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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on November 08, 2011, 08:38:16 PM
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http://www.insidemilwaukee.com/Article/1182011-BelievingBuzzWilliams
Something huge is going to have to happen for MU to lose this guy.
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There are around 6-9 programs that might be able to take him from us. Let me know when someone like: Texas, UNC, Duke, Indiana, Kentucky, Arizona, or UCLA come calling.
Everything else is a lateral move.
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Does that include competing in the reincarnation of Conference USA?
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Could everyone please, please stop the Chicken Little Great Midwest Horizon Conference USA Redux crap? The following teams are NOT leaving the Big East, nor were they EVER in the much feared Mid-Major hell holes some of these posters are so worried about: Nova, St. John's, Georgetown and ND. Add Memphis (they have no problem recruiting) and Temple and keeping Rutgers, Cinci, Prov, Seton Hall, SF and DePaul.....yeah, real lackluster conference with no appeal. THEN, go after the Zags and Butler and give the one finger salute to all the defector knuckleheads getting the snot beat out of them day in and day out in the rugged ACC. ::)
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There are around 6-9 programs that might be able to take him from us. Let me know when someone like: Texas, UNC, Duke, Indiana, Kentucky, Arizona, or UCLA come calling.
Everything else is a lateral move.
Explain "lateral move."
MU is not simply right behind those schools in terms of prestige or success. UConn, Michigan State, Ohio State, Florida, Maryland and several others are definitely well above us.
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Maryland? When did Gary Williams come back? Maryland is on the decline, Ohio State hasn't done too much with their high seeds lately. I think Marquette is a top 15 program. With the money they pour in and the dedication to the program the coach should feel honored to be here.
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Maryland? When did Gary Williams come back? Maryland is on the decline, Ohio State hasn't done too much with their high seeds lately. I think Marquette is a top 15 program. With the money they pour in and the dedication to the program the coach should feel honored to be here.
The best thing that happened to Maryland in many years is the retirement of Gary Williams. He admitted that he hated recruiting...yet his program still won. The new coach is taking advantage of the fact that Maryland is near strong high school programs and he is doing really well froma recruiting standpoint. They arent on the way down...they are on the way up. There is no reason Maryland shouldnt be a national power.
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http://www.insidemilwaukee.com/Article/1182011-BelievingBuzzWilliams
Something huge is going to have to happen for MU to lose this guy.
The guy survived something huge over the last six months and hasn't budged.
He knows his power.
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Is it just the fact that it's early morning, or did the writing in this article make you pause too many times? I found it uncomfortable to read.
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Explain "lateral move."
MU is not simply right behind those schools in terms of prestige or success. UConn, Michigan State, Ohio State, Florida, Maryland and several others are definitely well above us.
I want to see what happens to UConn, Cuse and Michigan St once their coaches are done. I dont think those programs can simply grab whoever they want, and instead will probably end up hiring from within the first time. Kansas, Kentucky and North Carolina are the only true blue-bloods. After that Indiana, UCLA and Duke, and then another drop off to the big state schools with strong bball commitment like Texas, Florida, Arizona, Syracuse, UConn, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, etc. Buzz will not leave for just everyone of those schools, but he could leave for a few. Whenever any of those schools goes looking, I would start to sweat a bit.
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Is it just the fact that it's early morning, or did the writing in this article make you pause too many times? I found it uncomfortable to read.
I actually thought the article was funny, and informative. It is written in a casual style, but I liked the humor.
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I thought the article was pretty solid. I liked how it referenced Buzz's answer to Boston Globe's Bob Ryan press conference question.
I know that there's a link to the text of the interview, but was curious if anybody has the audio/video format somewhere?
I remember watching off of Syracuse's website (which I always thought was odd), but can't find it on YouTube or anywhere.
Despite being arguably one of the most long-winded answers in press conference history (I thought Bob Ryan said in all his years of reporting, it was the most genuine, in-depth answer that he's ever received from a question), it should be archived somewhere for MU fans.
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Why do even many of you refuse to believe him? I think UNC could come calling at the end of this season and he wouldn't be interested.
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I thought the article was pretty solid. I liked how it referenced Buzz's answer to Boston Globe's Bob Ryan press conference question.
I know that there's a link to the text of the interview, but was curious if anybody has the audio/video format somewhere?
I remember watching off of Syracuse's website (which I always thought was odd), but can't find it on YouTube or anywhere.
Despite being arguably one of the most long-winded answers in press conference history (I thought Bob Ryan said in all his years of reporting, it was the most genuine, in-depth answer that he's ever received from a question), it should be archived somewhere for MU fans.
