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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Pakuni on September 27, 2016, 08:18:51 AM
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"Very bluntly, Milwaukee is the most segregated, racist place I’ve ever experienced in my life. It just is a place that is antiquated. It is in desperate need of repair and has happened for a long, long time. One of our messages and one of our goals is to lead by example.”
http://deadspin.com/bucks-president-milwaukee-is-the-most-segregated-rac-1787121559
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I love Milwaukee, and he may be exaggerating, but he's not wrong.
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I don't want this to get too political too quick, but I will say this:
Milwaukee has segregation and racial issues to be sure that need to be resolved, but Peter Feigen might want to get out more if he thinks Milwaukee is the most racist place in America let alone in the world (sad I have to type this cause Milwaukee ain't good, but there are definitely worse places).
I will also say, it is at best disingenuous at worst full blown hypocrisy that:
-his entire ownership group and executive team with the exception of the HC are white males
-his ownership took $250 million from the most racist city he's ever been in, which potentially could have been used to do other things to better the city if his organization is so aghast at the state of race relations within Milwaukee.
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Well he didn't say it is the most racist place in America or the world. He said it is the most racist place "he's experienced."
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Well he didn't say it is the most racist place in America or the world. He said it is the most racist place "he's experienced."
Hence my point that he needs to get out more
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Hence my point that he needs to get out more
In all fairness to him, he's hardly the first to point out that Milwaukee is one of the, if not the, most segregated city in America. US Census figure show that Milwaukee and Detroit tie for the most segregated cities.
http://www.s4.brown.edu/us2010/Data/Report/report2.pdf
And, really, saying that "there are places worse in the world" is hardly a stirring defense for the city.
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108 years
Last time Cubs won the World Series
Last time Milwaukee had a Republican mayor
http://newstalk1130.iheart.com/onair/common-sense-central-37717/milwaukee-a-democrat-disaster-108-years-15022787/
We aren't immune to it in Madison, either.
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Look dude, cities have had similar problems ever since cities have existed. The idea that this is simply because there is a Democratic mayor is talk show pablum for the WOW counties.
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"You people are a bunch of racists that are stuck in the past, but thanks for the arena and remember to own the future by buying a 10 game, half season, or full season ticket package!"
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And, really, saying that "there are places worse in the world" is hardly a stirring defense for the city.
Defending the city is not my point.
If someone has a way to solve the segregation in the city, I'm all ears.
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Hence my point that he needs to get out more
How do you know where he's been?
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How do you know where he's been?
It's math, Milwaukee is bad, there are places worse in the US...if he thinks Milwaukee is the worst then he hasn't been to other places.
He made the statement in Madison....which isn't exactly a bastion of inclusion and sensitivity contrary to what Madison would have you believe.
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108 years
Last time Cubs won the World Series
Last time Milwaukee had a Republican mayor
http://newstalk1130.iheart.com/onair/common-sense-central-37717/milwaukee-a-democrat-disaster-108-years-15022787/
We aren't immune to it in Madison, either.
They weren't democrats until just post WWII - they were socialists. And people loved the city. Just saying.
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Census data backs the first part of his statement. The second part is his perception. I am curious about the part about leading by example. Having just done a shakedown of the city and state to keep the team in Milwaukee, I ponder what kind of example he has in mind going forward.
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Census data backs the first part of his statement. The second part is his perception. I am curious about the part about leading by example. Having just done a shakedown of the city and state to keep the team in Milwaukee, I ponder what kind of example he has in mind going forward.
I agree with all of this.
edit to add:
One other thing I would point out is that Jabari Parker has been speaking out on this topic and I think he's done a great job of getting his viewpoint out. I wish Feigen had taken Jabari's lead, especially given Feigen to date hasn't seemingly taken any active role or position on race equality until his statement.
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108 years
Last time Cubs won the World Series
Last time Milwaukee had a Republican mayor
http://newstalk1130.iheart.com/onair/common-sense-central-37717/milwaukee-a-democrat-disaster-108-years-15022787/
We aren't immune to it in Madison, either.
Excellent observation.
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108 years
Last time Cubs won the World Series
Last time Milwaukee had a Republican mayor
http://newstalk1130.iheart.com/onair/common-sense-central-37717/milwaukee-a-democrat-disaster-108-years-15022787/
We aren't immune to it in Madison, either.
So you're saying don't bet on the Cubs this fall.
Thanks for the tip.
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So you're saying don't bet on the Cubs this fall.
Thanks for the tip.
I don't know that I'd base your decision on that.....Jesse Livermore hasn't made a panicked prediction about selling the Cubs stock yet.
