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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: WarriorDoc on December 22, 2011, 11:11:25 PM
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I just read on the UWM forums that, in summary, the only school who has their heads up their own asses more than Marquette is Notre Dame.
That got me thinking. We all love Marquette and think it's a great school with great athletics. But what does the actual general public think?
We have things going for us and against us. We're consistently in the top 80 nationally in the US News Rankings. We have a solid alumni base in the Milwaukee and Chicago area, and a decent one nationally. We have a great basketball program. Yet, many people still ask where Marquette is. They know the school only because of Wade. And let's face it, in terms of Catholic universities we are consistently shoved aside for Georgetown, Boston College, Notre Dame, and a few others.
So, what is our actual national perception? For an incoming freshman applicant, what would they think of when they think Marquette? The place where the ND rejects go, or the most up-and-coming Cathoic U?
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I can answer from my own personal experience. Since I attended MU, I have lived in the Southeast, East, Southwest and Midwest. In all those areas, mentioning MU brought positive reactions. Yes, some thought it was in the UP of Michigan. Most, though, knew where it was.
I think, outside of the communist fringe who call themselves badger fans, MU is positively viewed. I may add to UWM's perception of MU fans, but I don't really care what they think. To me, UWM is still a large commuter school with no real identity.
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Positive view as a very good...but not great...academic school.
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When I say that I went to Marquette the most standard answers are, "That's a good school" and/or "They have a good basketball program up there" and/or something about Dwyane Wade. As MUMac said, there are quite a few people who think it's in Michigan but my overall impression is that the national perception of Marquette is that it's a good school with a good basketball team that Dwyane Wade once played for. That's about it.
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Middle of the road school that is not on the radar screen of most folks, especially non-Catholics.
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College basketball fans think positively of Marquette. A lot of people have never heard of it.
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Middle of the road school that is not on the radar screen of most folks, especially non-Catholics.
You're so predictable.
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people I run into still remember AL. I got to find a younger crowd.
Mostly I find a positive basketball image for MU on the West Coast.
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I don't know what you mean by "on the radar." Harvard and yale aren't on the radar for most folks too. Marquette isn't all that different than many private schools in that regard.
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A school in the UP...
On another note, it is interesting to review the inside buzz as voted on College Prowler as most prospective students today rely more on the social media reputation. A's in Athletics, Nightlife and Transportation. B+ on Academics, Girls and Local Atmosphere, C range for Diversity (C-), Facilities, Off Campus Dining, Strictness, Weather and Parking. Pretty accurate...MU needs to continue to push the capital upgrades in facilities and to unify the neighborhood.
http://collegeprowler.com/marquette-university/
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I don't know what you mean by "on the radar." Harvard and yale aren't on the radar for most folks too. Marquette isn't all that different than many private schools in that regard.
"on the radar" implies that the school would be forefront in one's mind for a variety of reasons. I don't mean necessarily to attend. In that regard, I don't think people in general have MU on the tip of their tongue. Harvard and Yale would be, however.
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"on the radar" implies that the school would be forefront in one's mind for a variety of reasons. I don't mean necessarily to attend. In that regard, I don't think people in general have MU on the tip of their tongue. Harvard and Yale would be, however.
So you mean it's not well known?? Honestly, I have no idea what you are talking about. You say "middle of the road," but it is ranked toward the higher end of the USN&WR rankings. I guess it is "middle of the road" if you view it from a "what a top high school student would chose to attend" kind of viewpoint, but I am not sure if that viewpoint speaks to the majority of high school students out there.
But I work for a decidedly average public university. 95% of our students would *love* to be able to attend a school like Marquette...Butler...Notre Dame...De Paul... But they can't for a variety of reasons. I guess it is about perspective.
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I grew up as a Catholic in the south, and the first time I had heard of them was in 1977, when my dad jokingly told me I would get ex-communicated if I didn't root for them in the National Championship game.
And you are right; people think it is in Michigan, even some in the Chicago area.
That being said, I think Marquette has a much stronger National reputation than when I went there. It has gone from being 25% commuter students in my day to less than 10%. I was considered an oddball for being from so far away, even though I pointed out it didn't take me any longer to get home than some of my friends who lived in the Northern part of Michigan and had to drive around the lake. It was a regional thing.
I still think Marquette has some work to do to attract top applicants from schools other than their traditional feeders (Wisconsin high schools and Chicago-area Catholic schools). Other than a boy who was an Evans Scholar, my daughter's west suburban Chicago public high school had not sent a kid to Marquette in years. Most of the top students apply to the Ivies and then wind up at U of I if they don't get in. My daughter got several of her friends to consider Marquette and two of them (both finishing Top 10 in their HS class) wound up enrolling with her.
Marquette has a reputation for being a rich kid's school, but most people don't realize that with scholarships, it can actually be less expensive than going to a state school that is stingier with them.
