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Title: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Pakuni on April 03, 2020, 11:50:47 AM
Per Ben Steele

 Ben Steele @BenSteeleMJS
Marquette is hiring Justin Gainey as an assistant coach. He was director of basketball operations for #mubb from 2014-17. Gainey was at Arizona the last two seasons.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 03, 2020, 11:51:43 AM
Bringing him back from Arizona is a nice move.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: wadesworld on April 03, 2020, 11:53:07 AM
Was he an assistant or DOBO at Arizona?

Welcome back. Talk Nico into skipping the draft and bring him with you please.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on April 03, 2020, 11:53:42 AM
Nice, got the Arizona & west coast connection back with a known commodity
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Pakuni on April 03, 2020, 11:54:32 AM
Was he an assistant or DOBO at Arizona?

Welcome back. Talk Nico into skipping the draft and bring him with you please.

Assistant.
https://arizonawildcats.com/news/2018/5/30/mens-basketball-justin-gainey-named-assistant-basketball-coach.aspx?path=mten
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: muguru on April 03, 2020, 11:58:15 AM
Meh
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 03, 2020, 12:00:25 PM
Meh


We get it.  You would have only been happy with John Calipari.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: muguru on April 03, 2020, 12:03:49 PM

We get it.  You would have only been happy with John Calipari.
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1000% untrue...But thanks for using hyperbole. This just feels "lazy" go with someone known, instead of potentially finding the biggest fish you possibly can. Maybe he kills it, and I hope he does, but someone more experienced with deep National recruiting ties was my preference. This is like a bunt single hire
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 03, 2020, 12:07:39 PM
They looked elsewhere.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: IrwinFletcher on April 03, 2020, 12:12:40 PM
A thread with great insight has been on BrewCity Ball for those interested along with details of who they pursued.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Pakuni on April 03, 2020, 12:13:21 PM
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1000% untrue...But thanks for using hyperbole. This just feels "lazy" go with someone known, instead of potentially finding the biggest fish you possibly can. Maybe he kills it, and I hope he does, but someone more experienced with deep National recruiting ties was my preference. This is like a bunt single hire

Who would you have preferred? Name some names.

Interesting side note ... Gainey was the lead recruiter at Santa Clara for highly sought transfer Trey Wertz.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: muguru on April 03, 2020, 12:13:42 PM
They looked elsewhere.

I'm aware Fluffy...but I'd be willing to bet thousands of $$$ they didn't look at some of the top assistants in the country. Wanna take that bet?? As far as I know, they looked into one other guy, after that fell through they did the easy thing and hired Gainey. It's really that simple...to think it wasn't, is being naïve.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 03, 2020, 12:16:42 PM
I'm aware Fluffy...but I'd be willing to bet thousands of $$$ they didn't look at some of the top assistants in the country. Wanna take that bet?? As far as I know, they looked into one other guy, after that fell through they did the easy thing and hired Gainey. It's really that simple...to think it wasn't, is being naïve.


No actually you are being simple.  I am sure Wojo had a number of inquires from others.  How far he took some of those inquires, who knows?  And you don't either.

So your little bet really can't be provded anyway.

Just another thing for you to bitch about.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: 🏀 on April 03, 2020, 12:17:46 PM
I'm aware Fluffy...but I'd be willing to bet thousands of $$$ they didn't look at some of the top assistants in the country. Wanna take that bet?? As far as I know, they looked into one other guy, after that fell through they did the easy thing and hired Gainey. It's really that simple...to think it wasn't, is being naïve.

But the one guy is a top assistant, so.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: dad's couch on April 03, 2020, 12:41:06 PM
Guru. Since you are the basketball genius on this board. Please tell me Gainey's salary at MU and how it compares to the "top assistants" you wish we've gone after. And tell me how you know any of them would have even come. You know the answers so please share.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Herman Cain on April 03, 2020, 12:51:51 PM
Justin is an excellent hire. Knows the program which is a plus.  He is a well respected assistant  who has gone back to work again for coaches where he had prior relationships three times now. That demonstrates that Head Coaches like what Justin brings to the table.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: marqfan22 on April 03, 2020, 12:56:47 PM
Is it normal to have two associate heavy coaches? (Killings being the other)
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 03, 2020, 12:58:20 PM
Is it normal to have two associate heavy coaches? (Killings being the other)

It's fine.  It's just a title.  Both report to Wojo.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Oldgym on April 03, 2020, 01:05:35 PM
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1000% untrue...But thanks for using hyperbole.

