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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Herman Cain on November 01, 2022, 02:03:49 PM
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New management charging for service .
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/elon-musk-twitter-blue-checkmark-stephen-king-1235252656/
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IBTL
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Maybe this one will work!
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Yeah I guess I don't get this. I follow a bunch of people with blue check marks, but I also follow a bunch that don't - some of which have huge followings. If a blue checked person said "screw this" and lost their checkmark...what is Elon going to do about that? I mean, I guess he could say "people without the checkmark are limited to XX number of followers," but seems like you are charging the people who are creating the most followed content.
OTOH, if he said "you can only follow blue check marks if you pay a subscription fee of $5 per month," I would grumble but likely pay it. I guess my point is that he should be charging the consumers of content - not the creators. He could even share that fee by sending money TO those who generate content and have the most followers.
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He's already floating an $8/month fee instead.
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I hope lots of people sign up. Musk has mouth to feed.
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*blue check marks if you pay a subscription fee of $5 per month," I would grumble but likely pay it. I guess my point is that he should be charging the consumers of content - not the creators.
OTOH, the people with huge followings are the ones that can monetize those huge followings. Wouldn't they be the ones that would be willing to pay based on how many followers they have since they are the ones that can benefit financially?
TWTR already makes money off you (though they are admittedly bad at it) by monetizing your interaction with the platform.
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For instance, I am a YouTube Premium subscriber - mostly so I don't see the advertisements. That's $12 a month that is charged to my card a month. I subscribe to a handful of channels, and if those channels are part of the Youtube Partner Program, they get a slice of that fee. Furthermore, there is all sorts of way for people who generate the content to be compensated for that content.
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/72857
What Elon is doing seems completely backwards. They are CHARGING people create the content that drive people to the platform.
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and charging *EVERYONE* w/ a blue check this miniscule sub fee would create so very little revenue relative to how much revenue TWTR gets from ad sales it's a nonsensical plan.
This is all separate and apart from the fact that Musk seems intent treating the public facing "users" of Twitter like they are his customers rather than the fact that they are obviously the product that he sells to his real customers, the advertisers.
Its funny as hell that he needs to more than double Twitter's profit just to service the debt he took on to buy out the dang thing. No notes.
wint
@dril
Food $200
Data $150
Rent $800
Candles $3,600
Utility $150
someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my family is dying
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What Elon is doing seems completely backwards. They are CHARGING people create the content that drive people to the platform.
For a guy who's purports to be so smart, Musk sure seems to be an idiot regarding this. No understanding of what public square or free speech is, no recognition that monetizing the platform isn't best done by charging the people that give it value, and trying to negotiate this in public while responding to a Stephen King tweet is just idiotic.
I remember someone once describing Musk as "a stupid person's idea of a smart person" and it has never felt more apt than the past couple weeks.
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For a guy who's purports to be so smart, Musk sure seems to be an idiot regarding this. No understanding of what public square or free speech is, no recognition that monetizing the platform isn't best done by charging the people that give it value, and trying to negotiate this in public while responding to a Stephen King tweet is just idiotic.
I remember someone once describing Musk as "a stupid person's idea of a smart person" and it has never felt more apt than the past couple weeks.
He's playing chess while you are playing checkers, my friend
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He's playing chess while you are playing checkers, my friend
Actually, Musk seems to think he's too smart for chess.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1584537377837490177?s=20&t=F0EbsklnbbOHIr5fKNBCiA
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For a guy who's purports to be so smart, Musk sure seems to be an idiot regarding this. No understanding of what public square or free speech is, no recognition that monetizing the platform isn't best done by charging the people that give it value, and trying to negotiate this in public while responding to a Stephen King tweet is just idiotic.
I remember someone once describing Musk as "a stupid person's idea of a smart person" and it has never felt more apt than the past couple weeks.
He is pretty smart about a lot of things. Being smart about one thing doesn’t make you smart about another. I ain’t going to call my landscaper to check out a toothache
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I really don't get why everyone is upset.
Twitter is like a newspaper. You don't like the content? You don't like what they charge?
Then don't subscribe to it.
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Twitter is not the "town square." It is the Octagon of the interwebs.
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I really don't get why everyone is upset.
Twitter is like a newspaper. You don't like the content? You don't like what they charge?
Then don't subscribe to it.
Uh...they don't charge for it. Do you not understand Twitter?
What Elon wants to do is charge the people who create the newspaper.
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Uh...they don't charge for it. Do you not understand Twitter?
What Elon wants to do is charge the people who create the newspaper.
Ok, if you don’t like it, don’t use it. If it is worth the cost, people will flock to it.
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Uh...they don't charge for it. Do you not understand Twitter?
What Elon wants to do is charge the people who create the newspaper.
Google has free search and paid search. It’s not all free. Charging a fee to post your content to reach millions is a commercial bargain, will remove many fake accounts (and multiple accounts…trolls will need an identifiable form of payment), and will improve content and targeting.
Stephen King cannot afford $8 per month to pump his books and movies? Oh, the woe and injustice.
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Ok, if you don’t like it, don’t use it. If it is worth the cost, people will flock to it.
No sh*t. That is the entire point I am making. Try to keep up OK?
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Here's what NYT's DealBook said today:
Days into the Elon Musk era at Twitter, the makings of a new business model for the long-embattled social network are taking shape. The company’s new owner is pressing ahead with a subscription offering, which Musk has repeatedly emphasized is a necessary new source of revenue.
But its importance has also seemingly grown as more advertisers have said they are at least temporarily stepping back amid worries about widening chaos on the platform.
A key Musk focus is an $8-a-month Twitter Blue service. As currently envisioned, subscribers would receive the “verified” check-mark badge, see fewer ads, be ranked higher in replies to others’ tweets, be able to share longer videos and bypass paywalls at news publishers that partner with Twitter. (The $8 monthly fee was lowered from the original $20 figure … after Musk seemed to negotiate publicly with the author Stephen King.)
Will users pay for Twitter Blue? Supporters of the move point to other social networks, like LinkedIn and Snap, that charge users for additional features. And some organizations, like the newsletter publisher Puck, said they would fork over the fees to keep their employees verified.
But others point out that verification is meant at least in part to, well, verify that the Twitter user is authentic, and paying to get a check mark defeats that purpose. Check marks will also effectively turn subscribers’ prioritized tweets into paid advertisements for Twitter Blue, which could turn off actual advertisers that want their ads to appear next to organically popular content, Slate argues.
We’d also ask: How much money would subscriptions bring in? “It won’t be the majority of people, but there’s a small base of people that will” subscribe, the analyst Rich Greenfield told The Wall Street Journal. But given that Twitter’s own internal research from before the Musk deal closed purportedly showed a drop in activity among power users, it’s unclear how much Twitter Blue would add to a top line that hit $5 billion last year.
Speaking of advertisers … Twitter’s ad leadership is in disarray, after Leslie Berland, its chief marketing officer, and Sarah Personette, its sales chief, left the company.
And though Musk flew to New York this week to allay advertising executives’ fears over content moderation, the ad giant IPG has joined the firms advising clients to temporarily suspend campaigns on the platform over just that.
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Google has free search and paid search. It’s not all free. Charging a fee to post your content to reach millions is a commercial bargain, will remove many fake accounts (and multiple accounts…trolls will need an identifiable form of payment), and will improve content and targeting.
Stephen King cannot afford $8 per month to pump his books and movies? Oh, the woe and injustice.
Again, what if Stephen King says "screw it....I don't need to checkmark anyway." He has his following built up already. Also, there are MANY accounts out there with huge followings that don't have the checkmark. Why would they now decide to get it now?
This just seems like an idea from a guy who uses Twitter as someone famous, but doesn't understand how Twitter is used by the vast majority of its users.
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Question about twitter: Do content creators get paid by Twitter, like on other platforms?
(I know twitter people can get endorsements, get paid by 3rd parties.)
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Question about twitter: Do content creators get paid by Twitter, like on other platforms?
No, and that is what I said above. If Musk wants to make the checkmark profitable, charge the CONSUMERS a fee that can be shared with verified content creators. His idea is going to prevent people from getting verified.
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No, and that is what I said above. If Musk wants to make the checkmark profitable, charge the CONSUMERS a fee that can be shared with verified content creators. His idea is going to prevent people from getting verified.
I honestly don't see to many people paying a premium to follow people.
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I honestly don't see to many people paying a premium to follow people.
But would you pay a premium (say $10 a month) to be able to follow any verified accounts? That would include not just people, but news organizations, etc.
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But would you pay a premium (say $10 a month) to be able to follow any verified accounts? That would include not just people, but news organizations, etc.
No, I'm not paying $10 a month to see a link to an article that is already behind a paywall. I've considered unfollowing the news outlets that paywall all of their articles.
No shot I pay for an ad to see an ad.
If twitter ever becomes a subscription model, I'm 100% out and so will be 75% of it's users. Which will kill it.
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Thanks for the info.
I always thought Twitter was awful. For once, I'm on the right side of history!
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No, I'm not paying $10 a month to see a link to an article that is already behind a paywall. I've considered unfollowing the news outlets that paywall all of their articles.
Outrageous when businesses ask you to pay for some of their products.
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Thanks for the info.
I always thought Twitter was awful. For once, I'm on the right side of history!
You and me both.
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I've considered unfollowing the news outlets that paywall all of their articles.
Brother Hards:
If you don't pay for it, how do you expect someone to produce it?
One of the major problems with news organizations of all stripes has been the transition from paper or electronic broadcast to digital transmission over the internet. Too many readers think the content should be "free" to them. That's fine if the outlet can generate enough revenue from ad placements to make the site work. Sadly, advertisers too have found new and better vehicles to communicate their wares than traditional news organizations.
I'll grant you the quality of journalism has declined in recent years and news organizations frequently find themselves competing against new forms of journalism, often advocacy journalism from organizations promoting a cause or causes. Nonetheless, if you want objective journalism, you have to pay for it one way or another.
The Wall Street Journal's content is almost completely behind a paywall and it remains one of our nation's most successful publications.
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Google has free search and paid search. It’s not all free. Charging a fee to post your content to reach millions is a commercial bargain, will remove many fake accounts (and multiple accounts…trolls will need an identifiable form of payment), and will improve content and targeting.
Stephen King cannot afford $8 per month to pump his books and movies? Oh, the woe and injustice.
Obviously King can afford $8/mo. He never claimed otherwise. He's not really using Twitter to promote his books and movies. On the one hand, he's one of a handful of authors who have no need of *any* publicity. His very existence is going to sell through books at a rate that 99.999% of authors would kill to achieve. BUT if he wanted to use Twitter to do so, he has the same option as all of Twitter's *customers* have, which is to purchase ads promoting his books and movies.
What King is aptly pointing out is that his contributions to the website, along with everyone else who logs in and tweets, is creating the traffic which Twitter turns around and sells to its customers--the advertisers. He's the product being sold and Musk wants to charge him to continue creating that product? That's what he's objecting to.
And, as was pointed out in the WSJ article quoted below, this whole endeavor is going to be a lot of sound and fury to contribute virtually nothing to Twitter's topline. It's the wild veering of a poster put in charge of a company with no guardrails. Musk just lurching from shower thought to ambien-fueled-fugue-musing and back again in the desperate hope that he can drive enough increase in cash flow to service the insane debt load he took on.
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I've never twittered, and I've only read twits that someone I know links to.
I subscribe to the NYT, WSJ, WaPo, Athletic, Bloomberg, Seeking Alpha and Charlotte Observer. I also can watch Reuters, CNN, Fox News, CNBC, MSNBC and all the network news shows I want.
I can't imagine what I'd need Twitter for, but I'll be open-minded if someone wants to make a case.
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Question about twitter: Do content creators get paid by Twitter, like on other platforms?
(I know twitter people can get endorsements, get paid by 3rd parties.)
The world could use a lot less "Content Creators"
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Obviously King can afford $8/mo. He never claimed otherwise. He's not really using Twitter to promote his books and movies. On the one hand, he's one of a handful of authors who have no need of *any* publicity. His very existence is going to sell through books at a rate that 99.999% of authors would kill to achieve. BUT if he wanted to use Twitter to do so, he has the same option as all of Twitter's *customers* have, which is to purchase ads promoting his books and movies.
What King is aptly pointing out is that his contributions to the website, along with everyone else who logs in and tweets, is creating the traffic which Twitter turns around and sells to its customers--the advertisers. He's the product being sold and Musk wants to charge him to continue creating that product? That's what he's objecting to.
And, as was pointed out in the WSJ article quoted below, this whole endeavor is going to be a lot of sound and fury to contribute virtually nothing to Twitter's topline. It's the wild veering of a poster put in charge of a company with no guardrails. Musk just lurching from shower thought to ambien-fueled-fugue-musing and back again in the desperate hope that he can drive enough increase in cash flow to service the insane debt load he took on.
Right, it isn't that King can't afford it (obviously), it's that a blue check mark brings zero value to him. I would maintain that a better business model would be to charge the content creators via a tiered fee based on how many followers they have.
BUT, that only works if the content creators can monetize their efforts, and right now Twitter is awful at that, unlike Youtube, Tik Tok, Instagram, etc. No ad revenue is shared with the content creators, and even those with enormous followings can't directly monetize their efforts.
Musk is idiotically lurching about in public. This isn't an engineering company, so he has no idea what to do. His ego landed him a ridiculously overpriced asset that he has no expertise to fix. But thanks again for your money, Elon!
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Outrageous when businesses ask you to pay for some of their products.
I mean, if you want to misrepresent what I said, go nuts. I pay for some news sites, but I weigh the value of each.
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Brother Hards:
If you don't pay for it, how do you expect someone to produce it?
One of the major problems with news organizations of all stripes has been the transition from paper or electronic broadcast to digital transmission over the internet. Too many readers think the content should be "free" to them. That's fine if the outlet can generate enough revenue from ad placements to make the site work. Sadly, advertisers too have found new and better vehicles to communicate their wares than traditional news organizations.
I'll grant you the quality of journalism has declined in recent years and news organizations frequently find themselves competing against new forms of journalism, often advocacy journalism from organizations promoting a cause or causes. Nonetheless, if you want objective journalism, you have to pay for it one way or another.
The Wall Street Journal's content is almost completely behind a paywall and it remains one of our nation's most successful publications.
Congrats on entirely ignoring the point I was making. At least you and Pakuni have that in common.
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The world could use a lot less "Content Creators"
Why?
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I mean, if you want to misrepresent what I said, go nuts. I pay for some news sites, but I weigh the value of each.
I mean, you literally wrote that you consider unfollowing sites because they have a paywall, no other reason. Not sure how that was misrepresented, but OK.
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I mean, you literally wrote that you consider unfollowing sites because they have a paywall, no other reason. Not sure how that was misrepresented, but OK.
He never said that it was outrageous that they are making people pay for content. Just that he won't follow them on Twitter because he doesn't find their content worth the cost.
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I mean, you literally wrote that you consider unfollowing sites because they have a paywall, no other reason. Not sure how that was misrepresented, but OK.
So, I already gain nothing from them except a headline. The point was I'm not going to pay to be advertised to more than I already am.
If the model goes to subscriptions for users I'll just delete twitter. They already get to advertise to me and get a ton of personal data. Cash on top of that? Nah, I'm out.
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Obviously King can afford $8/mo. He never claimed otherwise. He's not really using Twitter to promote his books and movies. On the one hand, he's one of a handful of authors who have no need of *any* publicity. His very existence is going to sell through books at a rate that 99.999% of authors would kill to achieve. BUT if he wanted to use Twitter to do so, he has the same option as all of Twitter's *customers* have, which is to purchase ads promoting his books and movies.
What King is aptly pointing out is that his contributions to the website, along with everyone else who logs in and tweets, is creating the traffic which Twitter turns around and sells to its customers--the advertisers. He's the product being sold and Musk wants to charge him to continue creating that product? That's what he's objecting to.
And, as was pointed out in the WSJ article quoted below, this whole endeavor is going to be a lot of sound and fury to contribute virtually nothing to Twitter's topline. It's the wild veering of a poster put in charge of a company with no guardrails. Musk just lurching from shower thought to ambien-fueled-fugue-musing and back again in the desperate hope that he can drive enough increase in cash flow to service the insane debt load he took on.
What Musk is trying to do is improve and verify the quality of that traffic, while monetizing the high dollar audience. It's a Good-Better-Best model that every successful SaaS network has in different forms. The the cost of free is no more.
As to King, he is being a baby and two faced if he denies he is not on Twitter for self-promotion. Let's be real.
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What Musk is trying to do is improve and verify the quality of that traffic, while monetizing the high dollar audience. It's a Good-Better-Best model that every successful SaaS network has in different forms. The the cost of free is no more.
As to King, he is being a baby and two faced if he denies he is not on Twitter for self-promotion. Let's be real.
If all it takes to "verify" traffic is the payment of a subscription fee, then my bet is that the "value" of a verification tick will plummet because anyone (scam artists included) will have access to the thing for $8.
Besides, this it's NONSENSE for him to view this lever of monetization as worth pursuing. There are aprx 400k verified twitter users. At $8/mo, that's $38.4M/yr. at $20/mo that's $96M/yr. Twitter's topline was $5B. Wtf is all this smoke worth (maybe) increasing your topline by .07%?
Regardless, I think the practical effect of this pricing change is that anyone who does not *need* "verification" will simply drop it. The value that verification provided was not to the holders of the checkmarks, but to the other users of the site so they didn't get dunked on by parody accounts or scam artists. For that reason I'm guessing brands and journalists will maintain their checks, but every marginal public figure who is big enough to get verified but doesn't really need the checkmark will drop it. Stephen King, for example, derives no particular value from having the checkmark compared to not having it.
If he's trying to create GBB pricing tiers and is applying that to the users of the site, he's, again, conflating users with customers. Social media account holders are the product, not the customers. Charging people to consume their feeds is going to decimate his DAU numbers, which is the only thing he's able to sell for any amount of money that matters.
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He never said that it was outrageous that they are making people pay for content. Just that he won't follow them on Twitter because he doesn't find their content worth the cost.
But ... he didn't write this.
He wrote:
"I've considered unfollowing the news outlets that paywall all of their articles."
Nothing about the value of their content, etc. (He added that later). Just the mere presence of a paywall is enough.
Which, by the way, is totally fine. I just find it a weird kind of entitlement that people are surprised/unhappy when they're asked to pay for the product of others' labor.
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If all it takes to "verify" traffic is the payment of a subscription fee, then my bet is that the "value" of a verification tick will plummet because anyone (scam artists included) will have access to the thing for $8.
Besides, this it's NONSENSE for him to view this lever of monetization as worth pursuing. There are aprx 400k verified twitter users. At $8/mo, that's $38.4M/yr. at $20/mo that's $96M/yr. Twitter's topline was $5B. Wtf is all this smoke worth (maybe) increasing your topline by .07%?
Regardless, I think the practical effect of this pricing change is that anyone who does not *need* "verification" will simply drop it. The value that verification provided was not to the holders of the checkmarks, but to the other users of the site so they didn't get dunked on by parody accounts or scam artists. For that reason I'm guessing brands and journalists will maintain their checks, but every marginal public figure who is big enough to get verified but doesn't really need the checkmark will drop it. Stephen King, for example, derives no particular value from having the checkmark compared to not having it.
If he's trying to create GBB pricing tiers and is applying that to the users of the site, he's, again, conflating users with customers. Social media account holders are the product, not the customers. Charging people to consume their feeds is going to decimate his DAU numbers, which is the only thing he's able to sell for any amount of money that matters.
Google search consumers: Free. YouTube: Free. YouTube Premium: Fee. YouTube Content Creators: YT takes big cut of ad revenue and about a third of member content donations. YT TV: Fee.
Musk is trying to do what Alphabet, Apple, Amazon and Meta do. There are vehicles for audience acquisition and vehicles for further monetization.
When you buy an audience for media, you pay via a cost per thousand. Why do I have to pay for crap, bots, trolls, negative posters who I don’t want smearing my product image, an audience who is not my target or is too political for my message. I want to pay for an audience I can target, who will buy, and one where I can better control my message.
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Any twats heer? Any truth two da rumor dat Scoop iz gonna charge $20/month four a green check ✅, hey?
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I think $8 for a blue checkmark has the potential to be a fair price. People often underestimate how much power Twitter has when it comes to growing an online business and being able to show up in Search and the Timeline (and other benefits) will be more than worth it for some people.
The whole blue check mark thing is currently a complete joke as is. In order to get it now, you need to be both verified with ID (understandable) and also “notable.” What is the process for deciding who is and isn’t “notable”?
Musk said that celebrities will also get a secondary tag like politicians currently do. Stephen King will fall under that category anyway. So, this policy change isn’t really aimed at major celebrities like King.
If anything, I think this policy makes the platform more equitable and fair to people growing their business or personal brand.
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But ... he didn't write this.
He wrote:
"I've considered unfollowing the news outlets that paywall all of their articles."
Nothing about the value of their content, etc. (He added that later). Just the mere presence of a paywall is enough.
Which, by the way, is totally fine. I just find it a weird kind of entitlement that people are surprised/unhappy when they're asked to pay for the product of others' labor.
But it was 100% your conclusion that because I considered unfollowing those sites that I think they should all be free. Which is obviously not the case. That was your conclusion that you jumped to. But you just wanted to dunk, I get it.
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But ... he didn't write this.
He wrote:
"I've considered unfollowing the news outlets that paywall all of their articles."
Nothing about the value of their content, etc. (He added that later). Just the mere presence of a paywall is enough.
It was pretty clear what he was implying. Sorry that you have to be so pedantic about everything.
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But it was 100% your conclusion that because I considered unfollowing those sites that I think they should all be free. Which is obviously not the case. That was your conclusion that you jumped to. But you just wanted to dunk, I get it.
Sigh ... I jumped to that conclusion because it's exactly what you wrote.
My apologies (?) for reacting to what was written and not what you now say you meant.
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It was pretty clear what he was implying. Sorry that you have to be so pedantic about everything.
Sultan ... lots of people here can call me pedantic (deservingly so, even) without a hint of irony. You're not one of them.
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Sultan ... lots of people here can call me pedantic (deservingly so, even) without a hint of irony. You're not one of them.
Yep. Which means I know it when I see it.
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Sigh ... I jumped to that conclusion because it's exactly what you wrote.
My apologies (?) for reacting to what was written and not what you now say you meant.
Nope. What I said was:
No, I'm not paying $10 a month to see a link to an article that is already behind a paywall. I've considered unfollowing the news outlets that paywall all of their articles.
No shot I pay for an ad to see an ad.
If twitter ever becomes a subscription model, I'm 100% out and so will be 75% of it's users. Which will kill it.
To which you responded:
Outrageous when businesses ask you to pay for some of their products.
At no point did I say I wouldn't pay for their products, I said I wouldn't pay twitter to see a link to an article behind a paywall. I said I have considered unfollowing the new outlets on twitter that paywall.
I know you see the difference, but keep going if you must.
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Any twats heer? Any truth two da rumor dat Scoop iz gonna charge $20/month four a green check ✅, hey?
It's the only way to keep the riff raff out
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The only internet subscription worth the money is Scoop Premium.
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I would say the free board is completely worth the cost.
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I would say the free board is completely worth the cost.
I hope the new board promised by the letter writers doesn’t cost anything
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There it sits. Frozen in time. Forgotten. Unloved. A metaphor.
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I would say the free board is completely worth the cost.
Id argue its a bit overpriced. Should pay us to read some of the mud slinging
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Surprised this is still going, but I'm guessing the pay-for-verification model will be the end of Twitter. The only point of verification is so you know the account saying something actually belongs to the person it purports to be.
When 75% of the blue checks refuse to pay, it will lead to a wave of clone accounts, basically drawing in more of the bots Musk claims he doesn't want. Without verification, many of those accounts will just migrate elsewhere, which will lessen the value of the site.
Musk simply doesn't get how any of this works. He made a trolling joke about buying the company and foolishly took it too far, now he's stuck with a platform that isn't worth what he paid for it.
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It’s like watching the PE firm that bought Desdspin whole fundamentally misunderstanding what it was they bought and destroying their investment all over again.
Kinda funny tbh.
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Surprised this is still going, but I'm guessing the pay-for-verification model will be the end of Twitter. The only point of verification is so you know the account saying something actually belongs to the person it purports to be.
When 75% of the blue checks refuse to pay, it will lead to a wave of clone accounts, basically drawing in more of the bots Musk claims he doesn't want. Without verification, many of those accounts will just migrate elsewhere, which will lessen the value of the site.
Musk simply doesn't get how any of this works. He made a trolling joke about buying the company and foolishly took it too far, now he's stuck with a platform that isn't worth what he paid for it.
I'll just put this right here
https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/the-case-that-elon-musk-knows-exactly-what-hes-doing-at-twitter.html (https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/the-case-that-elon-musk-knows-exactly-what-hes-doing-at-twitter.html)
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It’s like watching the PE firm that bought Desdspin whole fundamentally misunderstanding what it was they bought and destroying their investment all over again.
Kinda funny tbh.
It’s hilariously similar actually. Cause the buyer misunderstood the product in both, and in both the employees had some weird self righteous misunderstanding of how to run a business or what the business should actually entail.
However, the Deadspin buyers were dinosaurs who didn’t understand new media. I’m not sure Musk doesn’t still have some plan for some Twitter data and info. I still think he wanted access to Twitter bot data and potential censoring/shadow banning information for a greater angle. But in terms of purely how to properly monetize Twitter, I think he’s out of his depth for sure.
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I'll just put this right here
https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/the-case-that-elon-musk-knows-exactly-what-hes-doing-at-twitter.html (https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/the-case-that-elon-musk-knows-exactly-what-hes-doing-at-twitter.html)
Yeah that does make some good points.
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I've never twittered, and I've only read twits that someone I know links to.
I subscribe to the NYT, WSJ, WaPo, Athletic, Bloomberg, Seeking Alpha and Charlotte Observer. I also can watch Reuters, CNN, Fox News, CNBC, MSNBC and all the network news shows I want.
I can't imagine what I'd need Twitter for, but I'll be open-minded if someone wants to make a case.
It would give you somewhere else to post.
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New management at work to improve product
https://www.rt.com/news/565831-twiitter-accurate-information-musk/
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I'm actually astounded so many of you "care" about twitter so much. I guess my expectations of you were too high.
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I'm actually astounded so many of you "care" about twitter so much. I guess my expectations of you were too high.
Yeah I think it’s a good place. I follow some news and sports sites and some fun ones as well. It’s entertaining. If it’s not for you, that’s fine too.
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New management at work to improve product
https://www.rt.com/news/565831-twiitter-accurate-information-musk/
Russia Today, huh?
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I'm actually astounded so many of you "care" about twitter so much. I guess my expectations of you were too high.
It's not the site, it's the discourse and connection it allows. Sure, there's plenty of toxicity there and on any social media, but there's a lot of value as well.
New management at work to improve product
https://www.rt.com/news/565831-twiitter-accurate-information-musk/
Holy s**t :o
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Yeah I think it’s a good place. I follow some news and sports sites and some fun ones as well. It’s entertaining. If it’s not for you, that’s fine too.
I'm actually astounded so many of you "care" about twitter so much. I guess my expectations of you were too high.
I think there are various levels to Twitter. If you're referring to the people that get REALLY pressed about Twitter arguments and dialogue, then sure. But even though I secretly enjoy watching some of that, my biggest value from Twitter is really as a news source.
I deleted Twitter for a few months over the summer as part of some personal life/time rearranging. And I honestly missed it, and not for the reasons you think. Its so good for breaking news, for trending sports info, for various information sources. I eventually reactivated cause I found myself going to various Twitter profiles via Google search on a regular basis.
People that aren't active on Twitter naturally associate it with mudslinging from BigTittys69 and LebronDaGoat6 and not for the reasons I mentioned.
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The key to enjoying Twitter is to never read the replies.
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New management charging for service .
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/elon-musk-twitter-blue-checkmark-stephen-king-1235252656/
Gee Herman I think you are on to something. Whenever the MODS lock a thread just start a new one: 2.0, 3.0 etc. I always thought it counter productive to lock a thread, why not just suspend the "bad actors" for a while and keep the discussion moving forward.
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Gee Herman I think you are on to something. Whenever the MODS lock a thread just start a new one: 2.0, 3.0 etc. I always thought it counter productive to lock a thread, why not just suspend the "bad actors" for a while and keep the discussion moving forward.
Perhaps you can moderate the new board?
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The key to enjoying Twitter is to never read the replies.
Bingo. It's the yahoo article comments section in an app.
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The key to enjoying Twitter is to never read the replies.
The old Twitter meme of...
"I really love X. It makes me happy"
Replies...
"How dare you like X, how ableist, my (insert condition) makes it impossible for me to enjoy X"
"X killed my elderly Grandma, I'm LITERALLY crying right now"
"The ability to love X is ultimate ____ privilege"
There was a thread not long ago that went Twitter viral. A woman in her 20s posted how she loved having coffee with her husband in their garden each morning and talking for an hour. For some reason, it attracted every Eeyore on the app who accused her of unchecked privilege and selfishness. How embarrassing it was to boast about it when not everyone can afford a garden. How she must be a trust funder if she has an hour in the morning for coffee. Etc... The best was a picture was posted of the garden and it was a simple cheap table and chairs under a tree amidst some sparse plants in front of a very modest home. But it was being treated like she was brunching in Versailles.
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Article by former Penthouse Columnist on new management at Twitter
https://www.rt.com/news/565867-elon-musk-changes-twitter/amp/
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Article by former Penthouse Columnist on new management at Twitter
https://www.rt.com/news/565867-elon-musk-changes-twitter/amp/
Russia Today, huh?
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Lotta Russia Today from you lately.
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You got a problem with that, you capitalist swine?
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Article by former Penthouse Columnist on new management at Twitter
https://www.rt.com/news/565867-elon-musk-changes-twitter/amp/
Ian Miles Cheong? The guy who posts all day from Malaysia about American politics despite never setting foot on our soil?
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New Management started plan to reduce staff. Announcements to be made internally starting today .
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63495125
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What an altruist and patriot Musk is. Doing his part to try to help the U.S. economy by reducing employment.
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Ian Miles Cheong? The guy who posts all day from Malaysia about American politics despite never setting foot on our soil?
Cheong has a huge following on Twitter of angry virgins
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What an altruist and patriot Musk is. Doing his part to try to help the U.S. economy by reducing employment.
Lotsa jobs out there. No need to pay folks ta sit home on their fat asses and collect or humiliate themselves by standing on a street corner to feed their addictions, hey?
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Lotsa jobs out there. No need to pay folks ta sit home on their fat asses and collect or humiliate themselves by standing on a street corner to feed their addictions, hey?
Good Christians help the homeless and those afflicted with addictions.
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Lotsa jobs out there. No need to pay folks ta sit home on their fat asses and collect or humiliate themselves by standing on a street corner to feed their addictions, hey?
You *still* think that's the reason there are so many openings? ::)
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Ian Miles Cheong? The guy who posts all day from Malaysia about American politics despite never setting foot on our soil?
Amazing, you're reading Ian Miles Cheong? 10/10. No notes.
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You *still* think that's the reason there are so many openings? ::)
Mental decline. Severe
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Jokes on Musk are fine and well, but if there is one group of people being downsized I don't feel much pity for its highly paid tech employees in Silicon Valley that work for a company that doesn't make money and have a delusional sense about what their role actually is and throw a tantrum when they don't like new management
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He's got the victimhood down...and is still clueless about what free speech means.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/3b/60/tF4qc0D8_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/tF4qc0D8)
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Voting with your wallet is free speech. See: Rakolta, Terry.
