OT Memphis

[GoldenWarrior11]

I find it remarkable that Wiseman wasn't ruled ineligible as a JR in HS.  Penny paid $11,500 for his family to move to Memphis, the same time he  started playing for his AAU program. 

How did it cost $11,500 to move?  Did they move the entire house?  There was some serious shady stuff going on.

Memphis knew about this.  It's what they bought into, and what they desired, after firing Tubby Smith.  They wanted to get back to the Calipari-era at Memphis, and now will end up facing the same consequences that plagued the program with Derrick Rose - forfeited wins, likely probation, etc. 

I don't have much sympathy for West Tennessee State Teachers College.

[Earl Tatum]

CHEATERS. ONLY WAY THEY CAN WIN.

[MU82]

I find it remarkable that Wiseman wasn't ruled ineligible as a JR in HS.  Penny paid $11,500 for his family to move to Memphis, the same time he  started playing for his AAU program. 

How did it cost $11,500 to move?  Did they move the entire house?  There was some serious shady stuff going on.

Memphis knew about this.  It's what they bought into, and what they desired, after firing Tubby Smith.  They wanted to get back to the Calipari-era at Memphis, and now will end up facing the same consequences that plagued the program with Derrick Rose - forfeited wins, likely probation, etc. 

I don't have much sympathy for West Tennessee State Teachers College.

Yep.

[Dr. Blackheart]

The NCAA can’t be half pregnant...either pro or amateur.  The fact they came down on Memphis...yet Miller, Wade, Pearl, and Self continue to coach and recruit unabated is a complete sham. Pick one.

Still waiting for summer to end.

[real chili 83]

Lamest phrase ever.  Bad rules are bad rules.

Fluff, your rant in this thread is sooooo way off. We get that you have an opinion, but that’s all it is. 

TH should have known better.  He did know better. 

[brewcity77]

The NCAA can’t be half pregnant...either pro or amateur.  The fact they came down on Memphis...yet Miller, Wade, Pearl, and Self continue to coach and recruit unabated is a complete sham. Pick one.

Still waiting for summer to end.

Agreed. Ridiculous they've allowed those programs to skate so far.

[Billy Hoyle]

The NCAA can’t be half pregnant...either pro or amateur.  The fact they came down on Memphis...yet Miller, Wade, Pearl, and Self continue to coach and recruit unabated is a complete sham. Pick one.

Still waiting for summer to end.

Each of those programs who had the involved players suspended (if they were still on the team).  And, in case you (conveniently) forgot, the FBI has refused to share the information needed for the NCAA to nail those coaches.

[Cheeks]

I find it remarkable that Wiseman wasn't ruled ineligible as a JR in HS.  Penny paid $11,500 for his family to move to Memphis, the same time he  started playing for his AAU program. 

How did it cost $11,500 to move?  Did they move the entire house?  There was some serious shady stuff going on.

Memphis knew about this.  It's what they bought into, and what they desired, after firing Tubby Smith.  They wanted to get back to the Calipari-era at Memphis, and now will end up facing the same consequences that plagued the program with Derrick Rose - forfeited wins, likely probation, etc. 

I don't have much sympathy for West Tennessee State Teachers College.

When Disney paid for my move from Wisconsin to California more than 20 years ago, it was about $10K so I don’t think the amount in question for the move is that far off.

[Cheeks]

Agreed. Ridiculous they've allowed those programs to skate so far.

Sorry that it actually takes evidence and schools have the ability to respond, etc. 

On one hand people are screaming due process for athletes and then seem to be saying no due process for others.  The wheels of justice are slow.

[Cheeks]

Each of those programs who had the involved players suspended (if they were still on the team).  And, in case you (conveniently) forgot, the FBI has refused to share the information needed for the NCAA to nail those coaches.

+1000

[jonny09]

When Disney paid for my move from Wisconsin to California more than 20 years ago, it was about $10K so I don’t think the amount in question for the move is that far off.

Are you able to watch pac 12 games out there??

[Cheeks]

Are you able to watch pac 12 games out there??

I’m looking forward to Jayce playing for us, even though you said he sucked after all the Utah games you watched.

[jonny09]

Mainly because I live in California and watch the pac 12 frequently.  But that’s not relevant here.

[Cheeks]

Mainly because I live in California and watch the pac 12 frequently.  But that’s not relevant here.

I live in Calif, too....and I am looking forward to seeing how good JJ is despite your scouting assessment.

[lawdog77]

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[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

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Well written.

[lawdog77]

Well written.

If the NCAA did really know all of the facts, then I have flipped on this issue.

[rocket surgeon]

 are we just to believe wiseman did not know of hardaway's "act of kindness"? or did i miss the corroborating evidence other than the article stating as such?  i don't mean to be a cold hearted sob-trust but verify

[brewcity77]

What Doyel ignores is that Penny never should've recruited Wiseman to Memphis. Maybe the NCAA knew, but Penny also knew. Penny knew he was a booster, knew he had provided money to move the player, and knew that Wiseman's commitment to Memphis never would've happened if not the chain of events connecting him to Penny. Penny never should've gotten involved with Wiseman once he took the Memphis job. Wiseman may be innocent, but Hardaway most certainly is not.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

What Doyel ignores is that Penny never should've recruited Wiseman to Memphis. Maybe the NCAA knew, but Penny also knew. Penny knew he was a booster, knew he had provided money to move the player, and knew that Wiseman's commitment to Memphis never would've happened if not the chain of events connecting him to Penny. Penny never should've gotten involved with Wiseman once he took the Memphis job. Wiseman may be innocent, but Hardaway most certainly is not.

He didn’t ignore it. He addressed it directly.

[forgetful]

are we just to believe wiseman did not know of hardaway's "act of kindness"? or did i miss the corroborating evidence other than the article stating as such?  i don't mean to be a cold hearted sob-trust but verify

That is the go to excuse for all of the athletes. I didn't know my parents were given suitcases full of cash by the school I agreed to play for.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

That is the go to excuse for all of the athletes. I didn't know my parents were given suitcases full of cash by the school I agreed to play for.

It’s not really relevant since the NCAA knew about it and declared him eligible anyway.

[forgetful]

It’s not really relevant since the NCAA knew about it and declared him eligible anyway.

And when the NCAA was alerted to the details surrounding the loan, in May, Memphis agreed to a joint review of the matter with the NCAA that proceeded over the past several months.

The result of that joint review was that he was ineligible.

Rules were violated. Fact.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

And when the NCAA was alerted to the details surrounding the loan, in May, Memphis agreed to a joint review of the matter with the NCAA that proceeded over the past several months.

The result of that joint review was that he was ineligible.

Rules were violated. Fact.

NCAA has discretion. Fact.

Should have used it. Fact.

[forgetful]

NCAA has discretion. Fact.

Should have used it. Opinion.

Fixed it for you. And 100% disagree. There was zero reason to use discretion here.