Last Jedi *SPOILER* thread

[🏀]

I hate how Kylo Ren is such a bad guy.  Like evil bad.  Sort of like Darth Vader.... like really, that bad.

Why can’t movies just be filled with multi-dimensional good guys?  Why have bad characters in movies at all?  You can still get the PG13 rating with a couple topless women, so why can’t everyone just be nice, and naked?  But not too naked. 

+100%. More boobs.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Alright finally saw it. Again I'm the worst movie critic ever so bear with me.

1. Leia flying through space was so, so, dumb. I mean hell, I'm a big Doctor Who fan and can suspend disbelief about space more than most, but that was just silly.

2. I really hope that they stick with the fact that Rey's parents were nobodies. Lineage isn't everything.

3. Don't get the John Boyega/Finn hate. Really enjoyed Finn in TFA. Think they kinda let us story go in TLJ because of the Luke return.

[mu03eng]

Just out of curiosity, how come?

And I mean only slightly insultingly, because he is the ultimate millennial. He can make a great speech, but has zero competency when it comes to what he is doing. I loved the Poe/Hux interchange because it showed what a moron Hux is. What galls me more than anything is that Hux would long be dead if he worked for Vader. Admiral Ozzel brought the fleet out of hyperspace too close to the system....Hux made about a billion tactical mistakes in TFA and the evacuation of D'Qar and survives. Just a stupid character to have such prominence, for f'ingsake how did the First Order take over the galaxy with this clown show in charge?

[Galway Eagle]

Anybody thinking the next one might be the next movie to be split into a pt1 and pt2 finale? The way the last Harry Potter, the last hunger games, twilight (they should have just not made those movies).

[wisblue]

Anybody thinking the next one might be the next movie to be split into a pt1 and pt2 finale? The way the last Harry Potter, the last hunger games, twilight (they should have just not made those movies).

I would guess not.

Disney has already announced that they are doing another trilogy that will explore a different part of the galaxy and be outside of the Skywalker saga. They can get their audiences and money without dragging out this particular sub story.

[drewm88]

Anybody thinking the next one might be the next movie to be split into a pt1 and pt2 finale? The way the last Harry Potter, the last hunger games, twilight (they should have just not made those movies).

Those were based on books that were deemed too long (and too profitable) to cover in one film.

IX will be based on a script written for the movie. I don't think it's getting split.

Also, they did the same for Divergent. Third movie did so poorly they held off on the 4th and are instead trying to make it a TV show, but the lead actress has pulled out. Not necessarily relevant for this conversation, but a hilarious result for an attempted money grab.

[Benny B]

And I mean only slightly insultingly, because he is the ultimate millennial. He can make a great speech, but has zero competency when it comes to what he is doing. I loved the Poe/Hux interchange because it showed what a moron Hux is. What galls me more than anything is that Hux would long be dead if he worked for Vader. Admiral Ozzel brought the fleet out of hyperspace too close to the system....Hux made about a billion tactical mistakes in TFA and the evacuation of D'Qar and survives. Just a stupid character to have such prominence, for f'ingsake how did the First Order take over the galaxy with this clown show in charge?

On top of that, I hear that Hux's favorite Christmas song is "Baby, It's Cold Outside"

[mu03eng]

On top of that, I hear that Hux's favorite Christmas song is "Baby, It's Cold Outside"

He also repurposed Vader's hyperbaric chamber and turned it into a safe space.

[CreightonWarrior]

Leia in space was lowest point although I read the reason they didn't kill her off was because Johnson thought it would be disrespectful to her and legacy with Star Wars to waste all the footage they had of her.

That being said, I do think she's done and would probably wager that the IX opens at her funeral. Resistance is down to just a few and they need time to build back up before the last film. Timeline of starting at her funeral where she dies of natural causes makes sense to me.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Saw it today and enjoyed it.

Sometimes I feel like diehards look for things to pick apart and it takes away from the enjoyment of the movie.

Maybe it'll change in IX but I felt that Rey's parents were nobodies was a refreshing development.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

And I mean only slightly insultingly, because he is the ultimate millennial. He can make a great speech, but has zero competency when it comes to what he is doing. I loved the Poe/Hux interchange because it showed what a moron Hux is. What galls me more than anything is that Hux would long be dead if he worked for Vader. Admiral Ozzel brought the fleet out of hyperspace too close to the system....Hux made about a billion tactical mistakes in TFA and the evacuation of D'Qar and survives. Just a stupid character to have such prominence, for f'ingsake how did the First Order take over the galaxy with this clown show in charge?