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If free speech is the priority, why is there moderation?
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He's got the victimhood down...and is still clueless about what free speech means.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/3b/60/tF4qc0D8_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/tF4qc0D8)
Oh he knows what he is doing. It's just pandering.
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Oh he knows what he is doing. It's just pandering.
Yea. I get that people don't like Musk for a variety of reasons, but constant attempts to paint him as a moron or naive or an idiot seem very dumb. I don't think his intelligence means he's an automatic success at anything he does and I think some of his plans for Twitter have thus far seemed a bit misguided. That being said, people seem to want to make him out to be a clueless whackjob or take anything he does at the most literal face value as a way to make themselves feel better about their dislike or fear of him.
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Oh he knows what he is doing. It's just pandering.
He just change his photo to a snowflake
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Yea. I get that people don't like Musk for a variety of reasons, but constant attempts to paint him as a moron or naive or an idiot seem very dumb. I don't think his intelligence means he's an automatic success at anything he does and I think some of his plans for Twitter have thus far seemed a bit misguided. That being said, people seem to want to make him out to be a clueless whackjob or take anything he does at the most literal face value as a way to make themselves feel better about their dislike or fear of him.
No, you and Hards are correct, he is pandering more than clueless I suppose. Advertisers leaving in droves is a form of free speech, but his fan bois will never make that connection.
But, if he isn't clueless about what free speech is, he is still definitely playing the whiny victim.
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Yea. I get that people don't like Musk for a variety of reasons, but constant attempts to paint him as a moron or naive or an idiot seem very dumb. I don't think his intelligence means he's an automatic success at anything he does and I think some of his plans for Twitter have thus far seemed a bit misguided. That being said, people seem to want to make him out to be a clueless whackjob or take anything he does at the most literal face value as a way to make themselves feel better about their dislike or fear of him.
Not saying he is a clueless whack job, but I do know a few people that met him/knew him and none characterized him as particularly smart. Where he excels is at networking, knowing smart people, and having a lot of money.
He also knows how the system works and can exploit it.
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I'm no a business expert, but threatening to go "thermonuclear" on advertisers doesn't seem to be a sound strategy for winning them over.
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I’ll admit this is going way worse than I expected from a PR perspective. The rubber meets the road when advertisers actually pull their spend and when functions wither due to personnel atrophy, but so far I look like a mope for predicting not much would change.
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New management says Twitter is losing $4 million a day. Hence the needs for workforce reduction
https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/04/elon-musk-twitter-layoffs-company-losing-four-million-per-day/
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Not saying he is a clueless whack job, but I do know a few people that met him/knew him and none characterized him as particularly smart. Where he excels is at networking, knowing smart people, and having a lot of money.
He also knows how the system works and can exploit it.
That seems like the biased viewpoints and revisionist history I was talking about. I’m not one of those Musk zealot fanboys who think he’s Tony Stark mixed with God, but come on. He was designing and selling video games before he was a teen. Double major in physics and Econ from U Penn. Worked at an early stage energy storage institute. Was accepted into a engineering PHD program at Stanford. I Founded and sold 2 companies for big money before PayPal. His intelligence was well established before anyone knew who he was or he had a ton of money.
People fall all over themselves venerating Steve Jobs genius, but Musk who has far more technical expertise and skill in the fields he works in is just underwhelming. But Jobs was so brilliant, but Musk is just a not particularly smart guy who lucked into money cause he’s good at networking? Gotcha
None of this means that his Twitter experiment won’t be a disaster and he might be making some huge tactical errors. But very smart and successful people f up all the time, often due to hubris, especially in fields they aren’t experienced or savvy in
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I’ll admit this is going way worse than I expected from a PR perspective. The rubber meets the road when advertisers actually pull their spend and when functions wither due to personnel atrophy, but so far I look like a mope for predicting not much would change.
So I get the layoffs. But the “advertise with Twitter or else” stuff doesn’t seem to me to have much upside.
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I work in a global media agency and my client is one of the largest automotive companies in the world. They just issued a global mandate to pause all campaigns on Twitter through end of 2022 due to concerns regarding brand safety and continuity in representation (ie. the twitter employees who service the business). These are real issues that are mostly ignored outside of the ad community. There will be more companies that do the same.
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That seems like the biased viewpoints and revisionist history I was talking about. I’m not one of those Musk zealot fanboys who think he’s Tony Stark mixed with God, but come on. He was designing and selling video games before he was a teen. Double major in physics and Econ from U Penn. Worked at an early stage energy storage institute. Was accepted into a engineering PHD program at Stanford. I Founded and sold 2 companies for big money before PayPal. His intelligence was well established before anyone knew who he was or he had a ton of money.
People fall all over themselves venerating Steve Jobs genius, but Musk who has far more technical expertise and skill in the fields he works in is just underwhelming. But Jobs was so brilliant, but Musk is just a not particularly smart guy who lucked into money cause he’s good at networking? Gotcha
None of this means that his Twitter experiment won’t be a disaster and he might be making some huge tactical errors. But very smart and successful people f up all the time, often due to hubris, especially in fields they aren’t experienced or savvy in
To be fair, the people I know that met/knew him are legit geniuses, so maybe they are biased. But just reporting what they said. They weren't particularly impressed with him.
Or they thought he was an arrogant dick and held it against his intelligence.
I haven't met him yet, so can't make my own assessment.
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So I get the layoffs. But the “advertise with Twitter or else” stuff doesn’t seem to me to have much upside.
Twitter's outside counsel is gotta be popping champ. Dude has speed run Twitter into being a defendant in at least one class action because he couldn't be bothered to comply with CA mass layoff law (or, more likely, wanted to crapcan everyone before their annual stock-comp vested). I'm jealous as hell of their receivables even if it is a last hurrah, because those lawyers are gonna get *paid*.
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Twitter's outside counsel is gotta be popping champ. Dude has speed run Twitter into being a defendant in at least one class action because he couldn't be bothered to comply with CA mass layoff law (or, more likely, wanted to crapcan everyone before their annual stock-comp vested). I'm jealous as hell of their receivables even if it is a last hurrah, because those lawyers are gonna get *paid*.
It's the federal WARN Act he's allegedly violating. Apparently, those employees in the suit are getting paid with full benefits until February, but want to stay working there for 60 days?
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Interesting view, that Twitter sold nearly 0 2023 revenue, not because of woke corporations, but they dared to ask some very basic questions, and got zero answers.
https://twitter.com/goangelo/status/1588696157794242560?s=46&t=VRgv2vACP61uuykjuigv8A
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It's the federal WARN Act he's allegedly violating. Apparently, those employees in the suit are getting paid with full benefits until February, but want to stay working there for 60 days?
California has its own version of the WARN Act, and I believe the employees are suing under both that and the federal law.
And I imagine they're less interested in the 60 days than the opportunity to stick it to Musk for what may be a clear violation of their rights.
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Yahoo Finance's Andy Serwer had a long take on Musk, which he nicely captured in this paragraph:
First, as Microsoft’s Brad Smith told me: “Elon Musk is undeniably one of the greatest technology visionaries of our generation.” Second: Running a social media company — and turning it into a super app — may or may not be outside Elon’s area of expertise. Third: Twitter now has $13 billion of debt on its books, making it highly leveraged, which will certainly affect Musk’s decisionmaking. Fourth: Even though Twitter has 238 million DAUs, Yahoo Finance’s Dan Howley points out it is getting long in the tooth as upstarts like TikTok, BeReal and Discord take market share and attract younger audiences. Fifth: We don’t know the degree to which Musk has an actual plan. Sixth: No doubt Twitter detracts from Musk running SpaceX and Tesla etc. Seventh: Many have doubted him before, and he has delivered. Sometimes. Which really has no bearing on Twitter.
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Interesting view, that Twitter sold nearly 0 2023 revenue, not because of woke corporations, but they dared to ask some very basic questions, and got zero answers.
https://twitter.com/goangelo/status/1588696157794242560?s=46&t=VRgv2vACP61uuykjuigv8A
There is no doubt Twitter needs shake-ups, including paring the staff as one cost cutting measure. I assumed their lethargy was a result of Dorsey more or less ignoring it in favor of Square/Block, but then the new CEO came in and did nothing of note whatsoever. They haven't been particularly innovative, and they failed to monetize their outsized influence. So Elon was right when he took a 9% position and said changes should be made.
But being the world's richest emmotionally-12-year-old boy and discovering that no rules apply to him isn't working in his favor. It led him to make a stupid offer (gotta get that 420 in there!) AND lock himself into an ironclad deal. Once forced to consummate the deal, he continued to signal that he would make Twitter a more toxic space and drive off scads of advertisers. Stupid business decision as Elon becomes a caricature of himself. The linked thread aptly using the word "antagonize", which I think perfectly captures Musk's MO over the last couple of years--because apparently no one in his inner circle tells him no.
There is still time, I think, to reinvigorate Twitter, but I am not sure Elon smashing a Tesla through it as 100mph is the way to achieve it.
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There is no doubt Twitter needs shake-ups, including paring the staff as one cost cutting measure. I assumed their lethargy was a result of Dorsey more or less ignoring it in favor of Square/Block, but then the new CEO came in and did nothing of note whatsoever. They haven't been particularly innovative, and they failed to monetize their outsized influence. So Elon was right when he took a 9% position and said changes should be made.
But being the world's richest emmotionally-12-year-old boy and discovering that no rules apply to him isn't working in his favor. It led him to make a stupid offer (gotta get that 420 in there!) AND lock himself into an ironclad deal. Once forced to consummate the deal, he continued to signal that he would make Twitter a more toxic space and drive off scads of advertisers. Stupid business decision as Elon becomes a caricature of himself. The linked thread aptly using the word "antagonize", which I think perfectly captures Musk's MO over the last couple of years--because apparently no one in his inner circle tells him no.
There is still time, I think, to reinvigorate Twitter, but I am not sure Elon smashing a Tesla through it as 100mph is the way to achieve it.
At least we’ll get to see a lot of angry middle-aged white guys unironically tweet “go woke, go broke”
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California has its own version of the WARN Act, and I believe the employees are suing under both that and the federal law.
And I imagine they're less interested in the 60 days than the opportunity to stick it to Musk for what may be a clear violation of their rights.
Do you actually think a judge is going to force Twitter to allow these employees to go back and touch the code? Thats a recipe for disaster. If hes paying them completely, with all of their benefits, what are their damages?
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Do you actually think a judge is going to force Twitter to allow these employees to go back and touch the code? Thats a recipe for disaster. If hes paying them completely, with all of their benefits, what are their damages?
No, nor is that what the plaintiffs are seeking. Maybe take the time to read what the complaint says.
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No, nor is that what the plaintiffs are seeking. Maybe take the time to read what the complaint says.
I have not seen the complaint, but every news organization I have read state:
The lawsuit seeks a declaration from the court and an injunction prohibiting Twitter from “conducting mass layoffs without providing the required notice”
And
considering Musk is stating he is giving these laid off employees 3 months severance and full benefits, sounds frivolous. The attorney is trying to stop Twitter from soliciting these people from signing docs giving up their right to sue? OK.
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I have not seen the complaint, but every news organization I have read state:
The lawsuit seeks a declaration from the court and an injunction prohibiting Twitter from “conducting mass layoffs without providing the required notice”
And
considering Musk is stating he is giving these laid off employees 3 months severance and full benefits, sounds frivolous. The attorney is trying to stop Twitter from soliciting these people from signing docs giving up their right to sue? OK.
What kind of law do you practice?
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What kind of law do you practice?
I practice bird law
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Not saying he is a clueless whack job, but I do know a few people that met him/knew him and none characterized him as particularly smart. Where he excels is at networking, knowing smart people, and having a lot of money.
He also knows how the system works and can exploit it.
Add in that every venture he's ever had was reliant on other people having the biggest wallet.
Remains to be seen if the Saudi's swoop in to save this disaster. Given their investment in trump it would seem likely they do so.
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Twitter's outside counsel is gotta be popping champ. Dude has speed run Twitter into being a defendant in at least one class action because he couldn't be bothered to comply with CA mass layoff law (or, more likely, wanted to crapcan everyone before their annual stock-comp vested). I'm jealous as hell of their receivables even if it is a last hurrah, because those lawyers are gonna get *paid*.
Here's more details. Somehow I think Musk has attorneys who know what they are doing.
https://www.businessinsider.com/read-blunt-email-telling-twitter-staff-jobs-axed-layoffs-2022-11 (https://www.businessinsider.com/read-blunt-email-telling-twitter-staff-jobs-axed-layoffs-2022-11)
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I have not seen the complaint, but every news organization I have read state:
The lawsuit seeks a declaration from the court and an injunction prohibiting Twitter from “conducting mass layoffs without providing the required notice”
And
considering Musk is stating he is giving these laid off employees 3 months severance and full benefits, sounds frivolous. The attorney is trying to stop Twitter from soliciting these people from signing docs giving up their right to sue? OK.
OK,. so now we agree that the employees aren't demanding to be rehired for 60 days?
Cool.
Anyhow, to answer your question:
“Plaintiffs file this action seeking to ensure that Twitter comply with the law and provide the requisite notice or severance payment in connection with the anticipated layoffs,” the complaint states.
The lawsuit asks the court to issue an order requiring Twitter to obey the WARN Act. It also seeks to prevent Twitter from soliciting employees to sign documents that could give up their right to participate in litigation.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/04/twitter-sued-by-employees-after-mass-layoffs-begin.html
In the new complaint against Twitter, the plaintiffs are asking the court to declare that Twitter has violated the federal and California WARN Acts and certify the case as a class action suit. Similar to the Tesla layoff lawsuit, lawyers are also asking the court to prohibit Twitter from forcing laid-off employees to sign documents that would release their claims without informing them of this lawsuit. The lawsuit is seeking a range of relief, including compensatory damages (including wages owed), as well as declaratory relief, pre- and post-judgment interest, plus other attorneys’ fees and costs.
https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/04/twitter-faces-a-class-action-lawsuit-over-mass-employee-layoffs-with-proper-legal-notice/
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OK,. so now we agree that the employees aren't demanding to be rehired for 60 days?
Cool.
Anyhow, to answer your question:
“Plaintiffs file this action seeking to ensure that Twitter comply with the law and provide the requisite notice or severance payment in connection with the anticipated layoffs,” the complaint states.
The lawsuit asks the court to issue an order requiring Twitter to obey the WARN Act. It also seeks to prevent Twitter from soliciting employees to sign documents that could give up their right to participate in litigation.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/04/twitter-sued-by-employees-after-mass-layoffs-begin.html
In the new complaint against Twitter, the plaintiffs are asking the court to declare that Twitter has violated the federal and California WARN Acts and certify the case as a class action suit. Similar to the Tesla layoff lawsuit, lawyers are also asking the court to prohibit Twitter from forcing laid-off employees to sign documents that would release their claims without informing them of this lawsuit. The lawsuit is seeking a range of relief, including compensatory damages (including wages owed), as well as declaratory relief, pre- and post-judgment interest, plus other attorneys’ fees and costs.
https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/04/twitter-faces-a-class-action-lawsuit-over-mass-employee-layoffs-with-proper-legal-notice/
Its actually a lawsuit that is premature and frivolous.
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Its actually a lawsuit that is premature and frivolous.
Definitely not premature, given the remedies sought.
I'll let the court decide if it's frivolous.
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Pretty good read:
https://davekarpf.substack.com/p/elons-twitter-tilt?utm_campaign=auto_share
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Definitely not premature, given the remedies sought.
I'll let the court decide if it's frivolous.
We will agree to disagree on whether or not its premature. Speaking from a class action lawyer's perspective, you generally dont file a class action until there's damages. At the time of filing you have one plaintiff who claims he was laid off without notice. Everything else coming out is showing Twitter is following each juridictions labor laws
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We will agree to disagree on whether or not its premature. Speaking from a class action lawyer's perspective, you generally dont file a class action until there's damages. At the time of filing you have one plaintiff who claims he was laid off without notice. Everything else coming out is showing Twitter is following each juridictions labor laws
So you do class action litigation? Employment law?
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To be fair, the people I know that met/knew him are legit geniuses, so maybe they are biased. But just reporting what they said. They weren't particularly impressed with him.
Or they thought he was an arrogant dick and held it against his intelligence.
I haven't met him yet, so can't make my own assessment.
That’s totally fair. He’s abrasive at best, I can absolutely see that being an issue with how people perceive him. I’ve worked with some people who were very smart with impressive credentials who were self important tools…and that surely didn’t aide me in thinking highly of their intelligence and credentials
Add in that every venture he's ever had was reliant on other people having the biggest wallet.
So like nearly every other Silicon Valley entrepreneur?
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Everything else coming out is showing Twitter is following each juridictions labor laws
Source?
Also, given that a primary goal of the litigation is preventing Twitter from coercing employees into waiving rights during the layoff process, and that process already has begun, I don't see how it's premature.
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So you do class action litigation? Employment law?
I have done a little of both. My area is healthcare law, so those intertwine.
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Source?
With all due respect. Look for yourself. I attached one link earlier. Plaintiffs atty was quoted in Bloomberg as well, stating Musk is trying to comply. I dont see a judge enjoing Twitter on any of this. If state and federal law do not allow Musk to restrict litigation rights in a layoff severance, which I dont know if it does, then Musk wont do it.
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If state and federal law do not allow Musk to restrict litigation rights in a layoff severance, which I dont know if it does, then Musk wont do it.
Because Musk has a stellar reputation for adhering to labor laws?
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Because Musk has a stellar reputation for adhering to labor laws?
Thats not a legal reason for a judge to entertain this class action
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Thats not a legal reason for a judge to entertain this class action
It wasn't presented as a legal reason for a judge to entertain this class action. i'm not filing pleadings via Scoop.
I'm just confused about why anyone would give Musk the benefit of the doubt when his record suggests he cares little for labor law.
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It wasn't presented as a legal reason for a judge to entertain this class action. i'm not filing pleadings via Scoop.
I'm just confused about why anyone would give Musk the benefit of the doubt when his record suggests he cares little for labor law.
That was the crux of the complaint, that Musk did this in the Tesla case.
Another company owned by Elon Musk, Tesla, recently engaged in mass layoffs without notice. That company attempted to obtain releases from laid off employees without informing them of their rights under the federal or California WARN Acts. A federal court subsequently ordered the company to provide employees notice of the claims that had been filed on their behalf. See Lynch v. Tesla, Inc., 2022 WL 42952953 *6 (W.D. Tex. Sept. 16, 2022).
So yes, they are basing their whole case on Musk's past behavior.
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Former Management says they grow the business too quickly
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/05/twitter-co-founder-jack-dorsey-speaks-out-after-mass-layoffs.html
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The authoritarian wannabe is threatening advertisers that leave Twitter.
“A thermonuclear name & shame is exactly what will happen if this continues.”
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The authoritarian wannabe is threatening advertisers that leave Twitter.
“A thermonuclear name & shame is exactly what will happen if this continues.”
It’s very funny because that’s *exactly * what I’d want to hear if I were directing ad spend. Overt threats.
He might be good at running a tech/mfg company, but he’s really bad at running a social media company. I don’t think he’s playing chess, I think he’s just out of his depth. This one takes skills he just doesn’t have. Or maybe his strengths of essentially forcing his vision of reality to come to pass by sheer force of will, charisma, and pressure of capital are not applicable to a world where brand managers are making decisions based on very different criteria.
An engineer being compelled to design a part in house for spacex for $5k that could be acquired externally for $120k is something he’s good at making happen. Threatening to go thermonuclear and sic legions of deranged sycophants on consumer packedged goods companies is not going to make PG increase its spend.
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What Musk doesn't get is that in order for social media to succeed, it has to be welcoming. Facebook succeeded because it drew people in with connection and now has 2 billion users. TikTok drew people in by being fun and looping video after video into sustained engagement. It's expected to hit 2 billion by next year.
Twitter has always been niche. It has what, 250 million users? If he wants up grow that, he has to do so by moderating content and creating a welcoming space. Being edgy and controversial might get headlines, but it won't draw people in on all sides, which you need to get the kind of reach and connectivity he seems to think is possible if you really want to monetize the platform.
Further, the reason sites like YouTube and TikTok went supernova was because they became massive revenue generators for some elite users. There are people who have made million dollar careers because of the platform those outlets gave them, and in return the companies made billions. Very few people will stick around if the platform they generate money for is charging them for the privilege. That's simply not how it works.
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"Free Speech!" and also "We'll drag you in front of Congress if you don't comply!"
This should soothe those nervous advertisers.
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"Free Speech!" and also "We'll drag you in front of Congress if you don't comply!"
This should soothe those nervous advertisers.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/47/96/UPP8YI50_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/UPP8YI50)
Snowflakes hate capitalism and the constitution.
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So apparently now companies shouldn’t be allowed to moderate their own content but other companies should be forced to advertise there. Really strange.
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SMALL GOVERNMENT!!!!
Unless we want government to climb into women's wombs, or government to tell corporations how to speak and advertise, or government to dictate what books Americans can read, or government to choose which votes count and which don't.
Then big government is OK because, well, that's what the Founders meant!
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Why should GM spend money on advertising in a medium that is owned by Musk, who also owns Tesla, a direct competitor to GM in the EV market? Talk about stupid.
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So apparently now companies shouldn’t be allowed to moderate their own content but other companies should be forced to advertise there. Really strange.
Free speech is a funny thing.
Even those of us who proport to believe in it fully (I include myself), in reality, have limits. Then we all worry about everyone else’s limits and defend our own.
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Why should GM spend money on advertising in a medium that is owned by Musk, who also owns Tesla, a direct competitor to GM in the EV market? Talk about stupid.
Not everyone on twitter is going to buy a Tesla.
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But GM shouldn't be giving their advertising dollars to a Tesla subsidiary.
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Free speech is a funny thing.
Even those of us who proport to believe in it fully (I include myself), in reality, have limits. Then we all worry about everyone else’s limits and defend our own.
The idiots don't know what free speech is. Of course Musk can make the moderation (or lack thereof) whatever he wants them to be. What they are upset about is that there are actual consequences for their racist, insurrectionist spew. The want people to be forced to listen their hateful, misogynistic bile, and apparently forced to support it financially.
There are already plenty of places the idiots can bleat unquestioned to their hearts' content--Gab, Parlor, Telegram, Pillow Talk or whatever the unnatural carnal knowledge it is called. But they are upset normal, sane people aren't required to listen to them and agree that their hate speech is wonderful.
Musk is perfectly within his rights to make Twitter into another Nazi safe space. But he is already reaping what he has sewn.
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But GM shouldn't be giving their advertising dollars to a Tesla subsidiary.
Twitter is not a subsidiary of Tesla
If GM makes $$ by advertising on Twitter, why shouldn't they?
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GM views Tesla as a rival. Musk owns Tesla. Giving advertising dollars to Twitter is giving dollars to the owner of a competitor.
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GM views Tesla as a rival. Musk owns Tesla. Giving advertising dollars to Twitter is giving dollars to the owner of a competitor.
Wouldn't be the first time or the last (like Netfilx ads on ESPN). If it's a net positive for GM (which it may or may not be), they will do it.
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GM views Tesla as a rival. Musk owns Tesla. Giving advertising dollars to Twitter is giving dollars to the owner of a competitor.
Amazon sells Apple products. Amazon and Apple both own media assets. Ergo, Apple should not sell products on Amazon.
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GM doesn’t have to advertise on Twitter
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Nope.
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Wouldn't be the first time or the last (like Netfilx ads on ESPN). If it's a net positive for GM (which it may or may not be), they will do it.
Yup.
If the ROI for GM indicates it is worth it to advertise on Twitter, they will do it.
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GM views Tesla as a rival. Musk owns Tesla. Giving advertising dollars to Twitter is giving dollars to the owner of a competitor.
But if they think the ads will do more good than they cost, why wouldn’t they?
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Perhaps GM WILL decide the benefit outweighs the cost. Ultimately, not my problem. I can certainly see the reasoning from both sides.
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Perhaps GM WILL decide the benefit outweighs the cost. Ultimately, not my problem. I can certainly see the reasoning from both sides.
The reasoning has nothing to do with Musk’s ownership of Tesla. It has everything to do with the uncertainty around the continued efficacy of twitter as an ad platform.
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Is your argument that the two are not related?
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Is your argument that the two are not related?
Yes
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I practice bird law
Sir, this is a Paddy's.
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It’s very funny because that’s *exactly * what I’d want to hear if I were directing ad spend. Overt threats.
He might be good at running a tech/mfg company, but he’s really bad at running a social media company. I don’t think he’s playing chess, I think he’s just out of his depth. This one takes skills he just doesn’t have. Or maybe his strengths of essentially forcing his vision of reality to come to pass by sheer force of will, charisma, and pressure of capital are not applicable to a world where brand managers are making decisions based on very different criteria.
An engineer being compelled to design a part in house for spacex for $5k that could be acquired externally for $120k is something he’s good at making happen. Threatening to go thermonuclear and sic legions of deranged sycophants on consumer packedged goods companies is not going to make PG increase its spend.
CORRECTAMUNDO
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Elon getting so mad at people changing their name and avi to match his is endlessly amusing.
Dude so badly wants to be cool.
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Twitter is not a subsidiary of Tesla
If GM makes $$ by advertising on Twitter, why shouldn't they?
Because sometimes watching your competitor light money on fire is funny, and just because you can make a couple of short term bucks doesn't mean the long term effects are worth it.
Winning a battle vs winning a war.
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Elon getting so mad at people changing their name and avi to match his is endlessly amusing.
Dude so badly wants to be cool.
Apologies if this was posted already
https://www.theonion.com/please-like-me-1848674003
"Please, for the love of all that is holy, consider me clever and interesting."
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Free speech is a funny thing.
Even those of us who proport to believe in it fully (I include myself), in reality, have limits. Then we all worry about everyone else’s limits and defend our own.
Musk's free speech limit is apparently when people make fun of him.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/cf/17/stqe9ZiV_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/stqe9ZiV)
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Elon: "I'm gonna buy Twitter!"
Elon: "I'm not gonna buy Twitter!"
Elon: "I'm gonna buy Twitter!"
Elon: "Verification is $20!"
Elon: "Verification is $8!"
Elon: "It will start in time for the election!"
Elon: "No, it won't!"
Elon: "You're fired!"
Elon: "Please come back!"
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Elon: "I'm gonna buy Twitter!"
Elon: "I'm not gonna buy Twitter!"
Elon: "I'm gonna buy Twitter!"
Elon: "Verification is $20!"
Elon: "Verification is $8!"
Elon: "It will start in time for the election!"
Elon: "No, it won't!"
Elon: "You're fired!"
Elon: "Please come back!"
That's outstanding, pbi.
Bloomberg reported that Twitter is reaching out to dozens of employees who lost their jobs and asking them to return. Some of those who are being asked to come back were "laid off by mistake," while others "were let go before management realized that their work and experience may be necessary to build the new features Musk envisions." The NYT also suggested that Twitter would delay its $8/month model - for blue check verification marks, less ads, the ability to post longer videos and priority ranking for quality content - until after the midterm elections.
Whether one loves Musk, hates him or is indifferent to him, one must acknowledge that he's been absolutely all over the place with the twatter since first announcing his interest in buying it. If one didn't know he's had huge success with Tesla and a couple other businesses, one would think he was totally clueless. He obviously never wanted Twitter, and it's kinda made him lose his mind.
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Hey, remember all the way back to November 2nd when Musk said, "Twitter needs to become by far the most accurate source of information about the world. That's our mission."?
Yeah, looks like he didn't last a week:
Twitter removes misinformation policies
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3723094-twitter-removes-misinformation-policies/
"But the Twitter Rules do not include some of the policies the platform had in place before Musk took over the company as part of his $44 billion acquisition, including rules to mitigate misinformation about COVID-19 or crisis misinformation about areas in conflict, such as Ukraine.
The rules do still keep in place Twitter’s policy on Civic Integrity, which states that users may not use Twitter’s services “for the purpose of manipulating or interfering in election of other civic processes.”
In a blog post from August, the company laid out additional rules in place ahead of the midterm elections, including labeling “misleading information” and directing users to information about voting with “prebunks.”
Those rules did not appear to be included in the rules published on Monday."
Just baffling why advertisers are fleeing, hey Musk?
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The Onion has been begging to be Twitter banned today.
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1589657164775391234?s=20&t=y7DK8DZrBhDC_63yUzM8Mw
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The Onion has been begging to be Twitter banned today.
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1589657164775391234?s=20&t=y7DK8DZrBhDC_63yUzM8Mw
Whatever they said it's "not available" anymore.
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Whatever they said it's "not available" anymore.
Link is working for me.
Here's the story:
https://www.theonion.com/please-like-me-1848674003?utm_campaign=TheOnion&utm_content=1667837329&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=twitter
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Link is working for me.
Here's the story:
https://www.theonion.com/please-like-me-1848674003?utm_campaign=TheOnion&utm_content=1667837329&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=twitter
Weird that the link was broken for me. Shrug.
Yeah I saw that story yesterday I think. The Onion, as usual, is quality stuff.
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Solid thread from another huge player in this space, Chris Sacca:
https://twitter.com/sacca/status/1589732881232203776?s=46&t=b1S-8jF74NtCIwCyFNURnQ
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Solid thread from another huge player in this space, Chris Sacca:
https://twitter.com/sacca/status/1589732881232203776?s=46&t=b1S-8jF74NtCIwCyFNURnQ
Scott Galloway has been making this point as well for the last year. There is no one to tell Elon no. His board is full of sycophants. Whether his inner circle all became sycophants because that was the way to Elon's heart, or Elon placed them there because they were already sycophants doesn't really matter, but with no guardrails he has embraced his inner 12-year-old child pretty boy.
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Solid thread from another huge player in this space, Chris Sacca:
https://twitter.com/sacca/status/1589732881232203776?s=46&t=b1S-8jF74NtCIwCyFNURnQ
Ive always thought Sacca was kind of a pompous tool. His appearances on Shark Tank were especially lame. But this was fantastic, and very well put. And refreshing, cause as his later point highlight, so much of this debate has been taken on by pie eyed Elon fanboys vs ardent Musk haters. Nice to have a nuanced opinion with experience on both a business and personal level.
Scott Galloway has been making this point as well for the last year. There is no one to tell Elon no. His board is full of sycophants. Whether his inner circle all became sycophants because that was the way to Elon's heart, or Elon placed them there because they were already sycophants doesn't really matter, but with no guardrails he has embraced his inner 12-year-old child pretty boy.
Because like 90% of the older set of new tech titans, that was the formative age when they were nerdy outcasts creating the skillset which would make them wealthy and powerful, but very much black sheep weirdos at the time. Hard to later shake that without balance and therapy, and most get neither because they are wealthy and exalted.
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Solid thread from another huge player in this space, Chris Sacca:
https://twitter.com/sacca/status/1589732881232203776?s=46&t=b1S-8jF74NtCIwCyFNURnQ
Vastly different circumstances and consequences, obviously, but much the same could have been written about Putin and his invasion of Ukraine.
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Vastly different circumstances and consequences, obviously, but much the same could have been written about Putin and his invasion of Ukraine.
That's coming awfully close to Godwin's law.
Never heard anyone say Putin's a nice guy, but he needs some "no" men around him.
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That's coming awfully close to Godwin's law.
Never heard anyone say Putin's a nice guy, but he needs some "no" men around him.
I know you're just trying to be argumentative, but you obviously don't understand what Godwin's law means.
Or are you being intentionally obtuse?