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I'm convinced that in the last 15-20 years Marquette has elevated itself from Milwaukee's Jesuit school (not materially different from Loyola or SLU, etc.) to the realm of 'destination' school, especially here in the midwest. MU is on the short list for top midwestern kids and has a national following. Of course it is not Harvard or Yale, but it is more in the conversation with Georgetown and Boston College than when I attended 30 years ago. Much of that credit goes to Fr. Wild who brought us a long way from the 'dark days' of the late 1980s and early 1990s.
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Marquette has a reputation for being a rich kid's school, but most people don't realize that with scholarships, it can actually be less expensive than going to a state school that is stingier with them.
One of MU's weaknesses is that its scholarship/financial aid endowment is poor relative to its size. They aren't able to meet all unmet financial need like other universities can. For instance, my son goes to Butler and they can meet all financial need that the feds can't. MU doesn't have that capability, and that why it tends to be more of a "rich kids school" than other privates.
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Check the class profiles of MU vs Georgetown. These horses are runnin' in different races. Then compare endowments and report back.
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A review from 'Prowler:
Here at Marquette attractiveness is sad beyond belief. 1 out of 25 girls is attractive, the rest are stuck up daddy's girls who aren't the least bit attractive. It is sad to see a school that got top catholic party school, because the parties consist of a bunch of dudes huddled around a keg with 5 girls at the entire party not a single bit attractive. Beer goggles are a must but even then they do not help.
If you are looking for attractive girls. Stay away from Marquette!
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I'm convinced that in the last 15-20 years Marquette has elevated itself from Milwaukee's Jesuit school (not materially different from Loyola or SLU, etc.) to the realm of 'destination' school, especially here in the midwest. MU is on the short list for top midwestern kids and has a national following. Of course it is not Harvard or Yale, but it is more in the conversation with Georgetown and Boston College than when I attended 30 years ago. Much of that credit goes to Fr. Wild who brought us a long way from the 'dark days' of the late 1980s and early 1990s.
I played golf with an old HS classmate and a couple of other mutual friends.
In the foursome:
Notre Dame
Boston College
Georgetown
Marquette
I'm not kidding. Our schools came up in conversation. BC, Notre Dame, Georgetown are probably the top 3 Catholic schools in terms of academics and national rep. (go anywhere in the country and people have heard of it, and know it's a good school).
But, they all were hard pressed to name the "4th", and the consciousness was that MU was in the conversation.
There are a ton of regional catholic schools that are excellent, but in terms of Catholic schools with a national rep, MU is in the conversation.
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A review from 'Prowler:
What's Prowler?
Travelling for work I was surprised how many people were familiar with MU. Common reactions were "oh, that's a great school," "hell yeah, D Wade" and "Al McGuire was the man!" A lot of people didn't know it was in Milwaukee, but I've never had to explain to anyone what Marquette was about. It was a pleasant surprise :)
Edit: This was Phoenix, Irvine CA, Houston and Boston for the most part.
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I'm convinced that in the last 15-20 years Marquette has elevated itself from Milwaukee's Jesuit school (not materially different from Loyola or SLU, etc.) to the realm of 'destination' school, especially here in the midwest. MU is on the short list for top midwestern kids and has a national following. Of course it is not Harvard or Yale, but it is more in the conversation with Georgetown and Boston College than when I attended 30 years ago. Much of that credit goes to Fr. Wild who brought us a long way from the 'dark days' of the late 1980s and early 1990s.
Great assessment, and I completely agree. Having spent the previous 15 years on the East Coast I think it is also important to note that MU's participation in the Big East created huge benefits. As an alumni volunteer we consistently saw more kids apply to MU from out east, and had more interest in staffing college fairs. Considering the corridor from Boston to DC has the highest concentration of Jesuit high schools in the country -- this is all good....greater interest in what has become a far better product in the last two decades.
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I'm convinced that in the last 15-20 years Marquette has elevated itself from Milwaukee's Jesuit school (not materially different from Loyola or SLU, etc.) to the realm of 'destination' school, especially here in the midwest. ...the 'dark days' of the late 1980s and early 1990s.
But, but.... I graduated from MU 20 years ago next May.... I went to MU in the late 1980's and early 1990's....
I rememeber MU playing Loyola of Chicago every year....
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I was on the Bus Ad Alumni Board a few years back.
David Shrock, Dean of the school at that time, reported that over his tenure, he went from accepting 80% of applicants to the low 60s%. That was a dramatic change in less than 10 years. MU national rep growing, and more academic rigor. Thank God I went to MU before it became more difficult to be accepted.
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A review from 'Prowler:
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Here at Marquette attractiveness is sad beyond belief. 1 out of 25 girls is attractive, the rest are stuck up daddy's girls who aren't the least bit attractive. It is sad to see a school that got top catholic party school, because the parties consist of a bunch of dudes huddled around a keg with 5 girls at the entire party not a single bit attractive. Beer goggles are a must but even then they do not help.
If you are looking for attractive girls. Stay away from Marquette!
Very nice, MU Hilltopper. There are 174 reviews from Marquette students on the Prowler website, and you chose to quote the one that said nearly all of the girls are ugly.