God I love this place.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: BCHoopster on April 03, 2020, 01:12:06 PM
He recruited for high level kids at Arizona, he now has experience.  Not a bad hire, lets see what he can do!
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 03, 2020, 01:13:46 PM
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1000% untrue...But thanks for using hyperbole. This just feels "lazy" go with someone known, instead of potentially finding the biggest fish you possibly can. Maybe he kills it, and I hope he does, but someone more experienced with deep National recruiting ties was my preference. This is like a bunt single hire

Guru, it is in your best interest for a litany of reasons to come to the realization that Marquette is never going to be a top 5 program. 

(ducks)
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: JoeSmith1721 on April 03, 2020, 01:16:53 PM
God I love this place.

I've told you a million times not to exaggerate!
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: BCHoopster on April 03, 2020, 01:18:11 PM
Guru, it is in your best interest for a litany of reasons to come to the realization that Marquette is never going to be a top 5 program. 

(ducks)

Agreed, Top 30 program yes, Top 5, do not see it unless Al walks through the door again, those days are over.  Wojo is not Al, Buzz was the closest, and Crean was
fortunate to get Wade and 3 kids from Wisconsin that were pretty darn good.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 03, 2020, 01:20:32 PM
Agreed, Top 30 program yes, Top 5, do not see it unless Al walks through the door again, those days are over.  Wojo is not Al, Buzz was the closest, and Crean was
fortunate to get Wade and 3 kids from Wisconsin that were pretty darn good.

Marquette is a great program..  Definitely top 25-30 type when you consider all program factors.  It will never be a blue blood, and that is fine.  Doesn't mean it can't be a really, really good program.  Its been just that since the move to the Big East.  But people like guru have standards that simply aren't realistic when your school is located in Milwaukee. 
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: lawdog77 on April 03, 2020, 01:28:01 PM
Is it normal to have two associate heavy coaches? (Killings being the other)
Lunctime pickup games and eating right should solve that
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 03, 2020, 01:49:03 PM
Lunctime pickup games and eating right should solve that

bingo!
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 03, 2020, 01:50:05 PM
Is it normal to have two associate heavy coaches? (Killings being the other)

Johnson and Nelson were both Associate Head Coaches at the same time.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 03, 2020, 01:54:22 PM
Meh

Agreed, who needs a coach who played PG in the ACC, and has been coaching PGs since?  And shouldn't we have gone for a third assistant with East Coast recruiting ties?
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: GB Warrior on April 03, 2020, 02:36:22 PM
Is it normal to have two associate heavy coaches? (Killings being the other)

Yes there will be a hunger games style fight to replace Wojo
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: monkeyman34 on April 03, 2020, 02:38:53 PM
I would be more excited about the hire if it was someone coming back from the staff after having success (if MU was actually winning tournament games during his previous time here), but seeing as there hasn't exactly been success under this current staff, I would have liked to see them bring someone in from outside of the "group" to try and bring in some new blood and new ideas.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 03, 2020, 02:42:39 PM
I would be more excited about the hire if it was someone coming back from the staff after having success (if MU was actually winning tournament games during his previous time here), but seeing as there hasn't exactly been success under this current staff, I would have liked to see them bring someone in from outside of the "group" to try and bring in some new blood and new ideas.


Like Dwayne Killings?  Like Stan Johnson?
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Markusquette on April 03, 2020, 03:04:49 PM
Like the hire. Seems like a nice replacement for Stan. And he holds up the recruiting in the west and southwest.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 03, 2020, 03:13:14 PM
Not hiring Chris Beard for this position shows how far Marquette has fallen.  Reanimate Al’s corpse now
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: MU82 on April 03, 2020, 03:34:10 PM
Interesting side note ... Gainey was the lead recruiter at Santa Clara for highly sought transfer Trey Wertz.

Fun fact: Wertz's dad covers high school sports for the Charlotte Observer. The dad had to write about the son quite often because the kid played on one of the state's best teams (Dotson, of Kansas, was a teammate). And generally, I thought he did a really good job of staying objective. That couldn't have been easy.