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I don't know that I'd base your decision on that.....Jesse Livermore hasn't made a panicked prediction about selling the Cubs stock yet.
Cubs stock?
I thought the Packers were the only professional sports team with make-believe stock.
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They weren't democrats until just post WWII - they were socialists. And people loved the city. Just saying.
Mostly Socialists, which are closer to Democrats than Republicans. Nevertheless, Democrat mayors in 1908, 1912 (fusion candidate of Republicans and Democrats, but Bading was the Democrat who represented the fusion offering), 1940 another.
Another way to look at it, since the city began in 1846, this is the breakdown of party control at the mayoral level
Democrats: 103 years
Socialists (more aligned with Democrats than Republicans): 38 years
Republicans: 20 years
Fusion / non partisan: 10 years
The Milwaukee Common Council is almost entirely Democrat. If you keep having the same problems for decade after decade, it might be time to think about the same policies and ideologies from the same group of elected leaders.
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Well this thread has gone well...
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Cubs stock?
I thought the Packers were the only professional sports team with make-believe stock.
My bad, I thought there was some sort of stock certificate based on delusions, depression, and Busch Light
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It's math, Milwaukee is bad, there are places worse in the US...if he thinks Milwaukee is the worst then he hasn't been to other places.
He made the statement in Madison....which isn't exactly a bastion of inclusion and sensitivity contrary to what Madison would have you believe.
Man, it's great fun reading your contemptuous self righteousness in determining what is, and isn't, valid about the experiences of another person.
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Da $$$$$ ownership group has several minority, minority members. But, beyond dat, either Feigen is a bonofide idiot or he's layin' the groundwork for another round of public support panderin', hey?
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Man, it's great fun reading your contemptuous self righteousness in determining what is, and isn't, valid about the experiences of another person.
Never once did I say his experiences were invalid but hey, whatever labels and issues you want to throw my way, go nuts...they aren't what I'm saying or who I am so it doesn't bother me if you want to get worked up about it.
Have a good night
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Mostly Socialists, which are closer to Democrats than Republicans. Nevertheless, Democrat mayors in 1908, 1912 (fusion candidate of Republicans and Democrats, but Bading was the Democrat who represented the fusion offering), 1940 another.
Another way to look at it, since the city began in 1846, this is the breakdown of party control at the mayoral level
Democrats: 103 years
Socialists (more aligned with Democrats than Republicans): 38 years
Republicans: 20 years
Fusion / non partisan: 10 years
The Milwaukee Common Council is almost entirely Democrat. If you keep having the same problems for decade after decade, it might be time to think about the same policies and ideologies from the same group of elected leaders.
This is pretty much Trump's pretend appeal to African Americans as well.
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Since the badger troll violated the no politics rule, can we ban him now?
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Since the badger troll violated the no politics rule, can we ban him now?
I would have thought being a Badger would be enough...so yes, drop the ban hammer
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Da $$$$$ ownership group has several minority, minority members. But, beyond dat, either Feigen is a bonofide idiot or he's layin' the groundwork for another round of public support panderin', hey?
Ok, let's go with feigen's premise or assertion or observation that Milwaukee is "the most segregated...." Are we or is anyone preventing the minorities from moving out and about? Are the suburbs disallowing minorities from moving in to their neighborhoods? Short answer is NO! Segregation has been going on forever. Ever since immigration began. People of different ethnic groups tend to hang together. Note-China town, Greek town, Hispanics, Serbs, Italians, etc have all made their own neighborhoods/niches. Segregated?? I guess so, but so what? People did this for reasons of commonality, family, doing business, traditions, ease of communication, etc. It's what those ethnic groups have made of those areas themselves that define the people, not the city itself. The cities didn't direct certain people to certain areas and physically "wall" them off. This at a time when I'm reading about certain groups of students telling universities that they will not live with a fill-in-the-blank person I their dorm?
Feigen is an idiot pander'er. By him coming out and saying that, why of course he's not a racist or anything because he's getting ahead of the problem, right? You mean to tell me San Francisco with its china town or New York with all its "towns" isn't segregated as well? Why does segregation mean something bad? The people of these "segregated" areas are free to move around as they choose last time I checked
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Ok, let's go with feigen's premise or assertion or observation that Milwaukee is "the most segregated...." Are we or is anyone preventing the minorities from moving out and about? Are the suburbs disallowing minorities from moving in to their neighborhoods? Short answer is NO! Segregation has been going on forever. Ever since immigration began. People of different ethnic groups tend to hang together. Note-China town, Greek town, Hispanics, Serbs, Italians, etc have all made their own neighborhoods/niches. Segregated?? I guess so, but so what? People did this for reasons of commonality, family, doing business, traditions, ease of communication, etc. It's what those ethnic groups have made of those areas themselves that define the people, not the city itself. The cities didn't direct certain people to certain areas and physically "wall" them off. This at a time when I'm reading about certain groups of students telling universities that they will not live with a fill-in-the-blank person I their dorm?