Here are the consolidated results from ALL of the reviews:
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B+
Academics
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A-
Athletics
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B-
Campus Dining
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B-
Campus Housing
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C
Campus Strictness
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B-
Computers
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C-
Diversity
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B-
Drug Safety
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C+
Facilities
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B+
Girls
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B
Greek Life
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B
Guys
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B-
Health & Safety
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B+
Local Atmosphere
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A-
Nightlife
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C+
Off-Campus Dining
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B
Off-Campus Housing
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C+
Parking
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A
Transportation
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C
Weather
As you can see, the overall score for "Girls" was a B+, which, by the way, is higher than the score for "Guys".
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Check the class profiles of MU vs Georgetown. These horses are runnin' in different races. Then compare endowments and report back.
OK, but that doesn't mean MU is "middle of the road." Just not near the top. That's like comparing MU's basketball program to Duke's.
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I tell NorCal people that it's like Santa Clara...in Milwaukee...in the state of Wisconsin...only better.
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generally people in Colorado Springs have never heard of Marq except for sports fans who say "hey you guys are pretty good at basketball."
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Very nice, MU Hilltopper. There are 174 reviews from Marquette students on the Prowler website, and you chose to quote the one that said nearly all of the girls are ugly.
Here are the consolidated results from ALL of the reviews:
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B+
Academics
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A-
Athletics
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B-
Campus Dining
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B-
Campus Housing
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C
Campus Strictness
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B-
Computers
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C-
Diversity
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B-
Drug Safety
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C+
Facilities
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B+
Girls
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B
Greek Life
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B
Guys
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B-
Health & Safety
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B+
Local Atmosphere
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A-
Nightlife
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C+
Off-Campus Dining
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B
Off-Campus Housing
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C+
Parking
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A
Transportation
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C
Weather
As you can see, the overall score for "Girls" was a B+, which, by the way, is higher than the score for "Guys".
When I went to school at MU in the early 2000s the girls were supremely terrible.
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But, but.... I graduated from MU 20 years ago next May.... I went to MU in the late 1980's and early 1990's....
I rememeber MU playing Loyola of Chicago every year....
And now your degree is worth a whole lot more. MANY kids I went to school with in the late 70s or early 80s would never get into MU today. Marquette now draws lots of kids with 30+ ACT scores. In fact, I know that in the most selective colleges on campus, a 27 or 28 might not get you accepted anymore. Last year's application pool was 22,000+; for 2,000 slots! I haven't yet heard the number for this year but 25,000 is not out of the question.
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And now your degree is worth a whole lot more.
Not really. Once you are 20 years out, where you got your degree really isn't all that important.
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The number who apply to school X means diddly squat these days. Taken from a NYTimes article:
"There was a time when kids applied to three or four schools, then to six or seven schools, and now, 10 or more is not uncommon," said John Maguire, a higher education consultant.
Officials said the trend was a result of demographics, aggressive recruiting, the ease of online applications and more students applying to ever more colleges as a safety net. The swelling population of 18-year-olds is not supposed to peak until 2009, when the largest group of high school seniors in the nation's history, 3.2 million, are to graduate.
.. Added to that .. sending your kids to college is far more a part of the "American Dream" than it was 10, 20, 30 years ago, i.e., not only are there demographic mountains of young kids, but way more parents pushing them to apply .. and apply to 3x more schools, since costs are so high, the school with the best financial aid package might be the only one you can afford.
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Another reason is that many colleges and universities, especially privates, want you to apply to build up their exclusivity ranking for USN&WR. That is why there are hardly any application fees any longer. They used to be commonplace among private schools.
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Not really. Once you are 20 years out, where you got your degree really isn't all that important.
Probably depends on the field in which you work, but I think 20 years is really closer to 5.
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I agree with the statement that kids apply to more schools today so the raw application numbers are not particularly signifcant. Still, there is no question that today's MU student body is light years ahead of the student body from 20 to 30 years ago. No contest. And of course one's work record means more than one's specific degree 20 years into your career.
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Probably depends on the field in which you work, but I think 20 years is really closer to 5.
Yeah, I used the 20 because of the frame of reference. After your first job, it doesn't matter much.
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The biggest reason apps are up is more schools use the Common Application. Easy, just submit the same app to many schools and pay the fee.9
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1. I used to have a blue sweatshirt with the gold M on the heart. Almost everybody thought it meant I went to Michigan. I ended up donating it to Goodwill.
2. Many, many people I encounter think Marquette is in Michigan. When the subject of "where did you go to school" comes up, I usually say: "Marquette University in Milwaukee." The response is always, "Oh, that's a good school." I think people say that even if they don't know anything about it.
3. Sports fans usually have positive things to say about Marquette. Younger fans know we've been very competitive lately. Older fans wax poetic about Al. Funny ... hardly anybody mentions Bob Dukiet.
4. I fell in love with 2 girls during my time at Marquette. Neither was close to ugly. I ended up marrying one of them ... and she is still damn cute nearly 30 years later. Most friends back when I was in school thought I had greatly overskiied my slope, and most friends now feel the same is true! In my book, Marquette girls rock!!!