As for the choice of Gainey being the "easy" one ...

The "easiest" coaching choice at MU in the last several decades was promoting Buzz from assistant to head coach. That worked out horribly.

The hatred for Wojo is so deep in some that just about anything he does draws automatic criticism. When that's the case, there is zero credibility.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Viper on April 03, 2020, 04:08:44 PM
It appears to be a solid hire. He was a good player at NC State. Experienced coach coming back to familiar turf. AZ obviously liked him, which speaks well. He’ll help coach-up the guards.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: wadesworld on April 03, 2020, 04:46:34 PM
You’d think he’d know from experience that Wojo allows a toxic culture in his program and that the only thing keeping the program somewhat together it’s left for Southern California. Maybe he figured he’d fill those shoes.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: bilsu on April 03, 2020, 04:57:09 PM
I'm aware Fluffy...but I'd be willing to bet thousands of $$$ they didn't look at some of the top assistants in the country. Wanna take that bet?? As far as I know, they looked into one other guy, after that fell through they did the easy thing and hired Gainey. It's really that simple...to think it wasn't, is being naïve.
Why would top assistants in the country want to come to MU to take the second assistant position?
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 03, 2020, 05:01:16 PM
Why would top assistants in the country want to come to MU to take the second assistant position?


Gainey was hired as an associate coach.  Just like Killings.  I don't think they have an order.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: muguru on April 03, 2020, 05:24:53 PM
Why would top assistants in the country want to come to MU to take the second assistant position?

We can all assume the hottest girl in school won't go out with us, and that's probably fair...but unless you ask, you won't completely know for sure. And if you never ask and find out later on, she would have even though she was still with her old boyfriend at the time, you would regret it forever. If she says no, big deal, you were expecting her to. Nothing lost. You work down the list of hot girls until you have exhausted the list of hot chicks and have to move on to the average one's. They will always be there for you.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 03, 2020, 05:27:08 PM
We can all assume the hottest girl in school won't go out with us, and that's probably fair...but unless you ask, you won't completely know for sure. And if you never ask and find out later on, she would have even though she was still with her old boyfriend at the time, you would regret it forever. If she says no, big deal, you were expecting her to. Nothing lost. You work down the list of hot girls until you have exhausted the list of hot chicks and have to move on to the average one's. They will always be there for you.

Maybe hot girls say no to you
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: panda on April 03, 2020, 05:29:45 PM
Yep - It’s hard to hire someone out of your network when no one wants to work with you.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 03, 2020, 05:41:43 PM
Yep - It’s hard to hire someone out of your network when no one wants to work with you.

So how about them Badgers?
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on April 03, 2020, 06:26:21 PM
We can all assume the hottest girl in school won't go out with us, and that's probably fair...but unless you ask, you won't completely know for sure. And if you never ask and find out later on, she would have even though she was still with her old boyfriend at the time, you would regret it forever. If she says no, big deal, you were expecting her to. Nothing lost. You work down the list of hot girls until you have exhausted the list of hot chicks and have to move on to the average one's. They will always be there for you.
Some of us might have exhausted the hot chicks but it certainly wasn't from saying no
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 03, 2020, 06:54:57 PM
We just got an assistant from Sean Miller and Arizona - the only thing better would be to get one from Bill Self and Kansas!

Just win, baby!
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Pakuni on April 03, 2020, 07:32:07 PM
We just got an assistant from Sean Miller and Arizona - the only thing better would be to get one from Bill Self and Kansas!

Just win, baby!

Weird take from you.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 03, 2020, 09:02:02 PM
Weird take from you.

It was a joke. I’m sure Gainey is fine.

But I would suspect (if they’re the least bit consistent, lol) that some of our more holier than thou posters would have a problem hiring someone off of Sean Miller’s staff.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: keefe on April 04, 2020, 01:23:10 AM
We can all assume the hottest girl in school won't go out with us, and that's probably fair...but unless you ask, you won't completely know for sure. And if you never ask and find out later on, she would have even though she was still with her old boyfriend at the time, you would regret it forever. If she says no, big deal, you were expecting her to. Nothing lost. You work down the list of hot girls until you have exhausted the list of hot chicks and have to move on to the average one's. They will always be there for you.

