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Title: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: 1SE on March 29, 2024, 07:44:28 PM
At some point it becomes a feature, not a bug. Three tournaments, three games where the team is just completely not ready to play. How the f*ck was no one ready to play.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 29, 2024, 07:45:03 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 29, 2024, 07:45:57 PM
The way he had us guard Burns in the 1st was dumb

But other than that what can he do

We have 2 guys that challenging the worst performance in basketball history. And everyone else is missing wide open 3s or chucking it in the stands every time we get momentum changing stops.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: GB Warrior on March 29, 2024, 07:53:34 PM
Just happy to be here
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: muhoops1 on March 29, 2024, 07:53:57 PM
At some point it becomes a feature, not a bug. Three tournaments, three games where the team is just completely not ready to play. How the f*ck was no one ready to play.
Jesus dude…
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 29, 2024, 07:57:36 PM
I really don’t know what Shaka can do here. They have had so many wide open looks and they just aren’t falling. They have gotten tight and it’s just snowballed.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 29, 2024, 07:59:03 PM
3/23 from three. Most wide open and in rhythm. 🤷🤷🤷
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: 1SE on March 29, 2024, 08:02:25 PM
I really don’t know what Shaka can do here. They have had so many wide open looks and they just aren’t falling. They have gotten tight and it’s just snowballed.

This is a long standing point. Shaka doesn't take the shots but shaka is responsible for having the guys loose and ready to play
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 29, 2024, 08:02:38 PM
I really don’t know what Shaka can do here. They have had so many wide open looks and they just aren’t falling. They have gotten tight and it’s just snowballed.


Maybe recruit some shooters instead of slashers, aina?
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: warriors141 on March 29, 2024, 08:03:11 PM
offensively nothing else he can do........guys are just missing open shots and making uncharacteristically bad decisions
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: bradforster on March 29, 2024, 08:03:19 PM
At some point it becomes a feature, not a bug. Three tournaments, three games where the team is just completely not ready to play. How the f*ck was no one ready to play.

This comment is ludicrous.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Elonsmusk on March 29, 2024, 08:03:35 PM
At some point it becomes a feature, not a bug. Three tournaments, three games where the team is just completely not ready to play. How the f*ck was no one ready to play.

Bro. The team is 3 for 24 from 3. The fug Ahaka to do about that?
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Hamburgler on March 29, 2024, 08:04:10 PM
At this point he's 2 buckets better than Wojo.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: warriorfred on March 29, 2024, 08:04:22 PM
Can't fault Shaka for the shooting.  The offense is getting looks, but the wide open shots are not falling.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 29, 2024, 08:05:47 PM
This is a long standing point. Shaka doesn't take the shots but shaka is responsible for having the guys loose and ready to play

I guess
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: warriorfred on March 29, 2024, 08:20:43 PM
The only Creedence I'll give this thought is that the team disappears for long stretches, and that goes back to last year.  Not sure if that is a reflection of the coach?
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: MUEng92 on March 29, 2024, 08:21:22 PM
I’ve never seen a poor performance more completely on the players than this one.  Shaka could have had John Wooden and Jay Wright as assistants and they would still lose with that performance by the players
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Zog from Margo on March 29, 2024, 08:22:20 PM
They got 3 happy and they don’t have guys who can finish inside with contact. Given the personnel, they got the shots they want. Guys just weren’t good enough shooters tonight. I think they started out with some quick bad shots and it set the tone. The collar got tight.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: cheebs09 on March 29, 2024, 08:24:57 PM
Shaka has built a team of very talented likable guys. I will have him as my coach any day.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: jfp61 on March 29, 2024, 08:27:48 PM
1. Forever coaches don't exist.
2. Shaka is very good, and this was his team letting him down today.

Everyone played poorly.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 29, 2024, 08:28:52 PM
Some guys were in Cabo, hey?
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: tower912 on March 29, 2024, 08:30:51 PM
So, tomorrow or next week, the question implied by the OP needs answered.  If not Shaka, who?   

Since there is no good answer to that question, moving on.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Marquette Fan in WI on March 29, 2024, 08:31:14 PM
If he isn't the forever coach, think that will be more his choice than MUs.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: wadesworld on March 29, 2024, 08:31:42 PM
I’ll go to war with Shaka for the rest of my MU fandom if I can.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 29, 2024, 08:32:05 PM
Our head coach is the least of the problems here. Get real guys.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Fred Garvin on March 29, 2024, 08:32:23 PM
Shaka is the best thing that has happened to Marquette since Al!!! Hands down!!
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Marquette Fan in WI on March 29, 2024, 08:32:43 PM
So, tomorrow or next week, the question implied by the OP needs answered.  If not Shaka, who?   

