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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MuggsyB on December 04, 2022, 08:51:41 AM
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Slot me in the camp of being a bit dumbfounded that Ross sat essentially the rest of the game after his 4th foul. I'm just wondering what Scoopers think in general about ways to close under 5 mins moving forward? I suppose this is a game by game decision but as a rule would you rather have a better offensive or defensive player on the floor in a tight contest down the stretch? Or do you sub like crazy for O/D?
As a side note I believe Mitchell is a much better offensive player than he's showing right now. A lot of this is a confidence issue. I would get him more opportunities early in games.
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Slot me as shocked after all this time you are still surprised that coaches ride their experienced players at crunch time.
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Thought Shaka could have been a little more courageous down the stretch and got Ross and S Jones in there. Mitchell did a good job on Hepburn in the second half but the team was very gassed in OT as evidenced in part by the wide open missed threes. They both seemed like they really came to play as well and I don’t think we would have seen a talent drop with them in there. Their time will come.
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Slot me as shocked after all this time you are still surprised that coaches ride their experienced players at crunch time.
Experience is not the be all or end all.
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Experience is not the be all or end all.
His point is that you shouldn't be "dumbfounded" by this. Coaches go with experience in crunch time all the time.
Should Shaka have in this case? Well, it got us there so I get it. Not sure the results would have been different otherwise.
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Ross had it going in thr first half. He somewhat kept us in the game with his 8 pts. I get these decisions are not black snd white and are fluid but I think I would have rolled the dice in this particular situation. Hopefully Stevie will find some confidence because it puts us in a real pickle in a tight game. They won't guard him to the 3pt line or really worry about him making a play off the dribble. We have five guards that are all capable of being effective and productive. The question is how to best utilize their talents and who to play down the stretch game to game.
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Slot me in the camp of being a bit dumbfounded that Ross sat essentially the rest of the game after his 4th foul. I'm just wondering what Scoopers think in general about ways to close under 5 mins moving forward? I suppose this is a game by game decision but as a rule would you rather have a better offensive or defensive player on the floor in a tight contest down the stretch? Or do you sub like crazy for O/D?
As a side note I believe Mitchell is a much better offensive player than he's showing right now. A lot of this is a confidence issue. I would get him more opportunities early in games.
Ross made a big mistake getting a charged called on him instead of passing off the ball on a two man fast break. I assume this is why he was benched. If so, I think Shaka did the right thing. I love Ross, but I all for Shaka teaching him a lesson.
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Ross made a big mistake getting a charged called on him instead of passing off the ball on a two man fast break. I assume this is why he was benched. If so, I think Shaka did the right thing. I love Ross, but I all for Shaka teaching him a lesson.
Chase just wanted to dunk in dudes head and make the place explode.
Sometimes emotions get the best of us
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Exciting freshman got amped. C'est la vie.
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Ross made a big mistake getting a charged called on him instead of passing off the ball on a two man fast break. I assume this is why he was benched. If so, I think Shaka did the right thing. I love Ross, but I all for Shaka teaching him a lesson.
He should have given that up for sure. We need someone other than Kam to consistently make some J's. OMax had an off day and Kolek only took one three yesterday. Wisky was an inferno in the first half including 2 unconscionable shots by Hepburn. They absolutely earned the W. That said I really think we let one get away once we had opportunities to make it a two possession game before the ot's.
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Unless Mitchell starts hitting some shots, I would think Ross might move ahead of him and get starting time.
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I'm pretty sure that Shaka didn't pull Chase for the rest of the game to teach him a lesson. I think he simply went with who he thought were the best options. Some Scoopers disagree. Such is life.
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Unless Mitchell starts hitting some shots, I would think Ross might move ahead of him and get starting time.
I love the kid but Stevie is such a minus on the offensive end. Can't shoot it very well, and not strong enough of a ballhandler to beat guys off the bounce.