Feigen is an idiot pander'er. By him coming out and saying that, why of course he's not a racist or anything because he's getting ahead of the problem, right? You mean to tell me San Francisco with its china town or New York with all its "towns" isn't segregated as well? Why does segregation mean something bad? The people of these "segregated" areas are free to move around as they choose last time I checked
Yes. The same institutional racism/discrimination that forced each of those ethnic groups into the poor areas of town, is doing the same now. Unfortunately, there are less opportunities/growth now then when those other groups moved to the US. Although I would argue it's less about ethnicity/race and more about economic class. It is much much harder for lower economic classes to move up now than it was in the 19th, early 20th century. Read a sociology book for me one time.
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I'm going to take a wild guess here that Feigen bought a condo in either the lower eastside or third ward just like Lasry's kid. If so, he is part of the problem, not part of the solution. He's slinging some mighty big rocks for living in a glass condo.
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I'm going to take a wild guess here that Feigen bought a condo in either the lower eastside or third ward just like Lasry's kid. If so, he is part of the problem, not part of the solution. He's slinging some mighty big rocks for living in a glass condo.
So the only way you can be "part of the solution" is to live in a house on 30th and Cherry?
He is paying his property taxes to the City of Milwaukee and MPS, generating his economic activity in the City, etc. That is being part of the solution.
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Did I say part or did I say only?
It all depends how passionate he is about solving the problem. To solve it faster it is going to take majority ethnicities to move where they are minorities and a sizeable portion of the old majority to stay. By moving into a neighborhood where he is part of the majority he just strengthened it. A minority needs to move in just to have the demographics be the same as before. Hence, part of the problem.
And yes it is going to take more white people to move to Midtown for the problem to be truly solved, but I take it from your comment it won't be you. So just don't move out when minorities move in because let's not forget the northwest side use to be majority white just a generation ago. Thanks for being part of the solution.
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Did I say part or did I say only?
It all depends how passionate he is about solving the problem. To solve it faster it is going to take majority ethnicities to move where they are minorities and a sizeable portion of the old majority to stay. By moving into a neighborhood where he is part of the majority he just strengthened it. A minority needs to move in just to have the demographics be the same as before. Hence, part of the problem.
And yes it is going to take more white people to move to Midtown for the problem to be truly solved, but I take it from your comment it won't be you. So just don't move out when minorities move in because let's not forget the northwest side use to be majority white just a generation ago. Thanks for being part of the solution.
You said that he is "part of the problem, not part of the solution." I would argue moving to a Milwaukee condo isn't a problem at all and is part of what is going to be needed to create a solution.
And it likely won't be me, at least anytime soon, because I don't live in the Milwaukee area. But nice try.
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While we don't prevent minorities from moving to the suburbs .. it's all about having a modicum of a racial-minority middle class. Milwaukee just doesn't have the economy to boost many inner-city people up a rung.
The suburbs don't have stop signs, but they do have high housing barriers to entry -- not to mention a typically homogenized citizenry which shouldn't surprise as uncomfortable.
MKE's economy will be like this for more generations.
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Ok, let's go with feigen's premise or assertion or observation that Milwaukee is "the most segregated...." Are we or is anyone preventing the minorities from moving out and about? Are the suburbs disallowing minorities from moving in to their neighborhoods? Short answer is NO! Segregation has been going on forever. Ever since immigration began. People of different ethnic groups tend to hang together. Note-China town, Greek town, Hispanics, Serbs, Italians, etc have all made their own neighborhoods/niches. Segregated?? I guess so, but so what? People did this for reasons of commonality, family, doing business, traditions, ease of communication, etc. It's what those ethnic groups have made of those areas themselves that define the people, not the city itself. The cities didn't direct certain people to certain areas and physically "wall" them off. This at a time when I'm reading about certain groups of students telling universities that they will not live with a fill-in-the-blank person I their dorm?