The secret is to get the hot chick 20 years younger than you to say "yes"

Tall cotton
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: willie warrior on April 04, 2020, 06:21:57 AM
Per Ben Steele

 Ben Steele @BenSteeleMJS
Marquette is hiring Justin Gainey as an assistant coach. He was director of basketball operations for #mubb from 2014-17. Gainey was at Arizona the last two seasons.
bring back Wardle and dump wojo.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: lawdog77 on April 04, 2020, 06:34:41 AM
It was a joke. I’m sure Gainey is fine.

But I would suspect (if they’re the least bit consistent, lol) that some of our more holier than thou posters would have a problem hiring someone off of Sean Miller’s staff.
Well heck, our head coach  worked under Coach K, not exactly the best reputation. Our coach twice removed worked under Izzo. The whole darn sport is full of bad apples.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: dad's couch on April 04, 2020, 06:50:41 AM
Yep - It’s hard to hire someone out of your network when no one wants to work with you.

Let's see. Two assistants were named head coaches in less than a year. How many programs can say that?
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: muguru on April 04, 2020, 07:15:08 AM
bring back Wardle and dump wojo.

Some people's infatuation with Brian Wardle to be MU's next Coach is just baffling to me. Absolutely baffling.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 04, 2020, 07:23:15 AM
Some people's infatuation with Brian Wardle to be MU's next Coach is just baffling to me. Absolutely baffling.

Because he has been very successful.  Especially at Bradley which was in terrible shape before he got there.  And he's an alum.

I'm not saying I want him as MU's next coach, but it's easy to see why people would like him.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: muguru on April 04, 2020, 07:37:18 AM
Because he has been very successful.  Especially at Bradley which was in terrible shape before he got there.  And he's an alum.

I'm not saying I want him as MU's next coach, but it's easy to see why people would like him.

Sure he's been very successful...for the level he's been at. I just don't think he'd be able to recruit the level of players MU would need to be a consistent Big East contender. Lot different waters swimming with 2 and 3* players(and lower) that he gets at Bradley as opposed to the 4 and 5* guys he'd HAVE to be recruiting for MU.

I think the infatuation is for one reason only...the stability people think he'd bring. That's it.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 04, 2020, 07:44:45 AM
I completely agree with you.  And because of the nostalgia factor.

I wouldn't take him now either.  But if he takes Bradley to that next level - where success is constant and sustained - then I would be more interested.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: asdfasdf on April 04, 2020, 07:48:05 AM
The PAC 12 isn't as cash rich as the Big 10 or SEC, but they're at least on par with the Big East. And Arizona is probably one of the better paying PAC 12 schools. Being able to pluck an assistant coach from there is impressive, regardless of previous connections with Wojo.

Though maybe getting away from Sean Miller was Gaineys primary concern.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: asdfasdf on April 04, 2020, 08:24:42 AM
Here is a snippet from an article prior to the 2018-2019 season. Gainey's buyout expired on 4/1/20, hired at Marquette on 4/3/20.


"Gainey will be paid $290,000 annually and Peters $275,000 through the end of the 2019-20 season, according to contracts obtained by the Star through public records requests. The contracts are fully guaranteed, unless the assistants are fired for cause. Gainey and Peters must pay $50,000 buyouts if they leave voluntarily before April 2020. "
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Viper on April 04, 2020, 08:28:40 AM
We can all assume the hottest girl in school won't go out with us, and that's probably fair...but unless you ask, you won't completely know for sure. And if you never ask and find out later on, she would have even though she was still with her old boyfriend at the time, you would regret it forever. If she says no, big deal, you were expecting her to. Nothing lost. You work down the list of hot girls until you have exhausted the list of hot chicks and have to move on to the average one's. They will always be there for you.
Well said!!
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Viper on April 04, 2020, 08:33:48 AM
Some people's infatuation with Brian Wardle to be MU's next Coach is just baffling to me. Absolutely baffling.

Wardle will make you crap your shorts, and like it!
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: D'Lo Brown on April 04, 2020, 09:23:55 AM
Here is a snippet from an article prior to the 2018-2019 season. Gainey's buyout expired on 4/1/20, hired at Marquette on 4/3/20.


