternoon. As, I type this Lisa on FS1 just said it.  ;D
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 12, 2019, 08:24:50 PM
59-53. Going to the fourth quarter.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Marquette Fan on March 12, 2019, 08:26:17 PM
59-53. Going to the fourth quarter.

Nice fast breaks near the end of the third quarter.  Let's go Marquette - close this one out!!!
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 12, 2019, 08:29:26 PM
FTs are brutal. Would be up double digits with decent percentage. But it is a fun game to watch!
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 12, 2019, 08:37:06 PM
65-60 and shooting two after media timeout. 5 to go.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 12, 2019, 08:43:09 PM
Seems like DePaul either making 3s or layups. MU 40% FY line. Ugh. Yet up 4. Go figure.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: LloydsLegs on March 12, 2019, 08:48:11 PM
#ftnomatta
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: SaveOD238 on March 12, 2019, 08:52:42 PM
This has been an absolute helluva game.  Perfectly fitting for MU-DePaul round 3
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: LloydsLegs on March 12, 2019, 08:54:55 PM
Zoiks.  Air ball ft.  Oh well, nomatta. 
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: SaveOD238 on March 12, 2019, 08:56:05 PM
Women's NCAA has the stupid advance the ball on a timeout rule, like the NBA? Gross.  I hope that doesn't come to men's.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 12, 2019, 08:57:17 PM
Just brutal. sigh
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: warriorchick on March 12, 2019, 08:57:31 PM
Zoiks.  Air ball ft.  Oh well, nomatta.

You don't say.....
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: LloydsLegs on March 12, 2019, 08:57:35 PM
Wow. Tough loss.  JB, freethrowsmatta
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 12, 2019, 08:58:17 PM
Luke Fischer has struck again.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: nyg on March 12, 2019, 09:00:59 PM
That’s pretty bad.  Feel bad for the ladies.

9 for 19 from line.  20 to 8 offensive boards for DePaul.

Airball by Sandy’s sister, who missed three layups in second half.

Question.  Is that their style of play, just run down the court, no shot clock management?  Man, they had lead but not use clock, just run down and shoot. 
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Big Papi on March 12, 2019, 09:02:16 PM
Wow that looked familiar.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: MuMark on March 12, 2019, 09:05:04 PM
Wow. Tough loss.  JB, freethrowsmatta

9-19 at the line including an air ball from the player of the year.....and lose by 1.

Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: CTWarrior on March 12, 2019, 09:05:29 PM
I've watched the women a few times now, and they play like they don't have a coach.  They just run up and down, take the first shot they come across even if its a long 2 with plenty of shot clock.  They are solely reliant on their talent.  I get it I get it that FT % isn't high on the list of importance when it comes to winning or losing most times, but it absolutely was the biggest reason tonight.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 12, 2019, 09:07:19 PM
Women's NCAA has the stupid advance the ball on a timeout rule, like the NBA? Gross.  I hope that doesn't come to men's.

I pray it does.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: nyg on March 12, 2019, 09:09:27 PM
I've watched the women a few times now, and they play like they don't have a coach.  They just run up and down, take the first shot they come across even if its a long 2 with plenty of shot clock.  They are solely reliant on their talent.  I get it I get it that FT % isn't high on the list of importance when it comes to winning or losing most times, but it absolutely was the biggest reason tonight.

Thats first game I watched and why I asked the question.  Believe they had 4 point lead and each time they had the ball, they shot within like 10 seconds.  Then the coach wasted a timeout, which if they had, would have given them the ball at half court.  The airball was just embarrassing for the shooter, felt terrible for her. 
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Marquette Fan on March 12, 2019, 09:10:45 PM
That’s pretty bad.  Feel bad for the ladies.

9 for 19 from line.  20 to 8 offensive boards for DePaul.

Airball by Sandy’s sister, who missed three layups in second half.

Question.  Is that their style of play, just run down the court, no shot clock management?  Man, they had lead but not use clock, just run down and shoot.

Yes that's their style of play.  And while it was hard to get used to at first, they seem to have more trouble in a slow it down style when trying to kill some clock.