Either way, you can do better.
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Meanwhile, TSLA hit its 52-week low today. Actually, it's at its low point since early December 2020, so almost a 2-year low.
Musk wasting money on a mediocre company -- one he didn't even really want -- just because he was throwing a hissy fit has spooked and/or angered investors in his real company.
And yes, I'm long TSLA.
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Leveraging his personal stake in TSLA to secure funding to buyout Twitter is going to be an all time bad governance move.
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I know you're just trying to be argumentative, but you obviously don't understand what Godwin's law means.
Or are you being intentionally obtuse?
Either way, you can do better.
I was going to say the same thing to you. Comparing Musk to Putin is pretty close to bringing Hitler into the conversation. Closer than Musk actually being comparable to Putin. Another one of your failed arguments.
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I was going to say the same thing to you. Comparing Musk to Putin is pretty close to bringing Hitler into the conversation. Closer than Musk actually being comparable to Putin. Another one of your failed arguments.
What? You got "Musk = Putin" from what I wrote? Good Lord. I apologize for suggesting you were intentionally obtuse.
I'll go slow.
I am NOT drawing a parallel between the people. I am drawing a parallel to how they're both surrounded by people who can or will not tell them "No, that's a bad idea," and how that has led both into making what for now look like very poor decisions. And I clearly noted that the situations involved "vastly different circumstances and consequences."
Get it now? It's not hard.
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Musk and Sacks have talked about putting Twitter behind a paywall.
Seems like a bad idea.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/7/23446262/elon-musk-twitter-paywall-possible
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What? You got "Musk = Putin" from what I wrote? Good Lord. I apologize for suggesting you were intentionally obtuse.
I'll go slow.
I am NOT drawing a parallel between the people. I am drawing a parallel to how they're both surrounded by people who can or will not tell them "No, that's a bad idea," and how that has led both into making what for now look like very poor decisions. And I clearly noted that the situations involved "vastly different circumstances and consequences."
Get it now? It's not hard.
Their situations are not even close, but keep trying to paint Musk as the devil.
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Their situations are not even close, but keep trying to paint Musk as the devil.
OK, Lionel.
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Their situations are not even close, but keep trying to paint Musk as the devil.
If you are a lawyer, you should be doing a better job.
Pakuni is wiping the floor with you so far.
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One has to wonder why Musk came out and urged people to vote for Rs.
We know he leans authoritarian, but I expect money means more than politics to him.
He’s worried about government regulation most of all. Buying Twitter may make it more likely if Ds take over, but he has a lot else on the table that could be affected.
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See the recent Rolling Stone story on women working at Tesla.
Apparently there is a class action lawsuit against Tesla because women who work at Tesla are highly harassed daily with no repercussion based on the flow down attitude of it's leader. (That's the gist of the story.)
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See the recent Rolling Stone story on women working at Tesla.
Apparently there is a class action lawsuit against Tesla because women who work at Tesla are highly harassed daily with no repercussion based on the flow down attitude of it's leader. (That's the gist of the story.)
Maybe if women were in the home where they belong, it wouldn’t be an issue.
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New Management says user growth is up
https://www.ft.com/content/b8dfedb7-dcb8-4ca3-be74-3ac59376d59b
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Maybe if women were in the home where they belong, it wouldn’t be an issue.
Nah, barefoot and pregnant, aina?
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Nah, barefoot and pregnant, aina?
That, too
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Nah, barefoot and pregnant, aina?
Kitchen or bedroom.
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Outdoors beginning May 1, hey?
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One has to wonder why Musk came out and urged people to vote for Rs.
We know he leans authoritarian, but I expect money means more than politics to him.
He’s worried about government regulation most of all. Buying Twitter may make it more likely if Ds take over, but he has a lot else on the table that could be affected.
Unsure on the bolded given his formative years spent in an Apartheid society. Status with a dash of adulation seems his motivation.
If he's going to get that in bunches with a particular set of Americans then I suspect he'll leverage politics to the hilt so he gets it good.
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One has to wonder why Musk came out and urged people to vote for Rs.
We know he leans authoritarian, but I expect money means more than politics to him.
He’s worried about government regulation most of all. Buying Twitter may make it more likely if Ds take over, but he has a lot else on the table that could be affected.
I've legitimately wondered if Musk is trying to set himself up to slide into the King of the MAGAs role once 45 passes away and running for president following the same "Billionaire who owns the libs on twitter" playbook.
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Unsure on the bolded given his formative years spent in an Apartheid society. Status with a dash of adulation seems his motivation.
If he's going to get that in bunches with a particular set of Americans then I suspect he'll leverage politics to the hilt so he gets it good.
As fun as it is to dunk on every aspect of Elon Musk, I'm skeptical that he internalized the apartheid thing. Evidence suggests he actively rejected it and get the heck out of South Africa at the first opportunity. Behind the Bastards has a good podcast on him that gives a solid background (recorded long before this whole twitter fiasco fwiw).
My read is not far from that Sacca thread that someone linked. I thought for sure he would not rock the boat too much because he needed to service that debt he took on, but I was wrong about that, clearly. I think he's a visionary with a particular set of skills that lend him to be an exceptional head of a disruptive/start up vertically-integrated high-tech manufacturing companies. I do not think those skills are readily transferable to running a social media company.
I also think he's got incredibly thin skin and no qualms about wielding his position to defend his fragile ego, which is what has led to most of the own goals so far under his tenure.
If he were smart, he'd put the phone away, hire a solid outside operator who can do the disciplined cost cutting/value unlocking thing, and he could flip the company in a couple years for a profit and cement another chapter in his hagiography of "tech savant who can do no wrong" but so far I'm not seeing anything that suggests he's got the capacity to do soo.
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I've legitimately wondered if Musk is trying to set himself up to slide into the King of the MAGAs role once 45 passes away and running for president following the same "Billionaire who owns the libs on twitter" playbook.
Can he run for President? I thought he was born in South Africa.
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Can he run for President? I thought he was born in South Africa.
Ah you're right. I forgot that he's not a natural born citizen.
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Ah you're right. I forgot that he's not a natural born citizen.
Neither was Obama. <ducks>
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Neither was Obama. <ducks>
There was a time when we'd all laugh and for the most part people who believed weird fringe stuff like this were considered crazy... then we elected the main one president.
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There was a time when we'd all laugh and for the most part people who believed weird fringe stuff like this were considered crazy... then we elected the main one president.
If you had a kid in high school who had to dodge kitty litter boxes all day, you’d change your tune.
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If you had a kid in high school who had to dodge kitty litter boxes all day, you’d change your tune.
Huh?
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Huh?
He's referencing the thoroughly debunked (yet somehow still persisting) reports that there are high schools providing litter boxes in bathrooms for students who identify as cats.
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Huh?
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/misinformation/urban-myth-litter-boxes-schools-became-gop-talking-point-rcna51439
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He's referencing the thoroughly debunked (yet somehow still persisting) reports that there are high schools providing litter boxes in bathrooms for students who identify as cats.
Then they get offended when we refer to Rs as ignorant.
On the other hand, I’ve been drinking so much fresh baby blood that it seems like I have to pee all the time.
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Could we maybe keep the politics out of this topic since the first two got shut down already? Thanks.
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He's referencing the thoroughly debunked (yet somehow still persisting) reports that there are high schools providing litter boxes in bathrooms for students who identify as cats.
To be fair, Waunakee was one of those schools, and no one likes Waunakee.
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To be fair, Waunakee was one of those schools, and no one likes Waunakee.
Which is why it's the only Waunakee in the world.
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Which is why it's the only Waunakee in the world.
When I'm rich, I'm going to buy a bunch of land, start a town and call it waunakee. F them kids.
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Which is why it's the only Waunakee in the world.
Went to college with 3 guys from Waunakee. They bring back hugs of Waunakee water when they went home
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Could we maybe keep the politics out of this topic since the first two got shut down already? Thanks.
Keep up your crazy dream brother!
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Elon Musk sold billions more in Tesla stock to pay for his Twitter deal. He sold nearly $4 billion worth of shares in recent days, according to regulatory filings, bringing his total sales for the year to $36 billion.
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Which is why it's the only Waunakee in the world.
One too many, unfortunately.
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Things are going well with verification...
https://twitter.com/HeheWaitWhut/status/1590489781502611458?t=u-H5Yi0K0xJ99QjSEKQ7QA&s=19
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New Management bringing employees back to the office
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/elon-musk-warns-twitter-employees-difficult-times-ahead-ends-remote-work-report
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New Management bringing employees back to the office
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/elon-musk-warns-twitter-employees-difficult-times-ahead-ends-remote-work-report
New management sucks
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Elon Musk sold billions more in Tesla stock to pay for his Twitter deal. He sold nearly $4 billion worth of shares in recent days, according to regulatory filings, bringing his total sales for the year to $36 billion.
More stock manipulation for which Musk will never be held accountable. He was spinning rosy visions of Tesla's future stock price while (most damning) saying/hinting/implying that they would initiate a stock buy back, all in order to prop up the price as he was unloading.
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New Management bringing employees back to the office
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/elon-musk-warns-twitter-employees-difficult-times-ahead-ends-remote-work-report
That's RIF #2
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Twitter’s chief privacy officer Damien Kieran, chief information security officer Lea Kissner, and chief compliance officer Marianne Fogarty all resigned this week, according to Platformer reporter Casey Newton.
In their absence, engineers will reportedly be expected to “self-certify compliance with [Federal Trade Commission] requirements and other laws.”
The departures expose Twitter, and individual employees, to potentially billions of dollars in legal liability, stemming in particular from an agreement the company reached with the FTC in May for misusing private user data to serve ads.
In a note obtained by The Verge, a lawyer on the company’s privacy team sounded the alarm internally and encouraged employees to seek whistleblower protection if they’re asked to do anything they’re uncomfortable with.
“Over the last two weeks, Elon has shown that he cares only about recouping the losses he’s incurring as a result of failing to get out of his binding obligation to buy Twitter,” the letter reads, in part. “He chose to enter into that agreement! All of us are being put through this as a result of choices he made.”
“I have heard Alex Spiro (current head of legal) say that Elon is willing to take on huge amount of risk in relation to this company and its users,” the author wrote, “because ‘Elon puts rockets into space, he’s not afraid of the FTC.’”
Separately Thursday, Yoel Roth, Twitter’s head of Trust & Safety and a leading figure in the fight against hate speech on the platform, was also said to be leaving the company.
I can't wait for the Netflix movie in a couple of years on this debacle.
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https://twitter.com/TesIaReal/status/1590810842693799936?t=SkGPFr8dwE4Jh55lg_WNIw&s=19
https://twitter.com/drewharwell/status/1590822878274097152?t=_FQbMZaORItJy_gzRU9SXA&s=19
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1590794421418790935?t=YYD6jPdNCPsNFnnax0FwHA&s=19
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I laughed out loud at these.
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Pay for verification is going great ;D
https://twitter.com/joshuaphilll/status/1590899514638229506?s=46&t=lRUo7EtKTRbwX38RwRFqCQ
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This rules. Just amazingly funny.
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Really just making it up as he goes along huh
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https://twitter.com/TesIaReal/status/1590810842693799936?t=SkGPFr8dwE4Jh55lg_WNIw&s=19
https://twitter.com/drewharwell/status/1590822878274097152?t=_FQbMZaORItJy_gzRU9SXA&s=19
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1590794421418790935?t=YYD6jPdNCPsNFnnax0FwHA&s=19
For the legal folks. Does Twitter open itself up to legal liability in any of this. Twitter is "authenticating" these users as the legitimate people/companies that are unknown with the blue checkmark.
But they didn't do their due diligence, negligently authenticated them, and those entities then ridiculed/embarassed the well known figures/companies.
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https://twitter.com/littlebear36_/status/1590831728393953281
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For the legal folks. Does Twitter open itself up to legal liability in any of this. Twitter is "authenticating" these users as the legitimate people/companies that are unknown with the blue checkmark.
But they didn't do their due diligence, negligently authenticated them, and those entities then ridiculed/embarassed the well known figures/companies.
I doubt it.
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I doubt it.
I just hope no one impersonates Devin Nunes cow
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https://twitter.com/littlebear36_/status/1590831728393953281
1. The last 48 hours on Twitter have been amazing.
2. This is exactly why advertisers are running away.
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From Seeking Alpha:
Elon Musk didn't rule out the possibility of bankruptcy at an emergency all-hands meeting on Thursday. "The economic picture ahead is dire," he told Twitter staffers, adding that the company had "net negative cash flow of several billion dollars" (though he didn't specify over which time frame). Musk also clarified that his recent sales of Tesla stock, worth nearly $4B, were done in order to "save" Twitter.
I guess that kind of thing doesn't fall under rules about his fiduciary responsibility toward TSLA shareholders.
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Goldman Sachs will own this by January.
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https://twitter.com/donie/status/1590758268560777216?s=46&t=viwARgOCgQIdXqUS4xAyHQ
Twitter has verified Jesus Christ.
If they delete him, he will just come back three days later.
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The Twitter blue check for $8 has been cancelled
https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-says-his-companies-will-remain-well-positioned-2023-2022-11-11/
Customers will be doing chargebacks due to undelivered products or services. I suppose today is the day that Elon learns what payment processors do to you when your business receive a lot of chargebacks.
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Seeing how quickly one can go from visionary to laughingstock.
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The Twitter blue check for $8 has been cancelled
https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-says-his-companies-will-remain-well-positioned-2023-2022-11-11/
Customers will be doing chargebacks due to undelivered products or services. I suppose today is the day that Elon learns what payment processors do to you when your business receive a lot of chargebacks.
What an interesting exercise in capitalism. Usually when a company makes a change that customers don't like, they vote with the dollar and stop using the company's product.
In this case, they bought the companies product and abused it until they had to change it back. *Chefs kiss* No notes!
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Seeing how quickly one can go from visionary to laughingstock.
The man claims he is founder of two companies he didn't start. He has an ego unmatched by many. He had no business trying to lead a social media company.
Sadly, this should have been expected as his ego would get in the way of how to run social media, which is decidedly not a Tech company, and requires nuanced understanding of people, not things.
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The Twitter blue check for $8 has been cancelled
https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-says-his-companies-will-remain-well-positioned-2023-2022-11-11/
Customers will be doing chargebacks due to undelivered products or services. I suppose today is the day that Elon learns what payment processors do to you when your business receive a lot of chargebacks.
Absolutely fit for clown shoes.
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The man claims he is founder of two companies he didn't start. He has an ego unmatched by many. He had no business trying to lead a social media company.
Sadly, this should have been expected as his ego would get in the way of how to run social media, which is decidedly not a Tech company, and requires nuanced understanding of people, not things.
TSLA was 6 months old with no products and no sales and 3 employees when Musk invested and basically took over. There is a reason Musk, and Straubel who joined after him, are called co-founders with the others. There wasn't a company without them, even if they didn't file the incorporation papers.
There are plenty of valid reasons to dislike and criticize Musk, but zeroing in on minutiae like that or claiming he's not that smart are the most silly axe to grind sort of things his ardent opponents do.
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Too soon?
(https://i.imgur.com/gxIAH22.jpeg)
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I doubt it.
Edging closer.
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Interesting conversations between Musk fanboys and Musk haters.
But I think two things are true.
1. Musk has made the world a better place.
2. Musk has made the world a worse place.
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Interesting conversations between Musk fanboys and Musk haters.
But I think two things are true.
1. Musk has made the world a better place.
2. Musk has made the world a worse place.
I absolutely agree. Its an interesting duality in someone notable/powerful/etc... that people seem to struggle grasping.
1. Musk is an incredibly successful and innovative businessman
2. Musk has been immeasurably bad at executing a short term "quick fix" for Twitter
1. Musk is very intelligent and thoughtful
2. Musk, like all humans even very very smart ones, does incredibly dumb things (his are just front and center and amplified by hubris)
Hell, you could do the same with TSLA the car company.
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TSLA was 6 months old with no products and no sales and 3 employees when Musk invested and basically took over. There is a reason Musk, and Straubel who joined after him, are called co-founders with the others. There wasn't a company without them, even if they didn't file the incorporation papers.
There are plenty of valid reasons to dislike and criticize Musk, but zeroing in on minutiae like that or claiming he's not that smart are the most silly axe to grind sort of things his ardent opponents do.
Agreed.
As a TSLA shareholder, I'm not thrilled that he spent tens of billions of dollars on a failing company out of spite and hubris. He didn't even want the damn company, and now he's got both a financial albatross and a political clown-show on his hands.
But what he's done with TSLA has mostly been remarkable (which is why I've been an investor for years), and in many ways he has been a visionary.
Still, he's a rich, famous egomaniac who wants to be worshiped and who doesn't like being told "no." So he'll naturally be hated by millions, too.
A real interesting guy. It would be great if somebody with true insight into him wrote a book or made a biopic.
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Agreed.
As a TSLA shareholder, I'm not thrilled that he spent tens of billions of dollars on a failing company out of spite and hubris. He didn't even want the damn company, and now he's got both a financial albatross and a political clown-show on his hands.
But what he's done with TSLA has mostly been remarkable (which is why I've been an investor for years), and in many ways he has been a visionary.
Still, he's a rich, famous egomaniac who wants to be worshiped and who doesn't like being told "no." So he'll naturally be hated by millions, too.
A real interesting guy. It would be great if somebody with true insight into him wrote a book or made a biopic.
44 billion dollar lessons are hilarious.
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https://twitter.com/rafaelshimunov/status/1591133819918114816?t=_y5uX9xyfu0cAMaJ5_-vmQ&s=19
Whoa
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https://twitter.com/rafaelshimunov/status/1591133819918114816?t=_y5uX9xyfu0cAMaJ5_-vmQ&s=19
Whoa
free speech is great!!
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free speech is great!!
It is pretty gross how expensive insulin is.
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https://twitter.com/rafaelshimunov/status/1591133819918114816?t=_y5uX9xyfu0cAMaJ5_-vmQ&s=19
Whoa
Lockheed Martin too!
https://twitter.com/litcapital/status/1591172069965713409?s=20&t=OMUOzvLN-QR4-SdStU9Bxw
Takes someone pretty special to lose billions in multiple companies in a day, including two he didn't own!
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TSLA was 6 months old with no products and no sales and 3 employees when Musk invested and basically took over. There is a reason Musk, and Straubel who joined after him, are called co-founders with the others. There wasn't a company without them, even if they didn't file the incorporation papers.
There are plenty of valid reasons to dislike and criticize Musk, but zeroing in on minutiae like that or claiming he's not that smart are the most silly axe to grind sort of things his ardent opponents do.
My comment was directly focused on his ego and how it negatively affects his abilities, particularly in relation to trying to run a social media company.
It is a fact that he neither founded Tesla, or PayPal, but claims both. He actually filed a lawsuit to be allowed to claim being a founder of Tesla. That highlights his ego knows no bounds, as no-one discredits his role in building Tesla, yet his ego could not be satisfied unless he gets to be a "founder".
That ego is biting him in the ass right now.
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Lockheed Martin too!
https://twitter.com/litcapital/status/1591172069965713409?s=20&t=OMUOzvLN-QR4-SdStU9Bxw
Takes someone pretty special to lose billions in multiple companies in a day, including two he didn't own!
Ehh, the only company actually losing billions is Twitter. The others lost billions in Market Cap for a few days. Its not some tangible loss on their books that will endure or cost anyone anything. Just algo moves by automated programs who scrape news and social media for keywords.
Its hilariously bad for Twitter and will only further implode credibility to Musk's plans in the near term, but Eli Lily or Lockhead aren't actually going to be harmed even 2 weeks from now.
My comment was directly focused on his ego and how it negatively affects his abilities, particularly in relation to trying to run a social media company.
It is a fact that he neither founded Tesla, or PayPal, but claims both. He actually filed a lawsuit to be allowed to claim being a founder of Tesla. That highlights his ego knows no bounds, as no-one discredits his role in building Tesla, yet his ego could not be satisfied unless he gets to be a "founder".
That ego is biting him in the ass right now.
Yea thats not even remotely true. For PayPal as well. Its quieted recently but there were plenty of people who claimed he stole technology and ideas for Tesla and he was a fraud. That he was just lucky and rode coattails at PayPal. There is a whole segment of the finance/Wall St industry who bet against him and Tesla/Solar City as a result.
Hes hardly unique in the fixation on being a "founder" in Silicon Valley. People have an obsession with it and the cache that comes with it. Both actual founders and those who shade non-founders. Even if its just as impressive to take a small company over and make it monstrous. Especially for guys like Musk who identify as creators and builders.
I don't disagree he has an ego the size of TSLA's market cap. And its only gotten larger the last 5 years. I just don't think thats a great indicator of it. His actions within Twitter are another story all together.
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When life gives you a dumpster fire, roast marshmallows.
Who brought the marshmallows?
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No he has a plan, right?
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When life gives you a dumpster fire, roast marshmallows.
Who brought the marshmallows?
I don’t know about marshmallows, but I’m feeling pretty good tonight.
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No he has a plan, right?
Ziggy, you bringing back @coachtomcrean?
Those were the days.
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He forgot to add, "Many people say..." and "believe me".
(https://images2.imgbox.com/3b/46/2wHw7q3m_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/2wHw7q3m)
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Bigly.
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Bigly.
Someone’s getting fired bigly!
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Ziggy, you bringing back @coachtomcrean?
Those were the days.
That WAS funny.
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He forgot to add, "Many people say..." and "believe me".
(https://images2.imgbox.com/3b/46/2wHw7q3m_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/2wHw7q3m)
Wait until the real studies come out
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Ziggy, you bringing back @coachtomcrean?
Those were the days.
Sadly, that account is still banned.
Funny enough, TC blocked my everyday account. I think I was touting @ CTC to get blocked. 😄
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Sadly, that account is still banned.
Funny enough, TC blocked my everyday account. I think I was touting @ CTC to get blocked. 😄
*skypoint
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Lol
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GM is looking very wise.
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Lol
Tell me you don’t know how microservices work without telling me you don’t know how microservices work.
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He doesn't know anything about how a social media company works.
Incredibly thin-skinned, sure he knows more than anyone else about every single thing, lashes out against anyone that tells him no, uses other peoples' money, plots vengeance against anyone that doesn't bend to his will... when is Musk going to start wearing orange makeup?
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From the NYT DealBook:
Just a week ago, Elon Musk directed Twitter to lay off about half of its employees in a ruthless round of cost-cutting. His no-nonsense management style was on further display over the past few days as he fired software engineers. Only, they weren’t whistle-blowers — they questioned their boss in public.
Eric Frohnhoefer challenged Musk on Twitter, after the billionaire apologized for the slow performance of the platform in several countries. Musk blamed that on technical issues. Frohnhoefer, who had worked on Twitter’s Android app for six years, disagreed.
Ben Leib, who had been an engineer at Twitter for a decade, also disputed Musk’s technical assertion, saying, “I can confidently say that this man has no idea” what he was talking about.
Musk tweeted yesterday that he had fired Frohnhoefer, which the engineer retweeted with a salute emoji. Leib also confirmed that he too had been fired. When Frohnhoefer was asked on Twitter why he publicly rebuked his boss, he responded, “Maybe he should ask questions privately. Maybe use Slack or email.”
Employees speaking out publicly against Musk is the latest sign of chaos at Twitter. Platformer reports that Musk ignored internal warnings about likely problems with his plan to extend verified status to Twitter Blue subscribers. Platformer also reports that he ordered an unexpected code freeze at the platform, forcing software engineers to write planned changes on their personal computers.
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https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3443951/elon-musk-reportedly-fired-a-bunch-of-twitter-employees-for-talking-crap-about-him-in-the-companys-slack#story-comments
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https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3443951/elon-musk-reportedly-fired-a-bunch-of-twitter-employees-for-talking-crap-about-him-in-the-companys-slack#story-comments
Honestly, in a vaccuum, I don't have a ton of issue with that. Especially when you're taking over a failing/struggling company and you need to enact change. Cutting out problem employees who could affect company culture/other employee perceptions isn't uncommon. People who immediately have an issue with that conflate running a business or company with some sort of free speech platform or playing nice with everyone.
That being said, this isn't in a vacuum and this looks as haphazard as anything Musk has already done so far. Not exactly conducive to properly utilizing the talent you do have and realizing you can't do this all on your own. Twitter undoubtedly had legions of overpaid, cushy employees who coasted while the company floundered financially. However, instead of surgically cutting the fat, Musk is looking like the Queen of Hearts chopping off heads.
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592582828499570688?t=rIhfkaO3aorlPW2RxqQZdA&s=19
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592569305941807104?t=LqGPfV3d91f2QwTOW1Pmrw&s=19
I mean...
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592582828499570688?t=rIhfkaO3aorlPW2RxqQZdA&s=19
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592569305941807104?t=LqGPfV3d91f2QwTOW1Pmrw&s=19
I mean...
Nm
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Tell me you don’t know how microservices work without telling me you don’t know how microservices work.
I mean, Musk nearly tanked PayPal due to poor architecture decisioning before the board replaced him with Peter Thiel in like 1 year. People should have seen this BS coming a mile away.
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Twitter going hardcore. I thought it already was….or so I’ve been told.
Elon Musk orders Twitter workers to commit ‘hardcore’ this week — or get fired
https://nypost.com/2022/11/16/elon-musk-orders-twitter-workers-to-commit-hardcore-or-be-fired/amp/
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Twitter going hardcore. I thought it already was….or so I’ve been told.
Elon Musk orders Twitter workers to commit ‘hardcore’ this week — or get fired
https://nypost.com/2022/11/16/elon-musk-orders-twitter-workers-to-commit-hardcore-or-be-fired/amp/
I actually think this isn’t a bad idea.
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I actually think this isn’t a bad idea.
Yeah, it's always a good idea to demonstrate to the entire world that you have no idea how anything works at the company you are running. Fire a whole bunch of essential employees, try to hire them back, have zero understanding of how 2FA works, and completely botch the roll out of a new service that embarrasses the entire company.
Then tell everyone that still works there, that they will need to work insane hours, or be fired...but provide zero incentive for those people to remain.
That's a brilliant way to make your most important employees stay and want to work harder. It's totally not a way to get the most important and hardest working employees to go find a better company to work for.
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And the HR department is thrilled that musk is making it policy for salaried employees are required to work in excess of 40 hours as a standard week in order to keep their jobs. Yeah, no lawsuits there.
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Then tell everyone that still works there, that they will need to work insane hours, or be fired...but provide zero incentive for those people to remain.
That's a brilliant way to make your most important employees stay and want to work harder. It's totally not a way to get the most important and hardest working employees to go find a better company to work for.
There is an incentive, keep their very highly paid job. Again, it’s not some fluffing of Musk to state that many Twitter employees were paid exceptional well for years working for a company that was utterly failing as a business. Now being asked to make sacrifices and work extra hard/out of the box/different than they did for the last few years to keep that job, that’s not an absurd ask.
Musk’s plan and methods have left a lot to desire, but that doesn’t have to also mean that there wasn’t a bunch of major issues, business and culture wise, at that company that needed to change. Rebelling against Musk the megalomaniac has a lot of people completely forgetting what a mess Twitter was forever and suddenly making these employees out to be selfless geniuses who were killing it before the new mean boss.
And the HR department is thrilled that musk is making it policy for salaried employees are required to work in excess of 40 hours as a standard week in order to keep their jobs. Yeah, no lawsuits there.
Is there plenty of plausible deniability here? As long as the document doesn’t expressly state “you MUST work 60/70/80 hours weekly”? Hundreds of companies state an expectation that you will not be working 9 to 5 and that a punch in punch out 40 hour week won’t cut it in interviews, recruitment, orientation, etc…. And it’s not like a Twitter star is going to leave and go to another competitive high paying Silicon Valley company and work 40 hours. They don’t put all the free perks and toys and food and fun rooms in the offices for people to mess around during the day and then leave at 5
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There is an incentive, keep their very highly paid job. Again, it’s not some fluffing of Musk to state that many Twitter employees were paid exceptional well for years working for a company that was utterly failing as a business. Now being asked to make sacrifices and work extra hard/out of the box/different than they did for the last few years to keep that job, that’s not an absurd ask.
Musk’s plan and methods have left a lot to desire, but that doesn’t have to also mean that there wasn’t a bunch of major issues, business and culture wise, at that company that needed to change. Rebelling against Musk the megalomaniac has a lot of people completely forgetting what a mess Twitter was forever and suddenly making these employees out to be selfless geniuses who were killing it before the new mean boss.
He's creating a toxic culture. Employees that are good at what they do can and will go elsewhere. This is a recipe destined to retain those who can't find another job, a means to retain the employees you actually want to get rid of.
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He's creating a toxic culture. Employees that are good at what they do can and will go elsewhere. This is a recipe destined to retain those who can't find another job, a means to retain the employees you actually want to get rid of.
I actually think there will be a number of younger, talented people that will stick it out because it is a challenge that will look good on a resume. And could be financially rewarding.
We will see.
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I actually think there will be a number of younger, talented people that will stick it out because it is a challenge that will look good on a resume. And could be financially rewarding.
We will see.
You clearly don’t know younger people. They don’t like to work, they only want handouts and are over reliant on technology.
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He's creating a toxic culture. Employees that are good at what they do can and will go elsewhere. This is a recipe destined to retain those who can't find another job, a means to retain the employees you actually want to get rid of.
Forgetful
It’s clear you know much more about running a business than Musk. Why not start one and become the world’s richest man?
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You clearly don’t know younger people. They don’t like to work, they only want handouts and are over reliant on technology.
And don't have sex.
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Forgetful
It’s clear you know much more about running a business than Musk. Why not start one and become the world’s richest man?
It'd be hard since forgetful won't get to start with enormous wealth.
Stop licking billionaire's boots.
It's okay to criticize people who are being stupid, and Musk certainly is.
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Forgetful
It’s clear you know much more about running a business than Musk. Why not start one and become the world’s richest man?
So, every extremely rich person is perfect and therefore can't be criticized?
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Forgetful
It’s clear you know much more about running a business than Musk. Why not start one and become the world’s richest man?
I work for a company whose culture became wildly toxic over the past 5 years. Turn over was the largest it ever was. We turned more employees in the last two years than the previous 20 I was here. We bought out the cause and fired his underling. The difference is stark. And yet, productivity continues unabated. Also, turnover ceased. Before these guys came aboard, we were the envy of the business and people applied with us all the time from the competetion. I actively tried poaching talent. That ceased the last five years because I wouldn’t wish what was our culture one anyone
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The culture is already toxic and people are clearly unhappy. The owner of the business is giving an off-ramp to people who don't want to be a part of it any longer, and is laying out the expectations for those who remain. Musk has a reputation for being demanding, but Tesla is supposed to be a good place to work.
Again, I can actually see this improving the culture over time if the people who don't like what Musk is doing just leave.
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The culture is already toxic and people are clearly unhappy. The owner of the business is giving an off-ramp to people who don't want to be a part of it any longer, and is laying out the expectations for those who remain. Musk has a reputation for being demanding, but Tesla is supposed to be a good place to work.
Again, I can actually see this improving the culture over time if the people who don't like what Musk is doing just leave.
Yes, but it my opinion, this step should have came before the mass layoffs.
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The culture is already toxic and people are clearly unhappy. The owner of the business is giving an off-ramp to people who don't want to be a part of it any longer, and is laying out the expectations for those who remain. Musk has a reputation for being demanding, but Tesla is supposed to be a good place to work.
Again, I can actually see this improving the culture over time if the people who don't like what Musk is doing just leave.