Feigen is an idiot pander'er. By him coming out and saying that, why of course he's not a racist or anything because he's getting ahead of the problem, right? You mean to tell me San Francisco with its china town or New York with all its "towns" isn't segregated as well? Why does segregation mean something bad? The people of these "segregated" areas are free to move around as they choose last time I checked
Feigen is correct that Milwaukee is one of, if not the most segregated city in the country. Some amount of that may be as the result of overt racism as Feigen indicates by calling the city racist, but I think there is a lot more to it than that. Part of why I react so strongly to his blanket statement is that it's such an acidic charge it allows the subtle issues to hide which I think is a bigger chunk of the problem.
As Jes points out, a lot of the problem is already "baked into the pie" so to speak. Culturally we are more often than not predicated to be resistant to new or different within our communities. And we are very resistant if that new and different are some how a lower economic class than our own. Unfortunately, the lower economic classes are disproportionately minority so it has the effect of also being construed as racism when we shun the less economically fit.
I remember the online stink that some in the community I live in made about a Walmart being built, or a Milwaukee County bus line being extended....hell the city even got sued for not wanting low income housing. I fully believe there are some in my city that are overt racists, but I think far more of the issue is the view that somehow the "lower" class(economic not racial) would sully the community which results in people of that class not feeling welcome and feel like they have to "stick to their own". Which going back to my previous paragraph means far fewer minorities.
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Feigen is correct that Milwaukee is one of, if not the most segregated city in the country. Some amount of that may be as the result of overt racism as Feigen indicates by calling the city racist, but I think there is a lot more to it than that. Part of why I react so strongly to his blanket statement is that it's such an acidic charge it allows the subtle issues to hide which I think is a bigger chunk of the problem.
As Jes points out, a lot of the problem is already "baked into the pie" so to speak. Culturally we are more often than not predicated to be resistant to new or different within our communities. And we are very resistant if that new and different are some how a lower economic class than our own. Unfortunately, the lower economic classes are disproportionately minority so it has the effect of also being construed as racism when we shun the less economically fit.
I remember the online stink that some in the community I live in made about a Walmart being built, or a Milwaukee County bus line being extended....hell the city even got sued for not wanting low income housing. I fully believe there are some in my city that are overt racists, but I think far more of the issue is the view that somehow the "lower" class(economic not racial) would sully the community which results in people of that class not feeling welcome and feel like they have to "stick to their own". Which going back to my previous paragraph means far fewer minorities.
I think you are far underestimating how much race is involved.
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Ok, let's go with feigen's premise or assertion or observation that Milwaukee is "the most segregated...." Are we or is anyone preventing the minorities from moving out and about? Are the suburbs disallowing minorities from moving in to their neighborhoods? Short answer is NO!
You're kidding me right? Your argument is if the people of color don't like it they should move? Also not taking into account the radical difference in socio-economic status between different races that could be be barriers to moving. The fact that it would mean leaving friends, family, and community behind. The fact that it is a challenge to be one of the only person who looks like you in a neighborhood which would be a reality in the suburbs.
The answer to an area being racist isn't have all the minorities leave. The answer is for all the racists to stop being racist.
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You're kidding me right? Your argument is if the people of color don't like it they should move? Also not taking into account the radical difference in socio-economic status between different races that could be be barriers to moving. The fact that it would mean leaving friends, family, and community behind. The fact that it is a challenge to be one of the only person who looks like you in a neighborhood which would be a reality in the suburbs.
The answer to an area being racist isn't have all the minorities leave. The answer is for all the racists to stop being racist.
Cmon TAMU let's get real!
What's preventing a black family from the inner-city, largely reliant on public transportation, from moving to Brookfield?? NOTHING!!!
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I think you are far underestimating how much race is involved.
Do you mean that race is the underlying issue? I'm willing to believe A) I'm naive and B) that I can't articulate very on this topic.....but I do think race is a large portion of the problem but it is much more subconscious than conscious which means the way you fight it (IMO) is not with overarching labels and aggressive language but with more education around exclusivity and diversity generally and not specific to race. While race is definitely part of the problem I think if you go head on most people's reaction is "I'm not racist, I don't hate people, I have African American friends etc etc" and they don't examine all the subtle ways they could be practicing racism.
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I remember the online stink that some in the community I live in made about a Walmart being built, or a Milwaukee County bus line being extended....hell the city even got sued for not wanting low income housing. I fully believe there are some in my city that are overt racists, but I think far more of the issue is the view that somehow the "lower" class(economic not racial) would sully the community which results in people of that class not feeling welcome and feel like they have to "stick to their own". Which going back to my previous paragraph means far fewer minorities.
So the problem isn't that minorities and other "lower class" people are unwelcome, discouraged and blocked from living in certain communities .... but rather that they choose not to live in places where they are unwelcome, discouraged and blocked?