Way too many missed free throws and poor execution near the end.  With 10 seconds to go, I said just don't give  up a 3 or the AND 1 so at least all they can do is tie and they give up the AND 1.  They should have won that game and now it's 6 days until Selection Monday and there's a long time to stew on this loss.  This loss cost them any chance they had of hosting games at the Al also. 
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Marquette Fan on March 12, 2019, 09:12:25 PM
Thats first game I watched and why I asked the question.  Believe they had 4 point lead and each time they had the ball, they shot within like 10 seconds.  Then the coach wasted a timeout, which if they had, would have given them the ball at half court.  The airball was just embarrassing for the shooter, felt terrible for her.

Yeah I was really upset they had burned all their timeouts at the end - sure would have been nice to have advanced the ball there.

I've never seen Hiedeman shoot a free throw like that in her 4 years at MU...
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: MU82 on March 12, 2019, 09:17:37 PM
Yeah I was really upset they had burned all their timeouts at the end - sure would have been nice to have advanced the ball there.

I've never seen Hiedeman shoot a free throw like that in her 4 years at MU...

To paraphrase the great Gary Gaetti: "It's hard to shoot a free throw with both hands around your neck."
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: muguru on March 12, 2019, 09:20:39 PM
It's obvious the women's team has the "yips" just like the men's team does..both went on late season slides, both can't hold late leads...there's obviously demons in the Al somewhere that is inflicting both programs right now
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Cheeks on March 12, 2019, 09:23:10 PM
I pray it does.

I pray it doesn’t.  Dumbest rule in sports
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: cheebs09 on March 12, 2019, 09:24:04 PM
It's obvious the women's team has the "yips" just like the men's team does..both went on late season slides, both can't hold late leads...there's obviously demons in the Al somewhere that is inflicting both programs right now

The women’s team has had a rough go of injuries.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Marquette Fan on March 12, 2019, 09:30:52 PM
It's obvious the women's team has the "yips" just like the men's team does..both went on late season slides, both can't hold late leads...there's obviously demons in the Al somewhere that is inflicting both programs right now

I completely disagree.

Davenport was their only post threat and went down with an ACL injury on Feb. 22nd (and I really think they win that game vs. Butler if she doesn't go down with that injury).  Dani King got hurt on March 1st and missed a game and despite what she said I don't think she's 100% still.  And Blockton probably isn't quite 100% yet after her injury. Yes they should have won this game and didn't execute well enough to do so but I don't think it was a late season slide.  Davenport was the player they could least afford to lose and outside of the game at Creighton I think they've done a pretty good job of adjusting to life without her until the last few minutes of this game.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Marquette Fan on March 12, 2019, 09:32:11 PM
I pray it doesn’t.  Dumbest rule in sports

I personally have liked the changes in the Women's game with going to quarters, eliminating the 1 and 1 and allowing the advancing of the ball late in the game with the timeout.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: SaveOD238 on March 12, 2019, 09:32:15 PM
The women’s team has had a rough go of injuries.

Not having Davenport killed them tonight.  There was no answer for Stonewall inside
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Marquette Fan on March 12, 2019, 09:36:33 PM
Not having Davenport killed them tonight.  There was no answer for Stonewall inside

That and missing 10 free throws - they were 9 of 19 from the line.  I can't remember the last time they've shot that poorly from the line.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: skianth16 on March 12, 2019, 10:12:52 PM
I pray it doesn’t.  Dumbest rule in sports

Preach. I don't understand how that rule was ever created.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: skianth16 on March 12, 2019, 10:17:18 PM
Wow that looked familiar.

I didn't catch the game, but taking a look at the recap, it looks like it was eerily similar to the last 4 men's games. That's a tough one to lose, but at least they have the regular season championship to hang their hats on this year. And having the BEPOY can help take the sting off a little too.

Best of luck in the NCAAs!
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Cheeks on March 12, 2019, 10:47:16 PM
I personally have liked the changes in the Women's game with going to quarters, eliminating the 1 and 1 and allowing the advancing of the ball late in the game with the timeout.