"Gainey will be paid $290,000 annually and Peters $275,000 through the end of the 2019-20 season, according to contracts obtained by the Star through public records requests. The contracts are fully guaranteed, unless the assistants are fired for cause. Gainey and Peters must pay $50,000 buyouts if they leave voluntarily before April 2020. "

WOW! I had no idea that assistants made this kind of money.

From what you've outlined here, makes it seem like he really wants to be at MU.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: muguru on April 04, 2020, 09:35:30 AM
WOW! I had no idea that assistants made this kind of money.

From what you've outlined here, makes it seem like he really wants to be at MU.

I actually think that's surprisingly low for a school like Arizona. he is undoubtedly making more at MU. Likely significantly more.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: asdfasdf on April 04, 2020, 11:19:38 AM
I actually think that's surprisingly low for a school like Arizona. he is undoubtedly making more at MU. Likely significantly more.

Maybe, I don't know. But I think a smart assistant coach would happily take a lateral move to get away from Sean Miller right now.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Elonsmusk on April 04, 2020, 11:23:11 AM
Let's see. Two assistants were named head coaches in less than a year. How many programs can say that?

I don't know.  But clearly, Wojo is a leader and groomer of men.  Stan and Brett would be nowhere, if not for the intellect, wisdom, and leadership of Steve.  Thank you for the reminder.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Pakuni on April 04, 2020, 11:28:31 AM
Maybe, I don't know. But I think a smart assistant coach would happily take a lateral move to get away from Sean Miller right now.

Gainey was hired at Arizona after the DeAndre Ayton stuff came out.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 04, 2020, 11:39:46 AM
I don't know.  But clearly, Wojo is a leader and groomer of men.  Stan and Brett would be nowhere, if not for the intellect, wisdom, and leadership of Steve.  Thank you for the reminder.


No need for the sarcasm.  He was simply stating a fact.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: asdfasdf on April 04, 2020, 01:11:48 PM
Gainey was hired at Arizona after the DeAndre Ayton stuff came out.

Right, I know that. I wasn't implying that Gainey was part of the Ayton scheme. Just that he might not want to stick around with Sean Miller to see how everything plays out. A lateral move to a more stable situation is probably appealing.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: 79Warrior on April 04, 2020, 01:26:47 PM
I actually think that's surprisingly low for a school like Arizona. he is undoubtedly making more at MU. Likely significantly more.

Based on what? Have you seen the salary schedules?
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Pakuni on April 04, 2020, 01:50:09 PM
Right, I know that. I wasn't implying that Gainey was part of the Ayton scheme. Just that he might not want to stick around with Sean Miller to see how everything plays out. A lateral move to a more stable situation is probably appealing.

I didn't mean to suggest you thought Gainey was involved with Ayton. Just pointing out that Gainey went to work for Miller after that all blew up (in fact, it appears Gainey was hired to replace Book Richardson), so he went in well aware of who he was working for and what might be coming down the pike.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: MU82 on April 04, 2020, 02:22:33 PM
Wojo is the worst! Never hires good assistant coaches!

Except for Stan.

And Killings.

And Nelson.

But otherwise, never!
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 04, 2020, 02:23:35 PM
Based on what? Have you seen the salary schedules?


I haven't seen the salary schedules, but I am fairly confident that Johnson made well north of that.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: muguru on April 04, 2020, 02:31:52 PM
Based on what? Have you seen the salary schedules?

You have to click through on this link...but the lowest of the top 10 paid assistants in CBB two years ago was Melvin Watkins at Arkansas at $373,481...the highest was Kenny Payne at Kentucky at $805,000.

https://fansided.com/2017/06/29/highest-paid-college-basketball-assistant-coaches-2016-17/10/
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Pakuni on April 04, 2020, 03:21:40 PM
You have to click through on this link...but the lowest of the top 10 paid assistants in CBB two years ago was Melvin Watkins at Arkansas at $373,481...the highest was Kenny Payne at Kentucky at $805,000.

https://fansided.com/2017/06/29/highest-paid-college-basketball-assistant-coaches-2016-17/10/

It's not surprising that the third assistant at Arizona wasn't close to being among the 10 highest paid assistants in the country.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: muguru on April 04, 2020, 03:35:16 PM
It's not surprising that the third assistant at Arizona wasn't close to being among the 10 highest paid assistants in the country.