It is an absolute tragedy that Buzz's answer to that question could be found on the Syracuse website and not MU's. Buzz laid down 8 minutes of GOLD. Seeing the video was almost moving - reading it in print doesn't do it complete justice. MU should be using that as a primary recruiting tool - and have it featured prominently on the GoMarquette site. As the article was titled in the Houston Chronicle: If you don't like Marquette coach Buzz Williams now, you will after reading his story."
It is this type of omission that gives me virtually ZERO confidence in the administration/athletic department - with regard to anything: conference realignment, how it handled the allegations of sexual impropriety, the name change, the ridiculous press conference with Broeker and Buzz on the allegations...basically...you name it...MU administration fumbles/bungles a lot.
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It is an absolute tragedy that Buzz's answer to that question could be found on the Syracuse website and not MU's. Buzz laid down 8 minutes of GOLD. Seeing the video was almost moving - reading it in print doesn't do it complete justice. MU should be using that as a primary recruiting tool - and have it featured prominently on the GoMarquette site. As the article was titled in the Houston Chronicle: If you don't like Marquette coach Buzz Williams now, you will after reading his story."
It is this type of omission that gives me virtually ZERO confidence in the administration/athletic department - with regard to anything: conference realignment, how it handled the allegations of sexual impropriety, the name change, the ridiculous press conference with Broeker and Buzz on the allegations...basically...you name it...MU administration fumbles/bungles a lot.
Really. Really.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Wikip-facepalm.jpg)
The fact that Marquette failed to post a link reaffirms the fact you ZERO confidence in them. Just making sure. The same administration that hired Buzz in this first place.
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Well, I do think that it does speak to some ineptitude in the SID office...which I have spoken about here repeatedly. Their work is not impressive at all.
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Well, sure, it's easy for him to say these things now. But what it a big job opens up in Big 12 country?
Oh, wait ....
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I agree with others that it is terrible that the video of "Buzz's press conference" is not permanently posted on GoMarquette.com. If anyone does know where to find the video of that, please do post it. It is a gem. After making a few of my non-MU buddies listen to it, they immediately fell in love with Buzz.
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If folks are so desperate to see it on GoMarquette.com, pickup the phone and call the athletic department. Good grief.
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Does anyone know the link to watch the interview where he answers Bob Ryans question?
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Don't mess with happy. Just about sums it all up.
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Don't mess with happy. Just about sums it all up.
;D
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There are around 6-9 programs that might be able to take him from us. Let me know when someone like: Texas, UNC, Duke, Indiana, Kentucky, Arizona, or UCLA come calling.
Everything else is a lateral move.
It's Indiana! It's Indiana!!
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No one else kind of thinks that posting the video on gomarquette.com would look a little pathetic?
"LOOK! LOOK! WE'RE A REAL PROGRAM! OUR COACH EVEN SAYS HE DOESN'T WANT TO LEAVE!"
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Well, sure, it's easy for him to say these things now. But what it a big job opens up in Big 12 country?
Oh, wait ....
If a school like Oklahoma, Arkansas, or Texas A&M called, he'd be gone in a heartbeat.
Seriously, though, I think this summer showed Buzz isn't going anywhere. Call me crazy, but I honestly think that if Coach K retired and Duke called up Buzz to be his replacement, he might just turn them down. What does Buzz really need? A high salary? He's got that. A place where he can recruit at a high level? Getting guys like Blue, Jamil, Juan, and Steve Taylor proves he's getting there. Great facilities? He's got them. Job security? He has more here already than he'd have at any school he went to. A good place to raise his family? Sounds like he has that too.
Maybe he's a great con artist and just has me fooled. But from what he's said, from the force with which he's said it, and from meeting him, he's got me convinced. He'll be here as long as we'll have him. I really truly believe that. And I don't think there's any "It's Indiana, It's Indiana", or "It's Kansas, It's Kansas", or "It's North Carolina, It's North Carolina", or even "It's Texas, It's Texas" coming from this guy. I honestly don't think there's a program in the country he'd leave here for.
As muwarrior69 quoted, "Don't mess with happy".
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No one else kind of thinks that posting the video on gomarquette.com would look a little pathetic?
"LOOK! LOOK! WE'RE A REAL PROGRAM! OUR COACH EVEN SAYS HE DOESN'T WANT TO LEAVE!"
The video we are referencing has nothing to do with Buzz saying he doesn't want to leave. It is Buzz's story on his path to being a Division 1 Head Coach - here is a link to the text of that story - which doesn't quite to it the justice the actual video of Buzz telling the story...which is what we want posted on MU site.
http://blog.chron.com/sportsjustice/2011/03/if-you-dont-like-marquette-coach-buzz-williams-now-you-will-after-reading-his-story/
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Loyalty ... the silliest word in sports.