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Another reason is that many colleges and universities, especially privates, want you to apply to build up their exclusivity ranking for USN&WR. That is why there are hardly any application fees any longer. They used to be commonplace among private schools.
That's so wrong.
Application fees are on the up and up!!!
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Can't understate the impact of the Common Application. If I remember correctly (it's been over 8 years), you only even need to check a box about where to send the application... you don't even need to send it yourself to the individual schools.
My guess is that fees are still big at top-25 type schools, who want to rake in a few million off of the people who will apply regardless of the fee (I'm guessing it's more inelastic for Harvard than for Marquette or DePaul).
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4. I fell in love with 2 girls during my time at Marquette. Neither was close to ugly. I ended up marrying one of them ... and she is still damn cute nearly 30 years later. Most friends back when I was in school thought I had greatly overskiied my slope, and most friends now feel the same is true! In my book, Marquette girls rock!!!
I traded up too. Merry Christmas honey.
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I traded up too. Merry Christmas honey.
Merry Christmas to you, too, darling. I am sorry you got stuck with one of those butt-ugly Marquette girls.
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Anyone familiar with MU's policy on children of alumni? Any benefit to chances of being enrolled?
Also, do they offer something like an 80% tuition discount if both parents went to MU? Not asking for free tuition, that would be greedy.
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Anyone familiar with MU's policy on children of alumni? Any benefit to chances of being enrolled?
Also, do they offer something like an 80% tuition discount if both parents went to MU? Not asking for free tuition, that would be greedy.
Yes. If your child is admitted, they will get a scholarship offer that is based on a number of factors including if they are children of alumni. From personal experience, I get the impression it isn't that important a factor compared to others.
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While MU certain encourages legacy students, I have no reason to believe that merit scholarships are in any way affected. And the figure of 80% is way off. A top merit scholarship (and we're talking about kids with 4.0 GPAs and 34-36 ACT's) approaches 50%. Sure there's one or two that get a full ride but those are very, very rare. A very good student (call that a 28-29 ACT) might see $5,000 per year in merit aid.
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While MU certain encourages legacy students, I have no reason to believe that merit scholarships are in any way affected. And the figure of 80% is way off. A top merit scholarship (and we're talking about kids with 4.0 GPAs and 34-36 ACT's) approaches 50%. Sure there's one or two that get a full ride but those are very, very rare. A very good student (call that a 28-29 ACT) might see $5,000 per year in merit aid.
+1. And this is why I have talked about MU's relatively small scholarship endowment being a problem.
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They're working on it Wayne. It has come a long way in the last 10 years but more progress is needed and there is a significant headwind in this economy.
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That's so wrong.
Application fees are on the up and up!!!
Marquette no longer has application fees if you apply prior to the early acceptance deadline and do it online.
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Marquette no longer has application fees if you apply prior to the early acceptance deadline and do it online.
I get the distinct impression that schools (not just Marquette) are doing this simply to drive down their acceptance rate. Too many colleges and universities seem to be focused on meaningless statistics - which can be easily manipulated - in marketing their institution; however, I can't say I'd blame them... they're simply giving what today's HS senior wants --- an easy way to compare apples to oranges.
Sometimes the "best" school isn't the "best school for you." The numbers can deceive you into believing otherwise.
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When I went to school at MU in the early 2000s the girls were supremely terrible.
+1. I was there 2003-2007. It's not an insult, really. It's just a fact. Marquette's female population leaves much to be desired. Somewhere between 5-10% of the girls were attractive. It also comes with being in a cold climate; compare the state of Wisconsin women to women in Florida. Even visiting friends at IU, the girls were much more attractive as a percentage of the population.
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I love all these fabulously handsome guys b*tch*ing about MU girls. If you complain about MU girls, you must post a picture of yourself.
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I love all these fabulously handsome guys b*tch*ing about MU girls. If you complain about MU girls, you must post a picture of yourself.
LOL, I honestly was ready to post the same thing. I think some of these guys look in the mirror and see someone that the rest of us don't! If weather impacts MU women negatively, wouldn't it have the same effect on some of these addonisses?
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While out during my tenure at MU we were told by UWM and UW girls that MU guys were 'hot'.
If you really want me to post a picture... nahhh... I'm pretty easy to find.
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While out during my tenure at MU we were told by UWM and UW girls that MU guys were 'hot'.
If you really want me to post a picture... nahhh... I'm pretty easy to find.
Well, boys, you can dish it out but you can't take it? I think it is put up or shut up time.
And I don't want to hear excuses about not having a picture. All of you alums before the class of 1996 can PM me your real name and I can pull it out of the Hilltop archives.
I must say, in my day many of you guys were no prize, either. Once-a-semester haircut, 5-day growth of beard, beer belly, Real Chili-stained sweatshirt.....
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Well, boys, you can dish it out but you can't take it? I think it is put up or shut up time.
And I don't want to hear excuses about not having a picture. All of you alums before the class of 1996 can PM me your real name and I can pull it out of the Hilltop archives.
I must say, in my day many of you guys were no prize, either. Once-a-semester haircut, 5-day growth of beard, beer belly, Real Chili-stained sweatshirt.....