He's a perfect 6th or 7th guy
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I love the kid but Stevie is such a minus on the offensive end. Can't shoot it very well, and not strong enough of a ballhandler to beat guys off the bounce.
He's a perfect 6th or 7th guy
Exactly. Stevie has had many open looks lately, and has not taken advantage of those open opportunities. Have to start knocking down some threes. Curious why
Joplin has not taken the next step to beat him out either. I do like that Shaka has players that possibly can take the next step, time will tell. I know that Shaka loves
the kid, great student as well. At least he made the lay-up at the end of the game.
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I think Stevie will continue to start because Shaka likes bringing Chase and Sean off the bench together. But we will see what happens in crunch time as the season progresses.
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I love the kid but Stevie is such a minus on the offensive end. Can't shoot it very well, and not strong enough of a ballhandler to beat guys off the bounce.
He's a perfect 6th or 7th guy
It's also worth noting that Joplin almost single handedly kept us in the Purdue game. He's probably our 2nd best pure scorer but pretty poor defensively. What 5 do you go with down the stretch in a tight game or is it too early to tell and situational?
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I love the kid but Stevie is such a minus on the offensive end. Can't shoot it very well, and not strong enough of a ballhandler to beat guys off the bounce.
He's a perfect 6th or 7th guy
Same I love what Stevie brings on defense but I think we may just simply have more talent on the bench. Personally, I think S Jones should be ahead of Mitchell and Kolek. Again, not a knock on Kolek or Mitchell, I just think Jones is a higher level player than either of them.
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What have you seen so far?
Now, a criticism of Shaka I have not yet seen is that he had Joplin on the court with 3.5 seconds left. Setting the screen for TK. Talk about a waste.
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Lost in this discussion is that what really hurt yesterday is that Klesmit, Essigan, and McGee had 30 pts. Obviously Hepburn went bananas and Wahl played well but that trio getting 30 is infuriating.
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Congrats to McGee scoring his first points as a badger. Pretty sure he did not show up on the scout.
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Will Wrightsil be back?
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Will Wrighsil be back?
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What has he shown you so far?
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What has he shown you so far?
He hasn't gotten much pt. I dunno...he's got some skills.
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Unless Mitchell starts hitting some shots, I would think Ross might move ahead of him and get starting time.
Agreed. Mitchell is not comfortable on offense at all. Teams are daring him to even touch the ball.
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Same I love what Stevie brings on defense but I think we may just simply have more talent on the bench. Personally, I think S Jones should be ahead of Mitchell and Kolek. Again, not a knock on Kolek or Mitchell, I just think Jones is a higher level player than either of them.
I’d rate the likelihood of Kolek being taken out of the starting lineup as down near 0%. The same with him not getting the majority of PT at PG. So you can wear yourself out thinking about it, but you might as well spend your time thinking about you getting together with Scarlett Johansson.
As the season goes on, if Sean outplays and outworks Stevie in practice and games, I suppose that could happen.
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Agreed. Mitchell is not comfortable on offense at all. Teams are daring him to even touch the ball.
The less I see from Stevie on the offensive end, the more I wonder if he ends up the odd man out at the end of the year. He's just a non-factor.
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The less I see from Stevie on the offensive end, the more I wonder if he ends up the odd man out at the end of the year. He's just a non-factor.
Less of a factor than Ellis?
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Ross made a big mistake getting a charged called on him instead of passing off the ball on a two man fast break. I assume this is why he was benched. If so, I think Shaka did the right thing. I love Ross, but I all for Shaka teaching him a lesson.
It was a 2 on 1 break. I was disappointed that Sean Jones broke to the right corner to spot up for three instead of the right block. If he’s tighter the defender would have been caught in between and either Ross dunks or Sean gets a layup. With Sean in the corner the defender locked in on Ross and drew the charge.
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Less of a factor than Ellis?
The injured guy who's planning on redshirting?
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The injured guy who's planning on redshirting?
Yes.
Hard to say Mitchell is less of a factor than a guy who played less than Mitchell last year when healthy and hasn't played a single second in his year 2.