The problem is, as someone else said, he is incenting the talented people to leave and the poor and mediocre to stick around. The only thing working in Musk's favor is that tech darlings are currently shedding jobs, so it isn't quite as easy to job hop in the industry as it was even just 6 months ago.
Nonetheless, the best people are going to have options, the poor ones are going to be anchored to Twitter, making the culture even more challenging and contributing little to actually remaking the company.
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Lenny thinks he's a character in Succession.
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So, every extremely rich person is perfect and therefore can't be criticized?
To a certain segment of the population, a person's wealth is a reflection of their "goodness"
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The problem is, as someone else said, he is incenting the talented people to leave and the poor and mediocre to stick around. The only thing working in Musk's favor is that tech darlings are currently shedding jobs, so it isn't quite as easy to job hop in the industry as it was even just 6 months ago.
Nonetheless, the best people are going to have options, the poor ones are going to be anchored to Twitter, making the culture even more challenging and contributing little to actually remaking the company.
How is he incenting the talented people to leave? Talented people don't like to work hard?
And talented people ALWAYS have options - they don't have to rely on a three month severance to find their next gig.
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How is he incenting the talented people to leave? Talented people don't like to work hard?
And talented people ALWAYS have options - they don't have to rely on a three month severance to find their next gig.
Talented people with options won't stick around if the inducement to do so is "work more and more intensely for the same pay in this toxic culture I'm building or you're fired" because they view it as a "challenge."
The only people who remain under such circumstances are the ones without options.
Yes, talented people always have options. Which is why making your business the least appealing option doesn't seem to be a solid strategy.
But what do we know? We're not Elon Musk.
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Talented people with options won't stick around if the inducement to do so is "work more and more intensely for the same pay in this toxic culture I'm building or you're fired" because they view it as a "challenge."
The only people who remain under such circumstances are the ones without options.
Yes, talented people always have options. Which is why making your business the least appealing option doesn't seem to be a solid strategy.
But what do we know? We're not Elon Musk.
Couple devils advocate points...
Even before Musk, there was an opinion, amongst Wall St analysts and others, that Twitter had a lot of very well compensated people who were objectively bad at their jobs, that job being creating and running operations for a profitable company. Twitter was always among the better paying companies in the space despite not having results like others. So people were being overpaid for underperformance for years, so I don't know if requiring above and beyond performance befitting of their roles and compensation is expecting more work for less pay. If you're in a normal salaried 9 to 5 making X but only working 20 hours a week, taking 2 hour lunches and new management comes in and says "this company is messed up, everyone is working 40 hours a week, 30 min lunch max till we fix this". I don't view that as being toxic-ly asked to work more for the same pay.
Of course anyone who doesn't like it, in either scenario is more than welcome to leave and I could understand why they would. If the grass is truly greener, remains to be seen.
The other point is that Ive seen a TON of "I love Twitter. I love the work. I love the company/product/my job" posts from current or former employees. Could be a stress test from Musk to see how many people actually do versus just loving the cushy culture at "fun" tech company. Again, there may be better ways to go about it, but you do need to figure out at some point what you really have talent and buy-in wise when the rubber meets the road.
Ive criticized Musk plenty in here and I don't think he has much of a clue when it comes to actual operational strategy for an app like this. Not all tech companies are created equal. Just like incredibly successful and intelligent business people failing miserably when buying a sports franchise or diversifying their brand into a space they know NOTHING about.
That being said, I do find it really amusing that people are acting like, that particular app tech knowledge aside, he doesn't have a track record of pushing and getting the most out of engineering and tech talent and running businesses that require overhauls or completely new ways of doing things. He needs consiglieres experienced in the space to convert his overall vision or desires into actionable steps within the ways of working for a company like this.
And also, suddenly people are painting Twitter, the company, as some high functioning and efficient utopia that suddenly Musk has cruelly ruined, which is hilarious in and of itself.
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It'd be hard since forgetful won't get to start with enormous wealth.
Stop licking billionaire's boots.
It's okay to criticize people who are being stupid, and Musk certainly is.
C'mon, Hards. Lenny is pulling for another tax cut for these people.
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That being said, I do find it really amusing that people are acting like, that particular app tech knowledge aside, he doesn't have a track record of pushing and getting the most out of engineering and tech talent and running businesses that require overhauls or completely new ways of doing things. He needs consiglieres experienced in the space to convert his overall vision or desires into actionable steps within the ways of working for a company like this.
And also, suddenly people are painting Twitter, the company, as some high functioning and efficient utopia that suddenly Musk has cruelly ruined, which is hilarious in and of itself.
The appeal to authority argument here continues to get weaker by the day, but regardless, has anyone actually said or implied either of these things?
Seems to me that the criticism of Musk here and elsewhere has centered entirely around his handling of Twitter. No one is suggesting he hasn't been tremendously successful with some of his other ventures. (Nor, should I note, is anyone raising some of his notable failures).
And I can't recall a single post here - or story I've read online - suggesting Twitter was a high-functioning and efficient anything.
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How is he incenting the talented people to leave? Talented people don't like to work hard?
By being a total free speech advocate who will not allow free speech to the talented people in his own company?
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By being a total free speech advocate who will not allow free speech to the talented people in his own company?
To be fair, they're free to speak, but are not free of the consequences of their speech.
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The appeal to authority argument here continues to get weaker by the day, but regardless, has anyone actually said or implied either of these things?
Seems to me that the criticism of Musk here and elsewhere has centered entirely around his handling of Twitter. No one is suggesting he hasn't been tremendously successful with some of his other ventures. (Nor, should I note, is anyone raising some of his notable failures).
And I can't recall a single post here - or story I've read online - suggesting Twitter was a high-functioning and efficient anything.
By and large the discussion here (being Scoop) has been reasonable, except maybe implications that he's not actually that smart. Hence why I didn't quote or call out anything.
Elsewhere, especially on Twitter or the internet? Absolutely. There has been a lot of pitying and mewling for Twitter employees in order to crap on Musk. Why mess with a good thing? Why couldn't this have been handled with white gloves, not wholesale changes, cause it was all quite good .I could go and post a bunch of Twitter links but it wouldn't add much to the discussion. Repeatedly talking about geniuses and "brilliant engineers" that are being done wrong by Musk while Twitter has been around for nearly 20 years, hasnt changed all that much, routinely has severe problems, and never made meaningful profits.
I'm not saying "F them all" but 3 month severance to leave a company that you've contributed to floundering for years isn't some horror story.
I guess alot of the Musk bashing is the broad brush recency bias that people are all too fond of these days. You're only as good as your recent efforts. Coaches with a decade of success are morons who have no clue what they are doing during a bad season. Politicians are heroes one month, villains the next. Etc...
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I'm not saying "F them all" but 3 month severance to leave a company that you've contributed to floundering for years isn't some horror story.
I'm not sure it's fair or accurate to pin Twitter's struggles on individual employees. In fact, we both know it's not. Twitter's struggles aren't because its employees don't try hard enough or punch out before putting in an 11-hour day. The struggles are largely structural issues and problems inherent in what it does. These issues are far outside the control of 99% of the workforce.
I guess alot of the Musk bashing is the broad brush recency bias that people are all too fond of these days. You're only as good as your recent efforts. Coaches with a decade of success are morons who have no clue what they are doing during a bad season. Politicians are heroes one month, villains the next. Etc...
Sure.
And a lot of it is because he's a colossal prick.
And the flip side to this, of course, is the undeserved hero worship that comes with financial success.
It may not be a uniquely American affliction, but we're certainly among the world leaders when it comes to conflating wealth with virtue.
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By being a total free speech advocate who will not allow free speech to the talented people in his own company?
Someone doesn't understand how free speech works.
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Couple devils advocate points...
Even before Musk, there was an opinion, amongst Wall St analysts and others, that Twitter had a lot of very well compensated people who were objectively bad at their jobs, that job being creating and running operations for a profitable company. Twitter was always among the better paying companies in the space despite not having results like others. So people were being overpaid for underperformance for years, so I don't know if requiring above and beyond performance befitting of their roles and compensation is expecting more work for less pay. If you're in a normal salaried 9 to 5 making X but only working 20 hours a week, taking 2 hour lunches and new management comes in and says "this company is messed up, everyone is working 40 hours a week, 30 min lunch max till we fix this". I don't view that as being toxic-ly asked to work more for the same pay.
Of course anyone who doesn't like it, in either scenario is more than welcome to leave and I could understand why they would. If the grass is truly greener, remains to be seen.
The other point is that Ive seen a TON of "I love Twitter. I love the work. I love the company/product/my job" posts from current or former employees. Could be a stress test from Musk to see how many people actually do versus just loving the cushy culture at "fun" tech company. Again, there may be better ways to go about it, but you do need to figure out at some point what you really have talent and buy-in wise when the rubber meets the road.
Ive criticized Musk plenty in here and I don't think he has much of a clue when it comes to actual operational strategy for an app like this. Not all tech companies are created equal. Just like incredibly successful and intelligent business people failing miserably when buying a sports franchise or diversifying their brand into a space they know NOTHING about.
That being said, I do find it really amusing that people are acting like, that particular app tech knowledge aside, he doesn't have a track record of pushing and getting the most out of engineering and tech talent and running businesses that require overhauls or completely new ways of doing things. He needs consiglieres experienced in the space to convert his overall vision or desires into actionable steps within the ways of working for a company like this.
And also, suddenly people are painting Twitter, the company, as some high functioning and efficient utopia that suddenly Musk has cruelly ruined, which is hilarious in and of itself.
I think there is near universal agreement that Twitter was underperforming as a company, particularly given the importance (if you will) of the platform. It's why I invested in it after they jettisoned Jack, with the thesis that new management would have more focus on making improvements (spoiler: they didn't).
So everything you are saying about the need to shake up a company that was sort of fat and lazy is true. But it is also equally true that Musk seems to be choosing the worst possible ways to do so, ways that will alienate and jettison the people he most needs, including advertisers.
However, I think you'd have a very difficult time finding anyone painting Twitter as a high functioning and efficient utopia.
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Someone doesn't understand how free speech works.
Your usual drivel.
I never said it was a ‘free speech issue’. I know it makes your comment seem deeper by pretending I did.
My comment was just saying that a guy who is the ultimate free speecher wants to squelch free speech in his own company.
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Your usual drivel.
I never said it was a ‘free speech issue’. I know it makes your comment seem deeper by pretending I did.
My comment was just saying that a guy who is the ultimate free speecher wants to squelch free speech in his own company.
So it's not a "free speech issue"...but then you make it out as a free speech issue.
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Shocking but maybe this wasn’t well thought out by musk.
Scoop: I am hearing far fewer than expected devs hit "yes".
https://twitter.com/gergelyorosz/status/1593335536697090048?s=46&t=rKf40iP288wPI0Wmu7BZwQ
Elon sent out an email relaxing remote working from the former draconian policy.
I'm hearing he is having meetings w top engineers to convince them to stay.
Sounds like playing hardball does not work. Ofc it doesn't.
The new remote policy is how remote work is approved as long as the manager of the engineer takes responsibility that the dev makes excellent contributions.
In-person meetings w teammates are expected ideally weekly; the very least monthly.
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Shocking but maybe this wasn’t well thought out by musk.
Scoop: I am hearing far fewer than expected devs hit "yes".
https://twitter.com/gergelyorosz/status/1593335536697090048?s=46&t=rKf40iP288wPI0Wmu7BZwQ
Elon sent out an email relaxing remote working from the former draconian policy.
I'm hearing he is having meetings w top engineers to convince them to stay.
Sounds like playing hardball does not work. Ofc it doesn't.
The new remote policy is how remote work is approved as long as the manager of the engineer takes responsibility that the dev makes excellent contributions.
In-person meetings w teammates are expected ideally weekly; the very least monthly.
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Almost as if they could 'collectively bargain' by not clicking yes. Hmmmm... Hmmmm...
This was 100% a bully move by Elon.
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Shocking but maybe this wasn’t well thought out by musk.
Scoop: I am hearing far fewer than expected devs hit "yes".
https://twitter.com/gergelyorosz/status/1593335536697090048?s=46&t=rKf40iP288wPI0Wmu7BZwQ
Elon sent out an email relaxing remote working from the former draconian policy.
I'm hearing he is having meetings w top engineers to convince them to stay.
Sounds like playing hardball does not work. Ofc it doesn't.
The new remote policy is how remote work is approved as long as the manager of the engineer takes responsibility that the dev makes excellent contributions.
In-person meetings w teammates are expected ideally weekly; the very least monthly.
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Hell of a thread reading the whole thing
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Hell of a thread reading the whole thing
Yup, pretty much what we have been saying here: crap all over people, fire half of them with little or no thought, threaten those that remain. Anyone good will leave, only those with no options will stay, which are mostly the people you actually would benefit most from getting rid of.
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Yeah, I'd want to stay around and work with this guy...
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We're hearing this is because Elon Musk and his team are terrified employees are going to sabotage the company. Also, they're still trying to figure out which Twitter workers they need to cut access for.
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Yeah, I'd want to stay around and work with this guy...
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We're hearing this is because Elon Musk and his team are terrified employees are going to sabotage the company. Also, they're still trying to figure out which Twitter workers they need to cut access for.
Libs owned
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Yeah, I'd want to stay around and work with this guy...
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We're hearing this is because Elon Musk and his team are terrified employees are going to sabotage the company. Also, they're still trying to figure out which Twitter workers they need to cut access for.
Nice CYA for when then they don’t have enough engineers to keep the lights because of his petulance and man-baby outbursts and Twitter goes down, it will because of “sabotage” .
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So it's not a "free speech issue"...but then you make it out as a free speech issue.
It is called irony. A man who is all about free speech telling his employees they will be fired if they follow his lead.
So no, it is not a constitutional free speech issue. It is about the free speech pronouncements of Twitter’s leader.
But I think your reading comprehension is just fine and you just wanted to make a snarky remark.
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It is called irony. A man who is all about free speech telling his employees they will be fired if they follow his lead.
So no, it is not a constitutional free speech issue. It is about the free speech pronouncements of Twitter’s leader.
But I think your reading comprehension is just fine and you just wanted to make a snarky remark.
No I think you’re just sad that your sixth grade level logic was so easily dismantled.
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Sounds like the "hardcore" thing went about as expected
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From the Internet:
Twitter is crashing and burning faster than a tesla.
So apparently the guy who enabled Snoopy and Jesus Christ to have verified accounts for $8 and fired most of the company’s talent, is worried about someone sabotaging #Twitter….
And from Dan Rather, ouch
I remember the old saying, “Better to be thought a fool than to buy Twitter and remove all doubt.”
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@justinbaragona: According to the New York Times, employees at Twitter just began hanging up as Elon Musk was talking during videoconference call today, apparently deciding to quit and take the severance package as the 5 pm deadline
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https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6655881
As I stated earlier today, Musk is being a bully and its going to cost him BILLIONS.
What an absolute genius businessman!
FAFO
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So, every extremely rich person is perfect and therefore can't be criticized?
Yeah, Mike. That’s exactly what I said. Never.
Forgetful has gone on and on in this thread. The geniuses he hangs with don’t think Musk is all that smart. Hards claims he comes from “enormous wealth” and belittles his accomplishments. Lots of others here echo the “He’s stupid” line.
He’s certainly not beyond criticism. And I never ceded him any moral high ground because of his success. But the envy here is palpable and it’s not a particularly good look. Sorry for the interruption - get back to the circle jerk with all the geniuses here who know what a dumb sh!t Elon Musk is. Funny stuff.
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Yeah, Mike. That’s exactly what I said. Never.
Forgetful has gone on and on in this thread. The geniuses he hangs with don’t think Musk is all that smart. Hards claims he comes from “enormous wealth” and belittles his accomplishments. Lots of others here echo the “He’s stupid” line.
He’s certainly not beyond criticism. And I never ceded him any moral high ground because of his success. But the envy here is palpable and it’s not a particularly good look. Sorry for the interruption - get back to the circle jerk with all the geniuses here who know what a dumb sh!t Elon Musk is. Funny stuff.
I'm in agreement with much of what you said but to downplay the wealth he comes from is either being willfully ignorant or flat out stupid.
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Yeah, Mike. That’s exactly what I said. Never.
Forgetful has gone on and on in this thread. The geniuses he hangs with don’t think Musk is all that smart. Hards claims he comes from “enormous wealth” and belittles his accomplishments. Lots of others here echo the “He’s stupid” line.
He’s certainly not beyond criticism. And I never ceded him any moral high ground because of his success. But the envy here is palpable and it’s not a particularly good look. Sorry for the interruption - get back to the circle jerk with all the geniuses here who know what a dumb sh!t Elon Musk is. Funny stuff.
Zero envy for Musk. I don't want his life and never did. And you make a ton of assumptions about people you don't know.
And I never went on and on. I made one statement that people I know and respect don't think he's much of a genius. I stand by that statement. I also made it clear that I've never met Musk so can't make my own call on that. The rest of my posts were criticizing amazingly bad decisions he made, and continues to make.
You then attacked me for criticizing bad decisions of his, because how dare I, someone you know nothing about, criticize a man who became the world's richest person.
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I'm in agreement with much of what you said but to downplay the wealth he comes from is either being willfully ignorant or flat out stupid.
There is really no tangible evidence to support the whole “vast wealth from emerald mines” theory. The only tangible evidence for Musk’s inherited wealth is his dad’s $25K investment in Zip2. And if that’s the barometer, I should tell a bunch of middle/upper middle class kids I know, whose parents paid $25-$50k for their college in the late 90s/early 2000s, that they come from great wealth.
Musk wasn’t destitute but he wasn’t some silver spoon trust funder who just moved around his family’s millions. Just like he’s not some unimpeachable business god who never missteps. He could end up transforming Twitter for the better, up early returns aren’t too rosy
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Yeah, Mike. That’s exactly what I said. Never.
Forgetful has gone on and on in this thread. The geniuses he hangs with don’t think Musk is all that smart. Hards claims he comes from “enormous wealth” and belittles his accomplishments. Lots of others here echo the “He’s stupid” line.
He’s certainly not beyond criticism. And I never ceded him any moral high ground because of his success. But the envy here is palpable and it’s not a particularly good look. Sorry for the interruption - get back to the circle jerk with all the geniuses here who know what a dumb sh!t Elon Musk is. Funny stuff.
I can't speak for others, but for the record I never said or even implied that Musk was stupid or that he hasn't accomplished amazing things. I own TSLA shares in great part because I believe he's gifted.
But even incredibly smart people sometimes do and/or say incredibly stupid things. He just badly overpaid for a deeply troubled company -- one he didn't even want -- and he did so out of spite and hubris. He let his politics and his ego blind his decision-making ability. And in the process he has made numerous errors, many of which he had to backtrack on, and some of those errors were out of cruelty and hypocrisy.
He also has admitted that this whole Twitter affair has distracted him from leading TSLA ... and as a TSLA shareholder I don't like that at all. I wouldn't like it if he were a Democrat, an Independent or a Republican.
He's a smart man, perhaps even a genius, but that's really stupid business.
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Meanwhile ...
From the NYT DealBook:
No, Twitter is not dead this morning, despite #RIPTwitter trending on the social network last night. But its future looks more turbulent than at any point since Elon Musk took over three weeks ago, as a huge number of workers decided to quit rather than agree to the billionaire’s loyalty pledge, which involved committing to a “hard core” work routine to grow the platform.
The newly shrunken Twitter now faces numerous questions, including about its ability to maintain mission-critical systems, police content on its platform, remain in compliance with regulatory agreements and, frankly, stay afloat while laboring under a huge amount of debt.
Hundreds of employees have resigned, some even before Musk’s 5 p.m. Eastern pledge deadline took effect. The apparent feeling: better to take three months’ severance pay than to work under a leader who has demanded long hours and fired dozens of employees who had criticized him, some publicly. A poll of nearly 250 employees conducted on Blind, an anonymized social network for tech workers, suggested that nearly three-quarters favored leaving Twitter.
As the company did when it laid off half its work force, Twitter locked its offices and disabled employee badge access until Monday.
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Musk appears to have underestimated how many people would leave. Though he may have viewed his ultimatum as a way to weed out disaffected workers and cut costs, Twitter’s leadership instead spent time yesterday trying to convince “critical” employees that they should stay.
Musk also backtracked on a ban on remote work, at least somewhat. He told employees yesterday that they could work remotely, so long as their managers certified they were making “an excellent contribution.” But he also warned said managers not to lie about that, or risk being “exited from the company.” (The edict came after a former employee sued the company over Musk’s remote-working ban, arguing it was discriminatory against those with disabilities.)
The resignations haven’t dimmed Musk’s joking on Twitter. He tweeted, “We just hit another all-time high in Twitter usage lol” and posted several memes about the chaos.
But many of Twitter’s problems aren’t laughing matters. Among those who have left were members of the trust and public safety teams and critical engineering teams. “Every mistake in code and operations is now deadly,” a former engineer told The Washington Post. Meanwhile, seven Democratic senators yesterday urged the F.T.C. to investigate whether Twitter had remained in compliance with a 2011 consumer privacy settlement.
None of this chaos is likely to reassure either the scores of advertisers who have paused campaigns on the platform since Musk took over, or the banks who extended $13 billion in loans to help finance his takeover and are counting on him to pay $1 billion in interest each year.
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There is really no tangible evidence to support the whole “vast wealth from emerald mines” theory. The only tangible evidence for Musk’s inherited wealth is his dad’s $25K investment in Zip2. And if that’s the barometer, I should tell a bunch of middle/upper middle class kids I know, whose parents paid $25-$50k for their college in the late 90s/early 2000s, that they come from great wealth.
Musk wasn’t destitute but he wasn’t some silver spoon trust funder who just moved around his family’s millions. Just like he’s not some unimpeachable business god who never missteps. He could end up transforming Twitter for the better, up early returns aren’t too rosy
Investment and opportunity being born into that wealth creates are two different things. I'd also argue that a casual 25k business investment is very different than parents paying for college. College you're paying for general security and assurance that your kids will be marginally successful. Business investments you are not. Last I read his family cut them off when he was 16, that still leaves him growing up with the best schools, tutors, networks, etc and wanting for not it's essentially a parent who has that money to say gamble with. My understanding is Greg Kouri was a network connection he had made from his name (father) as well. And a rather important one for the future. If I used my parents best connections the best I'd know is a ceo of a niche chemical transportation company or Larry Bell and I'm sure the vast majority of people in middle/upper middle class homes feel similarly. Very different situations.
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Investment and opportunity being born into that wealth creates are two different things. I'd also argue that a casual 25k business investment is very different than parents paying for college. College you're paying for general security and assurance that your kids will be marginally successful. Business investments you are not. Last I read his family cut them off when he was 16, that still leaves him growing up with the best schools, tutors, networks, etc and wanting for not it's essentially a parent who has that money to say gamble with. My understanding is Greg Kouri was a network connection he had made from his name (father) as well. And a rather important one for the future. If I used my parents best connections the best I'd know is a ceo of a niche chemical transportation company and I'm sure the vast majority of people in middle/upper middle class homes feel similarly. Very different situations.
There's probably a reason knowing someone's birth zip code can reliably identify where they end up in life.
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He did have to deal with his dad impregnating his stepsister so it's not like he had everything going for him
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Investment and opportunity being born into that wealth creates are two different things. I'd also argue that a casual 25k business investment is very different than parents paying for college. College you're paying for general security and assurance that your kids will be marginally successful. Business investments you are not. Last I read his family cut them off when he was 16, that still leaves him growing up with the best schools, tutors, networks, etc and wanting for not it's essentially a parent who has that money to say gamble with. My understanding is Greg Kouri was a network connection he had made from his name (father) as well. And a rather important one for the future. If I used my parents best connections the best I'd know is a ceo of a niche chemical transportation company or Larry Bell and I'm sure the vast majority of people in middle/upper middle class homes feel similarly. Very different situations.
Yes, obviously being born into wealth and having his father invest $25,000 into his initial business were distinct advantages that Musk had. However, you don't turn $25,000 into a $300 million company unless you are really good at what you do. My guess is that someone like Musk would have found a way without that initial investment from his father.
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I think Musk's problems are two fold. His insatiable ego, and his lack of awareness and understanding of how different fields work. By many accounts he was forced out shortly after PayPal merged with his business because they didn't trust him to fix technology issues and a poor business model, and they only originally merged with Musk's X.com because of his money.
He then moved on to SpaceX and Tesla, where he had tremendous success, and built amazing innovative companies.
He is trying to emulate that culture at Twitter, but he doesn't understand the differences between the two types of tech companies.
SpaceX and Tesla were successful because he was able to bring in some of the brightest minds in science and engineering, and get these people to work insanely hard. It was successful, because of the culture/mindset of those scientists/engineers. Most went into their fields hoping to get to change/influence the world through the exact vision that SpaceX and Tesla were selling. They were motivated to work nonstop before coming, and were looking for a company like SpaceX (explore space) and Tesla (save the world). The project was the incentive.
That is not the culture of social media tech, especially companies like Twitter/META. Those employees are motivated by the high pay, and comparatively lax work environment. They are not "changing the world" at those companies and have little loyalty to the goal/institution. That is why I was critical about his ultimatum. It was moronic and demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the fields and what/why things worked at SpaceX/Tesla.
Now there is a chance this all still works in his favor. Twitter is a dying business model, and when it was a publicly traded company, they couldn't do much to save it. As a private company, Musk can burn it to the ground and build a better model. It is risky, and could be a $44B learning opportunity, but maybe that is his plan...burn it to the ground to build a new company on a more viable business model. I don't think that is his plan, but may become it based on his erroneous decisions.
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Yes, obviously being born into wealth and having his father invest $25,000 into his initial business were distinct advantages that Musk had. However, you don't turn $25,000 into a $300 million company unless you are really good at what you do. My guess is that someone like Musk would have found a way without that initial investment from his father.
Obviously, I wasn't trying to say he wasn't talented, especially before he became the type for person who definitely thinks people are lucky to smell his farts. But it's very fair to acknowledge his wealth and connections while also saying he busted his ass to get there.
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I guess hardcore means going without pay.
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People are genuinely unsure how this company functions come next week. As is, some emergency contractors are going to have to come in asap just to cut checks.
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In addition to the payroll team being gone, Twitter's entire US tax team is gone, I'm told, along with its financial reporting team. Not great.
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I guess hardcore means going without pay.
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People are genuinely unsure how this company functions come next week. As is, some emergency contractors are going to have to come in asap just to cut checks.
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In addition to the payroll team being gone, Twitter's entire US tax team is gone, I'm told, along with its financial reporting team. Not great.
Shocking. Who could have possibly seen this coming?
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If Twitter does come to an end, is there any place you guys would like to see www.twitter.com/MUOverload (http://www.twitter.com/MUOverload) move to?
Instagram? Facebook? Mastodon?
I could also just post stuff at www.muoverload.com (http://www.muoverload.com).
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If Twitter does come to an end, is there any place you guys would like to see www.twitter.com/MUOverload (http://www.twitter.com/MUOverload) move to?
Instagram? Facebook? Mastodon?
I could also just post stuff at www.muoverload.com (http://www.muoverload.com).
Pornhub?
I kid FB would be nice, but probably won't reach the modern yutes very well
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I guess hardcore means going without pay.
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People are genuinely unsure how this company functions come next week. As is, some emergency contractors are going to have to come in asap just to cut checks.
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In addition to the payroll team being gone, Twitter's entire US tax team is gone, I'm told, along with its financial reporting team. Not great.
You guys don’t can’t comprehend his brilliance. The workers at Twitter need to learn a lesson in blind obedience to rich people
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You guys don’t can’t comprehend his brilliance. The workers at Twitter need to learn a lesson in blind obedience to rich people
They just aren't up for the challenge.
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If Twitter does come to an end, is there any place you guys would like to see www.twitter.com/MUOverload (http://www.twitter.com/MUOverload) move to?
Instagram? Facebook? Mastodon?
I could also just post stuff at www.muoverload.com (http://www.muoverload.com).
When Digg fell there was an obvious exodus to Reddit. When/if Twitter falls, users will all flock to a single platform. Choose that platform.
I eagerly await your TikTok videos.
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If Twitter does come to an end, is there any place you guys would like to see www.twitter.com/MUOverload (http://www.twitter.com/MUOverload) move to?
Instagram? Facebook? Mastodon?
I could also just post stuff at www.muoverload.com (http://www.muoverload.com).
I vote Reddit. Maybe insta, but I'd have to start an account
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You guys don’t can’t comprehend his brilliance. The workers at Twitter need to learn a lesson in blind obedience to rich people
Young people are all just lookin' for a handout. They have no work ethic.
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Young people are all just lookin' for a handout. They have no work ethic.
Spitting facts. Back in ‘69, I worked 20 hours a day in the coal mine and still drank a dozen boilermakers a night while running a plow truck.
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Spitting facts. Back in ‘69, I worked 20 hours a day in the coal mine and still drank a dozen boilermakers a night while running a plow truck.
Kids these days complain about working a 40-hour work week. In my day, we were grateful that we got to work 40-hour work days.
They have no understanding of real work.
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Kids these days complain about working a 40-hour work week. In my day, we were grateful that we got to work 40-hour work days.
They have no understanding of real work.
Once we gave them 8-hour work days and weekends off, it was all over for guys like Elon
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Once we gave them 8-hour work days and weekends off, it was all over for guys like Elon
I just don’t understand why we can’t just give people money and then control their livelihoods.
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Musk probably got his data here:
The Average Office Worker Is Productive for Less Than 3 Hours a Day
In all career fields, the average worker is productive for 60% or less each day. For office workers, however, that percentage drops drastically. Research conducted by Voucher Cloud determined that the average office worker is only productive for two hours and 23 minutes each day.
Assuming an eight-hour workday, office workers are generally unproductive for five hours and 37 minutes each day. That’s a massive chunk of time and employer’s money wasted every day.
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Sounds like Peter from Office Space.
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Babylon Bee is back.
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Babylon Bee is back.
Hooray, lazy discount bigot the onion gets to tweet again and it only cost $44B
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Babylon Bee is back.
Musk said Twitter would be safe for comedy.
Another broken promise.
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Musk said Twitter would be safe for comedy.
Another broken promise.
I don’t mind the Babylon Bee.
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A frequent retweet of chicos
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A frequent retweet of chicos
Like I said, a favorite of mine because it makes me chuckle at Chicos
Hadn’t looked at his account lately. Wow. His kids need to intervene
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I don’t mind the Babylon Bee.
It's just like The Onion, minus the humoir.
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Hooray, lazy discount bigot the onion gets to tweet again and it only cost $44B
Evangelical Onion, athank you very much
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It's just like The Onion, minus the humoir.
The Onion has humor? What is this, 2007?
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Like I said, a favorite of mine because it makes me chuckle at Chicos
Hadn’t looked at his account lately. Wow. His kids need to intervene
What’s his account?
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What’s his account?
Sent to your inbox
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https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-payroll-finance-department-resigns-en-masse-under-elon-musk-2022-11
After reading this .. I can't see how Twitter can survive much longer.
Eventually the guy who pushes the thing that makes sure the database doesn't corrupt isn't there because he's either fired or just doesn't get his paycheck so stops coming to work.
No accounting, no payroll, sales people not getting paid, no revenue, skeleton IT crew.
Seems irreparably broken at this point.
Over/under on it being turned off? I'm thinking Tuesday.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-payroll-finance-department-resigns-en-masse-under-elon-musk-2022-11
After reading this .. I can't see how Twitter can survive much longer.
Eventually the guy who pushes the thing that makes sure the database doesn't corrupt isn't there because he's either fired or just doesn't get his paycheck so stops coming to work.