Sweet! I'm exempt!
Also, I believe the expression is, "Ladies, first".
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I gotta think some of the dudes on this board are actually chicks and vice versa. If you really need to check out a picture of F*ckin', your local post office would have the recent posted.
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I get the distinct impression that Hards needs the exemption....
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I get the distinct impression that Hards needs the exemption....
I really don't, and as I said, I'm pretty easy to find.
Keep defending your girlfriend bro, hopefully you'll get laid for it!
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Well, boys, you can dish it out but you can't take it? I think it is put up or shut up time.
And I don't want to hear excuses about not having a picture. All of you alums before the class of 1996 can PM me your real name and I can pull it out of the Hilltop archives.
I must say, in my day many of you guys were no prize, either. Once-a-semester haircut, 5-day growth of beard, beer belly, Real Chili-stained sweatshirt.....
I'm really not trying to start an argument here...
But no one ever said the male population was a bunch of models. The simple fact is, that relative to percentages, nearly any school south of the mason-dixon line is going to have more attractive women. That may apply to the men to, I dunno. But it does apply to the Marquette women.
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My experience is that MU's reputation gets bunched together w/ Milwaukee's fat (men & women) & drunk image. Dece academics, pretty good bball, lots of boozing.
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I must say, in my day many of you guys were no prize, either. Once-a-semester haircut, 5-day growth of beard, beer belly, Real Chili-stained sweatshirt.....
Wait a minute. I resemble that remark. Except for the beard; I could only grow a nice stash.
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My experience is that MU's reputation gets bunched together w/ Milwaukee's fat (men & women) & drunk image. Dece academics, pretty good bball, lots of boozing.
An undeserved reputation. A few years back it was one of the top 10 fittest in the nation.
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An undeserved reputation. A few years back it was one of the top 10 fittest in the nation.
http://www.homer-simpson-quotes.com/85
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http://www.homer-simpson-quotes.com/85
Oh, yes, that one always grinds my gears. :)
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Well, boys, you can dish it out but you can't take it? I think it is put up or shut up time.
And I don't want to hear excuses about not having a picture. All of you alums before the class of 1996 can PM me your real name and I can pull it out of the Hilltop archives.
I must say, in my day many of you guys were no prize, either. Once-a-semester haircut, 5-day growth of beard, beer belly, Real Chili-stained sweatshirt.....
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aqKshJPw8sA/Trfk1mVbazI/AAAAAAAACb0/XaCKzKVOzAs/s400/1.%2BFloyd.jpg)
"Don't condescend me, man. I'll f***kin' kill ya, man."
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An undeserved reputation. A few years back it was one of the top 10 fittest in the nation.
According to the Onion? A few years back you could still smoke in just about anywhere but an operating room.
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According to the Onion? A few years back you could still smoke in just about anywhere but an operating room.
http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/top-25-fittest-and-fattest-cities-in-the-u-s-351934.html
Top Fittest Cities
1. Salt Lake City, UT
2. Colorado Springs, CO
3. Minneapolis, MN
4. Denver, CO
5. Albuquerque, NM
6. Portland, OR
7. Honolulu, HI
8. Seattle, WA
9. Omaha, NE
10. Virginia Beach, VA
11. Milwaukee, WI
12. San Francisco, CA
13. Tucson, AZ
14. Boston, MA
15. Cleveland, OH
16. St. Louis, MO
17. Austin, TX
18. Washington, DC
19. Sacramento, CA
20. Oakland, CA
21. Atlanta, GA
22. Fresno, CA
23. Tampa, FL
24. Nashville-Davidson, TN
25. Pittsburgh, PA
Top Fattest Cities
1. Miami, FL
2. Oklahoma City, OK
3. San Antonio, TX
4. Las Vegas, NV
5. New York, NY
6. Houston, TX
7. El Paso, TX
8. Jacksonville, FL
9. Charlotte, NC
10. Louisville-Jefferson, KY
11. Memphis, TN
12. Detroit, MI
13. Chicago, IL
14. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX
15. San Jose, CA
16. Tulsa, OK
17. Baltimore, MD
18. Columbus, OH
19. Raleigh, NC
20. Philadelphia, PA
21. L.A.-Long Beach, CA
22. Phoenix-Mesa, AZ
23. Indianapolis, IN
24. San Diego, CA
25. Kansas City, MO
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According to the Onion? A few years back you could still smoke in just about anywhere but an operating room.
Like a lot of cities.
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Men's Health 2010. The grading criteria is kind of meh. It includes Type 2 diabetes (which accounts for only 2 - 3% of the entire population in this country). However, rankings ignore heart disease (the leading cause of death in the US).
http://www.menshealth.com/fattestcities2010/ (http://www.menshealth.com/fattestcities2010/)
Fattest
1. Corpus Christi, TX
4. Dallas, TX
5. Memphis, TN
15. Philadelphia, PA
20. Las Vegas, NV
22. Chicago, IL
27. Detroit, MI
30. Fresno, CA
34. Milwaukee, WI
44. Pittsburgh, PA
49. St. Louis, MO
75. New York, NY (seems awfully low to me)
82. Atlanta, GA
94. Cincinnati, OH
According to this Gallup Poll the midwest states are all similar in obesity percentages.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/141734/One-Three-Adults-Obese-America-Three-Obese-States.aspx#2 (http://www.gallup.com/poll/141734/One-Three-Adults-Obese-America-Three-Obese-States.aspx#2)
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I have two high school aged kids that both would like to go to MU. If I did not have a long, long history with MU I would not pay the freight at MU. I believe MU is a good school which has been a great place for my family. That said, I could not see paying MU tuition if not for the long family history.