Mitchell is averaging 22 minutes a game and is 6th on the team in scoring, 9 starts in 9 games, and arguably the best on ball defender the team has.
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Less of a factor than Ellis?
Who’s less important, Mitchell, Ellis or iggy the eagle ?
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Yes.
Hard to say Mitchell is less of a factor than a guy who played less than Mitchell last year when healthy and hasn't played a single second in his year 2.
Mitchell is averaging 22 minutes a game and is 6th on the team in scoring, 9 starts in 9 games, and arguably the best on ball defender the team has.
...he hasn't played because he's injured. He's likely going to have three years remaining after this year. Is the plan for him to leave? Possibly. But if Ross and Sean continue to improve, they'll pass Stevie on the depth chart unless he figures out how to score. And with only two years left, Stevie may not want to just be a defensive specialist.
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...he hasn't played because he's injured. He's likely going to have three years remaining after this year. Is the plan for him to leave? Possibly. But if Ross and Sean continue to improve, they'll pass Stevie on the depth chart unless he figures out how to score. And with only two years left, Stevie may not want to just be a defensive specialist.
Both Ross and Jones (Sean) are also defense 1st guards.
The offense is nearly top 30 in America with Stevie having started all 9.
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Jesus, anyone who thinks Mitchell is a "non-factor" does not know ball. On the offensive end, sure but the kid is our second best defender.
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Jesus, anyone who thinks Mitchell is a "non-factor" does not know ball. On the offensive end, sure but the kid is our second best defender.
And also a starter for a borderline top 30 offense in the country.
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Both Ross and Jones (Sean) are also defense 1st guards.
The offense is nearly top 30 in America with Stevie having started all 9.
Defenses have begun (correctly) daring Stevie to shoot. If he's not able to make them regret it moving forward then that's going to be a problem.
And TAMU, I should've said nonfactor offensively. Stevie's a very good defender.
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Defenses have begun (correctly) daring Stevie to shoot. If he's not able to make them regret it moving forward then that's going to be a problem.
And TAMU, I should've said nonfactor offensively. Stevie's a very good defender.
Steve is shooting more efficiently from 3 and the FT line in comparison to S. Jones.
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Steve is shooting more efficiently from 3 and the FT line in comparison to S. Jones.
And from what I've seen, I have more faith in the freshman improving than the sophomore. As S. Jones improves, his ability to get to the hole will get him PT so long as he's still getting it done on D. At this point, I hope Stevie improves offensively. I think he's capable. But either way, he's going to need to. He can't be a nonfactor on offense forever.
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I think Mitchell is capable of getting out of his funk/slump. Ar the same time would you rather have an offensive player in the game to close the show or a defensive player on the perimeter? The way I see it now is that TK, KJ. OMP, and OI will be on the floor. The decision once we ger deeper into the season will be Mitchell, Ross, or Joplin, how their mins are distributed, and who plays in the clutch.
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Stevie scored OK in HS. Could be a mental block like Oso has on FT's lately. I bet he works it through.
Sean is more of a threat to take his spot than Jop because Sean is a better defender.
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It was a 2 on 1 break. I was disappointed that Sean Jones broke to the right corner to spot up for three instead of the right block. If he’s tighter the defender would have been caught in between and either Ross dunks or Sean gets a layup. With Sean in the corner the defender locked in on Ross and drew the charge.
Wrong, Ross messed that up.
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Wrong, Ross messed that up.
So he should’ve kicked to the corner 3?
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So he should’ve kicked to the corner 3?
Have you ever been a guard? There was no one to guard him he could have had a
layup, you don't stay close on a fast break, helps the D. Sean could drive with his quickness or taken the open shot up to him, but the Ross out of control penetration was an offensive foul you could see a mile away.
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Best way to close under 5 minutes is to make your wide-open threes and not have your opponent hit 35-foot step-back off-balance threes. Either that, or have Jop's 75-footer hit the backboard 6 inches lower.