I don’t understand how form 98% of the game it is a territorial game of advancing the ball past half court and shooting a basketball, but the last two minutes if you have a timeout, all of that is thrown away. 

For no other reason to make it exciting, but you have just disadvantaged the other team as a result.  We ‘re putting excitement over the fundamental aspect of the game they just played the other 38 minutes.  Getting to advance a ball not because you did anything athletic, or even anything at all except call a timeout.  Ugh.  Bad bad bad
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 12, 2019, 11:11:52 PM
I've watched the women a few times now, and they play like they don't have a coach.  They just run up and down, take the first shot they come across even if its a long 2 with plenty of shot clock.  They are solely reliant on their talent.  I get it I get it that FT % isn't high on the list of importance when it comes to winning or losing most times, but it absolutely was the biggest reason tonight.

This is the style they play with and it has venefitted them greatly for tge last two years. Dont come on here and say u dont watch them n the criticize tgeir style if play.  Makes u sound like a total idiot.  They lost the game by missing FTs.  Missed both on a tech n all 3 on a foul on a 3.  Additionally they lost their center and a top all time rebounding girl in Davenport.  Van klunen is very poor and Anderson should get more time imo.  Depaul doesnt control tge paint like that with Davenport in the game.  Natisha is POY but Davenport may have been their MVP
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 12, 2019, 11:13:28 PM
Thats first game I watched and why I asked the question.  Believe they had 4 point lead and each time they had the ball, they shot within like 10 seconds.  Then the coach wasted a timeout, which if they had, would have given them the ball at half court.  The airball was just embarrassing for the shooter, felt terrible for her.

Correct on that Krieger called two timeouts in a row with a minute left.  Blew her two remain in one crack.  Hurt them after the offensive tebound n then with 5 secs left.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 12, 2019, 11:15:09 PM
It's obvious the women's team has the "yips" just like the men's team does..both went on late season slides, both can't hold late leads...there's obviously demons in the Al somewhere that is inflicting both programs right now
Womans slide also while possibly their most important player blows a knee out 2-3 weeks ago
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Marquette Fan on March 13, 2019, 05:50:01 AM
This is the style they play with and it has venefitted them greatly for tge last two years. Dont come on here and say u dont watch them n the criticize tgeir style if play.  Makes u sound like a total idiot.  They lost the game by missing FTs.  Missed both on a tech n all 3 on a foul on a 3.  Additionally they lost their center and a top all time rebounding girl in Davenport.  Van klunen is very poor and Anderson should get more time imo.  Depaul doesnt control tge paint like that with Davenport in the game.  Natisha is POY but Davenport may have been their MVP

Davenport was very underrated in my opinion and many people did not realize her importance to the team.  They didn't really miss a beat at all when last year's BE POY and all-time leading scorer Allazia Blockton went down with an injury for 5 games but I knew it would be different when Davenport was lost for the season.  They have no other reliable post players this year.  If only McCoy could have played this year too.  But there's nothing that can be done about Davenport's injury or McCoy's illness - they have to go on with what they have.  Hopefully they can still make a run in the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: SaveOD238 on March 13, 2019, 07:07:31 AM
Davenport was very underrated in my opinion and many people did not realize her importance to the team.  They didn't really miss a beat at all when last year's BE POY and all-time leading scorer Allazia Blockton went down with an injury for 5 games but I knew it would be different when Davenport was lost for the season.  They have no other reliable post players this year.  If only McCoy could have played this year too.  But there's nothing that can be done about Davenport's injury or McCoy's illness - they have to go on with what they have.  Hopefully they can still make a run in the NCAA Tournament.

This team with a healthy Davenport, McCoy, and Blockton would have a legit shot at the Final Four. 
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: brewcity77 on March 13, 2019, 07:08:17 AM
I only saw the fourth quarter, but it was immediately evident how much they missed Davenport. DePaul was dominating the glass, especially on our defensive end. Sucks, guessing this means a 5-seed and playing on the road next week.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 13, 2019, 07:18:58 AM
Preach. I don't understand how that rule was ever created.


