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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Herman Cain on October 25, 2023, 01:09:14 PM
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Jeff Borzello with initial take on College Basketball Hot Seat Names. Seems like a lower number than in prior years at this time. Kenny Payne , Louisville , is one obvious choice. Ben Johnson,at Minnesota, should be feeling uncomfortable. Mike Hopkins at Washington as well.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/38681902/2024-men-college-basketball-coaching-hot-seat-preview-risk-next
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Jeff Borzello with initial take on College Basketball Hot Seat Names. Seems like a lower number than in prior years at this time. Kenny Payne , Louisville , is one obvious choice. Ben Johnson,at Minnesota, should be feeling uncomfortable. Mike Hopkins at Washington as well.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/38681902/2024-men-college-basketball-coaching-hot-seat-preview-risk-next
How Minnesota can’t have a respectable basketball program is a bigger mystery than the sleeping giant DePaul
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How Minnesota can’t have a respectable basketball program is a bigger mystery than the sleeping giant DePaul
Pretty sure they'll just make the easy choice this go around and hire Niko Medved.
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Pretty sure they'll just make the easy choice this go around and hire Niko Medved.
Well, after they call Billy Donovan
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How Minnesota can’t have a respectable basketball program is a bigger mystery than the sleeping giant DePaul
To be fair, he has to compete against Gard regularly for hometown recruits. 👀
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Well, after they call Billy Donovan
I know some people have thought Billy D would go back to college at some point, but he is unapologetically mailing in as Bulls coach. He has made huge money and doesn't appear to have any passion for coaching any more. I seriously doubt he has the energy for the college game. I see TV in his future.
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-coaching-hot-seat-five-coaches-who-may-need-a-good-season-in-2023-24-to-save-their-job/
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No Gard?
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No Gard?
Of course not. College basketball is a Gard's game!
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No Gard?
Gard got a 5 year extension in April 2023 until April 2028. I do not see UW moving on from Gard for a few years because they probably do not want to pay the buy out, hence why Gard probably did not make the list.
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Wonder how long Moser has before the seat gets hot?
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Gard got a 5 year extension in April 2023 until April 2028. I do not see UW moving on from Gard for a few years because they probably do not want to pay the buy out, hence why Gard probably did not make the list.
Or maybe part of the extension following missing the NCAA Tournament was lowering the buyout.
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Gard got a 5 year extension in April 2023 until April 2028. I do not see UW moving on from Gard for a few years because they probably do not want to pay the buy out, hence why Gard probably did not make the list.
Gard is basically on a rolling 5 year contract. A one year extension gets approved every year, at least until they decide to move on.
https://wisportsheroics.com/wisconsin-basketball-greg-gard-extension/ (https://wisportsheroics.com/wisconsin-basketball-greg-gard-extension/)
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Gard is basically on a rolling 5 year contract. A one year extension gets approved every year, at least until they decide to move on.
https://wisportsheroics.com/wisconsin-basketball-greg-gard-extension/ (https://wisportsheroics.com/wisconsin-basketball-greg-gard-extension/)
Interesting. Thanks for the clarification.
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Gard is basically on a rolling 5 year contract. A one year extension gets approved every year, at least until they decide to move on.
https://wisportsheroics.com/wisconsin-basketball-greg-gard-extension/ (https://wisportsheroics.com/wisconsin-basketball-greg-gard-extension/)
Badgers AD is now embracing NIL. If the Badger community can cough up the NIL funds , Gard will be able to source the talent he needs. However , he needs to keep posting winning seasons and get back in NCAA tournament. Otherwise the NIL underwriters will puah for a change .
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Badgers AD is now embracing NIL. If the Badger community can cough up the NIL funds , Gard will be able to source the talent he needs. However , he needs to keep posting winning seasons and get back in NCAA tournament. Otherwise the NIL underwriters will puah for a change .
I agree with this. That being said, if a top team other than Wisconsin is offering the same money NIL wise, does that recruit want to go play for Gard or someone like Nate Oates, Hurley, Shaka etc.? I think the answer is pretty clear.
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Gard is basically on a rolling 5 year contract. A one year extension gets approved every year, at least until they decide to move on.
https://wisportsheroics.com/wisconsin-basketball-greg-gard-extension/ (https://wisportsheroics.com/wisconsin-basketball-greg-gard-extension/)
Interesting. That's going to be a big buy out or an uncomfortable few years.
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Gard could have a Brinks truck full of NIL money at his disposal. But if you continue to go out on the recruiting trail and fall in love with guys like Klismet, Crowl, Gilmore, Wahl etc you're going to have trouble competing.
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So……. https://twitter.com/cbbcontent/status/1725366072549724424?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
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Gard could have a Brinks truck full of NIL money at his disposal. But if you continue to go out on the recruiting trail and fall in love with guys like Klismet, Crowl, Gilmore, Wahl etc you're going to have trouble competing.
With the coin they can try and get more Johnny Davis types.
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With the coin they can try and get more Johnny Davis types.
Think even higher - more Brad Davidsons.
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Think even higher - more Brad Davidsons.
That would be nuts.
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With the coin they can try and get more Johnny Davis types.
More 3-star local players with twin brothers that can't get D1 scholarships?
I don't think money is the reason Wisconsin isn't going to get top prospects. Maybe they'll be able to buy some, but ultimately I think most of the blue chip recruits (which Davis was decidedly not, despite how he turned out) are focused on playing at the next level and Wisconsin's style doesn't tend to get guys to the NBA. Sure, they'll get short term money, but the top recruits will be focused on long-term money, and Madison still isn't the place to go to get that.
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That would be nuts.
Nice.
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That would be nuts.
winner
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Mr. Stubblefield should be considered on The Hot Seat after The Blue Demons awful start to the season.
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Does the DePaul administration even realize that they still have a basketball team?
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Mr. Stubblefield should be considered on The Hot Seat after The Blue Demons awful start to the season.
Is there a seat to be hot or have they failed to pay for those too?
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Looked like there were plenty of good seats available last night. Not sure about temperature.
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Johnny Dawkins UCF team just lost to Stetson ( Deland Fl home of MU’s own Oliver Lee)
Their fan base is calling for his head. Inaugural season in the Big 12 could be ugly.
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Johnny Dawkins UCF team just lost to Stetson ( Deland Fl home of MU’s own Oliver Lee)
Their fan base is calling for his head. Inaugural season in the Big 12 could be ugly.
I don’t know what the expectations are like at UCF, but hes been AGGRESSIVELY mediocre in his time there. Only 1 NCAA in 8 years. Only 2 other NIT appearances. 6th or lower in the AAC the last 5 years. And only gonna get worse in the B12.
The trend of Stanford coaches cratering post-Stanford success continues…
Trent Johnson: 1 NCAA berth and fired twice at P6 schools in 10 seasons post-Stanford, has won 14 games total in the past 2 years at Cal-Northridge
Mike Montgomery: Excellent at Stanford, canon fodder at Golden State, goes to Cal, performs better than Johnson and Dawkins, but still only 2 NCAA wins in 7 years.
Jerod Haase probably gets fired this year but he’s been really mediocre in Palo Alto so he doesn’t really count. He won’t get a HC job straight away I don’t think
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I simply do not understand how or why DePaul cannot get their act together. Stubblefield is obviously the weakest coach in the BE and has no idea how to compete with the likes of Shaka, McDermott, Miller, Cooley, etc. But, they don't seem to have any real interest in changing the culture there.
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Mr. Stubblefield should be considered on The Hot Seat after The Blue Demons awful start to the season.
Going to have to work harder on the "Blue, Blue, Blue" defense.
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but they are a sleeping giant....
I simply do not understand how or why DePaul cannot get their act together. Stubblefield is obviously the weakest coach in the BE and has no idea how to compete with the likes of Shaka, McDermott, Miller, Cooley, etc. But, they don't seem to have any real interest in changing the culture there.
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I was shocked that they weren’t ranked when the polls came out today.
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It has been 23 years since DePaul last was ranked. That’s like being stuck in a perpetual Bob Dukiet era.
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It has been 23 years since DePaul last was ranked. That’s like being stuck in a perpetual Bob Dukiet era.
dang, that really puts it in perspective.
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Since joining the big east they did have one marginally kinda ok season in 2007 and arguably (by their standard) another when they didn't finish bottom two and made the CBI finals. What's weird is they just can't seem to build momentum with any of that. Each game seems like "eh let's toss the ball out there and see what happens"
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Cliff Ellis of Coastal Carolina is retiring today. He has been a head coach in D1 basketball since 1975 when he took the gig at South Alabama. He was Horace Grant's coach at Clemson, had a stop at Auburn, and has been at Coastal since 2007, but has been pretty meh for the last decade.
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https://bigredlouie.com/2023/12/11/louisville-loses-depaul-kenny-paynes-seat-smoking-hot/
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https://bigredlouie.com/2023/12/11/louisville-loses-depaul-kenny-paynes-seat-smoking-hot/
Kenny had better make sure his players have multiple different tights available to wear:
https://twitter.com/CBSSportsCBB/status/1730070609629962452
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https://bigredlouie.com/2023/12/11/louisville-loses-depaul-kenny-paynes-seat-smoking-hot/
Feels like UofL is riding out the storm for financial reasons. They are more serious about basketball than to let Payne even come back after last year.
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I assumed it was Heisie's latest.
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I assumed it was Heisie's latest.
Nah. This post had a less dubious link attached to it
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Kenny had better make sure his players have multiple different tights available to wear:
https://twitter.com/CBSSportsCBB/status/1730070609629962452
Is tights code word for strippers?
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Should be forwarded directly to Muggsy to incorporate into his 5-step plan.
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My knowledge of Cyrillic is suspect, but I don't see anything in there about The Darkness.
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Some minor rumors today is the end for Payne at UofL.
<of course, Shaka is on the fan's short list>
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How much longer does Stubs get at DePaul?
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How much longer does Stubs get at DePaul?
This post (rant) from a DePaul observer lays out the Dumpster fire case. My guess is he finishes out the year . They will have to pay up for a more accomplished coach and that remains to be seen.
https://www.reddit.com/r/depaul/comments/18d7q7l/depaul_mens_basketball_program_is_a_dumpster_fire/
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This post (rant) from a DePaul observer lays out the Dumpster fire case. My guess is he finishes out the year . They will have to pay up for a more accomplished coach and that remains to be seen.
https://www.reddit.com/r/depaul/comments/18d7q7l/depaul_mens_basketball_program_is_a_dumpster_fire/
Tom Crean, your table is ready.
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Tom Crean, you're table is ready.
4ever will be spamming DePaul Scoop
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Tom Crean, you're table is ready.
They'd be lucky to get him. They could become respectable.
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Crean sucks
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Tom Crean, you're table is ready.
This isnt an awful idea, tbh. "I recruited Dwyane Wade out of this neighborhood" could be a pretty good pitch in Chicago.
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This isnt an awful idea, tbh. "I recruited Dwyane Wade out of this neighborhood" could be a pretty good pitch in Chicago.
And turned Jerel McNeal into an AA. Dom James is from Chicago area as well. Honestly if I didn't enjoy creans occasional popping by MU and clapping for us I'd vote for him as DePaul.
If DePaul was serious about being a legit contender though they should probably go for Chris Mack.
Edit: though DJ was from NW Indiana for some reason. My bad!
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And turned Jerel McNeal into an AA. Dom James is from Chicago area as well. Honestly if I didn't enjoy creans occasional popping by MU and clapping for us I'd vote for him as DePaul.
If DePaul was serious about being a legit contender though they should probably go for Chris Mack.
DJ definitely not from Chicago area.
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Dominic James is from Richmond, Indiana.
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Typical East Coast bias. That and some Chicago folk think the entire Midwest is a suburb of Chicago.
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DJ definitely not from Chicago area.
My bad I thought he was from Hammond or somewhere like that.
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Typical East Coast bias. That and some Chicago folk think the entire Midwest is a suburb of Chicago.
Not just the Midwest, NYC, LA, Mexico City and Toronto all are just exurbs of Chicago
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If DePaul ever was truly serious about Men's hoops they would back up a Brinks truck for Porter Moser. He doesn't rely on top end recruiting and would have the program in NCAA tourney shape in 3 years or less. Unfortunately they aren't actually serious about Men's hoops.
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Typical East Coast bias. That and some Chicago folk think the entire Midwest is a suburb of Chicago.
I was taught that in school in a Chicago burb.
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I first heard that during freshman orientation, August,1984.
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If DePaul ever was truly serious about Men's hoops they would back up a Brinks truck for Porter Moser. He doesn't rely on top end recruiting and would have the program in NCAA tourney shape in 3 years or less. Unfortunately they aren't actually serious about Men's hoops.
Moser won’t leave Oklahoma for DePaul.
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Moser won’t leave Oklahoma for DePaul.
Sleeping giant. Don’t be surprised
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DePaul has likely reached the point where it is difficult to attract a proven high-major coach like Chris Mack. They are probably in the area now where you have to take a chance on a guy who has been coaching at a mid-major. But, that can work out really well sometimes - i.e. Dennis Gates at Missouri. But, they first have to make up their minds to actually try to improve the program.
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Moser won’t leave Oklahoma for DePaul.
1 or 2 rich alumni willing to double his pay would probably do it. All it takes is selling 1 or 2, like when people thought we couldn't afford Wojo's buyout. Wouldn't have to be Moser exactly though, just someone of that ilk (who doesn't rely on recruiting success to have success, implements a system that lower rated guys can grow into over time). Which I guess begs the question of why this mythical DePaul alum(ni) hasn't done something like that yet. I'm talking selfishly here, I live walking distance from Wintrust and would kill to have some decent convenient local hoops option but that place is a morgue currently, very depressing. And for the sake of long-suffering DePaul fans I know (yes they exist lol!) I just want to see them in the tournament at least once this generation. They're going nowhere fast though, gotta cut bait with the current regime.
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I could see Wardle being a candidate.
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I could see Wardle being a candidate.
He’s lost 4 straight, including a home loss to Cleveland State.
Now, I’d love to see him there and go 2-0 against Marquette just to read Willie’s posts
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Weren't Gates and Moser candidates when Stub was hired? They both ran for the hills, iirc.
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Weren't Gates and Moser candidates when Stub was hired? They both ran for the hills, iirc.
were they offered the peanuts package Stubbs got (with commensurate returns on their being so cheap)?
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I could see Wardle being a candidate.
Wut, he is waiting for Shaka to leave.
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Josh Schertz (Indiana State coach) makes sense for DePaul.
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Josh Schertz (Indiana State coach) makes sense for DePaul.
Or Rashon Bruno at NIU.
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DePaul has likely reached the point where it is difficult to attract a proven high-major coach like Chris Mack. They are probably in the area now where you have to take a chance on a guy who has been coaching at a mid-major. But, that can work out really well sometimes - i.e. Dennis Gates at Missouri. But, they first have to make up their minds to actually try to improve the program.
This is exactly it. They shouldn't be thinking about "being serious about competing." There are steps. They need to be serious about not being absolute garbage, and about injecting some energy into the program. Crean isn't the guy, but what Crean was when he was hired by MU is what they should be looking for. A young energetic salesman. Someone who worked as an assistant at a successful power 5 program and then has had some success at the mid or low major level as a head coach.
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Josh Schertz (Indiana State coach) makes sense for DePaul.
I like Schertz a lot, but I don't think DePaul makes sense for him. Not sure why he would sell himself short like that.
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This is exactly it. They shouldn't be thinking about "being serious about competing." There are steps. They need to be serious about not being absolute garbage, and about injecting some energy into the program. Crean isn't the guy, but what Crean was when he was hired by MU is what they should be looking for. A young energetic salesman. Someone who worked as an assistant at a successful power 5 program and then has had some success at the mid or low major level as a head coach.
I think that's what they thought they were getting with Stubblefield--maybe not the young part, but he was viewed as a successful assistant and recruiting whiz for Dana Altman at Oregon.
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Billy Donovan is in Chicago
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Billy Donovan is in Chicago
Win - Win for Chicago.
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This is exactly it. They shouldn't be thinking about "being serious about competing." There are steps. They need to be serious about not being absolute garbage, and about injecting some energy into the program. Crean isn't the guy, but what Crean was when he was hired by MU is what they should be looking for. A young energetic salesman. Someone who worked as an assistant at a successful power 5 program and then has had some success at the mid or low major level as a head coach.
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I respectfully disagree. They need an actual head coach and W's not a shot in the dark on a cheap assistant that has salesman traits. Wins would be such a shock to the system that they'd sell themselves
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I respectfully disagree. They need an actual head coach and W's not a shot in the dark on a cheap assistant that has salesman traits. Wins would be such a shock to the system that they'd sell themselves
A young, energetic mid-major coach. They aren’t going to get a seasoned coach unless it’s a Wainright or Purnell type.
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Billy Donovan is in Chicago
Gotta at least make a call, dontcha?
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ND sucks
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You would think that the nations largest catholic university would have some draw for a head coach. But their basketball has been so marginal for decades that there is that legacy to deal with.
Duke, a private school also has about 17500 students. DePaul n th8nknis around 24,000. But who wants to coach there?!
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I respectfully disagree. They need an actual head coach and W's not a shot in the dark on a cheap assistant that has salesman traits. Wins would be such a shock to the system that they'd sell themselves
Of course that’d be ideal. I just don’t think any proven coach is even answering that phone call.
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Tom Crean, your table is ready.
1. Unemployed for 2 seasons
2. Total failure at his last position (.208 conference winning % in his tenure, 1-17 his final season).
3. Turns 58 in March
Checks all the boxes.
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Crean has not been good for quite a while…. But he’d be better than the clown they currently have…
Duh Paul will lose 20+ games this year
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Crean has not been good for quite a while…. But he’d be better than the clown they currently have…
Duh Paul will lose 20+ games this year
20??? Big deal. The last team that TC coached lost 26 at the University of Georgia. The worst record (6-26) and most losses in the school’s history. Maybe he could set a similar record at DePaul - based on his trajectory it’s certainly possible.
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20??? Big deal. The last team that TC coached lost 26 at the University of Georgia. The worst record (6-26) and most losses in the school’s history. Maybe he could set a similar record at DePaul - based on his trajectory it’s certainly possible.
Cool! If DePaul cannot win games, let's see if they can find a coach who can lose all the games. Ewing showed the way in conference play '21-22'. I bet they could do it with half way decent non con opponents.
OK....agree that Crean is not the guy to resurrect DP. If they really want to become relevant, they will have to do it in stages, starting with a mid-major coach. Even with immediate transfers and probably upgrading to a coach from a major conference, the process could easily take 5 years or more.
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Of course that’d be ideal. I just don’t think any proven coach is even answering that phone call.
I mean like a Dennis Gates coming out of Cleveland State with actual proven head coaching success looking for a power conference shot not a career assistant like Wojo or Stubbs, even if he's an energetic salesman
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They need to find someone who can recruit the CPS for them. Oh, and some NIL money.
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They need to find someone who can recruit the CPS for them. Oh, and some NIL money.
CPS kids don’t stay home, it’s been that way for ages.
They’d be better off getting the kids from like Benet and such. Like take a look at that Glenbard West team, best team I’ve seen come through the state since those Proviso East teams and only one of those guys ended up at a high major.
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I mean like a Dennis Gates coming out of Cleveland State with actual proven head coaching success looking for a power conference shot not a career assistant like Wojo or Stubbs, even if he's an energetic salesman
Wades orginal statement:
“A young energetic salesman. Someone who worked as an assistant at a successful power 5 program and then has had some success at the mid or low major level as a head coach.”
Isn’t this Gates?
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Stubblefield out at DePaul
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Interim Coach: Dave Leitao
Just kidding... I hope.
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https://twitter.com/low_madness/status/1749511629773918659?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
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CPS kids don’t stay home, it’s been that way for ages.
They’d be better off getting the kids from like Benet and such. Like take a look at that Glenbard West team, best team I’ve seen come through the state since those Proviso East teams and only one of those guys ended up at a high major.
Did I miss something? I went to Benet and we were never great at basketball, I know kaminski went there after my time, but I wasn't aware we were getting consistent talent.
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https://twitter.com/low_madness/status/1749511629773918659?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Hurley would be interesting since I think he almost went there originally. Although, I thought they lowballed him.
I wonder if Wardle will get a look.
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Best Candidates for DePaul : Gregg Marshall, Huggy Bear, Will Wade ( if he wants to move up a level ) or any other scandal ridden but successful coach still out there. Match made in heaven for both Parties.
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Wainwright or eff em
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Best Candidates for DePaul : Gregg Marshall, Huggy Bear, Will Wade ( if he wants to move up a level ) or any other scandal ridden but successful coach still out there. Match made in heaven for both Parties.
Huggins could take over Chicago; unfortunately, he could also take over Rush Street.
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Stubblefield is gone,
The slumber is at an end.
Giant awaken!
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Awaken the sleeping giant and hire Brian Wardle
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Stubblefield is gone,
The slumber is at an end.
Giant awaken!
That's what they said about Pat Kennedy.
And Dave Leitao.
And Jerry Wainwright.
And Tracy Webster, for a little while.
And Oliver Purnell.
And Dave Leitao...again.
And Tony Stubblefield.
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Hiring a 70 year old Bob Huggins would be a terrible move. Plus I am pretty certain that they are going to have zero interest in anyone with baggage - so Marshall would be out as well.
Hurley would be interesting - DePaul is probably a good lifeline for him at this point.
Wonder if Bryce Drew would have any interest?
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That's what they said about Pat Kennedy.
And Dave Leitao.
And Jerry Wainwright.
And Tracy Webster, for a little while.
And Oliver Purnell.
And Dave Leitao...again.
And Tony Stubblefield.
Luke Getsy is available.
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Will Wade would make sense for a rebuild. If he does not take the Lville job.
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Hiring a 70 year old Bob Huggins would be a terrible move. Plus I am pretty certain that they are going to have zero interest in anyone with baggage - so Marshall would be out as well.
Hurley would be interesting - DePaul is probably a good lifeline for him at this point.
Wonder if Bryce Drew would have any interest?
Yeah, it won’t be Huggy Bear who besides being fired for being a drunk, is a drunk still.
Marshall won’t be hired either since he’s been accused of hitting assistants and players. Imagine recruiting against him.
Will Wade will get a lot of looks this year.
As for Bryce Drew, I’d rather coach Grand Canyon than DePaul, even with the Midwest roots.
The job is Brian Wardle’s. He’s going to sweep Marquette each season he’s there
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Yeah, it won’t be Huggy Bear who besides being fired for being a drunk, is a drunk still.
Marshall won’t be hired either since he’s been accused of hitting assistants and players. Imagine recruiting against him.
Will Wade will get a lot of looks this year.
As for Bryce Drew, I’d rather coach Grand Canyon than DePaul, even with the Midwest roots.
The job is Brian Wardle’s. He’s going to sweep Marquette each season he’s there
Grand Canyon is in a weird position as a school. I could see Drew making the move to a real school rather than a for-profit one.
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Of course DePaul does this right before we play them. We are the only game that matters and we are their Super Bowl. Sigh.
Tomorrow just got strangely more challenging.
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They definitely won't beat us tomorrow. But Wednesday got a little more interesting.
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Of course DePaul does this right before we play them. We are the only game that matters and we are their Super Bowl. Sigh.
Tomorrow just got strangely more challenging.
Yeah, there's no way we win tomorrow.
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Yeah, there's no way we win tomorrow.
Good one!
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It'd be a bummer if it's Wardle. I want DePaul to be good but I like being able to root for our alumni. Idk how Seton Hall fans do it with Hurley at UConn. Must drive them nuts.
I think the things that are important this go round is youth, try to get someone who's young and energetic to appeal to players. Mediocrity, don't swing for the fences, get someone who will at least get you to be consistently a bubble team or even NIT team before raising expectations, a solid recruiting base, if you can't recruit Chicagoland then get someone with strong connections to Milwaukee/St Louis/Twin Cities/Indy/Cincy somewhere that you can point to a spot you've developed a recruiting pipeline.
If going retread I'd go Bruce Weber.
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They definitely won't beat us tomorrow. But Wednesday got a little more interesting.
Agree, wish they would have waited haha. This is the type of move that could awake the sleeping giant.
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Did I miss something? I went to Benet and we were never great at basketball, I know kaminski went there after my time, but I wasn't aware we were getting consistent talent.
Benet grad here too and I don't see it as source of consistent talent. I think Xavier had a decent center from Benet a few years ago, but not a source of D1 talent that many other Illinois schools are.
Benet has over the decades been above average in basketball (currently #25 in IL). I was there (along with ESPN) when we won the 100th game in a row at home.
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Why do you make this move now unless "your guy" is available?
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Why do you make this move now unless "your guy" is available?
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"George Mikan in the final four was the first basketball game I remember"
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Grand Canyon is in a weird position as a school. I could see Drew making the move to a real school rather than a for-profit one.
Absolutely but he’s in a good spot right now. Do you want to move back to Chicago to save DePaul? I guess his brother saved Baylor, so maybe?
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That's what they said about Pat Kennedy.
And Dave Leitao.
And Jerry Wainwright.
And Tracy Webster, for a little while.
And Oliver Purnell.
And Dave Leitao...again.
And Tony Stubblefield.
I doubt many people have cared enough to say that about anyone since maybe Purnell. And I highly, highly doubt anybody says that when an interim gets named the coach midseason like Webster.
Although Webster probably would've had the best chance at getting them anywhere decent had they kept him for more than 16 games. Younger and was an assistant for the awesome Illinois team in 2005.
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Scoop pressure forced Depaul's hand
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Scoop pressure forced Depaul's hand
Scoop does it again!
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Golden …
I thought the same thing …,
OF COURSE they do this right before
MU game. The players, all of whom have no talent, quit or both … might actually care on Wednesday
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Awww, poor Stubbs. This move makes me feel blue.
Blue blue, actually.
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Awww, poor Stubbs. This move makes me feel blue.
Blue blue, actually.
And we don't get to see him on the sideline against MU one more time.
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What about Milwaukee's coach? He's clearly knowledgeable seen by his success at D2. Got UWM to the CBI last year, it wouldn't be a huge distance or cultural move, and he's not a name brand mid major coach so DePaul wouldn't have to break the bank.
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We are not very good if we're worried about the game on Wednesday. DePaul firing their coach or not...
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We are not very good if we're worried about the game on Wednesday. DePaul firing their coach or not...
COLE
MOPE
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What about Milwaukee's coach? He's clearly knowledgeable seen by his success at D2. Got UWM to the CBI last year, it wouldn't be a huge distance or cultural move, and he's not a name brand mid major coach so DePaul wouldn't have to break the bank.
Goodman thinks they are breaking the bank.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1749523204446589056?s=20
And they have to. Going cheap has gotten them nowhere.
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What about Milwaukee's coach? He's clearly knowledgeable seen by his success at D2. Got UWM to the CBI last year, it wouldn't be a huge distance or cultural move, and he's not a name brand mid major coach so DePaul wouldn't have to break the bank.
They're struggling... he went the JUCO/transfer route to try and hit it big right away and it's backfired this year. They don't guard worth a damn and turn it over like crazy.
I like Bart, super nice guy. I hope he can get things going at UWM. But I don't think he's ready for a BE job.
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Goodman thinks they are breaking the bank.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1749523204446589056?s=20
And they have to. Going cheap has gotten them nowhere.
I would inquire with UCLA and Mick and see if he wants the Shaka-Texas soft landing.
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I would inquire with UCLA and Mick and see if he wants the Shaka-Texas soft landing.
Would be really interesting to see that. Rebuilt cinci into something. Have to imagine he's still got some Midwest recruiting contacts
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Would Wojo say yes if DePaul came calling?
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Would Wojo say yes if DePaul came calling?
Let's hope so.
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Going from UCLA to DePaul would be terrible for one's self-esteem
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The Athletic's top three:
John Becker, Vermont
Rob Senderoff, Kent State
And some guy named Brian Wardle
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Going from UCLA to DePaul would be terrible for one's self-esteem
Oh I agree that Mick's ego is too big and his penis too small. But I do think he needs an out
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The Athletic list seems about right…
Goodman thinks they will break the bank ? LOL no way
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If Luke Yaklich was doing better at UIC, he’d be a good candidate. He was a pretty big name assistant under Beilein (and briefly Shaka) before he took that job. As it stands, probably a tough sell.
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The Athletic list seems about right…
If they fired Stubblefield to hire the good, but by no means great, coach of Kent State, what is really the point?
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There is more to this firing than meets the eye.
Few people fire their coach midway through the conference season. There's either been a player revolt somewhere (aka, a letter writer) or some sort of irregularity that made DePaul have to act. The season already is lost so unless you can get first dibs on who is available, there's no sense in acting this hastily.
We'll see in the weeks ahead.
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There is more to this firing than meets the eye.
Few people fire their coach midway through the conference season. There's either been a player revolt somewhere (aka, a letter writer) or some sort of irregularity that made DePaul have to act. The season already is lost so unless you can get first dibs on who is available, there's no sense in acting this hastily.
We'll see in the weeks ahead.
What??? The guy's lost like 23 straight BE games in a row and probably 45 out of last 50, yeah that's a bit irregular. ESPN says only one of their seven BE losses have been fewer than 14 points and five of their seven have been by at least 25 points.
Get rid of him now and start looking for future coach, why wait?
A letter? That's just a common Scoop regurgitation/way overused item by the comics.
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Goodman thinks they will break the bank ? LOL no way
Just remember, banks come in all shapes and sizes.
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I thought Cronin was in line for Louisville?
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I have it on good authority that they called Billy Donovan.
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I have it on good authority that they called Billy Donovan.
Don't think Billy is walking away from NBA money.
If he gets fired, who knows. But that's unlikely until late April, assuming the Bulls don't hold a fire sale at the deadline and remain a play-in team. Will DePaul wait that long? Kinda defeats the purpose of getting an early start on the carousel.
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Huggins could take over Chicago; unfortunately, he could also take over Rush Street.
Huggy Bear could walk to Rush, if he were inclined I actually like the idea of him walking with fans from Rush street bars to games like is done for soccer matches.
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I have it on good authority that they called Billy Donovan.
Good call. They’d save on moving expenses too
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How old are Joey Meyers grandchildren? Are they interested?
I’m trying to think of a best case scenario here, and I’m not sure which serious candidate gives them a second look.
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DePaul’s recruiting has been so poor for so many years. They should at least have a pipeline into the Catholic League. Sularski is a perfect example of someone they should be in on (Marquette should be too) at this point, and they’re not. Ciaravino they offered, and didn’t land.
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DePaul’s recruiting has been so poor for so many years. They should at least have a pipeline into the Catholic League. Sularski is a perfect example of someone they should be in on (Marquette should be too) at this point, and they’re not. Ciaravino they offered, and didn’t land.
Stubblefield was hired because of his recruiting at Oregon as chief recruiter. Google articles when he was hired and that is the common denominator of each article. He just did not do the recruiting job and relied on portal guys. Maybe it was an NIL issue or the fact players just don't want to attend Depaul. He did get a commit from Elijah Fisher, a former Top 30 recruit, but he also was a transfer from Texas Tech to Depaul, after his freshman year. Why he could not keep the local Chicago area players is unknown, but maybe a few would have helped him win at least one BE game in last year.
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When DePaul hires Wardle, you’re going to see some great defensive basketball and a team that shares the ball. Lots of gym rat types, too. 19th in the nation in effective fg% this year offensively. Marquette is doomed
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Huggins could take over Chicago; unfortunately, he could also take over Rush Street.
I don't imagine any Catholic f*cks will be hiring Bob Huggins anytime soon.
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I don't imagine any Catholic f*cks will be hiring Bob Huggins anytime soon.
If memory serves he used the other f word.
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Whoever gets the DePaul job should hire Tommy Kleinschmidt as an assistant. He was a director of operations under Wainwright 15 years ago, and he’s been doing a great job at GT/DePaul Prep for a while now.
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If memory serves he used the other f word.
Ah ... you're probably right.
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Whoever gets the DePaul job should hire Tommy Kleinschmidt as an assistant. He was a director of operations under Wainwright 15 years ago, and he’s been doing a great job at GT/DePaul Prep for a while now.
Pick 'n Roll Tommy
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When DePaul hires Wardle, you’re going to see some great defensive basketball and a team that shares the ball. Lots of gym rat types, too. 19th in the nation in effective fg% this year offensively. Marquette is doomed
Wardle will run the shiit outta those guys.
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Just a reminder of what DuhPaul is:
Perhaps the wildest thing about DePaul's previous search was that they were down to Tony Stubblefield...and Chicago-area native Jon Scheyer, among others. Scheyer was passed on. You all know where he is now. The school selected Stubblefield.
John Fanta
https://x.com/john_fanta/status/1749514002835656750?s=46&t=wj-kQtLCLPNb9xDTKbHRvQ
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If Im the decision maker at DeP, I go big. Get the biggest name I can. Cheap route D-2 guy, or someone from Shantytown State, no. It’s now or never. Spend big and roll it. There are some selling points…new practice facility coming (not sure where it’s at in terms of funding/planing…but coming), nice arena, albeit not walking distance from campus, but doable, and Chicago Chicago Chicago. Go big.
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Whoever gets the DePaul job should hire Tommy Kleinschmidt as an assistant. He was a director of operations under Wainwright 15 years ago, and he’s been doing a great job at GT/DePaul Prep for a while now.
No way, his style at York and DePaul would not work at the college level.
Plus he is such an ass, I’ve seen him try to pick fights with opposing coaches in the middle of games.
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The amusing thing is that Athletic article came up within minutes of the firing. That was in the can and ready to go.
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I don't imagine any Catholic f*cks will be hiring Bob Huggins anytime soon.
Am I a “Catholic f*cks” too?
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Not sure if DePaul is salvageable. It seems like the type of person to salvage is a Kevin O’Neil type circa 1990. MU was not as bad as DePaul back then but we were close. MU also wasn’t as far removed from success either. A young, super energetic, proven recruiter seems like the type of guy who could possibly turn DePaul around. Would love to see Marquette against DePaul have some relevance again. Would be great for the Big East.
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If they fired Stubblefield to hire the good, but by no means great, coach of Kent State, what is really the point?
That would be a big move for the NEW DePaul. The old DePaul would hire the assistant coach at Kent State. Remember Leitao was an assistant at the blue blood Tulsa. :o
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Am I a “Catholic f*cks” too?
Pak is talking about the interview he gave in Cincinnati about Xavier last year.
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Not sure if DePaul is salvageable. It seems like the type of person to salvage is a Kevin O’Neil type circa 1990. MU was not as bad as DePaul back then but we were close. MU also wasn’t as far removed from success either. A young, super energetic, proven recruiter seems like the type of guy who could possibly turn DePaul around. Would love to see Marquette against DePaul have some relevance again. Would be great for the Big East.
If Baylor was salvageable any program is. That being said it takes serious $$$ and I question if DePaul has the organizational bandwidth to organize it and the alumni support. Crazier things have happened though.
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Not sure if DePaul is salvageable. It seems like the type of person to salvage is a Kevin O’Neil type circa 1990. MU was not as bad as DePaul back then but we were close. MU also wasn’t as far removed from success either. A young, super energetic, proven recruiter seems like the type of guy who could possibly turn DePaul around. Would love to see Marquette against DePaul have some relevance again. Would be great for the Big East.
UCONN was the worst of the Big East up until Jim Calhoun came along. Anything is possible. The huge caveat is the school itself being committed. The last few hires were DPU saying "we don't care about basketball". I seriously doubt that has changed.
Much like DePaul itself, I don't care about DePaul basketball. Every conference needs it's Vanderbilt or BC.
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So what is the over/under on % of (DePaul)fans who show up to tomorrows game that know they fired their coach? 50%, 25%, 10%?
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So what is the over/under on % of (DePaul)fans who show up to tomorrows game that know they fired their coach? 50%, 25%, 10%?
I’m Chicago-based and tend to go to this game each year. It’s pretty much a home game for us.
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If Im the decision maker at DeP, I go big. Get the biggest name I can. Cheap route D-2 guy, or someone from Shantytown State, no. It’s now or never. Spend big and roll it. There are some selling points…new practice facility coming (not sure where it’s at in terms of funding/planing…but coming), nice arena, albeit not walking distance from campus, but doable, and Chicago Chicago Chicago. Go big.
I know you might find this hard to believe, but there are potential coaches that might think having to move to Chicago is a negative.
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The amusing thing is that Athletic article came up within minutes of the firing. That was in the can and ready to go.
Sports Illustrated has not reported it as of now. Waiting for the Thursday addition.
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I know you might find this hard to believe, but there are potential coaches that might think having to move to Chicago is a negative.
F*ck 'em
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I know you might find this hard to believe, but there are potential coaches that might think having to move to Chicago is a negative.
why would I find that hard to believe? I’m not a city guy. Not a fan of the city of Chicago, or Milwaukee, for that matter. However, there’s no denying that there is serious good high school basketball talent in Chicago. If a coach commits to relationship building and recruiting this local talent, imo it could be good. That’s what I meant by CHICAGO. But me personally a fan of the city? No. (And true, the hire will need to be the right personality, the right fit.)
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I know you might find this hard to believe, but there are potential coaches that might think having to move to Chicago is a negative.
True, but on balance Chicago is a positive for most. Some would not like the Big East (cough..Buzz..cough) but on balance the Big East is a positive for most.
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With the exception of the crappy winters, Chicago is one of the best big cities in the U.S. Reports of crime are overblown and more of perception rather than reality.
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Pak is talking about the interview he gave in Cincinnati about Xavier last year.
Yes. Because of the pink d1ldoz
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Sports Illustrated has not reported it as of now. Waiting for the Thursday addition.
Check CNN+, I'll bet they have a story on it.
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I agree with this analysis.
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Would Grant at Dayton be a candidate?
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Would Grant at Dayton be a candidate?
Probably not. He's had one really good year there, the rest have been pretty mediocre...though this year is trending good obviously. He wasn't great at Alabama either.
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I still haven't forgotten the last time Marquette played at DePaul the game after firing Wainright:
Wainwright began the 2009–10 season as head coach, but was fired on January 11, 2010, after a 7–8 start to the season.[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DePaul_Blue_Demons_men%27s_basketball#cite_note-15) He still had two years remaining on his contract at the time of his firing. Wainwright finished with a 59–80 overall record in his five years at DePaul. Assistant coach Tracy Webster (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracy_Webster) was named interim head coach for the remainder of the 2009–10 season and finished with a 1–15 record.
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Grant is a Dayton alum. It will take more than DePaul to pull him away.
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Grant is a Dayton alum. It will take more than DePaul to pull him away.
Throw in a Chevy Cavalier then.
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Throw in a Chevy Cavalier then.
You mean a Dayton Bentley?
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I still haven't forgotten the last time Marquette played at DePaul the game after firing Wainright:
Oh shut up!
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If Baylor was salvageable any program is. That being said it takes serious $$$ and I question if DePaul has the organizational bandwidth to organize it and the alumni support. Crazier things have happened though.
I think that this is at the heart of it. It's always been important to hire a good coach. That requires either money or a really good eye for emerging talent. Or both. A talented up-and-comer can get you started on the road, but they likely won't be around too long (and certainly won't be around to long if the money isn't there).
But with the recent developments in NIL, I think that the financial backing of a program is just so much more important than in the past. A young coach can be the best, most personable recruiter ever, but if he can't provide access to a solid NIL package, it's going to be very, very difficult to turn a program around.
If they are going to turn things around -- and that's a really big "if" -- DePaul is going to have to pony up for a new coach's salary, but they are also going to have to somehow tap into funds for players' NIL. I just don't think it's going to be possible to recruit players who will be competitive in the Big East without significant NIL resources.
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There are some selling points…new practice facility coming (not sure where it’s at in terms of funding/planing…but coming), nice arena, albeit not walking distance from campus, but doable, and Chicago Chicago Chicago. Go big.
Given DePaul's history, what do you figure are the odds that a new practice facility opens during the next coach's tenure? The program isn't known for the longevity of it's head coaches. I saw one article indicating that "the demolition of buildings on site would not begin until Summer 2025 at the earliest (https://chicago.urbanize.city/post/depaul-university-presents-basketball-practice-facility-community#:~:text=DePaul%20University%20has%20presented%20their,for%20the%20school's%20basketball%20teams.)" At the earliest. It's going to be a while. If DePaul begins to turn things around, their new coach will have his resume circulating within a couple years. If they don't begin to turn things around, they'll fire the new guy. I'd be very surprised if their next coach conducts a single practice in the new facility (and that's assuming that they actually build it).
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Given DePaul's history, what do you figure are the odds that a new practice facility opens during the next coach's tenure? The program isn't known for the longevity of it's head coaches. I saw one article indicating that "the demolition of buildings on site would not begin until Summer 2025 at the earliest (https://chicago.urbanize.city/post/depaul-university-presents-basketball-practice-facility-community#:~:text=DePaul%20University%20has%20presented%20their,for%20the%20school's%20basketball%20teams.)" At the earliest. It's going to be a while. If DePaul begins to turn things around, their new coach will have his resume circulating within a couple years. If they don't begin to turn things around, they'll fire the new guy. I'd be very surprised if their next coach conducts a single practice in the new facility (and that's assuming that they actually build it).
Great point, the new person isn't walking into shiny new facilities they're walking into a transition period and recruiting guys who might be upper classmen when the facility opens.
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With the exception of the crappy winters, Chicago is one of the best big cities in the U.S. Reports of crime are overblown and more of perception rather than reality.
crime a perception? Ah, no. It’s bad, in Chicago and most of urban America. But from a basketball perspective, DeP is in a great location. Just need to right guy. I don’t want DeP to improve at the detriment of MU, but a good team in the 2nd largest BE market would be a good thing, imo. Just as I hope Pitino wins big at StJ’s. (as long as MU is better, of course)
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Given DePaul's history, what do you figure are the odds that a new practice facility opens during the next coach's tenure? The program isn't known for the longevity of it's head coaches. I saw one article indicating that "the demolition of buildings on site would not begin until Summer 2025 at the earliest (https://chicago.urbanize.city/post/depaul-university-presents-basketball-practice-facility-community#:~:text=DePaul%20University%20has%20presented%20their,for%20the%20school's%20basketball%20teams.)" At the earliest. It's going to be a while. If DePaul begins to turn things around, their new coach will have his resume circulating within a couple years. If they don't begin to turn things around, they'll fire the new guy. I'd be very surprised if their next coach conducts a single practice in the new facility (and that's assuming that they actually build it).
There is considerable pushback in Lincoln Park and Chicago at large because DePaul wants to tear down two older buildings and people in Lincoln Park take the character of the neighborhood VERY seriously. As most people in multi-million dollar houses typically do.
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crime a perception? Ah, no. It’s bad, in Chicago and most of urban America.
Nationwide:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/
Chicago:
Every crime but car thefts have lower rates than a decade ago.
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/chicago-sees-total-crime-drop-but-most-violent-crimes-up-over-decade/
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There is considerable pushback in Lincoln Park and Chicago at large because DePaul wants to tear down two older buildings and people in Lincoln Park take the character of the neighborhood VERY seriously. As most people in multi-million dollar houses typically do.
They aren't just older buildings they're from the 1800s iirc. It's not exactly like people protecting some 1930s bungalows when there's a million more to go around. Wish the architect could've at least attempted to preserve the facade which would've been cool but whatever.
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They aren't just older buildings they're from the 1800s iirc. It's not exactly like people protecting some 1930s bungalows when there's a million more to go around. Wish the architect could've at least attempted to preserve the facade which would've been cool but whatever.
I grew up in Lincoln Park and agree with keeping the character of the neighborhood.
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I grew up in Lincoln Park and agree with keeping the character of the neighborhood.
Glad you’re still with us today considering all the crime 😂
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Nationwide:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/
Chicago:
Every crime but car thefts have lower rates than a decade ago.
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/chicago-sees-total-crime-drop-but-most-violent-crimes-up-over-decade/
Illinois Policy, while a nice innocuous sounding name, has a political agenda and politics is not allowed here.
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crime a perception? Ah, no. It’s bad, in Chicago and most of urban America. But from a basketball perspective, DeP is in a great location. Just need to right guy. I don’t want DeP to improve at the detriment of MU, but a good team in the 2nd largest BE market would be a good thing, imo. Just as I hope Pitino wins big at StJ’s. (as long as MU is better, of course)
I may be in the minority in this opinion but I honestly really don’t care about DePaul being any good. The conference has done just fine with them being the perennial doormat and I am absolutely fine with that continuing as long as they’re in the league.
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I may be in the minority in this opinion but I honestly really don’t care about DePaul being any good. The conference has done just fine with them being the perennial doormat and I am absolutely fine with that continuing as long as they’re in the league.
It's just that they can drag our net down if we do not beat them by enough. There's very little upside to beating them and a ton of downside for any other BE team they beat or even come within 10 points of beating. I get what you are saying, but if they become just halfway decent, it's a plus for us (barring being upset by them-it has happened before).
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It's just that they can drag our net down if we do not beat them by enough. There's very little upside to beating them and a ton of downside for any other BE team they beat or even come within 10 points of beating. I get what you are saying, but if they become just halfway decent, it's a plus for us (barring being upset by them-it has happened before).
I agree with this.
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It's just that they can drag our net down if we do not beat them by enough. There's very little upside to beating them and a ton of downside for any other BE team they beat or even come within 10 points of beating. I get what you are saying, but if they become just halfway decent, it's a plus for us (barring being upset by them-it has happened before).
So then just "up" our non-con cupcakes with two 150ish buy games to offset DePaul in conference. I realize it's not that simple, but theoretically...
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I may be in the minority in this opinion but I honestly really don’t care about DePaul being any good. The conference has done just fine with them being the perennial doormat and I am absolutely fine with that continuing as long as they’re in the league.
Same but the doormat should be ~100 in NET, not 300+.
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I may be in the minority in this opinion but I honestly really don’t care about DePaul being any good. The conference has done just fine with them being the perennial doormat and I am absolutely fine with that continuing as long as they’re in the league.
I'm with you. Beast post realignment has been an absolute success at the same time that DePaul has been a dumpster fire. If DePaul continues to be a dumpster fire, I feel confident the conference will still be fine.
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I remember the years when DePaul was competitive, and distinctly remember a season or two when they finished ahead of us in the standings and made the tournament when we were sitting at home. And I've been to two recent games when we lost to them with the a postseason appearance on the line, sending us home. I would gladly trade the inconvenience of having a slightly less than impressive win over a totally irrelevant team trivially hurt our resume than have to put up with them being even slightly competent and any more annoying than they already are.
There are enough really tough games in this league as it is. Absolutely no one cares about DePaul in Chicago anyways, I can't think of any good reason why any of that needs to change.
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Isn't it conceivable that losing to them in 2018 kept us from a tournament birth? I know we weren't making it either way in 2016 but also salty about that one... though maybe then Wojo is still coaching so we should thank them.
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'tournament birth'
So....many....jokes
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I remember the years when DePaul was competitive, and distinctly remember a season or two when they finished ahead of us in the standings and made the tournament when we were sitting at home. And I've been to two recent games when we lost to them with the a postseason appearance on the line, sending us home. I would gladly trade the inconvenience of having a slightly less than impressive win over a totally irrelevant team trivially hurt our resume than have to put up with them being even slightly competent and any more annoying than they already are.
There are enough really tough games in this league as it is. Absolutely no one cares about DePaul in Chicago anyways, I can't think of any good reason why any of that needs to change.
I'd argue that I wish MU plays better not that DePaul is worse.
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'tournament birth'
So....many....jokes
In a rare moment of mercy, I saw that and let it go.
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'tournament birth'
So....many....jokes
Hah. Going to leave it up for the masses to enjoy.
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;D
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Illinois Policy, while a nice innocuous sounding name, has a political agenda and politics is not allowed here.
Sultan’s old. Probably just forgot.
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I'd argue that I wish MU plays better not that DePaul is worse.
I totally agree about MU playing better, that goes without saying.
I don't think DePaul needs to be any worse. I'm fine with them always being as bad as they are now.
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Glad you’re still with us today considering all the crime 😂
I got out while a Daly was still mayor
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I got out while a Daly was still mayor
So, back when things were really bad.
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Isn't it conceivable that losing to them in 2018 kept us from a tournament birth? I know we weren't making it either way in 2016 but also salty about that one... though maybe then Wojo is still coaching so we should thank them.
It is. There were two main knocks on the resume, the first was losing to DePaul the second was going 0-7 against Xavier, Villanova, Purdue, and Wichita State (all protected seeds).
Ultimately, I think we were one win away from Dayton and I think adding any one win would've put us over the top.
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I still haven't forgotten the last time Marquette played at DePaul the game after firing Wainright:
Nor have I, but to make it worse, it was at the BC and it was the only Big East game DePaul won all season.
If history repeats itself then 🔥
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Nor have I, but to make it worse, it was at the BC and it was the only Big East game DePaul won all season.
If history repeats itself then 🔥
It was at the Allstate not BC
https://www.espn.co.uk/mens-college-basketball/video/_/gameId/300210305
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I may be in the minority in this opinion but I honestly really don’t care about DePaul being any good. The conference has done just fine with them being the perennial doormat and I am absolutely fine with that continuing as long as they’re in the league.
I'd like my doormat to be at least in the top half of all of college basketball, not a tough ask. At least be a q2 away game.
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Nationwide:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/
Chicago:
Every crime but car thefts have lower rates than a decade ago.
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/chicago-sees-total-crime-drop-but-most-violent-crimes-up-over-decade/
Ok, sure. Good luck, my friend.
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Ok, sure. Good luck, my friend.
Thanks! I’m not the one falling for false narratives so I’m good.
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Thanks! I’m not the one falling for false narratives so I’m good.
…rather, you are proving your liberal dumb assery. (We’ve got to meet sometime. A discussion with you would be priceless. Absolutely worth my time)
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…rather, you are proving your liberal dumb assery. (We’ve got to meet sometime. A discussion with you would be priceless. Absolutely worth my time)
Yep, everyone in the know knows urban locations are a burning hellscape of crime.
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It was at the Allstate not BC
https://www.espn.co.uk/mens-college-basketball/video/_/gameId/300210305
Good memory. I remember it was a home game but I got the venue wrong.
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…rather, you are proving your liberal dumb assery. (We’ve got to meet sometime. A discussion with you would be priceless. Absolutely worth my time)
Sorry you struggle with basic statistics.
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Sorry you struggle with basic statistics.
…yeah, sure.
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…yeah, sure.
Solid rejoinder. Gonna guess PHIL 015 wasn't a happy time for you.
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With the exception of the crappy winters, Chicago is one of the best big cities in the U.S. Reports of crime are overblown and more of perception rather than reality.
As a former resident of the Chicago area, I was speaking more of the high taxes, the financial condition of the city and state, and the corrupt political structure.
Also the crappy winters.
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Good memory. I remember it was a home game but I got the venue wrong.
🤣
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As a former resident of the Chicago area, I was speaking more of the high taxes, the financial condition of the city and state, and the corrupt political structure.
Also the crappy winters.
the corrupt political culture is endearing
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Where is the political culture not corrupt? Texas? Mississippi? South Dakota? I get it. Chicago politics is an easy punch line.
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Where is the political culture not corrupt? Texas? Mississippi? South Dakota? I get it. Chicago politics is an easy punch line.
You haven't lived until you've gotten an 80% YOY increase on your Cook County property taxes.
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You haven't lived until you've gotten an 80% YOY increase on your Cook County property taxes.
Not sure that's "corrupt."
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We can hold many things as true at the same time, can we not?
Chicago area is incredible. Amazing job and career opportunities, magnificent urban lakefront beauty, arts, cosmopolitan population, restaurant scene etc.
Chicago area is expensive. High taxes, rent and cost of home ownership.
Chicago area has a lot of violent crime, and that sucks.
IL/Chicago taxes are high, especially relative to the south. But don’t fool yourself on taxes - not so high compared to WI.
If you are a retiree, you can live on a rural lake in Illinois and you likely will pay less in taxes than if you lived on a comparable WI setting (though that WI setting likely will be much more beautiful!). Or you can live in Chicago and pay less in taxes than you would as a retiree in Milwaukee.
This is because: 1) Wisconsin real estate taxes are not low (WI ranks 44 out of 51 jurisdictions; IL 50th); and 2) Illinois doesn’t not tax SSI, pension, IRA. 401k. WI, which has a higher top income tax rate than IL (yes, that’s right), taxes IRA’s, non-governmental pensions and 401k’s (like IL, WI does not tax SSI). And remember, on non-retirement type income, WI is higher than IL.
Chicago/Cook County kills you with sales taxes, but WI also is high, and if you live outside of the city/Cook County, state sales tax isn’t that different (5% to 6.25%)
Back to the topic at hand: I’d rather coach at MU than any school in Illinois.
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Data Point:
Chicago Homicides
2012: 515
2022: 725
Conclusion:
Crime is down
Nietzsche would be proud.
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Data Point:
Chicago Homicides
2012: 515
2022: 725
Conclusion:
Crime is down
Nietzsche would be proud.
I guess if you think homicides are the only example of "violent crime"...
The fact is the number of violent crimes in Chicago has decreased from 20 years ago. You can continue to argue with "statistics" and "math," but they will likely remain undefeated.
Or you can continue to base your opinions on things like "feelings" and "what other people are telling you." Just know that no one will take you seriously.
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You haven't lived until you've gotten an 80% YOY increase on your Cook County property taxes.
Are you a McCaskey?
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As a former resident of the Chicago area, I was speaking more of the high taxes, the financial condition of the city and state, and the corrupt political structure.
Also the crappy winters.
JB just got at least one year of projected surplus and the credit rating bumped up. Corruption is literally everywhere, the people who complain about Illinois politics on here turned a blind eye to the nepotism from the previous presidential administration, heck corruption is viewed as horrendous when it's a bribe from a business for one side but viewed as having admirable morals when it's a large donation from a church who gets just as much benefit. These complaints you list are old and tired.
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Ah yes the yearly Scoop tradition of hating on cities, namely Chicago.
Haters gotta hate. Guess it makes them feel better?
Have fun!
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We can hold many things as true at the same time, can we not?
Chicago area is incredible. Amazing job and career opportunities, magnificent urban lakefront beauty, arts, cosmopolitan population, restaurant scene etc.
Chicago area is expensive. High taxes, rent and cost of home ownership.
Chicago area has a lot of violent crime, and that sucks.
IL/Chicago taxes are high, especially relative to the south. But don’t fool yourself on taxes - not so high compared to WI.
If you are a retiree, you can live on a rural lake in Illinois and you likely will pay less in taxes than if you lived on a comparable WI setting (though that WI setting likely will be much more beautiful!). Or you can live in Chicago and pay less in taxes than you would as a retiree in Milwaukee.
This is because: 1) Wisconsin real estate taxes are not low (WI ranks 44 out of 51 jurisdictions; IL 50th); and 2) Illinois doesn’t not tax SSI, pension, IRA. 401k. WI, which has a higher top income tax rate than IL (yes, that’s right), taxes IRA’s, non-governmental pensions and 401k’s (like IL, WI does not tax SSI). And remember, on non-retirement type income, WI is higher than IL.
Chicago/Cook County kills you with sales taxes, but WI also is high, and if you live outside of the city/Cook County, state sales tax isn’t that different (5% to 6.25%)
Back to the topic at hand: I’d rather coach at MU than any school in Illinois.
You know what you can do with this reasoned take!?!
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/721916ce95a7559594fdedddbf3f39a0/tenor.gif?itemid=5212487)
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I guess if you think homicides are the only example of "violent crime"...