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Have you ever been a guard? There was no one to guard him he could have had a
layup, you don't stay close on a fast break, helps the D. Sean could drive with his quickness or taken the open shot up to him, but the Ross out of control penetration was an offensive foul you could see a mile away.
Yes, I’ve been a guard. I understand spacing.
Are you saying that the best spacing on a 2 on 1 break if ball attacks the basket from the left is for the other offensive player to run to the right corner for a three?
Chase got the defensive rebound at the free throw line, cruised past half court with the ball and attacked the left block. Sean was moving with him and it was clearly a 2 on 1 break when they crossed half court. If Sean fills the fast break lane just to the right of the paint, then Klesmit would’ve been on an island and would’ve had to hedge his defense between the two players. Makes Ross’s angle better to either finish himself or dump to Sean for an easy layup if Klesmit over commits.
Instead, Sean ran to the corner and the 2 on 1 break became a 1 on 1. Klesmit played good 1 on 1 defense and drew a charge.
Go back and watch. 9:47 mark.
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Yes, I’ve been a guard. I understand spacing.
Are you saying that the best spacing on a 2 on 1 break if ball attacks the basket from the left is for the other offensive player to run to the right corner for a three?
Chase got the defensive rebound at the free throw line, cruised past half court with the ball and attacked the left block. Sean was moving with him and it was clearly a 2 on 1 break when they crossed half court. If Sean fills the fast break lane just to the right of the paint, then Klesmit would’ve been on an island and would’ve had to hedge his defense between the two players. Makes Ross’s angle better to either finish himself or dump to Sean for an easy layup if Klesmit over commits.
Instead, Sean ran to the corner and the 2 on 1 break became a 1 on 1. Klesmit played good 1 on 1 defense and drew a charge.
Go back and watch. 9:47 mark.
The open man curls from the wing, the lone D has to make a choice, normally tries to take a charge, his best bet. If Ross stops and passes the ball to Sean D ends up out of position. Ross went on an uncontrolled penetration, wrong play. I'll leave at that. Believe whatever you want to believe but it was a terrible play by Ross.
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The open man curls from the wing, the lone D has to make a choice, normally tries to take a charge, his best bet. If Ross stops and passes the ball to Sean D ends up out of position. Ross went on an uncontrolled penetration, wrong play. I'll leave at that. Believe whatever you want to believe but it was a terrible play by Ross.
Right. Ross didn't face a binary choice in this circumstance. There are things he could have done no matter where Sean went.
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The open man curls from the wing, the lone D has to make a choice, normally tries to take a charge, his best bet. If Ross stops and passes the ball to Sean D ends up out of position. Ross went on an uncontrolled penetration, wrong play. I'll leave at that. Believe whatever you want to believe but it was a terrible play by Ross.
Open man curls from the wing to where?
Sean went from just right of the half court circle and curled to corner three point line.
I believe that is not the best way to run a 2 on 1 break.
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Open man curls from the wing to where?
Sean went from just right of the half court circle and curled to corner three point line.
I believe that is not the best way to run a 2 on 1 break.
Towards the basket, Ross passes when Sean is mid way and now the D has to make a choice cover Sean or Ross. One of the 2 will be open. That is the way to run a 2 on 1 press. Sean didn't just stop at 3 pt line. You curl, when I played there was no 3 pt line and we were shown to come from side or wing. Make lone D guy make a decision. But seriously not debating this any longer.
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Towards the basket, Ross passes when Sean is mid way and now the D has to make a choice cover Sean or Ross. One of the 2 will be open. That is the way to run a 2 on 1 press. Sean didn't just stop at 3 pt line. You curl, when I played there was no 3 pt line and we were shown to come from side or wing. Make lone D guy make a decision. But seriously not debating this any longer.
Exactly, towards the basket. You either end up getting a pass or cleaning up a rebound.