No accounting, no payroll, sales people not getting paid, no revenue, skeleton IT crew.
Seems irreparably broken at this point.
Over/under on it being turned off? I'm thinking Tuesday.
I saw a guy who more or less ran through what the systems engineering team needed to do to maintain the service 24-7 to react to problems. It ran the gamut from "a hard drive filled up somewhere" to "a foreign government is demanding DM info of a U.S. Citizen traveling in their country" to "this series of cascading code problems have struck all at once does the on call engineer know who to wake up to fix the problems," to more.
In effect he was saying that Twitter is going to face tech problems much how Ernest Hemingway described bankruptcy in The Sun Also Rises:
“How did you go bankrupt?” Bill asked.
“Two ways,” Mike said. “Gradually and then suddenly.”
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https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-payroll-finance-department-resigns-en-masse-under-elon-musk-2022-11
After reading this .. I can't see how Twitter can survive much longer.
Eventually the guy who pushes the thing that makes sure the database doesn't corrupt isn't there because he's either fired or just doesn't get his paycheck so stops coming to work.
No accounting, no payroll, sales people not getting paid, no revenue, skeleton IT crew.
Seems irreparably broken at this point.
Over/under on it being turned off? I'm thinking Tuesday.
Maybe that is the whole point. Maybe it is a deliberate attempt to destroy Twitter.
Musk is an authoritarian. Who hates Twitter the most? Authoritarian governments.
Saudi Arabia is the largest investor in Twitter other than Musk himself.
Tesla has factories in China and China has numerous factories producing parts. Regulators are already worried that China has undue influence over Musk.
Musk is doing Putin’s bidding on the Ukraine war saying that Ukraine should cede part of its territory to Russia and accept peace.
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Maybe that is the whole point. Maybe it is a deliberate attempt to destroy Twitter.
Musk is an authoritarian. Who hates Twitter the most? Authoritarian governments.
Saudi Arabia is the largest investor in Twitter other than Musk himself.
Tesla has factories in China and China has numerous factories producing parts. Regulators are already worried that China has undue influence over Musk.
Musk is doing Putin’s bidding on the Ukraine war saying that Ukraine should cede part of its territory to Russia and accept peace.
Did you run out of tinfoil when writing this?
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Musk is an authoritarian. Who hates Twitter the most? Authoritarian governments.
Yeah, no. This doesn't make any sense to me. Authoritarian tendencies aren't just some political monolith like this. Even taking the comparison for granted, a guy like Mussolini would have killed it on twitter.
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Did you run out of tinfoil when writing this?
No I still have a good supply. But it doesn't appear that Musk is creating a better mousetrap.
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Yeah, no. This doesn't make any sense to me. Authoritarian tendencies aren't just some political monolith like this. Even taking the comparison for granted, a guy like Mussolini would have killed it on twitter.
I would have to disagree. Social media - including Twitter is what drove the Arab Spring.
“We use Facebook to schedule the protests” an Arab Spring activist from Egypt announced “and [we use] Twitter to coordinate, and YouTube to tell the world.” The role that technology has taken in allowing the distribution of public information was essential in establishing the democratic movement that has helped guide abused civilians to overthrow their oppressor.
Social networks "for the first time provided activists with an opportunity to quickly disseminate information while bypassing government restrictions," Hussein Amin, professor of mass communications at the American University in Cairo said.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-payroll-finance-department-resigns-en-masse-under-elon-musk-2022-11
After reading this .. I can't see how Twitter can survive much longer.
Eventually the guy who pushes the thing that makes sure the database doesn't corrupt isn't there because he's either fired or just doesn't get his paycheck so stops coming to work.
No accounting, no payroll, sales people not getting paid, no revenue, skeleton IT crew.
Seems irreparably broken at this point.
Over/under on it being turned off? I'm thinking Tuesday.
I’m predicting that Twitter survives and that end users notice zero difference while using the service.
If anything, I think what he’s doing may get other organizations to start looking around and seeing how much extra bloat they have. “Does the new grad engineer making $200k really do anything?”
With that said though, Musk seems like a terrible person to work for in general. I think he gets away with it for SpaceX and Tesla because those employees have a higher sense of “mission” and “purpose” with regards to their work. That isn’t the case with Twitter.
Though, I think he’ll attract some very high level technical people and that may be enough to move the company forward. As far as filling out the rest of the staff, he’ll have to compete with other tech companies and provide similar benefits. There’s a certain breed of people who are talented and will work for high pay and high stress. It’s honestly kind of like a when a coach changes jobs. The new coach gets their own people in there. That’s what we’re seeing now.
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No I still have a good supply. But it doesn't appear that Musk is creating a better mousetrap.
But intentionally flushing billions away, while also putting Tesla at risk, just to sink Twitter is completely illogical.
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Maybe that is the whole point. Maybe it is a deliberate attempt to destroy Twitter.
Musk is an authoritarian. Who hates Twitter the most? Authoritarian governments.
Saudi Arabia is the largest investor in Twitter other than Musk himself.
Tesla has factories in China and China has numerous factories producing parts. Regulators are already worried that China has undue influence over Musk.
Musk is doing Putin’s bidding on the Ukraine war saying that Ukraine should cede part of its territory to Russia and accept peace.
Alex Jones would be proud.
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CountryRoads
I agree with you 100%. These large tech companies have had extra bloat and we are seeing more and more companies scaling back. I saw an article this week about the mental health issues in Silicon Valley with the number of layoffs that has happened over the past month or so. One therapist said their group was working crazy hours to keep up with the work. A lot of people had very good runs and it might be tough sledding moving ahead.
I definitely think Musk will attract high level talent and will succeed. The guy is must watch TV for me and I will be following Twitter closely. Hopefully he can get things straightened out and get back to Space X. IMO, Space X is going to be his greatest accomplishment.
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Alex Jones would be proud.
Thank you.
So if Twitter dies soon, as many have predicted (I have not done so), what will be the cause?
Stupidity or incompetence, as many here on Scoop have suggested (because the world's richest man is obviously both of those ::) ). Or intent.
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I would have to disagree. Social media - including Twitter is what drove the Arab Spring.
“We use Facebook to schedule the protests” an Arab Spring activist from Egypt announced “and [we use] Twitter to coordinate, and YouTube to tell the world.” The role that technology has taken in allowing the distribution of public information was essential in establishing the democratic movement that has helped guide abused civilians to overthrow their oppressor.
Social networks "for the first time provided activists with an opportunity to quickly disseminate information while bypassing government restrictions," Hussein Amin, professor of mass communications at the American University in Cairo said.
Sure, they can be used for that. Social media is a value-neutral platform that has the ability to disseminate information to a large number of people quickly. But I don't think it has an arc that bends toward justice or anything like that. I suppose that its a thorn in the side of any entity that wants to suppress the transmittal of information - e.g. an authoritative regime already esconced in power. But IMO its just as likely to lead to the popularity and success of those authoritative regimes in their infancy as not.
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I would have to disagree. Social media - including Twitter is what drove the Arab Spring.
“We use Facebook to schedule the protests” an Arab Spring activist from Egypt announced “and [we use] Twitter to coordinate, and YouTube to tell the world.” The role that technology has taken in allowing the distribution of public information was essential in establishing the democratic movement that has helped guide abused civilians to overthrow their oppressor.
Social networks "for the first time provided activists with an opportunity to quickly disseminate information while bypassing government restrictions," Hussein Amin, professor of mass communications at the American University in Cairo said.
The Arab spring was a decade ago. I think since then authoritarians have figured out how to weaponize social media.
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Thank you.
So if Twitter dies soon, as many have predicted (I have not done so), what will be the cause?
Stupidity or incompetence, as many here on Scoop have suggested (because the world's richest man is obviously both of those ::) ). Or intent.
Twitter might go down but won’t be dead for good. But explain to me Musk’s motivations for blowing billions simply to shut Twitter down?
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Along with massive staffing catastrophes, payroll not getting out, payables not getting paid .. maybe the servers keep running.
But .. revenue? I can't imagine a single new piece of business has been booked in the past week+. And .. invoices aren't going out, any revenue coming in isn't getting received. It's hard to imagine anything less than pandemonium when your accounting department is gone.
And the big clients? Are they going to advertise on a site that has almost zero content rules?
It's going to get far worse than this report:
https://botsentinel.com/reports/documents/kamala-harris/report-05-26-2022.pdf
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Twitter might go down but won’t be dead for good. But explain to me Musk’s motivations for blowing billions simply to shut Twitter down?
First of all, I agree with your first sentence totally.
Second, IF Musk wants to shut Twitter down ( which is why I used the word ‘maybe’ twice in my original post), there could be several reasons. One is influence he would gain in many authoritarian countries around the world, including huge financial gains. Another reason is found in the belief of people around him like Thiel and others that Technocrats - not democratic governments- are the future saviors.
Finally, I did not say these things were happening. I said there was a possibility that they were driving his thinking if, as it appears, he is actually taking steps to subvert Twitter.
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Along with massive staffing catastrophes, payroll not getting out, payables not getting paid .. maybe the servers keep running.
But .. revenue? I can't imagine a single new piece of business has been booked in the past week+. And .. invoices aren't going out, any revenue coming in isn't getting received. It's hard to imagine anything less than pandemonium when your accounting department is gone.
And the big clients? Are they going to advertise on a site that has almost zero content rules?
It's going to get far worse than this report:
https://botsentinel.com/reports/documents/kamala-harris/report-05-26-2022.pdf
Almost sounds intentional. 8-)
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Along with massive staffing catastrophes, payroll not getting out, payables not getting paid .. maybe the servers keep running.
But .. revenue? I can't imagine a single new piece of business has been booked in the past week+. And .. invoices aren't going out, any revenue coming in isn't getting received. It's hard to imagine anything less than pandemonium when your accounting department is gone.
And the big clients? Are they going to advertise on a site that has almost zero content rules?
It's going to get far worse than this report:
https://botsentinel.com/reports/documents/kamala-harris/report-05-26-2022.pdf
He’s fixing Silicon Valley. Game over lazy people
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He’s fixing Silicon Valley. Game over lazy people
Twitter employees about to learn how the rest of us work: https://babylonbee.com/video/fired-twitter-employee-applies-for-first-real-job
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Twitter employees about to learn how the rest of us work: https://babylonbee.com/video/fired-twitter-employee-applies-for-first-real-job
Nah, they’ll find jobs faster than most people.
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Along with massive staffing catastrophes, payroll not getting out, payables not getting paid .. maybe the servers keep running.
But .. revenue? I can't imagine a single new piece of business has been booked in the past week+. And .. invoices aren't going out, any revenue coming in isn't getting received. It's hard to imagine anything less than pandemonium when your accounting department is gone.
And the big clients? Are they going to advertise on a site that has almost zero content rules?
It's going to get far worse than this report:
https://botsentinel.com/reports/documents/kamala-harris/report-05-26-2022.pdf
Hope you like MyPillow and Black Rifle Coffee ads in your twitter feed
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Hope you like MyPillow and Black Rifle Coffee ads in your twitter feed
Don’t the companies that pull off Twitter that if you go woke you go broke?
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Hope you like MyPillow and Black Rifle Coffee ads in your twitter feed
Very easy to mute those companies’ ads.
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Very easy to mute those companies’ ads.
Me thinks unmutable (that cost advertisers more) are not that far off
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Me thinks unmutable (that cost advertisers more) are not that far off
Wouldn't be surprised to see a third party script available to accomplish muting/blocking if they suspend that functionality on the first party platform.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-payroll-finance-department-resigns-en-masse-under-elon-musk-2022-11
After reading this .. I can't see how Twitter can survive much longer.
Eventually the guy who pushes the thing that makes sure the database doesn't corrupt isn't there because he's either fired or just doesn't get his paycheck so stops coming to work.
No accounting, no payroll, sales people not getting paid, no revenue, skeleton IT crew.
Seems irreparably broken at this point.
Over/under on it being turned off? I'm thinking Tuesday.
So, it’s become FTX?
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More like Truth Social.
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https://www.reuters.com/technology/musks-twitter-poll-showing-narrow-majority-want-trump-reinstated-2022-11-20/
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https://www.reuters.com/technology/musks-twitter-poll-showing-narrow-majority-want-trump-reinstated-2022-11-20/
Majority of bots I think they meant.
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It’s fine. It’s been over a year.
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Twitter employees about to learn how the rest of us work: https://babylonbee.com/video/fired-twitter-employee-applies-for-first-real-job
Thanks for the link Junior.
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Thanks for the link Junior.
🐷🐷
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It’s fine. It’s been over a year.
Plus, he’s on Truth Social, the company he owns. He doesn’t let any of his businesses fail
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Why do you do this? People are having an on topic conversation and you yet again feel the need to inject your politics. Stop being selfish.
Mike has certainly stepped outside politics line before, but spot the lie in his statement.
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Mike has certainly stepped outside politics line before, but spot the lie in his statement.
That’s fine, but there’s r/politics for that type of discussion if he wants it.
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Kanye's account also has been restored. And that's good, too.
Ye's first post was simply: "Shalom." Well now, there's proof that he doesn't hate Jews!
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Musk desperately wants the traffic, but I guess he doesn't understand that advertisers aren't coming back based on him reinstating the guy whose account was responsible for driving 70% of the misinformation on Twitter.
Or, judging by his own posts, perhaps he just doesn't care. Musk seems to think he can sh!tpost his way to success.
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Since I didn't get to it yesterday, I've just mopped up the thread instead of using the hammer. MU82, Zig - you both get a demerit.
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Since I didn't get to it yesterday, I've just mopped up the thread instead of using the hammer. MU82, Zig - you both get a demerit.
Sorry, dad.
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Elon Musk Tweets Defense of Cop Who Killed Unarmed Black Man in Ferguson, Missouri
The billionaire deleted his original tweet early Wednesday but replaced it with a DOJ report.
https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-tweets-cop-killed-unarmed-black-man-ferguson-1849815713
"Elon Musk tweeted a defense of the police officer who shot 18-year-old Michael Brown—an unarmed Black man in Ferguson, Missouri back in 2014—early Wednesday before deleting the incendiary post. Musk said the police officer was “exonerated” and that the narrative around the shooting was a “fiction.”
Gizmodo isn’t going to relitigate what happened in 2014. But we do find it notable that Musk wants to reopen the wounds of that summer, either to stoke more controversy on his social media platform with the hopes that it generates attention for a site that’s hemorrhaging advertisers, or simply because Musk wants to signal to his right-wing fans that he’s well and truly one of them. Whatever his goal, Musk succeeded at proving he desperately wants approval from the absolute worst people on the planet."
Again, either Musk thinks he can fix Twitter's business model by driving up volume, the very sort of volume that drives away the advertisers that account for 85% of Twitter's revenue, or he just doesn't care. I'm leaning towards the latter more and more.
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Elon Musk Tweets Defense of Cop Who Killed Unarmed Black Man in Ferguson, Missouri
The billionaire deleted his original tweet early Wednesday but replaced it with a DOJ report.
https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-tweets-cop-killed-unarmed-black-man-ferguson-1849815713
"Elon Musk tweeted a defense of the police officer who shot 18-year-old Michael Brown—an unarmed Black man in Ferguson, Missouri back in 2014—early Wednesday before deleting the incendiary post. Musk said the police officer was “exonerated” and that the narrative around the shooting was a “fiction.”
Gizmodo isn’t going to relitigate what happened in 2014. But we do find it notable that Musk wants to reopen the wounds of that summer, either to stoke more controversy on his social media platform with the hopes that it generates attention for a site that’s hemorrhaging advertisers, or simply because Musk wants to signal to his right-wing fans that he’s well and truly one of them. Whatever his goal, Musk succeeded at proving he desperately wants approval from the absolute worst people on the planet."
Again, either Musk thinks he can fix Twitter's business model by driving up volume, the very sort of volume that drives away the advertisers that account for 85% of Twitter's revenue, or he just doesn't care. I'm leaning towards the latter more and more.
The best way to understand Elon Musk is to understand he’s not a good person. He may be rich, he may be smart. None of those make you a good person
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Pulled from here (https://www.tumblr.com/numberonecatwinner/701567544684855296/elon-wyd) and offered with the grain of salt that accompanies posts on the internet, (but fwiw, it's plausibly believable):
"I was an intern at SpaceX years ago, back it when it was a much smaller company — after Elon got hair plugs, but before his cult of personality was in full swing. I have some insight to offer here.
Back when I was at SpaceX, Elon was basically a child king. He was an important figurehead who provided the company with the money, power, and PR, but he didn’t have the knowledge or (frankly) maturity to handle day-to-day decision making and everyone knew that. He was surrounded by people whose job was, essentially, to manipulate him into making good decisions.
Managing Elon was a huge part of the company culture. Even I, as a lowly intern, would hear people talking about it openly in meetings. People knew how to present ideas in a way that would resonate with him, they knew how to creatively reinterpret (or ignore) his many insane demands, and they even knew how to “stage manage” parts of the physical office space so that it would appeal to Elon.
The funniest example of “stage management” I can remember is this dude on the IT security team. He had a script running in a terminal on one of his monitors that would output random garbage, Matrix-style, so that it always looked like he was doing Important Computer Things to anyone who walked by his desk. Second funniest was all the people I saw playing WoW at their desks after ~5pm, who did it in the office just to give the appearance that they were working late.
People were willing to do that at SpaceX because Elon was giving them the money (and hype) to get into outer space, a mission people cared deeply about. The company also grew with and around Elon. There were layers of management between individual employees and Elon, and those managers were experienced managers of Elon. Again, I cannot stress enough how much of the company culture was oriented around managing this one guy.
Twitter has neither of those things going for it. There is no company culture or internal structure around the problem of managing Elon Musk, and I think for the first time we’re seeing what happens when people actually take that man seriously and at face value. Worse, they’re doing this little experiment after this man has had decades of success at companies that dedicate significant resources to protecting themselves from him, and he’s too narcissistic to realize it.
This post is long so I’ll leave you with my favorite Elon story. One day at work, I got an all hands email telling me that it was Elon’s birthday and there was going to be a mandatory surprise party for him in the cafeteria. Presumably Elon also got this email, but whatever. We all marched down into the cafeteria, dimmed the lights, and waited. Elon was led out by his secretary (who he hadn’t fired yet) and made a big show of being fake surprised and touched that we were there. Then they wheeled out the cake.
OK, so, I want you to imagine the biggest penis cake you’ve ever seen. Like the king of novelty sex cakes. Only it’s frosted white, and the balls have been frosted to look like fire and smoke. This was Elon’s birthday “rocket” cake.
For as long as I live, I will never forget the look on everyone’s face — in that dark room of mostly-male engineers — when he made a wish and cut into the tip."
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The best way to understand Elon Musk is to understand he’s not a good person. He may be rich, he may be smart. None of those make you a good person
D-bag, for sure.
Not to mention another guy afflicted with narcissistic personality disorder.
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The best way to understand Elon Musk is to understand he’s not a good person. He may be rich, he may be smart. None of those make you a good person
Well, yes, he has relentlessly proven he is an awful asswipe, one that has removed anyone that dares disagree with and has dismantled all governance structure around himself so that he can indulge his 12-year-old boy self unfettered by any rules.
But what I am wondering about is WTF he is doing from a business decision-making standpoint.
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Well, yes, he has relentlessly proven he is an awful asswipe, one that has removed anyone that dares disagree with and has dismantled all governance structure around himself so that he can indulge his 12-year-old boy self unfettered by any rules.
But what I am wondering about is WTF he is doing from a business decision-making standpoint.
I think whats worth remembering about Musk for me, in this scenario, is that he's driven by money in a "money equals power/clout/etc.." but not in pure utility sense, like some billionaires who want the vast estates and yachts and islands. So I think the hits to his pocketbook in the near term, if he thinks he has some grand long term plan, arent as meaningful or profound as some who are looking for ROI right away.
Its not some pie eyed "wow Musk is so next level" admiration for it, but just the read Ive always got on him from a consumption aspect.
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D-bag, for sure.
Not to mention another guy afflicted with narcissistic personality disorder.
TDS. Call your doctor.
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yeah, i really miss jack dorsey, the epitome of reason and fairness. i miss those days when they could just zap opinions and people they didn't like with flip of a switch. that was cool!
interesting hoe elon is drawing so much angst. musta been something he said? what's everyone afraid of? now if they could just silence fox news like pierre does with press, everything would be great
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yeah, i really miss jack dorsey, the epitome of reason and fairness. i miss those days when they could just zap opinions and people they didn't like with flip of a switch. that was cool!
interesting hoe elon is drawing so much angst. musta been something he said? what's everyone afraid of? now if they could just silence fox news like pierre does with press, everything would be great
Who's afraid? No one is suggesting that he can't run Twitter how he wants. Just like prior to his ownership, the people running the company could run it the way they want...at the shareholder's blessing of course.
Is he somehow exempt from criticism?
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yeah, i really miss jack dorsey, the epitome of reason and fairness. i miss those days when they could just zap opinions and people they didn't like with flip of a switch. that was cool!
interesting hoe elon is drawing so much angst. musta been something he said? what's everyone afraid of? now if they could just silence fox news like pierre does with press, everything would be great
I’ll go ahead and give this a 7 out of 10. Pretty generic work but hit some of the classics.
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yeah, i really miss jack dorsey, the epitome of reason and fairness. i miss those days when they could just zap opinions and people they didn't like with flip of a switch. that was cool!
interesting hoe elon is drawing so much angst. musta been something he said? what's everyone afraid of? now if they could just silence fox news like pierre does with press, everything would be great
What if, stay with me here, both weren't doing a good job? You can say Musk is handling this poorly, while also saying old Twitter, even "woke" Dorsey Twitter, also stunk at many things.
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What if, stay with me here, both weren't doing a good job? You can say Musk is handling this poorly, while also saying old Twitter, even "woke" Dorsey Twitter, also stunk at many things.
Wait a minute, are you saying more than one thing can be true at the same time?
Unfathomable.
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Well, yes, he has relentlessly proven he is an awful asswipe, one that has removed anyone that dares disagree with and has dismantled all governance structure around himself so that he can indulge his 12-year-old boy self unfettered by any rules.
But what I am wondering about is WTF he is doing from a business decision-making standpoint.
We still don't know how much Musk put up and how much other invested added to the pot - although the vast majority was certainly Musk money.
As far as decision making, my guess is that he is playing a long game. Twitter gives him sway and I think over the next couple of years there will be lots of foreign investment - whether directly in Twitter or involving Tesla and Space X.
Plus, as you said, Power Matters. Even more than money when you get to where Musk is at.
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Who's afraid? No one is suggesting that he can't run Twitter how he wants. Just like prior to his ownership, the people running the company could run it the way they want...at the shareholder's blessing of course.
Is he somehow exempt from criticism?
just sayin...did we have a twitter thread back when jack was at the helm? of course he had a better hold on the disinformation going on and would have none of that damn it.. now, katy bar the door, eyn'a? you won't know what to believe anymore...sigh. guess i'll have to renew my subscription to nyt and spend a little more time with main stream again
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just sayin...did we have a twitter thread back when jack was at the helm? of course he had a better hold on the disinformation going on and would have none of that damn it.. now, katy bar the door, eyn'a? you won't know what to believe anymore...sigh. guess i'll have to renew my subscription to nyt and spend a little more time with main stream again
Ok I have no clue what you are even trying to say here. But we have a Twitter thread here because Twitter is in the news. Not really that hard to figure out.
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How often do any of us really know what Rocket is trying to say?
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just sayin...did we have a twitter thread back when jack was at the helm? of course he had a better hold on the disinformation going on and would have none of that damn it.. now, katy bar the door, eyn'a? you won't know what to believe anymore...sigh. guess i'll have to renew my subscription to nyt and spend a little more time with main stream again
Huh?
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just sayin...did we have a twitter thread back when jack was at the helm? of course he had a better hold on the disinformation going on and would have none of that damn it.. now, katy bar the door, eyn'a? you won't know what to believe anymore...sigh. guess i'll have to renew my subscription to nyt and spend a little more time with main stream again
A 10 out of 10
Bravo! A pre-thanksgiving treat for all! Gobble, gobble!
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How often do any of us really know what Rocket is trying to say?
I'm surprised anyone takes the time to read. Just scroll by for your sanity except Uncle Rico because we need a rating.
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I'm surprised anyone takes the time to read. Just scroll by for your sanity except Uncle Rico because we need a rating.
I share his posts with my dentist. She’s graduated from UIC, though
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it's cute how ya'll bond together to console each other trying to understand the words of an enigma beyond your simplistic realms
11 out of 10 eyna reeeko?
btw, if i wrote the book to explain, i'd probably get a little vacation from your buddy and pal so suffice it to say you may have to dig deep-gobble
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Yep, roQQet, if there was one word any of us would use to best describe your Scoop posts, it would be "deep."
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it's cute how ya'll bond together to console each other trying to understand the words of an enigma beyond your simplistic realms
11 out of 10 eyna reeeko?
btw, if i wrote the book to explain, i'd probably get a little vacation from your buddy and pal so suffice it to say you may have to dig deep-gobble
Actually it would be helpful if you simply used the English language.
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just sayin...did we have a twitter thread back when jack was at the helm? of course he had a better hold on the disinformation going on and would have none of that damn it.. now, katy bar the door, eyn'a? you won't know what to believe anymore...sigh. guess i'll have to renew my subscription to nyt and spend a little more time with main stream again
This guy’s in charge? There is a tiny possibility there is more to the story than meets the eye. Or so he says.
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Anyone else concerned that Musk is using simple twitter polls to determine if someone should be banned from the platform? I feel like this is a huge threat to democracy.
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Anyone else concerned that Musk is using simple twitter polls to determine if someone should be banned from the platform? I feel like this is a huge threat to democracy.
We don't care if he bans people ... as long as he only bans those we disagree with.
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Anyone else concerned that Musk is using simple twitter polls to determine if someone should be banned from the platform? I feel like this is a huge threat to democracy.
Simple Twitter polls are the absolute best way to determine corporate policy.
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Anyone else concerned that Musk is using simple twitter polls to determine if someone should be banned from the platform? I feel like this is a huge threat to democracy.
🤣🤣🤣
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Apparently, receiving personal phone calls from Musk begging them to return was not enough to change the minds of the executives at former advertisers.
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Apparently, receiving personal phone calls from Musk begging them to return was not enough to change the minds of the executives at former advertisers.
Strange corporate America is a little concerned by this guy:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FipV3v9UoAEaIfq?format=jpg&name=small)
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Apparently, receiving personal phone calls from Musk begging them to return was not enough to change the minds of the executives at former advertisers.
The FT was reporting he was berating them, which is really savvy.
Hmmm, letting racists, seditionists, etc. spread hate and harass people doesn't appear, at first glance, to be a winning business model. Plus, Parlor, Gab, et al have first mover advantage there.
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And he is attacking Apple. I lose track. Does this mean it is time to sell Apple?
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People thing musk is dumb.
I don't think that's the case. I think he knows exactly what he's doing
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And he is attacking Apple. I lose track. Does this mean it is time to sell Apple?
Depends on who you ask. Some say Apple threatened to stop having twitter in the app store first.
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People thing musk is dumb.
I don't think that's the case. I think he knows exactly what he's doing
Speaking only for myself, I don't think he is dumb.
I also don't think he has any idea of what he is doing.
Musk has rid himself of anyone who would dare criticize him or tell him no. He is a boy King who thinks his own farts are the sweetest of perfumes while being buoyed by a cadre of fanbois who exult in him being an ahole.
Corporate America is not amused at his anti-social antics.
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Depends on who you ask. Some say Apple threatened to stop having twitter in the app store first.
Apple might have an argument that the content now being allowed on Twitter runs contrary to their own corporate policies and practices.
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Depends on who you ask. Some say Apple threatened to stop having twitter in the app store first.
Can't imagine why.
Anyhow, picking a fight with the company that controls 55% of the smartphone market seems like not the best tactic for a social media company.
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Apple might have an argument that the content now being allowed on Twitter runs contrary to their own corporate policies and practices.
That might be true, but if you think that's the reason why Apple is saying that, I have a bridge to sell you. There are much worse apps that are on the app store.
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Can't imagine why.
Anyhow, picking a fight with the company that controls 55% of the smartphone market seems like not the best tactic for a social media company.
This will not end well for either side. Musk has enough resources to have Apple lose quite a bit of market share in both the phone and app space.
Here's an interesting article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/28/musk-apple-app-store-twitter/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/28/musk-apple-app-store-twitter/)
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Apple will be fine. Twitter will be fine. Musk is stirring the pot for attention and it’s working
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This will not end well for either side. Musk has enough resources to have Apple lose quite a bit of market share in both the phone and app space.
Explain further.
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Explain further.
Yeah, I want to know which bridge. And at what price.
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Apple will be fine. Twitter will be fine. Musk is stirring the pot for attention and it’s working
Hah, reading this (and not twitter), I agree. He's going with the "any news is good publicity" stunt and it's working (currently). I know of an orange haired fellow that used this strategy.
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Apple will be fine. Twitter will be fine. Musk is stirring the pot for attention and it’s working
Apple is definitely gonna be fine. Jury's out on Twitter, a poorly run company that went for too much money paid for by a guy who didn't even want it.
And Tim Apple would laugh out loud at any threat from Musk.
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Apple might have an argument that the content now being allowed on Twitter runs contrary to their own corporate policies and practices.
Twitter has had a child pornography problem since its inception.
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Twitter has had a child pornography problem since its inception.
Elon is addressing that:
Elon Musk’s Job Cuts Decimated Twitter Team Tackling Child Sexual Abuse
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-29/musk-s-cuts-decimated-twitter-team-tackling-child-sexual-abuse?srnd=premium
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Elon is addressing that:
Elon Musk’s Job Cuts Decimated Twitter Team Tackling Child Sexual Abuse
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-29/musk-s-cuts-decimated-twitter-team-tackling-child-sexual-abuse?srnd=premium
Free Speech!
Maybe Musk should do a simple Twitter poll to determine what to do.
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Elon is addressing that:
Elon Musk’s Job Cuts Decimated Twitter Team Tackling Child Sexual Abuse
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-29/musk-s-cuts-decimated-twitter-team-tackling-child-sexual-abuse?srnd=premium
Jesus I didn't even see that part of this mess. Less than 10 people to track and combat all of the child exploitation that goes on Twitter? That's an impossible ask
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i'm just glad that "they're" going to keep a close eye on twitter now; be damned if any misinformation gets out or even the denial of accurate information getting in.
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@CNN
Twitter said it will no longer enforce its longstanding Covid misinformation policy, yet another sign of how Elon Musk plans to transform the social media company he bought a month ago
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Jesus I didn't even see that part of this mess. Less than 10 people to track and combat all of the child exploitation that goes on Twitter? That's an impossible ask
Imagine what an awful, soul crushing job that would be.
Had a buddy that worked child sex crimes for the DA's office. The burnout was quick.
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Speaking only for myself, I don't think he is dumb.
I also don't think he has any idea of what he is doing.
Musk has rid himself of anyone who would dare criticize him or tell him no. He is a boy King who thinks his own farts are the sweetest of perfumes while being buoyed by a cadre of fanbois who exult in him being an ahole.
Corporate America is not amused at his anti-social antics.
I should clarify. With regard to running Twitter, he's slowly figuring it out and doing it his way
With regards to his individual tweets/replies, he knows exactly what he's doing
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Elon is addressing that:
Elon Musk’s Job Cuts Decimated Twitter Team Tackling Child Sexual Abuse
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-29/musk-s-cuts-decimated-twitter-team-tackling-child-sexual-abuse?srnd=premium
Let’s not pretend to be surprised by these moves.