Good point. Incompetent idiots never end up in positions of power.

[Stronghold]

Leia in space wasn't a great scene for me but I'll give them a pass for anything related to Carrie Fisher.  What killed me was the humor they tried to impose (and failed in my opinion) and the lack of backstory we got about Snoke. I have no problem of them killing him off but give us some history/lore. 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Leia in space wasn't a great scene for me but I'll give them a pass for anything related to Carrie Fisher.  What killed me was the humor they tried to impose (and failed in my opinion) and the lack of backstory we got about Snoke. I have no problem of them killing him off but give us some history/lore.

It's still possible they address that in IX.  It'd be nice but it didn't really bother me.

Did we really get much of a back story on the Emperor in the first trilogy? 

[MU82]

Good point. Incompetent idiots never end up in positions of power.

I laughed.

Then I cried.

[mu03eng]

Good point. Incompetent idiots never end up in positions of power.

I suppose Hux could have been voted in as military leader....having said this it's still a funny reply well done

[Stronghold]

It's still possible they address that in IX.  It'd be nice but it didn't really bother me.

Did we really get much of a back story on the Emperor in the first trilogy?

I guess that's a good comparison.  Hopefully they touch on some more of it.  He was obviously a very powerful force user and physically mangled so it would be nice to know how he came to be. 

[SaveOD238]

I suppose Hux could have been voted in as military leader....having said this it's still a funny reply well done

I think some of the books/comics have introduced Hux’s father as an Imperial leader post-ROTJ, so Hux is in power due to daddy’s influence.

[GGGG]

I think this article does a great job articulating why TLJ was what it was and I think I'm getting on board with this. Sure there were flaws but in some ways, flaws are core to Star Wars otherwise we wouldn't debate this crap endlessly. I'll see it again in a week or so but the more I think about it, the more I think I really loved TLJ.

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-defense/

So I finally saw it today.  Then I read this article, in particular this paragraph:

"But with Star Wars: The Last Jedi, director Rian Johnson wants to burn Star Wars to the ground. Not because he harbors ill will toward it, but because he loves it. He loves it so much that he wants to cleanse the garden and allow something fresh and new to grow. The Last Jedi is not concerned about what you, the moviegoer and fan, thinks about Star Wars. It wants to challenge you and make you question what Star Wars is and what it can be."

Parallels to Yoda burning up the Jedi texts?  Maybe the point is that the whole Star Wars "canon" can be burned down and not be a burden to the future story line?

BTW, I thought it was OK.  Not great.  I preferred Rogue One.

[mu03eng]

Just watched in again last night, and I think it is a very good movie which I really really like AND the more you watch the more any "plot holes" go away for the most part. As an example, I definitely think Snoke was lying about creating the skype call between Kylo and Rey, as they had another call at the very end of the movie after Snoke was dead(unless Snoke isn't dead). Also Kylo had a line during the first call that set up the Luke ending "you can't be doing this, the effort would kill you". Does a good job of setting up just how powerful Luke has become.

Only things that really haven't been satisfied for me is who is Snoke (I don't need it but I completely understand the folks that demand a backstory on him) and where the f does the First Order get it's money?

[StillAWarrior]

So I finally saw it today.  Then I read this article, in particular this paragraph:

"But with Star Wars: The Last Jedi, director Rian Johnson wants to burn Star Wars to the ground. Not because he harbors ill will toward it, but because he loves it. He loves it so much that he wants to cleanse the garden and allow something fresh and new to grow. The Last Jedi is not concerned about what you, the moviegoer and fan, thinks about Star Wars. It wants to challenge you and make you question what Star Wars is and what it can be."

Parallels to Yoda burning up the Jedi texts? Maybe the point is that the whole Star Wars "canon" can be burned down and not be a burden to the future story line?

BTW, I thought it was OK.  Not great.  I preferred Rogue One.

Yoda didn't burn the texts.  You see them very clearly at the end in a drawer on the Falcon when Finn is getting a blanket for Rose.  I thought I noticed this in my first viewing, and definitely confirmed on a second viewing.