No, Sean didn’t just stop when at the 3pt line. He ran away from the ball and the basket. He ran to the corner. Making a bad angle for a potential pass from Ross and further away.
Made Klesmits decision easier on D. He zeroed in on Ross, begging him to throw the ball to the corner while he got in position for a charge.
Sure Ross had other choices. Coulda pulled up from 3, pulled up mid range or just pulled the ball back out. All bad results in my mind on a 2 on 1 break.
I’m saying if Sean runs to the right spot, towards the basket in your words, then MU gets 2 pts from either Chase or Sean on that break. He turned a 2 on 1 break into 1 on 1 making Ross’ decision harder than it needed to be.
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Exactly, towards the basket. You either end up getting a pass or cleaning up a rebound.
No, Sean didn’t just stop when at the 3pt line. He ran away from the ball and the basket. He ran to the corner. Making a bad angle for a potential pass from Ross and further away.
Made Klesmits decision easier on D. He zeroed in on Ross, begging him to throw the ball to the corner while he got in position for a charge.
Sure Ross had other choices. Coulda pulled up from 3, pulled up mid range or just pulled the ball back out. All bad results in my mind on a 2 on 1 break.
I’m saying if Sean runs to the right spot, towards the basket in your words, then MU gets 2 pts from either Chase or Sean on that break. He turned a 2 on 1 break into 1 on 1 making Ross’ decision harder than it needed to be.
Ok cool rant you won I lost, period....Sean's fault
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Ok cool rant you won I lost, period....Sean's fault
Another toolish response following up on:
“Wrong”
“Have you ever played guard”
You could just open your mind to a nuance of a play that you didn’t notice.
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Another toolish response following up on:
“Wrong”
“Have you ever played guard”
You could just open your mind to a nuance of a play that you didn’t notice.
Beautiful
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Exactly, towards the basket. You either end up getting a pass or cleaning up a rebound.
No, Sean didn’t just stop when at the 3pt line. He ran away from the ball and the basket. He ran to the corner. Making a bad angle for a potential pass from Ross and further away.
Made Klesmits decision easier on D. He zeroed in on Ross, begging him to throw the ball to the corner while he got in position for a charge.
Sure Ross had other choices. Coulda pulled up from 3, pulled up mid range or just pulled the ball back out. All bad results in my mind on a 2 on 1 break.
I’m saying if Sean runs to the right spot, towards the basket in your words, then MU gets 2 pts from either Chase or Sean on that break. He turned a 2 on 1 break into 1 on 1 making Ross’ decision harder than it needed to be.
Sean just didn't run to the three line as an error. He is taught that in Nevada's offense. Blame the coaching staff then.
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Sean just didn't run to the three line as an error. He is taught that in Nevada's offense. Blame the coaching staff then.
Yeah, I guess that thought scares me a little.
But it seems like they’ve finished off a whole lot of conventional 2 on 1 breaks last year and so far this season. Like if Sean stayed a little tighter it would’ve been Ross to Sean and back to Ross for an ally oop dunk. Pretty sure we’ve seen a bunch of those since Nevada’s been here.
That play put Ross on the bench with 4 fouls. Don’t think Sean played much more after that either.
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Stevie's offense definitely bears monitoring the rest of the year. Great defender, but subpar as both a shooter and finisher at the rim.
Sean and Chase are better as freshman than Stevie was. Both can finish much better around the rim. Chase can make plays above the rim and even flashes potential as a shooter (9-11 FT, 6-18 3fg). And Sean has electric speed that
can break down a defense.
As they gain experience, I expect they will pass Stevie by, either this year or next.
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I actually think Stevie is a fine finisher at the rim he just doesn't get a lot of opportunities there. Honestly the entire team minus Kolek is solid to very good at finishing at the rim. The three point shooting has also improved team wide to 34.6% which is plenty good.
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In Shaka I trust....
