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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: muwarrior69 on February 13, 2023, 08:34:34 PM
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Just breaking
https://www.foxnews.com/us/michigan-state-university-issues-shelter-place-order-shots-fired-campus
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Just breaking
https://www.foxnews.com/us/michigan-state-university-issues-shelter-place-order-shots-fired-campus
Had a family member who was on campus . Was so happy to hear from him that he was able to evacuate the area.
Hopefully no one is hurt .
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Hope all remains good for your family member, Herman.
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https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1625325587014328320?t=J9mNn0Nsa-Cv9S5Y99a45Q&s=19
Thread
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Had a family member who was on campus . Was so happy to hear from him that he was able to evacuate the area.
Hopefully no one is hurt .
Wow. I'm glad he's okay Herman.
Hopefully they get the scumbag ASAP.
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Everything cancelled for at least the next 48 hours.
Including the Minny vs MSU game wednesday.
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Survivors of the Oxford shooting attend MSU. This happens on the eve of the 5-year anniversary of Parkland.
This only happens on a regular basis in America. Hmmm, wonder what’s different here than other developed nations.
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3 dead. 5 critically wounded. Shooter dead of self-inflicted gunshot. Shooter is a 46 year old black male who is not affiliated with the university. Shooting started in the Sociology building. No word on possible motive.
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Imagine being a former Oxford high school student who went through that shooting and is now attending MSU.
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Imagine being a former Oxford high school student who went through that shooting and is now attending MSU.
They got to experience our freedoms twice!
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They got to experience our freedoms twice!
you're an idiot!
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What a terrible state we’re in that my response to hearing the numbers for a shooting on a college campus is, at least it’s only 3 dead.”
Long overdue for common sense laws. But we all know guns>lives in this country.
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you're an idiot!
Someone doesn't understand irony. Which isn't really surprising since "science" and "grammar" also seem problematic.
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Someone doesn't understand irony. Which isn't really surprising since "science" and "grammar" also seem problematic.
I prayed. Things are fine now
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I prayed. Things are fine now
I thought. Between the two of us, we fixed everything.
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Look if these students all just brought guns to casually study on a Monday night we'd avoid this.
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Look if these students all just brought guns to casually study on a Monday night we'd avoid this.
Right. At this point, it really is the victim's fault. They know how easy guns are to get in this country, yet they stubbornly refuse to do so. SMH...
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Survivors of the Oxford shooting attend MSU. This happens on the eve of the 5-year anniversary of Parkland.
This only happens on a regular basis in America. Hmmm, wonder what’s different here than other developed nations.
More evil people?
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Look if these students all just brought guns to casually study on a Monday night we'd avoid this.
It’s a gun free zone. That’s the culprit. And doors. Mental health, too. Also, it’s part of God’s plan.
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Student account:
https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1625469604020494336
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Sounds like most of you are for a blanket gun ban and could have solved this tragedy and others if you were in charge.
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Gun bans still don't address sick-minded, deranged, humans, aina?
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Gun bans still don't address sick-minded, deranged, humans, aina?
No, but you do realize how much more quickly a gun can kill multiple people, right?
Would you rather go up against a sick-minded, deranged human with a gun or one with a knife.
I'll hang up and listen.
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The Parkland shooting was 5 years ago today. What we've learned in that time is if we want our elementary-school, middle-school, high-school and college kids to be safe, all of 'em have to be packing.
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Sounds like most of you are for a blanket gun ban and could have solved this tragedy and others if you were in charge.
Except for hunting rifles and shot guns, yeah, why not? Why do people need guns?
It'd make our LEOs more safe, and eliminate a lot of crime/suicides... right?
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Fookin' bombs are pretty effective too and any idiot can learn how to make one on the internet. None of this insanity stops until politicians and lawmakers crack down on the perpetrators, hey?
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Sounds like most of you are for a blanket gun ban and could have solved this tragedy and others if you were in charge.
Nope. Think again.