Hate to say it but UW has great reputation and is far better investment for WI residents. Breaks my heart to say that but now I am the guy writing the checks.
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Hate to say it but UW has great reputation and is far better investment for WI residents.
Only if you consider playing the lottery an "investment." Because if you're not a minority or from an underprivileged background, that's the kind of luck it takes to get into the UW these days.
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Only if you consider playing the lottery an "investment." Because if you're not a minority or from an underprivileged background, that's the kind of luck it takes to get into the UW these days.
That is a bunch of crap. If you have a 3.5 GPA in college prep courses, and have a 26+ ACT, you are going to be admitted regardless of your status. There are thousands of kids like that across Wisconsin in any given year.
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That is a bunch of crap. If you have a 3.5 GPA in college prep courses, and have a 26+ ACT, you are going to be admitted regardless of your status. There are thousands of kids like that across Wisconsin in any given year.
Back in 2000, I exceeded your above criteria (by a bit) AND had 12 college credits. I was vice pres of my senior class, student council 3 years, a tutor for 3rd graders, a mentor, in sports and a ton of clubs.
I was wait-listed until APRIL, and by that time I had decided to go to Marquette.
Getting into UW as a Wisconsin resident is extremely difficult.
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To transfer to UW is actually much easier than getting accepted. I reluctantly admit my oldest son went to MU for 1+ years and transferred to UW. If my son had attended UWM he would have been accepted one semester earlier. All said and done the 2+ years at UW a better investment.
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Back in 2000, I exceeded your above criteria (by a bit) AND had 12 college credits. I was vice pres of my senior class, student council 3 years, a tutor for 3rd graders, a mentor, in sports and a ton of clubs.
I was wait-listed until APRIL, and by that time I had decided to go to Marquette.
Getting into UW as a Wisconsin resident is extremely difficult.
I literally know dozens of white, middle class high school students who have been admitted with essentially the criteria I listed. The school you went to matters. The extracurriculars are generally touted by the school, but very much an overrated part of the admission process. No offense, but a "tutor for 3rd graders" isn't going to do much with most admissions officers.
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To transfer to UW is actually much easier than getting accepted. I reluctantly admit my oldest son went to MU for 1+ years and transferred to UW. If my son had attended UWM he would have been accepted one semester earlier. All said and done the 2+ years at UW a better investment.
Hell, he goes to UW-Waukesha or one of the other two year colleges, he can transfer to UW easier.
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Sorry for your apparent deficiencies because I literally know dozens of white, middle class high school students who have been admitted with essentially the criteria I listed.
Most likely my problem was that I was barely in the top 1/3 of my class (we had 10 kids with 4.0s out of a 120 person class, and the salutatorian had gotten ONE B+), and I took challenging classes and college courses which brought down my GPA. I knew that at least one of the 4.0 students had taken nearly every art class available.
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Agreed on white, middle class kids getting into UW. We literally know dozens of families that had their kids accepted directly from high school. I do believe the high school you attend does make a difference though. Ozaukee and Waukesha county schools have a very high number of students accepted to UW each year.
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Most likely my problem was that I was barely in the top 1/3 of my class (we had 10 kids with 4.0s out of a 120 person class, and the salutatorian had gotten ONE B+), and I took challenging classes and college courses which brought down my GPA. I knew that at least one of the 4.0 students had taken nearly every art class available.
Now you might actually find that to be different. The UW is much more comprehensive in looking at GPA along with the quality of the courses you take. They don't even use class rank much any longer.
BTW, I modified my post...apologies because I didn't mean to be dickish. I didn't say what I wanted to.
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Now you might actually find that to be different. The UW is much more comprehensive in looking at GPA along with the quality of the courses you take. They don't even use class rank much any longer.
BTW, I modified my post...apologies because I didn't mean to be dickish. I didn't say what I wanted to.
It isn't really fair that they can consider the school you went to... how many kids have control over such a thing?
FWIW, I went to a school in the Fox Valley (Little Chute).
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It isn't really fair that they can consider the school you went to... how many kids have control over such a thing?
It's not just the school you went to, but how you did. For instance, a 3.5 at University School means something different than a 3.5 at Milwaukee Washington.
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Hate to say it but UW has great reputation and is far better investment for WI residents. Breaks my heart to say that but now I am the guy writing the checks.
It's a better "investment" because every worker in Wisconsin is forced to subsidize it. You're paying for it whether or not your kids go there and that naturally makes MU (or any private school) a tougher sell.