It creates more excitement at the end of games. 
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 13, 2019, 07:23:28 AM
I don’t understand how form 98% of the game it is a territorial game of advancing the ball past half court and shooting a basketball, but the last two minutes if you have a timeout, all of that is thrown away. 

For no other reason to make it exciting, but you have just disadvantaged the other team as a result.  We ‘re putting excitement over the fundamental aspect of the game they just played the other 38 minutes.  Getting to advance a ball not because you did anything athletic, or even anything at all except call a timeout.  Ugh.  Bad bad bad


OK maybe you should calm down a little.  Sports are entertaining.  This makes it more so.  Don't overthink it.

Sports do this all the time.  College football overtime.  Changes in NFL timing rules the last five minutes of the game.  NHL shootouts. 

In fact, I think this rule makes more sense because a team can advance the ball on a timeout after a made basket at anypoint of a game.  It isn't clock dependent. 
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: skianth16 on March 13, 2019, 08:53:36 AM

It creates more excitement at the end of games.

It would also be more exciting if they implemented pop-a-shot rules and all baskets were worth 2x at the end of a game, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

I can't think of any other sports that have gone this far to create offense with a rule change. Can you imagine the NFL advancing the ball for a called TO? Or the MLB offering a batter an extra strike or advancing a runner for a TO?

The rules of the game should be about improving the game, not the fans' experience, IMO. Bryce Harper commented on this topic this week and said something to the effect of "if you don't like the game, don't come watch it" when asked about proposed/planned rule changes intended to make the game faster to improve the fan experience.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Bocephys on March 13, 2019, 09:01:39 AM
It would also be more exciting if they implemented pop-a-shot rules and all baskets were worth 2x at the end of a game, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

I can't think of any other sports that have gone this far to create offense with a rule change. Can you imagine the NFL advancing the ball for a called TO? Or the MLB offering a batter an extra strike or advancing a runner for a TO?

The rules of the game should be about improving the game, not the fans' experience, IMO. Bryce Harper commented on this topic this week and said something to the effect of "if you don't like the game, don't come watch it" when asked about proposed/planned rule changes intended to make the game faster to improve the fan experience.

Does Bryce realize he doesn't get $300 million if no one comes?  Do you realize that?
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2019, 09:06:36 AM
I don’t understand how form 98% of the game it is a territorial game of advancing the ball past half court and shooting a basketball, but the last two minutes if you have a timeout, all of that is thrown away. 

For no other reason to make it exciting, but you have just disadvantaged the other team as a result.  We ‘re putting excitement over the fundamental aspect of the game they just played the other 38 minutes.  Getting to advance a ball not because you did anything athletic, or even anything at all except call a timeout.  Ugh.  Bad bad bad

Well, for 38 minutes, the refs can't look at replays. In the last 2 minutes, they can and do look at a bazillion replays, interrupting the flow of the game, giving teams free time-outs.

In the NFL, the clock runs after the ball goes out of bounds or incomplete passes ... until the last 5 minutes, when it is stopped after each of those plays.

In the PGA, the golfers play 18 straight holes. If it's tied after that, depending on the event, they play No. 18 and then go to No. 16 and then go who knows where to break the tie.

In the NHL, they play 5-on-5 ... until OT, when they go to 3-on-3 and ultimately to penalty shots. Except in the playoffs, where they just keep going 5-on-5.

In college football, overtime only vaguely resembles what took place during the first 60 minutes.

All kinds of examples of rules that "change" near the end of games. You might not like any of those rules and think they're all bad bad bad, but it's pretty common to have "different" rules for end-of-game situations.

And advancing the ball with timeouts in the last 2 minutes certainly hasn't hurt the NBA product. Many would argue it has enhanced it.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 13, 2019, 09:07:24 AM
It would also be more exciting if they implemented pop-a-shot rules and all baskets were worth 2x at the end of a game, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

I can't think of any other sports that have gone this far to create offense with a rule change. Can you imagine the NFL advancing the ball for a called TO? Or the MLB offering a batter an extra strike or advancing a runner for a TO?

The rules of the game should be about improving the game, not the fans' experience, IMO. Bryce Harper commented on this topic this week and said something to the effect of "if you don't like the game, don't come watch it" when asked about proposed/planned rule changes intended to make the game faster to improve the fan experience.