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Fookin' bombs are pretty effective too and any idiot can learn how to make one on the internet. None of this insanity stops until politicians and lawmakers crack down on the perpetrators, hey?
Hasn’t worked so far, hey? Lock ‘em all up has been working great. I’ll stick with praying
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Fookin' bombs are pretty effective too and any idiot can learn how to make one on the internet. None of this insanity stops until politicians and lawmakers crack down on the perpetrators, hey?
Right. Because everyone who commits a mass shooting has a reason to be cracked down on right?
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Except for hunting rifles and shot guns, yeah, why not? Why do people need guns?
It'd make our LEOs more safe, and eliminate a lot of crime/suicides... right?
So you don't believe in the 2nd Amendment which is absolutely fine. We have a cultural and societal problem that is extremely disturbing and it's multifaceted. From the little I've read this particular person was jailed for a prior gun charge. The fact that he was released and somehow got a gun is very, very, troubling and worth discussing. We need to find a way to calibrate laws to keep disturbed and evil people from acquiring guns. We absolutely have to make background checks far more stringent and thwart illegal gun access as well.
Now, as far as why should anyone "need a gun" this is a argument that it not practical or winnable in the United States and is antithetical to our constitution. I am not a gun owner and have no interest whatsoever. I find gun enthusiasts, those that own arsenals and brag about them, extremely distasteful. That said I also know many lawful gun owners, including single women raising children. I don't think I have the right Hands to tell her she can't protect herself and feel safe.
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Hasn’t worked so far, hey? Lock ‘em all up has been working great. I’ll stick with praying
Yep, it's all part of God's plan. Those kids gunned down in Sandy Hook? God wanted them all as little angels up in heaven.
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So you don't believe in the 2nd Amendment which is absolutely fine. We have a cultural and societal problem that is extremely disturbing and it's multifaceted. From the little I've read this particular person was jailed for a prior gun charge. The fact that he was released and somehow got a gun is very, very, troubling and worth discussing. We need to find a way to calibrate laws to keep disturbed and evil people from acquiring guns. We absolutely have to make background checks far more stringent and thwart illegal gun access as well.
Now, as far as why should anyone "need a gun" this is a argument that it not practical or winnable in the United States and is antithetical to our constitution. I am not a gun owner and have no interest whatsoever. I find gun enthusiasts, those that own arsenals and brag about them, extremely distasteful. That said I also know many lawful gun owners, including single women raising children. I don't think I have the right Hands to tell her she can't protect herself and feel safe.
Sure, I believe in the second amendment. But that doesn't extend to every weapon. You can't possess an M60 or an RPG legally. You're missing something important called nuance.
Furthermore, a really dumb conservative talking point is that we have, "cultural and societal problems" or we have a, "mental health crisis". Okay cool. But when it comes time to fund programs to address those problems the answer is always no.
I just don't think that the founders of this country had any idea what guns would become. They were very fallible men, and hoped that the country that they created would adjust the rules as times changed. But they were wrong. We're stupid.
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Fookin' bombs are pretty effective too and any idiot can learn how to make one on the internet. None of this insanity stops until politicians and lawmakers crack down on the perpetrators, hey?
So then I assume guns and bombs kill the same amount of people in America, hey?
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So you don't believe in the 2nd Amendment which is absolutely fine. We have a cultural and societal problem that is extremely disturbing and it's multifaceted. From the little I've read this particular person was jailed for a prior gun charge. The fact thaf he was released and somehow got a gun is very, very, troubling and worth discussing. We need to find a way to calibrate laws to keep disturbed and evil people from acquiring guns. We absolutely have to make background checks far more stringent and thwart illegal gun access as well.
Now, as far as why should anyone "need a gun" this is a argument that it not practical or winnable in the United States and is antithetical to our constitution. I am not a gun owner and have no interest whatsoever. I find gun enthusiasts, those that own arsenals and brag about them, extremely distasteful. That said I also know many lawful gun owners, including single women raising children. I don't think I have the right Hands to tell her she can't protect herself and feel safe.