When Buzz has a bad season or two - and just about all of them do, even Coach K, Knight, Lute Olson, Calhoun, etc. - will fans stay loyal to him? Will the school administration stay loyal to him and continue to demonstrate that in a tangible way ($$)?
When I was living in Illinois, fans were outraged when Bill Self left for Kansas. Disloyal! All they wanted was a guy who saw Illinois as a "destination" job, not a stepping-stone job. They got Bruce Weber, who quickly took them to a Final Four, gets them into the NCAAs almost every year, and wants only to coach at Illinois. But now a very vocal minority (or maybe even a majority) want him gone because he doesn't win enough.
I'm not saying any of the above is right or wrong. It's just how it is today. Had John Wooden and Coach K started coaching today instead of when they did, they never would have lasted long enough to become legends because they lost big early on.
So we beg for Buzz to be loyal to us ... all the while knowing we'd have no trouble being disloyal to him if he doesn't win enough.
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I want to see what happens to UConn, Cuse and Michigan St once their coaches are done. I dont think those programs can simply grab whoever they want, and instead will probably end up hiring from within the first time. Kansas, Kentucky and North Carolina are the only true blue-bloods. After that Indiana, UCLA and Duke, and then another drop off to the big state schools with strong bball commitment like Texas, Florida, Arizona, Syracuse, UConn, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, etc. Buzz will not leave for just everyone of those schools, but he could leave for a few. Whenever any of those schools goes looking, I would start to sweat a bit.
Ever hear of Magic Johnson?? Yes, MSU did have a very successfull program pre Izzo.
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Ever hear of Magic Johnson?? Yes, MSU did have a very successfull program pre Izzo.
Magic Johnson ... Greg Kelser ... Jay Vincent ... Scott Skiles ... Shawn Respert ... Steve Smith ... All coached by Jud Heathcoate, who was there for 19 years before Izzo. Had a successful reign there. They were "forced" to hire from within and got some guy named Izzo to take the job. There are some successful head coaches who were assistant coaches at MSU under Izzo. I would guess they will either hire from within or one of those coaches returns. Not a bad decision to make.
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Loyalty ... the silliest word in sports.
When Buzz has a bad season or two - and just about all of them do, even Coach K, Knight, Lute Olson, Calhoun, etc. - will fans stay loyal to him? Will the school administration stay loyal to him and continue to demonstrate that in a tangible way ($$)?
When I was living in Illinois, fans were outraged when Bill Self left for Kansas. Disloyal! All they wanted was a guy who saw Illinois as a "destination" job, not a stepping-stone job. They got Bruce Weber, who quickly took them to a Final Four, gets them into the NCAAs almost every year, and wants only to coach at Illinois. But now a very vocal minority (or maybe even a majority) want him gone because he doesn't win enough.
I'm not saying any of the above is right or wrong. It's just how it is today. Had John Wooden and Coach K started coaching today instead of when they did, they never would have lasted long enough to become legends because they lost big early on.
So we beg for Buzz to be loyal to us ... all the while knowing we'd have no trouble being disloyal to him if he doesn't win enough.
This is perfectly stated from a fan perspective.
Hopefully the administration has a better grasp on the realities of college basketball and don't run a successful coach out of town if he has a couple of "off" years.
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The video we are referencing has nothing to do with Buzz saying he doesn't want to leave. It is Buzz's story on his path to being a Division 1 Head Coach - here is a link to the text of that story - which doesn't quite to it the justice the actual video of Buzz telling the story...which is what we want posted on MU site.
http://blog.chron.com/sportsjustice/2011/03/if-you-dont-like-marquette-coach-buzz-williams-now-you-will-after-reading-his-story/
Okay, definitely fair. I thought we were talking about one of the "I'm sick of answering questions about my future, I'll stay till they have me," videos. Thanks for the link.
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Loyalty ... the silliest word in sports.
When Buzz has a bad season or two - and just about all of them do, even Coach K, Knight, Lute Olson, Calhoun, etc. - will fans stay loyal to him? Will the school administration stay loyal to him and continue to demonstrate that in a tangible way ($$)?
When I was living in Illinois, fans were outraged when Bill Self left for Kansas. Disloyal! All they wanted was a guy who saw Illinois as a "destination" job, not a stepping-stone job. They got Bruce Weber, who quickly took them to a Final Four, gets them into the NCAAs almost every year, and wants only to coach at Illinois. But now a very vocal minority (or maybe even a majority) want him gone because he doesn't win enough.
I'm not saying any of the above is right or wrong. It's just how it is today. Had John Wooden and Coach K started coaching today instead of when they did, they never would have lasted long enough to become legends because they lost big early on.