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So the problem isn't that minorities and other "lower class" people are unwelcome, discouraged and blocked from living in certain communities .... but rather that they choose not to live in places where they are unwelcome, discouraged and blocked?
Your first statement is exactly the problem and what I'm saying...not sure where I went wrong that the later was what you thought I was saying
Edit to be very clear:
The problem is that communities are not welcoming to lower class and/or minorities
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Where do Stan Johnson, Chris Carrawell, Jabari Parker, Giannis, etc. live?
I don't think it is the poor neighborhoods. So the issue is not strictly race. It is a combination of race and socioeconomic class.
I'll stop there so I don't drift into politics. Any further discussion would inevitably lead me there and I will respect the mods rules.
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Milwaukee doesn't have a black middle class. Until today's youth realizes that der role models need ta be folks who have achieved via education and not by draggin' der pants on the ground, pushin' pills, suckin' outta a brown paper sack, dribbin' a basketball, makin' babies, and collectin' a welfare check, nothin's gonna change, ai na?
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Your first statement is exactly the problem and what I'm saying...not sure where I went wrong that the later was what you thought I was saying
Edit to be very clear:
The problem is that communities are not welcoming to lower class and/or minorities
Perhaps I misread you? I took your statement to mean you were putting the onus on the minority/lower-class residents to endure the barriers rather than all of us working to remove the barriers.
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Milwaukee doesn't have a black middle class. Until today's youth realizes that der role models need ta be folks who have achieved via education and not by draggin' der pants on the ground, pushin' pills, suckin' outta a brown paper sack, dribbin' a basketball, makin' babies, and collectin' a welfare check, nothin's gonna change, ai na?
Oh, never mind.
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Perhaps I misread you? I took your statement to mean you were putting the onus on the minority/lower-class residents to endure the barriers rather than all of us working to remove the barriers.
My apologizes for the poor writing, the onus is on the communities to remove the barriers.
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My apologizes for the poor writing, the onus is on the communities to remove the barriers.
Got it. My bad for misunderstanding your point.
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Hence my point that he needs to get out more
He needs to... choose to go to more racist places?
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He needs to... choose to go to more racist places?
Feels like your being a little glib here, but I'll bite.
(preface, this is all my opinion)
His statement about Milwaukee's segregation is quantifiable. His statement about racism is qualitative and therefore is subject to experience, context, and opinion. Additionally, declaring a community/city as the most racist place he's ever been is a very significant charge and is essentially like throwing a verbal bomb at the people of that community. If you are going to level that charge, I think you really better have a lot of context and experience behind you to justify it. As I said, I think the majority the inherent racism within the community is either subconcious(lack of understanding/experience) or subtle. Throwing a charge of universal racism at a community is not a very good way to influence either of those groups and create effective change, especially when you lack the context of a broader experience.
Last note, I would encourage everyone to travel outside of their comfort zones....until you see how bad things are you can't get a context for the work that needs to be done and where
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Want to take this discussion in a more MU-centric direction. What will or should be the response should the social activism that Colin Kaepernick, Jabari Parker, etc are engaged in come to Marquette basketball. What if one of Marquette's players wants to knee, sit, or raise a fist during the anthem? How do you think the MU community reacts or how should they react?
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Want to take this discussion in a more MU-centric direction. What will or should be the response should the social activism that Colin Kaepernick, Jabari Parker, etc are engaged in come to Marquette basketball. What if one of Marquette's players wants to knee, sit, or raise a fist during the anthem? How do you think the MU community reacts or how should they react?
Marquette should allow its student-athletes to take whatever expressive action they feel is appropriate during the national anthem. Some alumni may get upset, but its the students' right.
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Nobody will be in their seats anyway so no one will see it.
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Marquette should allow its student-athletes to take whatever expressive action they feel is appropriate during the national anthem. Some alumni may get upset, but its the students' right.
NO, IT IS NOT!!!!!!
The student has rights vis a vi the government. The First Amendment says the government shall make no law abridging freedom of speech... etc.
Marquette is not the government.
Marquette has the right to regulate the behavior of its student athletes as representatives of Marquette, just as my employer would get upset if I said or did something that disparaged the firm or its position. If Marquette deems that it would be offensive to basketball fans to have a bunch of 18 to 22 year old people stick their fist in the air or take a knee, then by all means, it has the right to regulate its student athletes' behavior.
If the student athlete elects not to follow Marquette's rules, then Marquette can remove him from the roster and revoke a scholarship. It's that clear.
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NO, IT IS NOT!!!!!!