That wasn't my point...someone in here said he was surprised assistants got paid that much. I said I thought they got more. I bet he's over $300,000 at MU.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: willie warrior on April 04, 2020, 04:33:14 PM
Some people's infatuation with Brian Wardle to be MU's next Coach is just baffling to me. Absolutely baffling.
Some people infatuation with Wojo as our head coach is not only baffling beyond belief, but is borderline insanity. Meltdown amplified every year. Take it to the bank.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: TedBaxter on April 04, 2020, 05:17:36 PM
Some people infatuation with Wojo as our head coach is not only baffling beyond belief, but is borderline insanity. Meltdown amplified every year. Take it to the bank.

And your clown show group that hijacks every thread and makes it against Wojo isn't insanity? 

I'll tell you what.  If you don't like what's going on, call Scholl and leave the boards until a new coach is in town. 
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Warrior-Eagle on April 04, 2020, 06:30:32 PM
And your clown show group that hijacks every thread and makes it against Wojo isn't insanity? 

I'll tell you what.  If you don't like what's going on, call Scholl and leave the boards until a new coach is in town.

+1000
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Pakuni on April 04, 2020, 06:31:58 PM
And your clown show group that hijacks every thread and makes it against Wojo isn't insanity? 

I'll tell you what.  If you don't like what's going on, call Scholl and leave the boards until a new coach is in town.

Same people.  Every thread.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: willie warrior on April 05, 2020, 02:11:12 PM
And your clown show group that hijacks every thread and makes it against Wojo isn't insanity? 

I'll tell you what.  If you don't like what's going on, call Scholl and leave the boards until a new coach is in town.
I'll tell you what. Take your court jester show to the BOT and you can all slurp this coach's abject mediocrity. Some of us expect a hell of a lot more than mediocrity.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: monkeyman34 on April 05, 2020, 02:35:54 PM

Like Dwayne Killings?  Like Stan Johnson?
How many games have Killings and Johnson helped us win in the NCAA tournament?
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: MU82 on April 05, 2020, 02:38:41 PM
How many games have Killings and Johnson helped us win in the NCAA tournament?

None. Ipso fatso, they must suck.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 05, 2020, 03:58:49 PM
I'll tell you what. Take your court jester show to the BOT and you can all slurp this coach's abject mediocrity. Some of us expect a hell of a lot more than mediocrity.

That’ll show, ‘em!  Have to imagine the University will fire him now after that post
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: brewcity77 on April 05, 2020, 05:40:37 PM
That’ll show, ‘em!  Have to imagine the University will fire him now after that post

willie with his best "I know you are but what am I" effort? Color me unsurprised.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Herman Cain on April 07, 2020, 12:28:48 AM
Sure he's been very successful...for the level he's been at. I just don't think he'd be able to recruit the level of players MU would need to be a consistent Big East contender. Lot different waters swimming with 2 and 3* players(and lower) that he gets at Bradley as opposed to the 4 and 5* guys he'd HAVE to be recruiting for MU.

I think the infatuation is for one reason only...the stability people think he'd bring. That's it.
College Coaches have consistently said its harder to recruit at the mid to low levels of D1. It is much easier to recruit at high majors .There was a good research report in this  a little while back on this and I will post if I can find.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: tower912 on April 07, 2020, 07:54:21 AM
Gainey coming back is a solid hire.   If he had never worked at MU before, his resume would be what MU is looking for.   The fact that he is familiar with MU, comfortable with Wojo, and wanted to come back is great.   
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: swoopem on April 07, 2020, 08:25:33 AM
Gainey coming back is a solid hire.   If he had never worked at MU before, his resume would be what MU is looking for.   The fact that he is familiar with MU, comfortable with Wojo, and wanted to come back is great.

Really? His resume is what they would be looking for? 2 years as an assistant and that justifies associate head coach? At this pace he’ll be an NBA coach in no time

Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: tower912 on April 07, 2020, 08:33:19 AM
No, as a replacement for Stan.   Oy.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: panda on April 07, 2020, 08:38:07 AM
Gainey coming back is a solid hire.   If he had never worked at MU before, his resume would be what MU is looking for.   The fact that he is familiar with MU, comfortable with Wojo, and wanted to come back is great.