The fact is the number of violent crimes in Chicago has decreased from 20 years ago. You can continue to argue with "statistics" and "math," but they will likely remain undefeated.
Or you can continue to base your opinions on things like "feelings" and "what other people are telling you." Just know that no one will take you seriously.
math: 725 > 515
feelings: N/A
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Cities scare me.
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math: 725 > 515
feelings: N/A
Again, if you want to look at one data point to determine what "violent crime" is, go right ahead. It certainly doesn't give you the entire picture, but hey if it enforces the narrative you have been fed, it probably makes you feel good too.
In the meantime I will put another Scooper on my "not to be taken seriously" list. It's getting really long.
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In before the lock
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Again, if you want to look at one data point to determine what "violent crime" is, go right ahead. It certainly doesn't give you the entire picture, but hey if it enforces the narrative you have been fed, it probably makes you feel good too.
In the meantime I will put another Scooper on my "not to be taken seriously" list. It's getting really long.
Per capita, according to Yellowstone, living in Montana is FAR more dangerous than living in any major city
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Again, if you want to look at one data point to determine what "violent crime" is, go right ahead. It certainly doesn't give you the entire picture, but hey if it enforces the narrative you have been fed, it probably makes you feel good too.
In the meantime I will put another Scooper on my "not to be taken seriously" list. It's getting really long.
Me thinks you project too much. I have made no statement, interjected no commentary, nor voiced any "feelings" regarding crime rates or the city of Chicago. Frankly, I have none, nor the interest to acquire them. My critique was simply on your reading comprehension as the link you provided, presumably in support of your premise, did nothing but undermine it.
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I guess if you think homicides are the only example of "violent crime"...
The fact is the number of violent crimes in Chicago has decreased from 20 years ago. You can continue to argue with "statistics" and "math," but they will likely remain undefeated.
Or you can continue to base your opinions on things like "feelings" and "what other people are telling you." Just know that no one will take you seriously.
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/chicago-sees-total-crime-drop-but-most-violent-crimes-up-over-decade/ (https://www.illinoispolicy.org/chicago-sees-total-crime-drop-but-most-violent-crimes-up-over-decade/)
The troubling stat , to me, is the arrest rate.
Wondering what the conviction rate is
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We can hold many things as true at the same time, can we not?
Chicago area is incredible. Amazing job and career opportunities, magnificent urban lakefront beauty, arts, cosmopolitan population, restaurant scene etc.
Chicago area is expensive. High taxes, rent and cost of home ownership.
Chicago area has a lot of violent crime, and that sucks.
IL/Chicago taxes are high, especially relative to the south. But don’t fool yourself on taxes - not so high compared to WI.
If you are a retiree, you can live on a rural lake in Illinois and you likely will pay less in taxes than if you lived on a comparable WI setting (though that WI setting likely will be much more beautiful!). Or you can live in Chicago and pay less in taxes than you would as a retiree in Milwaukee.
This is because: 1) Wisconsin real estate taxes are not low (WI ranks 44 out of 51 jurisdictions; IL 50th); and 2) Illinois doesn’t not tax SSI, pension, IRA. 401k. WI, which has a higher top income tax rate than IL (yes, that’s right), taxes IRA’s, non-governmental pensions and 401k’s (like IL, WI does not tax SSI). And remember, on non-retirement type income, WI is higher than IL.
Chicago/Cook County kills you with sales taxes, but WI also is high, and if you live outside of the city/Cook County, state sales tax isn’t that different (5% to 6.25%)
Back to the topic at hand: I’d rather coach at MU than any school in Illinois.
Seven figure invoice incoming
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Just to anyone who replies
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Just to anyone who replies
AARP discounts given?
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AARP discounts given?
If they are, that's all I need to know. I'm in.
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AARP discounts given?
Yes (but note that the tax advice on the discount results in higher invoice)
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IL/Chicago taxes are high, especially relative to the south. But don’t fool yourself on taxes - not so high compared to WI.
If you are a retiree, you can live on a rural lake in Illinois and you likely will pay less in taxes than if you lived on a comparable WI setting (though that WI setting likely will be much more beautiful!). Or you can live in Chicago and pay less in taxes than you would as a retiree in Milwaukee.
This is because: 1) Wisconsin real estate taxes are not low (WI ranks 44 out of 51 jurisdictions; IL 50th); and 2) Illinois doesn’t not tax SSI, pension, IRA. 401k. WI, which has a higher top income tax rate than IL (yes, that’s right), taxes IRA’s, non-governmental pensions and 401k’s (like IL, WI does not tax SSI). And remember, on non-retirement type income, WI is higher than IL.
Chicago/Cook County kills you with sales taxes, but WI also is high, and if you live outside of the city/Cook County, state sales tax isn’t that different (5% to 6.25%)
What does this stuff have to do with my original post, which is about attracting a coach to DePaul?
He will definitely not be retired. He will definitely have to live in the Chicago area (most likely right in the city because driving to Lincoln Park in the sucky traffic would take away valuable coaching time). And any coach who puts in the typical number of hours required by a high-D1 program won't have time to take advantage of much, if any, of the fun stuff there is to do in Chicago. I am not going to bother to correct your inaccuracies on your "facts" about Illinois taxes.
And if you charge me, I will just send you a bill for the financial advice. :)
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Chicago sucks, but no because of the crime or cost of living.
The pizza is pretty and food in general are pretty good, though.
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What does this stuff have to do with my original post, which is about attracting a coach to DePaul?
He will definitely not be retired. He will definitely have to live in the Chicago area (most likely right in the city because driving to Lincoln Park in the sucky traffic would take away valuable coaching time). And any coach who puts in the typical number of hours required by a high-D1 program won't have time to take advantage of much, if any, of the fun stuff there is to do in Chicago. I am not going to bother to correct your inaccuracies on your "facts" about Illinois taxes.
And if you charge me, I will just send you a bill for the financial advice. :)
Scoop fight, Scoop fight, uh ah!!
And to correct you, Huggy is 70 and retired. And he can snowbird a half a year and a day in West Virginia.
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What does this stuff have to do with my original post, which is about attracting a coach to DePaul?
He will definitely not be retired. He will definitely have to live in the Chicago area (most likely right in the city because driving to Lincoln Park in the sucky traffic would take away valuable coaching time). And any coach who puts in the typical number of hours required by a high-D1 program won't have time to take advantage of much, if any, of the fun stuff there is to do in Chicago. I am not going to bother to correct your inaccuracies on your "facts" about Illinois taxes.
And if you charge me, I will just send you a bill for the financial advice. :)
Very little- you’d have to read the insanity after you post!
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Me thinks you project too much. I have made no statement, interjected no commentary, nor voiced any "feelings" regarding crime rates or the city of Chicago. Frankly, I have none, nor the interest to acquire them. My critique was simply on your reading comprehension as the link you provided, presumably in support of your premise, did nothing but undermine it.
Oh. So you cherry-picked one datapoint. Thanks for the confirmation.
And you're lying about your feelings. Pretty obviously.
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Pros:
1. world class arts scene
2. World class food scene, there's a reason the Michelin guide's here. But beyond that The Bear isn't taking place at a butter burger stand in Milwaukee. Even the cheap dive spots are unique. Heck people loved MU gyros, where do you think those Kronos gyros they used were made?
3. Every sport (pretend you don't care about Hockey all you want if MKE or whatever city you're in had it you'd be a fan, same if the packers moved to Milwaukee area)
4. Density, transit, and non Euclidean zoning. Modern zoning practices are the reason that sprawl suburbs exist, reason that car centric infrastrure became necessary that set the stage for big box stores and now Amazon to grow to the insane level they are. Heck even the reason the drinking age is 21 is because driving. The walkability in Chicago is superior to pretty much every major city outside of New York. Philly's probably on par, with a couple others.
5. Lake front
6. Architecture
Cons:
1. Taxes, ok I'll give this one it sucks. At least the waters clean and main beaches are pristine.
2. Corruption, people who crap on Chicago have double standards here based on their political preference.
3. Crime, every big city has it. It's definitely a concerning rising trend in Chicago because the old "it's only the south and west sides" isn't a thing anymore. Still crime rate is better than hard numbers for context.
4. Cost of Living, I'd say for a global city it's cheap relative to NYC, & LA, plus smaller cities like San Fran, Boston, Denver, and Seattle are all more costly. But yes, an average service industry worker or entry level employee isn't living in an idealistic spot and home values are a bit inflated relative to size.
Debatable:
1. Weather, I'd prefer a sustainable living spot with snow a few months than paying for bottled water filled with microplastic in Phoenix, breathing in smoke for 6 months in California, or hurricanes in Florida but that's me. Plus, as someone who's training for a marathon during this winter, to quote the Scandinavians "there's no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothes"
Idk why people have to have this "Chicagos terrible!" Or "Chicagos a utopia!". It has its issues and it has its benefits. But personally if I lived in a car centric, cookie cutter suburb and hour away rather than immediately say it's a hell hole I'd take an Introspective at if my issues with it are my own doing by "othering" urban locations, or forcing myself to drive in snow, or spending so little time in Chicago that it becomes associated with work or a becomes a stressful chore to get to town and explore.
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Pros:
1. world class arts scene
2. World class food scene, there's a reason the Michelin guide's here. But beyond that The Bear isn't taking place at a butter burger stand in Milwaukee. Even the cheap dive spots are unique. Heck people loved MU gyros, where do you think those Kronos gyros they used were made?
3. Every sport (pretend you don't care about Hockey all you want if MKE or whatever city you're in had it you'd be a fan, same if the packers moved to Milwaukee area)
4. Density, transit, and non Euclidean zoning. Modern zoning practices are the reason that sprawl suburbs exist, reason that car centric infrastrure became necessary that set the stage for big box stores and now Amazon to grow to the insane level they are. Heck even the reason the drinking age is 21 is because driving. The walkability in Chicago is superior to pretty much every major city outside of New York. Philly's probably on par, with a couple others.
5. Lake front
6. Architecture
Cons:
1. Taxes, ok I'll give this one it sucks. At least the waters clean and main beaches are pristine.
2. Corruption, people who crap on Chicago have double standards here based on their political preference.
3. Crime, every big city has it. It's definitely a concerning rising trend in Chicago because the old "it's only the south and west sides" isn't a thing anymore. Still crime rate is better than hard numbers for context.
4. Cost of Living, I'd say for a global city it's cheap relative to NYC, & LA, plus smaller cities like San Fran, Boston, Denver, and Seattle are all more costly. But yes, an average service industry worker or entry level employee isn't living in an idealistic spot and home values are a bit inflated relative to size.
Debatable:
1. Weather, I'd prefer a sustainable living spot with snow a few months than paying for bottled water filled with microplastic in Phoenix, breathing in smoke for 6 months in California, or hurricanes in Florida but that's me. Plus, as someone who's training for a marathon during this winter, to quote the Scandinavians "there's no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothes"
Idk why people have to have this "Chicagos terrible!" Or "Chicagos a utopia!". It has its issues and it has its benefits. But personally if I lived in a car centric, cookie cutter suburb and hour away rather than immediately say it's a hell hole I'd take an Introspective at if my issues with it are my own doing by "othering" urban locations, or forcing myself to drive in snow, or spending so little time in Chicago that it becomes associated with work or a becomes a stressful chore to get to town and explore.
All cities, regardless of size, have pluses and minuses. All people, regardless of their backgrounds, have preferences for the place they choose to live.
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All cities, regardless of size, have pluses and minuses. All people, regardless of their backgrounds, have preferences for the place they choose to live.
Except Dayton
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https://www.illinoispolicy.org/chicago-sees-total-crime-drop-but-most-violent-crimes-up-over-decade/ (https://www.illinoispolicy.org/chicago-sees-total-crime-drop-but-most-violent-crimes-up-over-decade/)
The troubling stat , to me, is the arrest rate.
Wondering what the conviction rate is
Lazy union workers, hey?
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I guess if you think homicides are the only example of "violent crime"...
The fact is the number of violent crimes in Chicago has decreased from 20 years ago. You can continue to argue with "statistics" and "math," but they will likely remain undefeated.
Homicides are not the only examples of violent crime. But they are the ultimate example and the easiest one to accurately measure. The fact the the murder rate is up 40% in the last 10 years is pretty staggering.
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Homicides are not the only examples of violent crime. But they are the ultimate example and the easiest one to accurately measure. The fact the the murder rate is up 40% in the last 10 years is pretty staggering.
It's actually an incredibly small portion of violent crime. In 2022, there were about 25,000 instances of violent crime in Chicago. Homicides were something like 2% of that.
And of course this means that the average person in Chicago had less than a 1% chance of being the victim of a violent crime. But whatever drives the clicks right?
I'm sure prospective De Paul coaches are shuddering at that. ::)
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It's actually an incredibly small portion of violent crime. In 2022, there were about 25,000 instances of violent crime in Chicago. Homicides were something like 2% of that.
And of course this means that the average person in Chicago had less than a 1% chance of being the victim of a violent crime. But whatever drives the clicks right?
I'm sure prospective De Paul coaches are shuddering at that. ::)
I don’t give a sh!t about DePaul or their coach being “scared”. But you’re being disingenuous as usual when you give equal weight statistically to guys getting punched in bar fights (down) to guys getting killed (up).
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Frankly I'm worried being around FiFo & campus the weekend of February 25
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It's actually an incredibly small portion of violent crime. In 2022, there were about 25,000 instances of violent crime in Chicago. Homicides were something like 2% of that.
And of course this means that the average person in Chicago had less than a 1% chance of being the victim of a violent crime. But whatever drives the clicks right?
I'm sure prospective De Paul coaches are shuddering at that. ::)
It’s why Marquette needs to move their campus to Fond du Lac, to attract better head coaches. Bet Billy Donovan would have taken the job had it not been located in Milwaukee
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Per capita, according to Yellowstone, living in Montana is FAR more dangerous than living in any major city
says a cracker from the burbs
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I don’t give a sh!t about DePaul or their coach being “scared”. But you’re being disingenuous as usual when you give equal weight statistically to guys getting punched in bar fights (down) to guys getting killed (up).
LOL. Who said I was giving them "equal rate?" I'm not the one who moved the goalposts here. Oasis was - and of course you jumped right on because it didn't require you to put together a complex thought.
The entire conversation was about the negative aspect of Chicago being crime. When it is pointed out that the crime rate has actually IMPROVED over the last couple of decades, Oasis and you jump on with a single datapoint about homicides. You can't understand how illogical that is?
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Oh. So you cherry-picked one datapoint. Thanks for the confirmation.
And you're lying about your feelings. Pretty obviously.
before this gets locked down, shall we address about you what’s obvious to all?
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before this gets locked down, shall we address about you what’s obvious to all?
Sure.
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Just to make sure before this gets locked down, shall we address about you what’s obvious to all?
Fixed
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Chicago sucks, but no because of the crime or cost of living.
The pizza is pretty badand food in general are pretty good, though.
FIFY
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FIFY
I donno, I found it amusing he called the pizza "pretty".
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If the only crime (or violent crime) you have to worry about is homicide, then you should feel pretty dang safe just about anywhere in this country.
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It’s why Marquette needs to move their campus to Fond du Lac, to attract better head coaches. Bet Billy Donovan would have taken the job had it not been located in Milwaukee
Well, Donovan took the Bulls job despite the crime rate in Chicago being 99.4%.
Yep, 99.4% of the people who step foot in Chicago get gunned down. It's a fact, and it's why the population there is down to 7,449 now.
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Well, Donovan took the Bulls job despite the crime rate in Chicago being 99.4%.
Yep, 99.4% of the people who step foot in Chicago get gunned down. It's a fact, and it's why the population there is down to 7,449 now.
Crime has always been an issue for major cities. It’s not a new phenomena. Numbers of crimes reported on has increased through the decades/centuries and number of crimes punished by the law have increased through the decades/centuries.
The one common denominator is poverty. Poverty in big cities, poverty in small cities.
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before this gets locked down, shall we address about you what’s obvious to all?
98% of posters would be permabanned, only an intimate group of circle jerkers would remain. Fluffy would love it.
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Crime has always been an issue for major cities. It’s not a new phenomena. Numbers of crimes reported on has increased through the decades/centuries and number of crimes punished by the law have increased through the decades/centuries.
The one common denominator is poverty. Poverty in big cities, poverty in small cities.
I’ll agree that poverty plays a part…a big part, in crime and crime ridden areas. In addition, we don’t punish crime. For example, No bail. Ridiculous. Do you agree that people control their own circumstances? Their own fate, if you will. Life’s about choices. Self accountability. Self reliance. Make good decisions. Stay away from bad influence. Put oneself in a position to take advantage of opportunity. Agreed?
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If you're avoiding Chicagio bc of what you have heard about crime --- great more room for me. My family has been downtown 3 times since October and our biggest concern is when can we get back.
My wife and I stayed down there in October + November and had great times each weekend. We're late night people; we're in and out of bars well past midnight.
Then my wife took our two grade school age daughters there for 3 days over break. The only complaint was some stores were so busy they were waiting in line to get in.
My recommedation, turn off the news, get on the Amtrak and see one of the greatest cities in the world. If you're local to Milwaukee, consider it a blessing that God put you only 90 minutes away from this gem.
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I’ll agree that poverty plays a part…a big part, in crime and crime ridden areas. In addition, we don’t punish crime. For example, No bail. Ridiculous. Do you agree that people control their own circumstances? Their own fate, if you will. Life’s about choices. Self accountability. Self reliance. Make good decisions. Stay away from bad influence. Put oneself in a position to take advantage of opportunity. Agreed?
We punish crime. We especially punish certain segments of people committing crime.
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98% of posters would be permabanned, only an intimate group of circle jerkers would remain. Fluffy would love it.
Weird take Lenny. Rough guess there's only about a dozen or so here that routinely enjoy bringing politics and/or their political beliefs into threads. The rest follow the rules 99% of the time.
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I’ll agree that poverty plays a part…a big part, in crime and crime ridden areas. In addition, we don’t punish crime. For example, No bail. Ridiculous. Do you agree that people control their own circumstances? Their own fate, if you will. Life’s about choices. Self accountability. Self reliance. Make good decisions. Stay away from bad influence. Put oneself in a position to take advantage of opportunity. Agreed?
We don't punish crime? We have the fifth highest incarceration rate in the world behind El Salvador, Cuba, Rwanda, and Turkmenistan.
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Weird take Lenny. Rough guess there's only about a dozen or so here that routinely enjoy bringing politics and/or their political beliefs into threads. The rest follow the rules 99% of the time.
I think we can all agree, the Marquette job would be more appealing if the campus was in Fond du Lac
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says a cracker from the burbs
Seems very racist.
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I donno, I found it amusing he called the pizza "pretty".
Is it pretty boy pizza?
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98% of posters would be permabanned, only an intimate group of circle jerkers would remain. Fluffy would love it.
That would be awful, I couldn't have fun.
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That would be awful, I couldn't have fun.
I heard there is a new message board for Marquette being launched any day now
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Is it pretty boy pizza?
Only for pretty boys.
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I heard there is a new message board for Marquette being launched any day now
It will be updated soon I'm sure.
https://www.mupoop.com/
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It will be updated soon I'm sure.
https://www.mupoop.com/
No, no, not that one. The one those 12 posters or so threatened the mods with
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If you're avoiding Chicagio bc of what you have heard about crime --- great more room for me. My family has been downtown 3 times since October and our biggest concern is when can we get back.
My wife and I stayed down there in October + November and had great times each weekend. We're late night people; we're in and out of bars well past midnight.
Then my wife took our two grade school age daughters there for 3 days over break. The only complaint was some stores were so busy they were waiting in line to get in.
My recommedation, turn off the news, get on the Amtrak and see one of the greatest cities in the world. If you're local to Milwaukee, consider it a blessing that God put you only 90 minutes away from this gem.
I’m with you Lens!
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Is it pretty boy pizza?
That St. Louis pizza
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No, no, not that one. The one those 12 posters or so threatened the mods with
Ah yes, back in the good old letter writing days!
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60609.0
Oh, I guess I never merged the threads, just put them both in the superbar.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60610.0
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Ah yes, back in the good old letter writing days!
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60609.0
Hah I forgot about that
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Hah I forgot about that
No engineers, sooo not me!
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Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Oh well.
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Lazy union workers, hey?
Just wondering out loud if the lower arrest rate is actually getting more convictions (not rushing to judgment and arresting the wrong person (or not having enough evidence)).
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Just wondering out loud if the lower arrest rate is actually getting more convictions (not rushing to judgment and arresting the wrong person (or not having enough evidence)).
Legs fault
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Ah yes, back in the good old letter writing days!
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60609.0
Oh, I guess I never merged the threads, just put them both in the superbar.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60610.0
This should come with a trigger warning for a certain diminutive, animal loving, 5 point planning poster
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This should come with a trigger warning for a certain diminutive, animal loving, 5 point planning poster
Yikes
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This should come with a trigger warning for a certain diminutive, animal loving, 5 point planning poster
You forgot "misanthropic".
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Legs fault
invoice on the way
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We punish crime. We especially punish certain segments of people committing crime.
you didn’t answer the question… but ok. Btw, those segments that commit a higher % of crime per said segment? (Asking for friends in NYC and Portland)
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We don't punish crime? We have the fifth highest incarceration rate in the world behind El Salvador, Cuba, Rwanda, and Turkmenistan.
Waukesha
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invoice on the way
I'm done here
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So…….I wonder if the interim DePaul coach will switch anything up tonight?
GREEN! GREEN! GREEN!
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I walked through the loop and safely made it to Bistro Monadnock only being murdered thrice.
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I walked through the loop and safely made it to Bistro Monadnock only being murdered thrice.
You’d have been murdered 4 times if you were anywhere near Yellowstone
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You’d have been murdered 4 times if you were anywhere near Yellowstone
That Beth is a dangerous one.
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Waukesha
That doesn’t address my point. But it gives you feelings. I get it.
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If you're avoiding Chicagio bc of what you have heard about crime --- great more room for me. My family has been downtown 3 times since October and our biggest concern is when can we get back.
My wife and I stayed down there in October + November and had great times each weekend. We're late night people; we're in and out of bars well past midnight.
Then my wife took our two grade school age daughters there for 3 days over break. The only complaint was some stores were so busy they were waiting in line to get in.
My recommedation, turn off the news, get on the Amtrak and see one of the greatest cities in the world. If you're local to Milwaukee, consider it a blessing that God put you only 90 minutes away from this gem.
^^^this right here^^^
You're unfortunately Stage 5 News-Brained and/or a world-historic coward if you're afraid of Chicago. 🤣 seriously grow up people you're embarrassing yourselves 🤣
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If you're avoiding Chicagio bc of what you have heard about crime --- great more room for me. My family has been downtown 3 times since October and our biggest concern is when can we get back.
My wife and I stayed down there in October + November and had great times each weekend. We're late night people; we're in and out of bars well past midnight.
Then my wife took our two grade school age daughters there for 3 days over break. The only complaint was some stores were so busy they were waiting in line to get in.
My recommedation, turn off the news, get on the Amtrak and see one of the greatest cities in the world. If you're local to Milwaukee, consider it a blessing that God put you only 90 minutes away from this gem.
Thank you. Love my city.
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Thank you. Love my city.
I just realized how Milwaukee I sound bc I describe it as "downtown" vs "The Loop"
It's me, hi, I'm the rube, it's me
At car-jacking time, everybody agrees
I'll stare directly at the gun but never towards the loop
It must be exhausting always rooting for the Milwaukee rube
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Didn't realize that former IU, UAB and Texas Southern coach Mike Davis was still at Detroit Mercy. They are 0-20 this year (the first without his son on the team), so he will likely be gone after this season.
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Didn't realize that former IU, UAB and Texas Southern coach Mike Davis was still at Detroit Mercy. They are 0-20 this year (the first without his son on the team), so he will likely be gone after this season.
That's lower than DePaul.
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If you're avoiding Chicagio bc of what you have heard about crime --- great more room for me. My family has been downtown 3 times since October and our biggest concern is when can we get back.
My wife and I stayed down there in October + November and had great times each weekend. We're late night people; we're in and out of bars well past midnight.
Then my wife took our two grade school age daughters there for 3 days over break. The only complaint was some stores were so busy they were waiting in line to get in.
My recommedation, turn off the news, get on the Amtrak and see one of the greatest cities in the world. If you're local to Milwaukee, consider it a blessing that God put you only 90 minutes away from this gem.
I’ve lived in the heart of downtown Chicago and worked in the Loop for 5 years now: used to live a block from Portillo’s in River North, now a block from Lake Shore Drive and two from Michigan Ave. I absolutely love it, and have had a grand total of ZERO incidents in my entire time here. None. Zilch. Nada. Is that to say there aren’t parts of the city I wish were better? Of course not.
But the people who are “scared” of Chicago because of what $800 million poorer FOX News says are the same people who lined the highway thinking JFK had come back from the dead and was running as Trump’s VP (hysterical unnatural carnal knowledgeing video). If you have all these preconceived notions of Chicago based on garbage you hear, without experiencing it yourself, dare I say YOU are the triggered snowflake.
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I’ve lived in the heart of downtown Chicago and worked in the Loop for 5 years now: used to live a block from Portillo’s in River North, now a block from Lake Shore Drive and two from Michigan Ave. I absolutely love it, and have had a grand total of ZERO incidents in my entire time here. None. Zilch. Nada. Is that to say there aren’t parts of the city I wish were better? Of course not.
But the people who are “scared” of Chicago because of what $800 million poorer FOX News says are the same people who lined the highway thinking JFK had come back from the dead and was running as Trump’s VP (hysterical unnatural carnal knowledgeing video). If you have all these preconceived notions of Chicago based on garbage you hear, without experiencing it yourself, dare I say YOU are the triggered snowflake.
fake news? So msnbc, npr, cnn got it right? Wow! My buddies kid got jacked, but maybe he made that up. A story for attention. Thx.
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fake news? So msnbc, npr, cnn got it right? Wow! My buddies kid got jacked, but maybe he made that up. A story for attention. Thx.
The rate of violent crime in Chicago has decreased over the last 20 years. That's a fact.
The United States has a larger percentage of its population in prison than all but four other countries - none of which are western democracies. That's a fact.
But you live your life by anecdotes and feelings. I just don't take that seriously.
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fake news? So msnbc, npr, cnn got it right? Wow! My buddies kid got jacked, but maybe he made that up. A story for attention. Thx.
While I am sincerely sorry to hear that your buddy's kid got jacked - something that happens in major cities every day, unfortunately (and in some mid-sized and small towns too) - your anecdote is statistically meaningless.
It would be like me relaying my own anecdote: "My son's in-laws were at the 2022 Highland Park parade that was shot up by a gunman who shouldn't have had easy access to firearms, and one of their friends was wounded in the attack. Therefore, every parade in rich suburbs will be shot up, and nobody should ever attend a parade again."
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The thread ruiners are at it again.
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The thread ruiners are at it again.
Huh - my thread just says "You are ignoring this user. Show me the post." a bunch of times
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The rate of violent crime in Chicago has decreased over the last 20 years. That's a fact.
The United States has a larger percentage of its population in prison than all but four other countries - none of which are western democracies. That's a fact.
But you live your life by anecdotes and feelings. I just don't take that seriously.
talk about living in a bubble sucking in a false narrative!! Joe enjoys your support, comrade
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talk about living in a bubble sucking in a false narrative!! Joe enjoys your support, comrade
Statistics and facts are a "false narrative?" Huh.
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While I am sincerely sorry to hear that your buddy's kid got jacked - something that happens in major cities every day, unfortunately (and in some mid-sized and small towns too) - your anecdote is statistically meaningless.
It would be like me relaying my own anecdote: "My son's in-laws were at the 2022 Highland Park parade that was shot up by a gunman who shouldn't have had easy access to firearms, and one of their friends was wounded in the attack. Therefore, every parade in rich suburbs will be shot up, and nobody should ever attend a parade again."
dismissed like the good lefty you are. 82, living in the dream of is own imagination. You and Sulton…classics. I’d add News to your club, but he’s only 16. There’s some hope with him.
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Statistics and facts are a "false narrative?" Huh.
enjoy your America, Sult. Enjoy.
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enjoy your America, Sult. Enjoy.
I'm cool thanks. Because I live in the reality that stats and facts show me.
You live in an imagined world guided by what people tell you and how you feel about that. You haven't refuted a single fact that I have stated here. But hey...give us another anecdote.
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If you're avoiding Chicagio bc of what you have heard about crime --- great more room for me. My family has been downtown 3 times since October and our biggest concern is when can we get back.
My wife and I stayed down there in October + November and had great times each weekend. We're late night people; we're in and out of bars well past midnight.
Then my wife took our two grade school age daughters there for 3 days over break. The only complaint was some stores were so busy they were waiting in line to get in.
My recommedation, turn off the news, get on the Amtrak and see one of the greatest cities in the world. If you're local to Milwaukee, consider it a blessing that God put you only 90 minutes away from this gem.
So who was watching your girls while you and your wife were bar hopping.
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So who was watching your girls while you and your wife were bar hopping.
What an odd question. A babysitter? Family member? Did you never go on weekend getaways when your kids were little?
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So who was watching your girls while you and your wife were bar hopping.
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The replies in this thread to wake up to are something. We've got someone who think urban locations are a communist war zone trapping millions of people within its boarders and a person insinuating child neglect.
It's only 8:45 but I want to make some popcorn and pop a beer.
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The replies in this thread to wake up to are something. We've got someone who think urban locations are a communist war zone trapping millions of people within its boarders and a person insinuating child neglect.
It's only 8:45 but I want to make some popcorn and pop a beer.
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The replies in this thread to wake up to are something. We've got someone who think urban locations are a communist war zone trapping millions of people within its boarders and a person insinuating child neglect.
It's only 8:45 but I want to make some popcorn and pop a beer.
It's almost like the internet and 24 hour entertainment news cycle is a bad thing
Meet at Galway Bay for the free popcorn and a cold one?
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It's almost like the internet and 24 hour entertainment news cycle is a bad thing
Meet at Galway Bay for the free popcorn and a cold one?
Make it Monsignor Murphys and I'm in! Not allowed into Galway Bay as sponsor my hurling team's big rival.
https://twitter.com/ChiTownHurling
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Make it Monsignor Murphys and I'm in! Not allowed into Galway Bay as sponsor my hurling team's big rival.
https://twitter.com/ChiTownHurling
Haha. Literally had previously had MM instead of Galway
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Although I still believe a talented, but scandal plagued coach, is the best route for DePaul, one of the young coaches the Blue Demons may want to consider is Drew Valentine. He has done a solid job at Loyola as they have moved up a conference to A10, and of course already lives in Chicago. Wouldn't have to change any of his recruiting pattern either.
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Although I still believe a talented, but scandal plagued coach, is the best route for DePaul, one of the young coaches the Blue Demons may want to consider is Drew Valentine. He has done a solid job at Loyola as they have moved up a conference to A10, and of course already lives in Chicago. Wouldn't have to change any of his recruiting pattern either.
An A10 coach who gets a Big East job and doesn't change his recruiting pattern. Yep, that sounds on brand for a DePaul hire.
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I don't think its a terrible thought. He had a bad year last year, but has at least turned it around a bit. I think his energy is exactly what they need. But in the end he needs a bit more of a track record.
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Although I still believe a talented, but scandal plagued coach, is the best route for DePaul, one of the young coaches the Blue Demons may want to consider is Drew Valentine. He has done a solid job at Loyola as they have moved up a conference to A10, and of course already lives in Chicago. Wouldn't have to change any of his recruiting pattern either.
Still sort of believe it's gonna be Will Wade. But agree that Valentine would be a good fit.
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I really can't see De Paul hiring Wade anymore than I could see Marquette making the same decision.
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I don't think its a terrible thought. He had a bad year last year, but has at least turned it around a bit. I think his energy is exactly what they need. But in the end he needs a bit more of a track record.
It wasn't so much the "who" that caught my attention, but the "how." Suggesting that when moving from the A10 to Big East there would be no need to change the recruiting...well I think that's a recipe to stay in the Big East basement. If DePaul has any legitimate hope of ever being competitive in the Big East, they're going to need to recruit a different caliber kid than Loyola recruits. As I recall, that was the question some people asked about Moser -- "Can he recruit high-major talent?"
I have nothing at all against Valentine and he might be the perfect man for the job. But it's silly to suggest that he wouldn't need to change his recruiting focus in the new job. If he does get the job and he doesn't change his recruiting (and there is absolutely no reason to think he wouldn't)...well...that would just seem like a very DePaul thing to do. I would hope that DePaul's goal is to stop doing DePaul things so they can stop getting DePaul results. I suspect Valentine would agree.
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Oh yeah. I agree with that. Players can come from all over these days. The idea that somehow De Paul can just plug back into the CPS and all will be fine is a relic from 1985.
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StillaWarrior, you are describing the Mike Deane school of recruiting.
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Trilly's thoughts. Nothing surprising.
https://burnerball.com/coaching-search-depaul/
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Still sort of believe it's gonna be Will Wade. But agree that Valentine would be a good fit.
I heard rumblings that Chris Mack is in the mix
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Trilly's thoughts. Nothing surprising.
https://burnerball.com/coaching-search-depaul/
Bobby Hurley would be typical DePaul hire. Ok but not great High Major coach, just like Leito and Purnell.
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Bobby Hurley would be typical DePaul hire. Ok but not great High Major coach, just like Leito and Purnell.
OTOH, Hurley is probably ASU's best coach of the last 50 years. It's not a great program.
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Trilly's thoughts. Nothing surprising.
https://burnerball.com/coaching-search-depaul/
Never heard of Schertz but he seems like a great candidate. Runs an actual system, wouldn't rely on big fish recruiting success, could have a home there for a long time if he wanted it
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I heard rumblings that Chris Mack is in the mix
I hope not for his sake
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They should hire Shertz … or bring back
Mike Deane …. Either one would be a
Huge improvement over the clown show of the past 20 years.
And … as for other coaches.. are they really gonna believe the DP is now going to take this seriously?? And build new facilities that won’t be ready for 3 or 4 years !?
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They have a new President since Stubbs was hired. You are right to be a skeptic but who knows.
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Bobby Hurley would be typical DePaul hire. Ok but not great High Major coach, just like Leito and Purnell.
Big East would like Hurley vs Hurley on TV.
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Big East would like Hurley vs Hurley on TV.
I guess Mom and Dad Hurley would need to switch which bench they sit behind at halftime.
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I guess Mom and Dad Hurley would need to switch which bench they sit behind at halftime.
Or get similar shirts to the zeller parents
https://images.app.goo.gl/nMaA6c6PBiiW98xn6
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Shertz sounds like something you do when you find out you’ve been named the head coach at DePaul.
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I don't see Bobby Hurley coming to the Big East. I can't see anyone in the family wanting him to get bludgeoned by his brother twice a year.
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The rate of violent crime in Chicago has decreased over the last 20 years. That's a fact.
The United States has a larger percentage of its population in prison than all but four other countries - none of which are western democracies. That's a fact.
But you live your life by anecdotes and feelings. I just don't take that seriously.
Here's a fact for ya. Pistol whippings are the latest violent crime to be on the increase, hey?
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Here's a fact for ya. Pistol whippings are the latest violent crime to be on the increase, hey?
So are crimes by dentists according to what we’ve been seeing reported here
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Here's a fact for ya. Pistol whippings are the latest violent crime to be on the increase, hey?
But they aren’t violent crimes unless they’re homicides, I heard.
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So are crimes by dentists according to what we’ve been seeing reported here
I feel safer in Chicago than a dentist's chair.
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An A10 coach who gets a Big East job and doesn't change his recruiting pattern. Yep, that sounds on brand for a DePaul hire.
Obviously the caliber of player necessary to compete in The Big East is a step up from the A-10. What I meant by the comment , is Valentine is already selling recruits on the value of attending a University in Chicago. He has that sales pitch well rehearsed at this point.
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It helps to compare apples to apples.
Example: Someone compares the KenPom ratings of two coaches/programs.
As long as its P6 v P6 for example. Similar budgets, resources etc....
With non P6 league coaches, it's also tougher to make the NCAA Tourney. So I'm often looking more towards league domination than that. Winning 70% or more of league games etc...
A coach can be mid tier in a P6 league, not win 70% of league games, be top 40 or so and make the NCAA Tourney.
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https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/ncaab/college-basketball-hot-seat-bm01/
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https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/ncaab/college-basketball-hot-seat-bm01/
Would McDermott want the Ohio State job if offered? He always struck me as a Creighton lifer.
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https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/ncaab/college-basketball-hot-seat-bm01/
Fun read. Typical lazy fan type replacement projections. Lot's of high high major coaches making lateral moves. I just don't see high major coaches making lateral moves, and especially at the rate that fans and 'click bait' sites like to project.
McDermott to Ohio State - only for insane money
Pope to Washington - step down in conference
Oates to Michigan - UM has higher standards, right?
Smith to Minny - step down in conference
Miller to Louisville - big step down in conference
Not saying any one could happen, I just think fans and lazy media think this happens more than in reality.
+ I do like the Oregon State move from Tinkle to Sprinkle. :D
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It helps to compare apples to apples.
Example: Someone compares the KenPom ratings of two coaches/programs.
As long as its P6 v P6 for example. Similar budgets, resources etc....
With non P6 league coaches, it's also tougher to make the NCAA Tourney. So I'm often looking more towards league domination than that. Winning 70% or more of league games etc...
A coach can be mid tier in a P6 league, not win 70% of league games, be top 40 or so and make the NCAA Tourney.
No more P6; the PAC is dead.
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Fun read. Typical lazy fan type replacement projections. Lot's of high high major coaches making lateral moves. I just don't see high major coaches making lateral moves, and especially at the rate that fans and 'click bait' sites like to project.
McDermott to Ohio State - only for insane money
Pope to Washington - step down in conference
Oates to Michigan - UM has higher standards, right?
Smith to Minny - step down in conference
Miller to Louisville - big step down in conference
Not saying any one could happen, I just think fans and lazy media think this happens more than in reality.
+ I do like the Oregon State move from Tinkle to Sprinkle. :D
lol at thinking going from Cincinnati to Louisville is a step down
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lol at thinking going from Cincinnati to Louisville is a step down
And Utah to Minnesota.
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lol at thinking going from Cincinnati to Louisville is a step down
Agreed.
That's not what I wrote. In fact I didn't say any were steps down. "Lateral" moves in terms of power conferences with some noted moves to schools in worse conferences (relative to the P5).
Assuming Louisville is regrouping and figuring out it's financial issues, that one makes the most sense (hence the statement "Not saying any one could happen"). But I would not be surprised to see Louisville hire a non-P5 HC at a reasonable salary. FAU's HC?
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Agreed.
That's not what I wrote. In fact I didn't say any were steps down. "Lateral" moves in terms of power conferences with some noted moves to schools in worse conferences (relative to the P5).
Assuming Louisville is regrouping and figuring out it's financial issues, that one makes the most sense (hence the statement "Not saying any one could happen"). But I would not be surprised to see Louisville hire a non-P5 HC at a reasonable salary. FAU's HC?
Fine. You said big step down in conference which doesn’t matter when Louisville is still a top job regardless of conference.
And Minnesota will have far more money than Utah to spend moving forward.
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And Utah to Minnesota.
I'm going to chalk this up to people not having their coffee yet.
Re-read the post.
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Fine. You said big step down in conference which doesn’t matter when Louisville is still a top job regardless of conference.
And Minnesota will have far more money than Utah to spend moving forward.
We may or may not disagree on the individual opening; my point was the "lists" of replacement year-in and year-out project way more coaches moving between P5 jobs than actually happens.
While I would never, ever, underestimate the power of money, if it is as simple as dollars, Shaka days at MU are numbered. I don't see how he is not coaching at Penn State or Vanderbilt soon.
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We may or may not disagree on the individual opening; my point was the "lists" of replacement year-in and year-out project way more coaches moving between P5 jobs than actually happens.
While I would never, ever, underestimate the power of money, if it is as simple as dollars, Shaka days at MU are numbered. I don't see how he is not coaching at Penn State or Vanderbilt soon.
Craig Smith was born in Minnesota and was attached to the job when it was open in ‘21.
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Would McDermott want the Ohio State job if offered? He always struck me as a Creighton lifer.
Didn’t he reportedly turn it down the last time it was open?
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I'm going to chalk this up to people not having their coffee yet.
Re-read the post.
You said “step down in conference.” It isn’t.
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You said “step down in conference.” It isn’t.
Big10 better than B12? Interesting take.
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Big10 better than B12? Interesting take.
That’s not what he said. The Big 12 might be a better basketball conference but let’s not act like it’s going from the Big 12 to the Colonoal. The Big Ten is plenty good enough
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That’s not what he said. The Big 12 might be a better basketball conference but let’s not act like it’s going from the Big 12 to the Colonoal. The Big Ten is plenty good enough
I agree with that. You made my point better than I did. Going from Utah to Minny is not like going from Siena to Villanova. Utah is plenty good enough compared to Minny.
Again, I'm not getting into the individual cases, like a guy being from Minnesota, I'm pointing out the movement within the P5 HCs is not a common as fans and media like to project.
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Didn’t he reportedly turn it down the last time it was open?
I think they picked Holtmann over him.
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The Muss bus will be coaching L’Ville next year anyways. Then the dominoes will fall. This is a fun argument to follow though.
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Wasn’t the step down in conference a reference to going from the Big 12 (Cincinnati) vs. the ACC (Louisville)? That is now an accurate statement although the Louisville job is still better.
I thought Cincinnati and Louisville were in the Metro Conference…
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Wasn’t the step down in conference a reference to going from the Big 12 (Cincinnati) vs. the ACC (Louisville)? That is now an accurate statement although the Louisville job is still better.
I thought Cincinnati and Louisville were in the Metro Conference…
It was in reference to B12 v ACC. The point is not to say definitively L'ville is not better than Cincy, but not nearly the same as when Cincy was AAC. The B12 generates more money than the ACC (and the gap will only grow) so Cincy can be a very good job and frankly Louisville is not what it used to be. But in my opinion Louisville is the better job and money doesn't always make a better job.
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It was in reference to B12 v ACC. The point is not to say definitively L'ville is not better than Cincy, but not nearly the same as when Cincy was AAC. The B12 generates more money than the ACC (and the gap will only grow) so Cincy can be a very good job and frankly Louisville is not what it used to be. But in my opinion Louisville is the better job and money doesn't always make a better job.
It’s hands down a better job than Cincinnati
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We'll see if Louisville makes a run at Shaka like many of their reporters have alluded to. Im not worried but Louisville has a lot of money to offer.
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We'll see if Louisville makes a run at Shaka like many of their reporters have alluded to. Im not worried but Louisville has a lot of money to offer.
I would be shocked if he went to Louisville.
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We'll see if Louisville makes a run at Shaka like many of their reporters have alluded to. Im not worried but Louisville has a lot of money to offer.
The lists I've seen includes Shaka, Wright, Sampson, Dan Hurley, Few, Scott Drew and Oates.
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Is that all?
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We'll see if Louisville makes a run at Shaka like many of their reporters have alluded to. Im not worried but Louisville has a lot of money to offer.
I'm not concerned. At Texas, he got out of Dodge before the sheriff arrived. After building up a ton of goodwill at Marquette, why leave for a place like Louisville? Look at what they did to Chris Mack.
I think the coaching pendulum is swinging towards staying in stable situations instead of always pursuing the next job. Why leave to be the next Tom Crean or Chris Mack, when you can stay and be the next Jay Wright?
Places like Louisville and Ohio State can dream of landing Shaka. They can send out feelers to gage interest. But ultimately, I think MU ponies up some cash and Shaka stays. To quote the man himself, "this is the place to be."
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Is that all?
Right?
The list was that impressive when they hired Payne.
I think Louisville is a terrific job; great tradition, great facilities, great fans, little academic concerns and a very good conference. It should be interesting. Also, lots of speculation that Payne is still there due financial issues.
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I’d guess there are very few (<6) jobs that Shaka would consider and that Louisville isn’t one of them. Ohio State certainly is not.
Even if one of those very few opened up this offseason, it’s hard to imagine him walking away given the state of this program. Probably something we don’t have to worry about for at least a few more seasons.
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I’d guess there are very few (<6) jobs that Shaka would consider and that Louisville isn’t one of them. Ohio State certainly is not.
Even if one of those very few opened up this offseason, it’s hard to imagine him walking away given the state of this program. Probably something we don’t have to worry about for at least a few more seasons.
Would you put Kentucky in that short list?
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Would you put Kentucky in that short list?
Yes — I almost mentioned Kentucky as a specific example for this offseason. That would be a real test anytime it opens up, but again, I just can’t see Shaka leaving after these three seasons.
It’s clear relationships between coaches, admin, and boosters are very good right now. Money isn’t going to be an issue. Lord knows the future couldn’t be brighter in terms of player talent and chemistry. The only x-factor I could think of is how Shaka and his family are enjoying living in MKE. If for some reason in the future they want to move (maybe back to the mid-Atlantic), that could spell trouble. But there’s no indication we have cause for concern there.
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Yes — I almost mentioned Kentucky as a specific example for this offseason. That would be a real test anytime it opens up, but again, I just can’t see Shaka leaving after these three seasons.
It’s clear relationships between coaches, admin, and boosters are very good right now. Money isn’t going to be an issue. Lord knows the future couldn’t be brighter in terms of player talent and chemistry. The only x-factor I could think of is how Shaka and his family are enjoying living in MKE. If for some reason in the future they want to move (maybe back to the mid-Atlantic), that could spell trouble. But there’s no indication we have cause for concern there.
I couldn't blame anyone for taking the Kentucky job. I think 1/3 of NBA coaches would consider it.
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https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/ncaab/college-basketball-hot-seat-bm01/
This is a hilariously bad article. They got Danny Sprinkle’s school wrong, he’s at Utah St, not Tech.
Also, Randy Bennett has been at St Mary’s for 20+ years. He’s got complete job security and is paid pretty well. He’s turned down interest in legitimately good jobs before, but now at 61 he’s gonna leave for a bad job in Tempe? It’s like watching McKillop stay at Davidson all those years and then saying he was the choice for an opening at VT or UGA
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Yes — I almost mentioned Kentucky as a specific example for this offseason. That would be a real test anytime it opens up, but again, I just can’t see Shaka leaving after these three seasons.
It’s clear relationships between coaches, admin, and boosters are very good right now. Money isn’t going to be an issue. Lord knows the future couldn’t be brighter in terms of player talent and chemistry. The only x-factor I could think of is how Shaka and his family are enjoying living in MKE. If for some reason in the future they want to move (maybe back to the mid-Atlantic), that could spell trouble. But there’s no indication we have cause for concern there.
The fact that Shaka is from Wisconsin makes the Marquette job an even better fit for him.
I would think conference turmoil like what happened in 2013 is a bigger concern long term but the Big East seems to be in a great spot right now.
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With all the trouble Shaka got into at Texas with boosters thinking he wasn’t recruiting good enough, you honestly think he’d be interested in Kentucky?
I am way more worried about what happens when Lovell or Scholl leave.
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I do not see Kentucky on Shaka's list. The memory of how Tubby Smith was treated is still too fresh.
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The lists I've seen includes Shaka, Wright, Sampson, Dan Hurley, Few, Scott Drew and Oates.
Nah Shaka to T A&M after buzz leaves because they're messing with happy. Wardle to MU
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I couldn't blame anyone for taking the Kentucky job. I think 1/3 of NBA coaches would consider it.
Most NBA coaches are over having to answer to mommies and daddies, having to deal with recruiting, and now having to deal with the transfer portal and NIL.
Maybe an NBA coach on the hot seat who doubts he could get another NBA job would be interested in Kentucky or any high-major DI job, but that's about it.
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Yeah NBA coaches aren’t wanting Kentucky.
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Maybe an NBA coach on the hot seat who doubts he could get another NBA job would be interested in Kentucky or any high-major DI job, but that's about it.
Or in other words, about 1/3 of the NBA coaches? :D
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With all the trouble Shaka got into at Texas with boosters thinking he wasn’t recruiting good enough, you honestly think he’d be interested in Kentucky?
I am way more worried about what happens when Lovell or Scholl leave.
Lovell can leave anytime. Tomorrow would be great.
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Lovell can leave anytime. Tomorrow would be great.
??? Are you kidding? He’s been great for the school. And Shaka loves him.
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??? Are you kidding? He’s been great for the school. And Shaka loves him.
we are aligned in our disagreement. Harmony.
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Lovell is awesome.
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Lovell can leave anytime. Tomorrow would be great.
Why? What has he done that's upset or disappointed you?
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Lovell is awesome.
The university has slimmed down, better financial footing, record levels of fundraising, basketball has been great, responding to the needs of the community…
He may have started slow but he’s knocking it out of the park. And a faithful Catholic to boot. I can’t understand why anyone would want him gone.
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Taught we were good since Shaka is knockin' down his crib and buildin' another on da same site, hey?
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Why? What has he done that's upset or disappointed you?
in person over a beer, happy to discuss. Here? Pass.
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in person over a beer, happy to discuss. Here? Pass.
“Too woke”
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A buddy in Ann Arbor said the athletic admin is hoping Juwan Howard resigns…don’t want to fire a legend. And if he doesn’t, they’ll role status quo one more season. Similar sentiment out of Bloomington. I don’t believe Shaka would want either job…I’d argue MU is the better gig for many reasons, but could you imagine losing another HC to IU? My bro-in-law thinks UW makes a hard run at Shaka if the Badg flame out early in this post season. I think MU is the better gig than what Red offers, too.
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Viper
You want Lovell gone?
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Gard isn’t getting let go at Madison. That’s just silly.
And the chance of Shaka going there is about 0.0%
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Viper
You want Lovell gone?
Goose, I do. Beer summit conversation, however.
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Goose, I do. Beer summit conversation, however.
🙄🙄🙄
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Gard isn’t getting let go at Madison. That’s just silly.
And the chance of Shaka going there is about 0.0%
I don't think chance is that high, but we'll agree to disagree.
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Gard isn’t getting let go at Madison. That’s just silly.
And the chance of Shaka going there is about 0.0%
I’ll agree with you on both counts. (Gard isn’t a bad coach. Not a lot of pizazz, but they are having a solid season coming off the NIT.) There will be some openings in the BIG, for sure. Holtmann at Ohio St and McCaffrey at Iowa seem strong possibilities to go.
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Viper first mentioned his dislike of Lovell in his 3rd post ever. He has been consistent.
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Viper first mentioned his dislike of Lovell in his 3rd post ever. He has been consistent.
Consistency even when circumstances change isn't a necessarily a positive quality.
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Shaka is not leaving and Scholl / Lovell have relatively little determination in that.
No disrespect to Scholl who is a phenomenal AD.
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Viper
Would welcome that beer summit.
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A buddy in Ann Arbor said the athletic admin is hoping Juwan Howard resigns…don’t want to fire a legend. And if he doesn’t, they’ll role status quo one more season. Similar sentiment out of Bloomington. I don’t believe Shaka would want either job…I’d argue MU is the better gig for many reasons, but could you imagine losing another HC to IU? My bro-in-law thinks UW makes a hard run at Shaka if the Badg flame out early in this post season. I think MU is the better gig than what Red offers, too.
#DoneDealHiroshimaV2, Shaka to University of Wisconsin Hyphen Madison. Source? Goodman and Viper's brother in law, very reputable. Don't question it.
Viper, got any other hot scoops from your brother in law, since the team has the week off?
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Karim Mane is the great hope for MU.
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Lovell can leave anytime. Tomorrow would be great.
Dope
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Karim Mane is the great hope for MU.
Do we think he, Grimes & Nico Mannion get together and compare notes?
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Karim Mane is the great hope for MU.
Green weenie, aina?
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#DoneDealHiroshimaV2, Shaka to University of Wisconsin Hyphen Madison. Source? Goodman and Viper's brother in law, very reputable. Don't question it.
Viper, got any other hot scoops from your brother in law, since the team has the week off?
I believe Viper’s brother-in-law is a Badgers fan who knows saying things like that will send Viper off the deep end.
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Gard isn’t getting let go at Madison. That’s just silly.
And the chance of Shaka going there is about 0.0%
I'd typically agree but I've seen Craig Counsell and Ed Cooley do some things.
Marquette is a better spot, and absolutely better for Shaka. I think he knows that.
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I'd typically agree but I've seen Craig Counsell and Ed Cooley do some things.
Marquette is a better spot, and absolutely better for Shaka. I think he knows that.
NBA POBO, that’s it. That’s the tweet.
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Schertz will be a good hire for whichever high major school gives him a job. Seems like a great coach and I’m looking forward to watching Indiana State play in the tourney.
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in person over a beer, happy to discuss. Here? Pass.
Let’s do it!
Though I would think that if you have no problem saying here that he should be fired, you also should have no trouble saying here why … I’d be happy to chat with you over a beer.
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Real men have meat summits, aina?
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Let’s do it!
Though I would think that if you have no problem saying here that he should be fired, you also should have no trouble saying here why … I’d be happy to chat with you over a beer.
Secret cancel culture
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Viper first mentioned his dislike of Lovell in his 3rd post ever. He has been consistent.
kind of freaky…like, very.
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Viper
Would welcome that beer summit.
let me know…a HooplaScoopfest ! 🍺
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Let’s do it!
Though I would think that if you have no problem saying here that he should be fired, you also should have no trouble saying here why … I’d be happy to chat with you over a beer.
I didn’t say get let go. If I said somewhere prior that I want Lovell fired, I retract that. But, I’d prefer he go. Definitely.
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Consistency even when circumstances change isn't a necessarily a positive quality.
In Johnston Hall room 101, kids, is Sultan. He’ll be lecturing on the simplicity of the Four Corners Offense…Human Nature & Morality. 3 credits.
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Dope
thx. So, expressing a thought is not allowed, comrade? …and bold behind the keyboard, I see.
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I believe Viper’s brother-in-law is a Badgers fan who knows saying things like that will send Viper off the deep end.
naw, he’s dung (bro-in-law) 😂
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Real men have meat summits, aina?
is Rocket the party planer?
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Lovell doesn’t hate RED enough. Gotta go.
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In Johnston Hall room 101, kids, is Sultan. He’ll be lecturing on the simplicity of the Four Corners Offense…Human Nature & Morality. 3 credits.
Post of the week.
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Consistency even when circumstances change isn't a necessarily a positive quality.
a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds
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Trilly Donovan hinted that there could be one coach in each of the Big East and Big Twelve that may not be as happy as they appear and could shake up the coaching world.
Who do we think they are?
McDermott? Miller? Tang?
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Trilly Donovan hinted that there could be one coach in each of the Big East and Big Twelve that may not be as happy as they appear and could shake up the coaching world.
Who do we think they are?
McDermott? Miller? Tang?
Probably Pitino with all his complaining lately.
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Trilly Donovan hinted that there could be one coach in each of the Big East and Big Twelve that may not be as happy as they appear and could shake up the coaching world.
Who do we think they are?
McDermott? Miller? Tang?
Maybe that was stubblefield
But seriously I'd wager McDermott as he's been linked to other jobs but it could also be someone fairly new, maybe a super small school like PC wasn't as big time as English expected?
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McDermott and Moser?
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McDermott and Moser?
Bingo
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McDermott and Moser?
McD has a newish AD on the plantation.
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Bingo
Nice. I know Mac and his AD have had friction, and Oklahoma always seemed like a weird fit for Moser.