Since there is no good answer to that question, moving on.
Agreed. The implication is Marquette can do better. Would love a list.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: cheebs09 on March 29, 2024, 08:33:08 PM
If he isn't the forever coach, think that will be more his choice than MUs.

I know people say NIL is the death of college hoops, but I think MU will be playing past Shaka's lifetime.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: forgetful on March 29, 2024, 08:33:28 PM
This is one of the dumbest threads ever.

Proud of Shaka, proud of this team. Sucks we couldn't hit the broad side of a barn on 3's tonight.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 29, 2024, 08:33:42 PM
Clearly it's an emotional take, but anyone who questions Shaka's fitness for the job is beyond an idiot.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: 1SE on March 29, 2024, 08:35:09 PM
3 wins with two 2 seeds.

There's so much to love about Shaka, but not getting it done in tourney is why he parted ways with TX.

Has yet to beat a single digit seed while at MU. Hasn't beat a single digit seed in the tourney since... ?
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 29, 2024, 08:35:37 PM
3 wins with two 2 seeds.

There's so much to love about Shaka, but not getting it done in tourney is why he parted ways with TX.

Has yet to beat a single digit seed while at MU. Hasn't beat a single digit seed in the tourney since... ?

Write a letter.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: PointWarrior on March 29, 2024, 08:36:11 PM
dumb thread...   Shaka does need to recruit more accurate shooters.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: MUCam on March 29, 2024, 08:37:50 PM
dumb thread...   Shaka does need to recruit more accurate shooters.

That’s not it. If they shoot even 5-% below their average, they win running away.

The kids choked in the moment. I feel for them.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: warriorfred on March 29, 2024, 08:37:54 PM
Shaka is the guy.  There are NO alternatives in the same class, NONE.

That being said, if he is given Wojo levels of support and only produces this single Sweet Sixteen, we'll talk in 2030.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 29, 2024, 08:38:09 PM
3 wins with two 2 seeds.

There's so much to love about Shaka, but not getting it done in tourney is why he parted ways with TX.

Has yet to beat a single digit seed while at MU. Hasn't beat a single digit seed in the tourney since... ?

What should he have done to make the team shoot better than 4/31?
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Hamburgler on March 29, 2024, 08:38:45 PM
They peaked in Maui. That’s not good coaching.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: 1SE on March 29, 2024, 08:38:57 PM
What should he have done to make the team shoot better than 4/31?

Put the freshmen in? Inexcusable. They couldn't have played worse.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: dpucane on March 29, 2024, 08:39:40 PM
I think the problem with Shaka is that he turned his nose up at the portal and it bit him in the ass.

They clearly needed a physical big who could bump and rebound from the end of last year. Oso is good but he can't match up with some of these guys. He was not his best these last 2 weeks and they had no backup plan.

The fire Shaka stuff is dumb though. This program is still WAY ahead of schedule.

I hope Shaka learns from this and starts using the portal to fill glaring needs.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: 1SE on March 29, 2024, 08:40:44 PM
They peaked in Maui. That’s not good coaching.

Best win in 2024 - @SJU? Colorado?
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: AlienWarrior on March 29, 2024, 08:42:46 PM
God forbid sS
hakra disrupts the family lovefest by going to the transfer portal. I know it's against his religion
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: AlienWarrior on March 29, 2024, 08:44:40 PM
God forbid Shaka goes to the transfer portal and disrupts the family love fest.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: PointWarrior on March 29, 2024, 08:45:07 PM
Best win in 2024 - @SJU? Colorado?

probably Colorado...
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 29, 2024, 08:45:18 PM
I think you should take another shot and post it a third time.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Mu8891 on March 29, 2024, 08:51:16 PM
He’s not going anywhere….

And MU can’t do any better…

But … wow … that was AWFUL
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Hamburgler on March 29, 2024, 08:58:44 PM
He’s not going anywhere….

And MU can’t do any better…

But … wow … that was AWFUL

Nice vote of confidence. So glad we’re stuck with him.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 29, 2024, 09:00:14 PM
Nice vote of confidence. So glad we’re stuck with him.

Hey NLW has a new account!
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: CTWarrior on March 29, 2024, 09:00:56 PM
What should he have done to make the team shoot better than 4/31?
We should have driven to the basket more than we did.  Not being able to go to Oso for some inside buckets compounded out shooting issues.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: brewcity77 on March 29, 2024, 09:05:44 PM
We held them to 0.97 PPP on the game. Missed what, 20 unguarded threes? The game plan was fine. The execution was awful. And that's not mentioning Oso bobbling every entry or blowing bunnies.

If we play bad, we beat them by double digits. Coaching wasn't the problem. Not even remotely.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: lawdog77 on March 29, 2024, 09:12:14 PM
What should he have done to make the team shoot better than 4/31?
not shoot 31 3s
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 29, 2024, 09:12:39 PM
Nice vote of confidence. So glad we’re stuck with him.