The student has rights vis a vi the government. The First Amendment says the government shall make no law abridging freedom of speech... etc.
Marquette is not the government.
Marquette has the right to regulate the behavior of its student athletes as representatives of Marquette, just as my employer would get upset if I said or did something that disparaged the firm or its position. If Marquette deems that it would be offensive to basketball fans to have a bunch of 18 to 22 year old people stick their fist in the air or take a knee, then by all means, it has the right to regulate its student athletes' behavior.
If the student athlete elects not to follow Marquette's rules, then Marquette can remove him from the roster and revoke a scholarship. It's that clear.
You are correct.
But it would be unbelievably stupid to do so.
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So the only way you can be "part of the solution" is to live in a house on 30th and Cherry?
He is paying his property taxes to the City of Milwaukee and MPS, generating his economic activity in the City, etc. That is being part of the solution.
Paying taxes is for looooosers and suckers.
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You are correct.
But it would be unbelievably stupid to do so.
This. Restricting a players free expression is much more damaging than having some grumpy alumni.
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NO, IT IS NOT!!!!!!
The student has rights vis a vi the government. The First Amendment says the government shall make no law abridging freedom of speech... etc.
Marquette is not the government.
Marquette has the right to regulate the behavior of its student athletes as representatives of Marquette, just as my employer would get upset if I said or did something that disparaged the firm or its position. If Marquette deems that it would be offensive to basketball fans to have a bunch of 18 to 22 year old people stick their fist in the air or take a knee, then by all means, it has the right to regulate its student athletes' behavior.
If the student athlete elects not to follow Marquette's rules, then Marquette can remove him from the roster and revoke a scholarship. It's that clear.
Marquette actually has a policy for such things that allows for and even encourages public demonstrations, so long as they aren't "disruptive or unsafe."
Doesn't say anything about banning demonstrations that offend touchy basketball fans.
p.s. Mark Emmert would like a word with you for likening student-athletes to employees and universities to employers.
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Want to take this discussion in a more MU-centric direction. What will or should be the response should the social activism that Colin Kaepernick, Jabari Parker, etc are engaged in come to Marquette basketball. What if one of Marquette's players wants to knee, sit, or raise a fist during the anthem? How do you think the MU community reacts or how should they react?
This is a great question. With the viral video of Buzz Williams and the national anthem, what do you think Buzz would do?
https://www.youtube.com/v/4Qz58jMhDDA
Some good discussion here, much more than race going on. Education, economics also at work. Considerable dollars have been spent in education, questionable returns in some locations. The question is why? Desire? Family structure? Poor teachers? Systemic?
My wife and I are minorities, we do not agree with the current demonstrations. There are better ways. My wife has already told me she is not with her, regarding her vote selection.
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This is a great question. With the viral video of Buzz Williams and the national anthem, what do you think Buzz would do?
https://www.youtube.com/v/4Qz58jMhDDA
Some good discussion here, much more than race going on. Education, economics also at work. Considerable dollars have been spent in education, questionable returns in some locations. The question is why? Desire? Family structure? Poor teachers? Systemic?
My wife and I are minorities, we do not agree with the current demonstrations. There are better ways. My wife has already told me she is not with her, regarding her vote selection.
First part is destroying family connections because of the war on drugs. Biggest waste of money ever that just destroyed the center fabric of inner cities.
As for yours and your partners voting preference, let me quote Jay Cutler when I say "DON'T CARE!!!!!!!!!!!"
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This is a great question. With the viral video of Buzz Williams and the national anthem, what do you think Buzz would do?
https://www.youtube.com/v/4Qz58jMhDDA
Some good discussion here, much more than race going on. Education, economics also at work. Considerable dollars have been spent in education, questionable returns in some locations. The question is why? Desire? Family structure? Poor teachers? Systemic?
My wife and I are minorities, we do not agree with the current demonstrations. There are better ways. My wife has already told me she is not with her, regarding her vote selection.
Color me stunned Buzz filmed all of this professionally, and distributed it to anyone reporter willing to write a story on it.
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Color me stunned Buzz filmed all of this professionally, and distributed it to anyone reporter willing to write a story on it.
This. People are such suckers.
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NO, IT IS NOT!!!!!!
If the student athlete elects not to follow Marquette's rules, then Marquette can remove him from the roster and revoke a scholarship. It's that clear.
Not only would this be silly and counterproductive, what if the entire team agreed to do this? Bench 'em all and forfeit the games? Why? Because students at a university were making peaceful attempts at social consciousness?
Yeah, that would be smart.