Between Moser and DeVries, Creighton wouldn't have to go outside of the family to land a solid replacement.
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McDermott and Moser?
They can swap jobs.
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They can swap jobs.
I was just about to post the same thing!
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Trilly Donovan hinted that there could be one coach in each of the Big East and Big Twelve that may not be as happy as they appear
I'll rule out Cooley since he openly appears unhappy.
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McDermott to Ohio State, Moser to Creighton?
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It’s Shaka. Setting the stage to take the Louisville job
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McDermott to Ohio State, Moser to Creighton?
Idk why, but it just sounds right.
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It’s Shaka. Setting the stage to take the Louisville job
They have football.
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It’s Shaka. Setting the stage to take the Louisville job
Shaka to Madison. Gard to Marquette. Gard will show us how to beat…Gard.
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I suspect McDermott wishes he’d taken the ND job, which is weird because that job is a death sentence in the ACC.
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I suspect McDermott wishes he’d taken the ND job, which is weird because that job is a death sentence in the ACC.
Curious, why to you suspect that?
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It’s Shaka. Setting the stage to take the Louisville job
And Wardle will come home!
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I'll rule out Cooley since he openly appears unhappy.
If we're going with visibly unhappy, no one beats Holloway.
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McDermott and Moser?
It almost has to be McDermott. No one else has really been around long enough!
I wonder if the Big 12 coach is Jamie Dixon. I know he's an alum there, but he received some criticism late last year from some fans for how the season ended.
I also wonder if he might be heading to De Paul - remember his sister was an assistant there for a number of years before she died and he has talked about how much she loved the place.
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Dixon to DePaul would really surprise me. He seems too good for that job.
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Dixon to DePaul would really surprise me. He seems too good for that job.
You're likely correct...but it wouldn't surprise me to see him elsewhere next year.
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Dixon to DePaul would really surprise me. He seems too good for that job.
Yeah, the idea that a 58 year old guy with 483 D1 wins and a .681 winning percentage would go to a dumpster fire like DePaul because his late sister enjoyed her time as an assistant for the women’s team seems far fetched.
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McDermott to Ohio State, Moser to Creighton?
Moser to DePaul
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Yeah, the idea that a 58 year old guy with 483 D1 wins and a .681 winning percentage would go to a dumpster fire like DePaul because his late sister enjoyed her time as an assistant for the women’s team seems far fetched.
That may be. But I don’t think Dixon is long for TCU. His record there has been pretty Wojo-esque, including some internal complaints last year.
I’ve hear Will Wade thrown around, but I find that way more far fetched than Dixon.
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I think Moser for DePaul is more likely than Dixon. It's a worse job, but if you went from living in Chicago to Norman, Ok you might be willing to take a worse job to move back
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I think Moser for DePaul is more likely than Dixon. It's a worse job, but if you went from living in Chicago to Norman, Ok you might be willing to take a worse job to move back
It's a worse job now. Seriously, though, I do recognize that it is a worse job for the foreseeable future -- maybe forever.
That said, these coaches have huge egos. Moser might well see what DePaul "could become" and believe he's the guy who can take it there. If DePaul is serious about this -- and I'm skeptical -- and will commit the resources to coach, staff, and players, I could see Moser being very intrigued by the opportunity to return to Chicago, play in the Big East, and restore DePaul to respectability.
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I'm actually intrigued by the DePaul opening.
Sure, the current situation is a dumpster fire featuring toxic waste, but the right coach with the right contacts can make all the difference in the world. Look at how fast Coach Shaka turned around our dumpster fire-to-be program. We're a Top 10 team now. Five years ago, we were more a candidate for "What Happened to..."
Can the right coach do that at DePaul? Well, think about it! Using the transfer portal to build out three, maybe four starters while the coach begins a recruiting process (or builds on one he/she already started at another university). DePaul plays in one of the best basketball conferences in the country with two potential Final Four teams. The Chicago market is fertile as a recruiting and media grounds. With a little bit of personality and some hard marketing work, some of the lazy reporters over at the Tribune and Sun Times will start covering you. Ditto for TV.
The one drawback to the DePaul job will be getting the NIL accounts up to a level that can draw stud recruits. I don't know how deep the alumni pockets are there nor do I know whether there's any desire among key alumni to rebirth DePaul basketball.
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It's a worse job now. Seriously, though, I do recognize that it is a worse job for the foreseeable future -- maybe forever.
That said, these coaches have huge egos. Moser might well see what DePaul "could become" and believe he's the guy who can take it there. If DePaul is serious about this -- and I'm skeptical -- and will commit the resources to coach, staff, and players, I could see Moser being very intrigued by the opportunity to return to Chicago, play in the Big East, and restore DePaul to respectability.
Your take is pretty much where I am on Moser to DePaul. He has money independent of basketball and, like Shaka, seems to not be as money-prestige-publicity hungry as most coaches (but I am not suggesting that those things are not a factor either). Scoopers have poked fun at Moser but he has proven himself to be a very solid coach. Due to his age, DePaul would likely be his last stop and DP may understand that they need to give their next coach time to resurrect their awful program and make it at least somewhat respectable. Even with transfers, it will take time. Like Georgetown, they have almost no fan base. That may be more difficult to rebuild so that home court advantage actually means something.
Edit: crossed posts with dgies. His last line is spot on.
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I'm actually intrigued by the DePaul opening.
Sure, the current situation is a dumpster fire featuring toxic waste, but the right coach with the right contacts can make all the difference in the world. Look at how fast Coach Shaka turned around our dumpster fire-to-be program. We're a Top 10 team now. Five years ago, we were more a candidate for "What Happened to..."
Can the right coach do that at DePaul? Well, think about it! Using the transfer portal to build out three, maybe four starters while the coach begins a recruiting process (or builds on one he/she already started at another university). DePaul plays in one of the best basketball conferences in the country with two potential Final Four teams. The Chicago market is fertile as a recruiting and media grounds. With a little bit of personality and some hard marketing work, some of the lazy reporters over at the Tribune and Sun Times will start covering you. Ditto for TV.
The one drawback to the DePaul job will be getting the NIL accounts up to a level that can draw stud recruits. I don't know how deep the alumni pockets are there nor do I know whether there's any desire among key alumni to rebirth DePaul basketball.
The COO of Citadel is the head of their BoT. They have alumni with cash. One example, but it’s not like they can’t get “boosters” involved.
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McDermott to Ohio State, Moser to Creighton DePaul?
That would be my guess. And Alan Huss to Creighton. He already has won 20 games in his first season at High Point and has them at their highest kenpom rank ever. He was likely involved in Creighton recruiting for much of the current roster. He also completely overhauled the High Point roster to get them to where they are, so he's showing he can do the quick rebuild.
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I'm actually intrigued by the DePaul opening.
Sure, the current situation is a dumpster fire featuring toxic waste, but the right coach with the right contacts can make all the difference in the world. Look at how fast Coach Shaka turned around our dumpster fire-to-be program. We're a Top 10 team now. Five years ago, we were more a candidate for "What Happened to..."
Can the right coach do that at DePaul? Well, think about it! Using the transfer portal to build out three, maybe four starters while the coach begins a recruiting process (or builds on one he/she already started at another university). DePaul plays in one of the best basketball conferences in the country with two potential Final Four teams. The Chicago market is fertile as a recruiting and media grounds. With a little bit of personality and some hard marketing work, some of the lazy reporters over at the Tribune and Sun Times will start covering you. Ditto for TV.
The one drawback to the DePaul job will be getting the NIL accounts up to a level that can draw stud recruits. I don't know how deep the alumni pockets are there nor do I know whether there's any desire among key alumni to rebirth DePaul basketball.
Uh no. Don't even begin to compare Marquette in 2021 to DePaul for the last 25 years. They're nothing alike, not even remotely.
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Things have worked out well for Marquette and Shaka Smart so far, Hopefully he can keep it going and add to it.
Moser is a good coach too.
KenPom Shaka first 3 seasons at Texas:
39, 70, 36. (25, 61, 26)
KenPom Moser first 3 seasons at OU:
30, 54, 21.
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I could see Moser at DePaul. Oklahoma struck me as he had it in his mind he was taking any high major role he could find.
I think he could establish a culture at DePaul that doesn't necessarily need the tip recruits, but have an identity and fundamental style of play. Something they've sorely missed for a long time. They seemed to just try and recruit the best athletes they could.
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Uh no. Don't even begin to compare Marquette in 2021 to DePaul for the last 25 years. They're nothing alike, not even remotely.
Brother Hards:
Sadly, we were closer than you think to being like DePaul. In the 1980s, we went on a downward spiral that was only saved by Kevin O'Neill. People who remember us as one of the top teams in college basketball remember us because of Al McGuire. Al is every bit ancient history as is the Meyers.
We made a Final Four in 2003 but could not sustain the excellence. We have been on a roller coaster ride ever since. Hopefully, we are in a state of sustained excellence now!
The difference over the years is we tried. I'm not sure Jean Lenti-Ponsetto and the DePaul brass did.
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Brother Hards:
Sadly, we were closer than you think to being like DePaul. In the 1980s, we went on a downward spiral that was only saved by Kevin O'Neill. People who remember us as one of the top teams in college basketball remember us because of Al McGuire. Al is every bit ancient history as is the Meyers.
We made a Final Four in 2003 but could not sustain the excellence. We have been on a roller coaster ride ever since. Hopefully, we are in a state of sustained excellence now!
The difference over the years is we tried. I'm not sure Jean Lenti-Ponsetto and the DePaul brass did.
I did say 2021. Because you referenced the Wojo era.
Sure, back in the day (let 80s) we were sliding that direction, but since KO we've been fine, and since we've joined the Big East we've been fine.
DePaul is in an abysmal state not because of coaching, but because they have a terrible athletic department. They're more than a good coach away from relevancy. They need an entire overhaul throughout the athletic department.
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Brother Hards:
Sadly, we were closer than you think to being like DePaul. In the 1980s, we went on a downward spiral that was only saved by Kevin O'Neill. People who remember us as one of the top teams in college basketball remember us because of Al McGuire. Al is every bit ancient history as is the Meyers.
We made a Final Four in 2003 but could not sustain the excellence. We have been on a roller coaster ride ever since. Hopefully, we are in a state of sustained excellence now!
The difference over the years is we tried. I'm not sure Jean Lenti-Ponsetto and the DePaul brass did.
Sure, we didn't make multiple FF runs, but the 5 years after the FF would be a dream run for DePaul. I think you undersell how good MU's program has been in the 2000s.
Even the Wojo era would have DePaul fans thrilled.
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Scoopers have poked fun at Moser
I can't speak for my fellow Scoopers, but I'm really poking fun at those who thought we should have hired Moser instead of Shaka. At least one of those people wanted Moser because he's white.
It took Moser forever to do anything at Loyola - most schools wouldn't have been anywhere near as patient, and would have fired him. But once he finally got the program winning, he obviously had success there. And he's done A-OK at Okla.
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DePaul has 61 Big East wins in 17.5 seasons.
Wojo had 59 Big East wins in 7 seasons.
Shaka has 36 Big East wins in 2.5 seasons.
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DePaul has 61 Big East wins in 17.5 seasons.
Wojo had 59 Big East wins in 7 seasons.
Shaka has 36 Big East wins in 2.5 seasons.
Yeah the idea we were anywhere close to DePaul at the end of Wojo is laughable. Depauls been in the big east as long as we have and their crowning achievement is being close to the tournament in 2007 akin to Wojo's medium year in 2018. That means even the worst coach in the history of CBB, over 7 years, had 4 years better or on par with DePaul's absolute best season in the past 20yrs.
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My question is, if Creighton comes open would Moser prefer them to DePaul?
Creighton is the much better job. DePaul has arguably been the worst high major for over a decade.
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I can't speak for my fellow Scoopers, but I'm really poking fun at those who thought we should have hired Moser instead of Shaka. At least one of those people wanted Moser because he's white.
It took Moser forever to do anything at Loyola - most schools wouldn't have been anywhere near as patient, and would have fired him. But once he finally got the program winning, he obviously had success there. And he's done A-OK at Okla.
who on Scoop wanted Moser based on race?
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DePaul has 61 Big East wins in 17.5 seasons.
Wojo had 59 Big East wins in 7 seasons.
Shaka has 36 Big East wins in 2.5 seasons.
We matched 28% of DePaul's total Big East wins last season alone.
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I can't speak for my fellow Scoopers, but I'm really poking fun at those who thought we should have hired Moser instead of Shaka. At least one of those people wanted Moser because he's white.
It took Moser forever to do anything at Loyola - most schools wouldn't have been anywhere near as patient, and would have fired him. But once he finally got the program winning, he obviously had success there. And he's done A-OK at Okla.
Which is ironic because you spent a 6 year period posting every time Texas lost on here and telling everyone about his postseason failures.
Or, said in an 82 way, "You posted a gazillion times over the last 900 years telling us when Little Sister's of the poor beat Shaka's heroes. But he'll have better luck here and I have faith going into every game that he'll have our heroes ready to go! Of course I'm realistic enough to know that he won't win all bajillion games he coaches here, that's not reality! But we're fans, it doesn't hurt to have hope! Go Marquette!"
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Yeah the idea we were anywhere close to DePaul at the end of Wojo is laughable. Depauls been in the big east as long as we have and their crowning achievement is being close to the tournament in 2007 akin to Wojo's medium year in 2018. That means even the worst coach in the history of CBB, over 7 years, had 4 years better or on par with DePaul's absolute best season in the past 20yrs.
Yeah, it is dumb, with no basis in actual history (Marquette's or DePaul's). Though it really only comes from one poster who repeats it ad nauseam.
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Which is ironic because you spent a 6 year period posting every time Texas lost on here and telling everyone about his postseason failures.
Or, said in an 82 way, "You posted a gazillion times over the last 900 years telling us when Little Sister's of the poor beat Shaka's heroes. But he'll have better luck here and I have faith going into every game that he'll have our heroes ready to go! Of course I'm realistic enough to know that he won't win all bajillion games he coaches here, that's not reality! But we're fans, it doesn't hurt to have hope! Go Marquette!"
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I can't speak for my fellow Scoopers, but I'm really poking fun at those who thought we should have hired Moser instead of Shaka. At least one of those people wanted Moser because he's white.
It took Moser forever to do anything at Loyola - most schools wouldn't have been anywhere near as patient, and would have fired him. But once he finally got the program winning, he obviously had success there. And he's done A-OK at Okla.
Speaking only about basketball:
Prior to Moser, Loyola had made one NCAA Tourney in 33 years. It had been 1 in 50 years. Loyola has won 3 recent regular season league titles. They have 7 all time.
Are these “Most schools” or “Most schools similar to Loyola.” Gotta compare apples to apples. I think part of the issue is a few to some people were comparing Shaka at Texas and Moser at Loyola which isn’t exactly a fair apples to apples comparison.
Things are going well with MUBB and Shaka. Obviously Moser is a good coach too. There were other good candidates too.
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If I was Moser I would take the DePaul job in one second. He likely is not retiring from OK, he is a Chicago guy and can hold them up for a big contract. If he has success he can retire there, if he fails he will have a big payday regardless.
I'm not pro or anti Moser but I don't think he moves the needle so much that there are going to be many bigger opportunities to hit the lottery than DePaul. He is probably a perfect guy for that job.
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If I was Moser I would take the DePaul job in one second. He likely is not retiring from OK, he is a Chicago guy and can hold them up for a big contract. If he has success he can retire there, if he fails he will have a big payday regardless.
Agreed. And the bar for “success” is very low there.
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If I was Moser I would take the DePaul job in one second. He likely is not retiring from OK, he is a Chicago guy and can hold them up for a big contract. If he has success he can retire there, if he fails he will have a big payday regardless.
I'm not pro or anti Moser but I don't think he moves the needle so much that there are going to be many bigger opportunities to hit the lottery than DePaul. He is probably a perfect guy for that job.
I wouldn't. I'd use DePaul as bait to get a bigger pay day.
Obviously, Norman isn't Chicago, but it would be miserable to lose all the time and have to fight the AD for everything.
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If I was Moser I would take the DePaul job in one second. He likely is not retiring from OK, he is a Chicago guy and can hold them up for a big contract. If he has success he can retire there, if he fails he will have a big payday regardless.
I'm not pro or anti Moser but I don't think he moves the needle so much that there are going to be many bigger opportunities to hit the lottery than DePaul. He is probably a perfect guy for that job.
Yea at this point he’s extremely over qualified for that job.
He’s proven both at Loyola, and now in one of the top conferences in the country, that he can bring good results.
He’s a Chicago guy that has wanted the BE for years. He’s still young and energetic and has a point to prove.
He would be a home run hire for DePaul and would turn the program around in 3-5 years imo
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who on Scoop wanted Moser based on race?
It was only nolonger, who doesn’t really count I guess.
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Loyola is a better job than DePaul. UIC may be a better job than DePaul. I recognize people thinking DU may be a sleeping giant due to their conference affiliation, their geographical proximity to strong high school talent, their rich basketball tradition, etc. If only they could find the right coach. If only they could get the administration to fully support. If only….
A big difference between MU and DU is the proximity of the stadium to campus. Student support at MU is awesome - being so close to the stadium is a big part of that. DU will never have a stadium close to campus and students will therefore never get behind them.
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A big difference between MU and DU is the proximity of the stadium to campus. Student support at MU is awesome - being so close to the stadium is a big part of that. DU will never have a stadium close to campus and students will therefore never get behind them.
Don't other BE schools have similar problem with proximity to their arenas? Some have an on-campus place plus an arena- St. Johns, Nova, and... anybody else? Yes, Marquette but I am not counting the Al as the men's team so rarely plays there. I think MSG and the arenas for SH, Nova, UCONN (Hartford), DC's Capital One Center and possibly others are not very close (although GT students could walk to the arena). Fortunately, good metro service can get you to most arenas pretty easily, that is if you really want to go to the games.
IF DP finally gets serious about their entire program, in perhaps 4-5 years DP could have an enthusiastic student section. I don't know the percentage of townies at DP, as they are probably less likely to attend games. Note that I am not in any way suggesting DP will have a Marquette level fan base. But they could have more than the really embarrassing turnouts that we see on TV.
Both DePaul and Georgetown's student enthusiasm, or rather the lack thereof, is due primarily to umm...other factors.
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Loyola is a better job than DePaul. UIC may be a better job than DePaul. I recognize people thinking DU may be a sleeping giant due to their conference affiliation, their geographical proximity to strong high school talent, their rich basketball tradition, etc. If only they could find the right coach. If only they could get the administration to fully support. If only….
A big difference between MU and DU is the proximity of the stadium to campus. Student support at MU is awesome - being so close to the stadium is a big part of that. DU will never have a stadium close to campus and students will therefore never get behind them.
The reason why DePaul students don't go to DePaul games has little to do with location. It's because their team is dreadful. If Marquette had a 3-20 team, would you take a 25 min walk, a 17 minute bus, or a 7 min uber to Fiserv?
It's a 30 min red line ride from DePaul's campus to Wintrust arena, or 40 min on the brown line. I'd argue it takes longer, but is slightly more comfortable (you're in a heated train) to actually get to. Public transit is easy and convenient in Chicago.
Chicago and Milwaukee both offer a lot to students. Marquette's product makes trekking to Fiserv in sub-30 degree weather worth it. DePaul's inspires less than 1000 a game to trek in to Wintrust.
If DePaul puts a tourney team on the floor, the students will come back. It will take time, but they will be back. Just think of all of the NoJo fans who swore they'd never buy season tickets again after the Wojo years, but are now filling the Fiserv up to standing room only.
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Butler and X are the only schools that play all their home games on campus.
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Loyola is a better job than DePaul. UIC may be a better job than DePaul. I recognize people thinking DU may be a sleeping giant due to their conference affiliation, their geographical proximity to strong high school talent, their rich basketball tradition, etc. If only they could find the right coach. If only they could get the administration to fully support. If only….
A big difference between MU and DU is the proximity of the stadium to campus. Student support at MU is awesome - being so close to the stadium is a big part of that. DU will never have a stadium close to campus and students will therefore never get behind them.
Nope.
DePaul is the better job.
Especially in NIL era.
You can turn any high major team around in a few seasons.
Unfortunately for Loyola fans, it will never have as high an upside as DePaul and Porter knows that.
That’s not saying Loyola isn’t a good program, but it’s the Big East
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De Paul being in the BE makes it a better program than Loyola or UIC. They have the ability to turn it around but they must hire the right coach - something they haven't done in a LONG time.
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DePaul needs commitment and guidance from their administration and athletic department. Think of it like neighborhoods. DePaul might be in a great neighborhood, but the house is on fire. Sure, you can go live in the house that's on fire, but if you live in a perfectly adequate house on the block in a less popular neighborhood, it might be more attractive than moving into a burning house.
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I think it's possible DePaul is able to go to donors and then provide Moser with a list of resources they can procure should he, and only he, be the next coach.
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The comments about DePaul in this thread really make it clear how many factors there are in developing a solid basketball program, or perhaps more accurately, resurrecting one from whatever skeletal remains that there may be. I think their biggest asset is their BE membership, and it would not surprise me if, unknown to us due to Val's tight-lipped management style, that she has had some interesting conversations with DP. While expulsion from the BE would be highly unlikely (assuming it can be done), the old cliche' "never say never" ....it may have been subtly implied. Disclaimer-Pure speculation on my part.
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DePaul needs commitment and guidance from their administration and athletic department. Think of it like neighborhoods. DePaul might be in a great neighborhood, but the house is on fire. Sure, you can go live in the house that's on fire, but if you live in a perfectly adequate house on the block in a less popular neighborhood, it might be more attractive than moving into a burning house.
Exactly.
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Moser to DePaul is an interesting thought. But, there is the matter of the contract he has at OK. If he wanted to leave, the contract could be bought out, but is DePaul going to pay for that? I doubt it. Plus, eve3n though Moser is from the Chicago area, that does not mean he wants to go back. Norman, OK may not be heaven, but it is as perfectly nice town and a heck of a lot easier to deal with than Chicago just in terms of traffic, weather, routine environmental stress, etc. And, OK plays in a very, very good league and will continue to do so. Not sure what DePaul could offer that would appeal to him.
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I heard an interview with Pitino’s son last year where he said his dad told him to never take a job at a lower tier team within a conference no matter how good the conference is. He said to look at the ability of the program to compete within their conference. Always try to take a job at a place that can compete in conference. That’s how you keep your career moving forward.
If that is a prevalent thought in the industry, DePaul is in trouble. And it would also explain some of their past hires.
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Moser to DePaul is an interesting thought. But, there is the matter of the contract he has at OK. If he wanted to leave, the contract could be bought out, but is DePaul going to pay for that? I doubt it. Plus, eve3n though Moser is from the Chicago area, that does not mean he wants to go back. Norman, OK may not be heaven, but it is as perfectly nice town and a heck of a lot easier to deal with than Chicago just in terms of traffic, weather, routine environmental stress, etc. And, OK plays in a very, very good league and will continue to do so. Not sure what DePaul could offer that would appeal to him.
I don't disagree with anything that you say here, but the entire "Moser to DePaul" discussion is premised on DePaul opening the vault and spending a ton of cash: for Moser (including his buyout), for players, and for facilities. If they're not willing to spend, spend, and spend some more -- and history would suggest that they're not -- it's not going to happen. If they've decided to take that financial leap, a buyout shouldn't stop them. I remain very skeptical.
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At some point, a coaching job only appeals to assistants who cannot get a better gig or to older coaches who need to revive a career that has gone off the rails. DePaul may have reached that point. If you are a real up and coming assistant at a high level program, why would you want to put yourself in that job? Stubblefield did that after several years at Oregon, and look where it got him. Of course, he couldn't coach anyway, but that's my point. Maybe that's the level of coach DePaul can get now.
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Don't other BE schools have similar problem with proximity to their arenas? Some have an on-campus place plus an arena- St. Johns, Nova, and... anybody else? Yes, Marquette but I am not counting the Al as the men's team so rarely plays there. I think MSG and the arenas for SH, Nova, UCONN (Hartford), DC's Capital One Center and possibly others are not very close (although GT students could walk to the arena). Fortunately, good metro service can get you to most arenas pretty easily, that is if you really want to go to the games.
IF DP finally gets serious about their entire program, in perhaps 4-5 years DP could have an enthusiastic student section. I don't know the percentage of townies at DP, as they are probably less likely to attend games. Note that I am not in any way suggesting DP will have a Marquette level fan base. But they could have more than the really embarrassing turnouts that we see on TV.
Both DePaul and Georgetown's student enthusiasm, or rather the lack thereof, is due primarily to umm...other factors.
Actually the Rock is slightly closer to the SH Orange Campus than MU is to the FF; about 0.2 miles closer.
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At some point, a coaching job only appeals to assistants who cannot get a better gig or to older coaches who need to revive a career that has gone off the rails. DePaul may have reached that point. If you are a real up and coming assistant at a high level program, why would you want to put yourself in that job? Stubblefield did that after several years at Oregon, and look where it got him. Of course, he couldn't coach anyway, but that's my point. Maybe that's the level of coach DePaul can get now.
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I heard an interview with Pitino’s son last year where he said his dad told him to never take a job at a lower tier team within a conference no matter how good the conference is. He said to look at the ability of the program to compete within their conference. Always try to take a job at a place that can compete in conference. That’s how you keep your career moving forward.
If that is a prevalent thought in the industry, DePaul is in trouble. And it would also explain some of their past hires.
Probably should have listened to his old man and passed on the Minnesota job.
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I heard an interview with Pitino’s son last year where he said his dad told him to never take a job at a lower tier team within a conference no matter how good the conference is. He said to look at the ability of the program to compete within their conference. Always try to take a job at a place that can compete in conference. That’s how you keep your career moving forward.
If that is a prevalent thought in the industry, DePaul is in trouble. And it would also explain some of their past hires.
So Richard ignored him when he took the Minnesota job?
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So Richard ignored him when he took the Minnesota job?
He actually commented on that. He said the advice came after that. Said he was still in don’t interfere mode when he took the Minnesota job.
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For what it’s worth, and that might be little, Charley Walters of The Pioneer Press recently wrote that Richard Pitino would be a candidate at Saint Louis. (I don’t know Charley Walters nor his reliability. I am just the messenger).
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For what it’s worth, and that might be little, Charley Walters of The Pioneer Press recently wrote that Richard Pitino would be a candidate at Saint Louis. (I don’t know Charley Walters nor his reliability. I am just the messenger).
Is St. Louis a better gig than New Mexico?
No idea about how their resources compare, but it's a lesser conference with less fan support.
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At some point, a coaching job only appeals to assistants who cannot get a better gig or to older coaches who need to revive a career that has gone off the rails. DePaul may have reached that point. If you are a real up and coming assistant at a high level program, why would you want to put yourself in that job? Stubblefield did that after several years at Oregon, and look where it got him. Of course, he couldn't coach anyway, but that's my point. Maybe that's the level of coach DePaul can get now.
I still think DePaul best option is a guy who has a proven Head Coaching record of success, that is coming off a scandal. That scenario is one where the coach would actually take a Depaul job to get back in the game to clean up image. Gregg Marshall, Huggy Bear , Will Wade ( although it might be too late to get him)
Someone likenthat can jumpstart the program to mediocrity and build it from there .
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I still think DePaul best option is a guy who has a proven Head Coaching record of success, that is coming off a scandal. That scenario is one where the coach would actually take a Depaul job to get back in the game to clean up image. Gregg Marshall, Huggy Bear , Will Wade ( although it might be too late to get him)
Someone likenthat can jumpstart the program to mediocrity and build it from there .
Bob Huggins would be 71 years old by the time next season starts. Not exactly the kind of energetic guy DePaul needs to reinvigorate that program.
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I would think Huggins radio interview would automatically disqualify him from any job at a Catholic University.
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I still think DePaul best option is a guy who has a proven Head Coaching record of success, that is coming off a scandal. That scenario is one where the coach would actually take a Depaul job to get back in the game to clean up image. Gregg Marshall, Huggy Bear , Will Wade ( although it might be too late to get him)
Someone likenthat can jumpstart the program to mediocrity and build it from there .
Yeah I'm sure a catholic school is chomping at the bit to get Huggins after his anti catholic interview.
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I would think Huggins radio interview would automatically disqualify him from any job at a Catholic University.
One might guess, but apparently paying for your side piece's abortion isn't disqualifying.
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Is St. Louis a better gig than New Mexico?
No idea about how their resources compare, but it's a lesser conference with less fan support.
I was curious about this as well and just read that Ford is getting $2.3MM at SLU. Pitino is getting $1.25 at UNM, figure he'll get a raise, but that's an impressive salary for SLU. SLU should attract some quality candidates at over $2MM.
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Is St. Louis a better gig than New Mexico?
No idea about how their resources compare, but it's a lesser conference with less fan support.
At first glance it doesn’t perhaps make much sense. But, it’s plausible if you look more closely. I was surprised when I heard it, and less surprised when I thought about it.
Ford and Rick Pitino are close. Despite not winning enough games, Ford is close with the AD there, and with some boosters.
Today’s Saint Louis basketball has better resources and facilities than it did in the past, by a lot. So they can get a decent coach if they don’t mess up the hire, a big if like anywhere else.
The league question is interesting. Obviously the A10 used to be a better league and it included some current Big East schools.
In a P6 league a school can be a .500 middle of the pack team etc…and make the NCAA Tourney. Ford had 5 KenPom top 40 seasons at Oklahoma State for example. It’s tougher to make the NCAA Tourney at a non P6 league. But the expectation would be higher in the league, such as winning a higher percentage of league games. We’ve seen some coaches dominate non P6 leagues and stay there. And expectations can be higher in P6 leagues.
The annual operating budgets of Dayton, VCU, and Saint Louis are similar for Men’s Basketball. And from what I’ve seen is significantly higher than New Mexico. Ford for example makes $2.4 million a year.
This seems to fit style of their current largest boosters vs a Ben McCollum type. I would surprised if they didn’t contact Chris Mack, not that he would have interest. (his daughter will play volleyball at Vandy and Ohio State may be open as well).
As far as Richard Pitino, all I know is the Minnesota writer mentioned it recently which came out of left field a little bit.
Some boomerang type of coaches have success after failure, like Greg McDermott, (Iowa State) others less so. It all depends.
Saint Louis doesn’t have any fan support issues. They have had some other ones, but fan support isn’t one of them.
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St. Louis sucks
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I still think DePaul best option is a guy who has a proven Head Coaching record of success, that is coming off a scandal. That scenario is one where the coach would actually take a Depaul job to get back in the game to clean up image. Gregg Marshall, Huggy Bear , Will Wade ( although it might be too late to get him)
Someone likenthat can jumpstart the program to mediocrity and build it from there .
Marshall is actually a really interesting choice. He may very well have no interest in getting back into coaching, but he'd be the right idea. His transgressions were bad, but not black balled from coaching bad.
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At first glance it doesn’t perhaps make much sense. But, it’s plausible if you look more closely. I was surprised when I heard it, and less surprised when I thought about it.
Ford and Rick Pitino are close. Despite not winning enough games, Ford is close with the AD there, and with some boosters.
Today’s Saint Louis basketball has better resources and facilities than it did in the past, by a lot. So they can get a decent coach if they don’t mess up the hire, a big if like anywhere else.
The league question is interesting. Obviously the A10 used to be a better league and it included some current Big East schools.
In a P6 league a school can be a .500 middle of the pack team etc…and make the NCAA Tourney. Ford had 5 KenPom top 40 seasons at Oklahoma State for example. It’s tougher to make the NCAA Tourney at a non P6 league. But the expectation would be higher in the league, such as winning a higher percentage of league games. We’ve seen some coaches dominate non P6 leagues and stay there. And expectations can be higher in P6 leagues.
The annual operating budgets of Dayton, VCU, and Saint Louis are similar for Men’s Basketball. And from what I’ve seen is significantly higher than New Mexico. Ford for example makes $2.4 million a year.
This seems to fit style of their current largest boosters vs a Ben McCollum type. I would surprised if they didn’t contact Chris Mack, not that he would have interest. (his daughter will play volleyball at Vandy and Ohio State may be open as well).
As far as Richard Pitino, all I know is the Minnesota writer mentioned it recently which came out of left field a little bit.
Some boomerang type of coaches have success after failure, like Greg McDermott, (Iowa State) others less so. It all depends.
Saint Louis doesn’t have any fan support issues. They have had some other ones, but fan support isn’t one of them.
I agree with much of this. I know some of their boosters tried to force out Ford last year and replace him with Blake Ahearn. But it didn't work. Not everyone was on board with that.
I would think they would reach out to some of the following : McCollum, Schertz, Mack, Moser, Holtmann, DeVries, Enfield, Drew, etc....
It's nice for Marquette to not have to go through a coaching search for a while.
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Saint Louis doesn’t have any fan support issues. They have had some other ones, but fan support isn’t one of them.
They're the only D1 or above basketball team in a large, urban market, and a 21-win squad last year averaged 7,056 attendance in a 10,600-seat arena. And that was their first year above 7,000 since 2014-15. Only two of their 12 home games this year have drawn more than 7,000.
There are definitely other ways to measure fan support, but they're not exactly packing them in as the only game in town.
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They're the only D1 or above basketball team in a large, urban market, and a 21-win squad last year averaged 7,056 attendance in a 10,600-seat arena. And that was their first year above 7,000 since 2014-15. Only two of their 12 home games this year have drawn more than 7,000.
There are definitely other ways to measure fan support, but they're not exactly packing them in as the only game in town.
True, but last year was their first year without Yadi. His retirement opens up some free time.
Would Pitino even be that attractive of a coach for St Louis? I suppose he's finally got them trending well, but the first two years looked rough.
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They're the only D1 or above basketball team in a large, urban market, and a 21-win squad last year averaged 7,056 attendance in a 10,600-seat arena. And that was their first year above 7,000 since 2014-15. Only two of their 12 home games this year have drawn more than 7,000.
There are definitely other ways to measure fan support, but they're not exactly packing them in as the only game in town.
Gotta win games. Ask Georgetown. Or DePaul. Or St. John’s. Or Butler? And so on.
Here’s Georgetown attendance:
https://www.hoyabasketball.com/records/bb-homeatt.htm
With Saint Louis, if the team isn’t winning at a high level, and the league isn’t P6, that’s to be expected.
1994-2001 they were top 25 or better in attendance annually. They sold out often with Majerus’ players. They still sold out games vs better opponents during Ford too. Some would suggest by staying away from year 8 of Ford, their fans are in fact supporting their program wanting a change.
Marquette for example fell out of top 25 attendance 5 times in the later 90’s. I think we all know why that happened.
And not that it matters, but SIUE and Lindenwood are both D-1 in basketball. (Most of the overlapping Winter sports dollar is going to the NHL, MLS, XFL.)
It’s a sports town, including basketball. That’s why they sell out Mizzou v Illinois annually for decades, regularly host NCAA Regionals and early rounds, MVC tourney, NBA exhibitions, etc…
Gotta give people something desirable to attend. Mizzou, for example, which draws St. Louis fans, was top 20 nationally in attendance last year. Illinois was top 10.
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St. Louis sucks
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Gotta win games. Ask Georgetown. Or DePaul. Or St. John’s. Or Butler? And so on.
Here’s Georgetown attendance:
https://www.hoyabasketball.com/records/bb-homeatt.htm
With Saint Louis, if the team isn’t winning at a high level, and the league isn’t P6, that’s to be expected.
1994-2001 they were top 25 or better in attendance annually. They sold out often with Majerus’ players. They still sold out games vs better opponents during Ford too. Some would suggest by staying away from year 8 of Ford, their fans are in fact supporting their program wanting a change.
Marquette for example fell out of top 25 attendance 5 times in the later 90’s. I think we all know why that happened.
And not that it matters, but SIUE and Lindenwood are both D-1 in basketball. (Most of the overlapping Winter sports dollar is going to the NHL, MLS, XFL.)
It’s a sports town, including basketball. That’s why they sell out Mizzou v Illinois annually for decades, regularly host NCAA Regionals and early rounds, MVC tourney, NBA exhibitions, etc…
Gotta give people something desirable to attend. Mizzou, for example, which draws St. Louis fans, was top 20 nationally in attendance last year. Illinois was top 10.
Yep. I sometimes wonder what f Marquette had hired different coaches after Dukiet, Deane, Wojo?
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Yep. I sometimes wonder what f Marquette had hired different coaches after Dukiet, Deane, Wojo?
As best I can tell
1) You're replying to yourself.
2) You're supposed to be banned.
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oh boy
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As best I can tell
1) You're replying to yourself.
2) You're supposed to be banned.
What tipped you off?
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Gotta win games. Ask Georgetown. Or DePaul. Or St. John’s. Or Butler? And so on.
But they are winning games. Over the last five full (i.e. non-COVID) years, they've averaged 21.4 wins per season.
Georgetown over the same time frame has averaged 12.4. DePaul 14.2.
Not sure those are great comparisons.
Butler? They draw more fans in a smaller arena than St. Louis, and have major competition about an hour away in IU and Purdue.
With Saint Louis, if the team isn’t winning at a high level, and the league isn’t P6, that’s to be expected.
Their conference affiliation isn't changing anytime soon.
And not that it matters, but SIUE and Lindenwood are both D-1 in basketball. (Most of the overlapping Winter sports dollar is going to the NHL, MLS, XFL.)
No, SIUE and Lindenwood don't matter.
MLS has been in St. Louis for one year and the season doesn't begin until the college hoops season is almost over. Hoops fans aren't skipping games in December, January and February because of St. Louis City SC. Same with XFL.
Illinois was top 10.
St. Louis people are driving to Champaign for Illinois games?
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Is St. Louis a better gig than New Mexico?
No idea about how their resources compare, but it's a lesser conference with less fan support.
The shoothoops bat signal must be broken
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What tipped you off?
IP address?
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IP address?
Well, that, and the paragraph long posts defending St. Louis
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St. Louis sucks
SWpoken like an envious Cub fan
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The shoothoops bat signal must be broken
No, he got banned but is posting as Sandstone and TheStrand.
Don’t know why the hammer was dropped
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So shoothoops, the guy who posts in topics just because he wants to and is way too enlightened to engage in the tribal debates that happen here, has created two sockpuppets that reply to one another?
That's vintage stuff right there.
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So shoothoops, the guy who posts in topics just because he wants to and is way too enlightened to engage in the tribal debates that happen here, has created two sockpuppets that reply to one another?
That's vintage stuff right there.
What's a shoothoops?
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Who the hell is shoothoops? Why was he banned?
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Who the hell is shoothoops? Why was he banned?
My guess is that the mods got tired of their and pandas inability to quit each other. Both shoothoops and panda haven't posted since January
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My guess is that the mods got tired of their and pandas inability to quit each other. Both shoothoops and panda haven't posted since January
You're an observant one! Yeah. They had a tiff, started reporting each other. We told them to ignore each other, they wouldn't. Then they both started PMing demanding we do something about the other. I told them (again) they needed to resolve it themselves, or ignore each other - and that further PM complaints would result in a banning for both. To nobodies surprise, they both subsequently sent me PMs insisting the problem was the other person.
I've often said, we expect you all to self moderate. If you can't, we will. Mods don' t have time to deal with everyone's personal issues.
IP address?
Also yes. Same IP, both accounts created the day after banning. Very Chicos like.
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What's a shoothoops?
Well done.
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You're an observant one! Yeah. They had a tiff, started reporting each other. We told them to ignore each other, they wouldn't. Then they both started PMing demanding we do something about the other. I told them (again) they needed to resolve it themselves, or ignore each other - and that further PM complaints would result in a banning for both. To nobodies surprise, they both subsequently sent me PMs insisting the problem was the other person.
I've often said, we expect you all to self moderate. If you can't, we will. Mods don' t have time to deal with everyone's personal issues.
kids these days
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You're an observant one! Yeah. They had a tiff, started reporting each other. We told them to ignore each other, they wouldn't. Then they both started PMing demanding we do something about the other. I told them (again) they needed to resolve it themselves, or ignore each other - and that further PM complaints would result in a banning for both. To nobodies surprise, they both subsequently sent me PMs insisting the problem was the other person.
I've often said, we expect you all to self moderate. If you can't, we will. Mods don' t have time to deal with everyone's personal issues.
Also yes. Same IP, both accounts created the day after banning. Very Chicos like.
That’s hilarious
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You're an observant one! Yeah. They had a tiff, started reporting each other. We told them to ignore each other, they wouldn't. Then they both started PMing demanding we do something about the other. I told them (again) they needed to resolve it themselves, or ignore each other - and that further PM complaints would result in a banning for both. To nobodies surprise, they both subsequently sent me PMs insisting the problem was the other person.
I've often said, we expect you all to self moderate. If you can't, we will. Mods don' t have time to deal with everyone's personal issues.
Also yes. Same IP, both accounts created the day after banning. Very Chicos like.
Still can't believe we pay so much in annual fees for this site and people still do this.
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I always wondered what the moderators moderated… now I know.
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Also yes. Same IP, both accounts created the day after banning. Very Chicos like.
He should have created those accounts long ago so he would have someone to talk to in the Tennis topic.
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I always wondered what the moderators moderated… now I know.
Yeah, I think the basic rule is, "leave us alone, or I will get the stick".
Children should be seen and not heard. ;D
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I always wondered what the moderators moderated… now I know.
I think Rocky actually meant we all self medicate, which I believe many on this board already practice
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I took a stray bullet ban a couple weeks ago. I won't dox who it was that got banned, but after the (I think) St. John's game I got a message saying I was banned with no expiration. The next day, using my laptop instead of computer, I was back in. Had to clear my Chrome browser of MUScoop on my phone to get it working on my phone again.
Then it happened again a week later, and I realized it was happening at the same coffee shop.
I have no idea how IP addresses work or anything, but I PMed a mod and they let me know it was a liberal IP ban for a different poster. Not sure if that means the greatness of that poster had been to the same coffee shop in Columbia, MO or not, but if so, I hope to one day run into that person. And maybe he or she will be out of Scoop jail if they're in that spot.
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He should have created those accounts long ago so he would have someone to talk to in the Tennis topic.
The funny thing is, I saw Sandstones first post and immediately knew it was shoothoops. Then i questioned it when I read thestands first post and thought that was shoothoops. I can just never imagine having two accounts forb the same site
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The funny thing is, I saw Sandstones first post and immediately knew it was shoothoops. Then i questioned it when I read thestands first post and thought that was shoothoops. I can just never imagine having two accounts forb the same site
I’m both willie and Uncle Rico
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The funny thing is, I saw Sandstones first post and immediately knew it was shoothoops. Then i questioned it when I read thestands first post and thought that was shoothoops. I can just never imagine having two accounts forb the same site
If someone blocks you do they not see any of your posts AND you can’t see any of theirs?
I’ve never done it.
I don’t remember any shoothoops posts and I’m wondering if it’s maybe because I was blocked, or maybe I’ve just been subconsciously blocking them out.
Can the moderators get one of those things like Uber where other users rate you and you get to see your star rating?
That would be tight.
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I have no idea how IP addresses work or anything, but I PMed a mod and they let me know it was a liberal IP ban for a different poster.
That was a bit different. I don't generally use IP bans these days (for reasons in a moment) - but it can be a good indication of when someone is *likely* the same person because they post from the same exact IP address frequently and no other users use that IP.
In your case, it was a block of 255 IPs that got banned (by a wildcard -- "*") that happened to correlate to those owned by AT&T. In fact, I know several other people must have seen your same message before it was fixed. This is where IP gets fuzzy - especially with mobile phones. You might access from 20 different IP addresses every day depending on when you access with your cell phone and where. Based on an AT&T block - it's highly doubtful that poster was in the same location. Could have been virtually anywhere in the US, but your coffee shop must use AT&T internet of some sort :)
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I’m both willie and Uncle Rico
(https://c.tenor.com/tvFWFDXRrmMAAAAd/tenor.gif)
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Can the moderators get one of those things like Uber where other users rate you and you get to see your star rating?
That would be tight.
We actually do have that ability, but never enable it. Imagine all the smite I would get, lol.
https://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Karma
If someone blocks you do they not see any of your posts AND you can’t see any of theirs?
No, if someone blocked (Ignored) you, you would still see their posts unless you also blocked them.
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I’m both willie and Uncle Rico
This is a great example! Very unlikely you are willie. However, you use a TON of IPs, and based on that the software does correlate you with a bunch of other users (I don't think you're them either).
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I don’t remember any shoothoops posts and I’m wondering if it’s maybe because I was blocked, or maybe I’ve just been subconsciously blocking them out.
Iirc they were getting into it in the tennis thread on the Superbar. Don't think the posts got deleted if you really want to go back and look what was said, just a whole lot of personal attacks between the two with the occasional post by someone else asking to get the thread back on topic.
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Iirc they were getting into it in the tennis thread on the Superbar. Don't think the posts got deleted if you really want to go back and look what was said, just a whole lot of personal attacks between the two with the occasional post by someone else asking to get the thread back on topic.
It was quite the tennis match in and of itself.
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We actually do have that ability, but never enable it. Imagine all the smite I would get, lol.
https://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Karma
This'd be hilarious. Do you have customizable abilities? Like instead of an upvote or downvote would you be able to do a golden eagle or warrior?
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This'd be hilarious. Do you have customizable abilities? Like instead of an upvote or downvote would you be able to do a golden eagle or warrior?
COLE or Slurper
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We actually do have that ability, but never enable it. Imagine all the smite I would get, lol.
(https://y.yarn.co/fa56c8ae-7004-4ac6-8726-97382400ecd0_text.gif)
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We actually do have that ability, but never enable it. Imagine all the smite I would get, lol.
https://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Karma
No, if someone blocked (Ignored) you, you would still see their posts unless you also blocked them.
This would be great.
Applaud or Smite, impressive stuff.
Be sure to activate it after a brutal loss.
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That was a bit different. I don't generally use IP bans these days (for reasons in a moment) - but it can be a good indication of when someone is *likely* the same person because they post from the same exact IP address frequently and no other users use that IP.
In your case, it was a block of 255 IPs that got banned (by a wildcard -- "*") that happened to correlate to those owned by AT&T. In fact, I know several other people must have seen your same message before it was fixed. This is where IP gets fuzzy - especially with mobile phones. You might access from 20 different IP addresses every day depending on when you access with your cell phone and where. Based on an AT&T block - it's highly doubtful that poster was in the same location. Could have been virtually anywhere in the US, but your coffee shop must use AT&T internet of some sort :)
Ah got it. Well dang. Thought I could've made a new friend.
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So shoothoops, the guy who posts in topics just because he wants to and is way too enlightened to engage in the tribal debates that happen here, has created two sockpuppets that reply to one another?
That's vintage stuff right there.
Kind of funny that Travis Ford's son was busted for doing this exact same thing on Twitter. Is ShootHoops Travis Ford's child?
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This is a great example! Very unlikely you are willie. However, you use a TON of IPs, and based on that the software does correlate you with a bunch of other users (I don't think you're them either).
So Rita is stalking 4ever, Sultan and Wades?
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So Rita is stalking 4ever, Sultan and Wades?
I'm actually 4ever.
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I’m both willie and Uncle Rico
Dung
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Goodman/Field of 68 reporting Chris Holtmann is out at Ohio State.
I doubt the Buckeyes and DePaul are swimming in the same pool of candidates, however Trilly did have Josh Schertz listed as one of the names OSU should target.
DePaul was never going to be the only job open, but practically every job that comes available will be more attractive and will complicate their search.
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DePaul was never going to be the only job open, but practically every job that comes available will be more attractive and will complicate their search.
Indeed.
Holtmann story: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39525180/sources-chris-holtmann-ohio-state-basketball-coach
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Goodman/Field of 68 reporting Chris Holtmann is out at Ohio State.
I doubt the Buckeyes and DePaul are swimming in the same pool of candidates, however Trilly did have Josh Schertz listed as one of the names OSU should target.
DePaul was never going to be the only job open, but practically every job that comes available will be more attractive and will complicate their search.
I could see OSU going after Dusty May or Lamont Paris.
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I could see OSU going after Dusty May or Lamont Paris.
Not that it matters, Ohio State recruits nationally or can, but Paris is an Ohio native and has 8 years coaching in the Big Ten as an assistant at UW-Madison.
The question will be whether the hire is splashy enough for Buckeye fans. I think he’d kill it at Ohio State. He isn’t long term at USC. Suppose it’ll depend on how they finish
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Not that it matters, Ohio State recruits nationally or can, but Paris is an Ohio native and has 8 years coaching in the Big Ten as an assistant at UW-Madison.
The question will be whether the hire is splashy enough for Buckeye fans. I think he’d kill it at Ohio State. He isn’t long term at USC. Suppose it’ll depend on how they finish
The buckeyes fans I associate with would be happy with either of those two. And they (the fans/friends) know ball (at least they did when the Buckeyes used to Matta).
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DePaul should hire Holtmann. He was a good coach at Butler.
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I could see OSU going after Dusty May or Lamont Paris.
Dusty is an IU grad. He may be waiting for that one.
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Dusty is an IU grad. He may be waiting for that one.
Interesting what happens with IU.
Don’t see them firing Woodson. Think it’s gonna have to be one he resigns from. Will he?
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Ohio State fans like Jay Wright.
Along with fans of Michigan, Kentucky, Louisville, UNC, ........
I read a post on a Michigan board that claimed that Wright left Nova so he could have a few years off before taking the Michigan job, and not hurt Villanova's feeling by going directly to Michigan. :o
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Ohio State fans like Jay Wright.
Along with fans of Michigan, Kentucky, Louisville, UNC, ........
I read a post on a Michigan board that claimed that Wright left Nova so he could have a few years off before taking the Michigan job, and not hurt Villanova's feeling by going directly to Michigan. :o
Link?
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Link?
Not sure how to link.
On the MGOBLOG.com: "OldSchoolWolverineFebruary 13th, 2024 at 9:24 PM ^
I figured he left nova to sit out a few years then come back, as not to pull a RR and leave your alma mater. It's a bad look that way. "
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Not sure how to link.
On the MGOBLOG.com: "OldSchoolWolverineFebruary 13th, 2024 at 9:24 PM ^
I figured he left nova to sit out a few years then come back, as not to pull a RR and leave your alma mater. It's a bad look that way. "
So, the post doesn’t say he quit Villanova and was waiting for Michigan to open
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So, the post doesn’t say he quit Villanova and was waiting for Michigan to open
Ok, it was on a Michigan site in reference to Wight becoming the next head coach. I didn't fully vet the intent of the goofy post. The reason and context for bringing it up was to point out how some fans a delusional about coaching candidates to the point of wild conspiracy theories about Wright's retirement. Don't think we need to over think this.
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Ok, it was on a Michigan site in reference to Wight becoming the next head coach. I didn't fully vet the intent of the goofy post. The reason and context for bringing it up was to point out how some fans a delusional about coaching candidates to the point of wild conspiracy theories about Wright's retirement. Don't think we need to over think this.
So, one fan represents many fans.
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Not sure how to link.
On the MGOBLOG.com: "OldSchoolWolverineFebruary 13th, 2024 at 9:24 PM ^
I figured he left nova to sit out a few years then come back, as not to pull a RR and leave your alma mater. It's a bad look that way. "
The funniest part about this is that Villanova isn't his alma mater. He went to Bucknell.
Anyway, Wright has stated he is done coaching and doesn't miss it.
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Anyway, Wright has stated he is done coaching and doesn't miss it.
Yep, and I actually believe him.
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The funniest part about this is that Villanova isn't his alma mater. He went to Bucknell.
Anyway, Wright has stated he is done coaching and doesn't miss it.
He got out at the top as a relatively young man. Very smart.
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Yep, and I actually believe him.
Yeah, but I'll bet he misses recruiting.
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So, one fan represents many fans.
Oh, there are a good number that want Wright, if you question the number of fans who think Wright should be Michigan's next head coach.
As for the quoted post; I did make it clear that this was one 'goofy' post about a strategy to move from Nova. I did not say 'a thread' or 'pages of posts'. I only copied the single relevant post. But again, it was to use the extreme as an example of misguided expectations. Any interpretation that Michigan Nation is in on the retirement ruse is unintentional.
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Ohio State fans like Jay Wright.
Along with fans of Michigan, Kentucky, Louisville, UNC, ........
I read a post on a Michigan board that claimed that Wright left Nova so he could have a few years off before taking the Michigan job, and not hurt Villanova's feeling by going directly to Michigan. :o
Meth is a helluva drug. ;D
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Juwan Howard gets the dreaded vote of confidence from his AD.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39527081/michigan-juwan-howard-manuel-support-amid-8-17-season
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This is a great example! Very unlikely you are willie. However, you use a TON of IPs, and based on that the software does correlate you with a bunch of other users (I don't think you're them either).
I think Freako is Ma, aina?
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I'm actually 4ever.
Nah, ewe don't no ball, hey?
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Nah, ewe don't no ball, hey?
Heez so dum, he didunt think da Bux shud trayd Greak Freek a few yeerz ugo, oona?
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Nah, ewe don't no ball, hey?
Speaking of which, how much are you enjoying this Marquette season? Two of the best to ever come through the program playing at a high level, role players stepping up, guys improving as the season has went along and winning a lot of games. Must be fun for you!
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Juwan Howard gets the dreaded vote of confidence from his AD.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39527081/michigan-juwan-howard-manuel-support-amid-8-17-season
"Dead man walking"
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Chris Holtmann would be a fantastic hire for DePaul - if he could be enticed there. I don't know what happened at OSU but he has been a very good coach for several years and could make DePaul relevant again.
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Speaking of DePaul, there was along thread on the UConn message board about how bad they have been in the BE and can we throw them out. Lots of sleeping giant comments but the best line in response to sleeping giants is “They’re not a sleeping giant. They’re a comatose midget. Even if they wake up, who cares?”
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Speaking of DePaul, there was along thread on the UConn message board about how bad they have been in the BE and can we throw them out. Lots of sleeping giant comments but the best line in response to sleeping giants is “They’re not a sleeping giant. They’re a comatose midget. Even if they wake up, who cares?"
I don't have any idea if DePaul can be thrown out, but I believe the BE kicked out Temple, so maybe.
IF DePaul could be removed, I personally have not seen enough to support that drastic of a move.
I'll feel different based upon this next hire and the results. It feels like the past hires have almost been an "FU" to the Big East. An attitude of "we'll take the money and hire cheap (relative to the BE) unqualified coaches (Leitao being the most glaring - Tulsa Asst to Big East HC????) and not make serious investments in hoops"
I believe some conferences (SEC?) mandate a certain level of NET ranking for OOC games that could preclude DePaul, a fricking BE team, from being scheduled. - I could be wrong about this.
For me personally, DePaul is in danger of serious consideration for removal from the BE. Not for game results but lack of effort to be competitive.
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They aren’t kicking out DePaul. Temple was kicked out as a football only member a LONG time ago.
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They aren’t kicking out DePaul. Temple was kicked out as a football only member a LONG time ago.
Is the BE precluded from removing them? I understand the practical arguments to keep them, but am curious if it is actually possible legally/contractually.
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We've been through this many times on Scoop. I do not remember anyone seriously believing that DP's removal is ever going to happen. They were invited to join the Catholic Seven when the C7 was desperate (I think) to get enough teams willing to float a new conference with plans to add a few more.
I will believe that they are serious about cleaning up their atrocious act after it happens, not before.
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Is the BE precluded from removing them? I understand the practical arguments to keep them, but am curious if it is actually possible legally/contractually.