There IS a purpose to what he is doing.
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Imagine what an awful, soul crushing job that would be.
Had a buddy that worked child sex crimes for the DA's office. The burnout was quick.
My office occasionally gets cases like this. Fortunately not often given the population we work with. I've made it clear that I can never be assigned to a case like that. I don't know how people do that work but bless them for it.
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Imagine what an awful, soul crushing job that would be.
Had a buddy that worked child sex crimes for the DA's office. The burnout was quick.
Read a tell all article from a person who does that for Facebook and it sounded like possibly the worst experience ever. He talked about the straight up murders, rapes, child porn etc that he constantly has to delete.
On another note in Milwaukee public schools if any kid is caught having sex the principle and head of security need to watch it together, document what happened in detail and then delete the video. Also would be painfully soul crushing and hard to view the teens in the same light after some of that...
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Is it just me, or do Musk's tweets sound more desperate and trump-ish every day?
His tweet "Apple has mostly stopped advertising on twitter. Do they hate free speech in America?" could have been written by the Orange Madman himself.
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Is it just me, or do Musk's tweets sound more desperate and trump-ish every day?
His tweet "Apple has mostly stopped advertising on twitter. Do they hate free speech in America?" could have been written by the Orange Madman himself.
Of course, free speech includes choosing where you advertise.
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Read a tell all article from a person who does that for Facebook and it sounded like possibly the worst experience ever. He talked about the straight up murders, rapes, child porn etc that he constantly has to delete.
Think I read that too. Kind of article that makes you go grab a bottle of $5 vodka and chug it.
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Think I read that too. Kind of article that makes you go grab a bottle of $5 vodka and chug it.
You need an article to make you feel that way? I just call it Monday.
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From the NYT:
“This is a battle for the future of civilization. If free speech is lost even in America, tyranny is all that lies ahead.”
So says Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of Twitter, which remains, for now, the go-to place for political obsessives to argue over polarizing topics like gender therapy, school vouchers and Covid-19 policy. Musk has indicated that he wants to relax the platform’s rules around what people can and cannot say there — but doesn’t want to make it a “free-for-all hellscape.”
Seeking to balance those two impulses, Musk appears to be making it up as he goes along. He has said that Twitter users should be “able to speak freely within the bounds of the law,” but also that Twitter might temporarily suspend someone who tweets “something that is illegal or otherwise just destructive to the world” and either delete the offending tweet or make it “invisible.”
Even to those who closely follow free-speech debates around internet technology, it’s all pretty baffling.
“If anyone can get inside his head, I’d love to hear it,” said Corbin Barthold, an appellate lawyer for Tech Freedom, a nonpartisan think tank. “He seems to shift from free-speech absolutism until he decides he doesn’t like something.”
Trevor Timm, a co-founder and the executive director of Freedom of the Press Foundation, called Musk a “giant hypocrite” who is abusing the term “free speech.”
Timm worries, too, about how Musk will behave when authoritarian countries like China, where Tesla has vast business interests, lean on Twitter to crack down on dissidents or journalists on its platform.
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I should clarify. With regard to running Twitter, he's slowly figuring it out and doing it his way
With regards to his individual tweets/replies, he knows exactly what he's doing
Bump
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597728650019098624?t=fgHLRNmhIT0egv-Zsr7T9A&s=19
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Bump
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597728650019098624?t=fgHLRNmhIT0egv-Zsr7T9A&s=19
Taking a page from the playbook. Hardly surprising.
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Bump
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597728650019098624?t=fgHLRNmhIT0egv-Zsr7T9A&s=19
Paranoid people with power are downright dangerous.
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Paranoid people with power are downright dangerous.
I disagree with a lot of your greater Elon conspiracy theories, but this is spot on. Its been the downfall of many leaders in history.
The irony is people always talk about F*** You money. Elon has the most FU money of anyone yet he's conjuring up bogeyman daily.
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Another guy with every advantage in the world painting himself as a victim.
It's a tough job, but someone's gotta do it.
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I disagree with a lot of your greater Elon conspiracy theories, but this is spot on. Its been the downfall of many leaders in history.
The irony is people always talk about F*** You money. Elon has the most FU money of anyone yet he's conjuring up bogeyman daily.
My only Elon conspiracy is that he will monetize Twitter with the help of authoritarian countries - mainly China and Saudi Arabia/ Mideast countries.
Most of Twitter’s money comes from advertising and not only is he not trying to increase that revenue, but he is actively taking steps to reduce it. So he absolutely needs to find new money. I’ve given my opinion as to where I think it will come from.
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You need an article to make you feel that way? I just call it Monday.
Truly some gallows humor.
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Last night, Musk suspended Kanye's account after Ye twatted an image of a swastika inside the Star of David, saying the post violated Twitter's rule against the incitement of violence.
In related news, Kanye apparently has decided not to buy Twitter's fun-loving cousin, Parler. He didn't want to lose a ton more money after losing numerous endorsements for being a vocal Jew-hater.
It's been quite a week for "Ye." He also had a tasty Nazi-Lovers Dinner with infamous anti-Semite Nick Fuentes and the 45th president. And he repeatedly praised Hitler during an interview with Alex Jones.
When Jones tried to play the voice of reason -- think about that! -- by saying he didn't like Nazis, Ye countered: "I like Nazis. We got to stop dissing the Nazis all the time."
He also said: “Every human being has something of value that they brought to the table, especially Hitler. Also, Hitler was born Christian. I see good things about Hitler also. I love everyone. Jewish people are not going to tell me you can love us, and you can love what we’re doing to you with the contracts, and you can love what we’re pushing with the pornography. But this guy that invented highways, invented the very microphone that I use as a musician, you can’t say out loud that this person ever did anything good, and I’m done with that.”
You can't make this shyte up.
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Last night, Musk suspended Kanye's account after Ye twatted an image of a swastika inside the Star of David, saying the post violated Twitter's rule against the incitement of violence.
In related news, Kanye apparently has decided not to buy Twitter's fun-loving cousin, Parler. He didn't want to lose a ton more money after losing numerous endorsements for being a vocal Jew-hater.
It's been quite a week for "Ye." He also had a tasty Nazi-Lovers Dinner with infamous anti-Semite Nick Fuentes and the 45th president. And he repeatedly praised Hitler during an interview with Alex Jones.
When Jones tried to play the voice of reason -- think about that! -- by saying he didn't like Nazis, Ye countered: "I like Nazis. We got to stop dissing the Nazis all the time."
He also said: “Every human being has something of value that they brought to the table, especially Hitler. Also, Hitler was born Christian. I see good things about Hitler also. I love everyone. Jewish people are not going to tell me you can love us, and you can love what we’re doing to you with the contracts, and you can love what we’re pushing with the pornography. But this guy that invented highways, invented the very microphone that I use as a musician, you can’t say out loud that this person ever did anything good, and I’m done with that.”
You can't make this shyte up.
Looks like Elon is part of the woke mob
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Last night, Musk suspended Kanye's account after Ye twatted an image of a swastika inside the Star of David, saying the post violated Twitter's rule against the incitement of violence.
In related news, Kanye apparently has decided not to buy Twitter's fun-loving cousin, Parler. He didn't want to lose a ton more money after losing numerous endorsements for being a vocal Jew-hater.
It's been quite a week for "Ye." He also had a tasty Nazi-Lovers Dinner with infamous anti-Semite Nick Fuentes and the 45th president. And he repeatedly praised Hitler during an interview with Alex Jones.
When Jones tried to play the voice of reason -- think about that! -- by saying he didn't like Nazis, Ye countered: "I like Nazis. We got to stop dissing the Nazis all the time."
He also said: “Every human being has something of value that they brought to the table, especially Hitler. Also, Hitler was born Christian. I see good things about Hitler also. I love everyone. Jewish people are not going to tell me you can love us, and you can love what we’re doing to you with the contracts, and you can love what we’re pushing with the pornography. But this guy that invented highways, invented the very microphone that I use as a musician, you can’t say out loud that this person ever did anything good, and I’m done with that.”
You can't make this shyte up.
Dont forget the random shot at CP3, saying he caught him with Kim Kardashian, as his parting tidbit before he was kicked off Twitter. What a wild day.
That InfoWars interview was really disturbing
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Dont forget the random shot at CP3, saying he caught him with Kim Kardashian, as his parting tidbit before he was kicked off Twitter. What a wild day.
That InfoWars interview was really disturbing
Ye. Elon. Trump.
One party’s glorifying of this guy is the MOST disturbing thing.
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Swell.
Neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin has been reinstated to Twitter under Elon Musk’s new policies for the platform. The founder of the white supremacist website The Daily Stormer had been banned from Twitter since 2013.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-musk-twitter-reinstates-neo-nazi-andrew-anglin-account-1234640390/
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Musk has told us who he is.
It's time more people believe it.
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SAN FRANCISCO — Before Elon Musk bought Twitter, slurs against Black Americans showed up on the social media service an average of 1,282 times a day. After the billionaire became Twitter’s owner, they jumped to 3,876 times a day.
Slurs against gay men appeared on Twitter 2,506 times a day on average before Musk took over. Afterward, their use rose to 3,964 times a day.
And antisemitic posts referring to Jews or Judaism soared more than 61% in the two weeks after Musk acquired the site.
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Ye. Elon. Trump.
One party’s glorifying of this guy is the MOST disturbing thing.
Two down, one to go.
Amusing who they chose to venerate.
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Musk has told us who he is.
It's time more people believe it.
Most do believe it. Which doesn't help.
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Why was Kanye banned?
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Why was Kanye banned?
Rico already answered that: Woke Elon
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Rico already answered that: Woke Elon
🐷🐷
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Why was Kanye banned?
It’s a legit question. Given all the anti-Semites, racists and liars Elon has welcomed (or welcomed back) to the twatters, a post with a swastika is too much?
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Reviewing the posts here looks like msnbc, cnn et. al. are doing their best to keep its audience all frothed up. Haven’t seen this much attention to a company take over since Jeff bezos took over the Washington post…wait…wait until the real juice part II comes out. Then y’all will really be dashing for the depends and the safe rooms. Heard there’s been a run on fidget squeeze toys and petting zoos already
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Reviewing the posts here looks like msnbc, cnn et. al. are doing their best to keep its audience all frothed up. Haven’t seen this much attention to a company take over since Jeff bezos took over the Washington post…wait…wait until the real juice part II comes out. Then y’all will really be dashing for the depends and the safe rooms. Heard there’s been a run on fidget squeeze toys and petting zoos already
I know that you're a little upset that one of your heroes has been convicted of seditious conspiracy, roQQet, but don't take it out on the rest of the world.
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It’s a legit question. Given all the anti-Semites, racists and liars Elon has welcomed (or welcomed back) to the twatters, a post with a swastika is too much?
Musk wants to be sure you know it's NOT because he is incredibly thin-skinned!
(https://images2.imgbox.com/39/c3/8SMvnV4w_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/8SMvnV4w)
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Reviewing the posts here looks like msnbc, cnn et. al. are doing their best to keep its audience all frothed up. Haven’t seen this much attention to a company take over since Jeff bezos took over the Washington post…wait…wait until the real juice part II comes out. Then y’all will really be dashing for the depends and the safe rooms. Heard there’s been a run on fidget squeeze toys and petting zoos already
This rates as an 8.5 out of 10.
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I mean I do think there is a little too much “Oh my God! Look what Musk is doing at Twitter!”
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I mean I do think there is a little too much “Oh my God! Look what Musk is doing at Twitter!”
Well, that’s what he wants. The more eyeballs and more stories, the more advertising dollars that flow in. In theory.
Read roqqet’s posts in this thread, that’s Elon’s intended audience, the perpetually outraged over perceived inequalities against them. That’s a big audience and why Alex Jones has such a big audience. It plays. Call it the conservative radio approach
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Well, that’s what he wants. The more eyeballs and more stories, the more advertising dollars that flow in. In theory.
Read roqqet’s posts in this thread, that’s Elon’s intended audience, the perpetually outraged over perceived inequalities against them. That’s a big audience and why Alex Jones has such a big audience. It plays. Call it the conservative radio approach
I agree. But whatever. Seems like there’s a lot of hand-wringing relative to its actual impact. It’s almost like Elon and Twitter has become the left-wing version of Hunter’s laptop. In the end it’s just mostly people preaching to the choir.
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I agree. But whatever. Seems like there’s a lot of hand-wringing relative to its actual impact. It’s almost like Elon and Twitter has become the left-wing version of Hunter’s laptop. In the end it’s just mostly people preaching to the choir.
For sure. If your Twitter experience has gotten worse since Elon bought it, that’s on you. All the things to cull your feed are still in place
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For sure. If your Twitter experience has gotten worse since Elon bought it, that’s on you. All the things to cull your feed are still in place
This.
Elon’s letting people like Kanye finish themselves off, so let them do it.
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C'mon, guys. We need to jump for the 5% of the population that checks their Twitter feed every day.
they'd also have to shut down half of the 24-hour news programs if we ignore Twitter. Those are the people that read it.
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New Management sharing some of prior
Management editorial practices
https://www.rt.com/news/567621-musk-twitter-files-biden-censorship/
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LOL, thanks for the laugh Hermie.
But a private entity, asking another private entity to delete tweets, isn't "censorship." I think you know that.
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It’s weird that people are upset they didn’t get to see dick pics.
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New Management sharing some of prior
Management editorial practices
https://www.rt.com/news/567621-musk-twitter-files-biden-censorship/
We've told you this before, but Russia Times is russian propaganda. Sharing poor sources makes it easier to dismiss everything you say.
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I agree. But whatever. Seems like there’s a lot of hand-wringing relative to its actual impact. It’s almost like Elon and Twitter has become the left-wing version of Hunter’s laptop. In the end it’s just mostly people preaching to the choir.
hand wringing?? the weird thing is, well it's not really weird considering the huge media bias(flip it around) but if the media is even covering it, they are attacking the messengers instead of the substance. and don't give me the i'm a victim thing cuz i really don't care as we're used to it.
just the fact that so many can ignore the pink tyrannosaurus rex in the room is still amazing. they used to try to hide their bias'. the censorship continues, only now it's with the MMM too. the hypocrisy is beyond hypocrisy. this all goes to the fact that "journalism" used to have standards and it's supposed to be to keep the dumb bells alert to what is happening. the national security implications are off the charts.
is it too much to ask that our country is even trying to keep us safe?
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It’s weird that people are upset they didn’t get to see dick pics.
ohhh, they are there...he even had his own porn hub account for his family movies. i ain't paying to see any of that, but just saying
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hand wringing?? the weird thing is, well it's not really weird considering the huge media bias(flip it around) but if the media is even covering it, they are attacking the messengers instead of the substance. and don't give me the i'm a victim thing cuz i really don't care as we're used to it.
just the fact that so many can ignore the pink tyrannosaurus rex in the room is still amazing. they used to try to hide their bias'. the censorship continues, only now it's with the MMM too. the hypocrisy is beyond hypocrisy. this all goes to the fact that "journalism" used to have standards and it's supposed to be to keep the dumb bells alert to what is happening. the national security implications are off the charts.
is it too much to ask that our country is even trying to keep us safe?
So, so ironic.
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ohhh, they are there...he even had his own porn hub account for his family movies. i ain't paying to see any of that, but just saying
Who cares if he made porn?
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And lacking self awareness.
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New management promoting coming attractions .
https://nypost.com/2022/12/03/elon-musk-more-smoking-guns-to-be-revealed-by-twitter-after-biden-bombshell/amp/
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New management promoting coming attractions .
https://nypost.com/2022/12/03/elon-musk-more-smoking-guns-to-be-revealed-by-twitter-after-biden-bombshell/amp/
This isn't the bombshell the media is trying to make it out to be.
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This isn't the bombshell the media is trying to make it out to be.
It's been a wet squib.
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A bombshell would be something like calling for the termination of the constitution.
This is a reveal of a process.
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hand wringing?? the weird thing is, well it's not really weird considering the huge media bias(flip it around) but if the media is even covering it, they are attacking the messengers instead of the substance. and don't give me the i'm a victim thing cuz i really don't care as we're used to it.
just the fact that so many can ignore the pink tyrannosaurus rex in the room is still amazing. they used to try to hide their bias'. the censorship continues, only now it's with the MMM too. the hypocrisy is beyond hypocrisy. this all goes to the fact that "journalism" used to have standards and it's supposed to be to keep the dumb bells alert to what is happening. the national security implications are off the charts.
is it too much to ask that our country is even trying to keep us safe?
QAnon, Benghazi!, Pizzagate, HCQ, The Big Lie, Ivermectin, Italian satellites, FBI responsible for January 6th, drinking the blood of babies, birthers, wind turbines cause cancer, great replacement, the deep state...yeah, it's totally weird that no one takes your side seriously
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It's been a wet squib.
And like most of these things these days, means WAY more to the zealots who make up 10% of the population than the bulk of the people who vote.
Jane Coaston wrote this about the Trump campaign in 2020, but that campaign and Republicans in general aren't the only ones guilty of this.
https://www.vox.com/21504280/trumps-2020-campaign-too-online
The public doesn't care about so much of this stuff, but it's what wins the Twitter wars. And for some people, that's more important than actually winning an election.
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hand wringing?? the weird thing is, well it's not really weird considering the huge media bias(flip it around) but if the media is even covering it, they are attacking the messengers instead of the substance. and don't give me the i'm a victim thing cuz i really don't care as we're used to it.
just the fact that so many can ignore the pink tyrannosaurus rex in the room is still amazing. they used to try to hide their bias'. the censorship continues, only now it's with the MMM too. the hypocrisy is beyond hypocrisy. this all goes to the fact that "journalism" used to have standards and it's supposed to be to keep the dumb bells alert to what is happening. the national security implications are off the charts.
is it too much to ask that our country is even trying to keep us safe?
How do you feel about the Julian assange situation?
And how do you feel about Twitter approving requests made by the Trump campaign to remove/censor material?
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A bombshell would be something like calling for the termination of the constitution.
It says something about all the batsh*ttery out there these days that this was met with a collective shrug.
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It says something about all the batsh*ttery out there these days that this was met with a collective shrug.
Rs don’t care. Constitution is trivial.
Imagine a candidate for Prez calling for the termination of the Constitution and his entire party is OK with it.
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https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1598841733001142272?t=J6GZk6DMZC_ChhiLTO3Qfg&s=19
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Imagine a candidate for Prez calling for the termination of the Constitution and his entire party is OK with it.
We don't have to imagine it anymore.
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now i'm starting to really see why the lefties are going incontinent with elon taking over twitter...hell, the lame stream media isn't even covering it!!
ya gottta love the minimizing, nothing to see here, lying...it was criminal but nothing is going to happen until there are consequences. not tot worry, the wolves are watching the hen house so don't be surprised. #44 weaponized everything in order for this all to happen. i just wish they would've hired on more irs agents to get those damn tax cheaters
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now i'm starting to really see why the lefties are going incontinent with elon taking over twitter...hell, the lame stream media isn't even covering it!!
ya gottta love the minimizing, nothing to see here, lying...it was criminal but nothing is going to happen until there are consequences. not tot worry, the wolves are watching the hen house so don't be surprised. #44 weaponized everything in order for this all to happen. i just wish they would've hired on more irs agents to get those damn tax cheaters
How do you feel about Twitter removing information at the request of the Trump administration?
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now i'm starting to really see why the lefties are going incontinent with elon taking over twitter...hell, the lame stream media isn't even covering it!!
ya gottta love the minimizing, nothing to see here, lying...it was criminal but nothing is going to happen until there are consequences. not tot worry, the wolves are watching the hen house so don't be surprised. #44 weaponized everything in order for this all to happen. i just wish they would've hired on more irs agents to get those damn tax cheaters
You're right, man, Birds Aren't Real
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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-admits-bias-in-algorithm-for-rightwing-politicians-and-news-outlets
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How do you feel about Twitter removing information at the request of the Trump administration?
i doubt that's what you guys were afraid of. umm, and yeah like anyone at twitter would have even been listening to anyone from the trump team as 99.99999% of the twitter money went to the d's. any of "them" found out you donated to r's or heeded trump admin direction, whoa boy! you could probably start with a nuclear hinder binder and that would be just goofin around
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i doubt that's what you guys were afraid of. umm, and yeah like anyone at twitter would have even been listening to anyone from the trump team as 99.99999% of the twitter money went to the d's. any of "them" found out you donated to r's or heeded trump admin direction, whoa boy! you could probably start with a nuclear hinder binder and that would be just goofin around
So you chicken-sh*tted out of answering.
Not surprised.
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So you chicken-sh*tted out of answering.
Not surprised.
How were you even able to decipher that word salad enough to reply?
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i doubt that's what you guys were afraid of. umm, and yeah like anyone at twitter would have even been listening to anyone from the trump team as 99.99999% of the twitter money went to the d's. any of "them" found out you donated to r's or heeded trump admin direction, whoa boy! you could probably start with a nuclear hinder binder and that would be just goofin around
I asked you a question. Could you please answer?
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I asked you a question. Could you please answer?
this is a quote directly from matt taibbi-
"celebrities and unknowns" alike could be removed "at the behest of a political party," but, "This system wasn't balanced. It was based on contacts. Because Twitter was and is overwhelmingly staffed by people of one political orientation, there were more channels, more ways to complain, open to the left (well, Democrats) than the right."
the amount and the level of influence by one group compared to the other is, well, like the arse kickin contest with the one legged man. if you are trying to paint it
with a "they all do it" brush, you are absolutely crazy!! what was happening at twitter was akin to, aww shoot, what's the term, umm large biness squeezing the little people at the behest of the "big guys", geez that sounds kinda like fascism or something eyna?
if the fbi was calling on twitter, facebook, google, et.al. to limit what content was put out, katie bar the door. #44 weaponized that swamp over 10 years ago
here's my question to you jesmu-who had the most influence over the removal of material? who's material that was removed was more consequential? who removed MORE material, trump or the people who control biden?
i hope i wrote that slow enough for jock breath to understand. chicken-sh*** out? sorry i don't have the time to camp out here like many of you
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Still didn’t answer.
Anyway it’s a private company under no obligation to be balanced in any manner. Lots of hand-writing over nothing.
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What depths has America sunk to when a private company enforces its ToS against those posting misinformation, hate speech, incitements to violence, and porn??
Fortunately the country is saved, as Musk remakes Twitter to be more like Russian Telegraph.
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Still didn’t answer.
Anyway it’s a private company under no obligation to be balanced in any manner. Lots of hand-writing over nothing.
a private company acted in accordance with the fbi?
how many people of the opposing party were banned
how many people of the opposing party got the perma ban?
yo sully or whatever your name is today- you got an advertising (private) biness and the fbi knocks on your door and says you can't do any ads for gay black people...is that cool?
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a private company acted in accordance with the fbi?
how many people of the opposing party were banned
how many people of the opposing party got the perma ban?
yo sully or whatever your name is today- you got an advertising (private) biness and the fbi knocks on your door and says you can't do any ads for gay black people...is that cool?
No. And that’s a terrible analogy. I would hope you know that…but it’s likely you don’t.
Now can you finally answer the question posed to you? Or are you going to chicken-sh*t out a FOURTH time.
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this is a quote directly from matt taibbi-
"celebrities and unknowns" alike could be removed "at the behest of a political party," but, "This system wasn't balanced. It was based on contacts. Because Twitter was and is overwhelmingly staffed by people of one political orientation, there were more channels, more ways to complain, open to the left (well, Democrats) than the right."
the amount and the level of influence by one group compared to the other is, well, like the arse kickin contest with the one legged man. if you are trying to paint it
with a "they all do it" brush, you are absolutely crazy!! what was happening at twitter was akin to, aww shoot, what's the term, umm large biness squeezing the little people at the behest of the "big guys", geez that sounds kinda like fascism or something eyna?
if the fbi was calling on twitter, facebook, google, et.al. to limit what content was put out, katie bar the door. #44 weaponized that swamp over 10 years ago
here's my question to you jesmu-who had the most influence over the removal of material? who's material that was removed was more consequential? who removed MORE material, trump or the people who control biden?
i hope i wrote that slow enough for jock breath to understand. chicken-sh*** out? sorry i don't have the time to camp out here like many of you
What do you think about twitter restricting what and how Taibbi is allowed to report on in the twitter files, which have largely been inconsequential in terms of content?
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how many people of the opposing party were banned
how many people of the opposing party got the perma ban?
All those that posted racist, homophobic, misogynistic, hateful content? Those that spread disinformation and lies?
I assume you are very, very upset with Parler, Gettr, Gab, Turd Social, Pillow Talk, etc. etc. for their content moderation policies removing posts they don't like? No?
As owner of a private company, Eloon can decide what can and can't be posted on his platform. He has made it very clear, posting racist memes himself and amplifying right-wing hate speech. Totally within his rights, just as it was within Twitter's right to ban people who broke their ToS. Musk has become a one-person content moderation board, and he has made it clear that right-wing misinformation and lies are OK, but criticizing or making fun of him will get you banned. Welcome back, The Daily Stormer!
Of course, CEOs don't tend to act like 12-year-old, abrasive, racist a-holes because it is bad for business. At first I thought Musk just didn't have any idea how to successfully run a social media company, but I am now of the opinion he just doesn't care. His farts smell so sweet, they absolutely must be shared with the world! So far it has only cost him ~$90B in net worth--but it's still early!
The people who should be most pissed are Tesla shareholders, because his a-hole behavior is costing them big time. But you'd have to have a BoD that would be willing to put some guardrails around his asinine behavior, and of course those people weren't put on the Board because they were going to practice good governance.
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this is a quote directly from matt taibbi-
"celebrities and unknowns" alike could be removed "at the behest of a political party," but, "This system wasn't balanced. It was based on contacts. Because Twitter was and is overwhelmingly staffed by people of one political orientation, there were more channels, more ways to complain, open to the left (well, Democrats) than the right."
the amount and the level of influence by one group compared to the other is, well, like the arse kickin contest with the one legged man. if you are trying to paint it
with a "they all do it" brush, you are absolutely crazy!! what was happening at twitter was akin to, aww shoot, what's the term, umm large biness squeezing the little people at the behest of the "big guys", geez that sounds kinda like fascism or something eyna?
if the fbi was calling on twitter, facebook, google, et.al. to limit what content was put out, katie bar the door. #44 weaponized that swamp over 10 years ago
here's my question to you jesmu-who had the most influence over the removal of material? who's material that was removed was more consequential? who removed MORE material, trump or the people who control biden?
i hope i wrote that slow enough for jock breath to understand. chicken-sh*** out? sorry i don't have the time to camp out here like many of you
How do you feel about Twitter removing information at the request of the Trump administration?
Would you please answer the question?
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The right's new hero...
(Bloomberg) -- Elon Musk posted tweets including an excerpt of Yoel Roth’s doctoral dissertation Saturday that suggested the former Twitter executive is an advocate for child sexualization — a baseless trope that leaves Roth susceptible to online abuse.
Far-right and extremist voices have long pushed a false claim that LGBTQ+ people are sexual predators who are “grooming” children to abuse them. In September, the Anti-Defamation League’s Center for Extremism said that “the result of this widespread hateful rhetoric has been a spike in harassment, threats and violence targeting the LGBTQ+ community.”
Musk in 2018 called a British caver who was involved in the rescue of a trapped Thai youth soccer team a “pedo guy.” One of his aides paid $50,000 to hire a private investigator in a futile attempt to back up the assertion. In 2019, Musk beat back a defamation claim from the cave expert in a Los Angeles court in 2019.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/elon-musk-steps-up-attacks-on-twitter-s-former-safety-head/ar-AA158Buk?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b01faa26f32a4f8682f2c84648404d40
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How do you feel about Twitter removing information at the request of the Trump administration?
Would you please answer the question?
i've heard some information was removed at request of trump, but not aware of what information that was...tell me what they asked to be removed. so i'm not going to answer the question until i know what it was he demanded and got removed. if he had important voices such as obama, fauci, etc removed, that is wrong. but i'm not aware of what affect he had on twitter at all compared to the biden administration. if you want to talk about "whataboutisms" let's have at it. but you guys are trying to distract from the pink tyrannosaurus rex in the room
for those of you who do not see anything wrong here are either dishonest or in such deep partisan denial, i fear for the direction this country could go with you in charge.
if you are trying to equate what trump did with what the fbi is doing at the orders of the biden administration, again, i fear for the direction of this country.
what twitter, facebook, google, main stream media, et.al. are doing and have done, the damage to this country as a whole is demoralizing and terrifying.
once again, turn this around and tell me with a straight face this is all good
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i've heard some information was removed at request of trump, but not aware of what information that was...tell me what they asked to be removed. so i'm not going to answer the question until i know what it was he demanded and got removed. if he had important voices such as obama, fauci, etc removed, that is wrong. but i'm not aware of what affect he had on twitter at all compared to the biden administration. if you want to talk about "whataboutisms" let's have at it. but you guys are trying to distract from the pink tyrannosaurus rex in the room
for those of you who do not see anything wrong here are either dishonest or in such deep partisan denial, i fear for the direction this country could go with you in charge.
if you are trying to equate what trump did with what the fbi is doing at the orders of the biden administration, again, i fear for the direction of this country.
what twitter, facebook, google, main stream media, et.al. are doing and have done, the damage to this country as a whole is demoralizing and terrifying.
once again, turn this around and tell me with a straight face this is all good
Twitter moderators getting disinformation info from the FBI wasn't "good." But it is hardly "demoralizing and terrifying" either.
And where did you get that Twitter did anything at the "orders" of the Biden administration?
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i've heard some information was removed at request of trump, but not aware of what information that was...tell me what they asked to be removed. so i'm not going to answer the question until i know what it was he demanded and got removed. if he had important voices such as obama, fauci, etc removed, that is wrong. but i'm not aware of what affect he had on twitter at all compared to the biden administration. if you want to talk about "whataboutisms" let's have at it. but you guys are trying to distract from the pink tyrannosaurus rex in the room
for those of you who do not see anything wrong here are either dishonest or in such deep partisan denial, i fear for the direction this country could go with you in charge.
if you are trying to equate what trump did with what the fbi is doing at the orders of the biden administration, again, i fear for the direction of this country.
what twitter, facebook, google, main stream media, et.al. are doing and have done, the damage to this country as a whole is demoralizing and terrifying.
once again, turn this around and tell me with a straight face this is all good
Can you please provide information from the recent Taibbi release that indicates the Biden administration/white house influenced Twitter?
FYI, the reason you (or anyone) don't know the details behind the Trump administration removing info on Twitter is because Musk won't release the information
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i've heard some information was removed at request of trump, but not aware of what information that was...tell me what they asked to be removed. so i'm not going to answer the question until i know what it was he demanded and got removed. if he had important voices such as obama, fauci, etc removed, that is wrong. but i'm not aware of what affect he had on twitter at all compared to the biden administration. if you want to talk about "whataboutisms" let's have at it. but you guys are trying to distract from the pink tyrannosaurus rex in the room
for those of you who do not see anything wrong here are either dishonest or in such deep partisan denial, i fear for the direction this country could go with you in charge.
if you are trying to equate what trump did with what the fbi is doing at the orders of the biden administration, again, i fear for the direction of this country.
what twitter, facebook, google, main stream media, et.al. are doing and have done, the damage to this country as a whole is demoralizing and terrifying.
once again, turn this around and tell me with a straight face this is all good
"I have no idea what Trump did, and I really don't care anyway.