IP address check.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 29, 2024, 09:13:15 PM
The execution was awful. And that's not mentioning Oso bobbling every entry or blowing bunnies.

What was the deal with Oso's hands during the tournament? Very uncharacteristic. His set of performances in general were strange. It really leads me to believe there's a significant injury, but didn't see any clear physical issues on the court.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2024, 09:14:44 PM
not shoot 31 3s

So, Marquette had the 15th best effective offensive FG% this year. They entered tonight with the nations 19th most efficient offense. 59th in the nation in 3 pt. shooting.

🤷🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: warriors141 on March 29, 2024, 09:15:37 PM
What was the deal with Oso's hands during the tournament? Very uncharacteristic. His set of performances in general were strange. It really leads me to believe there's a significant injury, but didn't see any clear physical issues on the court.

he never really seemed to have that absolute killer instinct , and then took that to another level in the tournament
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: NCMUFan on March 29, 2024, 09:16:37 PM
I really don’t know what Shaka can do here. They have had so many wide open looks and they just aren’t falling. They have gotten tight and it’s just snowballed.
They need to get a better team game psychiatrist.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2024, 09:17:49 PM
They need to get a better team game psychiatrist.

Mad Dog Vachon used to drink a pint of whisky before cage matches
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: NCMUFan on March 29, 2024, 09:19:58 PM
Wow, All Star wrestling.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 29, 2024, 09:23:25 PM
They need to get a better team game psychiatrist.

Unironically, I think this is important. Judging the limited footage/writing available about him, their present consultant isn't very impressive. Especially with Shaka's extreme emphasis on relationships and culture, this team needs serious resources around mental skills.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 29, 2024, 09:23:45 PM
The Marquette team was tight
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Mu8891 on March 29, 2024, 09:24:49 PM
Oso played awful basketball….

And, frankly… he seemed to not be at all intense or interested really
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: warriors141 on March 29, 2024, 09:39:52 PM
Oso played awful basketball….

And, frankly… he seemed to not be at all intense or interested really

according to shaka no injury for oso..........I have no idea what happened with him, horrible end to a great career
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 29, 2024, 09:40:41 PM
according to shaka no injury for oso..........I have no idea what happened with him, horrible end to a great career

That really hurts to hear. He had a real opportunity to pump his draft stock.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: NickelDimer on March 29, 2024, 09:41:58 PM
according to shaka no injury for oso..........I have no idea what happened with him, horrible end to a great career
I said after the Colorado game it looked way more mental than physical.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: MU_Beav on March 29, 2024, 09:42:35 PM
At some point it becomes a feature, not a bug. Three tournaments, three games where the team is just completely not ready to play. How the f*ck was no one ready to play.

complete trash, take.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: MDMU04 on March 29, 2024, 09:49:07 PM
This thread is f’n stupid
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: DoctorV on March 29, 2024, 09:53:06 PM
Unironically, I think this is important. Judging the limited footage/writing available about him, their present consultant isn't very impressive. Especially with Shaka's extreme emphasis on relationships and culture, this team needs serious resources around mental skills.

Shaka, more than the guys, needs a good one.

Don’t take this as a slight, because he’s incredible for this program.

There’s no doubt in my mind that he doesn’t want to acknowledge that there is an issue when it comes to the big game that he himself has to overcome.
He was asked about it and gave a complete non-confront answer. Not normal for a genius of his candor.

This team is a reflection of its main guy, its father.
They are a reflection during the good, and also during the bad.

He can’t go out there and take the shots, and he’s orchestrated tons of massive second half comebacks, but those were a product of extremely tight or poor played first halves.

Shaka changes during the dance. He likely doesn’t realize it, but he does, and it affects his team.
When you reach Mt Olympus as a youth the fall is massive and the climb back up can be steep as heck.

He just needs one good bounce, one moment of brilliant, one individual to carry him thru and the gates will hopefully open up.
I was hoping Tyler was that guy.
Maybe next year.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: cheebs09 on March 29, 2024, 10:03:29 PM
We held them to 0.97 PPP on the game. Missed what, 20 unguarded threes? The game plan was fine. The execution was awful. And that's not mentioning Oso bobbling every entry or blowing bunnies.

If we play bad, we beat them by double digits. Coaching wasn't the problem. Not even remotely.

Just saw Chuck on the halftime show talking about how bad our defense was. All the highlights showed them hitting some pretty tough shots. If we hit our average, it's a pretty comfortable win.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Norm on March 29, 2024, 10:28:49 PM
I like Shaka, but his teams play too tight in the NCAAs. Happened again today. He also had a bad defensive strategy in the first half of doubling Burns which backfired and got MU in a double digit hole.

For those mentioning him changing his approach in the post season, I thought that watching him shorten the bench to just Chase and single minutes for Ben the last two games. Why essentially bench Tre and Zaide when they both contributed down the stretch? 