I’m sure the conference bylaws address the removal of a member.
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I’m sure the conference bylaws address the removal of a member.
You are probably right on this. I have NO evidence to support this, but I suspect Val may have warned them that their BE brethren are really tired of their crap and may push the expulsion issue. Strictly speculation on my part.
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Chris Holtmann would be a fantastic hire for DePaul - if he could be enticed there. I don't know what happened at OSU but he has been a very good coach for several years and could make DePaul relevant again.
Can't recruit
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While I write about DPU being expelled and that it could be moving towards a justified move, I wouldn't risk betting a cup of coffee on it actually happening.
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You are probably right on this. I have NO evidence to support this, but I suspect Val may have warned them that their BE brethren are really tired of their crap and may push the expulsion issue. Strictly speculation on my part.
I really doubt it. There is no indication that their colleagues are tired of anything, or have taken a punitive approach in response.
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Speaking of DePaul, there was along thread on the UConn message board about how bad they have been in the BE and can we throw them out. Lots of sleeping giant comments but the best line in response to sleeping giants is “They’re not a sleeping giant. They’re a comatose midget. Even if they wake up, who cares?”
Can you imagine DePaul-Georgetown? They probably have to kidnap people and hold them hostage to watch that dreck!
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Creighton fans are concerned Mac is dipping his toe in the water, possibly to OSU. Feeling is he doesnt get that warm, fuzzy feeling from President Hendrickson (formerly from MU) since the plantation comment, or the support from his AD.
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Creighton fans are concerned Mac is dipping his toe in the water, possibly to OSU. Feeling is he doesnt get that warm, fuzzy feeling from President Hendrickson (formerly from MU) since the plantation comment, or the support from his AD.
Well there is that, and OSU could double his salary.
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Sounds like Hendrickson wanted McDermott fired 2 years ago, and the AD went to bat for Mac and saved his job. That AD has since been replaced, and hand picked by the Pres.
Oh, and the money, too. Mac doesn't pull in what other coaches, considered his equivalents, are making.
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Creighton fans are concerned Mac is dipping his toe in the water, possibly to OSU. Feeling is he doesnt get that warm, fuzzy feeling from President Hendrickson (formerly from MU) since the plantation comment, or the support from his AD.
Messin' with his happy, hey?
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The Big East should figure out how to replace DePaul with Loyola. Keep the Chicago market with a team that has elevated its program a bunch in recent years.
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Feel like more Marquette alums in the Chicago market are watching games than DePaul fans.
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The Gentile Arena only seats 5,000, wouldn’t that be a problem for the Big East? Certainly don’t want a repeat of playing in Rosemont, and Wintrust is too far as well.
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The Gentile Arena only seats 5,000, wouldn’t that be a problem for the Big East? Certainly don’t want a repeat of playing in Rosemont, and Wintrust is too far as well.
They could do a split like Nova or SJU. Play on campus and then play at Wintrust or the United Center for weekend games. They seem more motivated to elevate their program than DePaul.
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They could do a split like Nova or SJU. Play on campus and then play at Wintrust or the United Center for weekend games. They seem more motivated to elevate their program than DePaul.
Podunk College in Hicksville Mississippi has been more motivated to elevate their program than DePaul. OK.... Podunk College doesn't exist. I remember reading something about Moser trying to get Loyola to take advantage of their FF appearance and commit to investing in better facilities and in the program overall, but I do not remember the details. Swapping out Loyola for DePaul is wishful thinking, at least for the foreseeable future.
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Can't recruit
100%. Their Mike Deane. Good coach. Recruiting ? Not so much.
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De Paul isn’t getting swapped out for Loyola. Let’s be real here.
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Can't recruit
How come he didn’t just hire an outstanding recruiter for his staff? Seems weird that he can’t recruit. His personality must be a huge red flag for parents.
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How come he didn’t just hire an outstanding recruiter for his staff? Seems weird that he can’t recruit. His personality must be a huge red flag for parents.
always be closing!…recruiting is akin to sales. Some very good, nice folks struggle in sales.
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How come he didn’t just hire an outstanding recruiter for his staff? Seems weird that he can’t recruit. His personality must be a huge red flag for parents.
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/breaking-down-chris-holtmann-s-biggest-recruiting-wins-at-ohio-state
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Speaking of DePaul, there was along thread on the UConn message board about how bad they have been in the BE and can we throw them out. Lots of sleeping giant comments but the best line in response to sleeping giants is “They’re not a sleeping giant. They’re a comatose midget. Even if they wake up, who cares?”
Saw that thread. The favorite comment was the guy who basically said 'it's because they are a catholic school as Jim Calhoun said you want to go somewhere that's the "university of..." because those places have the resources.' Then called us an exception
Almost made an account there to fire back that they're in the big east with no "University of..." places.
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https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/breaking-down-chris-holtmann-s-biggest-recruiting-wins-at-ohio-state
He recruited fine. Got hurt by some unexpected 1 and done players, transfers, and 4 stars that didn't develop.
Wondering if Devin Royal enters the portal.
Would Shaka pursue him if a spot opens up? Recruited him pretty hard the first time around.
PG would be my preferred 1st choice if Shaka adds a transfer, but if two spots become available I could see someone like Royal as an option.
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https://x.com/tsilverbulletin/status/1759660555986444740?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
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Holtmann knows NAIA level bball well, so could be a nice fit at DePaul
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Holtmann knows NAIA level bball well, so could be a nice fit at DePaul
Would be fun if the finalists at DePaul were Holtmann and Lavall Jordan.
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Would be fun if the finalists at DePaul were Holtmann and Lavall Jordan.
Didn’t you want a scandal ridden coach?
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Good move on DePaul’s part. Can’t remember the last time I could say that.
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Didn’t you want a scandal ridden coach?
Successful scandal ridden coach looking to clear his reputation is preferred, however Holtmann or Lavall would do a solid job.
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Good move on DePaul’s part. Can’t remember the last time I could say that.
Good move as in "let's hire a coach someone else is paying"? Can't recruit (but can coach)!
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I know this is already a day old, but I figured why not...
https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1759950911135478148
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I know this is already a day old, but I figured why not...
https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1759950911135478148
That would be a shocking move. I have to assume it's money related. Or they misheard which Hurley.
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Would be shocked by Danny going to OSU. The only job I could see him leaving for is Kentucky, and even that I'd have my doubts. He's a Northeastern guy.
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It'd be weird for him to leave. The program fits is style and personality. He's at a blue blood program (they have as many titles as the rest of the conference combined), and he's proven he can win. The only reasons to leave would be internal issue, or lack of confidence in the conference future.
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Maybe he is tired of the Creighton crowd and is looking for something a little more relaxed.
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It'd be weird for him to leave. The program fits is style and personality. He's at a blue blood program (they have as many titles as the rest of the conference combined), and he's proven he can win. The only reasons to leave would be internal issue, or lack of confidence in the conference future.
Agree. I hadn't thought of the bolded as a reason until you wrote that. With UCONN's love of the FB 5 unrequited, I could see it as a reason.
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It'd be weird for him to leave. The program fits is style and personality. He's at a blue blood program (they have as many titles as the rest of the conference combined), and he's proven he can win. The only reasons to leave would be internal issue, or lack of confidence in the conference future.
Your last sentence is concerning. These guys have more knowledge about what is going on behind the scenes than anyone. I’m sure people talk in their circles all the time about the future of CBB. The biggest fear is MU and the other Big East schools being relegated to second tier status.
But having said that, there is no need for Hurley to bail this quickly unless something is imminent. Hurley will be in demand a year from now or five years from now. So after saying all that, it’s probably just about the money. I hope it is anyway.
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Concern about the BE conference future would not be the only reason he leaves. Ohio State can offer him more resources - a higher salary, NIL, etc. A Big Ten school these days is always going to have that in abundance v. a BE school.
But the other thing is that Hurley may just be using this as leverage. He is the defending national championship coach with the #1 team in the country. And some MASSIVE jobs are open. Yes he just signed an extension in the off-season, but having his agent field calls may simply be the next negotiating ploy.
Or maybe the leverage isn't about him, but about getting the donor base to pony up more for NIL.
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Yep... also, as much as I hate to say it outloud... Don't be surprised if Shaka is getting phone calls for some of these big openings as well.
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Would be shocked by Danny going to OSU. The only job I could see him leaving for is Kentucky, and even that I'd have my doubts. He's a Northeastern guy.
Hurley for Hurley at ASU, hires as assistant…Hurley
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I don’t know if he’s credible, but this guy is saying Sean Miller to Ohio State is pretty much a done deal.
https://x.com/s_charlesnfl/status/1760309935680741872?s=46&t=5MCnjytSUyp9Ag4vOr1iHg
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I don’t know if he’s credible, but this guy is saying Sean Miller to Ohio State is pretty much a done deal.
https://x.com/s_charlesnfl/status/1760309935680741872?s=46&t=5MCnjytSUyp9Ag4vOr1iHg
Consider reading some of his other tweets. That should give you an idea.
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Consider reading some of his other tweets. That should give you an idea.
I did. Wow! ::)
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Yes that Simon Charles account is one of the biggest trolls out there - he is making up the Sean Miller news for engagement. Just look at Simon's bio: "Esteemed sports journalist & Patriots Beat Writer Double PHD in Journalism & Female Anatomy"
Majored in female anatomy :o
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It'd be weird for him to leave. The program fits is style and personality. He's at a blue blood program (they have as many titles as the rest of the conference combined), and he's proven he can win. The only reasons to leave would be internal issue, or lack of confidence in the conference future.
Don't you think that if and when the Power 5 or whatever they're called now split off Hurley would have any trouble landing a job there if he wanted to? Even if he had stayed at UConn until the split?
As for him leaving, I don't want any top-notch talent leaving the Big East.
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Don't you think that if and when the Power 5 or whatever they're called now split off Hurley would have any trouble landing a job there if he wanted to? Even if he had stayed at UConn until the split?
As for him leaving, I don't want any top-notch talent leaving the Big East.
Correct. If it all went down to P2 and Hurley wanted in someone would take him. IMO, if this rumor holds water only if Hurley is looking for a pay increase... Which I'm sure UConn would be happy to give him.
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Money talks!
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I don’t know if he’s credible, but this guy is saying Sean Miller to Ohio State is pretty much a done deal.
https://x.com/s_charlesnfl/status/1760309935680741872?s=46&t=5MCnjytSUyp9Ag4vOr1iHg
XM Radio College station is reporting this is in fact a done deal. Hard to believe Miller is still coaching at X if true.
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My guess is that XM is using this same tweet as a source - when it clearly isn't reliable.
Everything is being run through Miller's agent anyway.
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XM Radio College station is reporting this is in fact a done deal. Hard to believe Miller is still coaching at X if true.
Are we going to have to play another team immediately after a coaching change?! I hate that. Fortunately, the first time was DePaul and they're bad enough that it didn't matter. But ask Purdue how they feel about playing a team that is fired up to play for an interim HC.
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My guess is that XM is using this same tweet as a source - when it clearly isn't reliable.
Everything is being run through Miller's agent anyway.
That would make sense. They didn't even state it was an unverified rumor, just that Miller is gone like they were saying today is Thursday. You'd expect them to vet the story from multiple sources but I guess that is asking too much these days.
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https://twitter.com/tomshatelOWH/status/1762159455674736895?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
OSU used as a bargaining chip again?
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https://twitter.com/tomshatelOWH/status/1762159455674736895?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
OSU used as a bargaining chip again?
If McDermott does get an extension at Creighton, it would be good for the BE and good for Greg to stay on the plantation he created.
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If McDermott does get an extension at Creighton, it would be good for the BE and good for Greg to stay on the plantation he created.
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LOL - I know Greg's statement was taken out of context, but I had to get the little shot in. ;)
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Simon Charles started the Kolek Can't Read thing. He has zero knowledge of Miller going to OSU.
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Simon Charles started the Kolek Can't Read thing. He has zero knowledge of Miller going to OSU.
Yes. It's a troll account that still manages to catch people now and then.
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Yes. It's a troll account that still manages to catch people now and then.
100% a troll - never trust anyone whose Twitter (x) profile claims they majored in female anatomy.
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Concern about the BE conference future would not be the only reason he leaves. Ohio State can offer him more resources - a higher salary, NIL, etc. A Big Ten school these days is always going to have that in abundance v. a BE school.
But the other thing is that Hurley may just be using this as leverage. He is the defending national championship coach with the #1 team in the country. And some MASSIVE jobs are open. Yes he just signed an extension in the off-season, but having his agent field calls may simply be the next negotiating ploy.
Or maybe the leverage isn't about him, but about getting the donor base to pony up more for NIL.
I thought I saw that UConn's basketball budget is twice the size of OSU basketball
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I thought I saw that UConn's basketball budget is twice the size of OSU basketball
Yeah, I don't pay too much attention to those figures because I have no idea what an apples to apples comparison look like. For instance, does UConn's include any rent it pays when playing in Hartford? How are they allocating academic support costs?
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Yeah, I don't pay too much attention to those figures because I have no idea what an apples to apples comparison look like. For instance, does UConn's include any rent it pays when playing in Hartford? How are they allocating academic support costs?
OK, but you are good with making off the cuff statements like OSU can offer him a higher salary?
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OK, but you are good with making off the cuff statements like OSU can offer him a higher salary?
Just basing it on their respective media deals.
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Just basing it on their respective media deals.
Well considering Hurley is making 5.25 compared to Holtman's 3.5, I have a feeling UConn would match anything OSU would offer.
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Hard to believe Miller would leave X to go to OSU. He has a great gig at X. But, you never know what these guys are thinking.
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Hard to believe Miller would leave X to go to OSU. He has a great gig at X. But, you never know what these guys are thinking.
X is opening a medical school in 2027 and the president wants to put resources towards that and cut back on basketball. It has been a real point of contention with the X boosters the last few months.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/education/2023/05/10/xavier-university-to-launch-college-of-osteopathic-medicine-in-2027/70197017007/
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X is opening a medical school in 2027 and the president wants to put resources towards that and cut back on basketball. It has been a real point of contention with the X boosters the last few months.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/education/2023/05/10/xavier-university-to-launch-college-of-osteopathic-medicine-in-2027/70197017007/
I hadn't heard that. I heard (and collaborates with what my daughter said) the President is a big backer of Xavier BB and sees it as a large promoter of the university. They were looking at adding football to drive more male enrollment which has been pushed way out for the foreseeable future.
I came across a Xavier podcast a week ago. What I got out it.
* Miller is a great coach and will always be in demand and his name will always be mentioned when these jobs are available.
* They don't think Miller would leave for Ohio State. He truly does love coaching at Xavier. But added you never know.
* Miller may have long term concerns about the financial health of XU, NIL, the amount XU spends on BB and there were a few other minor things. They noted:
* The President continues to address and already made several steps to address the financials of the university so this is not being ignored. (This has been in the
news the last 3 years.)
* Increasing NIL is supposedly being addressed also.
* They want XU to spend on basketball what UConn, Marquette and Georgetown do. Something was remodeled in the Cintas this past summer and they have
plans for other Cintas changes to maximize revenue.
* And if in 1, 2, 3 years out there is no progress on the areas of possible concern, then he can still leave anytime as he will be in demand.
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Is Miller a "great" coach?
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X is opening a medical school in 2027 and the president wants to put resources towards that and cut back on basketball. It has been a real point of contention with the X boosters the last few months.
If X's basketball program isn't self-sustaining, they are doing something wrong.
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Is Miller a "great" coach?
I think he's proven to be good from his (excluding this year) tenure at X but I always thought he under performed at Zona relative to talent and expectations so I'd question great as well.
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He has a .720 career winning percentage overall. He won the Pac12 5 times in 12 seasons at Arizona. Made 7 of 11 NCAA Tournaments at Arizona, never as a seed lower than a 6 (they were only higher than a 6 seed once in the 6 years prior to him taking over). Has made 4 Elite 8s and 4 other Sweet 16s. 21-12 NCAA Tournament record. If he's not great, he's pretty dang good.
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If X's basketball program isn't self-sustaining, they are doing something wrong.
It is self-sustaining, but the institutional support plays a large part. We are very lucky to have Lovell as the president; but there is always a chance that the next president would not support the program as much as Lovell, making it hard to attract coaches, keep facilities up to date etc. There is a big difference between being self-sustaining and wanting to spend the extra cash to have a top program. There is a reason Shaka mentions the alignment between the president and AD at MU five plus times a year.
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I hadn't heard that. I heard (and collaborates with what my daughter said) the President is a big backer of Xavier BB and sees it as a large promoter of the university. They were looking at adding football to drive more male enrollment which has been pushed way out for the foreseeable future.
I came across a Xavier podcast a week ago. What I got out it.
* Miller is a great coach and will always be in demand and his name will always be mentioned when these jobs are available.
* They don't think Miller would leave for Ohio State. He truly does love coaching at Xavier. But added you never know.
* Miller may have long term concerns about the financial health of XU, NIL, the amount XU spends on BB and there were a few other minor things. They noted:
* The President continues to address and already made several steps to address the financials of the university so this is not being ignored. (This has been in the
news the last 3 years.)
* Increasing NIL is supposedly being addressed also.
* They want XU to spend on basketball what UConn, Marquette and Georgetown do. Something was remodeled in the Cintas this past summer and they have
plans for other Cintas changes to maximize revenue.
* And if in 1, 2, 3 years out there is no progress on the areas of possible concern, then he can still leave anytime as he will be in demand.
There are some boosters behind the scenes that are not happy with the president's commitment to the basketball program. They see the top 3 teams making a commitment and they want more from the university. I have family in Cincinnati and they have told me this for a few years now. X got somewhat lucky last year with Souley Boum being the best transfer in the BE, then Miller did an incredible job taking the roster and getting the most out of them as X had been middle of the pack before he took over. All of your remediation steps make sense (more NIL, better facilities etc.) but the question remains is it enough to keep Miller around. I hope it is enough, as having big name coaches is very important for the BE, but I would not be surprised for a second if Miller left for OSU.
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He has a .720 career winning percentage overall. He won the Pac12 5 times in 12 seasons at Arizona. Made 7 of 11 NCAA Tournaments at Arizona, never as a seed lower than a 6 (they were only higher than a 6 seed once in the 6 years prior to him taking over). Has made 4 Elite 8s and 4 other Sweet 16s. 21-12 NCAA Tournament record. If he's not great, he's pretty dang good.
That's sort of my point (at Zona) he had talent and recourses where not a single final four seems like an issue. I'd certainly take him in a heart beat if we didn't also have a good coach but I think it's worth pointing out that with an awful lot of nba talent at Zona he never got to weekend 3.
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It is self-sustaining, but the institutional support plays a large part. We are very lucky to have Lovell as the president; but there is always a chance that the next president would not support the program as much as Lovell, making it hard to attract coaches, keep facilities up to date etc. There is a big difference between being self-sustaining and wanting to spend the extra cash to have a top program. There is a reason Shaka mentions the alignment between the president and AD at MU five plus times a year.
+1. Remember when the Poet took over MU? He was only here briefly but did plenty of damage.
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+1. Remember when the Poet took over MU? He was only here briefly but did plenty of damage.
That was terrible and a memory that I have put out of my mind. Look at Georgetown if you want an example of how an administration can run down a program. So much nepotism and incompetence.
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He has a .720 career winning percentage overall. He won the Pac12 5 times in 12 seasons at Arizona. Made 7 of 11 NCAA Tournaments at Arizona, never as a seed lower than a 6 (they were only higher than a 6 seed once in the 6 years prior to him taking over). Has made 4 Elite 8s and 4 other Sweet 16s. 21-12 NCAA Tournament record. If he's not great, he's pretty dang good.
With the advent of NIL, Miller lost his competitive advantage of illicit bag drops. He's not so great on an even playing field.
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I think he's proven to be good from his (excluding this year) tenure at X but I always thought he under performed at Zona relative to talent and expectations so I'd question great as well.
He expected to have to two Senior starters this season before season ending injuries before the season and the rest are all underclassmen. He has them at .500 with what I think was rated the 4th most difficult schedule this season per the announcers on Sunday.
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He expected to have to two Senior starters this season before season ending injuries before the season and the rest are all underclassmen. He has them at .500 with what I think was rated the 4th most difficult schedule this season per the announcers on Sunday.
Eh, Olivari, McKnight, and Ousmane are all in either their 4th or 5th years. I'm not 100% sure of the timeline of those guys coming and others getting hurt, but it is not just underclassmen. That's the risk that you play when you rely as heavily on the portal as he has, a Souley Boum level player is not always there to get. I'd give him a pass this year because of the injuries, but it's clear that he's gotta focus more on the development of four year players rather than buying a new team every year, and that has never seemed like his strong suit.
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+1. Remember when the Poet took over MU? He was only here briefly but did plenty of damage.
Pilarz is the worst. He closed Angelo’s and ruined FFP. He can never be forgiven
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Pilarz is the worst. He closed Angelo’s and ruined FFP. He can never be forgiven
Angelos closed early my sophomore year which would've been 2010, pretty sure Wild was still president. Agree on FFP and the general unfriendly atmosphere to parties and socializing.
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Angelos closed early my sophomore year which would've been 2010, pretty sure Wild was still president. Agree on FFP and the general unfriendly atmosphere to parties and socializing.
I still blame Pilarz. He wanted to make MU a dry campus
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As an FFP alum, I am still bitter. Bad move to discontinue you the program.
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Y’all realize that they just rebranded FFP and moved it away from being a conditional admit program right?
https://www.marquette.edu/emerging-scholars-program/
Probably because conditional admits from back in the day are likely just getting straight admission today.
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Sultan
Huh?
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Sultan
Huh?
FFP was a summer "preview" for students that were conditionally admitted to Marquette right? They have a similar program still, but for students already admitted. And that's likely because there aren't many (any?) conditional admits any longer. Most schools don't.
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Eh, Olivari, McKnight, and Ousmane are all in either their 4th or 5th years. I'm not 100% sure of the timeline of those guys coming and others getting hurt, but it is not just underclassmen. That's the risk that you play when you rely as heavily on the portal as he has, a Souley Boum level player is not always there to get. I'd give him a pass this year because of the injuries, but it's clear that he's gotta focus more on the development of four year players rather than buying a new team every year, and that has never seemed like his strong suit.
Olivari was a pretty dang good portal add. Could make a case better than Boum.
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I still blame Pilarz. He wanted to make MU a dry campus
If that happened it would have been because he drank it dry.
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Is Miller a "great" coach?
Great from November to February.
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Great from November to February.
I'm not a fan of Miller because he cheated at AZ. I don't think he is great but I'll go so far as to say he is very good.
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I'm not a fan of Miller because he cheated at AZ. I don't think he is great but I'll go so far as to say he is very good.
I still hold a grudge with Kelvin Sampson for texting recruits.
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I still hold a grudge with Kelvin Sampson for texting recruits.
;D
No grudge here, just think he had very good (not great) teams due to an unfair advantage. Pitino cheated but won (rumor is a National Championship at UofL, but I can't find any record of it)
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;D
No grudge here, just think he had very good (not great) teams due to an unfair advantage. Pitino cheated but won (rumor is a National Championship at UofL, but I can't find any record of it)
Pitino is a huuuuge slimeball cheater
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All adulterers should be banned from positions of authority. What say you?
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All adulterers should be banned from positions of authority. What say you?
(https://media.tenor.com/tZGM8sQwlFwAAAAM/spongebob-cant-wait.gif)
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Pitino is a huuuuge slimeball cheater
Insight worthy of exalted scholars, Dung Willie
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All adulterers should be banned from positions of authority. What say you?
Watt specific positions bother you, hey?
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Watt specific positions bother you, hey?
As an evangelical Christian, adultery is only a concern if it hurts my pocketbook
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I'm not a fan of Miller because he cheated at AZ. I don't think he is great but I'll go so far as to say he is very good.
U of A 2nd favorite team. Too many losses as better team in tourney. Bad last 3 years overall. It was time for a change. Lloyd been better in regular season, but would be nice if he'd do well in the tourney sooner rather than later. 2-2 so far, bad loss to Princeton, Mathurin doesn't make the shot, they don't make the Sweet 16 two years ago.
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As an evangelical Christian, adultery is only a concern if it hurts my pocketbook
So, missionary
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All adulterers should be banned from positions of authority. What say you?
I think they should be placed in a difficult position
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I think they should be placed in a difficult position
So, piledriver
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https://collegesportswire.usatoday.com/lists/michigan-basketball-coach-candidates-replace-juwan-howard/
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Absolutely Dusty May's time to get out for a big-boy gig before FAU turns back into an afterthought. Brian Dutcher makes a lot of sense for Michigan, except that he turns 65 this year. TJO and Oats already have great jobs, but maybe for one of them ... "it's Michigan, it's Michigan"? Have no idea yet if Tang is a good coach - he might be, but the resume is quite light.
Insulted that Shaka wasn't mentioned!
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Absolutely Dusty May's time to get out for a big-boy gig before FAU turns back into an afterthought. Brian Dutcher makes a lot of sense for Michigan, except that he turns 65 this year. TJO and Oats already have great jobs, but maybe for one of them ... "it's Michigan, it's Michigan"? Have no idea yet if Tang is a good coach - he might be, but the resume is quite light.
Insulted that Shaka wasn't mentioned!
TJO with Michigan’s money cannon will find it way easier to tamper with other teams rosters
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Absolutely Dusty May's time to get out for a big-boy gig before FAU turns back into an afterthought. Brian Dutcher makes a lot of sense for Michigan, except that he turns 65 this year. TJO and Oats already have great jobs, but maybe for one of them ... "it's Michigan, it's Michigan"? Have no idea yet if Tang is a good coach - he might be, but the resume is quite light.
Insulted that Shaka wasn't mentioned!
MU Scoop - "Oh damn, Shaka is listed as a canidate for X job"
MU Scoop - "Oh damn, Shaka is not listed as a canidate for X job"
;D
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MU Scoop - "Oh damn, Shaka is listed as a canidate for X job"
MU Scoop - "Oh damn, Shaka is not listed as a canidate for X job"
;D
They actually mentioned on the broadcast yesterday that Shaka was thrilled to get the job at Marquette because it was a place he could retire.
I hadn't heard that until yesterday. I'd love to have him here until he decides to retire. We need stability in a head coach rather than someone using it as a stepping stone like Crean and Buzz.
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They actually mentioned on the broadcast yesterday that Shaka was thrilled to get the job at Marquette because it was a place he could retire.
I hadn't heard that until yesterday. I'd love to have him here until he decides to retire. We need stability in a head coach rather than someone using it as a stepping stone like Crean and Buzz.
It was not clear to me whether or not Shaka actually said those words, but I hope so. Marquette will, of course, need to continue to keep him happy with not just $ but also a free hand in running the program. Marquette and Shaka certainly seem to have the perfect marriage.
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It was not clear to me whether or not Shaka actually said those words, but I hope so. Marquette will, of course, need to continue to keep him happy with not just $ but also a free hand in running the program. Marquette and Shaka certainly seem to have the perfect marriage.
Ya, it was weird the way they set up that whole comment, but that was the first I had heard anyone mention him retiring here. That would be great if he coached another 20 years here and built some stability here.
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Absolutely Dusty May's time to get out for a big-boy gig before FAU turns back into an afterthought. Brian Dutcher makes a lot of sense for Michigan, except that he turns 65 this year. TJO and Oats already have great jobs, but maybe for one of them ... "it's Michigan, it's Michigan"? Have no idea yet if Tang is a good coach - he might be, but the resume is quite light.
Insulted that Shaka wasn't mentioned!
I like how they mention Oats has Midwest ties due to his time in Wisconsin...then ignores or is unaware of the fact that he spent a decade plus coaching HS basketball a half hour from Ann Arbor.
You'd have to think Mussleman's agent has to be throwing his name in there hard. With Michigan's resources I think he'd kill it
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Ya, it was weird the way they set up that whole comment, but that was the first I had heard anyone mention him retiring here. That would be great if he coached another 20 years here and built some stability here.
I thought the way the announcers said it, it was their opinion he could retire here. I did not take it as they were attributing those words to Shaka. I could be wrong tho.
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Opportunity opening up in West Coast Conference at Pacific. Wonder if any of our assistant coaches are viable candidates?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39653186/pacific-fires-coach-leonard-perry-three-seasons
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Opportunity opening up in West Coast Conference at Pacific. Wonder if any of our assistant coaches are viable candidates?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39653186/pacific-fires-coach-leonard-perry-three-seasons
Problem is, they'd have to live in unnatural carnal knowledgeing Stockton.
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I thought the way the announcers said it, it was their opinion he could retire here. I did not take it as they were attributing those words to Shaka. I could be wrong tho.
Agree, but I think announcers should be a little clearer that they are speculating. It's not asking that much from them.
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Agree, but I think announcers should be a little clearer that they are speculating. It's not asking that much from them.
It is not too much to ask. Forget being even being professionals, just simple honesty.
Sounds like the broadcast team was not great all around. The JV team got to go to Omaha.
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/court-report-college-basketballs-coaching-carousel-season-is-here-so-lets-look-at-the-jobs-that-could-open/
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https://gbmwolverine.com/posts/updated-odds-of-michigan-basketball-head-coach-juwan-howard-getting-fired-01hras5g8wk1
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Detroit Mercy opened up.
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Detroit Mercy opened up.
Woj time?
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Hologram Vitale.
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Woj time?
Haynes time
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https://gbmwolverine.com/posts/updated-odds-of-michigan-basketball-head-coach-juwan-howard-getting-fired-01hras5g8wk1
But...but.....the AD just recently dispelled the rumors that Howard was in danger of being fired, didn't he?
Or something like that. I just don't understand.
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Haynes time
Selfishly, I'd like to think he'd want to shoot a bit higher than Detroit Mercy. Still young, been on the bench at 3 big time programs the last 5 years. He's got the profile of a guy that could get a decent MAC or MVC job instead of a dead end gig that has been a coach graveyard.
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Selfishly, I'd like to think he'd want to shoot a bit higher than Detroit Mercy. Still young, been on the bench at 3 big time programs the last 5 years. He's got the profile of a guy that could get a decent MAC or MVC job instead of a dead end gig that has been a coach graveyard.
Agree
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1766124405678109029?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
McDermott signs extension.
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It seems he is getting very well-versed in floating his name out there for an extension. It feels like that's happened a lot recently for him.
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Good for Creighton.
Meanwhile, DePaul dropped Tony Stubblefield early, presumably to get ahead of the coaching searches elsewhere and get to the front of the line. How's that going?
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How good is Drew Valentine? Is he going to be on the radar for some bigger programs? Looks like Loyola found another really good coach.
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Good for Creighton.
Meanwhile, DePaul dropped Tony Stubblefield early, presumably to get ahead of the coaching searches elsewhere and get to the front of the line. How's that going?
Trilly's latest update on that says Moser is the current favorite FWIW
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Trilly's latest update on that says Moser is the current favorite FWIW
So much for Marquette dominating that series
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Trilly's latest update on that says Moser is the current favorite FWIW
If DePaul has patience and can Penny up some coin to remotely be competitive for NIL I think he'll actually do decently. Certainly could be a "we're good every 3-4yrs" type of program.
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Good for Creighton.
Meanwhile, DePaul dropped Tony Stubblefield early, presumably to get ahead of the coaching searches elsewhere and get to the front of the line. How's that going?
And good for the Big East.
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If DePaul has patience and can Penny up some coin to remotely be competitive for NIL I think he'll actually do decently. Certainly could be a "we're good every 3-4yrs" type of program.
Anfernee Hardaway is not getting that job.
I think you meant “🐴 up.” 😜
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Anfernee Hardaway is not getting that job.
I think you meant “🐴 up.” 😜
Hah nice
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How good is Drew Valentine? Is he going to be on the radar for some bigger programs? Looks like Loyola found another really good coach.
Drew has MSU lineage, grew up in Lansing father played for Spartans and he was a Graduate Manager there. My guess is he is hoping to position to get Izzo job when he retires.
3 or 4 more strong years at A-10 level would position him well for that job.
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Drew has MSU lineage, grew up in Lansing father played for Spartans and he was a Graduate Manager there. My guess is he is hoping to position to get Izzo job when he retires.
3 or 4 more strong years at A-10 level would position him well for that job.
Surprised more Loyola players haven’t been arrested yet
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Sister Jean has pull with the CPD.
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Sister Jean has pull with the CPD.
Just like Izzo in East Lansing. SMDH
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Trilly's latest update on that says Moser is the current favorite FWIW
Big 12 is the stepping stone to the Big East. :D
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Big 12 is the stepping stone to the Big East. :D
YEP!
Trilly Donovan was recently quoted as saying the two most important things for retaining a top coach are 1. NIL funding availability 2. Conference Stability
Given the worries about ultimate down-the-line Big East inclusion in the Power2,3,6 whatever….
if Moser ends up at Depaul, it clearly means A. They’re very committed 💰 and “they got a guy” B. The BigEast is part of the big-boy landscape for the foreseeable future.
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Drew has MSU lineage, grew up in Lansing father played for Spartans and he was a Graduate Manager there. My guess is he is hoping to position to get Izzo job when he retires.
3 or 4 more strong years at A-10 level would position him well for that job.
Izzo aint lasting three or four more years at MSU, so it'll be before that. Plus, his son just had senior night... just saying.
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Izzo aint lasting three or four more years at MSU, so it'll be before that. Plus, his son just had senior night... just saying.
And they ain’t hiring Drew Valentine on the cheap
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Keefe's guy is gone.
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Hopkins gone at Washington
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https://x.com/goodmanhoops/status/1766178032706814405?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
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Hopkins gone at Washington
Right before the final PAC12 tournament? That's cruel.
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https://x.com/goodmanhoops/status/1766178032706814405?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Who knew that hiring a 32 year old with only 4 years as an assistant at a single mid major program wouldn’t work out? Unless you thought there was an angle with his Dad’s AAU program
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Who knew that hiring a 32 year old with only 4 years as an assistant at a single mid major program wouldn’t work out? Unless you thought there was an angle with his Dad’s AAU program
had some prior season success there. Lost two key guys off last seasons team to BIG schools that hurt him. Results business, for sure.
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rumors of Scott drew going places-indiana, louisville
curious to see if Baylor will let him go after essentially resurrecting a program, winning a natty and building a new arena for him
I believe the guy they should go after is his brother Bryce. he would be more "gettable"
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rumors of Scott drew going places-indiana, louisville
curious to see if Baylor will let him go after essentially resurrecting a program, winning a natty and building a new arena for him
I believe the guy they should go after is his brother Bryce. he would be more "gettable"
He was pretty bad at Vandy. Some stuff that was unfortunate but he completely lost the team his final year.
He’s been pretty good at Grand Canyon, but not the caliber of someone you’d expect for a job like IU or even Louisville
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rumors of Scott drew going places-indiana, louisville
curious to see if Baylor will let him go after essentially resurrecting a program, winning a natty and building a new arena for him
I believe the guy they should go after is his brother Bryce. he would be more "gettable"
“Let him go?” He likely has buyout provisions outlined in his contract.
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Dana Ford out at Missouri State. I guess they have great expectations of what their program should be
https://hoopdirt.com/dana-ford-out-as-head-basketball-coach-at-missouri-state/
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-coaching-tracker-2024-ohio-state-west-virginia-depaul-are-the-first-big-six-jobs-to-open/amp/
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@CoachingChanges
We are told from a new source (unvetted but does happen to work directly for one of the best connected people in college basketball circles) that Porter Moser is "done" to DePaul.
Not sure we believe it.
Also not sure we don't.
Time will tell.
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Hope that’s true.
Called that one if so. Good fit for both parties imo.
Porter should bring in the kid from uwm, would be a huge upgrade for DePaul.
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@CoachingChanges
We are told from a new source (unvetted but does happen to work directly for one of the best connected people in college basketball circles) that Porter Moser is "done" to DePaul.
Not sure we believe it.
Also not sure we don't.
Time will tell.
If it turns out to be true, I think this would be the best answer for DePaul. Moser, back in his beloved Chicago, likely still has plenty of local recruiting contacts, even though I know many recruits choose schools far from home. I could imagine him getting them out of the cellar. Expecting anything more than moving up 2-3 of spots in the BE anytime in the next several years is not realistic. It took him a while with Loyola, but he kept at it. If DP is serious about salvaging what's left of their program and gives him the support he needs, this is good news. No doubt he knows the fans will not return for a very long time and will be few in number.
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Moser would be a good hire for DePaul but I don’t really understand why it’s good news from an MU perspective. Them being in the absolute cellar of college basketball has worked out just fine for us. Would prefer them to stay that way unless there’s something I’m missing.
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He was pretty bad at Vandy. Some stuff that was unfortunate but he completely lost the team his final year.
He’s been pretty good at Grand Canyon, but not the caliber of someone you’d expect for a job like IU or even Louisville
Darius Garland being injured the entire year is the "some stuff." New AD wanted to make a splash with Stackhouse and that didn't work out either.
Any idea if one of the assistants leaves, if Yaklich would want to join Shaka again?
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Moser would be a good hire for DePaul but I don’t really understand why it’s good news from an MU perspective. Them being in the absolute cellar of college basketball has worked out just fine for us. Would prefer them to stay that way unless there’s something I’m missing.
Because there is almost nothing to gain in NET by beating them. It's like playing another cupcake.
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Because there is almost nothing to gain in NET by beating them. It's like playing another cupcake.
Also, it can't hurt the next TV contract if the team in the league's second-largest market is actually watchable.
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Moser would be a good hire for DePaul but I don’t really understand why it’s good news from an MU perspective. Them being in the absolute cellar of college basketball has worked out just fine for us. Would prefer them to stay that way unless there’s something I’m missing.
Marquette’s performance has nothing to do with De Paul.
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What DePaul + Georgetown did for the Big East is create the illusion of solid teams who probably weren't.
The 3 Top 15 teams were never going to lose to the 10th and 11th team but you could expect the 6-9th teams to lose one or two. Instead they all sweep DePaul + Georgetown and you end up with this on the back half of the conference:
10-10
10-10
9-11
9-11
2-18
0-20
Maybe with a normal 10th + last place team Xavier goes 7-13 instead of 9-11 and you look at them a lot different.
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I feel like there would be fairly minimal overlap from a recruiting perspective between Moser and Shaka. Based on comparing their styles for the MU job at least.
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I doubt that the league's tv contract is impacted by DePaul being good or bad. They still have Chicago viewers who tune in to watch whoever is stomping DePaul that night. Plus, I never had the4 sense that DePaul has any huge, mystical fan base in Chicago that will suddenly come to life if they have a good team. Chicagoans were legitimately interested when Loyola made the tournament run a couple of years ago, but they were mostly, I think, amused at Sister Jean and the media attention she was getting. I agree that Moser could greatly improve the team, but so could a lot of other legitimate coaches if DePaul could get them. It would be easy to improve over what they have had recently. Every league has its bottom-dweller, but it does seem like DePaul has been in that role for an awful long time.
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https://x.com/coachingchanges/status/1767177411819683992?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
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What DePaul + Georgetown did for the Big East is create the illusion of solid teams who probably weren't.
The 3 Top 15 teams were never going to lose to the 10th and 11th team but you could expect the 6-9th teams to lose one or two. Instead they all sweep DePaul + Georgetown and you end up with this on the back half of the conference:
10-10
10-10
9-11
9-11
2-18
0-20
Maybe with a normal 10th + last place team Xavier goes 7-13 instead of 9-11 and you look at them a lot different.
Would you though? Before X played a conference game they were 6-5 with losses to Delaware and Oakland. I don't think they were ever projected to be a tournament team once their injuries were known.
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Would you though? Before X played a conference game they were 6-5 with losses to Delaware and Oakland. I don't think they were ever projected to be a tournament team once their injuries were known.
X had their two bad non conference losses, which they had an excuse with the lost of the injured players and having to rebuild 14 players from their roster as Coach Miller noted in his post MU Press Conference. .
Nova lost 3 games to Big 5 Opponents which screwed The Big East. As Muggys would say, Inexcusable
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X had their two bad non conference losses, which they had an excuse with the lost of the injured players and having to rebuild 14 players from their roster as Coach Miller noted in his post MU Press Conference. .
Nova lost 3 games to Big 5 Opponents which screwed The Big East. As Muggys would say, Inexcusable
Could Nova be voted out of the Big East?
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https://x.com/coachingchanges/status/1767177411819683992?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
Incredible if true
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https://x.com/coachingchanges/status/1767177411819683992?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
If true, that's just another coach under a long-term contract quitting on his team - and not just at the end of a season but during a season that could include an NCAA tournament bid. Reminiscent of Brian Kelly bolting on Notre Dame, and of course many others including our own KO and Crean.
And yet some of the same folks who are so against college athletes having freedom of movement and/or football players protecting their financial futures by skipping exhibition bowl games seem to have little problem with coaches who walk out on their teams.
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If true, that's just another coach under a long-term contract quitting on his team - and not just at the end of a season but during a season that could include an NCAA tournament bid. Reminiscent of Brian Kelly bolting on Notre Dame, and of course many others including our own KO and Crean.
And yet some of the same folks who are so against college athletes having freedom of movement and/or football players protecting their financial futures by skipping exhibition bowl games seem to have little problem with coaches who walk out on their teams.
I agree with this. But selfishly I want my second favorite coach in my neighborhood!
Also great running into you in Cincy, the real-life personality to match your top 5 poster status
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https://x.com/coachingchanges/status/1767177411819683992?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
I love the phrase "tentatively official" call. Ha!
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If true, that's just another coach under a long-term contract quitting on his team - and not just at the end of a season but during a season that could include an NCAA tournament bid. Reminiscent of Brian Kelly bolting on Notre Dame, and of course many others including our own KO and Crean.
And yet some of the same folks who are so against college athletes having freedom of movement and/or football players protecting their financial futures by skipping exhibition bowl games seem to have little problem with coaches who walk out on their teams.
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X had their two bad non conference losses, which they had an excuse with the lost of the injured players and having to rebuild 14 players from their roster as Coach Miller noted in his post MU Press Conference. .
Nova lost 3 games to Big 5 Opponents which screwed The Big East. As Muggys would say, Inexcusable
But the Big 5 did an excellent job at screwing the BE.
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You're so dramatic.
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PM denying the DePaul rumor but not not voiceferously enough for me. I think it’s edging closer to #donedeal.
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https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/college/sooners/2024/03/11/porter-moser-depaul-rumors-ou-basketball-oklahoma-sooners-sec-better-job-big-east-blue-demons/72930441007/
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@PorterMoser
Heard all the rumors this afternoon 🤦♂️ and want to say emphatically THERE IS ZERO TRUTH!!
I LOVE Oklahoma and Sooner Nation ❤️🤍
These accounts make stuff up and there is no validity to any of these “sources” b/c I have spoken to NO ONE about any job!!
https://twitter.com/PorterMoser/status/1767358650287284556
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@PorterMoser
Heard all the rumors this afternoon 🤦♂️ and want to say emphatically THERE IS ZERO TRUTH!!
I LOVE Oklahoma and Sooner Nation ❤️🤍
These accounts make stuff up and there is no validity to any of these “sources” b/c I have spoken to NO ONE about any job!!
https://twitter.com/PorterMoser/status/1767358650287284556
he gowne
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"Heard all the rumors this afternoon" -- lol
Not very convincing, but enough to make himself look like a real a-hole if he leaves for DePaul. I suppose what choice did he have with his team's season very much still alive.
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Steve Lappas in the Huggie Bear to DePaul camp as a good idea
https://voiceofmotown.com/bob-huggins-considered-perfect-candidate-for-head-coach-opening/
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Steve Lappas in the Huggie Bear to DePaul camp as a good idea
https://voiceofmotown.com/bob-huggins-considered-perfect-candidate-for-head-coach-opening/
Lappas must be as good at picking coaching hires as he is at commentating.
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"Heard all the rumors this afternoon" -- lol
Not very convincing, but enough to make himself look like a real a-hole if he leaves for DePaul. I suppose what choice did he have with his team's season very much still alive.
If he really is headed to DePaul AND had no part in the leaks AND stays with his team until their season is over, why do you think he would be seen as an a-hole?
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Gary Barnett bolted Northwestern for Colorado about 10 seconds after tearfully telling his Northwestern players he wouldn't leave. And he's hardly the only one to do that or something similar.
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https://x.com/coachingchanges/status/1767177411819683992?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
Shiiit... we could have had Porter Moser instead of Shaka?
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Gary Barnett bolted Northwestern for Colorado about 10 seconds after tearfully telling his Northwestern players he wouldn't leave. And he's hardly the only one to do that or something similar.
In fairness to Barnett: Nov. 1996 “I don’t think you ever say ‘never’ or ‘always.’ I don’t know at this point in time,” he said when asked if he would still be coaching Northwestern next season.
Also, Barnett and/or Colorado paid Northwestern : When the NU AD was asked about Barnett's buyout amount (in response to ND rumors);
“Lots,” Northwestern athletic director Rick Taylor said Monday without giving specifics.
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In fairness to Barnett: Nov. 1996 “I don’t think you ever say ‘never’ or ‘always.’ I don’t know at this point in time,” he said when asked if he would still be coaching Northwestern next season.
And yet, literally hours before he bolted Northwestern, he told his own Northwestern players - the ones he had spent years preaching "loyalty" to - that he wasn't going anywhere.
Look, I don't begrudge anybody improving his or her lot in life. Just don't be a liar and hypocrite. And there are lots of hypocrites in coaching when it comes to athletes having anything close to the freedom of movement that coaches have had for decades.
This is all being said in the context of Moser perhaps going from Oklahoma to DePaul. If he thinks that's a better fit for himself, cool. But if so, after basically using the coaching transfer portal for himself twice in 3 years, he damn well better never whine about any of his athletes hitting the transfer portal.
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After 17 years Long Beach State lets Dan Monson go
https://hoopdirt.com/monson-long-beach-state-agree-to-mutually-part-ways/
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Bolted Gonzaga for the greener pastures of Minnesota. Guess that did not work out.
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It worked out great for Gonzaga and Mark Few!
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And yet, literally hours before he bolted Northwestern, he told his own Northwestern players - the ones he had spent years preaching "loyalty" to - that he wasn't going anywhere.
Look, I don't begrudge anybody improving his or her lot in life. Just don't be a liar and hypocrite. And there are lots of hypocrites in coaching when it comes to athletes having anything close to the freedom of movement that coaches have had for decades.
This is all being said in the context of Moser perhaps going from Oklahoma to DePaul. If he thinks that's a better fit for himself, cool. But if so, after basically using the coaching transfer portal for himself twice in 3 years, he damn well better never whine about any of his athletes hitting the transfer portal.
I agree that none of the coaches can be trusted with pledges of loyalty.
IMO, I do think the athletes have had "close" to the freedom of movement that coaches have. They have been free to transfer with a year to sit out. There have been plenty of transfers in my 35 years of following college hoops so it wasn't so onerous as to effectively prohibit transfers.
As for today, college players have greater freedom than coaches or other professional athletes. The script has flipped.
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I agree that none of the coaches can be trusted with pledges of loyalty.
IMO, I do think the athletes have had "close" to the freedom of movement that coaches have. They have been free to transfer with a year to sit out. There have been plenty of transfers in my 35 years of following college hoops so it wasn't so onerous as to effectively prohibit transfers.
As for today, college players have greater freedom than coaches or other professional athletes. The script has flipped.
Good
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IMO, I do think the athletes have had "close" to the freedom of movement that coaches have. They have been free to transfer with a year to sit out. There have been plenty of transfers in my 35 years of following college hoops so it wasn't so onerous as to effectively prohibit transfers.
In those 35 years, no coach ever had to sit out a year before being allowed to continue his career. Sorry, but it wasn't a "close" situation at all. Athletes were punished for exercising the little bit of freedom of movement they had.
As for today, college players have greater freedom than coaches or other professional athletes. The script has flipped.
They don't have greater freedom than coaches now, they have equal freedom. Coaches can and do leave anytime to go anywhere, and the players finally have the same ... and lots of coaches whine about it incessantly.
Greater "freedom" than professional athletes? I'll give you that one, WT. The major sports leagues require a certain number of years of service before athletes become free agents, whereas college athletes now can transfer without penalty. So that's good.
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In those 35 years, no coach ever had to sit out a year before being allowed to continue his career. Sorry, but it wasn't a "close" situation at all. Athletes were punished for exercising the little bit of freedom of movement they had.
They don't have greater freedom than coaches now, they have equal freedom. Coaches can and do leave anytime to go anywhere, and the players finally have the same ... and lots of coaches whine about it incessantly.
Greater "freedom" than professional athletes? I'll give you that one, WT. The major sports leagues require a certain number of years of service before athletes become free agents, whereas college athletes now can transfer without penalty. So that's good.
Coaches do have clauses in their contract concerning breach of contract. What you are not taking into consideration are the schools that have not signed/pursue coaches because their buyout is too steep. With that payers, have more freedom than current coaches, which is fine by me.
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In those 35 years, no coach ever had to sit out a year before being allowed to continue his career. Sorry, but it wasn't a "close" situation at all. Athletes were punished for exercising the little bit of freedom of movement they had.
They don't have greater freedom than coaches now, they have equal freedom. Coaches can and do leave anytime to go anywhere, and the players finally have the same ... and lots of coaches whine about it incessantly.
Greater "freedom" than professional athletes? I'll give you that one, WT. The major sports leagues require a certain number of years of service before athletes become free agents, whereas college athletes now can transfer without penalty. So that's good.
We have different definitions of "close". Also, you don't acknowledge the existence of buyouts when coaches leave (or alternatively I have a wildly fanciful imagination that buyouts do exist), which creates a wider gap in our ideas of "close".
Regardless of that, your point that coaches have enjoyed a greater level of freedom is factually correct, we just differ on the perceived degree of difference. Nothing wrong with that. Different opinions are why horse tracks and sports books exist.
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We have different definitions of "close". Also, you don't acknowledge the existence of buyouts when coaches leave (or alternatively I have a wildly fanciful imagination that buyouts do exist), which creates a wider gap in our ideas of "close".
Regardless of that, your point that coaches have enjoyed a greater level of freedom is factually correct, we just differ on the perceived degree of difference. Nothing wrong with that. Different opinions are why horse tracks and sports books exist.
1. Buyouts no matta.
2. Players having to sit out an entire season vs coaches who could go from their old job on a Mon to starting their new job on a Tue = not "close" to equal levels of freedom. But sure, if you feel otherwise, you're entitled to that opinion.
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We have different definitions of "close". Also, you don't acknowledge the existence of buyouts when coaches leave (or alternatively I have a wildly fanciful imagination that buyouts do exist), which creates a wider gap in our ideas of "close".
Regardless of that, your point that coaches have enjoyed a greater level of freedom is factually correct, we just differ on the perceived degree of difference. Nothing wrong with that. Different opinions are why horse tracks and sports books exist.
Eyes rolled out of my head
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Eyes rolled out of my head
that happens at times during scoop johnson measuring contests
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Kenny Payne out at Louisville.
Shaka Smart is expected to take the gig
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#donedeal
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Rumors came at a bad time for OU Basketball
https://sports.yahoo.com/mussatto-porter-moser-depaul-rumors-103026300.html
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Kenny Payne out at Louisville.
Shaka Smart is expected to take the gig
Louisville will be an interesting hire to watch. I think Payne stayed as long as he did because UofL's financial situation is not ideal. Could that play into the hire?
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Louisville will be an interesting hire to watch. I think Payne stayed as long as he did because UofL's financial situation is not ideal. Could that play into the hire?
No
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Louisville will be an interesting hire to watch. I think Payne stayed as long as he did because UofL's financial situation is not ideal. Could that play into the hire?
As long as he did? He lasted two seasons and is still being paid a $8 million buy-out.
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As long as he did? He lasted two seasons and is still being paid a $8 million buy-out.
Just reading takes from the Louisville board over the past 2 years. I think it if fair to say that he should have been fired after year 1 at a school like Louisville and maybe 20-30 other programs.
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Message board fans are idiots. <waves arms around>
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I'm hoping Billy Donovan take the Louisville job.
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I'd say Musselman at a minimum in the mix at UL. Shocked Payne lasted a 2nd year.
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Buzz would’ve killed for the Louisville job during his run at Marquette, but I don’t think he’s a hot enough name anymore. I could see Chris Beard being a prime candidate. TJO, too. No one stays at Iowa State.
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Just reading takes from the Louisville board over the past 2 years. I think it if fair to say that he should have been fired after year 1 at a school like Louisville and maybe 20-30 other programs.
I'd say Musselman at a minimum in the mix at UL. Shocked Payne lasted a 2nd year.
Honest question, when was the last time a coach was fired after a single season without off the court issues? Has it ever happened?
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Louisville will be an interesting hire to watch. I think Payne stayed as long as he did because UofL's financial situation is not ideal. Could that play into the hire?
Louisville gig is no better than MU, unless you like horse racing.
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Louisville gig is no better than MU, unless you like horse racing.
That's not really accurate.
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Honest question, when was the last time a coach was fired after a single season without off the court issues? Has it ever happened?
I don't know the answer to that.
I hate to answer a question with a question, but has there ever been as bad of a performance as Payne's first year? 4 wins at Louisville?
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Louisville gig is no better than MU, unless you like horse racing.
Yes it is
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Honest question, when was the last time a coach was fired after a single season without off the court issues? Has it ever happened?
Frank Reich. 😝
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Message board fans are idiots. <waves arms around>
You win the internet today - well done.
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I don't know the answer to that.
I hate to answer a question with a question, but has there ever been a bad of a performance as Payne's first year? 4 wins at Louisville?
That's a fair question. Only one I can think of in the same neighborhood is Tom Crean at Indiana. 6-25, 1-17 in conference.
Funny enough, i think IU fans would kill for Tom Crean at this point
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Beard will likely be the guy for L'Ville.
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In those 35 years, no coach ever had to sit out a year before being allowed to continue his career. Sorry, but it wasn't a "close" situation at all. Athletes were punished for exercising the little bit of freedom of movement they had.
They don't have greater freedom than coaches now, they have equal freedom. Coaches can and do leave anytime to go anywhere, and the players finally have the same ... and lots of coaches whine about it incessantly.
Greater "freedom" than professional athletes? I'll give you that one, WT. The major sports leagues require a certain number of years of service before athletes become free agents, whereas college athletes now can transfer without penalty. So that's good.
I don't get your fixation on college players needing freedom to change teams.
For the vast majority of HS players, they can't change teams unless their parents sell their house and move--by and large they're locked into the same public school regardless of any coaching changes. And I know this isn't universal--some jurisdictions you can transfer to a private school and be eligible right away. But the point is most kids aren't in private schools and can't easily transfer schools.
In the pros, players are committed to a team based on contract--a coach leaves or is fired, the player doesn't have a right to change teams.
Why is it that *college* players should uniquely deserve mobility that neither HS nor pros enjoy?
And I think the downsides are worse for the sport than the upsides.
The most obvious one is that it shifts the balance of power in favor of the high-major teams. With the one-year transfer rule, it was the biggest thing stopping wholesale poaching of players from lower levels. I don't know if guys like Ed Croswell or Tristan Newton or Tyler Kolek would have stayed with LaSalle, East Carolina or GMU respectively--but removing the transfer rule eliminates a huge consideration.
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Beard will likely be the guy for L'Ville.
https://twitter.com/OleMissMBB/status/1767914768206049438
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I don't get your fixation on college players needing freedom to change teams.