That’s an extremely positive spin on the hire.

The extremely negative spin would be that working for Wojo is not a very desirable position and he had a hard time finding someone outside of his immediate network.

The truth is somewhere in between.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: tower912 on April 07, 2020, 08:40:07 AM
Positive spin is what I do.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 07, 2020, 08:43:13 AM
That’s an extremely positive spin on the hire.

The extremely negative spin would be that working for Wojo is not a very desirable position and he had a hard time finding someone outside of his immediate network.

The truth is somewhere in between.

Marquette luring away an assistant from a program like Arizona is only a positive thing.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 07, 2020, 08:53:29 AM
That’s an extremely positive spin on the hire.

The extremely negative spin would be that working for Wojo is not a very desirable position and he had a hard time finding someone outside of his immediate network.

The truth is somewhere in between.

Uh...he hired Stan and Dwayne from outside his network.


Marquette luring away an assistant from a program like Arizona is only a positive thing.

Yeah no kidding.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: tower912 on April 07, 2020, 08:54:10 AM
And an established experienced assistant coach wanted to come back.   From my perspective, it takes more logical gymnastics to spin it negatively.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: panda on April 07, 2020, 09:08:10 AM
Marquette luring away an assistant from a program like Arizona is only a positive thing.

Not my opinion. I simply stated the two ends of the spectrum.

Personally I think it was a safe hire which is perfectly fine in the given climate.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: MU82 on April 07, 2020, 09:19:27 AM
We have some talented pretzels here on Scoop -- able to twist themselves in all kinds of knots to make bringing back Gainey a huge negative.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: dad's couch on April 07, 2020, 09:30:33 AM
As I said before. What program has had 2 assistants get head coaching jobs in less than a year? I agree some candidates may not have been interested because of the pandemic. It's not because coming here is a dead end. Gainey has SW and West ties and that was Stan's territory so it's a perfect fit.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: jesmu84 on April 07, 2020, 10:40:51 AM
My god.

Some of you cannot truly be MU fans.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: asdfasdf on April 07, 2020, 10:41:14 AM
Really? His resume is what they would be looking for? 2 years as an assistant and that justifies associate head coach? At this pace he’ll be an NBA coach in no time

Gainey had more than 2 years of experience as an assistant coach prior to his re-hire at Marquette.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: MU82 on April 07, 2020, 10:45:33 AM
My god.

Some of you cannot truly be MU fans.

Yep. And some of them are the same folks who think MU should have hired Chris Beard -- whose only season as a D1 coach was at a low-major.

They must have totally flipped out when our administration hired Buzz to replace Crean.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: wadesworld on April 07, 2020, 02:54:51 PM
My god.

Some of you cannot truly be MU fans.

Oh boy. The pitch forks might be coming out in full force here...
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: willie warrior on April 08, 2020, 02:43:53 PM
willie with his best "I know you are but what am I" effort? Color me unsurprised.
Color you clueless. You totally missed the responses point. But that is not unusual for you.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Doo on April 08, 2020, 10:06:09 PM
Really? His resume is what they would be looking for? 2 years as an assistant and that justifies associate head coach? At this pace he’ll be an NBA coach in no time
I think Gainey has a better resume than Stan did when he was hired.  Gainey played at NC State, then spent 3 years on NCST staff, 1 Yr as Asst. at Elon, 4 Yrs at App. State as an Asst, 3 Yrs at MU, then 1 Yr at Santa Clara & 2 Years at Arizona as an Asst at both. 

Stan played at So. Utah & Bemidji, 4 Yrs Asst Coach at D2 Bemidji & SW Baptist.  Asst. Coach  1 Yr Cal Northridge, 3 Yrs Utah, 2 Years Drake & 2 Yrs ASU.

Coming into the MU job Justin’s resume is as good or better than Stan’s was when he was hired.  Your “2 years as an assistant” is way off the mark.   
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: shoothoops on April 09, 2020, 08:14:11 AM
I think Gainey has a better resume than Stan did when he was hired.  Gainey played at NC State, then spent 3 years on NCST staff, 1 Yr as Asst. at Elon, 4 Yrs at App. State as an Asst, 3 Yrs at MU, then 1 Yr at Santa Clara & 2 Years at Arizona as an Asst at both. 