And I wish Shaka would use time outs quicker to stem other teams' runs. He didn't even use two time outs today. What was he saving them for?

Glad we made the Sweet 16, but painful to lose to another double digit seed as a 2 seed.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: brewcity77 on March 29, 2024, 10:38:01 PM
Just saw Chuck on the halftime show talking about how bad our defense was. All the highlights showed them hitting some pretty tough shots. If we hit our average, it's a pretty comfortable win.

Chuck is there for entertainment value, not smart analysis.

Our defense was okay (not great) in the first and excellent in the second. It was all about our offense missing shots. Only reason we lost.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Efficient Frontier on March 30, 2024, 12:44:59 AM
At some point it becomes a feature, not a bug. Three tournaments, three games where the team is just completely not ready to play. How the f*ck was no one ready to play.
Great point. Let’s fire Shaka and see if we can lure Gard away from UW.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: 1SE on March 30, 2024, 03:28:37 AM
The slurp mindset on this board is unreal.

Nowhere have I insinuated anything remotely to the effect that Shaka should be fired at any point on the horizon. To the contrary, I'm so thrilled w him in most aspects of his job that I started the lifetime contract thread (and if you don't realize all of these have a touch of teal I don't know what to say...)

But my enthusiasm for Shaka is predicated on all the good things he's doing bringing us March success. Because, frankly, that's all that matters to me in terms of MUBB outcomes. I mean all things equal, I'd rather win a natty w a team built "the right way" but you're kidding yourself if you think you won't be happy w a natty secured w 5 NIL mercenaries.

If you can't admit that Shaka has not yet shown that he can again perform to a high level in the NCAAT IDK what to say. It's OK to admit that they guy we all really like has a major flaw.

Will he overcome it? Maybe. Hopefully. But he hasnt yet. He'll need to to be a forever coach. To be a Wright, or Few or K.

The good news is we'll probably get a chance to see again soon. But these NCAAT results after all the great stuff that got us two 2 seeds in 2 years - 2-2-2 - make me ill.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 30, 2024, 08:01:19 AM
not shoot miss 31 27 3s
Really, it goes back to Tower's first point in the game summary.

So, so many of the threes were exactly want we wanted, wide open and uncontested. We missed. Like, historically badly missed.

Kam had what I think most would consider a below average to poor shooting night; if the entire team shot like Kam, we're playing on Sunday.

We were for the most part fine defensively. NCST did hit some clutch, contested, late clock gut punches, but overall giving up 67 points is fine. All MU needed was a D+ game on offense and we didn't get even that.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: brewcity77 on March 30, 2024, 08:14:39 AM
Will he overcome it? Maybe. Hopefully. But he hasnt yet. He'll need to to be a forever coach. To be a Wright, or Few or K.

It took Wright 15 years to win a title at Villanova. It took K 11 years at Duke (and fans wanted him out after year 3). Few still hasn't won a title in 25 years.

It might be a tad premature to assume Shaka can't win bigger than this.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: willie warrior on March 30, 2024, 08:27:13 AM
dumb thread...   Shaka does need to recruit more accurate shooters.
And a bruising big, a pg, and at least 2 big time wing shooters, given what is projected to come back next year. Is he up to that task?
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: statnik on March 30, 2024, 08:29:14 AM
Bro. The team is 3 for 24 from 3. The fug Ahaka to do about that?

It happened last year when we shot pretty decently from 3 too.  It’s a fair point that his teams seem to have brutal games come in at the worst time in these NCAAs.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 30, 2024, 08:40:17 AM
And a bruising big, a pg, and at least 2 big time wing shooters, given what is projected to come back next year. Is he up to that task?

Dung-

The board thinks you are

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66043.0

Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: 1SE on March 30, 2024, 08:42:43 AM
It took Wright 15 years to win a title at Villanova. It took K 11 years at Duke (and fans wanted him out after year 3). Few still hasn't won a title in 25 years.

It might be a tad premature to assume Shaka can't win bigger than this.

No one is, but he hasn't yet. This year and last year were good chances to do that. Other chances will come, but these were missed opportunities.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: BLWarrior91 on March 30, 2024, 08:42:59 AM
When was the last time a Marquette team entered the season with expectations of a final four and talk of a national championship? 

That wasn’t someone we could even fathom three years ago. Everyone needs to realize just how lucky we are that Shaka is our guy.  Yes, we feel short yesterday.  Even Al’s best teams don’t win the naty.  But Al also had teams that were consistently good enough to have a shot.  That’s what we need…sustained excellence.  Shaka gives us a great chance at that.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 30, 2024, 08:47:00 AM
When was the last time a Marquette team entered the season with expectations of a final four and talk of a national championship? 