My initial question is how did they not get burned.  But some sources on the net say that as Rey boards the Falcon to leave the island, there is a quick shot of her putting something in a drawer -- presumably the books.  I didn't notice that.

Kinda makes Yoda's comment, "That library contained nothing that the girl Rey does not already possess" a little more literal.

[GGGG]

Gotcha.  So much for that...

[Hards Alumni]

Yoda didn't burn the texts.  You see them very clearly at the end in a drawer on the Falcon when Finn is getting a blanket for Rose.  I thought I noticed this in my first viewing, and definitely confirmed on a second viewing.

My initial question is how did they not get burned.  But some sources on the net say that as Rey boards the Falcon to leave the island, there is a quick shot of her putting something in a drawer -- presumably the books.  I didn't notice that.

Kinda makes Yoda's comment, "That library contained nothing that the girl Rey does not already possess" a little more literal.

Ah, similar to, "He will bring balance to the force"

[jesmu84]

Things I wished/wish for more clarity on:

-Nearly all the scenes when Rey picks up the lightsaber in TFA - specifically, the knights of Ren
-Snoke
-the prophetic pirate lady

[StillAWarrior]

My biggest question concerns Luke's statement that Kylo Ren took a handful of Luke's students with him, and killed the rest.  Who are those other students?  Where are they?

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Here's my big issue with it.

The Force Awakens set up the trilogy to answer two major questions:
1. What is Rey's lineage?
2. Who is Snoke?

The Last Jedi answered those deliberately setup questions with:
1. It doesn't matter
2. It doesn't matter

TFA has been completely deemed irrelevant by TLJ. Maybe that's the plan, make A New Hope clone to re-engage the fan base and then take it in a different direction. If that's the case, the Snoke/Rey foreshadowing in TFA didn't need to be included.

Minor complaints:
1. Mary Poppins Leia, dumb dumb dumb. Why is she alive? I feel like there's either some CGI Leia coming in 9 that's necessary (Rey's mom) or there's going to be a large time jump and she's going to pass during.

2. R2 and Luke reunion was hot garbage. Poe molested BB8 everytime their apart, but Luke and R2 are less than excited? Luke lectures R2 on language? R2 has always been the wiser one. R2 was literally in a coma when Luke went missing, but whatever in TLJ. Also, where was R2 at the end?

3. Phasma totally got Fett'd. Awesome armour gets no story, no presence.

4. Casino/Finn/Rose was necessary social commentary, UNLESS that force kid at the ends up being a big role in 9.

5. Chewbacca has a moral issue with eating Porgs? He's a goddamn Wookie, unnatural carnal knowledge Porgs. Chewy with some badass flying, but another original character that continues to get marginalized.

6. Speaking of original characters, Admiral Ackbar gets smoked with no fanfare? A brief mention? Get out of here. After Ackbar dies, the Resistance literally keeps falling into traps. Instead of purple hair Jurassic Park lady lightspeed attacking, let Ackbar go out with that glory, which brings me to...

Things I loved:
1. The Lightspeed attack was brilliant cinema. The silence, my theater was actually silent. It was chilling and fantastic.

2. Kylo and Adam Driver. The best acting Star Wars has had. (Period). The performance in TLJ makes his acting in TFA even better. Kylo does become Vader's successor. He did what Vader couldn't, overthrow his master and become Supreme Leader.

3. The Imperial Guard fight scene was fantastically done and shot. Could have been out of a Tarantino movie it was that well put together.

4. The Luke ending. I'm not personally happy with the ending of Luke, but it was interesting. Yoda made him think Rey knew everything, but she stole the books. The haircut, hair dye and no footsteps in the salt were nice teasers for those looking for it. Could have done without the shoulder brush.

5. The direction for 9. While unsatisfied between TFA and TLJ, I think Rian has setup JJ for a fantastic ending of the Rey and Kylo arc.

I finally saw the day after Christmas.

This has quotes from Rian Johnson discussing the lineage questions.
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/894040/star-wars-8-the-last-jedi-who-is-snoke-supreme-leader-identity-revealed

I was thinking that Rey's lineage from "nothing" makes perfect sense.
Anakin Skywalker was from nothing parents although supposedly a virgin birth.
Being a form of balance in the force, Rey would come from nothing also.