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Kolek has to be on the court most of the time to run the offense. Sean Jones may be that guy in the future, but not now or anytime this year. His job is to let Kolek get some rest and bring some energy, and he is doing it very well. You have to pair Kolek with Kam Jones just to have some shooting. So, it really is a question of Mitchell or Ross for the third spot. Stevie is a better on-ball defender but Chase is pretty good too and a better all-around player - will get an occasional rebound, can shoot a bit, and can take the ball to the rim. If Ross doesn't pass Mitchell this season, he will next year for sure. Shaka is sort of stuck with the three-guard lineup this year simply because Joplin plays such poor defense.
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Kolek has to be on the court most of the time to run the offense. Sean Jones may be that guy in the future, but not now or anytime this year. His job is to let Kolek get some rest and bring some energy, and he is doing it very well. You have to pair Kolek with Kam Jones just to have some shooting. So, it really is a question of Mitchell or Ross for the third spot. Stevie is a better on-ball defender but Chase is pretty good too and a better all-around player - will get an occasional rebound, can shoot a bit, and can take the ball to the rim. If Ross doesn't pass Mitchell this season, he will next year for sure. Shaka is sort of stuck with the three-guard lineup this year simply because Joplin plays such poor defense.
Being in the arena, it never felt like Marquette was going to win. Even when we got a late lead it felt like something was always coming from UW.
That being said, I would have liked to see how the game played out had MU ran more through Oso. He had the 2nd bucket of the game for MU on a drive past their big fella and it looked like he could have done that all game. Obviously when you're down 16 like we were in the 2nd half you kinda have to go away from Oso to get get 3s on the board but maybe running through him would have avoided the deficit in the 1st place. Offense wasn't really the issue though so it is hard to say.
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I actually think Stevie is a fine finisher at the rim he just doesn't get a lot of opportunities there. Honestly the entire team minus Kolek is solid to very good at finishing at the rim. The three point shooting has also improved team wide to 34.6% which is plenty good.
Stevie is shooting 56% at the rim. Second lowest on the team. Ok, but not great.
Sean Jones is shooting 64% and Chase Ross 71%. The sample size is still pretty small, so I will continue tracking this throughout the season.
But Stevie also lags behind both in FT rate.
Sean 44.7 (2nd on team)
Chase 30.6 (t-3rd on team)
Stevie 25.9 (7th on team)
Stevie's great on defense, but his offense has left a lot to be desired. Hopefully he turns it around and proves me wrong.
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Being in the arena, it never felt like Marquette was going to win. Even when we got a late lead it felt like something was always coming from UW.
That being said, I would have liked to see how the game played out had MU ran more through Oso. He had the 2nd bucket of the game for MU on a drive past their big fella and it looked like he could have done that all game. Obviously when you're down 16 like we were in the 2nd half you kinda have to go away from Oso to get get 3s on the board but maybe running through him would have avoided the deficit in the 1st place. Offense wasn't really the issue though so it is hard to say.
Besides Stevie, how long before teams start leaving Oso alone when he's at the high post? I know he's hitting 65% from the floor, but his makes are all layups and dunks. He is a poor shooter outside 5-6 feet or so. I'd start playing him very soft away from the backet if I were an MU opponent, dare him to take the 12 footer.
That would take away his ability to hit the cutter and lessen his ability to drive.
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Besides Stevie, how long before teams start leaving Oso alone when he's at the high post? I know he's hitting 65% from the floor, but his makes are all layups and dunks. He is a poor shooter outside 5-6 feet or so. I'd start playing him very soft away from the backet if I were an MU opponent, dare him to take the 12 footer.
That would take away his ability to hit the cutter and lessen his ability to drive.
Probably never because Marquette has 2 elite shooters in Kam and Joplin that can come off a no-help screen and drill 3s at will if left open continuously. In addition to that they have a handful of other capable shooters and some elite attackers in Kolek and Sean than can come off a no help screen downhill to do major damage.
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Right now, hack-an-Oso is a legit option.
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Kolek has to be on the court most of the time to run the offense.