That wasn’t someone we could even fathom three years ago and now we’re.  Everyone needs to realize just how lucky we are that Shaka is our guy.  Yes, we feel short yesterday.  Even Al’s best teams don’t win the naty.  But Al also had teams that were consistently good enough to have a shot.  That’s what we need…sustained excellence.  Shaka gives us a great chance at that.
Agreed! Good post.

I'll add, Shaka is lucky to have Marquette.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: brewcity77 on March 30, 2024, 08:54:00 AM
No one is, but he hasn't yet. This year and last year were good chances to do that. Other chances will come, but these were missed opportunities.

I mean, this guy certainly seems to be insinuating it:

At some point it becomes a feature, not a bug. Three tournaments, three games where the team is just completely not ready to play. How the f*ck was no one ready to play.

Everything about that post indicates a belief Shaka can't win bigger than this.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: 79Warrior on March 30, 2024, 09:27:58 AM
The only Creedence I'll give this thought is that the team disappears for long stretches, and that goes back to last year.  Not sure if that is a reflection of the coach?

They did not disappear in this one. The shooters never showed up.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: tower912 on March 30, 2024, 09:32:46 AM
They kept shooting the right shots.   They missed.   Alas.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 30, 2024, 09:36:26 AM
They kept shooting the right shots.   They missed.   Alas.
Yep. If they shoot 25% (-10% of season avg.) they win by 5.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: lawdog77 on March 30, 2024, 09:37:35 AM
They kept shooting the right shots.   They missed.   Alas.
The other side is when do they stop becoming the "right" shots? A few more pump fakes, drive in the lane to draw contact might have helped.

We always see defensive adjustments. What about offensive ones.?
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: GB Warrior on March 30, 2024, 09:39:08 AM
The other side is when do they stop becoming the "right" shots? A few more pump fakes, drive in the lane to draw contact might have helped.

We always see defensive adjustments. What about iffensive ones.?

They missed those too!
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: tower912 on March 30, 2024, 09:45:26 AM
The other side is when do they stop becoming the "right" shots? A few more pump fakes, drive in the lane to draw contact might have helped.

We always see defensive adjustments. What about offensive ones.?
You mean like a missed dunk, multiple missed lay ups and blocked shots at the rim?    Huh.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: lawdog77 on March 30, 2024, 10:01:39 AM
You mean like a missed dunk, multiple missed lay ups and blocked shots at the rim?    Huh.
Those were mainly in the first half. I went back through the game log to confirm, and there were two missed layups in the 2nd.Each time we cut it to 8 and had the ball. we missed threes, nothing at the rim. NC state had 3 blocks in the game. Burns and Diarra had 3 fouls attack the rim,

Its analagous to an NFL defense dropping a couple extra guys in coverage. You may have ro change your offense. We shouldnt be shooting more 3s than 2s
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Zog from Margo on March 30, 2024, 11:28:23 AM
They kept shooting the right shots.   They missed.   Alas.

Exactly. https://twitter.com/jaredleesmith/status/1773884488076124339
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 30, 2024, 11:40:11 AM
They kept shooting the right shots.   They missed.   Alas.

But what if they tried shooting the wrong shots? 🤔
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: NickelDimer on March 30, 2024, 11:52:56 AM
Exactly. https://twitter.com/jaredleesmith/status/1773884488076124339
This is why this will sting for a while. Playing at or close to your standard and losing is one thing, picking the most important game of the season to play by far your absolute worst is just hard to get over.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 30, 2024, 11:53:28 AM
But what if they tried shooting the wrong shots? 🤔
Maybe I could teach them my shot selection from my Helfaer intramural days?  :D
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Zog from Margo on March 30, 2024, 11:57:34 AM
This is why this will sting for a while. Playing at or close to your standard and losing is one thing, picking the most important game of the season to play by far your absolute worst is just hard to get over.

It clearly wasn’t a coaching issue. They should have one based on shots created.

Maybe the relationship angle goes too far. When one was bricking they all were bricking.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Rural Juror on March 30, 2024, 12:14:47 PM
offensively nothing else he can do........guys are just missing open shots and making uncharacteristically bad decisions

he can adjust. his teams have been losing big games/tourney games in this manner since long before he got to marquette. when you play five-out and you eschew offensive rebounding for getting back on defense, that’s going to put you into a hole whenever you have a bad shooting night against a good team. Shaka has no answer for this other than to pray that the threes start falling. his teams have been losing like this for years and yet he’s got no back up plan that involves taking fewer threes and actually trying for offensive rebounds and second chance points. his only plan, no matter how many times this happens, is to watch his team heave up more threes and pray they go in. this is who he is. this is how his teams bow out.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Hamburgler on March 30, 2024, 12:20:08 PM
Shaka has underachieved in the tourney for so long and at multiple schools that it’s exceedingly unlikely to be due to random chance. Early VCU looks like a fluke now, and playing with house money is a lot easier than playing up to your seeding.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: 1SE on March 30, 2024, 12:38:49 PM
I mean, this guy certainly seems to be insinuating it:

Everything about that post indicates a belief Shaka can't win bigger than this.

at some point

We're not there yet, but it would have been better not to have lost.