For the vast majority of HS players, they can't change teams unless their parents sell their house and move--by and large they're locked into the same public school regardless of any coaching changes. And I know this isn't universal--some jurisdictions you can transfer to a private school and be eligible right away. But the point is most kids aren't in private schools and can't easily transfer schools.
In the pros, players are committed to a team based on contract--a coach leaves or is fired, the player doesn't have a right to change teams.
Why is it that *college* players should uniquely deserve mobility that neither HS nor pros enjoy?
And I think the downsides are worse for the sport than the upsides.
The most obvious one is that it shifts the balance of power in favor of the high-major teams. With the one-year transfer rule, it was the biggest thing stopping wholesale poaching of players from lower levels. I don't know if guys like Ed Croswell or Tristan Newton or Tyler Kolek would have stayed with LaSalle, East Carolina or GMU respectively--but removing the transfer rule eliminates a huge consideration.
College athletes are adults. I simply believe they should have the same freedom of movement that the other adults in their field do.
Also, did you know that for decades only college athletes in five sports - football, men's and women's basketball, hockey and baseball - were subject to restrictions on freedom of movement? Why shouldn't a basketball player have the same freedom of movement as his or her peers in wrestling, lacrosse and swimming - sports that are bigger at some universities than baseball or hockey (or even football) are? For that matter, why shouldn't a scholarship athlete have the same freedom of movement as a scholarship dancer or trombone player or student journalist?
What I'm "fixated" on is the idea that coaches preach loyalty to their athletes when it's convenient and beneficial for them to do so, but then often show little to no loyalty themselves. For decades, they believed it was their right to improve their lot in life but that the adult athletes under their charge should not have the same right.
Anyhoo, we can debate this all we want ... the fact is that the rules have changed and college athletes finally have the freedom of movement a large swath of society believes they always should have had. And the genie ain't going back into the bottle. So coaches (and fans, for that matter) can either embrace it and deal with it, or get out.
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I don't get your fixation on college players needing freedom to change teams.
For the vast majority of HS players, they can't change teams unless their parents sell their house and move--by and large they're locked into the same public school regardless of any coaching changes. And I know this isn't universal--some jurisdictions you can transfer to a private school and be eligible right away. But the point is most kids aren't in private schools and can't easily transfer schools.
In the pros, players are committed to a team based on contract--a coach leaves or is fired, the player doesn't have a right to change teams.
Why is it that *college* players should uniquely deserve mobility that neither HS nor pros enjoy?
And I think the downsides are worse for the sport than the upsides.
The most obvious one is that it shifts the balance of power in favor of the high-major teams. With the one-year transfer rule, it was the biggest thing stopping wholesale poaching of players from lower levels. I don't know if guys like Ed Croswell or Tristan Newton or Tyler Kolek would have stayed with LaSalle, East Carolina or GMU respectively--but removing the transfer rule eliminates a huge consideration.
High school kids are not adults. That's just a silly comparison.
NBA athletes are employees and are *willingly* bound to the restrictions placed on their movement by a collective bargaining arrangement with the teams. The reason they have done so is in return for other items they benefit from - compensation, working arrangements, etc.
College athletes are not employees. They have not willingly restricted their movement based on a collective bargaining arrangement. These are rules that were placed upon them.
And the shift towards high-major teams has happened LONG before the one year transfer rule. Conference consolidation, and the media rights deals that major conferences have earned in the process, have shifted the power to the major schools to a MUCH greater degree than player movement has. The amount that schools like Marquette can pay its coach, not to mention how the team travels, is supported, etc. created different tiers of programs long ago.
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I'm not sure the high school argument even works. Most of the top players can hand pick which prep school they want to go to nowadays
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I'm not sure the high school argument even works. Most of the top players can hand pick which prep school they want to go to nowadays
Prep schools may be a different story, but there are still significant hurdles to players changing schools and being eligible to play right away in high school athletics. There is a sit-out rule for varsity players in the WIAA (I.e. you can't play for another school the next year if you played varsity at the previous school) with limited exceptions.
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Honest question, when was the last time a coach was fired after a single season without off the court issues? Has it ever happened?
Les Moss.
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College athletes are adults. I simply believe they should have the same freedom of movement that the other adults in their field do.
Also, did you know that for decades only college athletes in five sports - football, men's and women's basketball, hockey and baseball - were subject to restrictions on freedom of movement? Why shouldn't a basketball player have the same freedom of movement as his or her peers in wrestling, lacrosse and swimming - sports that are bigger at some universities than baseball or hockey (or even football) are? For that matter, why shouldn't a scholarship athlete have the same freedom of movement as a scholarship dancer or trombone player or student journalist?
What I'm "fixated" on is the idea that coaches preach loyalty to their athletes when it's convenient and beneficial for them to do so, but then often show little to no loyalty themselves. For decades, they believed it was their right to improve their lot in life but that the adult athletes under their charge should not have the same right.
Anyhoo, we can debate this all we want ... the fact is that the rules have changed and college athletes finally have the freedom of movement a large swath of society believes they always should have had. And the genie ain't going back into the bottle. So coaches (and fans, for that matter) can either embrace it and deal with it, or get out.
I just don't understand this hatred of college coaches. Plus, they were not responsible for the old system, they just worked in it.
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I just don't understand this hatred of college coaches. Plus, they were not responsible for the old system, they just worked in it.
I didn't pick up any hate for college coaches in 82's post. Just hate that college athletes used to get punished for transferring
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I didn't pick up any hate for college coaches in 82's post. Just hate that college athletes used to get punished for transferring
Coaches were quite happy with the old system and maintaining the status quo. Some of them were fine with change but they were in the minority
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Coaches were quite happy with the old system and maintaining the status quo. Some of them were fine with change but they were in the minority
I'm quite happy with our democratic republic but I take no credit for creating it, I just live in it.
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I just don't understand this hatred of college coaches. Plus, they were not responsible for the old system, they just worked in it.
I don't hate college coaches, and I know they weren't responsible for the old system.
I didn't (and don't) have much respect for college coaches who whined (or are still whining) about athletes having freedom of movement even as they have taken advantage of their own right to move freely.
It's a criticism, and a rather mild one at that. Do you "hate" everybody you criticize?
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I'm quite happy with our democratic republic but I take no credit for creating it, I just live in it.
Apples and oranges
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I didn't pick up any hate for college coaches in 82's post. Just hate that college athletes used to get punished for transferring
Go back and read 82's posts. His vitriol is aimed at college coaches because they are hypocritical about loyalty.
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I don't hate college coaches, and I know they weren't responsible for the old system.
I didn't (and don't) have much respect for college coaches who whined (or are still whining) about athletes having freedom of movement even as they have taken advantage of their own right to move freely.
It's a criticism, and a rather mild one at that. Do you "hate" everybody you criticize?
No, I don't hate everyone I criticize. I know there are bad actors in the college coaching ranks (same with players and honestly every where). I just think there are a lot of good people who coach in college, and now some who make less than players, that should not be lumped in with the bad actors.
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Go back and read 82's posts. His vitriol is aimed at college coaches because they are hypocritical about loyalty.
Correct. Thanks for pointing out that I don't "hate" college coaches, as you had claimed.
No, I don't hate everyone I criticize. I know there are bad actors in the college coaching ranks (same with players and honestly every where). I just think there are a lot of good people who coach in college, and now some who make less than players, that should not be lumped in with the bad actors.
Which is why I didn't make a blanket criticism of all coaches. I have friends who are coaches, and great people. Maybe you do, too.
Few (if not zero) men's college basketball coaches make less $$$ than any of their players do in NIL. Caitlin Clark probably makes more than Lisa Bluder, but I'd be surprised if there were many other examples in women's hoops.
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Few (if not zero) men's college basketball coaches make less $$$ than any of their players do in NIL. Caitlin Clark probably makes more than Lisa Bluder, but I'd be surprised if there were many other examples in women's hoops.
Which is why I didn't say 'their' players, just 'some' players. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a large number of college football players that make more than some coaches on their team.
Coaches and players bitch about loyalty when one or the other leaves for more money. Fans play the game too. There is plenty of hypocrisy to go around. Is any group innocent of being hypocrites?
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Go back and read 82's posts. His vitriol is aimed at college coaches because they are hypocritical about loyalty.
At some college coaches, not all college coaches. Some are hypocritical about loyalty not all or even most
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At some college coaches, not all college coaches. Some are hypocritical about loyalty not all or even most
Plus, most coaches can’t leave jobs because of buyouts and lack of tenure
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At some college coaches, not all college coaches. Some are hypocritical about loyalty not all or even most
I like Pittino's complaint that Iona's conference was raided prior to this season. He failed to mention he led the raid.
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I like Pittino's complaint that Iona's conference was raided prior to this season. He failed to mention he led the raid.
Yeah. I found that comical too. ;D
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Coaches and players bitch about loyalty when one or the other leaves for more money. Fans play the game too. There is plenty of hypocrisy to go around. Is any group innocent of being hypocrites?
Head coaches have the power, not to mention a ton of money. Head coaches are the ones who talk endlessly about putting team and loyalty above all else.
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That's not really accurate.
What part? Louisville is not a better gig than MU
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What part? Louisville is not a better gig than MU
Guys, do we tell him.
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What part? Louisville is not a better gig than MU
Yeah it is
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Guys, do we tell him.
Who is we? Must have a mouse in your pocket
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Surprised Beard re-signed.
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Who is we? Must have a mouse in your pocket
Did you know dinosaurs went extinct because they smoked two-packs a day
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What part? Louisville is not a better gig than MU
Of course it is. Don’t be dumb.
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Of course it is. Don’t be dumb.
“Water, don’t be wet”
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What part? Louisville is not a better gig than MU
Well, they had some umm...unusual benes, but maybe those ended when Slick Rick left.
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Honest question, when was the last time a coach was fired after a single season without off the court issues? Has it ever happened?
Ray Rhodes……..
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Ray Rhodes……..
Okay guys, I know I just said "coach" but I think it's pretty obvious that I was I talking about college basketball coaches. Y'all keep giving me football and baseball coaches.
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Head coaches have the power, not to mention a ton of money. Head coaches are the ones who talk endlessly about putting team and loyalty above all else.
All 340 D1 head coaches?
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All 340 D1 head coaches?
Take the L, w.t.
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Surprised Beard re-signed.
The hyphen makes all the difference. I read it quickly and thought he resigned, but instead he re-signed.
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I don't get your fixation on college players needing freedom to change teams.
For the vast majority of HS players, they can't change teams unless their parents sell their house and move--by and large they're locked into the same public school regardless of any coaching changes. And I know this isn't universal--some jurisdictions you can transfer to a private school and be eligible right away. But the point is most kids aren't in private schools and can't easily transfer schools.
In the pros, players are committed to a team based on contract--a coach leaves or is fired, the player doesn't have a right to change teams.
Why is it that *college* players should uniquely deserve mobility that neither HS nor pros enjoy?
And I think the downsides are worse for the sport than the upsides.
The most obvious one is that it shifts the balance of power in favor of the high-major teams. With the one-year transfer rule, it was the biggest thing stopping wholesale poaching of players from lower levels. I don't know if guys like Ed Croswell or Tristan Newton or Tyler Kolek would have stayed with LaSalle, East Carolina or GMU respectively--but removing the transfer rule eliminates a huge consideration.
LOL
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I'm quite happy with our democratic republic but I take no credit for creating it, I just live in it.
Sounds like sheep
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Go back and read 82's posts. His vitriol is aimed at college coaches because they are hypocritical about loyalty.
Duh, they are
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Who is we? Must have a mouse in your pocket
Lost
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All 340 D1 head coaches?
Good comedy
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It appears Travis Ford is done in St. Louis.
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It appears Travis Ford is done in St. Louis.
Indiana State Coach rumored by Mr Borzello to be leading candidate to replace Ford. Wonder if he would bring Robbie Avila with him?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39727779/saint-louis-set-part-ways-coach-travis-ford-sources-say
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Indiana Stare Coach
Sounds creepy.
And he can probably do better.
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Sounds creepy.
And he can probably do better.
This is the job I’m really worried Shaka takes
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The program MU should aspire to emulate.
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St. Louis is a better job than MU and if we’re being realistic that’s not changing anytime soon.
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Indiana Stare Coach rumored by Mr Borzello to be leading candidate to replace Ford. Wonder if he would bring Robbie Avila with him?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39727779/saint-louis-set-part-ways-coach-travis-ford-sources-say
TIL St Louis is a step up from Indiana State.
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Sounds creepy.
And he can probably do better.
Correction noted
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TIL St Louis is a step up from Indiana State.
It is. But not significantly. The MVC and A10 are both 1+ bid conferences right now. But St. Louis likely has more resources and a higher ceiling.
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It is. But not significantly. The MVC and A10 are both 1+ bid conferences right now. But St. Louis likely has more resources and a higher ceiling.
If I’m him, I wait anyway. See what opens up as other jobs get filled
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Signs point to Holtmann getting the DePaul gig.
Good hire for them.
Keeps Brian Wardle in the pen for the Marquette job
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I agree. Holtmann is a good hire for DePaul. It is weird for DePaul to be hiring a real coach.
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I agree. Holtmann is a good hire for DePaul. It is weird for DePaul to be hiring a real coach.
Will be interesting how he tackles roster construction.
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Signs point to Holtmann getting the DePaul gig.
Good hire for them.
Keeps Brian Wardle in the pen for the Marquette job
Well, it's apparently a done deal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Holtmann#cite_note-1). They even speculate as to a salary of $3.08 million (while linking to a source that doesn't support that).
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Well, it's apparently a done deal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Holtmann#cite_note-1). (while linking to a source that doesn't support that).
How normal for a subset of scoopers.
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That feels to be a solid hire. Hopefully he can get them into the Top 100 at some point.
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Signs point to Holtmann getting the DePaul gig.
Good hire for them.
Keeps Brian Wardle in the pen for the Marquette job
Another coach returns to the Big East.
Can Buzz-to-Villanova rumors be far behind?
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Another coach returns to the Big East.
Can Buzz-to-Villanova rumors be far behind?
Nova could do a lot worse ... and apparently did after Wright left.
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Signs point to Holtmann getting the DePaul gig.
Good hire for them.
Keeps Brian Wardle in the pen for the Marquette job
I wonder who takes that OSU job. I don't think Miller is leavin'
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I wonder who takes that OSU job. I don't think Miller is leavin'
Dusty May seems to be the name with the most traction? I’m sure they’ll swing big, but not sure what that means for them. Thad Matta was their best coach of the last 40 years, imo, and he came from Xavier. If their goal is Scott Drew or someone of that ilk, they’re ignoring their own history.
I really like Lamont Paris for that gig but I’m not sure he’s sexy enough for them.
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How many calls do you suppose Shaka's agent has received this cycle? How many more?
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That feels to be a solid hire. Hopefully he can get them into the Top 100 at some point.
It’d be a good hire but I get the sense that Holtmann is a job hopper. He quickly bailed on Butler when they had success and his name was floated for other openings when he was having some initial success at OSU. A good year or two at DePaul and he’s a flight risk for the next step in the ladder. Moser would be a much better fit long term. Just my opinion.
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Dusty May seems to be the name with the most traction? I’m sure they’ll swing big, but not sure what that means for them. Thad Matta was their best coach of the last 40 years, imo, and he came from Xavier. If their goal is Scott Drew or someone of that ilk, they’re ignoring their own history.
I really like Lamont Paris for that gig but I’m not sure he’s sexy enough for them.
Paris just signed a 6 year extension. Over $4MM/year.
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Paris just signed a 6 year extension. Over $4MM/year.
Shaka Smart’s agent seeing these extensions: 👀
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It’d be a good hire but I get the sense that Holtmann is a job hopper. He quickly bailed on Butler when they had success and his name was floated for other openings when he was having some initial success at OSU. A good year or two at DePaul and he’s a flight risk for the next step in the ladder. Moser would be a much better fit long term. Just my opinion.
Pretty much anyone who takes the job at DePaul will leave if he has any success at all and other programs come calling. Moser might be an exception, but I have my doubts. DePaul is a long, long way from being a destination job where a successful coach will be willing to stick around.
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Mike Boynton out at Okie State.
But they'll always have memories of that one year of Cade Cunningham.
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Paris just signed a 6 year extension. Over $4MM/year.
Cross him off the list. Then I’ll say Dusty May
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Cross him off the list. Then I’ll say Dusty May
It's a double win for osu as it also kills IU fans a bit.
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How many calls do you suppose Shaka's agent has received this cycle? How many more?
Many, with many more to come.
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It’d be a good hire but I get the sense that Holtmann is a job hopper. He quickly bailed on Butler when they had success and his name was floated for other openings when he was having some initial success at OSU. A good year or two at DePaul and he’s a flight risk for the next step in the ladder. Moser would be a much better fit long term. Just my opinion.
Agreed. Holt might get the program respectable for a year or two which would be great but I'd expect DePaul to fall back to earth like it's post Leitao (part 1) again. Whereas Moser might've actually built something sustainable long term
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Mike Boynton out at Okie State.
But they'll always have memories of that one year of Cade Cunningham.
Stackhouse done at Vandy too.
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Stackhouse done at Vandy too.
Unsurprising
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Agreed. Holt might get the program respectable for a year or two which would be great but I'd expect DePaul to fall back to earth like it's post Leitao (part 1) again. Whereas Moser might've actually built something sustainable long term
Eh, maybe. If Holtmann builds a program at DePaul, he has some advantages staying put as long as there is support. Big if, I know.
If he gets them to a tournament, they might build a statue. I can see him there 10-12 years if he has success
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Agreed. Holt might get the program respectable for a year or two which would be great but I'd expect DePaul to fall back to earth like it's post Leitao (part 1) again. Whereas Moser might've actually built something sustainable long term
This may be setting up to be a por qué no los dos situation.
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Eh, maybe. If Holtmann builds a program at DePaul, he has some advantages staying put as long as there is support. Big if, I know.
If he gets them to a tournament, they might build a statue. I can see him there 10-12 years if he has success
He'll probably retire after winning the NCAA Tournament in 2027, and then go on to have a long career in broadcasting.
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He'll probably retire after winning the NCAA Tournament in 2027, and then go on to have a long career in broadcasting.
If he wins a title at DePaul, I’ll vote for him to be president
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Stackhouse done at Vandy too.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39731399/sources-vanderbilt-jerry-stackhouse-5-seasons
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After 5 years, they judged.
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Chris Holtmann announced as DePaul new Coach !!! 👍🏀
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Chris Holtmann announced as DePaul new Coach !!! 👍🏀
I figured Wojo would turn them down.
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The way the Buckeyes have played down the stretch, maybe Holtmann was the problem.
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The way the Buckeyes have played down the stretch, maybe Holtmann was the problem.
He was probably getting fired
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Chris Holtmann announced as DePaul new Coach !!! 👍🏀
Wow.
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Nice work for DePaul.
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Chris Holtmann announced as DePaul new Coach !!! 👍🏀
Paid for by tOSU!!!
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Chris Holtmann announced as DePaul new Coach !!! 👍🏀
Wait - I was assured by Scoopers that Porter Moser had already taken the job.
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Wait - I was assured by Scoopers that Porter Moser had already taken the job.
Which scooper?
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He was probably getting fired
He got fired a month ago.
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Good coin for Holtmann
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Juwan Howard officially out.
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Juwan Howard officially out.
But...but...but...he got a vote of confidence just a few weeks ago.
Juwan Howard gets the dreaded vote of confidence from his AD.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39527081/michigan-juwan-howard-manuel-support-amid-8-17-season
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But...but...but...he got a vote of confidence just a few weeks ago.
SMH. I think the median time between the vote of confidence and the actual termination is five weeks. I should have bet the under.
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Buzz to Ok State rumors starting to percolate 👀
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Buzz to Ok State rumors starting to percolate 👀
needs a reset lol
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Buzz to Ok State rumors starting to percolate 👀
Buzz's Bunch feature coming soon?
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Juwan Howard officially out.
https://sports.yahoo.com/michigan-fires-juwan-howard-after-five-seasons-181416188.html
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Juwan Howard officially out.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1997-oct-12-sp-42182-story.html
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Goodman reports Jake Diebler getting the job at Ohio State.
Dusty May had a lot of talk here. Wonder if he told them no
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Goodman reports Jake Diebler getting the job at Ohio State.
Dusty May had a lot of talk here. Wonder if he told them no
Wonder if IU is going to open up.
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He turned the team around.
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Wonder if IU is going to open up.
I’d think May has to jump now. Team is all graduating. Probably taking the SLU gig
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Michigan. Though, the way Woodson ended his season, it almost looked like he knew he was done.
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Michigan. Though, the way Woodson ended his season, it almost looked like he knew he was done.
Michigan will be interesting. Fanbase is not confident in the AD. I think this is a spot for Medved
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It is a good time to be a successful coach at a mid major.
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Goodman reports Jake Diebler getting the job at Ohio State.
Dusty May had a lot of talk here. Wonder if he told them no
Diebler earned the job - righted a sinking ship.
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Diebler earned the job - righted a sinking ship.
Maybe. Don’t have a problem with him getting it. Will be interesting to watch how it plays out.
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Yeah they improved no doubt. But in the end, the ship still sunk.
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Don’t think that’ll end well. That’s a HUGE step up. Did a good job getting the team to play well. But a 8ish? Game sample size is not what I’d be hoping to hire my new coach off of if I’m OSU.
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I’d think May has to jump now. Team is all graduating. Probably taking the SLU gig
Not sure if this is sarcastic, but A LOT of smoke around him and the Louisville job.
Diebler earned the job - righted a sinking ship.
He’s getting mileage out of the Purdue win right after Holtmann got fired. Otherwise he beat a bunch of bad B10 teams, only 1 of his other wins was against a team in the top half of the conference. Also, they led much of the game against Illinois yesterday, up by 10 with 10 min left and choked it away.
My OSU fan/alumni friends aren’t too pleased. All the talk of big salary money and NIL allocations and they get an assistant who wouldn’t be in the radar of most other P6 teams in this hiring cycle. Maybe they don’t get May or Cronin, but there are absolutely a bunch of accomplished mid major/P6 coaches who would be interested in that gig. It’s just weird on the face this early in the cycle. Even more bizarre cause his time as lead assistant were the worst years of Holtmann’s tenure
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Not sure if this is sarcastic, but A LOT of smoke around him and the Louisville job.
He’s getting mileage out of the Purdue win right after Holtmann got fired. Otherwise he beat a bunch of bad B10 teams, only 1 of his other wins was against a team in the top half of the conference. Also, they led much of the game against Illinois yesterday, up by 10 with 10 min left and choked it away.
My OSU fan/alumni friends aren’t too pleased. All the talk of big salary money and NIL allocations and they get an assistant who wouldn’t be in the radar of most other P6 teams in this hiring cycle. Maybe they don’t get May or Cronin, but there are absolutely a bunch of accomplished mid major/P6 coaches who would be interested in that gig. It’s just weird on the face this early in the cycle. Even more bizarre cause his time as lead assistant were the worst years of Holtmann’s tenure
Considering they canned Holtmann early, I’ll stick by my hunch they reached out to a lot of the big names and were rebuffed.
Also, I was being sarcastic about May. Suspect this means he is taking the Louisville job or possibly Michigan.
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Considering they canned Holtmann early, I’ll stick by my hunch they reached out to a lot of the big names and were rebuffed.
Also, I was being sarcastic about May. Suspect this means he is taking the Louisville job or possibly Michigan.
This is simply not the real you.
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The thing that would concern me about this hire isn't just that its an assistant coach without any head coaching experience getting the main gig, but that this is a pattern with Ross Bjork as athletic director. He doesn't seem to have a plan B when it comes to hiring coaches.
He was AD at Ole Miss when Hugh Freeze was forced to resign. After reaching out to some high profile candidates, he decided after a late run of wins, to remove the interim tag from Matt Luke - someone who had never before served as a head coach. Sound familiar? Well, it turned out to be a disaster. One that Bjork didn't have to clean up because he left for A&M.
There he fired Jimbo Fischer. Again after some high profile candidates turned him down, his search settled on Mark Stoops, which was quickly ridiculed by Aggie boosters. The offer was withdrawn and they settled for Mike Elko. And honestly if they would have just hired Elko from the start, that may have been fine! A former A&M assistant who met with success at Duke as a head coach? Sounds good.
But instead it just looked like he doesn't really know what he is doing. This search can't give people a lot of confidence. Of course it could work out and that's great. But I would be surprised.
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Considering they canned Holtmann early, I’ll stick by my hunch they reached out to a lot of the big names and were rebuffed.
Also, I was being sarcastic about May. Suspect this means he is taking the Louisville job or possibly Michigan.
Wrong. Ax Rocket 'bout UL, hey?
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One other thing about Ohio State. Can we think of an instance when a head coach was fired for poor performance, only to have a long term assistant hired to take the main job, and have it turn out successful? I can think of a number of examples from successful programs - Mark Few, Steve Fischer, Tom Izzo. But this seems pretty unprecedented.
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Wrong. Ax Rocket 'bout UL, hey?
Scott Drew? Of course it’s his job if he wants it. It’s also possible he’s using this as an opportunity to get Baylor donors more engaged in the NIL game
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One other thing about Ohio State. Can we think of an instance when a head coach was fired for poor performance, only to have a long term assistant hired to take the main job, and have it turn out successful? I can think of a number of examples from successful programs - Mark Few, Steve Fischer, Tom Izzo. But this seems pretty unprecedented.
None of those guys took over for a fired coach though.
Few took over when Monson left for Minnesota after an E8.
Fischer took over when Frieder left for ASU, also the season after a S16. Bo didn’t let him finish out the season after the announcement but he wasn’t fired for poor performance.
And Izzo took over when Heathcote retired. He’d lost his fastball a bit but still made 4 NCAAs in 5 years.
But that all makes it even more unlikely a scenario. Considering they canned Holtmann early, I’ll stick by my hunch they reached out to a lot of the big names and were rebuffed.
Yea I don’t disagree. I think they probably went for May and Drew and maybe Cronin and got rebuffed. Then Bjork panicked like Sultan highlighted. Ridiculous when there are a lot of good candidates out there
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None of those guys took over for a fired coach though.
Few took over when Monson left for Minnesota after an E8.
Fischer took over when Frieder left for ASU, also the season after a S16. Bo didn’t let him finish out the season after the announcement but he wasn’t fired for poor performance.
And Izzo took over when Heathcote retired. He’d lost his fastball a bit but still made 4 NCAAs in 5 years.
Right. That was my point. I can't think of an instance where an assistant from an unsuccessful coach took over for that coach after he was fired.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39625790/mens-college-basketball-coaching-changes-tracker-2024-2025
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Pat Kelsey probably going to be on some people's short list again. I wonder what he will decide.
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Pat Kelsey probably going to be on some people's short list again. I wonder what he will decide.
I’m still torn on Kelsey. If you look deeper into his last 2 years, it’s gaudy records from beating up on bad teams.
27-7 this year but didn’t beat anyone respectable in the non-con and then were 2-3 against the 2nd-4th best teams in a mediocre one bid conference. The other 3 NCAA teams they played (FAU, Duquesne, Vermont)…they lost by an average of 15 points.
Last year, same thing. 31-4 but played nobody in the non-con. Teams like CSU, Davidson, VT, Richmond look like decent wins until you look and see they all were under .500 in conference, if not overall. Hofstra won the CAA regular season title…and Charleston lost in their only match up at home no less.
At both Winthrop and Charleston, Kelsey walked into the best job in the conference (with mediocre competition all around d) with plenty of success from the previous coach and held the line. I’d be very concerned about him as a program builder when you look at these bigger openings that need some heavy lifting to get them respectable again. I full expect Bama to boatrace his team on Friday
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I’d think May has to jump now. Team is all graduating. Probably taking the SLU gig
nope-possibly being offered to the other drew guy
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Considering they canned Holtmann early, I’ll stick by my hunch they reached out to a lot of the big names and were rebuffed.
Also, I was being sarcastic about May. Suspect this means he is taking the Louisville job or possibly Michigan.
maybe Michigan, but not Louisville...yet. they hung some serious NIL out there for a guy who's got years of success at a school in a big 12 including a naty. gotta wait until the dance is over
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https://www.wdrb.com/sports/update-louisville-basketball-coaching-search-hot-board-2-0/article_9d84cc4a-e46a-11ee-8efe-33c284064169.html
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The internets has Shaka to Michigan rumors
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The internets has Shaka to Michigan rumors
Not happening
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Not happening
I think the internets Wright, Oats and Donovan rumors have more legs.
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No doubt Michigan would want to target Shaka. But as I told my Badger friends this afternoon, Shaka got to coach at a football school already. The basketball first nature of Marquette matches up with his VCU experience.
That's the environment that I think Shaka enjoys more. He's proving he can build an elite program at Marquette. Why change things?
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It's just as likely I coach MI next next season as it is Shaka does.
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I think the internets Wright, Oats and Donovan rumors have more legs.
Wright’s not going there. Oats I can see.
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Here's the original coaching target list that speculated Shaka to Michigan. It's a doozy. https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2024/03/potential-candidates-to-replace-juwan-howard-as-michigans-basketball-coach.html
That we barely see Shaka's name in coaching search "rumors" tells us everything we need to know.
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Wright’s not going there. Oats I can see.
I 100% agree on Wright, but that rumor is more probible than Shaka.
You can find at least 15 coaches headed to Michigan on the web.
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Win five more games and I will be a reference for any job Shaka might want to look at. I believe Shaka is here for the long haul, but money talks. That said, I am very confident that Shaka is at MU next season.
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Win five more games and I will be a reference for any job Shaka might want to look at. I believe Shaka is here for the long haul, but money talks. That said, I am very confident that Shaka is at MU next season.
Shaka doesn't even get his own thread on the Michigan board like other canidates. >:(
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Shaka doesn't even get his own thread on the Michigan board like other canidates. >:(
Smart fans know. If Brian Cook doesn’t have him as a candidate, he ain’t a candidate
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DeAndre Haynes is the only one mentioned in that article that makes sense. Hurley? As if.
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It's just as likely I coach MI next next season as it is Shaka does.
Very nice to have you on the board, Coach Wright.
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Dusty May is available to take calls.
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Dusty May is available to take calls.
I think that is the Michigan man. Fans like him.
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Dusty May is available to take calls.
Dusty May is an Oklahoma thing right ?
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Not bad.
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Tony Stubblefield is available!
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Tony Stubblefield is available!
Perfect choice for the Wolverines. Go Blue!
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Shaka doesn't even get his own thread on the Michigan board like other canidates. >:(
There was one right after the job opened, and the UM almighty jumped all over it screaming at each other that he was a hard pass since he has advanced in NCAAT for a decade. It was good bedtime read material.
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Jeff Goodman tweeted Scott Drew ain’t leaving Baylor, at least for Louisville
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Perfect choice for the Wolverines. Go Blue!
Wojo would be better. UM needs to clean up its image after that dustup with the UW assistant coach last year.
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Dusty May to Michigan. Apparently turned down Louisville.
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Dusty May to Michigan. Apparently turned down Louisville.
Dodged that Shaka bullet, apparently. Glad FAU lost before us!
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Dodged that Shaka bullet, apparently. Glad FAU lost before us!
Shaka to FAU? Winter ain’t shabby down Boca-way
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Shaka to FAU? Winter ain’t shabby down Boca-way
Shaka waiting for the IU job to open up.
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Shaka waiting for the IU job to open up.
It is Indiana, after all.
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It used to be. Now it is UCLA. A better Georgetown.
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Shaka to FAU? Winter ain’t shabby down Boca-way
So Wojo turned them down already?
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On the Field of 68, they were about to talk Louisville opening when Goodman took a phone call. When ha came back, he said his sources are saying Holloway is strong consideration. Would be tough loss for Seton Hall.
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Seems a bit quick to be elevating Holloway to a top 20 program. I'd think English would be a more enticing Big East option.
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On the Field of 68, they were about to talk Louisville opening when Goodman took a phone call. When ha came back, he said his sources are saying Holloway is strong consideration. Would be tough loss for Seton Hall.
That would be a terrible hire for Louisville.
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Holloway is a try-hard loser.
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That would be a terrible hire for Louisville.
Would be terribly underwhelming.
They should take Calipari off of Kentucky’s hands. ;)
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That would be a terrible hire for Louisville.
Yup.
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West Virginia is hiring Darian DeVries from Drake. Feels like a great hire for them.
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West Virginia is hiring Darian DeVries from Drake. Feels like a great hire for them.
Surprised Brian Wardle isn’t getting more looks
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Rico
He is waiting for Shaka to leave after the tournament. His people have made it clear MU is next destination.
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Surprised Brian Wardle isn’t getting more looks
Between his fast-paced offense and easy-going personality, it really is a mystery.
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Rico
He is waiting for Shaka to leave after the tournament. His people have made it clear MU is next destination.
Good to have a deep bench
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West Virginia is hiring Darian DeVries from Drake. Feels like a great hire for them.
I think he will do well, but MVC to Big XII is a huge step up. Recruiting, as is mostly the case, will be the key.
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I think he will do well, but MVC to Big XII is a huge step up. Recruiting, as is mostly the case, will be the key.
Longtime assistant at Creighton, coached at Drake. He’ll be able to recruit most of the Big XII base and the time at Creighton should have gotten him some east coast experience.
Darnell Brodie was from NJ, fwiw
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Sure seems like a home run for WVU. Especially if Tucker DeVries comes along for the ride.
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He is.
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ok, now the coaching situation at Louisville just officially became serious
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ok, now the coaching situation at Louisville just officially became serious
Didn’t Drew already turn them down?
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Between his fast-paced offense and easy-going personality, it really is a mystery.
HOF post
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Didn’t Drew already turn them down?
He said he was staying at Baylor, kind of. Goodman has been reporting that’s the case and isn’t a candidate at the Ville.
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Didn’t Drew already turn them down?
nope
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nope
Well that would certainly come out of nowhere.
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Well that would certainly come out of nowhere.
no, it comes out of Louisville
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I’ve got a gut feeling that Rocket might prove a number of scoopers wrong. I really would enjoy that.
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I’ve got a gut feeling that Rocket might prove a number of scoopers wrong. I really would enjoy that.
Has anyone said he was wrong?
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Has anyone said he was wrong?
Correct. Goodman was reporting he was staying at Baylor. Nick Saban wasn’t leaving the Dolphins. Entirely possible Drew still ends up in the ‘ville
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Kyle Smith to Stanford. Good hire IMO.
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Correct. Goodman was reporting he was staying at Baylor. Nick Saban wasn’t leaving the Dolphins. Entirely possible Drew still ends up in the ‘ville
Not only that, but it's not as though rocket pretends to drop insider information here regularly. He's been on the Drew to 'Ville thing for awhile and even mentioned Bryce at one point. He clearly thinks he knows something - and maybe he does!
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Kyle Smith to Stanford. Good hire IMO.
Great fit for Nerd Ball.
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Wild possibility: if Kentucky moves on from Calipari (they are apparently meeting about it today), could Louisville turn around and hire Cal? Pitino coached at both schools, but he left UK for the NBA before returning to college.
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West Virginia is hiring Darian DeVries from Drake. Feels like a great hire for them.
Yeah that seems like a great hire. And Kyle Smith to Stanford is a great hire for them.
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Why would Louisville want Calipari? He will cost a ton, and it seems like he can't really get it done even with the talent he brings in.
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Why would Louisville want Calipari? He will cost a ton, and it seems like he can't really get it done even with the talent he brings in.
I don't think Calipari is a bad coach or incapable of getting it done. He seems to have trapped himself in a vicious cycle of relying heavily on one-and-dones that no longer works. Leaving UK and starting over (at Louisville or somewhere else) would give him a clean break from that.
Which isn't to say I think Louisville should make a play for him. I just think he still could be successful in a different environment where he's not required/expected to load the roster with McDonald's AAs who have no interest in sticking around for long.
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Why would Louisville want Calipari? He will cost a ton, and it seems like he can't really get it done even with the talent he brings in.
Don't you read Scoop? Money is not an issue for schools.
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I don't think Calipari is a bad coach or incapable of getting it done. He seems to have trapped himself in a vicious cycle of relying heavily on one-and-dones that no longer works. Leaving UK and starting over (at Louisville or somewhere else) would give him a clean break from that.
Which isn't to say I think Louisville should make a play for him. I just think he still could be successful in a different environment where he's not required/expected to load the roster with McDonald's AAs who have no interest in sticking around for long.
Yep
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I don't think Calipari is a bad coach or incapable of getting it done. He seems to have trapped himself in a vicious cycle of relying heavily on one-and-dones that no longer works. Leaving UK and starting over (at Louisville or somewhere else) would give him a clean break from that.
Which isn't to say I think Louisville should make a play for him. I just think he still could be successful in a different environment where he's not required/expected to load the roster with McDonald's AAs who have no interest in sticking around for long.
He created that environment. Would he want to do it differently? I guess that was my assumption...that he would take what he did at UK to Louisville.
And then I would ask, if he actually wanted to not reload on one-and-dones, would he be the right coach for that? Because his coaching IMO has not be terribly impressive.
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And Sprinkle to Washington should be good.
My only concern for Sprinkle and Smith would be transitioning to the B1G. We'll see how that goes for those schools.
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He created that environment. Would he want to do it differently? I guess that was my assumption...that he would take what he did at UK to Louisville.
And then I would ask, if he actually wanted to not reload on one-and-dones, would he be the right coach for that? Because his coaching IMO has not be terribly impressive.
I think he wants a reset on expectations and culture.
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And Sprinkle to Washington should be good.
My only concern for Sprinkle and Smith would be transitioning to the B1G. We'll see how that goes for those schools.
ACC for Stanford
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He created that environment. Would he want to do it differently? I guess that was my assumption...that he would take what he did at UK to Louisville.
I guess my assumption is that he's smart enough to recognize - like everyone else recognizes - that what worked for him 10 years ago isn't working now.
But that's just speculation. I have no idea what he's thinking.
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I think he wants a reset on expectations and culture.
Why do you think that? He's 65 years old and been doing it this way his entire tenure at UK - about 15 seasons.
And then I would have to ask, if he does WANT that reset, why didn't he do it at UK? He had all the power and authority to make such a change, but never did so.
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I think he wants a reset on expectations and culture.
When I think culture, one of the first schools that comes to mind is Louisville.
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ACC for Stanford
Oops! Good catch.
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Will be curious watching the new hires at Stanford and Washington. Think the travel issues ate a bigger problem in a bloated basketball league than football.
Don’t think Washington is a particularly good job anymore
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Will be curious watching the new hires at Stanford and Washington. Think the travel issues ate a bigger problem in a bloated basketball league than football.
Don’t think Washington is a particularly good job anymore
I just received an ESPN text that the new Washington coach will be the now former Utah State coach.
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JMU coach going to Vandy
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JMU coach going to Vandy
Vandy is where promising coaching careers go to die.
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Will be curious watching the new hires at Stanford and Washington. Think the travel issues ate a bigger problem in a bloated basketball league than football.
Don’t think Washington is a particularly good job anymore
Not sure it ever really has been.
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Vandy is where promising coaching careers go to die.
Yeah and that seems like an odd fit. Gotta strike while the iron's hot I guess.
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Not sure it ever really has been.
Lots of talent to be had and some have had success there. Getting stuck in the Big 69/420 ain’t gonna help
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Lots of talent to be had and some have had success there. Getting stuck in the Big 69/420 ain’t gonna help
I feel like UW will have a good year and be in 10th place in the Big?. Same as USC, Penn St, Minny, etc.
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Yeah and that seems like an odd fit. Gotta strike while the iron's hot I guess.
He's from the South, he previously took over 2 other moribund programs and turned them around rather quickly. I think he's a pretty good pick for them to be honest. Especially because some of the more trendy names weren't interested.
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I just received an ESPN text that the new Washington coach will be the now former Utah State coach.
After nearly 20 years of ole Stew at the helm, Utah State is now looking for their 5th coach since 2015.
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After nearly 20 years of ole Stew at the helm, Utah State is now looking for their 5th coach since 2015.
Hard to replace The Legend.
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Why do you think that? He's 65 years old and been doing it this way his entire tenure at UK - about 15 seasons.
And then I would have to ask, if he does WANT that reset, why didn't he do it at UK? He had all the power and authority to make such a change, but never did so.
Simple. It hasn't worked in years.
I'm not sure he has the freedom to do exactly what he wants at UK.
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I forgot to mention this earlier, but Pat Kelsey's name has been thrown around in Louisville.
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Vandy is where promising coaching careers go to die.
aww damn it, that darn drew family name keeps popping up. Bryce got the hell out of vandy before it left a scar and righted himself quite well at GCU
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aww damn it, that darn drew family name keeps popping up. Bryce got the hell out of vandy before it left a scar and righted himself quite well at GCU
Bryce Drew’s record at Vandy:
Year 1: 19-16, 10-8
Year 2: 12-20, 6-12
Year 3: 9-23, 0-18
First coach to ever go winless in the SEC.
Definitely none of that was his fault
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Bryce Drew’s record at Vandy:
Year 1: 19-16, 10-8
Year 2: 12-20, 6-12
Year 3: 9-23, 0-18
First coach to ever go winless in the SEC.
Definitely none of that was his fault
Weren’t there some key injuries at Vandy Drew’s last year?
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Weren’t there some key injuries at Vandy Drew’s last year?
just Darius garland
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Weren’t there some key injuries at Vandy Drew’s last year?
Darius Garland missed the season.
Drew since 2017-18 season, his last two years at Vandy and four years at Grand Canyon:
6-34 vs. SEC, -9 scoring margin
9-47 vs. P6 opponents, -9 scoring margin
Stats courtesy of @justinhershey26
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It seems like he has recruited well for a low to mid major at GCU. And while I realize that yesterday was the only time I have seen a Drew coached GCU team, at no point did I think they looked all that well coached.
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It seems like he has recruited well for a low to mid major at GCU. And while I realize that yesterday was the only time I have seen a Drew coached GCU team, at no point did I think they looked all that well coached.
that game was a big outlier
I was super disappointed in what I saw and the fact that he didn't seem to do anything to change things up. missing 14 free throws was very uncharacteristic of the team. allowing themselves to get into a track meet and lose the way they did was really disappointing so many opportunities to change things up, but it was like they got sucked in to a the mayhem vacuum of a pretty good coach
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Darius Garland missed the season.
Drew since 2017-18 season, his last two years at Vandy and four years at Grand Canyon:
6-34 vs. SEC, -9 scoring margin
9-47 vs. P6 opponents, -9 scoring margin
Stats courtesy of @justinhershey26
Thanks.
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that game was a big outlier
I was super disappointed in what I saw and the fact that he didn't seem to do anything to change things up. missing 14 free throws was very uncharacteristic of the team. allowing themselves to get into a track meet and lose the way they did was really disappointing so many opportunities to change things up, but it was like they got sucked in to a the mayhem vacuum of a pretty good coach
FT’s don’t matter
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Pete Thamel reporting Andy Enfield in the mix at SMU. Interesting. Very interesting.
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Pete Thamel reporting Andy Enfield in the mix at SMU. Interesting. Very interesting.
Some smoke yesterday that Porter Moser was also in the mix... strange one.
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Seems like both of them are looking for soft landing spots.
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Seems like both of them are looking for soft landing spots.
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner.
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Some smoke yesterday that Porter Moser was also in the mix... strange one.
He could have gone to DePaul.......
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Little Pitino gaining A LOT OF momentum towards ending up with the Louisville job was not something I saw coming. Man that program has fallen hard in a really short period of time.
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Little Pitino gaining A LOT OF momentum towards ending up with the Louisville job was not something I saw coming. Man that program has fallen hard in a really short period of time.
It’s bad for Louisville but great for the content
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It’s bad for Louisville but great for the content
Well, that's more of an "and" than a "but."
Anyway, they should have stuck with Chris Mack.
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Well, that's more of an "and" than a "but."
Anyway, they should have stuck with Chris Mack.
Not sure why they moved on from Mack (shady stuff?), but that guy went from a seemingly nice guy to acting like he was a mix of John Wooden and James Naismith when he got the Louisville job. Complete tool. JMHO.
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nope
Yup...
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Seems like both of them are looking for soft landing spots.
Probably. I also wonder if Enfield isn't a fan of taking cross country plane rides almost every week during conference play
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Anyway, they should have stuck with Chris Mack.
Between off-court issues, declining results and meh recruiting, I get why they pulled the plug on Mack.
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I would give Mack some time at Maryland. He had a good recruiting class last year, even though he just lost Noah Batchlor to Buffalo in portal and one time MU target, Janathan Lomathe is in the portal. Few weeks ago, he got 2024 Top 15 center Patrick Queen and just got SG Rodney Rice from Va. Tech from portal. He has some great pieces moving forward and will see how portal works out and who returns for next year. Has run a clean program so far at Maryland, no issues.
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I would give Mack some time at Maryland. He had a good recruiting class last year, even though he just lost Noah Batchlor to Buffalo in portal and one time MU target, Janathan Lomathe is in the portal. Few weeks ago, he got 2024 Top 15 center Patrick Queen and just got SG Rodney Rice from Va. Tech from portal. He has some great pieces moving forward and will see how portal works out and who returns for next year. Has run a clean program so far at Maryland, no issues.
Wrong white bald guy.
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I would give Mack some time at Maryland.
Another bald, white guy, Kevin Willard, is the coach at Maryland.
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Another bald, white guy, Kevin Willard, is the coach at Maryland.
Damn, I was close, a brain malfunction. Thanks. Willard doing good job with the Terps......
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Probably. I also wonder if Enfield isn't a fan of taking cross country plane rides almost every week during conference play
Is being at SMU in the ACC that much better? They still have to fly to Boston, Miami, and San Francisco.
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Is being at SMU in the ACC that much better? They still have to fly to Boston, Miami, and San Francisco.
Probably won’t be an ACC in a few years
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Is being at SMU in the ACC that much better? They still have to fly to Boston, Miami, and San Francisco.
True, but that is a very soft and big bed of cash to land on at SMU. Never underestimate private Texas schools.
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True, but that is a very soft and big bed of cash to land on at SMU. Never underestimate private Texas schools.
USC has significantly more resources than SMU. Larger endowment, bigger media deal, member of the AAU, etc.
SMU is a wealthier version of Marquette. USC is an elite, private research university.
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Damn, I was close, a brain malfunction. Thanks. Willard doing good job with the Terps......
He won't last there.
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Is being at SMU in the ACC that much better? They still have to fly to Boston, Miami, and San Francisco.
SMU has two flights over 3 hours in the ACC, both to San Francisco. Boston and Syracuse are both about 3 hours. Everything else is under 3 hours.
USC has one bus ride (UCLA) and 1 flight under 3 hours in the B1G (Oregon). Seattle is right about 3 hours. Everything else is at least 4 hours.
I have no idea if it matters to Enfield or not, but SMU's travel in the ACC will be way better than USC's travel in the B1G.
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Wrong white bald guy.
They all look the same
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He won't last there.
+1
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USC has significantly more resources than SMU. Larger endowment, bigger media deal, member of the AAU, etc.
SMU is a wealthier version of Marquette. USC is an elite, private research university.
Good points. But that SMU raise of $100M in 24 hours was damn impressive.
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A writer on the cardchronicle reports that Louisville reached out to Shaka and were told no.
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A writer on the cardchronicle reports that Louisville reached out to Shaka and were told no.
Listened to Mike Rutherford’s podcast and the Josh Schertz situation is wild. Pretty much locked into St. Louis and signed a Memorandum of Understanding that would force Louisville to give them a 7-figure payout to hire him.
Can’t really believe it would be Pitino. Wonder if they floated that via the media to gauge a reaction
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Shocking that the guy who hired Kenny Payne in the first place is running a clusterf*ck of a search now.
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Good points. But that SMU raise of $100M in 24 hours was damn impressive.
They are also very active in the NIL arena, back in 2022 ensuring that every member of the Men's Football and Basketball teams got a minimum of $36k per year, and for the elite players there is a deep pool of cash to make the players happy.
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Shocking that the guy who hired Kenny Payne in the first place is running a clusterf*ck of a search now.
You know what happens when you have a clusterf*ck of a search?
You end up with a guy like Wojo. Checks a lot of boxes except the 'wins' box.
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They are also very active in the NIL arena, back in 2022 ensuring that every member of the Men's Football and Basketball teams got a minimum of $36k per year, and for the elite players there is a deep pool of cash to make the players happy.
I can confirm that. Still lost a few players to TCU and Sonny Dykes, but TCU isn't too far behind (if at all) in $.
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A writer on the cardchronicle reports that Louisville reached out to Shaka and were told no.
Their delusion is pretty embarrassing. They need to open their eyes and read the room.
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Their delusion is pretty embarrassing. They need to open their eyes and read the room.
You at least have to make the call
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I don't think they understand how fundamentally things have changed for them. Or most programs really. Successful coaches that are in good situations and making good money aren't usually going to put that at risk to take a pressure cooker type gig.
And I don't know if rocket still believes he is going to take the job, but why would Scott Drew do that? He seems to be in a good place with Baylor, makes a boatload of money, and won a national championship there. Why would he risk that to go to a place where the last two coaches haven't even lasted four seasons?
Shaka heard the wolves at the door in Texas. Beard took his dream job there afterwards - and it still fell apart for him.
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I don't think they understand how fundamentally things have changed for them. Or most programs really. Successful coaches that are in good situations and making good money aren't usually going to put that at risk to take a pressure cooker type gig.
And I don't know if rocket still believes he is going to take the job, but why would Scott Drew do that? He seems to be in a good place with Baylor, makes a boatload of money, and won a national championship there. Why would he risk that to go to a place where the last two coaches haven't even lasted four seasons?
Shaka heard the wolves at the door in Texas. Beard took his dream job there afterwards - and it still fell apart for him.
The ONLY thing I'll say is that it MAY behoove coaches to be in the B1G or the SEC... at some point.
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I don't think they understand how fundamentally things have changed for them. Or most programs really. Successful coaches that are in good situations and making good money aren't usually going to put that at risk to take a pressure cooker type gig.
And I don't know if rocket still believes he is going to take the job, but why would Scott Drew do that? He seems to be in a good place with Baylor, makes a boatload of money, and won a national championship there. Why would he risk that to go to a place where the last two coaches haven't even lasted four seasons?
Shaka heard the wolves at the door in Texas. Beard took his dream job there afterwards - and it still fell apart for him.
I could see Drew looking for a new challenge. Some of these guys thrive on that. Maybe he sees a landscape changing where Baylor can’t compete with regards to NIL, too. He’s young enough to take that plunge.
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JMU coach going to Vandy
Friend of mine was at the last Uconn game and his ticket was among JMU fans. Nice people and the guy behind him was the head of their NIL. This guy said after the game that the coach was gone “ he makes $600k a year and somebody will offer 1MM”
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WKU fans behind me on Friday said their coach needs to move up.
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I don't think they understand how fundamentally things have changed for them. Or most programs really. Successful coaches that are in good situations and making good money aren't usually going to put that at risk to take a pressure cooker type gig.
And I don't know if rocket still believes he is going to take the job, but why would Scott Drew do that? He seems to be in a good place with Baylor, makes a boatload of money, and won a national championship there. Why would he risk that to go to a place where the last two coaches haven't even lasted four seasons?
Shaka heard the wolves at the door in Texas. Beard took his dream job there afterwards - and it still fell apart for him.
He just choked
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A writer on the cardchronicle reports that Louisville reached out to Shaka and were told no.
https://www.cardchronicle.com/2024/3/26/24112483/louisville-coaching-search-update
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https://www.cardchronicle.com/2024/3/26/24112483/louisville-coaching-search-update
I read this article earlier...the way the response from Shaka's people was described is so refreshing.
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I read this article earlier...the way the response from Shaka's people was described is so refreshing.
Not sure where, but I remember hearing Sean Miller laughed when someone mentioned the Marquette job to him back in 2008 after Crean left. It’s nice to be on the other side of that for once.
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Not sure where, but I remember hearing Sean Miller laughed when someone mentioned the Marquette job to him back in 2008 after Crean left. It’s nice to be on the other side of that for once.
Never heard the story, but it makes sense. He was just coming off an Elite 8 at Xavier and knew he was getting something bigger.
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Shaka loves MU and MU loves Shaka.
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Never heard the story, but it makes sense. He was just coming off an Elite 8 at Xavier and knew he was getting something bigger.
And now we would laugh at Sean Miller. NIL is a b1tch for him...he lost his competitive advantage.
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Shaka loves MU and MU loves Shaka.
I think it’s worth mentioning that Shaka also seems to love Milwaukee and Milwaukee seems to love Shaka.
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https://www.cardchronicle.com/2024/3/26/24112483/louisville-coaching-search-update
Richard Pitino?
https://www.nj.com/sports/2024/03/louisville-focusing-on-richard-pitino-pat-kelsey-seton-halls-holloway-also-linked-to-opening.html
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Seems like Waco would be a place where someone would be eager to leave.
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I think it’s worth mentioning that Shaka also seems to love Milwaukee and Milwaukee seems to love Shaka.
True dat. We are in great shape moving forward.
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Seems like Waco would be a place where someone would be eager to leave.
According to someone on here it's a done deal ;D
Drew is always entertaining to me. Always voted the biggest cheater by his peers, always preaches his religion.
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Other coaching news:
Calipari staying at Kentucky
Johnny Dawkins gets an extension offer at UCF
Cuonzo Martin back to Missouri State
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Other coaching news:
Calipari staying at Kentucky
Johnny Dawkins gets an extension offer at UCF
Cuonzo Martin back to Missouri State
I think that must mean the Ben McCollum to OK St rumors have some truth to them. The Missouri State job seemed like a no brainer for both parties, but if there are bigger options in the room, then that would makes sense for Missouri State to grab the retread.
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He just choked
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LOL
@rickbozich
Bob Huggins makes it clear: He would like to be considered for Louisville basketball job.
“I think it fits me perfect.”
https://twitter.com/rickbozich/status/1772955935499059411
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LOL
@rickbozich
Bob Huggins makes it clear: He would like to be considered for Louisville basketball job.
“I think it fits me perfect.”
https://twitter.com/rickbozich/status/1772955935499059411
Are we getting close to a Buzz's Bunch feature coming up on CBS?
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LOL
@rickbozich
Bob Huggins makes it clear: He would like to be considered for Louisville basketball job.
“I think it fits me perfect.”
https://twitter.com/rickbozich/status/1772955935499059411
Lol, yes Huggy, that is exactly our concern.
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“I think it fits me perfect.”
Well, at least we know that Huggins has enough self-awareness to recognize he's a good fit for the job. The question now is whether Louisville is similarly self-aware.
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We must move Huggy as close to the bourbon as possible.
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We must move Huggy as close to the bourbon as possible.
You couldn't get medical clearance for a contract longer than a year or two.
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Not Pitino the Younger at Louisville. 🤔
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Not Pitino the Younger at Louisville. 🤔
His dad could give him all the best restaurant recommendations.
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Per Goodman, it's Pat Kelsey at Louisville.
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LOL
@rickbozich
Bob Huggins makes it clear: He would like to be considered for Louisville basketball job.
“I think it fits me perfect.”
https://twitter.com/rickbozich/status/1772955935499059411
John Fanta to the hoop with authority!
@John_Fanta In other news, I would really like to be considered for the cover of GQ.
https://x.com/John_Fanta/status/1772972439158280285?s=20
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Bob...you're 70s years old and have had two major alcohol-related incidents in the last year yet insist you aren't an alcoholic. And the end of your tenure at West Virginia was pretty mediocre. It's probably time to look for a better way to spend your time.