Stan played at So. Utah & Bemidji, 4 Yrs Asst Coach at D2 Bemidji & SW Baptist.  Asst. Coach  1 Yr Cal Northridge, 3 Yrs Utah, 2 Years Drake & 2 Yrs ASU.

Coming into the MU job Justin’s resume is as good or better than Stan’s was when he was hired.  Your “2 years as an assistant” is way off the mark.   

Just follow Herb Sendek.

Stan was an assistant to Mark Phelps at Drake. Phelps was an assistant to Sendek. Stan was an assistant to Sendek at Arizona St.

Gainey played for Sendek and worked under him there as well. Gainey was an assistant for Sendek at Santa Clara. Gainey was an advisor for Sean Miller at Arizona. Miller was an assistant for Sendek at North Carolina St. where Gainey played for Sendek. Sendek was also an assistant under Miller at Arizona.

Phelps was an assistant at MU with Stan.



Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 09, 2020, 08:19:37 AM
Just follow Herb Sendek.

Stan was an assistant to Mark Pelphrey at Drake. Pelphrey was an assistant to Sendek. Stan was an assistant to Sendek at Arizona St.

Gainey played for Sendek and worked under him there as well. Gainey was an assistant for Sendek at Santa Clara. Gainey was an assistant for Sean Miller at Arizona. Miller was an assistant for Sendek at North Carolina St. where Gainey played for Sendek. Sendek was also an assistant under Miller at Arizona.

Pelphrey was an assistant at MU with Stan.


Two corrections.  It is Mark Phelps...not Pelphrey. 

And Sendek was never an assistant under Miller at Arizona.  Sendek has been a head coach continuously since 1993...with one year off between the ASU and Santa Clara jobs.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: shoothoops on April 09, 2020, 08:33:40 AM

Two corrections.  It is Mark Phelps...not Pelphrey. 

And Sendek was never an assistant under Miller at Arizona.  Sendek has been a head coach continuously since 1993...with one year off between the ASU and Santa Clara jobs.

Yep typo. And, Sendek was an advisor to Miller.  The overall point of course remains the same. They are all connected to Herb Sendek.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 09, 2020, 08:34:23 AM
Yep typo. And, Sendek was an advisor to Miller.

OK thanks.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Pakuni on April 09, 2020, 01:11:48 PM
J-S story on Gainey returning.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2020/04/09/new-marquette-assistant-coach-justin-gainey-talks-why-he-took-job/2971879001/
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 09, 2020, 03:03:55 PM
Just follow Herb Sendek.

Stan was an assistant to Mark Phelps at Drake. Phelps was an assistant to Sendek. Stan was an assistant to Sendek at Arizona St.

Gainey played for Sendek and worked under him there as well. Gainey was an assistant for Sendek at Santa Clara. Gainey was an advisor for Sean Miller at Arizona. Miller was an assistant for Sendek at North Carolina St. where Gainey played for Sendek. Sendek was also an assistant under Miller at Arizona.

Phelps was an assistant at MU with Stan.

Phelps also an assistant under Miller. 
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: shoothoops on April 09, 2020, 04:15:28 PM
Phelps also an assistant under Miller.

Yep, and Miller, also was an assistant under Sendek at Miami (OH). The Millers and their dad and Sendek and his dad grew up and coached in Pittsburgh. Sendek goes to a camp where Rick Pitino is speaking and lands a grad assistant job at Providence, extends it a few more years and goes with Pitino to Kentucky. Then he lands Miami (OH) job where he hired Miller.




Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: Herman Cain on April 12, 2020, 09:39:49 PM
Excellent Video Interview with Justin Gainey

Among other things he points out his focus is on player development. A very important skill set to have in the program.

https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1248984623079702528
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: tower912 on April 13, 2020, 02:50:31 PM
He has 4 guards to develop.    The cupboard is not bare.   
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: 79Warrior on April 13, 2020, 06:57:55 PM
He has 4 guards to develop.    The cupboard is not bare.   

Backcourt littered with question marks.
Title: Re: MU brings back Justin Gainey as assistant coach
Post by: tower912 on April 13, 2020, 07:10:33 PM
Indeed.   And potential.   He claims his strength is in player development.    Develop the players.