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Marquette actually has a policy for such things that allows for and even encourages public demonstrations, so long as they aren't "disruptive or unsafe."
Doesn't say anything about banning demonstrations that offend touchy basketball fans.
p.s. Mark Emmert would like a word with you for likening student-athletes to employees and universities to employers.
Mark Emmert would like me even less if he knew I advocated taxing athletic scholarships on grounds that student athletes are employees. What they are paid is called a barter transaction in the tax world.
As for the demonstrations, I think there are better places to show was displeasure with the policies of government. Like, say, the halls of Congress or in the State Legislature.
P.S. -- I'm not a right wing nutcase. I just think there is a time and a place for everything and I don't think you embarrass your employer.
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Mark Emmert would like me even less if he knew I advocated taxing athletic scholarships on grounds that student athletes are employees. What they are paid is called a barter transaction in the tax world.
As for the demonstrations, I think there are better places to show was displeasure with the policies of government. Like, say, the halls of Congress or in the State Legislature.
P.S. -- I'm not a right wing nutcase. I just think there is a time and a place for everything and I don't think you embarrass your employer.
Maybe the don't find it embarrassing? Food for thought.
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Mark Emmert would like me even less if he knew I advocated taxing athletic scholarships on grounds that student athletes are employees. What they are paid is called a barter transaction in the tax world.
Scholarships up to the cost of attendance are considered tax free income. Might want to bone up on your tax knowledge.
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Mark Emmert would like me even less if he knew I advocated taxing athletic scholarships on grounds that student athletes are employees. What they are paid is called a barter transaction in the tax world.
As for the demonstrations, I think there are better places to show was displeasure with the policies of government. Like, say, the halls of Congress or in the State Legislature.
P.S. -- I'm not a right wing nutcase. I just think there is a time and a place for everything and I don't think you embarrass your employer.
Effective demonstrations are always done in the most proper manner possible.
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Scholarships up to the cost of attendance are considered tax free income. Might want to bone up on your tax knowledge.
I will if you bone up on your English. I merely pointed out that I advocated that the Congress and the IRS take a specific position on athletic scholarships. I did not argue that this is part of the Internal Revenue Code.
The Code may not formally recognize it, but receiving scholarship compensation in return for performing on a basketball court for a university is, in the strictest sense, a barter transaction. Period.
I recognize this is a losing proposition.
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Scholarships of all types come with requirements. Athletic scholarships are no different.
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I think we can all agree, if a protest from a basketball should happen Marquette will likely handle it in the worst way possible
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First part is destroying family connections because of the war on drugs. Biggest waste of money ever that just destroyed the center fabric of inner cities.
Agree that the war on drugs finished the deal but the Great Society and the war on poverty started it. Beware of war, whether foreign or domestic - lots of casualties.
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I think we can all agree, if a protest from a basketball should happen Marquette will likely handle it in the worst way possible
no doubt!
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Look dude, cities have had similar problems ever since cities have existed. The idea that this is simply because there is a Democratic mayor is talk show pablum for the WOW counties.
DATA does not fit preconceived belief system.....MUST IGNORE
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I think we can all agree, if a protest from a basketball should happen Marquette will likely handle it in the worst way possible
I would anticipate a prompt name change to the Marquette University Stars and Stripes.
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I would anticipate a prompt name change to the Marquette University Stars and Stripes.
Followed immediately by a retraction and the initiation of a voting process to select several songs to play before the game that were patriotic but wasn't the national anthem and refusing to count any votes for the national anthem
*hoping everyone realizes I'm trying to make a joke on the nickname disaster.
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Want to take this discussion in a more MU-centric direction. What will or should be the response should the social activism that Colin Kaepernick, Jabari Parker, etc are engaged in come to Marquette basketball. What if one of Marquette's players wants to knee, sit, or raise a fist during the anthem? How do you think the MU community reacts or how should they react?
Many of us remember just such an action/protest by an MU player: Gary "Goose" Brell used to look down and away from the flag during the playing of the national anthem. As many of us had just come from times when many youth (white and black) protested the vietnam war...Gary's national anthem "protest" caused barely a stir.
http://www.beloitdailynews.com/sports/goose-had-his-own-issues-with-the-national-anthem/article_fdcb4374-7a8f-11e6-a38f-17c395be9823.html
We are in a different era now...and are not recalling of historical protests during the 60s and 70s
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"Very bluntly, Milwaukee is the most segregated, racist place I’ve ever experienced in my life. It just is a place that is antiquated. It is in desperate need of repair and has happened for a long, long time. One of our messages and one of our goals is to lead by example.”
http://deadspin.com/bucks-president-milwaukee-is-the-most-segregated-rac-1787121559
I guess you could say the same for the NBA: Our own Butch Lee was the first Latino in the league.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_NBA
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I guess you could say the same for the NBA: Our own Butch Lee was the first Latino in the league.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_NBA
Are you saying the NBA refused to sign Latino players on the basis of their ethnicity?