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Per Goodman, it's Pat Kelsey at Louisville.
Been a Kelsey fan for awhile. Been rumblings he’s a red ass and difficult to deal with, though. Coached DJ Burns at Winthrop.
Big step up for him. Will be fascinating as an outsider to watch
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Uh oh.
https://x.com/trillydonovan/status/1773025805842477346?s=20
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LOL
@rickbozich
Bob Huggins makes it clear: He would like to be considered for Louisville basketball job.
“I think it fits me perfect.”
https://twitter.com/rickbozich/status/1772955935499059411
In other words, “I really love bourbon”
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Been a Kelsey fan for awhile. Been rumblings he’s a red ass and difficult to deal with, though. Coached DJ Burns at Winthrop.
Big step up for him. Will be fascinating as an outsider to watch
I'd grade that a 'C' hire for Louisville.
FWIW, I would have graded Nova's hire of Wright at a 'C' too.
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I'd grade that a 'C' hire for Louisville.
FWIW, I would have graded Nova's hire of Wright at a 'C' too.
So hard to tell with these hires. Some seem like slam dunks, like Chris Mack to Louisville and they blowup
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John Fanta to the hoop with authority!
@John_Fanta In other news, I would really like to be considered for the cover of GQ.
https://x.com/John_Fanta/status/1772972439158280285?s=20
Uhh......that was a beat down. :)
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We must move Huggy as close to the bourbon as possible.
It is an automatic given to always have bourbon close.
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It is an automatic given to always have bourbon close.
Unless someone is an alcoholic.
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Enfield to SMU according to Goodman.
Fallout from this could be interesting.
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Enfield to SMU according to Goodman.
Fallout from this could be interesting.
According to the internet he'd worn out his welcome at USC. Still, SMU dropped a bag on him
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According to the internet he'd worn out his welcome at USC. Still, SMU dropped a bag on him
Bit more fascinated at the fallout from who USC hires
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Bit more fascinated at the fallout from who USC hires
Calipari flirted with UCLA a few years ago. Maybe he goes for the LA lifestyle again.
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Bit more fascinated at the fallout from who USC hires
Muss
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Calipari flirted with UCLA a few years ago. Maybe he goes for the LA lifestyle again.
Would a coach go from Kentucky to USC?
Would a coach go from MU to VT? :D
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Muss
That would have Will Wade to Razorbacks written all over it.
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USC > Louisville ???
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USC > Louisville ???
I don't think Louisville had much interest in Musselman.
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Enfield had more success at USC than the program is used to.
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USC > Louisville ???
SMU > Louisville ????
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I don't think Louisville had much interest in Musselman.
Don’t think that’s true.
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Don’t think that’s true.
I always reserve the right to be wrong.
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I always reserve the right to be wrong.
Louisville insiders said they at least tested those waters.
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Maybe LeBron takes a year off from playing to coach Bronny.
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Maybe LeBron takes a year off from playing to coach Bronny.
Would never happen but how fascinating would that be? For most recruits, Lebron would have been a current top 3 player for most of their lives and the current best player in the world for a good chunk of it. Gotta think hed at least be able to attract highly ranked recruits.
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It's a day to celebrate! UW-Madison AD Chris MacIntosh just gave Greg Gard a vote of confidence, announcing that he would return to coach next year. WooHoo!
Another year of mediocrity guaranteed!
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It's a day to celebrate! UW-Madison AD Chris MacIntosh just gave Greg Gard a vote of confidence, announcing that he would return to coach next year. WooHoo!
Another year of mediocrity guaranteed!
Gard is great for MU.
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It's a day to celebrate! UW-Madison AD Chris MacIntosh just gave Greg Gard a vote of confidence, announcing that he would return to coach next year. WooHoo!
Another year of mediocrity guaranteed!
Maybe one of these years Shaka will figure out how to beat him!
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https://x.com/pistolpeterosu/status/1773370051367702969?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
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https://x.com/pistolpeterosu/status/1773370051367702969?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Take sure to be wrong, best hire in the cycle, so far
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I don't think they understand how fundamentally things have changed for them. Or most programs really. Successful coaches that are in good situations and making good money aren't usually going to put that at risk to take a pressure cooker type gig.
And I don't know if rocket still believes he is going to take the job, but why would Scott Drew do that? He seems to be in a good place with Baylor, makes a boatload of money, and won a national championship there. Why would he risk that to go to a place where the last two coaches haven't even lasted four seasons?
Shaka heard the wolves at the door in Texas. Beard took his dream job there afterwards - and it still fell apart for him.
well, umm, no because he turned them down and Louisville finally found it's suitor. Louisville was sending subliminal out to Scott well before the tournament, but had a serious offer on the table which he "prayed" about. as faith is a huge part of his coaching experience. I believe he felt baylor was still the best place for that and well, basketball of course.
this was no more than any other top 5 coach being woo'd by programs in need to get better. if calipari were to leave or be "asked" to leave, I know scott's name was at top of that list and this goes back before the Louisville job came up and rumors of cal being out sooner rather than later.
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Dru Joyce in at Duquesne - Akron down I76 continuing to feed the program.
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well, umm, no because he turned them down and Louisville finally found it's suitor. Louisville was sending subliminal out to Scott well before the tournament, but had a serious offer on the table which he "prayed" about. as faith is a huge part of his coaching experience. I believe he felt baylor was still the best place for that and well, basketball of course.
this was no more than any other top 5 coach being woo'd by programs in need to get better. if calipari were to leave or be "asked" to leave, I know scott's name was at top of that list and this goes back before the Louisville job came up and rumors of cal being out sooner rather than later.
lol yea let’s credulously buy Scott drew and Baylor as a match made in Christian heaven with not a single red flag about a mismatch between public facing pr image and practice.
Lmao.
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lol yea let’s credulously buy Scott drew and Baylor as a match made in Christian heaven with not a single red flag about a mismatch between public facing pr image and practice.
Lmao.
you can do whatever the hell ya want with it. there just so happens to be certain institutions where some feel more comfortable than others of living their faith. I don't know what I said should be provocative enough for you to laugh your f'ing a$$ off about, but hey, have a good one
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you can do whatever the hell ya want with it. there just so happens to be certain institutions where some feel more comfortable than others of living their faith. I don't know what I said should be provocative enough for you to laugh your f'ing a$$ off about, but hey, have a good one
I mean, Scott Drew has been as dirty as any other coach through the years
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Don’t be a dbag! That would be LMFAO…
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I mean, Scott Drew has been as dirty as any other coach through the years
is that a fact? tell me more oh wise one. so what are you trying to say, lump him in with the Catholic priests or sumpin? yeah right, bring up Scott drew and next thing ya know, he's in with the pittinos and calipari's and self's oh yeah, right up there take the "L" reeko
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Don’t be a dbag! That would be LMFAO…
is that doggie bag, dag nabit bag or douche bag please be clear
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is that a fact? tell me more oh wise one. so what are you trying to say, lump him in with the Catholic priests or sumpin? yeah right, bring up Scott drew and next thing ya know, he's in with the pittinos and calipari's and self's oh yeah, right up there take the "L" reeko
No, he’s widely regarded amongst coaches in the business as a phony and cheat.
And 9 out of 10 for bringing in Catholic priests
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is that a fact? tell me more oh wise one. so what are you trying to say, lump him in with the Catholic priests or sumpin? yeah right, bring up Scott drew and next thing ya know, he's in with the pittinos and calipari's and self's oh yeah, right up there take the "L" reeko
His colleagues think so.
https://www.slamonline.com/archives/john-calipari-scott-drew-voted-biggest-cheaters-in-ncaa/
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2012 poll.
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2012 poll.
It’s still widely believed
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His colleagues think so.
https://www.slamonline.com/archives/john-calipari-scott-drew-voted-biggest-cheaters-in-ncaa/
nice dig there sally-2012? nothing to do with him winning a natty err anything. how long before we hear chit about shaka AND who are these "a lot of people" ??
On Scott Drew: “I don’t even have to blink when I say the answer. He’s despised by a lot of people because he comes off holier than God. Meanwhile, everyone knows he’s had to cheat big-time to get the program to where it’s at. If it wasn’t for the God stuff he wouldn’t rub people the wrong way as much.”
ad hominem enough for ya?
everyone knows...holier than God...give me a break. for those who do not know him but see and hear things from the outside looking in...yeah that damn "God stuff" nasty
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It’s still widely believed
WIDELY
MOST PEOPLE
EXPERTS
EVERYONE
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nice dig there sally-2012? nothing to do with him winning a natty err anything. how long before we hear chit about shaka AND who are these "a lot of people" ??
On Scott Drew: “I don’t even have to blink when I say the answer. He’s despised by a lot of people because he comes off holier than God. Meanwhile, everyone knows he’s had to cheat big-time to get the program to where it’s at. If it wasn’t for the God stuff he wouldn’t rub people the wrong way as much.”
ad hominem enough for ya?
everyone knows...holier than God...give me a break. for those who do not know him but see and hear things from the outside looking in...yeah that damn "God stuff" nasty
Dude I just posted the link. I don’t really care if he hands bags of cash to prospects but there’s been a lot of smoke there.
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His colleagues think so.
https://www.slamonline.com/archives/john-calipari-scott-drew-voted-biggest-cheaters-in-ncaa/
I do wonder how much of that was a combination of Baylor's skeezy reputation when he took over and the fact that he turned a program that had 1 NCAA appearance in more than 50 years when he arrived into one with a pair of E8s within 8 years of arriving at Waco...as opposed to actual egregious cheating/money changing hands.
Take sure to be wrong, best hire in the cycle, so far
Its not flashy, but I think its an absolute home run for OK State getting Lutz. Dude has an awesome track record as an assistant and HC and plays entertaining basketball. Would not be at all surprised to see Darrin Horn end up back at WKU for round 2.
I think the only comparably great hire is Drake somehow ending up with Ben McCollum after Mo State absolutely fumbled and bumbled that one away
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WIDELY
MOST PEOPLE
EXPERTS
EVERYONE
It’s okay. Cheating is legal now.
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I do wonder how much of that was a combination of Baylor's skeezy reputation when he took over and the fact that he turned a program that had 1 NCAA appearance in more than 50 years when he arrived into one with a pair of E8s within 8 years of arriving at Waco...as opposed to actual egregious cheating/money changing hands.
Its not flashy, but I think its an absolute home run for OK State getting Lutz. Dude has an awesome track record as an assistant and HC and plays entertaining basketball. Would not be at all surprised to see Darrin Horn end up back at WKU for round 2.
I think the only comparably great hire is Drake somehow ending up with Ben McCollum after Mo State absolutely fumbled and bumbled that one away
Didn’t see the Drake hire. That’ll be fun to watch
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Dude I just posted the link. I don’t really care if he hands bags of cash to prospects but there’s been a lot of smoke there.
Didn’t realize Scott was a Bible thumper. Now I know for a fact he was a cheater
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Didn’t realize Scott was a Bible thumper. Now I know for a fact he was a cheater
Yeah big pray in public kinda guy. Rocket’s right, there’s a culture fit for some coaches and schools, and he’s a Perfect fit for Baylor.
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Yeah big pray in public kinda guy. Rocket’s right, there’s a culture fit for some coaches and schools, and he’s a Perfect fit for Baylor.
the Dabo Swinney of college basketball, hey? …Dirty Preacher, bible in one hand, wad of cash in the other?
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I’ll be honest I don’t follow minor league football, but from the sound of your description, yeah. Similar.
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His colleagues think so.
https://www.slamonline.com/archives/john-calipari-scott-drew-voted-biggest-cheaters-in-ncaa/
It's not just his colleague. Baylor under his watch received major sanctions for repeated NCAA violations.
He was aware that one of his assistants threatened a recruit (Hanner Perea) with deportation (born in Columbia) if he didn't sign with Baylor, and kept the assistant on the job for an entire year, before it became more public.
And there was much more.
Drew is a cheat.
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Dude I just posted the link. I don’t really care if he hands bags of cash to prospects but there’s been a lot of smoke there.
dude, if ya don't really care, then don't waste your time looking for and posting a weak link trying to paint someone in a bad light...don't give me that chit ya don't care bull squat. next will be, I don't have time to dink around...
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dude, if ya don't really care, then don't waste your time looking for and posting a weak link trying to paint someone in a bad light...don't give me that chit ya don't care bull squat. next will be, I don't have time to dink around...
Just countering your point that there’s no evidence. There is. And instead of, you know, countering the argument, you lash out like a weirdo.
Should have expected it. Rational discourse requires too much intelligence for you to partake.
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I feel bad for WKU. It’s a storied program that hired a guy who got them back in the tournament in his first year and then he bolts for a bigger job. He didn’t even win a tournament game, he lost by 18.
Brutal.
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Just countering your point that there’s no evidence. There is. And instead of, you know, countering the argument, you lash out like a weirdo.
Should have expected it. Rational discourse requires too much intelligence for you to partake.
Scott Drew’s dad gave him his first coaching job. It’s a touchy subject to criticize him.
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Just countering your point that there’s no evidence. There is. And instead of, you know, countering the argument, you lash out like a weirdo.
Should have expected it. Rational discourse requires too much intelligence for you to partake.
Now there is an oxymoron; Satan of Semantics posting about rational discourse.
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Friend of a friend of a friend with Scott Drew and the conventional wisdom is super dirty.
Also, he wanted the job here in 2008.
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Now there is an oxymoron; Satan of Semantics posting about rational discourse.
Agree with you, Dung. What the board could use is some more rational discourse like you provide
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Now there is an oxymoron; Satan of Semantics posting about rational discourse.
100%
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Gard is great for MU.
Shaka can’t beat Gard. Gard knows ball.
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100%
Coming from a guy who fails to understand math, I think this might be a compliment.
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Shaka can’t beat Gard. Gard knows ball.
You and Willie
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dude, if ya don't really care, then don't waste your time looking for and posting a weak link trying to paint someone in a bad light...don't give me that chit ya don't care bull squat. next will be, I don't have time to dink around...
Who defends Scott Drew? You were so sure he was headed to Louisville, even after news outlets said he turned then down, and no one is sticking your nose in it...yet you get pissed when people state the obvious...that he is an unethical jerk. You live in whatever world you want to...
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Coming from a guy who fails to understand math, I think this might be a compliment.
100%
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Who defends Scott Drew? You were so sure he was headed to Louisville, even after news outlets said he turned then down, and no one is sticking your nose in it...yet you get pissed when people state the obvious...that he is an unethical jerk. You live in whatever world you want to...
ok, Mr angry, I was NEVER SO SURE he was going to Louisville, I know he was being offered a couple weeks ago before many others were even considered. Scott gave the job heavy consideration before turning it down.
and yes, I will defend Scott drew as all you guys have is baseless bull chit, innuendo and lacking any substantiveness
looks like there's more room on that short bus band wagon than I thought-you get a window seat?
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ok, Mr angry, I was NEVER SO SURE he was going to Louisville, I know he was being offered a couple weeks ago before many others were even considered. Scott gave the job heavy consideration before turning it down.
and yes, I will defend Scott drew as all you guys have is baseless bull chit, innuendo and lacking any substantiveness
looks like there's more room on that short bus band wagon than I thought-you get a window seat?
No, he’s a cheater.
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ok, Mr angry, I was NEVER SO SURE he was going to Louisville, I know he was being offered a couple weeks ago before many others were even considered. Scott gave the job heavy consideration before turning it down.
and yes, I will defend Scott drew as all you guys have is baseless bull chit, innuendo and lacking any substantiveness
looks like there's more room on that short bus band wagon than I thought-you get a window seat?
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-basketball/drews-cheating-stigma-now-has-merit (https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-basketball/drews-cheating-stigma-now-has-merit)
Scott Drew's team got 3-years probation for major violations. Including as I mentioned previously, threatening a kid with deportation if he didn't sign with Baylor.
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ok, Mr angry, I was NEVER SO SURE he was going to Louisville, I know he was being offered a couple weeks ago before many others were even considered. Scott gave the job heavy consideration before turning it down.
and yes, I will defend Scott drew as all you guys have is baseless bull chit, innuendo and lacking any substantiveness
looks like there's more room on that short bus band wagon than I thought-you get a window seat?
lol. So “baseless” that Baylor self-imposed penalties so the NCAA wouldn’t throw the book at them.
Maybe do a simple Google search instead of just lashing out next time bud.
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lol. So “baseless” that Baylor self-imposed penalties so the NCAA wouldn’t throw the book at them.
Maybe do a simple Google search instead of just lashing out next time bud.
I believe Scott Drew has become a proxy here
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ok, Mr angry, I was NEVER SO SURE he was going to Louisville, I know he was being offered a couple weeks ago before many others were even considered. Scott gave the job heavy consideration before turning it down.
and yes, I will defend Scott drew as all you guys have is baseless bull chit, innuendo and lacking any substantiveness
looks like there's more room on that short bus band wagon than I thought-you get a window seat?
So you were just reporting what had been speculated about for over a year? That Louisville would be Drew’s if he wanted?
We need more insider info from you.
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https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-basketball/drews-cheating-stigma-now-has-merit (https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-basketball/drews-cheating-stigma-now-has-merit)
Scott Drew's team got 3-years probation for major violations. Including as I mentioned previously, threatening a kid with deportation if he didn't sign with Baylor.
whoever the purported "journalist" was of this article sounds like he/she had some kind of "hate" for Scott drew. this was not a news piece unless this is what ya'll expect from your news.
I'd love to hear the whole story regarding the "deportation" issue, especially if it came from these "journalists"
been pretty clean since 2012 though eyn'a? I guess he learned his lesson and has been pretty good. now let's see who else we can find who hasn't been as clean and honest as you guys
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whoever the purported "journalist" was of this article sounds like he/she had some kind of "hate" for Scott drew. this was not a news piece unless this is what ya'll expect from your news.
I'd love to hear the whole story regarding the "deportation" issue, especially if it came from these "journalists"
been pretty clean since 2012 though eyn'a? I guess he learned his lesson and has been pretty good. now let's see who else we can find who hasn't been as clean and honest as you guys
No, he’s been cheating the last decade, too
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No, he’s been cheating the last decade, too
If Baylor was an Adidas school, I'm sure more stories would hit the news. Felt like Nike did a better job with that scandal.
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whoever the purported "journalist" was of this article sounds like he/she had some kind of "hate" for Scott drew. this was not a news piece unless this is what ya'll expect from your news.
I'd love to hear the whole story regarding the "deportation" issue, especially if it came from these "journalists"
been pretty clean since 2012 though eyn'a? I guess he learned his lesson and has been pretty good. now let's see who else we can find who hasn't been as clean and honest as you guys
They self-imposed penalties. You don’t do that if you’re not guilty.
Good lord are you dense.
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https://www.si.com/college/cincinnati/chris-mack-to-coach-charleston
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https://www.si.com/college/cincinnati/chris-mack-to-coach-charleston
“I’ve learned a lot from the two coaching jobs that I was fortunate enough to be a part of so you know we will see.”
I hope he learned some humility. After he went to Louisville, he acted like he wad won 10 NCs in a row. Complete a$$.
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Does Kevin Keatts try for a new gig?
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Chris Mack is back and at the College of Charleston.
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Does Kevin Keatts try for a new gig?
I don't think so. I feel like he loses a lot of the leash he gained with the Final Four somewhere new.
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Huggie Bear would be a great pickup for a desperate program.
https://www.si.com/college/westvirginia/basketball/huggins-is-ready-to-resurrect-his-coaching-career
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Huggie Bear would be a great pickup for a desperate program.
https://www.si.com/college/westvirginia/basketball/huggins-is-ready-to-resurrect-his-coaching-career
Emphasis on the desperate.
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Current Coaching Changes Tracker.
https://hoopdirt.com/2024-college-basketball-coaching-changes-tracker/
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Musselman interviewing at USC.
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Musselman interviewing at USC.
Arkansas fans rejoice.
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Arkansas fans rejoice.
Why?
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Why?
Honestly, I've not looked into it. Just based upon random fans comments from Louisville boards that believe AK fans expect more. Basically, it sounded like AK fans would not be heartbroken if he left. Could be knee jerk reactions from a less than stellar year.
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Arkansas fans rejoice.
In five seasons, he got them to the E8 twice plus an additional S16 appearance. Prior to that, they hadn't been to the second weekend since 1996.
If they are rejoicing because of one poor season this past year...well...that might not be a very smart decision.
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The message board chatter makes it sounds like he's been playing "will he go or won't he" for a couple of years now, and a lot of folks just want a resolution. Not sure what they expected given his career moves over the years.
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In five seasons, he got them to the E8 twice plus an additional S16 appearance. Prior to that, they hadn't been to the second weekend since 1996.
If they are rejoicing because of one poor season this past year...well...that might not be a very smart decision.
I don't follow AK or Mussleman. Funny that even early on, UofL fans didn't seemed excited about him as a candidate. He looks like he would have been a homerun hire now.
What does USC look like as a part of the B10? Is a typical year a 8th-14th place finish?
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Mussleman is a great college basketball coach. He definitely hops around, but I think he would've killed it at Louisville. And if he moves on after having success there, then Louisville can hire almost anyone they want.
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I don't follow AK or Mussleman. Funny that even early on, UofL fans didn't seemed excited about him as a candidate. He looks like he would have been a homerun hire now.
What does USC look like as a part of the B10? Is a typical year a 8th-14th place finish?
the focus at Troy is returning football to glory. Basketball is a whatever.
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Mussleman is a great college basketball coach. He definitely hops around, but I think he would've killed it at Louisville. And if he moves on after having success there, then Louisville can hire almost anyone they want.
Yea, its absolutely crazy. Outside of Scott Drew, nobody had even close to the track record that Mussleman did. Especially at moribund programs. Took over Nevada when they hadn't been to the tourney in 8 years and made a S16 in 3 years, only the second in the program's history.
Arkansas had 3 total NCAA victories TOTAL across 3 coaches since Richardson retired...and Mussleman got 3 in the first postseason he had at Arkansas (not counting the COVID year).
He lost 3 top 35 picks last year and the highly touted freshman coming in stunk this year, sometimes it happens. Using that to justify disinterest in him this year is crazy. If he gets the same caliber of players that Enfield did to USC, he's gonna have them as a top 20 team easily and regularly, regardless of conference.
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The Muss Bus to USC reportedly a #donedeal.
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Gard hires…Gard. Gard knows ball.
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It takes a special type of ignorance for media members to use "will wade" and "chris beard" names in the same sentence.
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Gard hires…Gard. Gard knows ball.
Pretty sure that was a fake report. In fact I'm positive that was a fake.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39875055/sources-usc-hiring-eric-musselman-replace-andy-enfield
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Pretty sure that was a fake report. In fact I'm positive that was a fake.
assistant coach leaving is legit…we’ll see on Gard, I suppose. Was reported on local sports talk radio this afternoon in MKE.
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The Muss Bus to USC reportedly a #donedeal.
Beard or Tang to Ark?
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It takes a special type of ignorance for media members to use "will wade" and "chris beard" names in the same sentence.
Will Wade was using NIL before NIL was allowed. No different than Sean Miller and Bill Self, who were also mentioned in that FBI probe and those coaches were never suspended. Chris Beard is a way different thing and should not be coaching, period.
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assistant coach leaving is legit…we’ll see on Gard, I suppose. Was reported on local sports talk radio this afternoon in MKE.
They may be right, but it wouldn't be shocking for Milwaukee sports radio guys to fall for a fake tweet. Not the brightest bulbs.
Anyway, I think they'll elevate Kirk Penney.
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Beard or Tang to Ark?
The job is supposedly Beard's unless he chooses to decline.
Will Wade was using NIL before NIL was allowed. No different than Sean Miller and Bill Self, who were also mentioned in that FBI probe and those coaches were never suspended. Chris Beard is a way different thing and should not be coaching, period.
Not to mention Ive read nothing but praise for Will Wade as a person from former players (even ones who didn't end up at LSU) and CBB insider types in the last year or two. Beyond just "he wins a lot". Which isn't usually the case, IMO.
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Beard apparently has declined Arkansas.
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Beard apparently has declined Arkansas.
In theory, Arkansas is a better gig than Ole Miss.
But Kentucky is a better gig that Arkansas. Long game
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Beard's holding out for Marquette after Shaka takes the Madison gig.
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Beard apparently has declined Arkansas.
He choked?
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He choked?
I loled.
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He choked?
Possibly...but he'll recant in the next 48 hours and accept.
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Latest Coaching Change Tracker
https://hoopdirt.com/2024-college-basketball-coaching-changes-tracker/
Huggie Bear not in the mix anywhere yet.
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Out of curiosity I looked at an Arkansas fan board and the discussions about Will Wade includes that apparently he can't recruit off campus for two more years. If true, that is a huge hurdle for a P5 coach. Also, maybe why he is not AK coach.
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Who did better, Louisville or SLU?
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Who did better, Louisville or SLU?
I know which program we should aspire to be and it ain’t Louisville
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Who did better, Louisville or SLU?
SLU (er, Chaifetz) was smart to have Shertz sign a MOU during Arch Madness to prevent him from going elsewhere until they could make the hire official.
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Who did better, Louisville or SLU?
Louisville
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A non-burner account (at least I think anyways)with about 12,000 followers is reporting Coach Cal to Arkansas.
https://twitter.com/Wess_Moore/status/1777142544939221176?t=L24g4KKwK_Qjx9QOx7d6rA&s=19
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A non-burner account (at least I think anyways)with about 12,000 followers is reporting Coach Cal to Arkansas.
https://twitter.com/Wess_Moore/status/1777142544939221176?t=L24g4KKwK_Qjx9QOx7d6rA&s=19
Would be an excellent hire and fit. That’d be his Shaka moment.
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Who would go to Kentucky? Jay Wright?
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Who would go to Kentucky? Jay Wright?
Beard?
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Who would go to Kentucky? Jay Wright?
Beard or Oats would be my guess.
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Oats is a good guess, but I would think they would stay away from Beard because of the baggage.
I could see them considering Shaka.
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Oats is a good guess, but I would think they would stay away from Beard because of the baggage.
I could see them considering Shaka.
Kentucky has football.
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Waiting for Kentucky to offer Hurley 5 years, $55M later this week.
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Trilly Donovan is reporting on his discord that it is at the lawyer stage. Sounds like it will happen.
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https://x.com/petethamel/status/1777174492034601010?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
Thamel bomb. Calipari to Arkansas is done
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Going to be all kinds of dominoes to fall this week ahead.
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Kind of a douchebag move by Cal to do this tonight, on the eve of the National Championship game.
Typical I guess
Not really fair to those teams and kids playing tomorrow to pull away any of the storylines.
Also, now it’ll be a ton of Hurley to Kentucky talk, which is a distraction whether you can help it or not.
Bottle the news up and announce it on Tuesday
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Kind of a douchebag move by Cal to do this tonight, on the eve of the National Championship game.
Typical I guess
Not really fair to those teams and kids playing tomorrow to pull away any of the storylines.
Also, now it’ll be a ton of Hurley to Kentucky talk, which is a distraction whether you can help it or not.
Bottle the news up and announce it on Tuesday
nope! SD to kentucky been quietly in the works since word went out about cal being on hot seat
apparently you don't threaten an elite coach, an eye talian elite coach
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nope! SD to kentucky been quietly in the works since word went out about cal being on hot seat
apparently you don't threaten an elite coach, an eye talian elite coach
wonder why he turned down louisville now??
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https://x.com/petethamel/status/1777174492034601010?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
Thamel bomb. Calipari to Arkansas is done
Whoa.
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Going to be all kinds of dominoes to fall this week ahead.
My prediction is Scott Drew to Kentucky, Jerome Tang to Baylor, and some rando to KState.
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My prediction is Scott Drew to Kentucky, Jerome Tang to Baylor, and some rando to KState.
Trilly Donovan on his discord says the UK AD’s first call will be Scott Drew
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My prediction is Scott Drew to Kentucky, Jerome Tang to Baylor, and some rando to KState.
Ed Cooley to K.State?
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Trilly Donovan on his discord says the UK AD’s first call will be Scott Drew
Oh really? I actually subscribe to that but didn’t see that. Discord is sort of hard to keep up with. A lot of noise on there from every which direction.
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Really amazing the chain of events that occurred when SMU fired Rob Lanier.
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Really amazing the chain of events that occurred when SMU fired Rob Lanier.
Would be a little pissed if I was an Ohio State fan right now. Lot of good candidates have become available since they hired their interim coach.
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Bob Huggins would be a great fit for Kentucky.
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Drew to UK makes sense. Why would Hurley take a step down?
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Anybody know the details on Shaka's contract with Marquette?
I know they extended him to 2029-2030, but what about annual earnings and buyout?
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Oats is a good guess, but I would think they would stay away from Beard because of the baggage.
I could see them considering Shaka.
If there was a top 15 list for them Shaka would be 11th at best likely lower. I can’t imagine how many people would have to turn down the job for someone at UK to bring up Shaka
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Kind of a douchebag move by Cal to do this tonight, on the eve of the National Championship game.
Typical I guess
Not really fair to those teams and kids playing tomorrow to pull away any of the storylines.
Also, now it’ll be a ton of Hurley to Kentucky talk, which is a distraction whether you can help it or not.
Bottle the news up and announce it on Tuesday
Stuff happens when it happens. Cal probably wasn't even behind the news being leaked. Also, UConn v Purdue is getting more than enough hype.
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Now Scott Drew can really cheat even more
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wonder why he turned down louisville now??
Because he prayed on it, I thought?
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nope! SD to kentucky been quietly in the works since word went out about cal being on hot seat
apparently you don't threaten an elite coach, an eye talian elite coach
You are hilarious to everyone but yourself.
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Because he prayed on it, I thought?
Well you see...the guy who had inside info on Michigan from his brother....knew this was why he turned down Louisville. See Cal wasn't on the hot seat until he met with the AD (like he was never considering OSU), and then Drew knew that SMU via USC via Arkansas would open Kentucky for Drew. While the TINY buyout on Drew's (signed or unsigned?) extension is truly the giveaway to the entire world that he wants the ability to leave when he wants to leave.
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Well you see...the guy who had inside info on Michigan from his brother....knew this was why he turned down Louisville. See Cal wasn't on the hot seat until he met with the AD (like he was never considering OSU), and then Drew knew that SMU via USC via Arkansas would open Kentucky for Drew. While the TINY buyout on Drew's (signed or unsigned?) extension is truly the giveaway to the entire world that he wants the ability to leave when he wants to leave.
As an evangelical Christian myself, I just assumed he was praying for a bigger payday
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As an evangelical Christian myself, I just assumed he was praying for a bigger payday
I see we all practice the prosperity gospel here. God works in mysterious ways...especially within CBB.
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I see we all practice the prosperity gospel here. God works in mysterious ways...especially within CBB.
Sometimes, God raises up Abilene Christian so that MU fans can kvetch about too many 3 point shots.
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If there was a top 15 list for them Shaka would be 11th at best likely lower. I can’t imagine how many people would have to turn down the job for someone at UK to bring up Shaka
Wojo for sure.
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From Bulls fans everywhere: "Please Kentucky, make Billy Donovan an offer he can't refuse".
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Sometimes, God raises up Abilene Christian so that MU fans can kvetch about too many 3 point shots.
Restaurant Quality. Well done!
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Oh really? I actually subscribe to that but didn’t see that. Discord is sort of hard to keep up with. A lot of noise on there from every which direction.
It's noisy and takes getting used to. The CBB server is a hoot though, at times like this.
"My top three replacements for Cal at UK: Tom Crean, Juwan Howard, Kenny Payne. In that order."
-Some guy
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From Bulls fans everywhere: "Please Kentucky, make Billy Donovan an offer he can't refuse".
Why will that make Reinsdorf sell the team? He and his partners are the worst owners in all of sports.
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Dawn Staley should go coach Kentucky since she already implied she would be fine with coaching men anyway.
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From Bulls fans everywhere: "Please Kentucky, make Billy Donovan an offer he can't refuse".
Billy's pretty far down the list of the Bulls' problems.
That said, I used to think that Kentucky might be the one job that could lure him back to college - and maybe it is - but some recent comments he made seems to indicate he has zero interest in dealing with NIL, the portal and everything else that goes with the college game today.
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Dawn Staley should go coach Kentucky since she already implied she would be fine with coaching men anyway.
🙄🙄🙄
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Dawn Staley should go coach Kentucky since she already implied she would be fine with coaching men anyway.
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Biological men do not belong in women's sports. Anyone with a brain and a basic understanding of biology would agree.
I'm a woman who is in pretty good shape but I need to play from the women's tee boxes because the men who are 30 years older than me can still outdrive me.
XX only.
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Drew makes the most sense. Hurley will get what he wants at UCONN. Oates buyout at $18 million isn't beyond reach, but Drew is a rumored $4 million.
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Biological men do not belong in women's sports. Anyone with a brain and a basic understanding of biology would agree.
I'm a woman who is in pretty good shape but I need to play from the women's tee boxes because the men who are 30 years older than me can still outdrive me.
XX only.
This isn't Outkick.
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Is there a sports franchise in Chicago that the fans don't blame the coaching or owners (or both)?
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Is there a sports franchise in Chicago that the fans don't blame the coaching or owners (or both)?
Fixed it for you.
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Dawn Staley should go coach Kentucky since she already implied she would be fine with coaching men anyway.
Why is this a concern for you on this thread?
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Drew makes the most sense. Hurley will get what he wants at UCONN. Oates buyout at $18 million isn't beyond reach, but Drew is a rumored $4 million.
New to Scoop? Everyone know buyouts have zero impact on coaches' movement. ;)
Interesting factoid I did not consider but was mentioned by a coach on XM Radio this morning, Oates buyout would cost UK $18M, plus about $6.5M in taxes to Oates.
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It's noisy and takes getting used to. The CBB server is a hoot though, at times like this.
"My top three replacements for Cal at UK: Tom Crean, Juwan Howard, Kenny Payne. In that order."
-Some guy
Bring back Slick Rick
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Billy's pretty far down the list of the Bulls' problems.
That said, I used to think that Kentucky might be the one job that could lure him back to college - and maybe it is - but some recent comments he made seems to indicate he has zero interest in dealing with NIL, the portal and everything else that goes with the college game today.
I honestly believe Donovan has the best coaching job in basketball. He gets paid handsomely and his sweet spot for winning is about .400. The Bulls give him a roster right at the salary cap, so he has decent talent that he is expected/encouraged to bring in 9th or 10th place in the East.
As has been pointed out, Donovan isn't the problem. He's not very good in the NBA, but he actually checks all the boxes for the Bulls.
Funny thing is that the Bulls are self-aware enough that they never publicly announced his extension. I can't think of any team ever extending a coach without some fanfare to pat themselves and the coach on the back.
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Why is this a concern for you on this thread?
I'm serious. She should coach Kentucky. Why not.
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I believe a day will come where a woman coaches a men's team in D1 basketball. I look forward to that day. I do not believe this is that day or the right job for that kind of additional pressure and scrutiny.
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This isn't Outkick.
Women's rights are not men's rights.
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I believe a day will come where a woman coaches a men's team in D1 basketball. I look forward to that day. I do not believe this is that day or the right job for that kind of additional pressure and scrutiny.
I agree.
While the men's and women's games appear the same from 50,000 feet up, there are material differences I don't think a women's coach (man or woman) can instantly adapt to, especially at a job like UK. For example: A women's coach has no ally-oop play in their playbook, nor give any thought on coaching how to defend it.
I don't see any reason why a woman can't coach the men. I thinks a women's coach, like Staley or Auriemma, would need time to adapt.
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Women's rights are not men's rights.
Yeah...something tells me you really don't care all that much about women's rights.
Anyway, you should keep the politics out of the Coaching Carousel topic because it has zero to do with what is being discussed here.
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I'm serious. She should coach Kentucky. Why not.
You're entirely unserious, and just using this to attack transgender people.
I'm sure there are far better and more welcoming forums out there for you to do this.
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https://theathletic.com/5398699/2024/04/08/kentucky-basketball-coaching-candidates-nate-oats-rick-pitino/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twhq&source=twitterhq
Wojo being the under-the-radar candidate.
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Now Scott Drew can really cheat even more
it seems like being a d-bag comes easily to you...shocker!! you always have to be a contrarian or wtf?!?
yeah, one of the most coveted jobs in basketball and they are probably going to offer it to a "cheater"?? nothing to do with considering a guy who beneath it all is a decent person who can coach err anything
i know this may be asking A LOT, but grow up a little bit
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https://theathletic.com/5398699/2024/04/08/kentucky-basketball-coaching-candidates-nate-oats-rick-pitino/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twhq&source=twitterhq
Wojo being the under-the-radar candidate.
If Kentucky doesn’t hire a sitting power 6 coach, I will be at the presser with popcorn
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You are hilarious to everyone but yourself.
well if you laugh at reeko's chit we all know what kind of sense of humor you have...or don't so thank you for the compliment
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Yeah...something tells me you really don't care all that much about women's rights.
Anyway, you should keep the politics out of the Coaching Carousel topic because it has zero to do with what is being discussed here.
As a woman, I obviously care very much about women's rights and what we have clawed and battled for years. Things like women's sports were specifically created because if it were just sports, women would be excluded. I am a proponent of inclusion until it leads to exclusion of someone who truly biologically belongs in the category. Why should women be asked to concede something that is ours for men? Here's a list of all of the times women have lost out in their own category to someone who did not belong: https://www.shewon.org/
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I agree.
While the men's and women's games appear the same from 50,000 feet up, there are material differences I don't think a women's coach (man or woman) can instantly adapt to, especially at a job like UK. For example: A women's coach has no ally-oop play in their playbook, nor give any thought on coaching how to defend it.
I don't see any reason why a woman can't coach the men. I thinks a women's coach, like Staley or Auriemma, would need time to adapt.
If we don't think a woman can take a job coaching men, why do people accept biological men taking a spot (from a biological woman) on women's teams?
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it seems like being a d-bag comes easily to you...shocker!! you always have to be a contrarian or wtf?!?
yeah, one of the most coveted jobs in basketball and they are probably going to offer it to a "cheater"?? nothing to do with considering a guy who beneath it all is a decent person who can coach err anything
i know this may be asking A LOT, but grow up a little bit
Again, Baylor literally SELF-REPORTED violations that Drew and his staff made to the NCAA.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-basketball/drews-cheating-stigma-now-has-merit
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You're entirely unserious, and just using this to attack transgender people.
I'm sure there are far better and more welcoming forums out there for you to do this.
Dawn is a 3 time National Champion coach and just coached her team to an "invincible" season. She pushed all the right buttons last night; it was a master class. I would love to see what she can do at Kentucky. She would bring more integrity that Scott Drew...and is a far better coach. Seriously.
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Is there a sports franchise in Chicago that the fans don't blame the coaching or owners (or both)?
They never blame the owners of the Packers in Green Bay.
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it seems like being a d-bag comes easily to you...shocker!! you always have to be a contrarian or wtf?!?
yeah, one of the most coveted jobs in basketball and they are probably going to offer it to a "cheater"?? nothing to do with considering a guy who beneath it all is a decent person who can coach err anything
i know this may be asking A LOT, but grow up a little bit
They hired John Calipari, ding-a-ling. But, yes, they definitely won’t hire a cheater.
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it seems like being a d-bag comes easily to you...shocker!! you always have to be a contrarian or wtf?!?
yeah, one of the most coveted jobs in basketball and they are probably going to offer it to a "cheater"?? nothing to do with considering a guy who beneath it all is a decent person who can coach err anything
i know this may be asking A LOT, but grow up a little bit
Are you aware of Calipari's past? I kind of thought being a cheater was a prerequisite for the Kentucky job.
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If we don't think a woman can take a job coaching men, why do people accept biological men taking a spot (from a biological woman) on women's teams?
I’d love to see Dawn Staley get a shot at a men’s job. She is a great coach.
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well if you laugh at reeko's chit we all know what kind of sense of humor you have...or don't so thank you for the compliment
You are most welcome.
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If we don't think a woman can take a job coaching men, why do people accept biological men taking a spot (from a biological woman) on women's teams?
God you people are so exhausting. Just go away and let us discuss Marquette basketball without your trolling.
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As a woman, I obviously care very much about women's rights and what we have clawed and battled for years. Things like women's sports were specifically created because if it were just sports, women would be excluded. I am a proponent of inclusion until it leads to exclusion of someone who truly biologically belongs in the category. Why should women be asked to concede something that is ours for men? Here's a list of all of the times women have lost out in their own category to someone who did not belong: https://www.shewon.org/
Yeah...I don't really think you care all that much.
And again, this topic has nothing to do with the Coaching Carousel.
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Dawn is a 3 time National Champion coach and just coached her team to an "invincible" season. She pushed all the right buttons last night; it was a master class. I would love to see what she can do at Kentucky. She would bring more integrity that Scott Drew...and is a far better coach. Seriously.
If you were serious, you would have written this in your first post.
But your first post mentioned nothing of her accomplishments. Which is pretty weird, given how much you care about women's athletics. Instead, your first post only took a swipe at her stance on transgender athletes.
Please stop now and let the thread stay on topic.
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Dawn Staley is a great coach I don't think Kentucky is ready for that leap.
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Biological men do not belong in women's sports. Anyone with a brain and a basic understanding of biology would agree.
I'm a woman who is in pretty good shape but I need to play from the women's tee boxes because the men who are 30 years older than me can still outdrive me.
XX only.
Women have wanted to be treated equally to men (as they should!), but if a male transitions to a female and tries to play sports they go absolutely nuts.
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it seems like being a d-bag comes easily to you...shocker!! you always have to be a contrarian or wtf?!?
yeah, one of the most coveted jobs in basketball and they are probably going to offer it to a "cheater"?? nothing to do with considering a guy who beneath it all is a decent person who can coach err anything
i know this may be asking A LOT, but grow up a little bit
This is awesome. You are questioning if Kentucky (home of Rick Pitino, Billy Gillispie, and Jon Calipari) would offer the position to a self-admitted (Drew) cheater? Look...there's good odds this thing comes down to a guy who oversaw a program in which someone's immigration status was used to try to force him to a school and a guy who beat his girlfriend.
All that said, the most hilarious part of all this is that you were sure he was going to Louisville, and then Kentucky opens and you were sure he didn't take Louisville because he was waiting on Kentucky (in which case you shouldn't have been so sure he was taking Louisville).
All this after having inside info on Michigan as well.
I think you might be Trilly Donovan...
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If you were serious, you would have written this in your first post.
But your first post mentioned nothing of her accomplishments. Which is pretty weird, given how much you care about women's athletics. Instead, your first post only took a swipe at her stance on transgender athletes.
Please stop now and let the thread stay on topic.
Oh, got it. Both you and Hippie Hyperbole of whatever the hell his name is both know me and my intentions better than I do. Why don't you both mansplain a little more to me about what I think.
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it seems like being a d-bag comes easily to you...shocker!! you always have to be a contrarian or wtf?!?
yeah, one of the most coveted jobs in basketball and they are probably going to offer it to a "cheater"?? nothing to do with considering a guy who beneath it all is a decent person who can coach err anything
i know this may be asking A LOT, but grow up a little bit
You do realize that the guy they gave their coveted job to last was...well, a cheater, right? And continued to be a cheater while holding that coveted job.
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Oh, got it. Both you and Hippie Hyperbole of whatever the hell his name is both know me and my intentions better than I do. Why don't you both mansplain a little more to me about what I think.
By the evidence presented, you clearly are a bigot and either don't have the intelligence or the self-control to keep your bigoted beliefs out of the Coaching Carousel topic.
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I'm glad to see the forum round into offseason form so effortlessly. Keep up the great work everyone!
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Oh, got it. Both you and Hippie Hyperbole of whatever the hell his name is both know me and my intentions better than I do. Why don't you both mansplain a little more to me about what I think.
When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
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This is awesome. You are questioning if Kentucky (home of Rick Pitino, Billy Gillispie, and Jon Calipari) would offer the position to a self-admitted (Drew) cheater? Look...there's good odds this thing comes down to a guy who oversaw a program in which someone's immigration status was used to try to force him to a school and a guy who beat his girlfriend.
All that said, the most hilarious part of all this is that you were sure he was going to Louisville, and then Kentucky opens and you were sure he didn't take Louisville because he was waiting on Kentucky (in which case you shouldn't have been so sure he was taking Louisville).
All this after having inside info on Michigan as well.
I think you might be Trilly Donovan...
More like Trolly Donovan.
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By the evidence presented, you clearly are a bigot and either don't have the intelligence or the self-control to keep your bigoted beliefs out of the Coaching Carousel topic.
You are so right. Tell me more, genius.
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I think you might be Trilly Donovan...
Drilly Donovan...
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Again, Baylor literally SELF-REPORTED violations that Drew and his staff made to the NCAA.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-basketball/drews-cheating-stigma-now-has-merit
you're missing the point sally. i fully realize reeko et.al. want to grind in the "cheating" thing because he/they know i'm a fan of scott drew. if the "cheating" filter is used for every hire, then fine. let's do a character biopsy on everyone and conveniently glaze over the real character attributes of the whole person. overall, scott is a decent person and if he was truly a "dirty" person, he wouldn't carry the respect he does. yes, he is a spiritual person who tries not to wear it on his sleeve, but yes, he would prefer to go somewhere where he feels free to exercise that attribute
we all know reeko doesn't need to pray because his picture is on God's tee shirts
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When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
I guess I am just a lowly woman who is tired of men finding new ways to take away the limited opportunities that women have created for themselves.
I stand by my comments that Dawn would be an amazing hire for Kentucky. Of course she won't be considered because she is a woman, and how dare women cross over into spaces that were designed for men.
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I agree with you. Dawn is an amazing coach. I don't think Kentucky is ready for a female African-American coach for the men's basketball team.
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This is awesome. You are questioning if Kentucky (home of Rick Pitino, Billy Gillispie, and Jon Calipari) would offer the position to a self-admitted (Drew) cheater? Look...there's good odds this thing comes down to a guy who oversaw a program in which someone's immigration status was used to try to force him to a school and a guy who beat his girlfriend.
All that said, the most hilarious part of all this is that you were sure he was going to Louisville, and then Kentucky opens and you were sure he didn't take Louisville because he was waiting on Kentucky (in which case you shouldn't have been so sure he was taking Louisville).
All this after having inside info on Michigan as well.
I think you might be Trilly Donovan...
who the hell...listen jack wagon, i never said i was SURE he was going to louisville. i merely said he was essentially being offered the job and he was considering it. now get back to playing footsie with your buddies
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It would be the coolest thing ever though...imagine a place like Kentucky making a move like that. Totally progressive and a chance to rewrite the script on perceptions of that institution.
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I agree with you. Dawn is an amazing coach. I don't think Kentucky is ready for a female African-American coach for the men's basketball team.
Hell Yes!!!!! Finally someone played the race card. I think this tread is now complete.
BTW, nice shot at the Kentucky bigots. ;)
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It would be.
And WT, how Tubby Smith was treated still hangs over that job.
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you're missing the point sally. i fully realize reeko et.al. want to grind in the "cheating" thing because he/they know i'm a fan of scott drew. if the "cheating" filter is used for every hire, then fine. let's do a character biopsy on everyone and conveniently glaze over the real character attributes of the whole person. overall, scott is a decent person and if he was truly a "dirty" person, he wouldn't carry the respect he does. yes, he is a spiritual person who tries not to wear it on his sleeve, but yes, he would prefer to go somewhere where he feels free to exercise that attribute
we all know reeko doesn't need to pray because his picture is on God's tee shirts
He carries so much respect from his peers that the only coach perceived to be a bigger cheater in college basketball is the guy he'd be replacing. But Kentucky has too much dignity to hire a cheater to coach its men's basketball program.
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It would be the coolest thing ever though...imagine a place like Kentucky making a move like that. Totally progressive and a chance to rewrite the script on perceptions of that institution.
Dawn's a hell of a coach and I too hope it happens.
But not sure why you're here telling Marquette basketball fans this though. Get Mitch Barnhart on the line with your rec.
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I guess I am just a lowly woman who is tired of men finding new ways to take away the limited opportunities that women have created for themselves.
Yes, it's terrible when historically oppressed groups are denied opportunities.
You're this close to getting it.
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Yes, it's terrible when historically oppressed groups are denied opportunities.
You're this close to getting it.
No one is saying they can't compete according to their biological sex, while still being allowed to express their gender identities. However, their "validation" does not have to come at the expense of women's sports, and women's safety in sports/locker rooms. Maybe it's their fellow men who are, in fact, the bigots. Maybe you should be more accepting to transpeople wanting to compete in your categories. Maybe Lia Thomas should have competed in men's swimming events (college and beyond) where they are more appropriate fit biologically.
Stating this does not make me a bigot or uneducated. I have different life experiences from you on the basis of actually growing up as a woman and being a feminist and fighting for women's rights. I earned a PhD in chemistry where few women do so, even today, because of harrassment from colleagues...our group of 17 had just 4 women. I did a postdoc in academia and made notes of the very different ways women were treated and the number of women professors in my department. I competed at very high levels in women's sports and had opportunities to do things like win state championships in team sports against other girls or compete for a spot in New Englands (track and field), while not having to worry about being injured by someone who was miscategorized. I also competed in coed sports where there are very clear differences in levels of physical ability -- speed and strength. Sorry that you do not like or agree with my opinion, but it is a lived experience, which you cannot possibly appreciate as a man.
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I guess I am just a lowly woman who is tired of men finding new ways to take away the limited opportunities that women have created for themselves.
I stand by my comments that Dawn would be an amazing hire for Kentucky. Of course she won't be considered because she is a woman, and how dare women cross over into spaces that were designed for men.
Except when you introduced Dawn Staley to this thread, you mentioned none of her abilities or accomplishments. You mentioned nothing about her being deserving, or about it being a potentially groundbreaking achievement that would reflect well on all women in the profession.
Instead, you took a cheap swipe at her for her comments about transgender athletes. Instead of talking about women's rights, you took a shot at transgender rights.
Only after getting pushback on your bigoted comment did you start talking about Staley's outstanding coaching ability.
So you can keep trying to obfuscate, but what you said in introducing Staley in this thread is right there for everybody to read.
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No one is saying they can't compete according to their biological sex, while still being allowed to express their gender identities. However, their "validation" does not have to come at the expense of women's sports, and women's safety in sports/locker rooms. Maybe it's their fellow men who are, in fact, the bigots. Maybe you should be more accepting to transpeople wanting to compete in your categories. Maybe Lia Thomas should have competed in men's swimming events (college and beyond) where they are more appropriate fit biologically.
Stating this does not make me a bigot or uneducated. I have different life experiences from you on the basis of actually growing up as a woman and being a feminist and fighting for women's rights. I earned a PhD in chemistry where few women do so, even today, because of harrassment from colleagues...our group of 17 had just 4 women. I did a postdoc in academia and made notes of the very different ways women were treated and the number of women professors in my department. I competed at very high levels in women's sports and had opportunities to do things like win state championships in team sports against other girls or compete for a spot in New Englands (track and field), while not having to worry about being injured by someone who was miscategorized. I also competed in coed sports where there are very clear differences in levels of physical ability -- speed and strength. Sorry that you do not like or agree with my opinion, but it is a lived experience, which you cannot possibly appreciate as a man.
Too bad your experiences turned you into a bigot.
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Sorry that you do not like or agree with my opinion, but it is a lived experience, which you cannot possibly appreciate as a man.
If only you had the same respect for others' lived experiences that you demand for yourself.
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Anyhoo ... back to the Coaching Carousel ...
The Athletic listed 9 potential candidates, and Shaka was #9. Here's what they said:
It was made perfectly clear by Smart’s reps that he wasn’t interested in some prominent openings earlier in this cycle, but none of those jobs were Kentucky. The easy argument against this is that Smart already lived the life of a major, state school, hyper-high profile job, and it didn’t work out. But Texas and Kentucky are not remotely similar jobs. Kentucky is a basketball school — maybe the basketball school — and is the equivalent of Marquette on all available steroids. We wonder if Smart would have interest in turning his life upside down in the most dramatic way possible, but wouldn’t he at least have to answer the call, if it comes?
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If only you had the same respect for others' lived experiences that you demand for yourself.
Same goes for you, buddy boy.
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Too bad your experiences turned you into a bigot.
If by "bigot," you mean to say "feminist," then yes, I agree.
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If by "bigot," you mean to say "feminist," then yes, I agree.
I see you are now bastardizing a word to cover your own bigotry. Pretty sad.
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No one is saying they can't compete according to their biological sex, while still being allowed to express their gender identities. However, their "validation" does not have to come at the expense of women's sports, and women's safety in sports/locker rooms. Maybe it's their fellow men who are, in fact, the bigots. Maybe you should be more accepting to transpeople wanting to compete in your categories. Maybe Lia Thomas should have competed in men's swimming events (college and beyond) where they are more appropriate fit biologically.
Stating this does not make me a bigot or uneducated. I have different life experiences from you on the basis of actually growing up as a woman and being a feminist and fighting for women's rights. I earned a PhD in chemistry where few women do so, even today, because of harrassment from colleagues...our group of 17 had just 4 women. I did a postdoc in academia and made notes of the very different ways women were treated and the number of women professors in my department. I competed at very high levels in women's sports and had opportunities to do things like win state championships in team sports against other girls or compete for a spot in New Englands (track and field), while not having to worry about being injured by someone who was miscategorized. I also competed in coed sports where there are very clear differences in levels of physical ability -- speed and strength. Sorry that you do not like or agree with my opinion, but it is a lived experience, which you cannot possibly appreciate as a man.
Sorry, skoop sez you're wrong. Bigot.
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If by "bigot," you mean to say "feminist," then yes, I agree.
Did you by chance write a popular series of children’s books about a boy wizard and his friends at witchcraft school?
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Anyhoo ... back to the Coaching Carousel ...
The Athletic listed 9 potential candidates, and Shaka was #9. Here's what they said:
It was made perfectly clear by Smart’s reps that he wasn’t interested in some prominent openings earlier in this cycle, but none of those jobs were Kentucky. The easy argument against this is that Smart already lived the life of a major, state school, hyper-high profile job, and it didn’t work out. But Texas and Kentucky are not remotely similar jobs. Kentucky is a basketball school — maybe the basketball school — and is the equivalent of Marquette on all available steroids. We wonder if Smart would have interest in turning his life upside down in the most dramatic way possible, but wouldn’t he at least have to answer the call, if it comes?
There are three reasons for a coach to change jobs.
In my opinion:
1. Money
2. Unhappy alumni/administration
3. Recruiting.
2 is why Buzz left.
3 is why Crean left.
I think the big concern here about Shaka would be recruiting. It is much easier to recruit for Kentucky.
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No one is saying they can't compete according to their biological sex, while still being allowed to express their gender identities. However, their "validation" does not have to come at the expense of women's sports, and women's safety in sports/locker rooms. Maybe it's their fellow men who are, in fact, the bigots. Maybe you should be more accepting to transpeople wanting to compete in your categories. Maybe Lia Thomas should have competed in men's swimming events (college and beyond) where they are more appropriate fit biologically.
Stating this does not make me a bigot or uneducated. I have different life experiences from you on the basis of actually growing up as a woman and being a feminist and fighting for women's rights. I earned a PhD in chemistry where few women do so, even today, because of harrassment from colleagues...our group of 17 had just 4 women. I did a postdoc in academia and made notes of the very different ways women were treated and the number of women professors in my department. I competed at very high levels in women's sports and had opportunities to do things like win state championships in team sports against other girls or compete for a spot in New Englands (track and field), while not having to worry about being injured by someone who was miscategorized. I also competed in coed sports where there are very clear differences in levels of physical ability -- speed and strength. Sorry that you do not like or agree with my opinion, but it is a lived experience, which you cannot possibly appreciate as a man.