The NFL stops the clock in situations during the last five minutes of the game when they don't otherwise do so.  The NFL also creates an extra timeout at the end of games.  Both of these help the offense.

And the NBA to halfcourt rule actually pre-dates both.  In doing research on the rule, it actually has been on the NBA books for decades.  At least 50 years.  So it is an integral part of the NBA game.

And if you don't like it, don't watch it.  Stick with baseball and its 3.5 hour games.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2019, 09:08:47 AM
Can you imagine the NFL advancing the ball for a called TO? Or the MLB offering a batter an extra strike or advancing a runner for a TO? 

Well, I can imagine the NFL someday going to a rule similar to college football, where the ball is "advanced" to the 25-yard line (or some other yard line) in OT.

And I can imagine MLB someday starting extra innings with a runner on second base. Indeed, they are talking about doing just that. Might never happen, but it's under consideration.

Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Cheeks on March 13, 2019, 09:52:53 AM

It creates more excitement at the end of games.

Excitement over logic and rules that govern the game the first 95% of the action...... incredibly illogical.

Next week the NFL will say any kickoff received in the last two minutes, if you have a timeout you get to take the ball at the 50 yard line for doing absolutely nothing.  Just because we want it exciting. 
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Cheeks on March 13, 2019, 09:59:43 AM

OK maybe you should calm down a little.  Sports are entertaining.  This makes it more so.  Don't overthink it.

Sports do this all the time.  College football overtime.  Changes in NFL timing rules the last five minutes of the game.  NHL shootouts. 

In fact, I think this rule makes more sense because a team can advance the ball on a timeout after a made basket at anypoint of a game.  It isn't clock dependent.

Sports is also about competition and this stupid rule literally penalizes a team for scoring late in the game vs scoring any other time in the game.

College football overtime gives BOTH teams access, this dumb basketball rule benefits the team with the ball and a timeout, not both teams equally...it is fundamentally unfair on that premise alone.

Pro football timing changes does not give you a territorial advantage, that is the key so again your example is poor.  Football, basketball, they are games largely dictated by territory.  It is easier to score closer to rim than farther away...when you allow advancement of territory at no cost, that is a huge advantage.

Third attempt...NHL example...again poor.  Both teams are in same situation like college football OT.  Not the case with this basketball rule in which ONLY one team benefits based on possession and time. 

The NBA rule says only last two minutes can this rule be applied if I recall correctly.  I’d love to know what the sham version is for the NCAA. 

Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 13, 2019, 10:21:17 AM
Not the case with this basketball rule in which ONLY one team benefits based on possession and time. 

I don't have a strong opinion either way on this, but I don't believe this is correct. Both teams can take advantage of this rule in the last two minutes.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: CTWarrior on March 13, 2019, 02:43:23 PM
This is the style they play with and it has venefitted them greatly for tge last two years. Dont come on here and say u dont watch them n the criticize tgeir style if play.  Makes u sound like a total idiot.  They lost the game by missing FTs.  Missed both on a tech n all 3 on a foul on a 3.  Additionally they lost their center and a top all time rebounding girl in Davenport.  Van klunen is very poor and Anderson should get more time imo.  Depaul doesnt control tge paint like that with Davenport in the game.  Natisha is POY but Davenport may have been their MVP
I've watched maybe 8-10 times in the last three years and I get that impression every time, including the times they won by 30.  I obviously don't watch as much as many others like Marquette Fan, but their offense seems to be beat the other team down the court and failing that break them down one on one and take the first shot you can get without searching for a better one.  Its an effective style when you have superior talent (last night when DePaul was coming back MU made some very tough 2s early in the shot clock which is why it feels like they are very reliant on their talent), but no so much when the talent is more even, IMO.  Just giving my impressions fully realizing I may be wrong.  But I've never watched them and thought otherwise.

They reminded me of those super athletic Tennessee teams when Pearl coached.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Cheeks on March 13, 2019, 02:52:47 PM

The NFL stops the clock in situations during the last five minutes of the game when they don't otherwise do so.  The NFL also creates an extra timeout at the end of games.  Both of these help the offense.