I'm just going to assume Biden is ordering the FBI to do stuff, and it's horrible! Even though I don't have any actual information, I just know it is horrible."
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tucker sed so!
don’t need to know nuthin’ more!!
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The right's new hero...
(Bloomberg) -- Elon Musk posted tweets including an excerpt of Yoel Roth’s doctoral dissertation Saturday that suggested the former Twitter executive is an advocate for child sexualization — a baseless trope that leaves Roth susceptible to online abuse.
Far-right and extremist voices have long pushed a false claim that LGBTQ+ people are sexual predators who are “grooming” children to abuse them. In September, the Anti-Defamation League’s Center for Extremism said that “the result of this widespread hateful rhetoric has been a spike in harassment, threats and violence targeting the LGBTQ+ community.”
Musk in 2018 called a British caver who was involved in the rescue of a trapped Thai youth soccer team a “pedo guy.” One of his aides paid $50,000 to hire a private investigator in a futile attempt to back up the assertion. In 2019, Musk beat back a defamation claim from the cave expert in a Los Angeles court in 2019.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/elon-musk-steps-up-attacks-on-twitter-s-former-safety-head/ar-AA158Buk?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b01faa26f32a4f8682f2c84648404d40
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Musk now calling for prosecuting Fauci.
Once again, Musk is telling us who he is.
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Yeah, this is the right-wing's hero, a guy that when disagreed with calls people pedophiles.
"We’ve discussed at some length in the past how there’s is a far-right alternative universe in which pedophilia and child sexual exploitation are not those actual things but cudgels to be used against political enemies, ‘globalists’ and anyone even proximate to supporting the rights of the LBGT community. This is the well spring of things like the ‘Pizzagate’ conspiracy theory and much of what is now labeled Qanon.
Roth stayed on during Musk’s early weeks at Twitter and Musk frequently put him forward to defend against claims he was opening the floodgates of hate on the platform. Roth was awesome. But then in recent days Roth took the fateful step of mildly criticizing Musk in public. Last night Musk retaliated by insinuating that Roth himself might be a pedophile and that that might explain Twitter’s purported laxity toward ‘groomers’ and pedophiles before he acquired the company.
There’s really no limit to the levels of predation and malevolence Musk is capable of. This is simply an alternative ecosystem in which charges of pedophilia are merely cudgels in far right ideological combat. Musk actually notoriously did the same thing, though with less attention to a British caver in 2018 when the man had the temerity to decline Musk’s DYI submarine suggestion during the effort to save a group of Thai youths trapped in a flooded cave.
Six weeks ago Musk’s Twitter takeover was still apparently about ‘free speech’ and the ‘woke mob’ and unbanning Donald Trump. In a period of about a week it’s become a kind of Lord of the Flies of pedophilia smears.
These campaigns were dangerous and vile in the past. When they’re led by a guy with 120 million followers who owns the platform it’s a different matter entirely."
Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) is the founder and Editor-in-Chief of TPM.
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It is understandable why people who deny truth or have alternative truths are all in.
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Yeah, this is the right-wing's hero, a guy that when disagreed with calls people pedophiles.
"We’ve discussed at some length in the past how there’s is a far-right alternative universe in which pedophilia and child sexual exploitation are not those actual things but cudgels to be used against political enemies, ‘globalists’ and anyone even proximate to supporting the rights of the LBGT community. This is the well spring of things like the ‘Pizzagate’ conspiracy theory and much of what is now labeled Qanon.
Roth stayed on during Musk’s early weeks at Twitter and Musk frequently put him forward to defend against claims he was opening the floodgates of hate on the platform. Roth was awesome. But then in recent days Roth took the fateful step of mildly criticizing Musk in public. Last night Musk retaliated by insinuating that Roth himself might be a pedophile and that that might explain Twitter’s purported laxity toward ‘groomers’ and pedophiles before he acquired the company.
There’s really no limit to the levels of predation and malevolence Musk is capable of. This is simply an alternative ecosystem in which charges of pedophilia are merely cudgels in far right ideological combat. Musk actually notoriously did the same thing, though with less attention to a British caver in 2018 when the man had the temerity to decline Musk’s DYI submarine suggestion during the effort to save a group of Thai youths trapped in a flooded cave.
Six weeks ago Musk’s Twitter takeover was still apparently about ‘free speech’ and the ‘woke mob’ and unbanning Donald Trump. In a period of about a week it’s become a kind of Lord of the Flies of pedophilia smears.
These campaigns were dangerous and vile in the past. When they’re led by a guy with 120 million followers who owns the platform it’s a different matter entirely."
Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) is the founder and Editor-in-Chief of TPM.
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You are more clever than resigning yourself to be just be a “reply guy”.
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You are more clever than resigning yourself to be just be a “reply guy”.
Is he though?
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You are more clever than resigning yourself to be just be a “reply guy”.
Assumes facts not in evidence
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Is he though?
Eh, might as well let him go, he is literally a zero. Roqqet's posts are more interesting and valuable. He's the -4.0 replacement value player.
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He used to be.
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Free speech.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/twitter-account-following-elon-musks-private-jet-gets-shadow-banned?ref=home
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https://twitter.com/punishedmother/status/1602144310350286848?t=nmh7TrucA9M27bcx_ia-kQ&s=19
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Seriously, if you have a problem with Twitter, or the way it's being run, you shouldn't be using it or linking to it. This is really weird to me. Perhaps, it's because the term "train wreck" was because it's really fun to watch a train wreck.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/staged-train-wrecks
Also, probably no surprise that originated in Texas.
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Eh, might as well let him go, he is literally a zero. Roqqet's posts are more interesting and valuable. He's the -4.0 replacement value player.
You posts seals, I post pig emojis. Usually two pigs, but maybe I'll spice it up for you.
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You posts seals, I post pig emojis. Usually two pigs, but maybe I'll spice it up for you.
Nope. I don't. What a useless poster.
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Someone needs to ask QElon if the ex-Twitter pedophiles are bringing the kids to Comet Ping Pong, or just eating them on the spot.
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Musk now taking down accounts that post the video of him getting booed at the Chappelle show last night.
Meanwhile, Tesla down another 6% today. Given Tesla shares are pledged against the Twitter purchase, there is a small but real chance that a continued downward spiral has cascading consequences.
As I said, it's Tesla shareholders that should be really pissed off that his antics are costing them real money. Welcoming Nazis to your platform, smearing people as pedophiles, bashing the LGBTQ+ community, trafficking in right-wing paranoid conspiracy theories, and generally showing that you are an entitled a-hole nonstop are generally things CEOs have enough common sense to avoid due to the impact on business. Oh, and look:
Tesla’s approval rating sinks into negative territory, survey finds
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/teslas-approval-rating-sinks-into-negative-territory-survey-finds-11670602596?mod=economy-politics
"Tesla’s approval rating has fallen fast, according to one survey. Yes, like politicians, automobile makers have approval ratings.
The electric-car maker started 2022 with a net-positive score of 5.9%, then peaked in May at 6.7%. In early November, it fell to a negative-1.4% reading.
YouGov found a political divide in the numbers. As the Wall Street Journal explains, “self-described liberals now view Tesla more negatively than conservatives, though conservatives also have a negative view of the brand on average.”
What changed to influence opinions so radically? Tesla CEO Elon Musk famously bought the social network Twitter at the end of October and has been a prominent figure in the news for reshaping its operations."
Please proceed, Eloon.
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Musk now taking down accounts that post the video of him getting booed at the Chappelle show last night.
No one has ever tried so hard to be cool and failed so thoroughly since Peter Brady said "pork chops and applesauce."
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No wonder he hates free speech.
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The hero of free speech only likes free speech when he likes what the speech is. He's a fraud.
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Isn't this what every genius CEO does? Incite violent threats against anyone that mildly disagrees with you and baselessly call them a pedophile?
Former top Twitter official forced to leave home due to threats amid 'Twitter Files' release
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/12/tech/twitter-files-yoel-roth/index.html
"Twitter’s former head of trust and safety has fled his home due to an escalation in threats resulting from Elon Musk’s campaign of criticism against him, a person familiar with the matter told CNN on Monday.
Yoel Roth, who resigned from the social media company in November, has in recent weeks faced a storm of attacks and threats of violence following the release of the so-called “Twitter Files” — internal Twitter communications that new owner Musk has released through journalists including Matt Taibbi and Bari Weiss.
Roth has since been the subject of criticism and threats following the release of the Twitter Files. However, things took a dark turn over the weekend when Musk appeared to endorse a tweet that baselessly accused Roth of being sympathetic to pedophilia — a common trope used by conspiracy theorists to attack people online."
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Oops.
Per the WSJ:
"Earlier this month the New York Times reported that as of October, Twitter's roster of advertisers had fallen nearly 42% since May. Similarweb's data paint an even worse picture: Activity on Twitter's ad manager, a subdomain of Twitter's ad platform sites that specifically hosts those creating or monitoring ad campaigns, declined nearly 74% in October from a year earlier, according to the firm's data. In November, visits fell 85% on the same basis—the largest ad traffic decline since Twitter's change of hands."
And:
https://twitter.com/duty2warn/status/1601970481325756416
"The ads you see on Twitter, for the most part, are PI deals. PI means Per Inquiry. They are free ads, Twitter only earns revenue when people click to order the dumpling maker, shoehorn, or toothpaste squeezer. The lowest end advertising. What an embarrassment for Twitter and Musk"
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Oops.
Per the WSJ:
"Earlier this month the New York Times reported that as of October, Twitter's roster of advertisers had fallen nearly 42% since May. Similarweb's data paint an even worse picture: Activity on Twitter's ad manager, a subdomain of Twitter's ad platform sites that specifically hosts those creating or monitoring ad campaigns, declined nearly 74% in October from a year earlier, according to the firm's data. In November, visits fell 85% on the same basis—the largest ad traffic decline since Twitter's change of hands."
And:
https://twitter.com/duty2warn/status/1601970481325756416
"The ads you see on Twitter, for the most part, are PI deals. PI means Per Inquiry. They are free ads, Twitter only earns revenue when people click to order the dumpling maker, shoehorn, or toothpaste squeezer. The lowest end advertising. What an embarrassment for Twitter and Musk"
Yep, and he just disbanded Twitter's oversight committee. Did it minutes before they were supposed to meet. He wants to be a committee of one. The racist, anti-Semitic, conspiracy-theory crud he's happy to allow -- as long as it doesn't poke fun at him -- will impress advertisers even more.
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To echo Rocky's post, why are folks linking to Twitter stories about how things are going badly for Twitter? Doesn't that only prove Twitter's ongoing importance? I'd love to see Twitter die on the vine, it's a social ill. But, sharing Twitter stories about Twitter's predicted demise seems to contradict the feast of schadenfreude people are having about it.
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To echo Rocky's post, why are folks linking to Twitter stories about how things are going badly for Twitter? Doesn't that only prove Twitter's ongoing importance? I'd love to see Twitter die on the vine, it's a social ill. But, sharing Twitter stories about Twitter's predicted demise seems to contradict the feast of schadenfreude people are having about it.
Because it is a discussion thread about Twitter?
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To echo Rocky's post, why are folks linking to Twitter stories about how things are going badly for Twitter? Doesn't that only prove Twitter's ongoing importance? I'd love to see Twitter die on the vine, it's a social ill. But, sharing Twitter stories about Twitter's predicted demise seems to contradict the feast of schadenfreude people are having about it.
Twitter is no more of a social ill than the printing press is a social ill.
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Twitter is no more of a social ill than the printing press is a social ill.
Exactly.
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Twitter is no more of a social ill than the printing press is a social ill.
Yep. I feel like 90% of the people who deem Twitter toxic/trash/social ill have not found a productive use for it. Absolutely there is a ton of trash and horrible stuff on it, but I will steadfastly declare there is no better place for breaking news. And its actually a great customer service tool. If you @ a brand, you get a response very quick more often than not.
Example, I flew home from Brussels last Thursday. There was a planeful of passengers headed to Cameroon who had their plane turned around for a mechanical issue. As they couldn't get a replacement plane and they didn't have proper visas, they were stranded in the airport. So they blocked the entrance into the main Schengen terminal at BRU and prevented anyone from getting in. Backing up hundreds of people. Airport staff said nothing, there were no updates, nobody knew anything. I went on Twitter, found some tweets about it, including a news story, and also found out that they were bussing people to the other side of the terminal. Otherwise I would have been clueless or needing to ask random mostly uninformed strangers.
Thats worth it to me to offset DragginNutz69420 trolling accounts
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Twitter is no more of a social ill than the printing press is a social ill.
I would push back on that. Twitter's use of algorithms, immediacy, and uniformity of presentation for all posters makes it a different animal. Those factors are common to all social media, but I don't think its as simple as "dissemination of information and opinion is dissemination of information and opinion."
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Twitter is no more of a social ill than the printing press is a social ill.
I would push back on that. Twitter's use of algorithms, immediacy, and uniformity of presentation for all posters makes it a different animal. Those factors are common to all social media, but I don't think its as simple as "dissemination of information and opinion is dissemination of information and opinion."
Agree with MUBurrow. The printing press, from 100 years ago or 10, is not free, and is open only to those who have the money to print.
Not only is Twitter free to publish upon, but so are their distribution mechanisms. This adds a frictionless ability for the rabble to rouse, extremely, and voluminously to all four corners of the earth, instantly.
To compare it to a printing press (and distribution network) on steroids (to the 99th power) is not even close .. it's an entirely different animal.
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Because it is a discussion thread about Twitter?
The point is that if people are getting their reportage *about* Twitter on Twitter, then it suggests it’s too central to the news/discourse to dismiss as finished.
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Agree with MUBurrow. The printing press, from 100 years ago or 10, is not free, and is open only to those who have the money to print.
Not only is Twitter free to publish upon, but so are their distribution mechanisms. This adds a frictionless ability for the rabble to rouse, extremely, and voluminously to all four corners of the earth, instantly.
To compare it to a printing press (and distribution network) on steroids (to the 99th power) is not even close .. it's an entirely different animal.
You misunderstand.
I'm not saying Twitter and the printing press are the same thing.
I'm saying any "social ill" produced and distributed via Twitter or the printing press is the result of the producer's intents, not the medium itself.
Twitter, like the printing press, is merely a tool for communication. In and of itself, it is neither good or bad.
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You misunderstand.
I'm not saying Twitter and the printing press are the same thing.
I'm saying any "social ill" produced and distributed via Twitter or the printing press is the result of the producer's intents, not the medium itself.
Twitter, like the printing press, is merely a tool for communication. In and of itself, it is neither good or bad.
And there were people who thought the printing press was evil too.
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And there were people who thought the printing press was evil too.
damn those peasants that wanted to read the Bible in their own language
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And there were people who thought the printing press was evil too.
I don't trust any writing that hasn't been scripted with a human hand. The devils work that is
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You misunderstand.
I'm not saying Twitter and the printing press are the same thing.
I'm saying any "social ill" produced and distributed via Twitter or the printing press is the result of the producer's intents, not the medium itself.
Twitter, like the printing press, is merely a tool for communication. In and of itself, it is neither good or bad.
Sure but I kind of think this is similar to the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument. The capabilities of the tool matter. The printing press is a musket. Social media is a gatling gun.
To be clear, I'm not suggesting that social media needs to be regulated in the same way that weapons of war do. Just arguing that the conversation isn't as simple as saying the tool is neither good nor bad.
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Sure but I kind of think this is similar to the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument. The capabilities of the tool matter. The printing press is a musket. Social media is a gatling gun.
To be clear, I'm not suggesting that social media needs to be regulated in the same way that weapons of war do. Just arguing that the conversation isn't as simple as saying the tool is neither good nor bad.
I figured someone would make this analogy.
Here's where I think it fails: The purpose of a gun is to harm and, most often, kill. Hunting, self-defense, law enforcement, war, whatever ... guns exist to injure and kill. When you shoot a human or an animal with a gun, you're using it as it exactly as it was designed and intended.
Not so with Twitter. Twitter wasn't created as a means to distribute child porn, or to harass women, or spread hate. Jack Dorsey didn't wake up one morning and say, "How can we most efficiently spread hate and conspiracy theories." It absolutely can be used to do that, but that's not its purpose or why it was founded.
Twitter is more like a hammer. You can use a hammer to hurt someone. But the hammer you pick up at Lowe's or Home Depot wasn't created or designed for that purpose, and if it is used to harm someone, it's a misuse of that tool.
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I figured someone would make this analogy.
Here's where I think it fails: The purpose of a gun is to harm and, most often, kill. Hunting, self-defense, law enforcement, war, whatever ... guns exist to injure and kill. When you shoot a human or an animal with a gun, you're using it as it exactly as it was designed and intended.
Not so with Twitter. Twitter wasn't created as a means to distribute child porn, or to harass women, or spread hate. Jack Dorsey didn't wake up one morning and say, "How can we most efficiently spread hate and conspiracy theories." It absolutely can be used to do that, but that's not its purpose or why it was founded.
Twitter is more like a hammer. You can use a hammer to hurt someone. But the hammer you pick up at Lowe's or Home Depot wasn't created or designed for that purpose, and if it is used to harm someone, it's a misuse of that tool.
Again, I don't disagree but I'm not just talking about hate, conspiracy theories, and child porn (though I think there are a lot more people spreading hate on Twitter than people hurting people with hammers). I don't think the human brain, especially an adolescent's brain, is meant to be able to handle the constant bombardment of information that comes with social media. I think using social media as intended can lead to increased anxiety, depression and even things like suicidal ideation and addiction in extreme cases. In a way it's almost akin to drugs, cigarettes, or alcohol. Even using them as they are intended to be used can lead to negative outcomes especially when used in excess.
I think social media being a "social ill" is more a public health problem than a public safety problem. Unfortunately, there's no easy/good way to regulate it like there is with drugs and alcohol because it's too intertwined with free speech. I think parents and schools educating kids on healthy online behaviors is probably the best bet that's easier said than done. Lil TAMU is about to turn 3 and the Mrs. and I are already trying to figure out the best ways to have these future conversations.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/musk-shakes-twitters-legal-team-123811901.html
Stop paying rent and vendors.
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Yep. I feel like 90% of the people who deem Twitter toxic/trash/social ill have not found a productive use for it. Absolutely there is a ton of trash and horrible stuff on it, but I will steadfastly declare there is no better place for breaking news. And its actually a great customer service tool. If you @ a brand, you get a response very quick more often than not.
Example, I flew home from Brussels last Thursday. There was a planeful of passengers headed to Cameroon who had their plane turned around for a mechanical issue. As they couldn't get a replacement plane and they didn't have proper visas, they were stranded in the airport. So they blocked the entrance into the main Schengen terminal at BRU and prevented anyone from getting in. Backing up hundreds of people. Airport staff said nothing, there were no updates, nobody knew anything. I went on Twitter, found some tweets about it, including a news story, and also found out that they were bussing people to the other side of the terminal. Otherwise I would have been clueless or needing to ask random mostly uninformed strangers.
Thats worth it to me to offset DragginNutz69420 trolling accounts
It's this. They see twitter news on TV broadcasts, or on news websites. And as a result, they will only see a small partition of Twitter, and usually that portion is negative.
Twitter is a great tool for staying up to date with breaking news. It just requires the end user to be a lot more media conscience than the average American is.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/musk-shakes-twitters-legal-team-123811901.html
Stop paying rent and vendors.
Someone needs to do an exorcism or something on Musk. Dude is possessed to destroy things around him.
For the legal folks. Any legal recourse for investors in SpaceX given that Musk is raiding it for talent to send to his private company Twitter?
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Someone needs to do an exorcism or something on Musk. Dude is possessed to destroy things around him.
For the legal folks. Any legal recourse for investors in SpaceX given that Musk is raiding it for talent to send to his private company Twitter?
Divest.
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Someone needs to do an exorcism or something on Musk. Dude is possessed to destroy things around him.
For the legal folks. Any legal recourse for investors in SpaceX given that Musk is raiding it for talent to send to his private company Twitter?
SpaceX is also private...
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Someone needs to do an exorcism or something on Musk. Dude is possessed to destroy things around him.
Judging by the Chappelle appearance, Musk has created such a bubble around himself of yes man and fanboys that he was absolutely stunned to learn that not everyone in the world agrees that his farts are both delectable and the universe's greatest aphrodisiac.
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Judging by the Chappelle appearance, Musk has created such a bubble around himself of yes man and fanboys that he was absolutely stunned to learn that not everyone in the world agrees that his farts are both delectable and the universe's greatest aphrodisiac.
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SpaceX is also private...
There oughta be a law!
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This gets more funny every time you do it.
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Jack, Musk, and Cathie Wood (LOL) bizarrely pumping bitcoin, complete with "scan this QR code and change your life" messaging.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-vp8z0Klvk
This can only mean Musk has been accumulating bitcoin in order to pump and dump and try to recover some of his loses.
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This gets more funny every time you do it.
I prefer that than having him use actual words.
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SpaceX is also private...
Doesn't mean there aren't investors.
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SpaceX is also private...
Thanks. I had thought I remembered seeing something on CNBC about its stock price a while back. My guess is I misremembered and they were talking about a valuation if it went public...my bad.
Even so, I would think that he has a fiduciary responsibility to the investors of SpaceX (re. Pakuni's followup) to act in the best interest of SpaceX, which he is not doing when he is pilfering it for top talent to save his other investment.
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Doesn't mean there aren't investors.
Sure but outside of huge PE funds and the like, the demands towards things like that in the private company realm are a bit less pronounced. I'd also be pretty surprised if the majority of significant SpaceX investors aren't otherwise invested in Musk's other endeavors, aka investing in Musk the portfolio as opposed to just SpaceX, as investor composition in private companies is usually more calculated and discerning by the founder/owners/majority shareholders.
Largely informed speculation, but just a hunch. Pulling from TSLA for Twitter is a different issue, if that happened.
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Sure but outside of huge PE funds and the like, the demands towards things like that in the private company realm are a bit less pronounced. I'd also be pretty surprised if the majority of significant SpaceX investors aren't otherwise invested in Musk's other endeavors, aka investing in Musk the portfolio as opposed to just SpaceX, as investor composition in private companies is usually more calculated and discerning by the founder/owners/majority shareholders.
Largely informed speculation, but just a hunch. Pulling from TSLA for Twitter is a different issue, if that happened.
Musk sold 7.924 million shares of TSLA between Aug. 5-9 in advance of completing the Twitter deal, and he then sold another 19.5 million shares from Nov. 4-8 shortly after closing the deal.
https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/insiders/musk-elon-831665
One would have to REALLY believe in coincidences if one argues that he wasn't selling billions of dollars worth of TSLA -- moves that contributed to the stock's price decline -- to help fund his Twitter purchase.
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Musk sold 7.924 million shares of TSLA between Aug. 5-9 in advance of completing the Twitter deal, and he then sold another 19.5 million shares from Nov. 4-8 shortly after closing the deal.
https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/insiders/musk-elon-831665
One would have to REALLY believe in coincidences if one argues that he wasn't selling billions of dollars worth of TSLA -- moves that contributed to the stock's price decline -- to help fund his Twitter purchase.
Pulling employees from Tesla, like the SpaceX convo before. Not money or shares
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Pulling employees from Tesla, like the SpaceX convo before. Not money or shares
Yes, that's different.
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Musk sold 7.924 million shares of TSLA between Aug. 5-9 in advance of completing the Twitter deal, and he then sold another 19.5 million shares from Nov. 4-8 shortly after closing the deal.
https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/insiders/musk-elon-831665
One would have to REALLY believe in coincidences if one argues that he wasn't selling billions of dollars worth of TSLA -- moves that contributed to the stock's price decline -- to help fund his Twitter purchase.
Elon Musk sells yet another $3.6 billion in TSLA stock to fund Twitter
The sale represents almost 22 million shares of TSLA sold over the course of the last three trading days, at share prices between $156–$176. TSLA stock has fallen about 20 points in that time period, losing more than 10% of its value.
https://electrek.co/2022/12/14/elon-musk-sells-yet-another-3-6-billion-in-tsla-stock-to-fund-twitter-disaster/
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Hubris.
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Elon Musk sells yet another $3.6 billion in TSLA stock to fund Twitter
The sale represents almost 22 million shares of TSLA sold over the course of the last three trading days, at share prices between $156–$176. TSLA stock has fallen about 20 points in that time period, losing more than 10% of its value.
https://electrek.co/2022/12/14/elon-musk-sells-yet-another-3-6-billion-in-tsla-stock-to-fund-twitter-disaster/
Mr. Market hates huge management stock sells. In addition to the sell itself driving down the price, the market reaction drives it down further.
Terrible stewardship of Musk's main enterprise.
Here's more from the NYT DealBook:
Musk has now sold $23 billion worth of Tesla stock this year, much of it after he pledged in April to stop selling shares to finance his Twitter deal.
None of this will reassure Tesla shareholders who are fretting over the 61 percent drop in the carmaker’s stock price this year — and a C.E.O. who has admitted to spending nearly all of his time at Twitter nowadays. Leo KoGuan, one of Tesla’s biggest individual investors, tweeted yesterday, “Tesla needs and deserves to have working full-time C.E.O.”
Meanwhile, Musk has been busy suspending more accounts at Twitter. Most notable among them was @ElonJet, the brainchild of Jack Sweeney, a 20-year-old college student who drew on public data to track Musk’s private jet.
The move marks a shift in Musk’s approach to Sweeney, after the billionaire — a self-proclaimed free speech absolutist — initially pledged not to suspend the @ElonJets account. (Yesterday, Musk said he would take “legal action” against Sweeney.)
As The Times notes, Twitter justified suspending the accounts based on a change in its rules that appears to have been implemented only within the last 24 hours.
And this, from Seeking Alpha:
"No further TSLA sales planned after today," Elon Musk tweeted on April 28, implying that was the last financing needed to take over Twitter. The billionaire made a similar pledge in August, as he offloaded another 7.9M shares worth around $6.9B, saying it was "important to avoid an emergency sale of Tesla stock in the (hopefully unlikely) event that Twitter forces this deal to close and some equity partners don't come through." Well, the deal closed in October, but Musk sold another $4B worth of shares anyway (in November), and he continues to sell by the billions.
"I will make sure Tesla shareholders benefit from Twitter long-term," Musk tweeted overnight following his latest stock sale, but criticism continues to grow about his guarantees and assurances. "My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk," Musk promised a month ago, only to pull the plug on the account on Wednesday as Twitter updated its Private Information policy. Don't forget that at the end of 2021, Musk cashed out 15.8M of Tesla shares, worth about $16B, to help pay a reported $11B tax bill after polling his followers.
Why so many people would continue to loyally follow and defend an obviously me-first person who lies to them over and over and over again is beyond me.
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The problem that Elon is having now is that no one believes what he says anymore. And they shouldn't.
He changes tack so quickly and frequently. Would you invest in a guy who can't keep his fingers off his twitter account nonstop? I won't.
Elon needs to do some self reflection and self help. Otherwise, things are going to probably get much worse.
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From the Washington Post:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/14/qanon-musk-revival-twitter/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F389295f%2F639b5459ef9bf67b2320c814%2F5f8d147cae7e8a56e5b732a4%2F31%2F70%2F639b5459ef9bf67b2320c814&wp_cu=b1005792a416de1fbe1f17e5cf366b7d%7CB1FF71CA724A36FAE0530100007F88D6
Twitter owner Elon Musk’s boosting of far-right memes and grievances has injected new energy into the jumbled set of conspiracy theories known as QAnon, a fringe movement that Twitter and other social networks once banned as too extreme.
The billionaire has spread bogus theories about the violent attack on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband to his 120 million followers, and he called for the criminal prosecution of infectious-disease expert Anthony S. Fauci. He has thrown around baseless accusations about adults sexualizing children, helping stir up an angry online mob against Yoel Roth, a former Twitter safety executive Musk praised in October for his “high integrity.”
And on Tuesday, he tweeted a message with an emoji that many people interpreted as saying “follow the white rabbit,” possibly harking back to “Alice in Wonderland” or “The Matrix.” But many QAnon believers saw the rabbit as a wink to one of their foundational icons, a secret indicator shared in one of QAnon’s earliest online prophesies, known as “drops.”
Musk mocked the suggestion that the tweet could be interpreted negatively but offered no clarification. Among QAnon promoters, though, the message was clear: Musk was speaking to them.
One QAnon-amplifying account on Telegram with 118,000 followers, known for spreading a bogus claim that Russian fighters were targeting “U.S. biolabs” in Ukraine, said the tweet was only his latest flirtation with QAnon ideology.
“Elon called out Fauci for creating [covid-19], [is] calling out the woke hive mind, is paving the path for 2020 to be nullified and Trump reinstated … and now he’s directly quoting Q,” the account said. “Elon is an Anon,” the account added, using the term QAnon disciples call themselves.
Logan Strain, a conspiracy theory researcher who uses the name Travis View on the podcast “QAnon Anonymous,” said Musk’s “conspiracist dog whistles” have galvanized a group that was fractured after 2020, when major social networks including Twitter started banning QAnon accounts and Trump lost the White House.
“He’s responding to and validating a rogues’ gallery of right-wing conspiracists … [and] going through a checklist of far-right grievances in a way that has certainly energized them,” Strain said. For QAnon believers, “what they view as a major battlefield in the information war just opened up again.”
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Early in this thread, I called out Musk as a right-wing authoritarian.
Now we are nearing the point where he is going to need China and the Saudis to help monetize Twitter.
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Early in this thread, I called out Musk as a right-wing authoritarian.
Now we are nearing the point where he is going to need China and the Saudis to help monetize Twitter.
You are a regular Quasimodo.
<insert classic Sopranos dialgoue here>
Jockey is playing Bobby Bacala in this scene.
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You are a regular Quasimodo.
<insert classic Sopranos dialgoue here>
Jockey is playing Bobby Bacala in this scene.
Got your trump cards yet?
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Got your trump cards yet?
He's your obsession. I've moved on.
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Weird coincidence all these reporters getting suspended.
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1603551884748460034?s=46&t=riNM0K6LCrWIIU2d5_wEIw
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Free speech!
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So, what's the word on Mastodon?
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The ultra thin skinned one strikes!
To be clear, Musk can moderate his private platform however he wants. And to the side that is cheering him now, the hypocrisy (to the extent they even recognize it) is a feature, not a bug.
It took 10 years for Twitter to build into what it became, but Musk is doing his best to MySpace it in 6 months.
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At least we can all agree Olbermann deserved to be suspended, if only for being a complete all encompassing asshat who might enjoy sniffing his own farts even more than Musk
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At least we can all agree Olbermann deserved to be suspended, if only for being a complete all encompassing asshat who might enjoy sniffing his own farts even more than Musk
I didn't see what he did, but this is still true in general.
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At least we can all agree Olbermann deserved to be suspended, if only for being a complete all encompassing asshat who might enjoy sniffing his own farts even more than Musk
Except that Olbermann will agree with you that he is an asshat and egomaniac. Musk has encased himself in such a bro bubble that he's lost all such self-awareness.
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Except that Olbermann will agree with you that he is an asshat and egomaniac. Musk has encased himself in such a bro bubble that he's lost all such self-awareness.
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The mods here suspend posters. In the case of twitter, just more character being revealed.
I wrote last April that I did not think that Musk and twitter was going to be a long term relationship and that if it was, I expected a new platform to emerge to replace it.
The advertisers have fled and it is burning money.
I remember the few posters who wrote the letter to the mods and went off to form their own board.
Sometimes, scoop is just society writ small.
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The mods here suspend posters. In the case of twitter, just more character being revealed.