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It's not just the school you went to, but how you did. For instance, a 3.5 at University School means something different than a 3.5 at Milwaukee Washington.
You are 100% correct on that. However, kids at U School with a 3.5 will undoubtedly have much higher test scores and subsequently opt for US News' top 20 select colleges.
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Agreed on white, middle class kids getting into UW. We literally know dozens of families that had their kids accepted directly from high school. I do believe the high school you attend does make a difference though. Ozaukee and Waukesha county schools have a very high number of students accepted to UW each year.
I did Fr/So years at a highly regarded college-prep private high school in Minnesota, and then Jr/Sr years (and graduated) from a semi-rural Wisconsin public high school. My ACT score was the highest in five years at the latter, but probably was only 90th percentile at the former. My class rank over the first two years was upper 1/3 at the former; my rank during my last two years at graduation was lower half. (Confused? Read on...)
Not only did I get rejected by UW, I came to find out a few weeks later that the UW admissions office called my HS guidance counselor because they thought my application, transcripts, etc. were either forgeries or a joke. When I learned all of this, my guidance counselor made it quite clear to me that my rejection had nothing to do with my grades, class rank, etc. but rather that I was a victim of "quotas and timing."
I'm probably one of a handful people in the entire world who look back with tremendous satisfaction and pleasure at the first time I was ever discriminated against for something beyond my control.
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I did Fr/So years at a highly regarded college-prep private high school in Minnesota, and then Jr/Sr years (and graduated) from a semi-rural Wisconsin public high school. My ACT score was the highest in five years at the latter, but probably was only 90th percentile at the former. My class rank over the first two years was upper 1/3 at the former; my rank during my last two years at graduation was lower half. (Confused? Read on...)
Not only did I get rejected by UW, I came to find out a few weeks later that the UW admissions office called my HS guidance counselor because they thought my application, transcripts, etc. were either forgeries or a joke. When I learned all of this, my guidance counselor made it quite clear to me that my rejection had nothing to do with my grades, class rank, etc. but rather that I was a victim of "quotas and timing."
Let me suggest that the guidance counselor may have been giving you a line to cover his (or her) ass. What you describe makes no sense. Why didn't you appeal? You don't have to go through your guidance counselor to do that.
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Let me suggest that the guidance counselor may have been giving you a line to cover his (or her) ass. What you describe makes no sense. Why didn't you appeal? You don't have to go through your guidance counselor to do that.
Why in the world would he be covering his ass? He didn't do anything wrong. I worked in his office during my study hall the previous year and we had a good relationship... if anything, he probably told me a lot more than he would have to any other student in that situation; not to mention, how many guidance counselors get phone calls from university admissions departments who think they're being punked?
It's not like he was trying to lift my spirits either, he knew I had plenty of other options and that UW wasn't even my 1st choice. Appealing wasn't even an option I knew existed at the time; even if I had, I wouldn't have.
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Could be covering his ass because he gave you poor advice regarding issues that you may have had with your transcript, transferring schools, etc.
I just have never heard of someone rejected because of "quotas and timing." I really doubt that was the actual reason you were rejected. My guess is that they suspected issues with your transcript, which is what prompted the call, and the answers they got weren't satisfactory.
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You said, "SHOE IN!"
http://youtu.be/jzEhVsME8p4 (http://youtu.be/jzEhVsME8p4)
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Could be covering his ass because he gave you poor advice regarding issues that you may have had with your transcript, transferring schools, etc.
I just have never heard of someone rejected because of "quotas and timing." I really doubt that was the actual reason you were rejected. My guess is that they suspected issues with your transcript, which is what prompted the call, and the answers they got weren't satisfactory.
Bear in mind this was well before the Gratz & Gutter v. Michigan cases that went to the Supreme Court... quotas weren't a secret then or now, heck they were still required in the 90's. In any event, if you still don't want to believe that UW has a quota system, fine. Perhaps someone who works for an institution of higher education can explain why the UW is so adamantly fighting the recent FOIA requests for admissions data that would either substantiate or disprove such a wacky accusation.
As I said, the phone call was weeks after I had already been rejected. But this isn't about me... I was just sharing my personal, unique experience to back up my statement and belief that getting admitted to the UW isn't a cake walk and doesn't exist as a viable option for parents who ultimately end up having to send their kids to private schools of various calibers. If I'm wrong and you have to be dumb as a rock to not get admitted to the UW, great; I don't care. More power to the parents who send their dumb kids to UW because they couldn't get admitted to Arizona State.
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But your "unique, personal experience" is just that. That is quite the backtrack from the blanket comment that it takes the luck of a lottery for a white kid to get into UW.
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I find this interesting .. I've "been told" / always thought / UW-Madison was really hard to get in to .. other than anecdotal stories, anyone have data?
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I find this interesting .. I've "been told" / always thought / UW-Madison was really hard to get in to .. other than anecdotal stories, anyone have data?
http://www.news.wisc.edu/admissions/myth1.html
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I would bet a higher % of Homestead kids are accepted to UW over USM kids. For many USchool kids UW is a backup school and most chose their dream school over UW. Their is a prejudice at UW against certain private schools. If you do not believe this attend a graduation at USchool or Brookfield Academy and read the program and see the college choices for the grads.