You were scared of being injured by a biological male in track and field? What the hell kind of track and field were you competing in?
I'd welcome any females that transition to males to compete in male sports.
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Sorry, skoop sez you're wrong. Bigot.
The majority of Scoop were also Pro-Jos for far too long, so I'm cool with them thinking I'm wrong.
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You were scared of being injured by a biological male in track and field? What the hell kind of track and field were you competing in?
I'd welcome any females that transition to males to compete in male sports.
Not track and field...I was refering to team sports which were mentioned in the same sentence. And I was never afraid of being injured by a biological male there because boys competing as girls was never a thing when I played competitive sports.
Of course you would welcome females who transitioned to male to compete in male sports. There is no physical advantage and they would never displace a boy from a roster. Imagine if they did though. Imagine if there was an advantage and some girl stole a coveted position from a boy (starting quarterback, perhaps)? That would get shut down so fast...because at the end of the day, boys are more valued than girls.
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Not track and field...I was refering to team sports which were mentioned in the same sentence. And I was never afraid of being injured by a biological male there because boys competing as girls was never a thing when I played competitive sports.
And it's not really a thing now...except for a very few instances. But I guess everybody has to be outraged by something so you do you.
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And it's not really a thing now...except for a very few instances. But I guess everybody has to be outraged by something so you do you.
As of 2023, there were 34 transgender athletes among the more than 520,000 NCAA athletes.
That's .000065%
So, obviously you can understand why people like jutaw22mu are so concerned.
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Is there a thread on Scoop for men's college basketball coaching changes? Asking for a friend. ;)
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As of 2023, there were 34 transgender athletes among the more than 520,000 NCAA athletes.
That's .000065%
So, obviously you can understand why people like jutaw22mu are so concerned.
Great math, but that's 34 spots that should have went to women and didn't. So, yes, I am concerned. Especially if scholarships were involved.
WHY DO YOU HATE WOMEN SO MUCH?
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I’d hire Dawn Staley before Scott Drew. She has way more integrity than the cheater.
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Is there a thread on Scoop for men's college basketball coaching changes? Asking for a friend. ;)
(https://c.tenor.com/p5XVYCrQUwgAAAAM/hear-hear-crying.gif)
Can you 3 or 4 or whatever just walk away from this circular argument that is not going to convince anyone of anything and get the thread back on track!?!
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There are three reasons for a coach to change jobs.
In my opinion:
1. Money
2. Unhappy alumni/administration
3. Recruiting.
2 is why Buzz left.
3 is why Crean left.
I think the big concern here about Shaka would be recruiting. It is much easier to recruit for Kentucky.
Counterpoint: The way Shaka wants to recruit aligns much better with Marquette than the way Kentucky expects their coach to recruit aligns with Shaka.
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Counterpoint: The way Shaka wants to recruit aligns much better with Marquette than the way Kentucky expects their coach to recruit aligns with Shaka.
Great point. I wonder how UK fans would deal with not having a top 10 recruiting class, but rather a strategy of player development?
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Counterpoint: The way Shaka wants to recruit aligns much better with Marquette than the way Kentucky expects their coach to recruit aligns with Shaka.
Agree, I think Kentucky fans would be freaking out right now if Shaka wasn’t currently all in on top portal guys and random 5 star recruits. They would also probably have wanted him fired for not replacing Omax with the top available portal transfer from last year. I think Shaka would be pretty low on their list based on his philosophy of how he wants to build a program.
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I really don't think Kentucky cares about how a coach recruits as long as he wins. I think the one and done thing, and ignorance of the portal, was all Cal's doing.
Anyway, here is a great article comparing this hire to Jimbo Fischer's at A&M
https://www.on3.com/news/john-calipari-to-arkansas-is-the-hoops-version-of-jimbo-to-texas-am/
"Asked after the Oakland loss if he’d consider using the transfer portal more to build an older roster rather than relying on so many freshmen, Calipari offered an answer that further enraged the Kentucky fanbase.
“I’ve done this with young teams my whole career, and it’s going to be hard for me to change that,” Calipari said. “Because we’ve helped so many young people and their families that I don’t see myself just saying, ‘Okay, we’re not going to recruit freshmen.’ I mean, the thing that we’ve been blessed with is families bring their sons to us and we do what we’re supposed to do to help them prepare for the rest of their lives.”
At Arkansas, Calipari needs to understand that his job is to win the most championships, not to produce the most first-rounders. Yes, those things do go hand-in-hand sometimes. But they don’t always dovetail."
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Anyhoo ... back to the Coaching Carousel ...
The Athletic listed 9 potential candidates, and Shaka was #9. Here's what they said:
It was made perfectly clear by Smart’s reps that he wasn’t interested in some prominent openings earlier in this cycle, but none of those jobs were Kentucky. The easy argument against this is that Smart already lived the life of a major, state school, hyper-high profile job, and it didn’t work out. But Texas and Kentucky are not remotely similar jobs. Kentucky is a basketball school — maybe the basketball school — and is the equivalent of Marquette on all available steroids. We wonder if Smart would have interest in turning his life upside down in the most dramatic way possible, but wouldn’t he at least have to answer the call, if it comes?
One call, that’s all!
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(https://c.tenor.com/p5XVYCrQUwgAAAAM/hear-hear-crying.gif)
Can you 3 or 4 or whatever just walk away from this circular argument that is not going to convince anyone of anything and get the thread back on track!?!
Let's get back to discussing violent crime rates in Chicago.
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Oh, got it. Both you and Hippie Hyperbole of whatever the hell his name is both know me and my intentions better than I do. Why don't you both mansplain a little more to me about what I think.
No need, you've been telling us who you are since 2007.
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Vintage MU scoop
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You are hilarious to everyone but yourself.
you mock Rocket Surgeon but you’ll beg for him to do your dental implant, hey
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Dawn Staley should go coach Kentucky since she already implied she would be fine with coaching men anyway.
you are correct. But, be careful. Scoops basement keyboard snipers are locked & loaded.
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Yeah...something tells me you really don't care all that much about women's rights.
Anyway, you should keep the politics out of the Coaching Carousel topic because it has zero to do with what is being discussed here.
I’m willing to bet jutaw22mu does care about women’s rights. I’m willing to bet she feels as any reasonable person would that men do not belong in womens sports. And who the hell are you to post what someone should or should not post? I mean, you post more bullshiiit on Scoop than anyone.
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I’m willing to bet jutaw22mu does care about women’s rights. I’m willing to bet she feels as any reasonable person would that men do not belong in womens sports. And who the hell are you to post what someone should or should not post? I mean, you post more bullshiiit on Scoop than anyone.
No need to resurrect the topic. People asked that we stop, so I did. I suggest you do the same.
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you mock Rocket Surgeon but you’ll beg for him to do your dental implant, hey
Ok...you got me.
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you mock Rocket Surgeon but you’ll beg for him to do your dental implant, hey
I would drive 150 miles to a dentist I read about on a matchbook cover in a bedside stand in a sleazy rent by the hour hotel before that happened. But before 4ever.
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On totally unrelated subject; would Kelvin Sampson be a candidate for UK?
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On totally unrelated subject; would Kelvin Sampson be a candidate for UK?
;D
Good fit, you'd think. But 68 years old.
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;D
Good fit, you'd think. But 68 years old.
Yup.
Drew is the one that makes all the sense on so many fronts. Vegas agrees at 1:1 odds. The one that gets me is Vegas has Richard Pitino at 7:1...which is the 3rd most likely candidate. Shaka at 20:1 and Pearl at 25:1...
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;D
Good fit, you'd think. But 68 years old.
Sampson leaving for Kentucky would open up the Houston job for his son though.
Could see it.
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Sampson leaving for Kentucky would open up the Houston job for his son though.
Could see it.
Could see Houston saying "if you leave before 70...no promises for your son."
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Could see Houston saying "if you leave before 70...no promises for your son."
COLD!
but I like it.
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Sampson leaving for Kentucky would open up the Houston job for his son though.
Could see it.
Right. Not sure Kentucky cares about opening a spot up for Sampson’s son at Houston. Also, Sampson has it good at Houston. 2003 Sampson? Yes.
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One of the guys on Around the Horn was chirping that UK should go after Shaka. I did not see it, but my buddy from NYC who is a basketball junkie called me to tell me.
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One of the guys on Around the Horn was chirping that UK should go after Shaka. I did not see it, but my buddy from NYC who is a basketball junkie called me to tell me.
There’s a better chance Dung is the next head coach of Kentucky
Maybe Greg Gard since he always gets it done
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Rico
I do not think Shaka ends up there, but it is a place to listen to. If I were the MU coach and if UK called me, I am listening. If nothing else, so I could tell my grandkids that UK reached out to me.
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Rico
I do not think Shaka ends up there, but it is a place to listen to. If I were the MU coach and if UK called me, I am listening. If nothing else, so I could tell my grandkids that UK reached out to me.
If he won two more games in the dance maybe he is a top 5 candidate for them.
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Rico
I do not think Shaka ends up there, but it is a place to listen to. If I were the MU coach and if UK called me, I am listening. If nothing else, so I could tell my grandkids that UK reached out to me.
A lot of people will have to say no, I think, to get to him.
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I think Shaka is a top five candidate, but I think it would be a very tough sell to get him. He might be a top three guy behind closed doors and other names are smokescreens. I think they have a better chance to land Shaka than Hurley, Wright, Donovan and Stephens.
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Twitter has taken a turn and saying Nate Oates is gonna take the Kentucky job
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Twitter has taken a turn and saying Nate Oates is gonna take the Kentucky job
I hope Kentucky changes the spelling of his name
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Kentucky thoroughbreds love their Oats.
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What about Buzz to KY ??? 8-)
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What about Buzz to KY ??? 8-)
He spilled chicklets on the floor once, he's not qualified to handle KY on the court
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There’s a better chance Dung is the next head coach of Kentucky
Maybe Greg Gard since he always gets it done
word…Gard knows ball
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UK couldn’t sell Shaka to the base. He’s absolutely a good enough coach to be considered but with his tournament record I’d be shocked if UK was interested
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Twitter has taken a turn and saying Nate Oates is gonna take the Kentucky job
$18 million...not a problem in Kentucky...
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I’m willing to bet jutaw22mu does care about women’s rights. I’m willing to bet she feels as any reasonable person would that men do not belong in womens sports. And who the hell are you to post what someone should or should not post? I mean, you post more bullshiiit on Scoop than anyone.
Bingo.
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Bingo.
Shameful, yet not surprising, at the crew that supports bigotry around here.
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No need to resurrect the topic. People asked that we stop, so I did. I suggest you do the same.
How big of you Fluffy to insult a poster, call her a bigot, not respond to any of her points, and then state the topic should be dropped. Maybe you should change your name again?
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How big of you Fluffy to insult a poster, call her a bigot, not respond to any of her points, and then state the topic should be dropped. Maybe you should change your name again?
I'm going to make an educated guess that the mods were the ones that told them to drop it.
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I'm going to make an educated guess that the mods were the ones that told them to drop it.
That's fine but his comments were ridiculous and insulting.
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How big of you Fluffy to insult a poster, call her a bigot, not respond to any of her points, and then state the topic should be dropped. Maybe you should change your name again?
I responded to her points. She’s a bigot. And you are as well if you support her point.
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I responded to her points. She’s a bigot. And you are as well if you support her point.
No, you did not.
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I'm going to make an educated guess that the mods were the ones that told them to drop it.
That's fine but his comments were ridiculous and insulting.
Nope. They were accurate.
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No, you did not.
Well somehow I’ll still manage to sleep tonight knowing that the most hyperbolic of Scoops nonsense posters didn’t think I addressed her points.
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Well somehow I’ll still manage to sleep tonight knowing that the most hyperbolic of Scoops nonsense posters didn’t think I addressed her points.
If you actually want to have a truthful discussion about this start a new thread. But attacking people and calling them bigots is absurd.
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Oats not a candidate according to Oats
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If you actually want to have a truthful discussion about this start a new thread. But attacking people and calling them bigots is absurd.
She brought it up. She’s a bigot.
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Meh, carry on.
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The internet thinks Calipari is trying to stay at Kentucky
Done Deal 2.0
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I heard manatees were pretty bigoted.
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I heard manatees were pretty bigoted.
Manatees are the least prejudiced species on the planet.
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Trust me on this. Scott Drew to UK...done deal, hey?
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Manatees are the least prejudiced species on the planet.
Thats only cause they are fat and dumb so they cant formulate much thought process
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Doc
Thanks for the inside scoop. Great hire for UK.
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If Kentucky isn't feeling their Oats, Drew is probably next on the list.
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Trust me on this. Scott Drew to UK...done deal, hey?
Did he pray before his decision? Or was it the money? I’m guessing it was the money
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Doc
Thanks for the inside scoop. Great hire for UK.
Likely to become my second favorite team, hey?
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Did he pray before his decision? Or was it the money? I’m guessing it was the money
Prosperity theology says God wants him to have all the money.
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Seems like the dentists know ball.
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I responded to her points. She’s a bigot. And you are as well if you support her point.
Whatever, bro. Title XI was established specifically to provide opportunities to women in sports...if transwomen (XY's) are allowed to participate in women's sports, then someone must be losing an opportunity.
I'm not a bigot...you can call me whatever you want if it makes you feel better about the fact that not only do you clearly support the patriarchy, but it seems to me like you clearly wish to extend the patriarchy.
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Likely to become my second favorite team, hey?
He’ll win a lot there. With the experience of cheating under the radar at Baylor, it should pay dividends at Kentucky.
Fan base is lukewarm about the hire but as scoop often shows, fans are idiots
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Prosperity theology says God wants him to have all the money.
Hard to believe Kentucky found someone dirtier than Pitino and Calipari. Kudos to them
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Seems like the dentists know ball.
The same one that had Drew to Louisville?
Drew was even money to get the job. Not exactly an inside scoop.
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Scott Drew is perfect for them, but they had a chance to change the dialogue. I wish them continued NCAA tourney non-success.
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Seems like the dentists know ball.
Yes, like Drew to Louisville. Like "peddle his azz". And so forth.
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Helluva job by rocket!! He has been on the Drew story for weeks, if not longer.
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Whatever, bro. Title XI was established specifically to provide opportunities to women in sports...if transwomen (XY's) are allowed to participate in women's sports, then someone must be losing an opportunity.
I'm not a bigot...you can call me whatever you want if it makes you feel better about the fact that not only do you clearly support the patriarchy, but it seems to me like you clearly wish to extend the patriarchy.
Bastardizing feminism to excuse bigotry and discrimination. It’s pretty sad to see.
Which means my initial point is accurate. You really don’t care that much about anyone’s rights. You care about your bigoted beliefs.
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Helluva job by rocket!! He has been on the Drew story for weeks, if not longer.
You’re trying too hard.
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Scott Drew is perfect for them, but they had a chance to change the dialogue. I wish them continued NCAA tourney non-success.
Since 2010, Baylor has been in 5 Sweet 16’s, 3 Elite 8’s and won it all. That’s great for Baylor and a tremendous job by Scott Drew. Won’t fly at Kentucky.
Sort of under the radar funny thing about this cycle is, Indiana would probably have hired Dusty May or Scott Drew in a heartbeat and chances are, they’ll be looking next year.
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Alright then who goes to Baylor? Lotta money with little oversight to be had as long as you choose your words correctly.
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Alright then who goes to Baylor? Lotta money with little oversight to be had as long as you choose your words correctly.
Jerome Tang would make the most sense but maybe he like KState
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Alright then who goes to Baylor? Lotta money with little oversight to be had as long as you choose your words correctly.
Tang
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Alright then who goes to Baylor? Lotta money with little oversight to be had as long as you choose your words correctly.
Huggins
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Helluva job by rocket!! He has been on the Drew story for weeks, if not longer.
Wait...Drew is going to Louisville?
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How are we determining who can play and who can't?
Genotype? Phenotype? Hormone level? How much testosterone in an XX is too much to compete in women's sports?
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Hard to believe Kentucky found someone dirtier than Pitino and Calipari. Kudos to them
Eddie Sutton's briefcase says hi
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Eddie Sutton's briefcase says hi
Drew is dirtier
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Bastardizing feminism to excuse bigotry and discrimination. It’s pretty sad to see.
Which means my initial point is accurate. You really don’t care that much about anyone’s rights. You care about your bigoted beliefs.
It's almost like you only know one word and you think that if you say it enough times that it must be true.
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How are we determining who can play and who can't?
Genotype? Phenotype? Hormone level? How much testosterone in an XX is too much to compete in women's sports?
Biological sex.
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🤷🏼♂️
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Eddie Sutton's briefcase says hi
Emery Worldwide envelope.
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It's almost like you only know one word and you think that if you say it enough times that it must be true.
Why use a bunch of words when one provides such simple accuracy?
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Oats backed out cause lack of NIL money?
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Biological sex.
NAIA must be bigots under Sultan's definition
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Oats backed out cause lack of NIL money?
I think Drew was the first choice.
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I think Drew was the first choice.
Oats info was per Twitter talk
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Twitter has taken a turn and saying Nate Oates is gonna take the Kentucky job
Kentucky appears to have a real shot.
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Oats info was per Twitter talk
I saw that but it’s my belief if a guy is putting out a statement about staying somewhere, it’s usually because they weren’t getting the gig.
I don’t think cash is an issue at Kentucky. It’s possible they’re not as organized as Alabama. That I would believe
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NAIA must be bigots under Sultan's definition
I saw that today. 25-0 vote. NCAA will hopefully follow suit.
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I saw that today. 25-0 vote. NCAA will hopefully follow suit.
You guys and gals want to start a thread elsewhere on this matter?
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NAIA must be bigots under Sultan's definition
Yep.
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You guys and gals want to start a thread elsewhere on this matter?
Sorry, I was done until Sultan decided to revive the whole thing. And, I'm biologically hard-wired to want the last word. Or is that bigoted to say?
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NAIA must be bigots under Sultan's definition
Told myself I wouldn't stumble back into this, but here we are ...
There's plenty of room for a reasonable, nuanced discussion and differing opinions about when, where and under what circumstances transgender athletes should compete.
Referring to transgender women as "men," specious claims about women being deprived of opportunities and couching one's prejudices as a women's rights issue is not part of that discussion.
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Am I missing the Scott Drew is going to UK piece? I've only seen him as an option.
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Told myself I wouldn't stumble back into this, but here we are ...
There's plenty of room for a reasonable, nuanced discussion and differing opinions about when, where and under what circumstances transgender athletes should compete.
Referring to transgender women as "men," specious claims about women being deprived of opportunities and couching one's prejudices as a women's rights issue is not part of that discussion.
Yep.
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Did he pray before his decision? Or was it the money? I’m guessing it was the money
casting a lot of stones, brah.
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casting a lot of stones, brah.
History is a great teacher, brah
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Whatever, bro. Title XI was established specifically to provide opportunities to women in sports
Actually Title XI had nothing to do with women's sports. It established that local and state anti discrimination laws could not supercede the civil rights act of 1964.
Title IX on the other hand....
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Told myself I wouldn't stumble back into this, but here we are ...
There's plenty of room for a reasonable, nuanced discussion and differing opinions about when, where and under what circumstances transgender athletes should compete.
Referring to transgender women as "men," specious claims about women being deprived of opportunities and couching one's prejudices as a women's rights issue is not part of that discussion.
Oh come on. Their biology states that transwomen are men. It's perplexing to me that you don't see those 34 transwomen in NCAA sports that you mentioned earlier as anything other than a Title IX violation where positions that have been set aside specifically for women are being given to non-women.
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Actually Title XI had nothing to do with women's sports. It established that local and state anti discrimination laws could not supercede the civil rights act of 1964.
Title IX on the other hand....
Haha thanks for the correction. I don't do Roman numerals. :)
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It's almost like you only know one word and you think that if you say it enough times that it must be true.
Sultan has no argument, hence the race card/bigotry play. I’ll gladly take the bigot label, however, in opining that men should not compete with women in sport. What if, for example, Mike Tyson decided to be…Michelle Tyson? Ah, no can do. Bigoted? Nope. Common sense? Yup.
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Oh come on. Their biology states that transwomen are men. It's perplexing to me that you don't see those 34 transwomen in NCAA sports that you mentioned earlier as anything other than a Title IX violation where positions that have been set aside specifically for women are being given to non-women.
Assumes facts not in evidence, counselor.
Show your work.
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Sultan has no argument, hence the race card/bigotry play. I’ll gladly take the bigot label, however, in opining that men should not compete with women in sport. What if, for example, Mike Tyson decided to be…Michelle Tyson? Ah, no can do. Bigoted? Nope. Common sense? Yup.
As Pak said, there are ways to allow trans athletes to participate that allow for fairness. But that requires thoughtful, well researched policy.
But that’s not what this is about. This is about piling onto a group that’s been repeatedly and disgustingly piled onto.
And simpletons such as yourself fall for it. Bigotry disguised as “fairness.”
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Sultan has no argument, hence the race card/bigotry play. I’ll gladly take the bigot label, however, in opining that men should not compete with women in sport. What if, for example, Mike Tyson decided to be…Michelle Tyson? Ah, no can do. Bigoted? Nope. Common sense? Yup.
Michelle Tyson at 57 would absolutely obliterate the best female boxer in her prime. Facts.
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As Pak said, there are ways to allow trans athletes to participate that allow for fairness. But that requires thoughtful, well researched policy.
But that’s not what this is about. This is about piling onto a group that’s been repeatedly and disgustingly piled onto.
And simpletons such as yourself fall for it. Bigotry disguised as “fairness.”
I agree. Fairness would be for them to compete in their designated biological sex while being recognized as the women that they believe themselves to be.
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Sultan has no argument, hence the race card/bigotry play. I’ll gladly take the bigot label, however, in opining that men should not compete with women in sport. What if, for example, Mike Tyson decided to be…Michelle Tyson? Ah, no can do. Bigoted? Nope. Common sense? Yup.
Ah yes, the ever-present boogeyman of the male athlete who's going to declare himself a woman and immediately compete in (and dominate) women's spprts.. Which has happened never and could happen never at any level.
And yet dolts keep raising this as if it were a real possibility.
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I agree. Fairness would be for them to compete in their designated biological sex while being recognized as the women that they believe themselves to be.
Yeah. You’re a pretty despicable person. Not worth the energy I have already spent.
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Yeah. You’re a pretty despicable person. Not worth the energy I have already spent.
Cool. Then I will take the last word and we can stop this dumb argument. #lastword
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Oh come on. Their biology states that transwomen are men. It's perplexing to me that you don't see those 34 transwomen in NCAA sports that you mentioned earlier as anything other than a Title IX violation where positions that have been set aside specifically for women are being given to non-women.
The athletics issue is generally used as a distraction to avoid deeper moral consideration of trans issues. You and everyone who refuses to accept that fellow human beings may declare their own gender are scum. Please try to become a better person.
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The athletics issue is generally used as a distraction to avoid deeper moral consideration of trans issues. You and everyone who refuses to accept that fellow human beings may declare their own gender are scum. Please try to become a better person.
They can declare their own gender but not sex. Biology declares sex.
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They can declare their own gender but not sex. Biology declares sex.
You have repeatedly referred to trans women as "men" and "non-women" in this thread.
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You have repeatedly referred to trans women as "men" and "non-women" in this thread.
What do you want me to call them? Because women ain't it. Unless you're willing to date one.
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What do you want me to call them? Because women ain't it. Unless you're willing to date one.
Please refer to my initial reply to you, pasted below for your convenience. This is why Sultan and others rightfully identified you as a bigot. By simple definition, you are one. Own it.
You and everyone who refuses to accept that fellow human beings may declare their own gender are scum. Please try to become a better person.
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ENOUGH!!
One of the biggest basketball coaching jobs in the country is open. It would be nice to come and hear about that job and the fallout from the hire.
Marquette men's college basketball board with a thread titled 2024 Coaching Carousel. This is not difficult people.
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Brad Underwood.
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Please refer to my initial reply to you, pasted below for your convenience. This is why Sultan and others rightfully identified you as a bigot. By simple definition, you are one. Own it.
Religious zealots gonna zealot
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ENOUGH!!
One of the biggest basketball coaching jobs in the country is open. It would be nice to come and hear about that job and the fallout from the hire.
Marquette men's college basketball board with a thread titled 2024 Coaching Carousel. This is not difficult people.
What’s got you triggered?
Need a safe space??
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What’s got you triggered?
Need a safe space??
Not really, he only asked to stop the nonsense on whether a player has a penis or not. Has no bearing on a coaching carousel, but hey it happens all the time here.
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Looking through jutaw’s posting history is sure something. Hits all the talking points.
Serious question. Did you transition? You sure talked a lot about how women should be considered murderers if they have an abortion. Women, women, women. Now suddenly when discussing women, it’s all “we have rights!” Were you not part of that “we” back in Crean’s time here?
You didn’t seem like a feminist back then. Feminists like to have a choice of what to do with their own bodies. You don’t like women to have that choice.
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Looking through jutaw’s posting history is sure something. Hits all the talking points.
Serious question. Did you transition? You sure talked a lot about how women should be considered murderers if they have an abortion. Women, women, women. Now suddenly when discussing women, it’s all “we have rights!” Were you not part of that “we” back in Crean’s time here?
You didn’t seem like a feminist back then. Feminists like to have a choice of what to do with their own bodies. You don’t like women to have that choice.
Nice logic. I'm a pro-life Catholic so therefore I must have transitioned. Get a grip.
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Nice logic. I'm a pro-life Catholic so therefore I must have transitioned. Get a grip.
Huh.
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Nice logic. I'm a pro-life Catholic so therefore I must have transitioned. Get a grip.
Yes, a "pro-life" Catholic that wants to bring back the guillotine. Checks out.
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Yes, a "pro-life" Catholic that wants to bring back the guillotine. Checks out.
Guys, I'm done. Leave me alone.
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Yes, a "pro-life" Catholic that wants to bring back the guillotine. Checks out.
Cmon. I think we should all take lessons on feminism from <checks notes> a “pro-life Catholic.”
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Guys, I'm done. Leave me alone.
Thank you for stopping in order that individuals want to discuss the college coaching environment and also for letting everyone know you do not have a penis.
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Cmon. I think we should all take lessons on feminism from <checks notes> a “pro-life Catholic.”
Sorry, I forgot that Catholics don't belong at places like Marquette. Unbelievable.
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Cmon. I think we should all take lessons on feminism from <checks notes> a “pro-life Catholic.”
There’s nothing more feminine than killing your own baby 🤷🏻♂️
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Sorry, I forgot that Catholics don't belong at places like Marquette. Unbelievable.
Huh?
There’s nothing more feminine than killing your own baby 🤷🏻♂️
Huh?
Logic is really failing people here.
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Alright and now back to the coaching carousel! Drew to Kentucky? Who else? Buzz? Donovan?
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Huggie Bear still hasn't landed a new gig. Here is the latest coaching changes tracker:
https://hoopdirt.com/2024-college-basketball-coaching-changes-tracker/
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Alright and now back to the coaching carousel! Drew to Kentucky? Who else? Buzz? Donovan?
Better chance Buzz retires from coaching and becomes a “life coach” or motivational speaker than getting the UK job. He’s on the down slope as a basketball coach. Don’t think he’s as into it as he once was.
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No way Huggie Bear gets another coaching gig.
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As a woman, I obviously care very much about women's rights and what we have clawed and battled for years. Things like women's sports were specifically created because if it were just sports, women would be excluded. I am a proponent of inclusion until it leads to exclusion of someone who truly biologically belongs in the category. Why should women be asked to concede something that is ours for men? Here's a list of all of the times women have lost out in their own category to someone who did not belong: https://www.shewon.org/
Disc Golf, Irish Dance, eSports, Snooker & Billiards 🤣🤣🤣
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Skipped pages 27-30, seems nothing much changed.
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Nice logic. I'm a pro-life Catholic so therefore I must have transitioned. Get a grip.
You're a devout Catholic but you're a feminist? Doesn't the Bible tell women to subordinate to men?
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You're a devout Catholic but you're a feminist? Doesn't the Bible tell women to subordinate to men?
Deborah wasn’t and God was cool with it.
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You're a devout Catholic but you're a feminist? Doesn't the Bible tell women to subordinate to men?
Perhaps you should read the entire bible before selecting a single passage to make a point.
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even by scoop standards this is unhinged.
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even by scoop standards this is unhinged.
Right?
These peoples' egos would not allow them to even agree what year it is or what 1+1 equals.
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Right?
These peoples' egos would not allow them to even agree what year it is or what 1+1 equals.
Who wouldn't want Jesus as their coach? I mean, Jesus.
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Who wouldn't want Jesus as their coach? I mean, Jesus.
Not me. Too nice
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Not me. Too nice
Kill or be killed business, and, well...
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Kill or be killed business, and, well...
He’d probably not let the guys dunk. No showboating with Jesus as coach.
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Who wouldn't want Jesus as their coach? I mean, Jesus.
He might flip some scorers’ tables!
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Yeah, he'd probably say something like "the only name, image and likeness you need is my Father's." And that's not going to fly on the recruiting trail.
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Yeah, he'd probably say something like "the only name, image and likeness you need is my Father's." And that's not going to fly on the recruiting trail.
Dabo is Jesus?
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Honestly, I haven't been paying attention...but yeah, this thread needs to course correct, immediately.
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nice
https://twitter.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1777717687705383175 (https://twitter.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1777717687705383175)
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Dabo is Jesus?
no…Dirty Preacher
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Who wouldn't want Jesus as their coach? I mean, Jesus.
Great teacher, but some of his recruiting has been suspect.
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Yeah, he'd probably say something like "the only name, image and likeness you need is my Father's." And that's not going to fly on the recruiting trail.
Seriously. Iscariot entered the portal and i heard the Romans are offering him 30 pieces of NIL
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Seriously. Iscariot entered the portal and i heard the Romans are offering him 30 pieces of NIL
Iscariot ... what incredible hang time that guy's got.
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nice
https://twitter.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1777717687705383175 (https://twitter.com/BoardGeniuses/status/1777717687705383175)
LOL. Doubt Shaka is interested anyway.
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Wait is Bill Self a legit possibility for Kentucky?
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Didn't Al hate Rupp for... predictable... reasons?
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Wait is Bill Self a legit possibility for Kentucky?
I doubt it. He already the highest paid coach in college basketball and can win just as easily at KU as he can at UK.
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I doubt it. He already the highest paid coach in college basketball and can win just as easily at KU as he can at UK.
There's also a lot of bodies buried around KU, and if Self and the KU athletic department have a good relationship I doubt either has any desire to rock that boat to see what's inside a mystery box.
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I doubt it. He already the highest paid coach in college basketball and can win just as easily at KU as he can at UK.
Wrong
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Wrong
https://247sports.com/longformarticle/2024-march-madness-bill-self-john-calipari-lead-college-basketballs-20-highest-paid-coaches-229009016/#2390393
https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach
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Hurley came right out and said during the press conference last night that he is not the least bit interested in the Kentucky job.
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Wrong
What exactly am I wrong about?
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Hurley came right out and said during the press conference last night that he is not the least bit interested in the Kentucky job.
I'm pretty certain he said his wife is not interested. But close enough.
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What exactly am I wrong about?
Apparently, continuing to breathe.
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I'm pretty certain he said his wife is not interested. But close enough.
Telling on himself
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He’d probably not let the guys dunk. No showboating with Jesus as coach.
You clearly don't remember what he was like as a player. Ascension Dunk, anyone?
https://www.theonion.com/christ-returns-to-nba-1819563859
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You clearly don't remember what he was like as a player. Ascension Dunk, anyone?
https://www.theonion.com/christ-returns-to-nba-1819563859
Among the top 5 Onion articles of all time.
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What exactly am I wrong about?
Let's see, where to begin, hey?
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Let's see, where to begin, hey?
I didn’t know sultan wanted Porter Moser over Shaka
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https://x.com/ukcoachcalipari/status/1777761913964843518?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1778081200382370118
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1778081200382370118
https://twitter.com/BUDREW/status/1778105249506402505
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https://twitter.com/BUDREW/status/1778105249506402505
That’s awesome. Baylor fans confused, Kentucky fans, well, are Kentucky fans about this post.
Posting a pic with Eric Shero is pretty interesting, though
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That’s awesome. Baylor fans confused, Kentucky fans, well, are Kentucky fans about this post.
Posting a pic with Eric Shero is pretty interesting, though
Why is that interesting? I do not know anything about Shero other than he is a COO at a Texas bank.
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What exactly am I wrong about?
Self was the third highest paid college basketball coach this year - behind Cal and Izzo.
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Self was the third highest paid college basketball coach this year - behind Cal and Izzo.
Nope. Not after Self's new contract.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/kansas-bill-self-signs-new-53-million-contract-making-him-college-basketballs-highest-paid-coach
https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach
https://twitter.com/CBKReport/status/1778074670761406834
https://frontofficesports.com/highest-paid-mens-college-basketball-coaches/
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/38850127/bill-self-life-contract-kansas-says-excited-finish-my-career-here
From the last one:
"Self's amended deal will pay more than $11 million this season, including a one-time signing bonus and retention payments that include money deferred during the pandemic, and far outstrips the contract signed by Kentucky coach John Calipari, who had been the most highly-compensated coach at a public university. (It is unclear what private schools, such as Duke, have paid their coaches because they are not required to make those contracts public.)"
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Why is that interesting? I do not know anything about Shero other than he is a COO at a Texas bank.
Baylor money man
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Saw a rumor that Kentucky will make a starting offer of $11 million a year for 6 years to Hurley. That $66 million.
He signed a new contract with UCONN in January, 2024 for 6 years for $32 million. No knowledge of what a buyout for Hurley is.
Would you stay or would you go?
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Saw a rumor that Kentucky will make a starting offer of $11 million a year for 6 years to Hurley. That $66 million.
He signed a new contract with UCONN in January, 2024 for 6 years for $32 million. No knowledge of what a buyout for Hurley is.
Would you stay or would you go?
I'll have to defer to Rico to understand the difference $30 Million makes in a person's life.
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I would ask his wife. She is the decision maker in regards to Kentucky. He doesn't need to clip coupons. UConn will take care of him.
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Saw a rumor that Kentucky will make a starting offer of $11 million a year for 6 years to Hurley. That $66 million.
He signed a new contract with UCONN in January, 2024 for 6 years for $32 million. No knowledge of what a buyout for Hurley is.
Would you stay or would you go?
I think it is a big assumption that the UK number is real. But assuming it is, and assuming Hurley will most likely get a $7M per year for longer than 6 years from UCONN. I'd think UK would win out.
UK could more than double Donovan's salary with the Bulls if UK wants him.
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Kentucky has fewer national titles in the last 25 years than Hurley has in the last two. 11-12 mill a year vs 8 isn't chump change, but he's at a better program and knows how to recruit in the NorthEast. I don't see it happening.
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Kentucky has fewer national titles in the last 25 years than Hurley has in the last two. 11-12 mill a year vs 8 isn't chump change, but he's at a better program and knows how to recruit in the NorthEast. I don't see it happening.
agreed. And, Hurley says he’s about building a dynasty. I believe he is/will.
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Saw Hurley on Cowturd today. Hew is looking at UConn's opportunity to threepeat. Also said he is very active in the Portal. Does not sound like he is leaving. Question should be What is MU doing to keep up with this guy?
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I'll have to defer to Rico to understand the difference $30 Million makes in a person's life.
Depends on whether you already have $30K or $30 mil. 8-)
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I think it is a big assumption that the UK number is real. But assuming it is, and assuming Hurley will most likely get a $7M per year for longer than 6 years from UCONN. I'd think UK would win out.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKsxCpzbcAA19a6?format=jpg&name=small)
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Saw Hurley on Cowturd today. Hew is looking at UConn's opportunity to threepeat. Also said he is very active in the Portal. Does not sound like he is leaving. Question should be What is MU doing to keep up with this guy?
We should be doing everything humanly possible to add two badasses for starters. I don't like the portal, NIL, or these super-confs/ realignment. But this is the way it is for now. You have to add pieces (like with did with Tyko and Omax) and fill certain spots to compete for nattys and with UCONN.
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We should be doing everything humanly possible to add two badasses for starters. I don't like the portal, NIL, or these super-confs/ realignment. But this is the way it is for now. You have to add pieces (like with did with Tyko and Omax) and fill certain spots to compete for nattys and with UCONN.
So who are you cutting?
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Kentucky has fewer national titles in the last 25 years than Hurley has in the last two. 11-12 mill a year vs 8 isn't chump change, but he's at a better program and knows how to recruit in the NorthEast. I don't see it happening.
It's not $8 million a year, it's less than $6 million at year at UCONN for current contract. Like I said it's a rumor but we will see in upcoming week. Maybe he would like the challenge to resurrect a Kentucky program . Maybe he is happy where he is. No one knows, but that's some major money and at a storied program looking to get back.
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So who are you cutting?
We don't know yet who's staying or leaving besides Oso.
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It's not $8 million a year, it's less than $6 million at year at UCONN for current contract. Like I said it's a rumor but we will see in upcoming week. Maybe he would like the challenge to resurrect a Kentucky program . Maybe he is happy where he is. No one knows, but that's some major money and at a storied program looking to get back.
Bob's Discount Furniture guy ready to kick in some more at UConn.
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We don't know yet who's staying or leaving besides Oso.
If we're adding "two badasses", someone's getting cut.
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We should be doing everything humanly possible to add two badasses for starters. I don't like the portal, NIL, or these super-confs/ realignment. But this is the way it is for now. You have to add pieces (like with did with Tyko and Omax) and fill certain spots to compete for nattys and with UCONN.
Show me a Scooper who claims he or she considered TK and OMax to be “badasses” when Shaka signed them, and I’ll show you a liar.
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Show me a Scooper who claims he or she considered TK and OMax to be “badasses” when Shaka signed them, and I’ll show you a liar.
I thought Tyler Kolek had the ceiling of the next Scott Christopherson, and I would have been happy with that. What we got surprised me.
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Saw a rumor that Kentucky will make a starting offer of $11 million a year for 6 years to Hurley. That $66 million.
He signed a new contract with UCONN in January, 2024 for 6 years for $32 million. No knowledge of what a buyout for Hurley is.
Would you stay or would you go?
Is this the source of the rumor?
https://twitter.com/S_CharlesNFL/status/1777707567797428703?t=Ns7tRxG6SLVr7Tw86Qs-7w&s=19
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Show me a Scooper who claims he or she considered TK and OMax to be “badasses” when Shaka signed them, and I’ll show you a liar.
Let me add or rephrase:
PFB's : Potential Fking Badasses are fine as well.
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Is this the source of the rumor?
https://twitter.com/S_CharlesNFL/status/1777707567797428703?t=Ns7tRxG6SLVr7Tw86Qs-7w&s=19
Can't recall, but not that one. It said $11 million for 6 years. Lots of them out there, don't know if it's the old, where's there's smoke there's fire thing. But $30 million dollar difference is huge, and I presume Hurley will at least listen. You have to.
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Depends on whether you already have $30K or $30 mil. 8-)
Well, I can tell you, as an evangelical Christian, it is important to get every dollar you can and hide it in a tax shelter. I like to buy autographed bibles and hand them out to the homeless. Great tax write off
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Well, I can tell you, as an evangelical Christian, it is important to get every dollar you can and hide it in a tax shelter. I like to buy autographed bibles and hand them out to the homeless. Great tax write off
Autographed by Jesus?
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Autographed by Jesus?
And presidents!
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It's not $8 million a year, it's less than $6 million at year at UCONN for current contract. Like I said it's a rumor but we will see in upcoming week. Maybe he would like the challenge to resurrect a Kentucky program . Maybe he is happy where he is. No one knows, but that's some major money and at a storied program looking to get back.
I tend to think people who are making $6 million aren't going to leave a situation where they are happy and successful to make a few million more. And UConn will give him another raise soon.
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Saw Hurley on Cowturd today. Hew is looking at UConn's opportunity to threepeat. Also said he is very active in the Portal. Does not sound like he is leaving. Question should be What is MU doing to keep up with this guy?
yup yup. UConn is the high bar.
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Can't recall, but not that one. It said $11 million for 6 years. Lots of them out there, don't know if it's the old, where's there's smoke there's fire thing. But $30 million dollar difference is huge, and I presume Hurley will at least listen. You have to.
Well, FYI, that Twitter account is a parody/joke account
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I thought Tyler Kolek had the ceiling of the next Scott Christopherson, and I would have been happy with that. What we got surprised me.
I remember the staff immediately making comparisons to Travis Diener, and I thought "they should probably tamp down expectations." Instead, Tyler came out, blew past those expectations, and lapped them once again.
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If Drew turns them down, I predict that Kentucky turns into the College of Cardinals.
And chooses a Pope.
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If Drew turns them down, I predict that Kentucky turns into the College of Cardinals.
And chooses a Pope.
Works for me, provided that the smoke signal announcing that a pope has been chosen comes from UK burning down Rupp.
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Scott Drew staying at Baylor
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Scott Drew staying at Baylor
Chip and Joanna Gaines kick in something extra for him to stay?
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Chip and Joanna Gaines kick in something extra for him to stay?
that makes sense plus he really was happy at baylor they have always treated him well there. i think he really respected his players and felt he had a commitment to them as well. and i know all of you agnostics and atheists here have difficulty understanding this, but he really is a spiritual man and he was praying over this decision. you guys should try it sometime
he could very easily retire there as BIG man on campus, similar to how al retired from MU
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Lololololololololol
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that makes sense plus he really was happy at baylor they have always treated him well there. i think he really respected his players and felt he had a commitment to them as well. and i know all of you agnostics and atheists here have difficulty understanding this, but he really is a spiritual man and he was praying over this decision. you guys should try it sometime
he could very easily retire there as BIG man on campus, similar to how al retired from MU
.5 out of 10
Learn ball
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So who's in the next tier of candidates? Underwood, Pearl, Miller, TJO?
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So, from our resident Drew insider, let's break down what happened here. Scott was off to Louisville, but then found out Kentucky was opening up well before Cal showed any interest in heading to Arkansas, after Kentucky announced Cal would be back. Then Kentucky opened up and Scott was off to Lexington. But now Scott is not leaving Waco. Hmm.
And weren't there some *hints* that "the guy from Grand Canyon" is off to a new job, too? Maybe THAT is the Drew that's going to Lexington?
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So who's in the next tier of candidates? Underwood, Pearl, Miller, TJO?
Miller is apparently next per the talking heads of twitter. But to be honest, I do not believe any of it because literally every talking head was 100% wrong about Drew.
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Scott Drew staying at Baylor
I’m here with the popcorn to watch big blue nation having a meltdown slowly realizing they aren’t as desirable a landing spot as they once were.
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If Drew turns them down, I predict that Kentucky turns into the College of Cardinals.
And chooses a Pope.
Would Joseph Smith approve?
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that makes sense plus he really was happy at baylor they have always treated him well there. i think he really respected his players and felt he had a commitment to them as well. and i know all of you agnostics and atheists here have difficulty understanding this, but he really is a spiritual man and he was praying over this decision. you guys should try it sometime
he could very easily retire there as BIG man on campus, similar to how al retired from MU
Helluva job by rocket!! He has been on the Drew story for weeks, if not longer.
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So who's in the next tier of candidates? Underwood, Pearl, Miller, TJO?
Pope and Donovan would be my next guesses
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Don't worry, they'll get "A" prediction right eventually, then pat themselves on the back about it until the end of time.
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Pope and Donovan would be my next guesses
https://www.cbssports.com/general/news/reach-of-buzzs-bunch-grows-reminds-us-of-coachs-kindness/amp/
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Pope and Donovan would be my next guesses
Let's show a little respect. That's, "Milwaukee Bucks Legend Mark Pope."
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Helluva job by rocket!! He has been on the Drew story for weeks, if not longer.
To be honest, rocket nailed this at the same rate he nails most things.
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Fluff
Always have to get personal, don't you? Very insecure.
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that makes sense plus he really was happy at baylor they have always treated him well there. i think he really respected his players and felt he had a commitment to them as well. and i know all of you agnostics and atheists here have difficulty understanding this, but he really is a spiritual man and he was praying over this decision. you guys should try it sometime
he could very easily retire there as BIG man on campus, similar to how al retired from MU
If by praying you mean lining up the Brinks trucks, the sure.
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that makes sense plus he really was happy at baylor they have always treated him well there. i think he really respected his players and felt he had a commitment to them as well. and i know all of you agnostics and atheists here have difficulty understanding this, but he really is a spiritual man and he was praying over this decision. you guys should try it sometime
he could very easily retire there as BIG man on campus, similar to how al retired from MU
I pray every day and pray over decisions all the time. It is why I am so charming and chill.
And Pope is next. See previous joke.
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So who's in the next tier of candidates? Underwood, Pearl, Miller, TJO?
New York City sports talk said Bruce Pearl was supposedly begging for the job and wanted it. FWIW
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Fluff
Always have to get personal, don't you? Very insecure.
Oh no. It's hilarious. Especially when you get roped into it.
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The state of Kentucky is learning some harsh lessons this spring about its current standing in the college basketball world.
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I listened to KSR on Monday + J Kyle Mann on the One Shining Podcast. And you could tell they were getting the same info. They were preaching that Hurley was self professed climber a la Pitino and he would be job hopping his whole career. They thought he would absolutely take the gig and noted he would eventually take the Knicks job.
Matt Jones and J Kyle are not idiots but wow did they have bad intell.
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I can absolutely see Hurley coaching in the NBA some day.
I would be shocked if he ends up at Kentucky.
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I’m here with the popcorn to watch big blue nation having a meltdown slowly realizing they aren’t as desirable a landing spot as they once were.
Like Indiana ending up with Woodson.
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The state of Kentucky is learning some harsh lessons this spring about its current standing in the college basketball world.
I think that with NLI, major conference CBK jobs are much more fungible than they used to be. When you had to recruit guys for multiple years, transfers had to sit out, etc., facilities and program identity was a much bigger deal. Now, so long as a school has the support to be competitive in NLI, good coaches feel that they have an equal opportunity to win just about anywhere outside the dregs (Vandy, DePaul, a few others) and stability is more important than small marginal increases in job status.
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I feel like the fans and media go through this exact same cycle every time a high profile job opens up. UK is not unique. P5 coaches don't move very often. I feel like Williams to UNC was the last one I can remember where there wasn't some "other" issue at play. Calipari, Musselman, Buzz, Shaka, Miller, etc. all involved some other issue to precipitate a move.
Look at the last few high profile jobs and who took the jobs. UNC- assistant, Duke - assistant, Nova - ex-assistant, UCLA - G5 coach, Indiana - Washed out NBA HC, UCONN - mid-major HC.
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I think that with NLI, major conference CBK jobs are much more fungible than they used to be. When you had to recruit guys for multiple years, transfers had to sit out, etc., facilities and program identity was a much bigger deal. Now, so long as a school has the support to be competitive in NLI, good coaches feel that they have an equal opportunity to win just about anywhere outside the dregs (Vandy, DePaul, a few others) and stability is more important than small marginal increases in job status.
Now what was considered cheating is permitted. As a result, schools that tried to play by the rules are somewhat less disadvantaged.
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New York City sports talk said Bruce Pearl was supposedly begging for the job and wanted it. FWIW
From the Klotsche Center to Rupp Arena.
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I don't think Donovan is completely out of this yet. His "denial" was hardly convincing. UK might end up with him at the top of the list.
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I don't think Donovan is completely out of this yet. His "denial" was hardly convincing. UK might end up with him at the top of the list.
I think you are correct. And I don't understand from the Bulls perspective why they would even care at this point.
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I think you are correct. And I don't understand from the Bulls perspective why they would even care at this point.
I'm not sure Billy wants to coach college in the current scene.
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I'm not sure Billy wants to coach college in the current scene.
You may be correct. But IMO if he is let go by the Bulls, he may not get another shot.
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Why would Donovan want to get back into recruiting and the pressure of the Kentucky job?
There's no pressure on him with the Bulls. Everyone puts all the blame on Jerry and the front office.
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Why would Donovan want to get back into recruiting and the pressure of the Kentucky job?
Obviously things can change, but from these remarks he wants nothing to do with it.
https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1742296065225670749?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1742296065225670749|twgr^a0cd32147c286dc9e8657636c3fc116fb8a1acbd|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Ffannation%2Fname-image-likeness%2Fnews%2Fbulls-coach-donovan-shares-nil-challenges-transfer-portal-issues-wad9
There's no pressure on him with the Bulls. Everyone puts all the blame on Jerry and the front office.
Mostly because it's true.
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Why would Donovan want to get back into recruiting and the pressure of the Kentucky job?
There's no pressure on him with the Bulls. Everyone puts all the blame on Jerry and the front office.
Where it solidly belongs. Worst owner in sports.
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that makes sense plus he really was happy at baylor they have always treated him well there. i think he really respected his players and felt he had a commitment to them as well. and i know all of you agnostics and atheists here have difficulty understanding this, but he really is a spiritual man and he was praying over this decision. you guys should try it sometime
he could very easily retire there as BIG man on campus, similar to how al retired from MU
My goodness.
Just take the L.
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Fluff
Always have to get personal, don't you? Very insecure.
My goodness.
Just take the L.
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The state of Kentucky is learning some harsh lessons this spring about its current standing in the college basketball world.
I was about to post something similar to this and then looked back at this thread.
This, 100%.
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I was about to post something similar to this and then looked back at this thread.
This, 100%.
I have a theory that with rise of social media, coaches have a much better sense the level of toxicity each potential job has.
15 years ago, Calipari is basically dealing with sports radio donkeys and message boards. All stuff that was toxic at times but still less direct.
Being the Alabama football coach has more pressure than South Carolina. Being the Kentucky basketball coach has more pressure than Auburn. Those things have always been true. Add the toxicity of the fanbases, I think it’s a tough sell even with all the money thrown at them.
Could Scott Drew win more at Kentucky? Maybe but at what cost and how much goodwill does one title get you anyway in Lexington? The high might be higher but the lows are way lower. I get why Drew stayed in Waco and if he got a little sweetener for him, his program and staff leveraging Kentucky? Well, the folks in the Bluegrass state may want to get used to that
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Why would Donovan want to get back into recruiting and the pressure of the Kentucky job?
There's no pressure on him with the Bulls. Everyone puts all the blame on Jerry and the front office.
Why would he? I think he would be crazy to leave the Bulls. As you said he has no pressure. Or at most he has pressure to bring in a .400 to .450 wining team and a 9th or 10th place finish. He is basically doing that with his eyes closed.
The only reasons I could imagine are significantly more money at UK and if he has any competitive pride left or he senses the Bull's have a change of heart and make a change at GM that would send him packing. The Bulls are his last NBA job, so he may want to move before his value takes a further hit.
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I have a theory that with rise of social media, coaches have a much better sense the level of toxicity each potential job has.
15 years ago, Calipari is basically dealing with sports radio donkeys and message boards. All stuff that was toxic at times but still less direct.
Being the Alabama football coach has more pressure than South Carolina. Being the Kentucky basketball coach has more pressure than Auburn. Those things have always been true. Add the toxicity of the fanbases, I think it’s a tough sell even with all the money thrown at them.
Could Scott Drew win more at Kentucky? Maybe but at what cost and how much goodwill does one title get you anyway in Lexington? The high might be higher but the lows are way lower. I get why Drew stayed in Waco and if he got a little sweetener for him, his program and staff leveraging Kentucky? Well, the folks in the Bluegrass state may want to get used to that
This is well said. I think in a lot of careers, the juice to move “up” isn’t always worth the squeeze.
Hurley, as an example, has won back to back titles at UConn. Guy owns that program, will get rewarded nicely, and has it made there. Would going to Lexington for maybe an extra $1M be worth it, with everything you described that comes along with it? Heck no.
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Why would he? I think he would be crazy to leave the Bulls. As you said he has no pressure. Or at most he has pressure to bring in a .400 to .450 wining team and a 9th or 10th place finish. He is basically doing that with his eyes closed.
The only reasons I could imagine are significantly more money at UK and if he has any competitive pride left or he senses the Bull's have a change of heart and make a change at GM that would send him packing. The Bulls are his last NBA job, so he may want to move before his value takes a further hit.
Do you think a competitor like Billy Donovan is happy?
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Why would he? I think he would be crazy to leave the Bulls. As you said he has no pressure. Or at most he has pressure to bring in a .400 to .450 wining team and a 9th or 10th place finish. He is basically doing that with his eyes closed.
The only reasons I could imagine are significantly more money at UK and if he has any competitive pride left or he senses the Bull's have a change of heart and make a change at GM that would send him packing. The Bulls are his last NBA job, so he may want to move before his value takes a further hit.
It takes forever to cycle guys out of the NBA. People keep hiring Doc Rivers
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This is well said. I think in a lot of careers, the juice to move “up” isn’t always worth the squeeze.
Hurley, as an example, has won back to back titles at UConn. Guy owns that program, will get rewarded nicely, and has it made there. Would going to Lexington for maybe an extra $1M be worth it, with everything you described that comes along with it? Heck no.
I just don’t think it’s worth it for guys like Hurley or Drew. Maybe if you’re chasing a title, Kentucky has its advantages but look at schools making Final 4’s the last decade. Good coaches can win at weird places. Winning can make good programs great.
Was Villanova a great program before Jay Wright? The answer is no, despite the title in ‘85. Wright could have taken that job when Calipari did. He had more success than Calipari and left a legend
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It takes forever to cycle guys out of the NBA. People keep hiring Doc Rivers
Mostly agree, but by any reasonable measure Doc has been way more successful.
The Bulls themselves were so embarrassed by his last extension they did not announce it to the public.
For the record, replacing Donovan will be little more that rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. As significant as signing a guy to a 10 day contract.
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I just don’t think it’s worth it for guys like Hurley or Drew. Maybe if you’re chasing a title, Kentucky has its advantages but look at schools making Final 4’s the last decade. Good coaches can win at weird places. Winning can make good programs great.
Was Villanova a great program before Jay Wright? The answer is no, despite the title in ‘85. Wright could have taken that job when Calipari did. He had more success than Calipari and left a legend
What I think it is currently about is resources. Once you reach a certain amount of resources to get the players, facilities, and fans you can win it all. Why would anyone trade in being on easy street for a job where you're under a microscope... and the expectations from the fan base is that they should always be in the final four. Who wants that pressure or job loss and expectations for more money. I guess someone would... but why give up a good thing.
A lot more schools are able to come up with the resources to be competitive. This ain't the 70s or even the 90s. CBB has changed and the fans unreasonable expectations haven't.
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What I think it is currently about is resources. Once you reach a certain amount of resources to get the players, facilities, and fans you can win it all. Why would anyone trade in being on easy street for a job where you're under a microscope... and the expectations from the fan base is that they should always be in the final four. Who wants that pressure or job loss and expectations for more money. I guess someone would... but why give up a good thing.
A lot more schools are able to come up with the resources to be competitive. This ain't the 70s or even the 90s. CBB has changed and the fans unreasonable expectations haven't.
That’s an excellent point as well. And if you keep winning at a Baylor, the facilities and resources will keep getting better, especially when the perceived big boys start sniffing around your coach.