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Are you saying the NBA refused to sign Latino players on the basis of their ethnicity?
To go a step further on this, are you saying Milwaukee can't be racist because we produced the first Latino NBA player? I just don't see the connection to the OT.
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Are you saying the NBA refused to sign Latino players on the basis of their ethnicity?
Not at all, it was just surprising to see that Butch was the first latino to make the league and it took until 1977 for that to happen. My point as to the OT: just because the NBA is 70+ percent black make it segregated or racist; is the NHL racist; simply based on demographics. I guess racism is in the eye of the beholder.
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Are you saying the NBA refused to sign Latino players on the basis of their ethnicity?
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You're kidding me right? Your argument is if the people of color don't like it they should move? Also not taking into account the radical difference in socio-economic status between different races that could be be barriers to moving. The fact that it would mean leaving friends, family, and community behind. The fact that it is a challenge to be one of the only person who looks like you in a neighborhood which would be a reality in the suburbs.
The answer to an area being racist isn't have all the minorities leave. The answer is for all the racists to stop being racist.
Ok, I'm going to say what many here are afraid to say-they are largely responsible for their own "backyards". Gee, rioting, looting and burning up your own stores and businesses surely (I know I know) will get your point across. Not to mention robbing and killing your own neighbors. Yeah, I'm going to invest and hang my shingle there
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Ok, I'm going to say what many here are afraid to say-they are largely responsible for their own "backyards". Gee, rioting, looting and burning up your own stores and businesses surely (I know I know) will get your point across. Not to mention robbing and killing your own neighbors. Yeah, I'm going to invest and hang my shingle there
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Not at all, it was just surprising to see that Butch was the first latino to make the league and it took until 1977 for that to happen. My point as to the OT: just because the NBA is 70+ percent black make it segregated or racist; is the NHL racist; simply based on demographics. I guess racism is in the eye of the beholder.
Are you seriously paralleling housing segregation in Milwaukee with NBA and NHL rosters?
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When you were a child feeling aggrieved by your parents' misunderstanding and iron fist rule, did you ever tear up your room when you were grounded? If so, was it rational? Clear headed? Frustration boiling over at the nearest target? Did your parents shrug their shoulders and not care much since you were destroying your own stuff?
If I did feel agrieved to the point where I tore up my room, I don't remember a specific incident, but if I did, I got my ass kicked and the agrieving left me pretty quickly. Ya see here golden, there were consequences to my torn up room and they weren't pleasant so the action was not repeated.
I remember one time I was going to show them and run away from home...no one came looking for me, so I just returned home and no, I didn't proceed to tear up my room, cuz remember what happened last time.
Check out the rap sheets of some of these people. They are disgustingly long and that's only counting when they are adults, that kiddy stuff, well, I guess it doesn't count, until they kill someone? No consequences
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Are you seriously paralleling housing segregation in Milwaukee with NBA and NHL rosters?
Are you telling me people are banned from living in any neighborhood in Milwaukee? If your talking economics, my monthly expenses to live in my 3100 sq ft home on a half acre lot here in New Jersey would cover the monthly rent of a 1 room studio apartment in Manhattan. I guess segregated housing is in the eye of the beholder.
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Are you telling me people are banned from living in any neighborhood in Milwaukee? If your talking economics, my monthly expenses to live in my 3100 sq ft home on a half acre lot here in New Jersey would cover the monthly rent of a 1 room studio apartment in Manhattan. I guess segregated housing is in the eye of the beholder.
Overt segregation is largely dead in Milwaukee (though one could find instances if they knew what to look for). However subtle segregation is alive and well in the Milwaukee area. The suburban areas repeatedly fight services and housing opportunities that might afford lower class individuals an opportunity to move into their communities as well as fostering a culture that would make minorities or underprivileged individuals uncomfortable.
Take for instance mortgage generation, the algorithms used to determine if a couple should be given a mortgage have built in biases that prevent low income and minority families from accessing mortgages that are affordable in desirable communities. Certainly some is unintentional because most people don't understand data but that doesn't make it any less impactful.
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Waukesha county was out of our reach financially so we ended up in Greenfield. Little did I realize then it was racism that forced that decision.