Exit 3 or 4 more times like this and I'll say "Shaka can't win bigger than this"

Frustrating, because this year could have been the year to put all of that to bed. 
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 30, 2024, 12:45:11 PM
This thread needs a remindme! button
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Zog from Margo on March 30, 2024, 12:53:00 PM
he can adjust. his teams have been losing big games/tourney games in this manner since long before he got to marquette. when you play five-out and you eschew offensive rebounding for getting back on defense, that’s going to put you into a hole whenever you have a bad shooting night against a good team. Shaka has no answer for this other than to pray that the threes start falling. his teams have been losing like this for years and yet he’s got no back up plan that involves taking fewer threes and actually trying for offensive rebounds and second chance points. his only plan, no matter how many times this happens, is to watch his team heave up more threes and pray they go in. this is who he is. this is how his teams bow out.

I think that’s a personnel issue. Jop and Oso are not effective scorers at the hoop. If the D takes away the guard drives, then what? The shot quality was there. Even an average shooting game and MU wins easily.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 30, 2024, 01:04:17 PM
Agree the gameplan was fine and a below average execution-wise performance wins this game by 10.

BUT - isn’t the execution choke a part of coaching? Kids were riddled with nerves and overthought themselves all game. A reflection on the Commander in Chief, no?

I will caveat all this by saying I would immediately give Shaka a lifetime contract for whatever amount of money keeps him happy every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Rural Juror on March 30, 2024, 04:01:31 PM
I mean, this guy certainly seems to be insinuating it:

Everything about that post indicates a belief Shaka can't win bigger than this.

well he never has won bigger than this, other than 2011, when his team in all reality had no business being let in to the tournament. his 2011 vcu team is to this day the worst ever at-large team to be allowed into the tourney. it’s wild to think about where he’d be without that inexplicable decision by the committee.

since then his record hasn’t been anything to be proud of. in six years at vcu he never once won the league, even though his peers anthony grant, jeff capel, and will wade all won the league at vcu. he never won his league at Texas either (although he did finish dead last with jarrett allen on his team), and he never won a tourney game with the Longhorns despite signing three top 8 national recruiting classes in a four year span.

then there’s the loss to abilene christian which got him the boot at Texas. it should have been impossible for Texas to lose that game. ACU had one player over 6’6” while Texas had three nba draft picks in the front court (kai jones, jericho sims, greg brown). they also had veteran guards (matt coleman, andrew jones, courtney ramey). Texas was the blueprint for tourney success- highly athletic 5*, nba talent, lots of experience, and three senior guards. it was a team built to go on a deep run.

not only did Texas lose to ACU and fail to go on a deep run, ACU was objectively terrible against Texas and still won the game. ACU shot 29% from the field and 3–18 from deep, and they still defeated their vastly superior foe. acu’s 18-5 edge on offensive rebounds was particularly baffling considering the difference in size, athleticism, and talent. still, it was nowhere near the first time and clearly also was not the last time that shaka smart would lose to a double digit seed as a tourney favorite. he truly is one of the perennial underachievers in the ncaa tourney.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 30, 2024, 04:03:32 PM
well he never has won bigger than this, other than 2011, when his team in all reality had no business being let in to the tournament. his 2011 vcu team is to this day the worst ever at-large team to be allowed into the tourney. it’s wild to think about where he’d be without that inexplicable decision by the committee.

since then his record hasn’t been anything to be proud of. in six years at vcu he never once won the league, even though his peers anthony grant, jeff capel, and will wade all won the league at vcu. he never won his league at Texas either (although he did finish dead last with jarrett allen on his team), and he never won a tourney game with the Longhorns despite signing three top 8 national recruiting classes in a four year span.

then there’s the loss to abilene christian which got him the boot at Texas. it should have been impossible for Texas to lose that game. ACU had one player over 6’6” while Texas had three nba draft picks in the front court (kai jones, jericho sims, greg brown). they also had veteran guards (matt coleman, andrew jones, courtney ramey). Texas was the blueprint for tourney success- highly athletic 5*, nba talent, lots of experience, and three senior guards. it was a team built to go on a deep run.

not only did Texas lose to ACU and fail to go on a deep run, ACU was objectively terrible against Texas and still won the game. ACU shot 29% from the field and 3–18 from deep, and they still defeated their vastly superior foe. acu’s 18-5 edge on offensive rebounds was particularly baffling considering the difference in size, athleticism, and talent. still, it was nowhere near the first time and clearly also was not the last time that shaka smart would lose to a double digit seed as a tourney favorite. he truly is one of the perennial underachievers in the ncaa tourney.