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A couple of questions every coach should ask themselves
1. Am I getting paid enough?
2. Do I have enough resources to win?
3. Am I happy where I am?
If you can answer no to all three of these then you take the job. Otherwise you leverage the offer to increase pay and or resources. If that can't be fixed you move on to a new job.
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Pope your new UK coach.
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College of Cardinals has spoken. Send up the smoke.
I'll just take the W
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Imagine running John Calipari out of town for Mark Pope.
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Imagine running John Calipari out of town for Mark Pope.
They want someone with a proven postseason track record
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Wojo to BYU!
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Imagine running John Calipari out of town for Mark Pope.
They’re gonna go back to 90s UK where they’ll land a Mashburn or two and mix in with local Kentucky kids.
And they might even get out of the first round.
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Yikes, Trilly Donovan says the only other person who had interviewed with UK before they made this hire, other than who already gave them a flat out “no” was Shaka who had a zoom call interview..
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Imagine running John Calipari out of town for Mark Pope.
A blue blood hires a 50 year old coach who has never won an NCAA game in a decade of being a head coach and who spent only half of his college career in Lexington, as a role player at that. And has spent basically his entire coaching career out west. Its the kind of hire you'd expect for Vandy or UGA, not Kentucky.
Also, lot of chatter that, given his roommate at UK was Jeff Sheppard, part of his appeal was getting Reed Sheppard to stay another year. Even more embarrassing for a school like UK to place any emphasis on coach selection on the whim of a returning freshman.
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Yikes, Trilly Donovan says the only other person who had interviewed with UK before they made this hire, other than who already gave them a flat out “no” was Shaka who had a zoom call interview..
Where did you read that?
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Where did you read that?
On his Discord. Shaka and Sean Miller.
I'm not alarmed. It's Kentucky. You take the call.
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Could we get a screenshot from the enlightened ones?
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Could we get a screenshot from the enlightened ones?
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Agreed. That could be interpreted many ways, but I'll assume Shaka was the one who ended it at a zoom interview.
Can't imagine a better fit for him than Marquette.
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My goodness.
Just take the L.
I mean, I disagree with 99% of what Rocket says. But Drew planning on going there and changing his mind is feasible. Feels like a case of a guy getting judged by his past posts instead of his posts on this topic.
No idea either way, but it seems possible he had some info and communication on this and it just didn’t turn out the way he’d heard.
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My goodness.
Just take the L.
listen jagles, the job was his for the taking! why do you have to be such a d!ck about such a benign topic?? oh, i know why...grow up man!
for reasons i cannot disclose here, he actually turned them down at the last minute and decided to stay at baylor. i know for a fact his family was flown in to lexington via private jet yesterday. they made their decision overnight/this morning
thank you bm1090-you are absolutely correct
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
https://twitter.com/ML_BBN/status/1613572990179938304?t=DHSwSh9WEw03xlhTUphERA&s=19
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I’m old enough to remember UK fans mocking Louisville for hiring their third choice Pat Kelsey.
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If Drew turns them down, I predict that Kentucky turns into the College of Cardinals.
And chooses a Pope.
Nailed it
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Thank you!
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I mean, I disagree with 99% of what Rocket says. But Drew planning on going there and changing his mind is feasible. Feels like a case of a guy getting judged by his past posts instead of his posts on this topic.
No idea either way, but it seems possible he had some info and communication on this and it just didn’t turn out the way he’d heard.
The risk you take with sharing premature info as if it is going to happen is that you will look foolish if you are wrong. Has nothing to do with the poster.
Same thing happened with #donedeal. Deal was never done. Looked like it was going to be done so someone races to the internet to try to be first and get internet points. Ends up losing internet points instead.
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I’m old enough to remember UK fans mocking Louisville for hiring their third choice Pat Kelsey.
I wandered over to the Rupp Rafters forum last night and came away wondering if Lexington would be burned to the ground by morning.
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listen jagles, the job was his for the taking! why do you have to be such a d!ck about such a benign topic?? oh, i know why...grow up man!
for reasons i cannot disclose here, he actually turned them down at the last minute and decided to stay at baylor. i know for a fact his family was flown in to lexington via private jet yesterday. they made their decision overnight/this morning
thank you bm1090-you are absolutely correct
You just don’t know ball
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College of Cardinals has spoken. Send up the smoke.
I'll just take the W
Glad someone here knows ball
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College basketball is different now. There is enough money that coaches look at the Kentucky or Indiana jobs and decide to not mess with their happy. Pope is Kentucky's Wardle. The one who would never.say no to going home. All of the other people approached decided that what they had was fine and the blue Kentucky juice wasn't worth the squeeze.
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College basketball is different now. There is enough money that coaches look at the Kentucky or Indiana jobs and decide to not mess with their happy. Pope is Kentucky's Wardle. The one who would never.say no to going home. All of the other people approached decided that what they had was fine and the blue Kentucky juice wasn't worth the squeeze.
I think he’s a better coach than Wardle. His offenses are pretty to watch and if he gets elite shooters to KY, he can win with his offense. That’s something they’ve lacked lately under Cal, good shooters.
He’ll need to hire a Luke Yaklich type to coach defense, but I think he’s a good coach. Kentucky is a different animal, but he has a good idea of what to expect and I bet he embraces it. I’m bullish on this hire. Staff will matter. That’s the first test. If he puts together a solid staff, I think he’ll do well
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I think he can succeed also.
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College basketball is different now. There is enough money that coaches look at the Kentucky or Indiana jobs and decide to not mess with their happy. Pope is Kentucky's Wardle. The one who would never.say no to going home. All of the other people approached decided that what they had was fine and the blue Kentucky juice wasn't worth the squeeze.
Maybe there are a few things left in CBB that aren't all about the money, after all.
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They want someone with a proven postseason track record
hehehe
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The risk you take with sharing premature info as if it is going to happen is that you will look foolish if you are wrong. Has nothing to do with the poster.
Same thing happened with #donedeal. Deal was never done. Looked like it was going to be done so someone races to the internet to try to be first and get internet points. Ends up losing internet points instead.
once again, i never announced "donedeal" but you guys are always quick to dance on others apparent miscalculations. i stand by my prognostications as i know my sources here are ironclad i merely said scott was going to be offered. NEVER said he was going to take it as no one yet knew for sure. i can tell you this however-it was a group decision. if it were up to one person...
some of you out there-true character revealed-sad
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College basketball is different now. There is enough money that coaches look at the Kentucky or Indiana jobs and decide to not mess with their happy. Pope is Kentucky's Wardle. The one who would never.say no to going home. All of the other people approached decided that what they had was fine and the blue Kentucky juice wasn't worth the squeeze.
you are absolutely right on here tower! bingo!
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The thing about Pope is that there will be almost zero expectations. He has nowhere to go with the fan base but upwards.
Now, having said that, Kentucky's AD will not be having an easy couple of years.
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The thing about Pope is that there will be almost zero expectations. He has nowhere to go with the fan base but upwards.
Now, having said that, Kentucky's AD will not be having an easy couple of years.
one could almost call pope an "interim' coach??
who were cals assistants? they might have been just as worthy?
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The thing about Pope is that there will be almost zero expectations. He has nowhere to go with the fan base but upwards.
Now, having said that, Kentucky's AD will not be having an easy couple of years.
It's the opposite. They have huge expectations. The fanbase is going to compare him to John Calipari and are going to expect those results.
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It's the opposite. They have huge expectations. The fanbase is going to compare him to John Calipari and are going to expect those results.
There's a reason they were trying to run Cal out of town. He's had a bad run in the last five years.
Honestly, the hire will probably turn a lot of the rabid fans down a notch or two. They're going to have to come to terms with the reality that college basketball doesn't revolve around them anymore. This hiring humbled a lot of them already.
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There's a reason they were trying to run Cal out of town. He's had a bad run in the last five years.
Honestly, the hire will probably turn a lot of the rabid fans down a notch or two. They're going to have to come to terms with the reality that college basketball doesn't revolve around them anymore. This hiring humbled a lot of them already.
You might be on to something here hardy. If cal struggled somewhat with the talent he was bringing in year after year…? The one and dones regardless of how good they are, go through growing pains. And the never really gel as a team. Also, the parity of college basketball today, it’s not easy to win year in/out. Ask Matt painter, Bennett, Kryzewski et.al. Hell, ask Scott drew😉
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Maybe there are a few things left in CBB that aren't all about the money, after all.
Only because the money in Waco, Storrs, etc., is really big too.
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once again, i never announced "donedeal" but you guys are always quick to dance on others apparent miscalculations. i stand by my prognostications as i know my sources here are ironclad i merely said scott was going to be offered. NEVER said he was going to take it as no one yet knew for sure. i can tell you this however-it was a group decision. if it were up to one person...
some of you out there-true character revealed-sad
You just don’t know ball
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There's a reason they were trying to run Cal out of town. He's had a bad run in the last five years.
Honestly, the hire will probably turn a lot of the rabid fans down a notch or two. They're going to have to come to terms with the reality that college basketball doesn't revolve around them anymore. This hiring humbled a lot of them already.
True, but "humbling" at UK will probably work a little differently than most places. Pope will get a couple years worth of leash to prove they aren't the next Indiana. Not more, and certainly not, say...five. And there will be plenty of kicking and screaming along the way.
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True, but "humbling" at UK will probably work a little differently than most places. Pope will get a couple years worth of leash to prove they aren't the next Indiana. Not more, and certainly not, say...five. And there will be plenty of kicking and screaming along the way.
Oh, I totally agree. And then if they can Pope and there is no clear replacement they can expect another round of what they've experienced this off-season.
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The Kentucky faithful seem to be taking the news well.
https://twitter.com/__NotKG/status/1778598047305343222
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The Kentucky faithful seem to be taking the news well.
https://twitter.com/__NotKG/status/1778598047305343222
Oh? A peaceful protest?
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The Kentucky faithful seem to be taking the news well.
https://twitter.com/__NotKG/status/1778598047305343222
If they were serious they'd write letters.
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If they were serious they'd write letters.
I’ve been told that shows leadership
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There's a reason they were trying to run Cal out of town. He's had a bad run in the last five years.
Honestly, the hire will probably turn a lot of the rabid fans down a notch or two. They're going to have to come to terms with the reality that college basketball doesn't revolve around them anymore. This hiring humbled a lot of them already.
Personally knowing how Indiana fans still think they can pick and choose players and coaches, and the interactions I have with UK fans on a weekly basis, I don't think this is correct.
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There's a reason they were trying to run Cal out of town. He's had a bad run in the last five years.
There's also the matter of the Crafts.
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Personally knowing how Indiana fans still think they can pick and choose players and coaches, and the interactions I have with UK fans on a weekly basis, I don't think this is correct.
Delusional ones, yes, but every fan base has those.
IMO, at this point Indiana is no better a job than any other in the B1G. It's been over two decades since they've gotten to the Elite 8, and nearly FOUR decades since their last championship.
There are literal grandparents who have not seen Indiana basketball win a National Championship.
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I was on one of the UK twitter spaces last night - it was entertaining to say the least. In the first 10 minutes of the space they had already filled up Mitch Barnhart's voice mail box (AD). Multiple people called for riots and one even provided Mitch's home address. This has not humbled anyone. I would be worth a decent sum of cash if I had a dollar for every time I heard "Write X coach a blank check and they will line up and come, because we are Kentucky"
This is spot on from the fan base that dug up grass in coach Cal's lawn after they won the natty and sold the pieces of sod on craigslist; then turned around and put "Die coach Cal" signs after the 1st weekend exits.
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I was on one of the UK twitter spaces last night - it was entertaining to say the least. In the first 10 minutes of the space they had already filled up Mitch Barnhart's voice mail box (AD). Multiple people called for riots and one even provided Mitch's home address. This has not humbled anyone. I would be worth a decent sum of cash if I had a dollar for every time I heard "Write X coach a blank check and they will line up and come, because we are Kentucky"
This is spot on from the fan base that dug up grass in coach Cal's lawn after they won the natty and sold the pieces of sod on craigslist; then turned around and put "Die coach Cal" signs after the 1st weekend exits.
Yep, they're the delusional ones. Not the average fan. You think scoop can be a cesspool after a disappointing loss? Never go to Rupp's Rafters. You'll see true despair.
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I was on one of the UK twitter spaces last night - it was entertaining to say the least. In the first 10 minutes of the space they had already filled up Mitch Barnhart's voice mail box (AD). Multiple people called for riots and one even provided Mitch's home address. This has not humbled anyone. I would be worth a decent sum of cash if I had a dollar for every time I heard "Write X coach a blank check and they will line up and come, because we are Kentucky"
This is spot on from the fan base that dug up grass in coach Cal's lawn after they won the natty and sold the pieces of sod on craigslist; then turned around and put "Die coach Cal" signs after the 1st weekend exits.
Who wouldn't want to coach at Kentucky?
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once again, i never announced "donedeal" but you guys are always quick to dance on others apparent miscalculations. i stand by my prognostications as i know my sources here are ironclad i merely said scott was going to be offered. NEVER said he was going to take it as no one yet knew for sure. i can tell you this however-it was a group decision. if it were up to one person...
some of you out there-true character revealed-sad
True, you never said done deal. But you did post that the reason he turned down Louisville was because UK was going to offer him, implying that he was waiting for the UK job to open. Instead he turned down UK too, so it seems like he turned down Loiusville (and Kentucky) because he wants to stay at Baylor.
You made a call based on good info. It ended up not panning out, it happens. Youre going to take some lumps for that. It's not personal, it's what happens when someone misses a call on the internet
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Yep, they're the delusional ones. Not the average fan. You think scoop can be a cesspool after a disappointing loss? Never go to Rupp's Rafters. You'll see true despair.
Scoop is tame compared to 99% of all other power 5 fanbases. The hubris of those Kentucky fans last night was laughable.
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Their fans won't see it, but I think Kentucky are the winners here. Cal will go to Arkansas with all the fanfare he brings, the recruits, and the attention, but I don't think he'll win there at the level Pope will at Kentucky. Fans will cry all summer, then when the games actually start and they see his style of play, they'll get excited. Next year at this time, when they've projected as a top-10 team and Kentucky looks like a program back on the rise, they'll all be bought in.
Pope has exceeded kenpom projections 8/10 years as a head coach and BYU is a really tough place to win. Having 3 top-20 teams there in 5 years is fantastic. That's more top-20 kenpom teams than in the previous 23 years combined. He's a very good coach that has exceeded expectations at two very difficult jobs. I know UK fans aren't happy now, but in the long run, I think this one will prove to be a great hire.
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Sounds like Mark Pope's style is...well, exactly what Kentucky was this year.
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I bet you could sell separation of church and state tshirts to kentucky fans with a wall between Pope and UK logos.
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I doubt they will accept the Pope being infallible.
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Yep, they're the delusional ones. Not the average fan. You think scoop can be a cesspool after a disappointing loss? Never go to Rupp's Rafters. You'll see true despair.
Nah, they’re fine. Several years ago, I was banned from their site because I posted something laughing at them…..on a Marquette board. :o
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Oh? A peaceful protest?
Tourist visit
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This is awesome.
https://x.com/matt_mcgavic/status/1778524791437484133?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw
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Scoop is tame compared to 99% of all other power 5 fanbases. The hubris of those Kentucky fans last night was laughable.
This is true.
When I saw a person or two express how disappointed they were with Scoops reaction to the NCST loss, I thought to myself, they must live under a rock. I think Scoop was very civil and reasonable with a disappointing loss.
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You might be on to something here hardy. If cal struggled somewhat with the talent he was bringing in year after year…? The one and dones regardless of how good they are, go through growing pains. And the never really gel as a team. Also, the parity of college basketball today, it’s not easy to win year in/out. Ask Matt painter, Bennett, Kryzewski et.al. Hell, ask Scott drew😉
Can you ask Scott and get back to us?
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Can you ask Scott and get back to us?
why don't you go **** yourself
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True, you never said done deal. But you did post that the reason he turned down Louisville was because UK was going to offer him, implying that he was waiting for the UK job to open. Instead he turned down UK too, so it seems like he turned down Loiusville (and Kentucky) because he wants to stay at Baylor.
You made a call based on good info. It ended up not panning out, it happens. Youre going to take some lumps for that. It's not personal, it's what happens when someone misses a call on the internet
tamu-yes, but if i could elaborate which i cannot, all of you would see i was correct, but whatever...
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tamu-yes, but if i could elaborate which i cannot, all of you would see i was correct, but whatever...
Just admit it, you don’t know ball
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why don't you go **** yourself
You should try praying...you need Jesus. Christians don't speak like that. God bless you sir.
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tamu-yes, but if i could elaborate which i cannot, all of you would see i was correct, but whatever...
You're standing by your belief that he is going to Louisville (when the press had already noted he turned them down)...or the one that he turned down Louisville for Kentucky (when you previously said he was going to Louisville) ...or the one where he prayed about everything and stayed put?
Whoever your source is...they should let you know before the press correctly contradicts you...
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Look, I know rocket is by and large a big dope, but he isn't one to constantly claim insider information here. He clearly has some sort of connection to the Drews and was pretty close to being spot on with the UK stuff.
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tamu-yes, but if i could elaborate which i cannot, all of you would see i was correct, but whatever...
Almost as correct as your HCQ and Ivermectin calls. Any day now...
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Look, I know rocket is by and large a big dope, but he isn't one to constantly claim insider information here. He clearly has some sort of connection to the Drews and was pretty close to being spot on with the UK stuff.
He read Twitter.
Literally everyone was reporting Drew was offered the Louisville job. And you don’t even need reporters to report that. They ended up with Pat Kelsey. They’re one of the biggest brands in college basketball. They shot for bigger names than him.
Then everyone reported Kentucky offered Drew their job…after Oats and Hurley publicly turned them down. Then Drew literally sent out a public statement, and Roquet shared it like he was Herman on Grimes’s visit, only with Drew in Lexington.
Just because I read that Shaka had a Zoom interview with Kentucky doesn’t mean I’m texting with Shaka every night. It’s well known.
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He read Twitter.
Literally everyone was reporting Drew was offered the Louisville job. And you don’t even need reporters to report that. They ended up with Pat Kelsey. They’re one of the biggest brands in college basketball. They shot for bigger names than him.
Then everyone reported Kentucky offered Drew their job…after Oats and Hurley publicly turned them down. Then Drew literally sent out a public statement, and Roquet shared it like he was Herman on Grimes’s visit, only with Drew in Lexington.
Just because I read that Shaka had a Zoom interview with Kentucky doesn’t mean I’m texting with Shaka every night. It’s well known.
Fluffy is right. Rocket is not one to ever claim insider information. He did here, and was very confident on it. He also is strangely defensive about Drew.
He probably did have some insight, turned out to be wrong, but that doesn't mean he didn't have some insider info.
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He read Twitter.
Literally everyone was reporting Drew was offered the Louisville job. And you don’t even need reporters to report that. They ended up with Pat Kelsey. They’re one of the biggest brands in college basketball. They shot for bigger names than him.
Then everyone reported Kentucky offered Drew their job…after Oats and Hurley publicly turned them down. Then Drew literally sent out a public statement, and Roquet shared it like he was Herman on Grimes’s visit, only with Drew in Lexington.
Just because I read that Shaka had a Zoom interview with Kentucky doesn’t mean I’m texting with Shaka every night. It’s well known.
I give up…you guys win, have a good one
btw, the smart ones here can push aside the partisan divide for a moment and ding ding ding - thank you!
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Fluffy is right. Rocket is not one to ever claim insider information. He did here, and was very confident on it. He also is strangely defensive about Drew.
He probably did have some insight, turned out to be wrong, but that doesn't mean he didn't have some insider info.
Some people would call that fake news
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For what it's worth, Scott Drew's high school best friend is a dentist. And his best friend's son was going to Marquette to be a dentist (I forget how old his son is now).
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For what it's worth, Scott Drew's high school best friend is a dentist. And his best friend's son was going to Marquette to be a dentist (I forget how old his son is now).
#ScottDrew2MU and #ShakabacktoTexasbutnowtoBaylor
#donedeal
As we all know, MU needs a bball coach with dental connections. We've seen nothing, nothing, of that from Shaka. Time to move on, and a swap seems fair.
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#ScottDrew2MU and #ShakabacktoTexasbutnowtoBaylor
#donedeal
As we all know, MU needs a bball coach with dental connections. We've seen nothing, nothing, of that from Shaka. Time to move on, and a swap seems fair.
too much crime in Milwaukee for this to happen
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#ScottDrew2MU and #ShakabacktoTexasbutnowtoBaylor
#donedeal
As we all know, MU needs a bball coach with dental connections. We've seen nothing, nothing, of that from Shaka. Time to move on, and a swap seems fair.
He must have dental connections. He has a nice toothy smile
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Look, I know rocket is by and large a big dope, but he isn't one to constantly claim insider information here. He clearly has some sort of connection to the Drews and was pretty close to being spot on with the UK stuff.
what’s up with the personal stuff? …and from behind a keyboard, no less.
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Irony
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what’s up with the personal stuff? …and from behind a keyboard, no less.
Huh.
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For what it's worth, Scott Drew's high school best friend is a dentist. And his best friend's son was going to Marquette to be a dentist (I forget how old his son is now).
Now I know why he’s such a dirty coach
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Irony
not really. I never go personal. Robust debate? Yes.
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Huh.
it needs to be explained? You’ll belittle someone and aren’t aware of it? Seems odd.
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For what it's worth, Scott Drew's high school best friend is a dentist. And his best friend's son was going to Marquette to be a dentist (I forget how old his son is now).
Most of this board are anti-dentites.
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Dentists and meat eaters, the bane of Marquette basketball. Drew would have been crazy to leave Baylor for KY. He has proven he can win in Waco and community loves him. Same reason Mark Few never left the ‘kane.
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Dentists and meat eaters, the bane of Marquette basketball. Drew would have been crazy to leave Baylor for KY. He has proven he can win in Waco and community loves him. Same reason Mark Few never left the ‘kane.
Agreed...coaches aren't moving like they used to. I don't blame Drew...but KY has to be a little tempting...
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...but KY has to be a little tempting...
Depends what you want it for.
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once again, i never announced "donedeal" but you guys are always quick to dance on others apparent miscalculations. i stand by my prognostications as i know my sources here are ironclad i merely said scott was going to be offered. NEVER said he was going to take it as no one yet knew for sure. i can tell you this however-it was a group decision. if it were up to one person...
some of you out there-true character revealed-sad
Here is a tip on revealing insider info, sign up for a new account as "Jimmy John's Cashier" and the Scoop Inteligencia will believe everything. Go by a standing screen name, and the doubters come out. It is the reason many inside posters stopped sharing on Scoop or (as in the Women's Coaching info) create new overnight screen names.
For the rest of those who share, try Scoop Obfuscation. On the thread recently on who returns next year, specifically Tyler, I had info, now confirmed by three better sources, that MU offered Tyler a very competitive NIL offer to return. And as of early this week, it was thought he'd might take it or at least declare to return. Tyler and his parents (rightly) decided otherwise.
However, by answering "maybe" in that thread, the Scoop Keyboard Karen's jumped in. It is what it is. Posting direct or indirect info doesn't pay.
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Posting direct or indirect info doesn't pay.
Is it really info if it's wrong? :)
Also, don't expect your next direct deposit.
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Here is a tip on revealing insider info, sign up for a new account as "Jimmy John's Cashier" and the Scoop Inteligencia will believe everything. Go by a standing screen name, and the doubters come out. It is the reason many inside posters stopped sharing on Scoop or (as in the Women's Coaching info) create new overnight screen names.
For the rest of those who share, try Scoop Obfuscation. On the thread recently on who returns next year, specifically Tyler, I had info, now confirmed by three better sources, that MU offered Tyler a very competitive NIL offer to return. And as of early this week, it was thought he'd might take it or at least declare to return. Tyler and his parents (rightly) decided otherwise.
However, by answering "maybe" in that thread, the Scoop Keyboard Karen's jumped in. It is what it is. Posting direct or indirect info doesn't pay.
Keyboard Karen's. I like it. And there are a goodly number here including the notorious Reeker and Satan. Both love counting their posts because they believe themselves Scoop Savants
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it needs to be explained? You’ll belittle someone and aren’t aware of it? Seems odd.
Did I ask a question?
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Keyboard Karen's.
lol…
You don't have a clue about that.
And you are wrong as usual. I just proved your BS statement wrong and now you digress to denigrating when you do not know me. Guess you go to the ignore button.
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Is it really info if it's wrong? :)
Also, don't expect your next direct deposit.
Or maybe it's right in the moment like in this case? I have no clue in this instance as to the poster but there were plenty of other sources around the rumors in the socials on this topic. Rocket seemed to have some specific info to add that Scoopers went off on. I guess even you? Why not delete it then?
I mean folks here think Trilly is so great with his intel when in fact his sources are penny stock "pump and dump" agents. Thus, his track record of being right is marginal at best.
Point is, Scoop has a habit and history of running off sources. The reality is, posters here know bits and pieces. The forum discussion should be around connecting these versus tearing down. My favorite example is I have had the Scoop debunkers question info I posted here that just literally came out of Broeker's mouth. Scoop is a funny place.
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Or maybe it's right in the moment like in this case? I have no clue in this instance as to the poster but there were plenty of other sources around the rumors in the socials on this topic. Rocket seemed to have some specific info to add that Scoopers went off on. I guess even you? Why not delete it then?
I mean folks here think Trilly is so great with his intel when in fact his sources are penny stock "pump and dump" agents. Thus, his track record of being right is marginal at best.
Point is, Scoop has a habit and history of running off sources. The reality is, posters here know bits and pieces. The forum discussion should be around connecting these versus tearing down. My favorite example is I have had the Scoop debunkers question info I posted here that just literally came out of Broeker's mouth. Scoop is a funny place.
Herm runs off sources. We’re just mocking the dentists for spreading fake news
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Scoopers went off on. I guess even you? Why not delete it then?
You know I don't delete much of anything, that's a ridiculous solution. I also, don't think I've commented much on anybody's "info", good or bad. However, I did follow rockets posts chronologically in this thread, I did find them pretty amusing, if you're asking.
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You know I don't delete much of anything, that's a ridiculous solution. I also, don't think I've commented much on anybody's "info", good or bad. However, I did follow rockets posts chronologically in this thread, I did find them pretty amusing, if you're asking.
I decided to do a similar chronological read. My conclusion: I don’t know that I love anyone outside my family and friends circle as much as Rocket loves Scott Drew.
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/U4jecvTn5pTbw7ahKt/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952hmr8p2spmpme8hdjgyx7ejjp7squubi6gmg7849g&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g)
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Y’all are totally ruining this thread about transgender athletes.
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You know I don't delete much of anything, that's a ridiculous solution. I also, don't think I've commented much on anybody's "info", good or bad. However, I did follow rockets posts chronologically in this thread, I did find them pretty amusing, if you're asking.
From someone who has Rocket (and a slew of others) on political ignore: Less skiing, more moderating.
I am sure you'll do the opposite. But, the political stuff on the basketball threads is unbearable.
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Here is a tip on revealing insider info, sign up for a new account as "Jimmy John's Cashier" and the Scoop Inteligencia will believe everything. Go by a standing screen name, and the doubters come out. It is the reason many inside posters stopped sharing on Scoop or (as in the Women's Coaching info) create new overnight screen names.
For the rest of those who share, try Scoop Obfuscation. On the thread recently on who returns next year, specifically Tyler, I had info, now confirmed by three better sources, that MU offered Tyler a very competitive NIL offer to return. And as of early this week, it was thought he'd might take it or at least declare to return. Tyler and his parents (rightly) decided otherwise.
However, by answering "maybe" in that thread, the Scoop Keyboard Karen's jumped in. It is what it is. Posting direct or indirect info doesn't pay.
now you tell me?!? LOL
great info-thanks doc! this belongs in the "welcome handout" to all new scoopers before the enter at their own peril
hint-when the mod cheers on to what the rest of the gumps here espouse, time to go home
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From someone who has Rocket (and a slew of others) on political ignore: Less skiing, more moderating.
I am sure you'll do the opposite. But, the political stuff on the basketball threads is unbearable.
Common sense dictates that backing down on such an important and relevant platform as the MUScoop Men's College Basketball 2024 Coaching Carousel thread is a slippery slope. There is no more significant battle ground for these issues to fought over. ::)
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now you tell me?!? LOL
great info-thanks doc! this belongs in the "welcome handout" to all new scoopers before the enter at their own peril
hint-when the mod cheers on to what the rest of the gumps here espouse, time to go home
You cry a lot. Dish it but can't take it...
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From someone who has Rocket (and a slew of others) on political ignore: Less skiing, more moderating.
I am sure you'll do the opposite. But, the political stuff on the basketball threads is unbearable.
Well said Doc.
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Common sense dictates that backing down on such an important and relevant platform as the MUScoop Men's College Basketball 2024 Coaching Carousel thread is a slippery slope. There is no more significant battle ground for these issues to fought over. ::)
Interesting you pick on my comment to call me out in this cesspool stew of Board Violations. Political, personal, off topic. With that, I'm out!
Good luck Scoop
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Interesting you pick on my comment to call me out in this cesspool stew of Board Violations. Political, personal, off topic. With that, I'm out!
Good luck Scoop
Actually, had your back. I didn't make it clear. Should have used teal. This was my third appeal to get back to the topic at hand as the coaching changes are significant to college hoops.
Some of the topics are valid........ for another venue.
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now you tell me?!? LOL
great info-thanks doc! this belongs in the "welcome handout" to all new scoopers before the enter at their own peril
hint-when the mod cheers on to what the rest of the gumps here espouse, time to go home
How many times have you said that, but stayed here posting? If you really feel as victimized as you claim you do, just do what you keep saying you'll do.
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Interesting you pick on my comment to call me out in this cesspool stew of Board Violations. Political, personal, off topic. With that, I'm out!
Good luck Scoop
It's so funny when people feel the need to announce they are leaving this place...
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Three of the historic blue bloods have hired coaches in the last few years.
Mick Cronin.
Mike Woodson.
Mark Pope.
Villanova? Ohio State?
MU was very fortunate.
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Interesting you pick on my comment to call me out in this cesspool stew of Board Violations. Political, personal, off topic. With that, I'm out!
Good luck Scoop
Doc
I understand your frustration but as someone who values both your information and your opinions I sincerely hope you change your mind. Scoop would be very much diminished without your postings.
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Doc
I understand your frustration but as someone who values both your information and your opinions I sincerely hope you change your mind. Scoop would be very much diminished without your postings.
I agree with this analysis.
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I agree with this analysis.
Also agree.
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Is this finally the offseason a group of our Bravest and Boldest posters declare independence from the Scoop?
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Dr. B
As you know, you are one of my favorite scoopers and I hope you reconsider your decision. If I did not love MU basketball so much I would have signed off of this site a long time ago. Excessive political BS is over the top, but the personal attacks is a bigger joke.
It is a joke that you cannot share information or opinions without being attacked. The mods of allowed it and in some cases encouraged it.
Why anyone would openly want someone that shared info to be wrong is beyond belief to me.
There is no doubt that Rocket knew his stuff and I was happy he shared it. Unfortunately, it probably is another example of why info should not shared on here.
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Well i hope information continues to be shared on here. The vast majority of scoopers come to this site for information and for some congenial basketball talk. Dr. B I enjoy your posts and hope you are a contributor here for a long time.
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I see we’ve reached the “Scoop is poorly moderated and I’m never coming back” part of the off season. Followed by the same people complaining.
Yet they’re still all here.
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Fluff
Dr. B is hardly one for drama. He is not one to rock the boat and does not suffer fools on here. At some point in your life I would have thought you would have learned to know your audience.
Seeing that Dr. B is voicing his opinions I would think would carry some weight to you. He is one of best on here and his post should have everyone on scoop looking in the mirror. Sadly, I do not think you feel the need to look in the mirror because you are better and smarter than everyone else on here.
We lost Ziggy as a scooper months ago and would hate to see another great scooper fade away.
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Yes. Whatever will we do without Ziggy. ::)
Anyway, whether or not Dr. B leaves or stays isn't my point. He seems like a fine poster, but plenty of fine posters have come and gone from this place. It's the need to make a public showing of it, have people such as yourself hand-wring over it, but ultimately it doesn't matter. Scoop goes on until the mods are done with it. And this has been going on for years. Remember Chicos' public letter to Scoop claiming he represented a substantial portion of Scoop posters who were going to head elsewhere? That still makes my laugh.
Anyway, having been involved in message boards and the like going back to the wild-west days of usenet in the early 90s, people tire of the forum and move on. It happens. New people replace the old. Sometime those who left will return. Sometimes they won't and will live in the lore of the message board til their memory becomes but a flicker.
And I am self-reflective enough to know that when I leave the board, no one will really care. Like the majority here who one day just stop posting, it will be done quietly and without any need to put on a show.
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Now would be an excellent time for the new message board we were promised by the letter writers
Anyway, Scott Drew is a cheater and Huggy Bear is a drunk
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Hey Fluff
I think you miss a couple of key points, message boards have evolved over the years and we are a Marquette community on here. A large % of share a bond of attended MU and the non alums have a love of MU basketball. You can chose to look at scoop in any fashion you chose to, but I look at differently.
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Now would be an excellent time for the new message board we were promised by the letter writers
The fact that Chicos went through the process of writing a letter, starting up mupoop, putting a good six months of work into it before it sputtered out, where his hottest take was that the hiring of Shaka was a bad idea, and now only uses the Twitter account to echo Winger tweets, is objectively funny in so many ways.
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Hey Fluff
I think you miss a couple of key points, message boards have evolved over the years and we are a Marquette community on here. A large % of share a bond of attended MU and the non alums have a love of MU basketball. You can chose to look at scoop in any fashion you chose to, but I look at differently.
That's my point. My enjoyment of Scoop has nothing to do with how you choose to look at it.
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The fact that Chicos went through the process of writing a letter, starting up mupoop, putting a good six months of work into it before it sputtered out, where his hottest take was that the hiring of Shaka was a bad idea, and now only uses the Twitter account to echo Winger tweets, is objectively funny in so many ways.
This whole thread has gotten funnier by the day. Roqqquet tells us Scott Drew has been contacted by Louisville and they want him. Ok, not insider info. It’s all over the place. We’re skeptical he’ll take the job but it’s entirely possible we’re the ones wrong. He continues to tell us it’s a serious possibility. Were told a bunch of scoopers will look dumb for being skeptical. Drew says he’s not leaving but days after, Roqqquet still says it’s a possibility despite insiders saying it’s not. Pat Kelsey gets the gig.
Cal leaves Kentucky and roqqquet tells us that’s why he didn’t take the Louisville job. All the insiders of college ball point out Mitch Barnhart’s connection to Drew and tell us he’s a candidate. 4elder says “done deal” and Kentucky might be his second new favorite team. No one disputes their claims because the media says it’s a real possibility, both the national media and local KY media.
Drew doesn’t take the gig and they hire Mark Pope. The whole Scott Drew insider stuff is hilarious. The story kept changing from roqqquet, 4elder called it a done deal and the problem is the people laughing at the whole thing.
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And I am self-reflective enough to know that when I leave the board, no one will really care. Like the majority here who one day just stop posting, it will be done quietly and without any need to put on a show.
You’re wrong. People will care. They’ll be dancing in the streets.
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Nah. The tribe would just have to find a new target to doxx and blame.
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You’re wrong. People will care. They’ll be dancing in the streets.
A Scoop Irish wake. I’m here for it.
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Also, if someone posts “insider info” that isn’t a regular poster, just DM them and ask questions. Multiple regular/semi-regular posters will post something that they won’t elaborate on a public message board or something cryptic. Reach out to them. They’ll either share it with you or expand on what they posted.
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BYU has a limited pool of candidates
https://www.ksl.com/article/50979414/in-basketball-coaching-search-byu-will-need-to-do-something-uncomfortable-move-quickly
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You’re wrong. People will care. They’ll be dancing in the streets.
Dancing in the streets, shouting from the mountain, celebrate, dance to the music. A mixture of Martha and the Vandalls, Mahalia Jackson, and Three Dog Night. Nothing wrong with sharing info or objective opinion. To quote the famous Rodney King "Can't we all get along" or from the all time Buddy Miles classic of the early 70s We Got to Live Together.
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That's my point. My enjoyment of Scoop has nothing to do with how you choose to look at it.
however, you would be at the top of the list of posters on Scoop that give others a reason to cease. You reply to EVERYTHING. It’s like you can’t resist. And it’s a big reason why I wanted to connect with you over a beer. You the hell are you? The other thing…you often have to include a put-down in your post. You and Rico. What’s up with that? Seriously , what’s up? And there are others. But you are in the lead as pain in ass champ. Debate on a topic is fine, of course. But the ‘I’m right and you’re an idiot’ approach of so many is boring. Lastly, what gets me is we are all HUGE followers of Marquette basketball. Most of us are alums and many are even classmates or at least overlapped. Yet, at times it’s akin to Auburn-Alabama hate on here. Hate toward Wisconsin? Yes please. Hate toward fellow Warriors, er Eagles? Gets old.
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BYU has a limited pool of candidates
https://www.ksl.com/article/50979414/in-basketball-coaching-search-byu-will-need-to-do-something-uncomfortable-move-quickly
There is a coach with P6 and NCAAT experience in their backyard.
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Viper
You wanted to connect with Fluff for a beer?
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It's good to see Scoop has denigrated to mid summer form already.
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It's good to see Scoop has denigrated to mid summer form already.
That’s the Shaka difference
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It's good to see Scoop has denigrated to mid summer form already.
Hopefully the players workouts are similarly ahead of schedule!
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I think it’s clear some people care about what happens on Scoop a lot more than me.
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There is a coach with P6 and NCAAT experience in their backyard.
Very telling, hey?
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How many times have you said that, but stayed here posting? If you really feel as victimized as you claim you do, just do what you keep saying you'll do.
said what? "time to go home"? all the smoke from those mostly peaceful protests got ya a little confused
since when is bitching about someone here trying to twist others viewpoints or misrepresenting them completely begging to be a victim?
how many times have i said that? you tell me...i don't believe i've ever said i was leaving. you may have wished, but all the more reason to stay to remind you of the racist you are.
when i leave, it will be un announced. i have taken many a sabbatical from this site due to time constraints and for peace of mind. when i'm in the mood to take the chit, put up with reeeekos trolling... i open hell's doors
doc B-hope you reconsider!!
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From someone who has Rocket (and a slew of others) on political ignore: Less skiing, more moderating.
I am sure you'll do the opposite. But, the political stuff on the basketball threads is unbearable.
I know people are calling it "spring" already, but I'm still planning on skiing at least 3 more days this year (including tomorrow). Cheers Dr B!.
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After consulting with my family, coaches and representatives, and after much prayer, I've decided I will be returning to Scoop for another season.
#unfinishedbusiness
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After consulting with my family, coaches and representatives, and after much prayer, I've decided I will be returning to Scoop for another season.
#unfinishedbusiness
Lol this is awesome.
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After consulting with my family, coaches and representatives, and after much prayer, I've decided I will be returning to Scoop for another season.
#unfinishedbusiness
MuPoop bag wasn’t good enough, huh?
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I think many have forgotten the first rule of Scoop.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=3.0 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=3.0)
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Viper
You wanted to connect with Fluff for a beer?
I inquired. Like the hottie chick from O’Donnell back in ‘86, Sult said no 😂
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Hey Fluff
I think you miss a couple of key points, message boards have evolved over the years and we are a Marquette community on here. A large % of share a bond of attended MU and the non alums have a love of MU basketball. You can chose to look at scoop in any fashion you chose to, but I look at differently.
Goose, I agree.
It's one of the reasons, that if I knew I was in town/near some of the scoopers, I would love to grab a beer with them.
Even the ones I often disagree with. I'd love to grab a beer with Rocket (even though we often disagree, because I'd like to hear his life story; I recognize that Rocket the person is likely very different than Rocket the poster), I know you and I have disagreed on things, but similarly, know I could learn a lot from your different experiences. I regret not getting a chance to grab a beer/dinner with Keefe once (my schedule was busier than expected), and I'm pretty sure he offered to connect me with some possibly useful contacts...even though we typically disagreed.
I realize a message board has its ecosystem, where some will get roasted at times (I still like to lean into my takes on Lebron), but sometimes it gets out of hand, and I'm sure that is what Dr. B is referencing. In particular, the attacks in this thread on jutaw22, were over the top. There are ways to disagree with someone with data/facts, if you disagree, without getting personal.
That said, after careful consideration, due to the fact that as you say we are all hear because of a shared love for MU, I will bring my lack of posting acumen back to MUScoop for another year.
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Goose, I agree.
It's one of the reasons, that if I knew I was in town/near some of the scoopers, I would love to grab a beer with them.
Even the ones I often disagree with. I'd love to grab a beer with Rocket (even though we often disagree, because I'd like to hear his life story; I recognize that Rocket the person is likely very different than Rocket the poster), I know you and I have disagreed on things, but similarly, know I could learn a lot from your different experiences. I regret not getting a chance to grab a beer/dinner with Keefe once (my schedule was busier than expected), and I'm pretty sure he offered to connect me with some possibly useful contacts...even though we typically disagreed.
I realize a message board has its ecosystem, where some will get roasted at times (I still like to lean into my takes on Lebron), but sometimes it gets out of hand, and I'm sure that is what Dr. B is referencing. In particular, the attacks in this thread on jutaw22, were over the top. There are ways to disagree with someone with data/facts, if you disagree, without getting personal.
That said, after careful consideration, due to the fact that as you say we are all hear because of a shared love for MU, I will bring my lack of posting acumen back to MUScoop for another year.
Brilliant.
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Anyone in the MKE area that would like to grab a beer and talk MU hoops, or hack on the Walmart Badgers, let’s do it. Maybe a mid-summer status of the roster 🍻 summit.
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All I've learned from this is that a lot of yall care way too much about what anonymous internet dorks think of you.
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All I've learned from this is that a lot of yall care way too much about what anonymous internet dorks think of you.
Yep. 1,000 times yep.
JFC people if you can’t handle the way someone posts, put them on ignore. It’s not hard.
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MuPoop bag wasn’t good enough, huh?
Poop's got Burger King.
Scoop's got Arby's.
Easy choice.
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Goose, I agree.
It's one of the reasons, that if I knew I was in town/near some of the scoopers, I would love to grab a beer with them.
Even the ones I often disagree with. I'd love to grab a beer with Rocket (even though we often disagree, because I'd like to hear his life story; I recognize that Rocket the person is likely very different than Rocket the poster), I know you and I have disagreed on things, but similarly, know I could learn a lot from your different experiences. I regret not getting a chance to grab a beer/dinner with Keefe once (my schedule was busier than expected), and I'm pretty sure he offered to connect me with some possibly useful contacts...even though we typically disagreed.
I realize a message board has its ecosystem, where some will get roasted at times (I still like to lean into my takes on Lebron), but sometimes it gets out of hand, and I'm sure that is what Dr. B is referencing. In particular, the attacks in this thread on jutaw22, were over the top. There are ways to disagree with someone with data/facts, if you disagree, without getting personal.
That said, after careful consideration, due to the fact that as you say we are all hear because of a shared love for MU, I will bring my lack of posting acumen back to MUScoop for another year.
Outstanding post
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BYU has a limited pool of candidates
https://www.ksl.com/article/50979414/in-basketball-coaching-search-byu-will-need-to-do-something-uncomfortable-move-quickly
This seems like a perfect fit for Wojo.
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This seems like a perfect fit for Wojo.
Perfect fit for Wojo. Nightmare fit for BYU.
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Jimmer Fredette time.
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Interesting you pick on my comment to call me out in this cesspool stew of Board Violations. Political, personal, off topic. With that, I'm out!
Good luck Scoop
Good luck Scoop? Ah yeah. I forgot how much you held this place together. I give it 36 hours before it implodes. ::)
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I know there are many candidates, so I won't call this thread the most Scoopy ever. Hell, it's probably not even close to that. But it's nonetheless so damn Scoopy.
Anyhoo, I value Dr. B's takes, even those I might not entirely agree with, so I hope he sticks around. But if not, not. That's the choice we all have.
And sure, I'd have a beer or 3 with any of y'all. I've already quaffed with several Scoopers, including those at opposite ends of our little universe, such as tower and keefe. (Not to mention JakeBarnes, reinko, Silkk the Shaka, lurch91 and probably a few I've forgotten to mention - if so, sorry.) It's fun, and sometimes instructive, to get together as grown-ups (or whatever we all are here).
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Yes. Whatever will we do without Ziggy. ::)
Anyway, whether or not Dr. B leaves or stays isn't my point. He seems like a fine poster, but plenty of fine posters have come and gone from this place. It's the need to make a public showing of it, have people such as yourself hand-wring over it, but ultimately it doesn't matter. Scoop goes on until the mods are done with it. And this has been going on for years. Remember Chicos' public letter to Scoop claiming he represented a substantial portion of Scoop posters who were going to head elsewhere? That still makes my laugh.
Anyway, having been involved in message boards and the like going back to the wild-west days of usenet in the early 90s, people tire of the forum and move on. It happens. New people replace the old. Sometime those who left will return. Sometimes they won't and will live in the lore of the message board til their memory becomes but a flicker.
And I am self-reflective enough to know that when I leave the board, no one will really care. Like the majority here who one day just stop posting, it will be done quietly and without any need to put on a show.
Self reflective?
Good lord, you are an idiot.
Period.
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Self reflective?
Good lord, you are an idiot.
Period.
😂😂😂
You are so damn funny. Unintentionally so, but funny nevertheless.
Oh and...."Huh."
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Rent free
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Rent free
😂😂😂 Who replied to who?
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Posters who know when to just let something go or don't do the following are most valued here. Hope Dr. B sticks around.
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Goose, I agree.
It's one of the reasons, that if I knew I was in town/near some of the scoopers, I would love to grab a beer with them.
Even the ones I often disagree with. I'd love to grab a beer with Rocket (even though we often disagree, because I'd like to hear his life story; I recognize that Rocket the person is likely very different than Rocket the poster), I know you and I have disagreed on things, but similarly, know I could learn a lot from your different experiences. I regret not getting a chance to grab a beer/dinner with Keefe once (my schedule was busier than expected), and I'm pretty sure he offered to connect me with some possibly useful contacts...even though we typically disagreed.
I realize a message board has its ecosystem, where some will get roasted at times (I still like to lean into my takes on Lebron), but sometimes it gets out of hand, and I'm sure that is what Dr. B is referencing. In particular, the attacks in this thread on jutaw22, were over the top. There are ways to disagree with someone with data/facts, if you disagree, without getting personal.
That said, after careful consideration, due to the fact that as you say we are all hear because of a shared love for MU, I will bring my lack of posting acumen back to MUScoop for another year.
Hey! Thanks forget! I know I’d truly enjoy an ice cold beverage with you as well. With your science background that I believe you have, I think we’d rock and roll forgetting(no pun) about our political leanings. science is a great non contact sport
Cheers! 👍
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😂😂😂 Who replied to who?
Whom, you moron. Who replied to whom.
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Meeting Dr. Blackheart was awesome. I hope he returns when he is ready.
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Goose, I agree.
It's one of the reasons, that if I knew I was in town/near some of the scoopers, I would love to grab a beer with them.
Even the ones I often disagree with. I'd love to grab a beer with Rocket (even though we often disagree, because I'd like to hear his life story; I recognize that Rocket the person is likely very different than Rocket the poster), I know you and I have disagreed on things, but similarly, know I could learn a lot from your different experiences. I regret not getting a chance to grab a beer/dinner with Keefe once (my schedule was busier than expected), and I'm pretty sure he offered to connect me with some possibly useful contacts...even though we typically disagreed.
I realize a message board has its ecosystem, where some will get roasted at times (I still like to lean into my takes on Lebron), but sometimes it gets out of hand, and I'm sure that is what Dr. B is referencing. In particular, the attacks in this thread on jutaw22, were over the top. There are ways to disagree with someone with data/facts, if you disagree, without getting personal.
That said, after careful consideration, due to the fact that as you say we are all hear because of a shared love for MU, I will bring my lack of posting acumen back to MUScoop for another year.
Forgetful
I agree with you on some things and disagree on others but I always look forward to reading your opinions. You’ve even changed my perspective at times. I can honestly say that about all but a handful of posters.
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Lenny and I used to go at it all the time on scoop and he is pretty much the same persuasion as I am. Met a couple of times, golfed and now I’d name my next kid after him…except there aint gonna be anymore little rockets so I’ll have to settle for my next gold fish or macaw being named Lenny 🤷🏼♂️
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Rocket
I know we have talked about it, but still surprised that you and Lenny used to bump heads.
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Rocket
I know we have talked about it, but still surprised that you and Lenny used to bump heads.
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Rocket
I know we have talked about it, but still surprised that you and Lenny used to bump heads.
Goose
I don’t have litmus tests for friends. Neither do you, Rocket or most other folks here. Once you get to know someone differences of opinion take a (way) back seat to friendship.
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Will BYU only look at coaching candidates that are LDS? Bold, but limiting.
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Will BYU only look at coaching candidates that are LDS? Bold, but limiting.
Pretty sure that's par for the course these days with them. Just looking back, it's been decades since they haven't hired an LDS coach for either their football or basketball programs.
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Pretty sure that's par for the course these days with them. Just looking back, it's been decades since they haven't hired an LDS coach for either their football or basketball programs.
Its also part of the reason they don't cycle through coaches as well, IMO. This will be only their 4th BB coach in 25 years and Sitake is their 4th FB coach...since 1972.
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Meeting Dr. Blackheart was awesome. I hope he returns when he is ready.
Dr. Blackheart is one of the most knowledgeable and caring Marquette basketball fans I know. His love for our university and our program is unsurpassed.
Besides that, Doc and his wife are two of the nicest and caring people I know. Really great people and a joy to be around.
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Its also part of the reason they don't cycle through coaches as well, IMO. This will be only their 4th BB coach in 25 years and Sitake is their 4th FB coach...since 1972.
And LaVell Edwards was not LDS was he was hired I believe. I think he converted pretty late in his career.
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Lenny
Some of my oldest and best friends have vastly different views on life, activities and hobbies. Even with the different viewpoints we have remained friends for 50+ years. I will add, that aside from several that have taken the cure, they all do enjoy a cocktail. Life would be boring if my friends did not have different beliefs or views on life.
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Lenny
Some of my oldest and best friends have vastly different views on life, activities and hobbies. Even with the different viewpoints we have remained friends for 50+ years. I will add, that aside from several that have taken the cure, they all do enjoy a cocktail. Life would be boring if I my friends did not have beliefs or views on life.
Same here. That’s why I laugh when someone calls a political party they aren’t a part of, the greatest threat to America
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Lenny
Some of my oldest and best friends have vastly different views on life, activities and hobbies. Even with the different viewpoints we have remained friends for 50+ years. I will add, that aside from several that have taken the cure, they all do enjoy a cocktail. Life would be boring if my friends did not have different beliefs or views on life.
“We walk the same path, but got on different shoes…
Live in the same building, but we got different views…”
Lil’ Weezy
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Same here. That’s why I laugh when someone calls a political party they aren’t a part of, the greatest threat to America
Seriously, I'm down with John Fetterman. Maybe all democrats should have a stroke and undergo therapy, hey?
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Seriously, I'm down with John Fetterman. Maybe all democrats should have a stroke and undergo therapy, hey?
Imaging sitting in front of a computer or iPhone composing this and thinking it was humorous and/or creative then deciding to hit send…
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Seriously, I'm down with John Fetterman. Maybe all democrats should have a stroke and undergo therapy, hey?
Done deal
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Seriously, I'm down with John Fetterman. Maybe all democrats should have a stroke and undergo therapy, hey?
poor guy forgot what club he's in, but actually kinda refreshing to see an independent thinker
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poor guy forgot what club he's in, but actually kinda refreshing to see an independent thinker
You think he cheats as much as Scott Drew?
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poor guy forgot what club he's in, but actually kinda refreshing to see an independent thinker
Any inside info on potential committee assignments for Senator Fetterman next Congress?
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Fashion committee.
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Fashion committee.
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According to this article, Nevada Smith is interviewing for Mount St Mary’s HC job.
https://hoopdirt.com/mount-st-marys-basketball-search-update/
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Quick, someone tell the interviewers to ask Nevada about fouling up 1!!!
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You think he cheats as much as Scott Drew?
given the party affiliation, hell, those guys wrote the book(s)...cheating 101,102, 103...
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given the party affiliation, hell, those guys wrote the book(s)...cheating 101,102, 103...
I’m glad you have finally admitted Scott Drew is a dirty cheater.
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Intimate personal relationships aside, it's important to stay objective on The Scoop. To "tell it how it is" so to speak. With that in mind, I think it's important for everyone to acknowledge that Scott Drew operates in an unscrupulous fashion professionally.
That doesn't have to take away from the deep personal connection he and his family may have with certain Scoopers.
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According to this article, Nevada Smith is interviewing for Mount St Mary’s HC job.
https://hoopdirt.com/mount-st-marys-basketball-search-update/
He’s been a candidate at a few places this cycle, including USC Upstate.
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Kenny Payne didnt stay unemployed long
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Kenny Payne didnt stay unemployed long
Where? Louisville Central High School?
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Where? Louisville Central High School?
assistant to calipari at Arkansas
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assistant to calipari at Arkansas
Good for him. MU fans know all too well, being a top assistant for a HOF coach does not translate to HC success. Some guys are meant to sit one chair over.
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Movement. Mount St. Mary's.
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Movement. Mount St. Mary's.
Did Nevada get the gig?
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Did Nevada get the gig?
Team better start working on their mid range game.
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Did Nevada get the gig?
For what it's worth:
https://twitter.com/samurai_hoops/status/1781332181232591051
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Sucks for us, but that's a great gig for Coach Smith.
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For what it's worth:
https://twitter.com/samurai_hoops/status/1781332181232591051
He had been attached to it for awhile as a candidate. Good for him. Will be curious who Shaka targets to replace him. Should be an attractive gig given Shaka’s success and seeming happiness here
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Nevada reportedly turned them down :o
https://twitter.com/samurai_hoops/status/1781376958649057598
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Nevada reportedly turned them down :o
https://twitter.com/samurai_hoops/status/1781376958649057598
I'd imagine salary would be tough to swallow at the Mount.
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I'd imagine salary would be tough to swallow at the Mount.
Given his pro-league experience and growing reputation in D1, I do wonder if Nevada could land a higher-end mid-major sometime very soon. If I'm an AD, his brand of basketball is a very exciting proposition.
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Problem is he doesn't recruit.
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Problem is he doesn't recruit.
Good point. Though a good sign for him that he was able to get an offer from a pretty legit program.
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Problem is he doesn't recruit.
So you're saying that Edens and Haslam should be on line one? :P
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Problem is he doesn't recruit.
Does he dislike recruiting? Is he bad at it? Or is recruiting just not part of his job at Marquette?
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Does he dislike recruiting? Is he bad at it? Or is recruiting just not part of his job at Marquette?
Yup as he is a non-recruiting assistant and his role really continues to be an offensive consultant and advisor. He has not had any recruiting responsibilities in a dozen years or so. His coaching and recruiting assignments before that were at the D3ish level. So, he really has no experience in recruiting at the D1 level.
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Does he dislike recruiting? Is he bad at it? Or is recruiting just not part of his job at Marquette?
That's my understanding...I don't know...correct.
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That's my understanding...I don't know...correct.
Recruiting is the easy part
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Problem is he doesn't recruit.
What is this, another Mike Deane rehash? :D