And the NBA to halfcourt rule actually pre-dates both.  In doing research on the rule, it actually has been on the NBA books for decades.  At least 50 years.  So it is an integral part of the NBA game.

And if you don't like it, don't watch it.  Stick with baseball and its 3.5 hour games.  Enjoy!

In all your silly examples BOTH teams are equally impacted.  In this dumb rule you love, one team is negatively impacted.  That’s the difference.  The two dumbest rules in all of sports are because they aren’t fair rules...

NFL OT and the NBA advance the  ball past the half.  In both cases a team is out at a disadvantage for doing nothing wrong....losing a coin flip (NFL) or in the NBA situation, having the audacity to score late in a game by going FULL COURT and being rewarded for that so the other team only has to go half court to respond...think about how unnatural carnal knowledgeing stupid that is.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: CTWarrior on March 13, 2019, 02:56:01 PM
In all your silly examples BOTH teams are equally impacted.  In this dumb rule you love, one team is negatively impacted.  That’s the difference.  The two dumbest rules in all of sports are because they aren’t fair rules...

NFL OT and the NBA advance the  ball past the half.  In both cases a team is out at a disadvantage for doing nothing wrong....losing a coin flip (NFL) or in the NBA situation, having the audacity to score late in a game by going FULL COURT and being rewarded for that so the other team only has to go half court to respond...think about how unnatural carnal knowledgeing stupid that is.

I agree with Cheeks on this one.  It is a rule change designed to increase excitement, but it definitely puts one team at a disadvantage.  A rule that is intentionally unfair probably shouldn't be a rule.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 13, 2019, 03:14:30 PM
In all your silly examples BOTH teams are equally impacted.  In this dumb rule you love, one team is negatively impacted.  That’s the difference.


That’s not true. In both cases the rules are changed to benefit the offense over the defense.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2019, 04:18:33 PM
Thirty seconds left. I call time-out. My team gets to advance the ball.

We score with 11 seconds left. The opponent calls time-out. They get to advance the ball.

Way more fair than the NFL's OT rule, in which the team that loses the coin flip might never touch the football.

But I think if one of us screams like Bill Walton how HORRIBLE the rule is, it will probably get changed.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Marquette Fan on March 13, 2019, 06:19:46 PM
I've watched maybe 8-10 times in the last three years and I get that impression every time, including the times they won by 30.  I obviously don't watch as much as many others like Marquette Fan, but their offense seems to be beat the other team down the court and failing that break them down one on one and take the first shot you can get without searching for a better one.  Its an effective style when you have superior talent (last night when DePaul was coming back MU made some very tough 2s early in the shot clock which is why it feels like they are very reliant on their talent), but no so much when the talent is more even, IMO.  Just giving my impressions fully realizing I may be wrong.  But I've never watched them and thought otherwise.

They reminded me of those super athletic Tennessee teams when Pearl coached.

For what it's worth, I thought Hiedeman jacked up some of her 3's a little too quickly last night.  But part of that may be because she was kind of off last night - if a number of those shots go in, I don't really think about how quickly those shots are put up.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Cheeks on March 13, 2019, 07:02:46 PM
Thirty seconds left. I call time-out. My team gets to advance the ball.

We score with 11 seconds left. The opponent calls time-out. They get to advance the ball.

Way more fair than the NFL's OT rule, in which the team that loses the coin flip might never touch the football.

But I think if one of us screams like Bill Walton how HORRIBLE the rule is, it will probably get changed.

3 seconds left, your team scores to go up one point.  You had to go 94 feet, you ran a play, it was successful. You've played this way for the entire game, but now we decide your opponent can call a timeout and not have to go 94 feet, instead they have to go about 28 feet, meaning one pass and a legitimate shot. 

The rule, according to the NCAA, only applies in the last 59.9 seconds.  So for 97.5% of the game, you have to go 94 feet to score, but for the last 59.9 seconds through no competitive action of your own, no athletic play, not even inbounding the ball...you get to move up territory by 67 feet, or otherwise stated...a 70% territorial advantage for doing what?  Calling a timeout.