I wrote last April that I did not think that Musk and twitter was going to be a long term relationship and that if it was, I expected a new platform to emerge to replace it.
The advertisers have fled and it is burning money.
I remember the few posters who wrote the letter to the mods and went off to form their own board.
Sometimes, scoop is just society writ small.
I posted mostly on that new board the last two weeks. It was a delight
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I am sure you were respectful.
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What a thin skinned ❄️
https://twitter.com/forevereversley/status/1603612770892918784?s=46&t=uvIs86FOiUMhVZhOCZfWCQ
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Elon keeps telling us who he is. Believe him.
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What a thin skinned ❄️
https://twitter.com/forevereversley/status/1603612770892918784?s=46&t=uvIs86FOiUMhVZhOCZfWCQ
He’s as tough as 45. Real men’s men
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From the Washington Post:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/14/qanon-musk-revival-twitter/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F389295f%2F639b5459ef9bf67b2320c814%2F5f8d147cae7e8a56e5b732a4%2F31%2F70%2F639b5459ef9bf67b2320c814&wp_cu=b1005792a416de1fbe1f17e5cf366b7d%7CB1FF71CA724A36FAE0530100007F88D6
Twitter owner Elon Musk’s boosting of far-right memes and grievances has injected new energy into the jumbled set of conspiracy theories known as QAnon, a fringe movement that Twitter and other social networks once banned as too extreme.
The billionaire has spread bogus theories about the violent attack on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband to his 120 million followers, and he called for the criminal prosecution of infectious-disease expert Anthony S. Fauci. He has thrown around baseless accusations about adults sexualizing children, helping stir up an angry online mob against Yoel Roth, a former Twitter safety executive Musk praised in October for his “high integrity.”
And on Tuesday, he tweeted a message with an emoji that many people interpreted as saying “follow the white rabbit,” possibly harking back to “Alice in Wonderland” or “The Matrix.” But many QAnon believers saw the rabbit as a wink to one of their foundational icons, a secret indicator shared in one of QAnon’s earliest online prophesies, known as “drops.”
Musk mocked the suggestion that the tweet could be interpreted negatively but offered no clarification. Among QAnon promoters, though, the message was clear: Musk was speaking to them.
One QAnon-amplifying account on Telegram with 118,000 followers, known for spreading a bogus claim that Russian fighters were targeting “U.S. biolabs” in Ukraine, said the tweet was only his latest flirtation with QAnon ideology.
“Elon called out Fauci for creating [covid-19], [is] calling out the woke hive mind, is paving the path for 2020 to be nullified and Trump reinstated … and now he’s directly quoting Q,” the account said. “Elon is an Anon,” the account added, using the term QAnon disciples call themselves.
Logan Strain, a conspiracy theory researcher who uses the name Travis View on the podcast “QAnon Anonymous,” said Musk’s “conspiracist dog whistles” have galvanized a group that was fractured after 2020, when major social networks including Twitter started banning QAnon accounts and Trump lost the White House.
“He’s responding to and validating a rogues’ gallery of right-wing conspiracists … [and] going through a checklist of far-right grievances in a way that has certainly energized them,” Strain said. For QAnon believers, “what they view as a major battlefield in the information war just opened up again.”
The Tin Foil Hat Brigade from the Washington Post has weighed in. Getting coded messages from white rabbits and all.
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The Tin Foil Hat Brigade from the Washington Post has weighed in. Getting coded messages from white rabbits and all.
Please point out the errors in that article. Thanks.
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Please point out the errors in that article. Thanks.
People have been getting kicked off of Twitter for years, without recourse, and in many cases only because of their political points of view. And the Left either denied it was happening or applauded it as absolutely necessary for the public good.
But now there's a new Sheriff in town, hell bent on restoring some çredibility and balance to the medium, and the wailing from the Left is deafening.
Get used to it.
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People have been getting kicked off of Twitter for years, without recourse, and in many cases only because of their political points of view.
Specific examples, please, including the "political" posts that got them banned.
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People have been getting kicked off of Twitter for years, without recourse, and in many cases only because of their political points of view. And the Left either denied it was happening or applauded it as absolutely necessary for the public good.
But now there's a new Sheriff in town, hell bent on restoring some çredibility and balance to the medium, and the wailing from the Left is deafening.
Get used to it.
As soon as the new Sheriff stops canceling people who disagree with him, I'll take his sheriffing -- and his credibility and balance -- seriously.
But enjoy your new cult leader; you needed one to replace the deranged Mr. NFT Trading Cards.
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People have been getting kicked off of Twitter for years, without recourse, and in many cases only because of their political points of view. And the Left either denied it was happening or applauded it as absolutely necessary for the public good.
But now there's a new Sheriff in town, hell bent on restoring some çredibility and balance to the medium, and the wailing from the Left is deafening.
Get used to it.
Sure.
Dude owns the platform, he's free to curate it however he likes. We're free to point out how hysterically hypocritical all the "free speech absolutist" nonsense was. It's incredible how much good will and money he's torched in the desperate attempt to be seen as funny and cool online.
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People have been getting kicked off of Twitter for years, without recourse, and in many cases only because of their political points of view. And the Left either denied it was happening or applauded it as absolutely necessary for the public good.
But now there's a new Sheriff in town, hell bent on restoring some çredibility and balance to the medium, and the wailing from the Left is deafening.
Get used to it.
If by "political points of view" you mean breaking Twitter's ToS by posting disinformation, threats, and hate speech, sure.
But as I said, hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug to those cheering him.
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He makes decisions based on polling those who follow -- most of whom worship -- him.
That's real good CEOing right there.
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As soon as the new Sheriff stops canceling people who disagree with him, I'll take his sheriffing -- and his credibility and balance -- seriously.
But enjoy your new cult leader; you needed one to replace the deranged Mr. NFT Trading Cards.
Canceling people???? That's f-ing rich. Conservatives have been "cancelled" en masse for years and the Left has stood by and cheered. You guys don't seem to handle turnabout real well. I believe old timers used to call it " the shoe being on the other foot."
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If by "political points of view" you mean breaking Twitter's ToS by posting disinformation, threats, and hate speech, sure.
But as I said, hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug to those cheering him.
Well, to some, those are political points of view. Wonder why those violations disproportionately fell on some rather than others?
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People have been getting kicked off of Twitter for years, without recourse, and in many cases only because of their political points of view. And the Left either denied it was happening or applauded it as absolutely necessary for the public good.
But now there's a new Sheriff in town, hell bent on restoring some çredibility and balance to the medium, and the wailing from the Left is deafening.
Get used to it.
1. The bolded is false
2. I have always asserted that Twitter as a private company can do what it wants. Twitter has no responsibility to "restore balance." Elon owns it. He can kick off whomever he wants for whatever reason he wants.
3. You are sounding pretty hypocritical right now.
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3. You are sounding pretty hypocritical right now.
Feature, not a bug.
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Cancel culture is the biggest myth out there. There is no cancel culture. There is a group of people deciding you are the A-hole and that they are done listening to you. That is it. Cancel culture is no more than a subset of humanity deciding someone is an A-hole. Some people who have spent their entire adult lives without pushback for their hot takes are suddenly deeply wounded to find that they are thought of as the A-hole.
This isn't some new phenomenon. Like anti-vaxxing Karens, it seems like more than it used to be because the internet tends to magnifies opinion. But there have always been Birchers anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists. Just as there as always been people who decide they are done listening to the A-hole du jour.
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It is Elon's sandbox now. And he can decide exactly how he wants to burn through his money. Right now, he is Matt Patricia pumping out New Coke.
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Cancel culture is the biggest myth out there. There is no cancel culture. There is a group of people deciding you are the A-hole and that they are done listening to you. That is it. Cancel culture is no more than a subset of humanity deciding someone is an A-hole. Some people who have spent their entire adult lives without pushback for their hot takes are suddenly deeply wounded to find that they are thought of as the A-hole.
This isn't some new phenomenon. Like anti-vaxxing Karens, it seems like more than it used to be because the internet tends to magnifies opinion. But there have always been Birchers anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists. Just as there as always been people who decide they are done listening to the A-hole du jour.
Nailed it, tower.
It's worth noting that some of the biggest purveyors of the cancel culture myth are among the least canceled people on the planet. One of them gets almost $100 million a year to do a podcast. Another has had a weekly megaphone courtesy of HBO for more than two decades.
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Canceling people???? That's f-ing rich. Conservatives Liars, racists and conspiracy theorists have been "cancelled"
FIFY
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Cancel culture is the biggest myth out there. There is no cancel culture. There is a group of people deciding you are the A-hole and that they are done listening to you. That is it. Cancel culture is no more than a subset of humanity deciding someone is an A-hole. Some people who have spent their entire adult lives without pushback for their hot takes are suddenly deeply wounded to find that they are thought of as the A-hole.
This isn't some new phenomenon. Like anti-vaxxing Karens, it seems like more than it used to be because the internet tends to magnifies opinion. But there have always been Birchers anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists. Just as there as always been people who decide they are done listening to the A-hole du jour.
I've always thought of "cancel culture" as capitalism in it's purest form. Someone puts out a product (their opinion). Consumers decide they don't like that product and communicate that that to the seller by voicing their opinions and taking their dollars elsewhere. The seller has the choice to keep pushing their product or to change it based on consumer feedback.
Also, Freedom Fries
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One more thing about the imaginary Cancel Culture. Part of free speech is everybody has that right. Part of that right is for people to disagree with you loudly and passionately. And calling you the A-hole for your hot takes. Too many people think that free speech means that you can say what you want and be consequence free. That has never been the case. The "I've been cancelled" mewling means a hot take has met resistance and is not winning in the marketplace of ideas.
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“Cancel culture” 😂😂😂
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I've always thought of "cancel culture" as capitalism in it's purest form. Someone puts out a product (their opinion). Consumers decide they don't like that product and communicate that that to the seller by voicing their opinions and taking their dollars elsewhere. The seller has the choice to keep pushing their product or to change it based on consumer feedback.
Also, Freedom Fries
I think someone uses the term “cancel culture” when they feel that another person or entity has been unfairly ganged up on and ostracized based primarily on rumors, lies, or missing pieces to the story. “Unfairly” can also include things like bringing up someone’s inappropriate social media posts randomly from many years ago for no other reason than to get vengeance. Many times it’s taken way out of context. For example, that happened to Josh Hader recently.
Also, even if the person in question should be rightly ostracized, the “mob” usually doesn’t stop there and friends, family, and coworkers are often harassed and threatened in the process.
I think that’s at least what the term should mean. It shouldn’t mean that people should be free to say whatever they want with no accountability, which is what most here seem to be focused on.
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I think someone uses the term “cancel culture” when they feel that another person or entity has been unfairly ganged up on and ostracized based primarily on rumors, lies, or missing pieces to the story. “Unfairly” can also include things like bringing up someone’s inappropriate social media posts randomly from many years ago for no other reason than to get vengeance. Many times it’s taken way out of context. For example, that happened to Josh Hader recently.
Also, even if the person in question should be rightly ostracized, the “mob” usually doesn’t stop there and friends, family, and coworkers are often harassed and threatened in the process.
I think that’s at least what the term should mean. It shouldn’t mean that people should be free to say whatever they want with no accountability, which is what most here seem to be focused on.
It's just a pejorative for boycotts, and the term stuck because it got a rise out of dummies and furthered the culture war. There was never a "boycott culture" pejorative, even when we thought the boycott was over a silly reason.
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It's just a pejorative for boycotts, and the term stuck because it got a rise out of dummies and furthered the culture war. There was never a "boycott culture" pejorative, even when we thought the boycott was over a silly reason.
Nike has never recovered after the Kaepernick debacle
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Canceling people???? That's f-ing rich. Conservatives have been "cancelled" en masse for years and the Left has stood by and cheered. You guys don't seem to handle turnabout real well. I believe old timers used to call it " the shoe being on the other foot."
come on richard, you know they are NOW all so very concerned about "disinformation" flooding the networks. all the russian shenanigans, the big guy, the big guy and the smartest guy he knows, wuhan, etc and all that malarkey
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(https://i.imgur.com/DJkWzaP.gif?noredirect)
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come on richard, you know they are NOW all so very concerned about "disinformation" flooding the networks. all the russian shenanigans, the big guy, the big guy and the smartest guy he knows, wuhan, etc and all that malarkey
Yes, those are some of the many examples of the right-wing disinformation that Twitter was concerned about flooding the network. Do you have some sort of point?
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come on richard, you know they are NOW all so very concerned about "disinformation" flooding the networks. all the russian shenanigans, the big guy, the big guy and the smartest guy he knows, wuhan, etc and all that malarkey
come on roQQet, you forgot child-eating sex rings, jewish space lasers, actors subbing for sandy hook kids, rigged elections, the wonders of horse de-wormer and all that stuff
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come on richard, you know they are NOW all so very concerned about "disinformation" flooding the networks. all the russian shenanigans, the big guy, the big guy and the smartest guy he knows, wuhan, etc and all that malarkey
7 out of 10. The lack of ellipses is concerning.
Probably won’t make it onto any dental school literature
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Cancelled like this guy?
https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-trust-safety-yoel-roth-fled-home-elon-musk-report-2022-12#:~:text=Stepped%2Dup%20threats%20of%20violence,with%20personal%20attacks%20from%20Musk.
Where does doxxing fellow scoopers fall on the cancel culture spectrum?
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Cancelled like this guy?
https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-trust-safety-yoel-roth-fled-home-elon-musk-report-2022-12#:~:text=Stepped%2Dup%20threats%20of%20violence,with%20personal%20attacks%20from%20Musk.
Where does doxxing fellow scoopers fall on the cancel culture spectrum?
That’s different
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People have been getting kicked off of Twitter for years, without recourse, and in many cases only because of their political points of view. And the Left either denied it was happening or applauded it as absolutely necessary for the public good.
But now there's a new Sheriff in town, hell bent on restoring some çredibility and balance to the medium, and the wailing from the Left is deafening.
Get used to it.
Fantasyworld. White Nationalism, Racism, Transphobia, etc are not political views. They're hate speech and were against the established TOS.
If they sheriff continues to run his town like this, he will find that he's made a $44 billion dollar error because it'll be a ghost town.
The next thing you're going to tell me is that the UN is a 'lefty' organization.
Get a grip.
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Cancel culture is the biggest myth out there. There is no cancel culture. There is a group of people deciding you are the A-hole and that they are done listening to you. That is it. Cancel culture is no more than a subset of humanity deciding someone is an A-hole. Some people who have spent their entire adult lives without pushback for their hot takes are suddenly deeply wounded to find that they are thought of as the A-hole.
This isn't some new phenomenon. Like anti-vaxxing Karens, it seems like more than it used to be because the internet tends to magnifies opinion. But there have always been Birchers anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists. Just as there as always been people who decide they are done listening to the A-hole du jour.
preach
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I think someone uses the term “cancel culture” when they feel that another person or entity has been unfairly ganged up on and ostracized based primarily on rumors, lies, or missing pieces to the story. “Unfairly” can also include things like bringing up someone’s inappropriate social media posts randomly from many years ago for no other reason than to get vengeance. Many times it’s taken way out of context. For example, that happened to Josh Hader recently.
Also, even if the person in question should be rightly ostracized, the “mob” usually doesn’t stop there and friends, family, and coworkers are often harassed and threatened in the process.
I think that’s at least what the term should mean. It shouldn’t mean that people should be free to say whatever they want with no accountability, which is what most here seem to be focused on.
Oh, Josh Hader's comments were taken in context. But he easily could have said, "that was a long time ago and I've grown as a person and no longer think that way". Which is basically what he did. And he wasn't cancelled! Holy crap!
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Oh, Josh Hader's comments were taken in context. But he easily could have said, "that was a long time ago and I've grown as a person and no longer think that way". Which is basically what he did. And he wasn't cancelled! Holy crap!
I don’t disagree. I didn’t state it well and meant to separate “things taken out of context” as a separate issue from Hader-like situations.
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Fantasyworld. White Nationalism, Racism, Transphobia, etc are not political views. They're hate speech and were against the established TOS.
If they sheriff continues to run his town like this, he will find that he's made a $44 billion dollar error because it'll be a ghost town.
The next thing you're going to tell me is that the UN is a 'lefty' organization.
Get a grip.
Then why all the whining. If you and the other journos don't like it, don't use the site. He bought it, he can do what he wants with it.
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I’m here for Twitter 4.0
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Then why all the whining. If you and the other journos don't like it, don't use the site. He bought it, he can do what he wants with it.
No one is stating otherwise.
And no one is whining.
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He bought it, he can do what he wants with it.
Yes, he is free to be a hypocrite and to promote QAnon nonsense. And you are free to pretend he's doing something for the greater good. Nobody has said otherwise.
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I think the most enduring lesson here will be that until further notice, no social media platform is sufficiently endurant or of sufficient social value to legitimately implicate any free speech or first amendment conversation. I know that I and most here didn't think there was a real first amendment issue with "cancelling" folks on Twitter, so I don't want to create a straw man. But the issue was generally perceived to be evolving into a close enough call that the discussion was meaningful. Watching Elon drive Twitter into the ditch serves as a valuable lesson about how tenuous a single platform's hold on discourse really is.
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No one is stating otherwise.
And no one is whining.
The journalists who got banned yesterday aren't doing any whining? Are you actually serious?
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The journalists who got banned yesterday aren't doing any whining? Are you actually serious?
You quoted Hards and said "you." Sorry for thinking that...you know...you meant him. ::)
I have no idea what the journalists are doing or saying.
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I think the most enduring lesson here will be that until further notice, no social media platform is sufficiently endurant or of sufficient social value to legitimately implicate any free speech or first amendment conversation.
Somewhere along the line, the concept of free speech on social media was extended to “free reach” as well. The reach is what has everyone up in arms, not the speech itself. A social media platform has the obligation to allow people to express themselves (which they do), but they don’t have the obligation to show that to anyone else that doesn’t ask (search) for it. I’m confident in saying that reach is and has been heavily biased on Twitter, but it all sort of ends up back to the point that they can really do whatever they want in that regard in order to be a profitable business.
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The journalists who got banned yesterday aren't doing any whining? Are you actually serious?
Source?
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Somewhere along the line, the concept of free speech on social media was extended to “free reach” as well. The reach is what has everyone up in arms, not the speech itself. A social media platform has the obligation to allow people to express themselves (which they do), but they don’t have the obligation to show that to anyone else that doesn’t ask (search) for it. I’m confident in saying that reach is and has been heavily biased on Twitter, but it all sort of ends up back to the point that they can really do whatever they want in that regard in order to be a profitable business.
Why does a social media platform have an obligation to allow people to express themselves?
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Somewhere along the line, the concept of free speech on social media was extended to “free reach” as well. The reach is what has everyone up in arms, not the speech itself. A social media platform has the obligation to allow people to express themselves (which they do), but they don’t have the obligation to show that to anyone else that doesn’t ask (search) for it. I’m confident in saying that reach is and has been heavily biased on Twitter, but it all sort of ends up back to the point that they can really do whatever they want in that regard in order to be a profitable business.
On the bolded... What kind of "obligation" do social media platforms have to allow people to express themselves? Certainly not legal. And I would argue not ethical or moral either.
Perhaps they have a contractual obligation to uphold their terms of service, but those are usually very broadly written and give any benefit of the doubt to the company.
I think the whole freedom of speech v. freedom of reach thing is just parsing words. The owners of a private company, social media or otherwise, can set the rules in which it operates. As long as those rules don't conflict with the law, and it is clear in this case they they do not, then...well...that's life.
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Why does a social media platform have an obligation to allow people to express themselves?
I think it’s just implied of any US based social media platform that has hundreds of millions of users and offers a general scope of potential communities and discourse to offer that much. I think if a user posts about their religion, they would not expect to be banned for it on such a platform. The same shouldn’t be expected or smaller niche communities (MUScoop) where the allowable discourse is much more limited.
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“Cancel culture,” is just a new term for accountability. It has often been used by people who aren’t getting their way while often targeting marginalized people for their support. Repeat a word or phrase over and over in a negative tone to muddy the waters. “Woke” is one of these terms. I suppose it was easier to say over and over than “aware”. They are so aware vs saying they are so woke. The target audience often doesn’t have the deepest attention span, so buzz words and phrases it is.
“Free Speech for me, but no free speech for thee,” applies to the same group of people about a wide variety of topics. Just insert a different name or title or topic. This is for me but not for thee, with the goal often being power and money.
Free speech is of course not freedom of consequences. And consequences can come in a variety of ways too.
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I think it’s just implied of any US based social media platform that has hundreds of millions of users and offers a general scope of potential communities and discourse to offer that much. I think if a user posts about their religion, they would not expect to be banned for it on such a platform. The same shouldn’t be expected or smaller niche communities (MUScoop) where the allowable discourse is much more limited.
What your describing is an expectation. Not an obligation where someone is legally or morally bound to action.
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Hard to tell if FBI was working for/with Twitter or Twitter working for/with FBI? Having lunch together on regular basis?? Elon wasn’t kidding when he said he was buying a crime scene
Gee, makes ya wonder if the same was going on with Facebook, Google, et. al.?? Umm nope, not wondering much anymore.
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Winning like Charlie Sheen!
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Source?
Turn on any cable news channel and watch for 5 minutes. CNN.MSNBC. There's your source for the whining journalists.
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Elon is running his private country on whatever whim he decides. Fine.
But don't try to paint yourself as some free speech champion
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Hard to tell if FBI was working for/with Twitter or Twitter working for/with FBI? Having lunch together on regular basis?? Elon wasn’t kidding when he said he was buying a crime scene
Gee, makes ya wonder if the same was going on with Facebook, Google, et. al.?? Umm nope, not wondering much anymore.
🙄🙄🙄
You are so dim.
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Turn on any cable news channel and watch for 5 minutes. CNN.MSNBC. There's your source for the whining journalists.
Ick. Why would I watch either of those?
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Hard to tell if FBI was working for/with Twitter or Twitter working for/with FBI? Having lunch together on regular basis?? Elon wasn’t kidding when he said he was buying a crime scene
Gee, makes ya wonder if the same was going on with Facebook, Google, et. al.?? Umm nope, not wondering much anymore.
Why was Trump having his FBI meet with Twitter?
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Turn on any cable news channel and watch for 5 minutes. CNN.MSNBC. There's your source for the whining journalists.
Lol
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Hard to tell if FBI was working for/with Twitter or Twitter working for/with FBI? Having lunch together on regular basis?? Elon wasn’t kidding when he said he was buying a crime scene
Gee, makes ya wonder if the same was going on with Facebook, Google, et. al.?? Umm nope, not wondering much anymore.
It’s a vast conspiracy against republicans perpetrated by all media companies in America and all of corporate America. It’s incredible, really. It goes all the way to the Vatican and the Rothschilds.
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Turn on any cable news channel and watch for 5 minutes. CNN.MSNBC. There's your source for the whining journalists.
So, no source.
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Ick. Why would I watch either of those?
Because people like Dick here, who rabidly watch Fox News think that everyone else who doesn't watches CNN or MSNBC.
They're that stupid.
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It’s a vast conspiracy against republicans perpetrated by all media companies in America and all of corporate America. It’s incredible, really. It goes all the way to the Vatican and the Rothschilds.
nice try reeko, but it's really a crime against the american people. maybe even you included. if we had any honesty left in our world, this is all wrong regardless of who it affected.
source-twitter file part 6 matt taibbi. no you won't see anything on any your "media" sources.
if you've got the comprehension skills, try fox news, uk daily mail and ny post...what a surprise. just hold your nose and watch or read for 5 minutes as that's way more than your sources will show...gasp!
or just google matt taibbi-they might bring it up on page 6 or 7 in their index but even google can't ignore
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Free speech! Mollusk style:
John Scott-Railton
@jsrailton
BREAKING: Journalist Linette Lopez is suspended.
She has reported for years about Elon's dubious business practices at Tesla.
Her sources have previously been targeted by private spies hired by Musk.
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nice try reeko, but it's really a crime against the american people. maybe even you included. if we had any honesty left in our world, this is all wrong regardless of who it affected.
source-twitter file part 6 matt taibbi. no you won't see anything on any your "media" sources.
if you've got the comprehension skills, try fox news, uk daily mail and ny post...what a surprise. just hold your nose and watch or read for 5 minutes as that's way more than your sources will show...gasp!
or just google matt taibbi-they might bring it up on page 6 or 7 in their index but even google can't ignore
You are one of the dumbest people that has ever used the Internet
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Because people like Dick here, who rabidly watch Fox News think that everyone else who doesn't watches CNN or MSNBC.
They're that stupid.
you realize fox news is the #1 most watched cable news channel, right? what are you afraid of? you might even wise up a little...ooof, that's a reach
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nice try reeko, but it's really a crime against the american people. maybe even you included.
😂😂😂 No it isn’t.
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You are one of the dumbest people that has ever used the Internet
would that be considered an ad hominem attack? coming from you, that's a compliment
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would that be considered an ad hominem attack? coming from you, that's a compliment
Sorry, I’ve been taking Ivermectin
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nice try reeko, but it's really a crime against the american people. maybe even you included. if we had any honesty left in our world, this is all wrong regardless of who it affected.
source-twitter file part 6 matt taibbi. no you won't see anything on any your "media" sources.
if you've got the comprehension skills, try fox news, uk daily mail and ny post...what a surprise. just hold your nose and watch or read for 5 minutes as that's way more than your sources will show...gasp!
or just google matt taibbi-they might bring it up on page 6 or 7 in their index but even google can't ignore
The internet doesn't have enough facepalm gifs for this
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😂😂😂 No it isn’t.
you're good with the FBI monitoring exchanges on a private social media company's pages and dictating what is acceptable? is that a prerequisite for guidance counselors at state universities? what other indoctrination clauses do you have in that little red handbook of yours
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you're good with the FBI monitoring exchanges on a private social media company's pages and dictating what is acceptable? is that a prerequisite for guidance counselors at state universities? what other indoctrination clauses do you have in that little red handbook of yours
Why was Trump's FBI doing this?
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you're good with the FBI monitoring exchanges on a private social media company's pages and dictating what is acceptable? is that a prerequisite for guidance counselors at state universities? what other indoctrination clauses do you have in that little red handbook of yours
Trump’s FBI. Trump’s appointed FBI head. Lock him up
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The internet doesn't have enough facepalm gifs for this
all you guys do is attack the messenger waiting for your buddies to do the same but you can't argue the points-classic
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all you guys do is attack the messenger waiting for your buddies to do the same but you can't argue the points-classic
Take some hydroxy
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all you guys do is attack the messenger waiting for your buddies to do the same but you can't argue the points-classic
It's hard to argue with someone that doesn't live in reality.
Why was Trump's FBI meeting with Twitter?
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you're good with the FBI monitoring exchanges on a private social media company's pages and dictating what is acceptable?
Of course not. But that’s not even close to what happened.
is that a prerequisite for guidance counselors at state universities? what other indoctrination clauses do you have in that little red handbook of yours
Wtf are you even talking about?
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It's hard to argue with someone that doesn't live in reality.
Why was Trump's FBI meeting with Twitter?
Wonder if he will ever answer?
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Wonder if he will ever answer?
He can only regurgitate what he heard on Fox. Move outside of his programming and he is flummoxed. Logical inconsistencies aren't a thing in his universe.
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It's hard to argue with someone that doesn't live in reality.
Why was Trump's FBI meeting with Twitter?
..duh the “big guy” was setting him up by making these “fBI” guys deep state years ago when hunters laptop had his junk on it and he used Twitter to hide it so msndnc couldnt report on it BECUZ of the fake news
IMO trump was setup by “red books”… you know the ones mao gave to China JOE in 76 when he ate ice cream looking while working for Ukraine’s energy firm that was backed by the clinton foundation that Elon proofed was reel when he buyed the tweety
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you realize fox news is the #1 most watched cable news channel, right? what are you afraid of? you might even wise up a little...ooof, that's a reach
There are a lot of suckers in the u.s.
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There are a lot of suckers in the u.s.
STUDY: Watching Only Fox News Makes You Less Informed Than Watching No News At All
https://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5
"They found that someone who watched only Fox News would be expected to answer 1.04 domestic questions correctly compared to 1.22 for those who watched no news at all. Those watching only "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart" answered 1.42 questions correctly and people who only listened to NPR or only watched Sunday morning political talk shows answered 1.51 questions correctly."
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It's hard to argue with someone that doesn't live in reality.
Why was Trump's FBI meeting with Twitter?
dittos on the arguments d!khed
as for trump's FBI ? that's a good one...it was NEVER trump's FBI. it's been #44's all along and before #45 could clean out the stench, it just morphed into ice cream breath's FBI almost according to plan except #45 was supposed to be cankles
oh, and what ever goose says
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dittos on the arguments d!khed
as for trump's FBI ? that's a good one...it was NEVER trump's FBI. it's been #44's all along and before #45 could clean out the stench, it just morphed into ice cream breath's FBI almost according to plan except #45 was supposed to be cankles
oh, and what ever goose says
Every time you post, Marquette’s endowment lessens
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On June 7, 2017, President Donald Trump announced his intention to nominate Wray to be the next Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, replacing James Comey, who was dismissed by Trump on May 9, 2017. Trump interviewed Wray for the vacant FBI Director job on May 30, 2017, according to then Press Secretary Sean Spicer. Wray's Senate confirmation hearing commenced on July 12, 2017.
Anyone know who controlled the senate in July of 2017? Probably 44 and 46
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dittos on the arguments d!khed
as for trump's FBI ? that's a good one...it was NEVER trump's FBI. it's been #44's all along and before #45 could clean out the stench, it just morphed into ice cream breath's FBI almost according to plan except #45 was supposed to be cankles
Or maybe your guy was just a bad dude who inspired even worse dudes.
But you don’t have the self-realization to come to that conclusion. Just like you never came to the conclusion that horse paste wasn’t a Covid cure.
You are easily manipulated.
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many shook their heads when he nominated wray including me. i believe he (trump) was so overwhelmed with all the other b.s. he was contending with that by nominating wray was his way to try to play nice and move on
if you think your personal attacks are funny or effective? at least try to come up with something original, but getting real old geeko.
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many shook their heads when he nominated wray including me. i believe he (trump) was so overwhelmed with all the other b.s. he was contending with that by nominating wray was his way to try to play nice and move on
if you think your personal attacks are funny or effective? at least try to come up with something original, but getting real old geeko.
This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on scoop but the day is early
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dittos on the arguments d!khed
as for trump's FBI ? that's a good one...it was NEVER trump's FBI. it's been #44's all along and before #45 could clean out the stench, it just morphed into ice cream breath's FBI almost according to plan except #45 was supposed to be cankles
oh, and what ever goose says
See guys? Trump never existed. Went right from Obummer to the big guy. Dems controlled all three houses since 2009. Deep state enyaa'eenha'huh.
Again, it's impossible to have a discussion with someone completed disconnected from objective reality.
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many shook their heads when he nominated wray including me. i believe he (trump) was so overwhelmed with all the other b.s. he was contending with that by nominating wray was his way to try to play nice and move on
If there are two things Trump is known for, it's playing nice and moving on.
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If there are two things Trump is known for, it's playing nice and moving on.
Terrible leaders choose terrible people for important positions
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Terrible leaders choose terrible people for important positions
"I hire only the best people."
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This is unverified, but Business Insider is reporting that Musk is trying to raise additional capital by offering investors to buy in at a $54.20/share valuation.
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I'm just gonna' go ahead an lock this. And if Herman creates a 4.0+, I'll lock that too. Feel free to discuss twitter on twittter. Or ignore it completely (recommended).