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You can put away your academic peckers guys.
The issue is admission for in state kids vs. out of state. UW is harder to get into for kids from Wisconsin than it was 15 years ago. The reason is UW needs out of state tuition $$. This is an issue @ U of I also.
Admission standards have gone up over the years, but this is because there are more applications submitted. More kids going to college for the same or fewer spots means stricter admission standards. Yield management means restricting discounts on seats, selling more seats to those who will pay more.
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Ringout--Really? Pecker away:)
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You can put away your academic peckers guys.
The issue is admission for in state kids vs. out of state. UW is harder to get into for kids from Wisconsin than it was 15 years ago. The reason is UW needs out of state tuition $$. This is an issue @ U of I also.
Admission standards have gone up over the years, but this is because there are more applications submitted. More kids going to college for the same or fewer spots means stricter admission standards. Yield management means restricting discounts on seats, selling more seats to those who will pay more.
Definitely. And you won't find that in a FAQ. Another way to look at this is that out of state kids have been keeping the costs lower for those in-state students that are admitted.
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Ringout--Really? Pecker away:)
Well, I had a 42 ACT and a 5.7 GPA and I got into UW. Oh yeah, well anybody with a lick of sense should be able to get into UW....blah blah blah.
The fast is, there are Wisconsin kids who don't get into UW, who are college material. The fact that you never see a prof till your junior year just adds to the injustice.
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Well, I had a 42 ACT and a 5.7 GPA and I got into UW. Oh yeah, well anybody with a lick of sense should be able to get into UW....blah blah blah.
The fast is, there are Wisconsin kids who don't get into UW, who are college material. The fact that you never see a prof till your junior year just adds to the injustice.
Well, there are 12 other four-year campuses where if you finish in the top half of your class you are guaranteed admission. And there are dozens of two year campuses were the only real requirement is that your check doesn't bounce. No injustice at all.
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Well, there are 12 other four-year campuses where if you finish in the top half of your class you are guaranteed admission. And there are dozens of two year campuses were the only real requirement is that your check doesn't bounce. No injustice at all.
Let them eat cake!
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I did Fr/So years at a highly regarded college-prep private high school in Minnesota, and then Jr/Sr years (and graduated) from a semi-rural Wisconsin public high school. My ACT score was the highest in five years at the latter, but probably was only 90th percentile at the former. My class rank over the first two years was upper 1/3 at the former; my rank during my last two years at graduation was lower half. (Confused? Read on...)
humblebrag
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The earlier post is true about state schools wanting out-of-state students more nowadays.
The heralded University of California system has upped their % of accepted out-of-state students to offset their budget issues (a whole different crap bag).
It's even worse if your state school is renown for a certain academic program.
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Middle of the road school that is not on the radar screen of most folks, especially non-Catholics.
REALLY?? that has got to be the most narrow-minded response i've read. still living with momma??
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Feel free to refute it.
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To transfer to UW is actually much easier than getting accepted. I reluctantly admit my oldest son went to MU for 1+ years and transferred to UW. If my son had attended UWM he would have been accepted one semester earlier. All said and done the 2+ years at UW a better investment.
Indeed, I had friends who spent their freshman years at MU and UWM after getting rejected from UW and were admitted as transfers. I did the flip and went from UW to MU. I did have a couple close friends in my graduating class with high GPAs and ACT scores get rejected and waitlisted (the waitlisted one was a 3.7 GPA and 26 ACT), which was upsetting when I got to school and found they take many out of state students with much less impressive credentials-UW at that time had the lowest percentage of in state students of any public school in the country and it was quite obvious if you spent time on campus. It was also almost like "culture shock" in Madison with how they catered to out of state students. Not sure if it's still that way, but most likely.
As for the main topic at hand, MU has been perceived very well by those I've encountered after graduation in time spent living up and down the east coast. No Ivy League, but certainly not "second rate". Wouldn't even say most people think all Big Ten schools are a notch above MU-they like their #1 state schools whether they're Big Ten or ACC or SEC, and MU has been considered a strong academic school and basketball school (possibly helping the perception of the former). Even had someone ask me if MU struggles to get good basketball recruits...I was about to start with the climate when they continued the question with "because of their academic admissions standards".
When I went to school at MU in the early 2000s the girls were supremely terrible.
And yes, having lived in several places with many college campuses nearby after graduating, it only confirmed what we always thought of the girls at MU. Though they seemed to have gotten better the past couple times I had visited campus.
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Well, boys, you can dish it out but you can't take it? I think it is put up or shut up time.
And I don't want to hear excuses about not having a picture. All of you alums before the class of 1996 can PM me your real name and I can pull it out of the Hilltop archives.
I must say, in my day many of you guys were no prize, either. Once-a-semester haircut, 5-day growth of beard, beer belly, Real Chili-stained sweatshirt.....
You forgot to add blood stains from slippin' on the floor at the 'Lanche. ;D