Note, you can't do this at the end of the first quarter, not the end of the half, not the end of the third quarter...only the 4th quarter or overtime.

Mike,your team had to go 94 feet and succeeded.  You should be rewarded as you have the entire game from a defensive perspective in making them go 94 feet to respond, but now they have only 28 feet to go.  Only because they had a timeout.  That's the only reason. It's a scam for "exciting" finishes, and changed the dynamic of which the game was played for the first 39 minutes. A total scam.

Preposterous rule that is not equitable and harms one team. 

"During the last 59.9 seconds of the game (fourth period or any extra period) when the team in control of the ball, or the team who is to be awarded a throw-in in their backcourt, is granted a timeout, the team will have the option to move the throw-in spot to the 28-foot line in the frontcourt on the same side of the playing court as the scorers’ table."
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Cheeks on March 13, 2019, 07:05:04 PM
I don't have a strong opinion either way on this, but I don't believe this is correct. Both teams can take advantage of this rule in the last two minutes.

Yes, both can take advantage of it, but that's not how it is used in game settings. That's my point.  Why do we say after every made bucket or defensive rebound in the first 39 minutes you need to dribble or pass it up the length of the court, but only the last 59.9 seconds you don't?  It's a scam. I pray they don't bring this sad rule to men's college hoops. 
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 13, 2019, 07:59:33 PM
Why do they only use replay in the last few minutes? Why does the clock run after incomplete passes in the NFL except at the end of a half? The "rule is different the rest of the game" argument doesn't sway me much. Neither does the "it only benefits one team" argument since unless one team controls the ball for the last two minutes, both teams can take advantage of the rule.

Again, I don't have a strong feeling either way. Overtime in the NFL? Strong feeling. Fumble in the end zone goes to the defending team? Strong feeling. This I could take or leave.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2019, 09:47:29 PM


Mike,your team had to go 94 feet and succeeded.

And I knew the rule going in. And maybe next time I will benefit from it.

I don't get bent out of shape about something I can't control. Kind of the way Davidson couldn't control Buzz getting a free time out while the refs looked at replays with a few seconds left in the 2013 NCAAs. We were out of time-outs but Buzz got to take his time and draw up the winning play. One team benefited at the expense of the other. That's life in the big city. Don't like it, go be an undertaker, a nuclear physicist or a bible salesman.

But I do appreciate your concern for my team, chicos.
Title: Re: Women in Big East Championship
Post by: Bocephys on March 14, 2019, 05:11:49 AM
3 seconds left, your team scores to go up one point.  You had to go 94 feet, you ran a play, it was successful. You've played this way for the entire game, but now we decide your opponent can call a timeout and not have to go 94 feet, instead they have to go about 28 feet, meaning one pass and a legitimate shot. 

The rule, according to the NCAA, only applies in the last 59.9 seconds.  So for 97.5% of the game, you have to go 94 feet to score, but for the last 59.9 seconds through no competitive action of your own, no athletic play, not even inbounding the ball...you get to move up territory by 67 feet, or otherwise stated...a 70% territorial advantage for doing what?  Calling a timeout.

Note, you can't do this at the end of the first quarter, not the end of the half, not the end of the third quarter...only the 4th quarter or overtime.

Mike,your team had to go 94 feet and succeeded.  You should be rewarded as you have the entire game from a defensive perspective in making them go 94 feet to respond, but now they have only 28 feet to go.  Only because they had a timeout.  That's the only reason. It's a scam for "exciting" finishes, and changed the dynamic of which the game was played for the first 39 minutes. A total scam.

Preposterous rule that is not equitable and harms one team. 

"During the last 59.9 seconds of the game (fourth period or any extra period) when the team in control of the ball, or the team who is to be awarded a throw-in in their backcourt, is granted a timeout, the team will have the option to move the throw-in spot to the 28-foot line in the frontcourt on the same side of the playing court as the scorers’ table."

All game, you get 30 full seconds to get off a shot, but, at the end of the game, sometimes they turn that clock off and make one team adhere to a completely different clock!  It's inequitable and not fair.