I’m not reading that but I’m sorry it happened to you or happy for your success
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 30, 2024, 04:06:22 PM
since then his record hasn’t been anything to be proud of.

That is a really stupid statement.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Hamburgler on March 30, 2024, 04:16:41 PM
well he never has won bigger than this, other than 2011, when his team in all reality had no business being let in to the tournament. his 2011 vcu team is to this day the worst ever at-large team to be allowed into the tourney. it’s wild to think about where he’d be without that inexplicable decision by the committee.

since then his record hasn’t been anything to be proud of. in six years at vcu he never once won the league, even though his peers anthony grant, jeff capel, and will wade all won the league at vcu. he never won his league at Texas either (although he did finish dead last with jarrett allen on his team), and he never won a tourney game with the Longhorns despite signing three top 8 national recruiting classes in a four year span.

then there’s the loss to abilene christian which got him the boot at Texas. it should have been impossible for Texas to lose that game. ACU had one player over 6’6” while Texas had three nba draft picks in the front court (kai jones, jericho sims, greg brown). they also had veteran guards (matt coleman, andrew jones, courtney ramey). Texas was the blueprint for tourney success- highly athletic 5*, nba talent, lots of experience, and three senior guards. it was a team built to go on a deep run.

not only did Texas lose to ACU and fail to go on a deep run, ACU was objectively terrible against Texas and still won the game. ACU shot 29% from the field and 3–18 from deep, and they still defeated their vastly superior foe. acu’s 18-5 edge on offensive rebounds was particularly baffling considering the difference in size, athleticism, and talent. still, it was nowhere near the first time and clearly also was not the last time that shaka smart would lose to a double digit seed as a tourney favorite. he truly is one of the perennial underachievers in the ncaa tourney.

This is accurate but doesn’t fit the slurper narrative who are content with perrenial underachievement as long as we make the tourney. Maybe a critical mass of them will wake up by 2028…
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 30, 2024, 04:19:11 PM
This is accurate but doesn’t fit the slurper narrative who are content with perrenial underachievement as long as we make the tourney. Maybe a critical mass of them will wake up by 2028…

He's doing way better than your guy Porter. I can't remember who said it, but if you go back three years ago and said "here is what the next three years will bring..." 99.9% of the fanbase would have said "sign me up."
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 30, 2024, 04:20:15 PM
This is accurate but doesn’t fit the slurper narrative who are content with perrenial underachievement as long as we make the tourney. Maybe a critical mass of them will wake up by 2028…

Hi,

I earlier asked for your plan.  Please share
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: MUfan12 on March 30, 2024, 04:20:20 PM
Yeah, the ones deciding to back a guy who has won 71% of his games over three years, after inheriting a program mired in mediocrity, they're the crazy ones.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Hamburgler on March 30, 2024, 04:22:00 PM
He's doing way better than your guy Porter. I can't remember who said it, but if you go back three years ago and said "here is what the next three years will bring..." 99.9% of the fanbase would have said "sign me up."

Nice red herring. Enjoy your perennial underachievement.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 30, 2024, 04:26:41 PM
Nice red herring. Enjoy your perennial underachievement.

Yesterday notwithstanding, I've enjoyed the last three years.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 30, 2024, 04:54:35 PM
For those pining for a dynasty and also worried we can't compete with NIL, this is reminder to donate to our NIL fund.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: BLWarrior91 on March 30, 2024, 05:30:45 PM
Kentucky probably has a massive amount of NIL money.  Where did that get them?  Remember, there are only so many roster spots at the handful of big NIL programs.

Shaka turning three and four star players into NBA draft picks is a great selling point for Marquette.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Rural Juror on March 30, 2024, 05:44:50 PM
That is a really stupid statement.

this year was his first trip to the S16 since 2011. he’s 5-10 in the tourney since 2011. so uh, no it isn’t.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Zog from Margo on March 30, 2024, 06:01:53 PM
this year was his first trip to the S16 since 2011. he’s 5-10 in the tourney since 2011. so uh, no it isn’t.

So he’s already on a better trajectory at MU. At MU, he’s 3-3 in the tourney.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: WeAreMarquette96 on March 30, 2024, 06:02:27 PM
Stupid ass thread. Shaka wasn’t why we shot 4/31 from 3
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 30, 2024, 06:44:04 PM
this year was his first trip to the S16 since 2011. he’s 5-10 in the tourney since 2011. so uh, no it isn’t.