I think either Kolek or Oso should be out there. Sean is fine if Oso is there as the secondary creator. Sean is also fine alongside Kolek. But in critical moments, Sean needs one of them out there with him.
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Sean just didn't run to the three line as an error. He is taught that in Nevada's offense. Blame the coaching staff then.
Watch NBA games, this type of fast break is the norm.
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Sean Jones and Chase Ross need to play more...
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They are playing plenty for freshmen. Both making the most of Wrightsil's absence.
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Sean Jones and Chase Ross need to play more...
Agree.
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Watching the replay of the Wisconsin game. What happened to our defense? Thought that was Shamans strong suit. And we couldn't make layups. And we were out rebounded. And out coached.
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Watching the replay of the Wisconsin game. What happened to our defense? Thought that was Shamans strong suit. And we couldn't make layups. And we were out rebounded. And out coached.
Remember the good old days when you criticized fellow Scoopers for being negative and sarcastic "Debbie Downers"?
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Sean Jones and Chase Ross need to play more...
I love their potential and growth already this season. But they "need to play more" with who playing less?
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Remember the good old days when you criticized fellow Scoopers for being negative and sarcastic "Debbie Downers"?
Don't feed the mopes
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Watching the replay of the Wisconsin game. What happened to our defense? Thought that was Shamans strong suit. And we couldn't make layups. And we were out rebounded. And out coached.
Terrible D, couldn’t make a lay up, couldn’t rebound and were out coached and the game went to OT. Just think, if we played just a little D, made some lay ups, got some rebounds and coached at the Greg Gard level we would have won by 30+. You must be pretty encouraged.
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Terrible D, couldn’t make a lay up, couldn’t rebound and were out coached and the game went to OT. Just think, if we played just a little D, made some lay ups, got some rebounds and coached at the Greg Gard level we would have won by 30+. You must be pretty encouraged.
Ha! Well said Lenny.
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Besides Stevie, how long before teams start leaving Oso alone when he's at the high post? I know he's hitting 65% from the floor, but his makes are all layups and dunks. He is a poor shooter outside 5-6 feet or so. I'd start playing him very soft away from the backet if I were an MU opponent, dare him to take the 12 footer.
That would take away his ability to hit the cutter and lessen his ability to drive.
That playing off a guy strategy works well with smaller players or players who cant dribble. If you play off Oso too much he can drive the lane and score easy because he is big. You can do it on Kolek because he struggles finishing in the lane. Not Oso.
I would agree I would foul Oso tho anytime he has a decent shot at the basket. Esp later in game. I think his FT shooting will cost us a game.
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After watching the game last night, it is apparent to me that Chase Ross should be getting more of Stevie Mitchell's minutes. Stevie is a really good on-ball defender - really good. But, on offense, he is a problem right now. Ross, on the other hand, just plays with an energy and enthusiasm that you have to love. He is a good defender and better offensive player than Stevie. Over the course of the year, I look forward to watching Ross getting better and better. Don't misunderstand, I love Stevie Mitchell as a player; he is a very valuable asset. But, I think I like Ross getting more of his minutes.
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After watching the game last night, it is apparent to me that Chase Ross should be getting more of Stevie Mitchell's minutes. Stevie is a really good on-ball defender - really good. But, on offense, he is a problem right now. Ross, on the other hand, just plays with an energy and enthusiasm that you have to love. He is a good defender and better offensive player than Stevie. Over the course of the year, I look forward to watching Ross getting better and better. Don't misunderstand, I love Stevie Mitchell as a player; he is a very valuable asset. But, I think I like Ross getting more of his minutes.
Stevie had 9 points in 22 minutes on 3 makes.
Ross had 8 points in 21 minutes on 3 makes.
I'd say they're pretty equivalent in value. Neither are going to light up a scoreboard, both can impact the game in a major way. Stevie does it by disrupting the primary ballhandler and cutting to the rim offensively, Chase does it by playing passing lanes and getting out in transition. Good mix.