So we beg for Buzz to be loyal to us ... all the while knowing we'd have no trouble being disloyal to him if he doesn't win enough.
Terrific post. Those quickest to demand loyalty are often the slowest to give it.
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Loyalty ... the silliest word in sports.
When Buzz has a bad season or two - and just about all of them do, even Coach K, Knight, Lute Olson, Calhoun, etc. - will fans stay loyal to him? Will the school administration stay loyal to him and continue to demonstrate that in a tangible way ($$)?
When I was living in Illinois, fans were outraged when Bill Self left for Kansas. Disloyal! All they wanted was a guy who saw Illinois as a "destination" job, not a stepping-stone job. They got Bruce Weber, who quickly took them to a Final Four, gets them into the NCAAs almost every year, and wants only to coach at Illinois. But now a very vocal minority (or maybe even a majority) want him gone because he doesn't win enough.
I'm not saying any of the above is right or wrong. It's just how it is today. Had John Wooden and Coach K started coaching today instead of when they did, they never would have lasted long enough to become legends because they lost big early on.
So we beg for Buzz to be loyal to us ... all the while knowing we'd have no trouble being disloyal to him if he doesn't win enough.
You had me at hello, you lost me just before goodbye.
#1) Nobody is begging for Buzz to be loyal. Buzz is loyal; it's simply the case that no matter what he does, a small sect of fans are always going to be highly skeptical of whether he's actually going to stay.
#2) Aside from a few uber-passionate, knee-jerk fans, MU fans aren't exactly the type to call for someone's head after a bad season. 2003-2005 were the "dead" years, yet I recall most of us stuck by Crean (or at the very least, weren't calling for his immediate dismissal).
What's the downside of simply taking Buzz at his word and believing he'll be here for the long haul? That some Scooper 15 years from now is going to dig out an old post of you jumping on the bandwagon and shoving it in your face? That you're going to be heartbroken if your coach leaves, never to love again? That you're not a perfect judge of character?
Frankly, I think the downside of refusing to accept someone, after he's done everything he could possibly do to earn your trust, is much worse. I'm sure there are some people who were critical of Al to the very end - I'd like to know what those people have to say today.
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Magic Johnson ... Greg Kelser ... Jay Vincent ... Scott Skiles ... Shawn Respert ... Steve Smith ... All coached by Jud Heathcoate, who was there for 19 years before Izzo. Had a successful reign there. They were "forced" to hire from within and got some guy named Izzo to take the job. There are some successful head coaches who were assistant coaches at MSU under Izzo. I would guess they will either hire from within or one of those coaches returns. Not a bad decision to make.
How did MSU ever survive after Turtlehead took his steppin' stone job, aka Marquette?
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You had me at hello, you lost me just before goodbye.
#1) Nobody is begging for Buzz to be loyal. Buzz is loyal; it's simply the case that no matter what he does, a small sect of fans are always going to be highly skeptical of whether he's actually going to stay.
#2) Aside from a few uber-passionate, knee-jerk fans, MU fans aren't exactly the type to call for someone's head after a bad season. 2003-2005 were the "dead" years, yet I recall most of us stuck by Crean (or at the very least, weren't calling for his immediate dismissal).
What's the downside of simply taking Buzz at his word and believing he'll be here for the long haul? That some Scooper 15 years from now is going to dig out an old post of you jumping on the bandwagon and shoving it in your face? That you're going to be heartbroken if your coach leaves, never to love again? That you're not a perfect judge of character?
Frankly, I think the downside of refusing to accept someone, after he's done everything he could possibly do to earn your trust, is much worse. I'm sure there are some people who were critical of Al to the very end - I'd like to know what those people have to say today.
I was talking about college sports fans in general, not necessary MU fans. And the "we" in the final paragraph was the editorial "we."
Having said that, you made several outstanding points.
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What's the downside of simply taking Buzz at his word and believing he'll be here for the long haul? That some Scooper 15 years from now is going to dig out an old post of you jumping on the bandwagon and shoving it in your face? That you're going to be heartbroken if your coach leaves, never to love again? That you're not a perfect judge of character?
Frankly, I think the downside of refusing to accept someone, after he's done everything he could possibly do to earn your trust, is much worse. I'm sure there are some people who were critical of Al to the very end - I'd like to know what those people have to say today.
+1000. You can live your life as a miserable, cynical skeptic whose only brush with happiness is to tell others "I told you so" when people disappoint or you can take people (at least those who aren't obvious phonies) at their word and enjoy, knowing that if they let you down it's on them. Should be an easy choice, but not for some.
You're right about Al. Most people were fans, but he had his vocal detractors when he was coaching. Only after he retired did the "love" become universal among the MU faithful.