Yeah it is. He’s done a lot to be proud of as a coach.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: lawdog77 on March 30, 2024, 07:03:42 PM
Stupid ass thread. Shaka wasn’t why we shot 4/31 from 3
Nevada is
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Rural Juror on March 30, 2024, 08:31:00 PM
So he’s already on a better trajectory at MU. At MU, he’s 3-3 in the tourney.

shaka in the tourney at marquette:

2022: lost by 32 points in an 8 vs 9 game

2023: beat 15 seed vermont, lost 69-60 in a 2 vs 7 game

2024: beat 15 seed wku, beat 10 seed colorado, lost to 11 seed nc state

his best win in the tourney at marquette is a round of 32 win vs 10 seed colorado despite marquette getting back to back 2 seeds. this after going 0-3 in the tourney in six years at Texas, with losses to nevada, northern iowa, and abilene christian. aside from one miracle run in 2011 he has repeatedly underachieved in the ncaa tourney.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: tower912 on March 30, 2024, 08:33:00 PM
He will have many years to figure it out.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 30, 2024, 09:03:20 PM
Hamburgler and rural juror obviously the same poster.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: Hamburgler on March 30, 2024, 10:56:01 PM
Hamburgler and rural juror obviously the same poster.

Cant respond to the inconvenient facts that don’t fit your narrative?
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: willie warrior on March 31, 2024, 08:09:40 AM
This is accurate but doesn’t fit the slurper narrative who are content with perrenial underachievement as long as we make the tourney. Maybe a critical mass of them will wake up by 2028…
How dare you guys speak out factual content critical of Shaka against Satan's speculative narrative. One thing we can be thankful for.Shaka is a far improvement from Wojo who Satan likely supported to the bitter end
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 31, 2024, 08:11:27 AM
How dare you guys speak out factual content critical of Shaka against Satan's speculative narrative. One thing we can be thankful for.Shaka is a far improvement from Wojo who Satan likely supported to the bitter end

Me? Nope. I was suggesting he should be fired early in his last year.

But you trash every coach and player so it’s pretty hard to take any of your criticisms seriously.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: willie warrior on March 31, 2024, 08:20:19 AM
Me? Nope. I was suggesting he should be fired early in his last year.

But you trash every coach and player so it’s pretty hard to take any of your criticisms seriously.
Wrong again. I never trashed Al, Raymonds, Majerus, O Neil, and only Crean for his I4 ending. So you are wrong, as usual. It is very hard Satan to take any of your hippie hyperbole seriously
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: tower912 on March 31, 2024, 08:23:40 AM
Shaka's record at Texas was remarkably similar to Wojo's at MU.
He has shown the ability over the last 3 seasons to be able to out a team on the floor that doesn't just compete in the Big East, but thrives.   
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: GOO on March 31, 2024, 08:31:24 AM
We are lucky to have Shaka as long as he’ll have us. Hopefully for a long long time. Any other narrative is frankly, insane.

I don’t use that word lightly or often, probably never on scoop or in writing. But it fits here. Don’t be insane. Wake up.

Hopefully the people in power and with the money show him the love and embrace him with a long contract full of money and love and appreciation.  I’m sure they will.  What a great season.

I’ve never been more proud of  MU ball since I’ve been following them. What a great fun team to watch the last two years under Shaka. Close second is Wade’s teams. Shaka long term gives us another shot at the big time. And with players we can be proud of.

He embraces what MU is about in an authentic way. Players will leave MU as better people, better players, and ready to contribute to the world. And win while in college. Love him.  I’m confident those that matter do as well. I hope he will have us for a long time.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 31, 2024, 08:33:31 AM
Wrong again. I never trashed Al, Raymonds, Majerus, O Neil, and only Crean for his I4 ending. So you are wrong, as usual. It is very hard Satan to take any of your hippie hyperbole seriously

I am sure that if Scoop were around in Al’s days, you would have trashed him too. It’s your nature.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: 79Warrior on March 31, 2024, 01:30:47 PM
For those pining for a dynasty and also worried we can't compete with NIL, this is reminder to donate to our NIL fund.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: tower912 on March 31, 2024, 02:34:59 PM
Make a complaint jar.   Like a swear jar.  Every time you complain about MU drop a buck in a jar.   Turn it over to NIL.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 31, 2024, 03:01:40 PM
Make a complaint jar.   Like a swear jar.  Every time you complain about MU drop a buck in a jar.   Turn it over to NIL.

Why do you want to bankrupt willie?
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: willie warrior on March 31, 2024, 05:08:20 PM
I am sure that if Scoop were around in Al’s days, you would have trashed him too. It’s your
nature.
You don't have a clue about that.
And you are wrong as usual. I just proved your BS statement wrong and now you digress to denigrating when you do not know me. Guess you go to the ignore button.
Title: Re: Shaka might not be the forever coach.
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 31, 2024, 05:12:14 PM
You don't have a clue about that.
And you are wrong as usual. I just proved your BS statement wrong and now you digress to denigrating when you do not know me. Guess you go to the ignore button.


You didn’t prove anything.