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I think they are fine with in the roles they currently play. Stevie helps set a defensive tone early. Chase has energy and athleticism, but can be foul prone. Projecting that increased minutes means increased production isn't always accurate.
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After watching the game last night, it is apparent to me that Chase Ross should be getting more of Stevie Mitchell's minutes. Stevie is a really good on-ball defender - really good. But, on offense, he is a problem right now. Ross, on the other hand, just plays with an energy and enthusiasm that you have to love. He is a good defender and better offensive player than Stevie. Over the course of the year, I look forward to watching Ross getting better and better. Don't misunderstand, I love Stevie Mitchell as a player; he is a very valuable asset. But, I think I like Ross getting more of his minutes.
That is just not true. In our 4 biggest games so far this year, Chase Ross has a 64.4 ORTG with low usage. He has a 30% TO rate. No assists in those games. He has a 6% assist rate in all games this year.
When Chase Ross is in the game, Marquette has an Adjusted Team Offensive Efficiency of 104.8. That is the lowest among the 9 guys who play on the team.
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Right now, Chase is a pretty low usage guy. Will shoot treys, but only 30% this year.
The majority of his 2FGM are dunks — mostly in transition.
In the 4 games jfp61 is referring to, he has just one dunk…
Brings a fun element to the floor, but his game will greatly expand in the future… not quite ready yet imho
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Chase is filling his role well. Bringing energy off the bench. Stevie is filling his role well, too. I do not see Chase starting over Stevie this season.
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Interesting numbers from Evan Miya. Stevie is the 208th most valuable player in the country in his minutes on the court.
Marquette ranked 30th as a team has some promising looking numbers overall.
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Interesting numbers from Evan Miya. Stevie is the 208th most valuable player in the country in his minutes on the court.
Marquette ranked 30th as a team has some promising looking numbers overall.
That is interesting. Thanks for providing.
A little surprised that Kam ranks so poorly defensively, as the eye test (and even Shaka's pluadits) suggest he has improved a lot on that end. Similarly surprised about O-Max's defensive number. But otherwise, the numbers support what we pretty much know -- Oso and Kolek are our most important players, with O-Max up there, too.
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That is interesting. Thanks for providing.
A little surprised that Kam ranks so poorly defensively, as the eye test (and even Shaka's pluadits) suggest he has improved a lot on that end. Similarly surprised about O-Max's defensive number. But otherwise, the numbers support what we pretty much know -- Oso and Kolek are our most important players, with O-Max up there, too.
Could be a simple case of numbers don't tell the whole story. Kam (from the eyetest) has appeared to amp up the defense the past few games. Really active with his feet. As far as OMax goes, he just does so much defensively with different presses, matchups, etc. that his number doesn't concern me. I guess it is something we can monitor and see if the computers start to match the eye test!
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That is interesting. Thanks for providing.
A little surprised that Kam ranks so poorly defensively, as the eye test (and even Shaka's pluadits) suggest he has improved a lot on that end. Similarly surprised about O-Max's defensive number. But otherwise, the numbers support what we pretty much know -- Oso and Kolek are our most important players, with O-Max up there, too.
Kam has been solid defensively the last few games. He was BAD to start the season
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Kam has been solid defensively the last few games. He was BAD to start the season
Thanks.
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Could be a simple case of numbers don't tell the whole story. Kam (from the eyetest) has appeared to amp up the defense the past few games. Really active with his feet. As far as OMax goes, he just does so much defensively with different presses, matchups, etc. that his number doesn't concern me. I guess it is something we can monitor and see if the computers start to match the eye test!
On the season, Kam Jones is a worse defender than was anticipated, but he is still a mildly better defender than his was last year.
Kam numerically on EvanMiya hasn't improved defensively over the past ten days, he got worse. BUT, the rest of our players have taken larger steps back (the starters and Joplin minus Stevie). This is mostly Chucky Hepburn's fault.
Kam is the most improved player in the last 10 days. He really turned his season around as of late.