I believe it is not 1791. And I believe single shot muskets are no longer the gun of choice.
I also believe the National Defense Act by Congress of 1916 modernized the 1791 amendment that was written for militias against foreign invasion and insurrection.
I also believe the 2nd amendment was intentionally not written in the same way as the 1st amendment.
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Fookin' bombs are pretty effective too and any idiot can learn how to make one on the internet. None of this insanity stops until politicians and lawmakers crack down on the perpetrators, hey?
Didn't you say this about a first grader that shot their teacher not long ago?
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Sure, I believe in the second amendment. But that doesn't extend to every weapon. You can't possess an M60 or an RPG legally. You're missing something important called nuance.
Furthermore, a really dumb conservative talking point is that we have, "cultural and societal problems" or we have a, "mental health crisis". Okay cool. But when it comes time to fund programs to address those problems the answer is always no.
I just don't think that the founders of this country had any idea what guns would become. They were very fallible men, and hoped that the country that they created would adjust the rules as times changed. But they were wrong. We're stupid.
I actually do think we have a "cultural and societal problem" just not the one that is often peddled at times like this. We have a problem with gun culture in this country. There is a country-wide fascination and a reverence for them that just doesn't exist in other countries. I watch my sister's kid who just turned five and everything is already a gun to him. He picks up a stick? It's a gun. He picks up a fork? It's a gun. He picks up my daughter's doll? It's a gun. Nothing to pick up? His fingers are guns. And this isn't new behavior, I think it's been going on for at least a year now. Now every little boy who is obsessed with guns doesn't grow up to be a shooter or even a gun owner, but I don't think that can be healthy.
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Right. Because everyone who commits a mass shooting has a reason to be cracked down on right?
Add in mental health issues as well, hey?
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Add in mental health issues as well, hey?
If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball.
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Gun bans still don't address sick-minded, deranged, humans, aina?
Weird that mental illness apparently doesn't exist in other developed nations huh, Biff.
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Fookin' bombs are pretty effective too and any idiot can learn how to make one on the internet. None of this insanity stops until politicians and lawmakers crack down on the perpetrators, hey?
Pure, unadulterated comedy.
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Add in mental health issues as well, hey?
Sure. Now add significant funding to deal with mental health issues. Let's put several social workers on every metro police force. Let's enact red-flag laws that keep guns out of the hands of those exhibiting signs of mental health issues. Let's put a team of child psychologists in every school district. Let's do those things and more to address this issue that you obviously consider crucial.
Or let's not really want to spend the money, let's not really want to aid the police, let's not really want to make our schools safer, and let's not really want to change gun laws at all ... but let's keep mentioning "mental health issues" because that makes it sound A-OK that there are way more guns than people in America.
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you're an idiot!
Why do you think it is the gun violence and mass shootings occur at this level year after year after year in the United States and not in other wealthy, developed nations?
Would love to hear it. Mental illness is not exclusive to the United States. Poverty is not exclusive to the United States. Violent video games and programming are not exclusive to the United States. But this level of gun violence sure f*cking is.
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Money isn't the issue. Hell, fookin' Evers wants to spent $290 mil on enhancing Am Fam Field. Politicians, on both sides of the aisle, sell out for the vote and that's where this all starts and should end, hey?
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Money isn't the issue. Hell, fookin' Evers wants to spent $290 mil on enhancing Am Fam Field. Politicians, on both sides of the aisle, sell out for the vote and that's where this all starts and should end, hey?
We need politicians to start selling out to mental health interests instead of gun interests then
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https://twitter.com/highbrow_nobrow/status/1625520948320301056?s=46&t=9MU3QaVfXJhiPHwkI8bz7Q
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I believe it is not 1791. And I believe single shot muskets are no longer the gun of choice.
I also believe the National Defense Act by Congress of 1916 modernized the 1791 amendment that was written for militias against foreign invasion and insurrection.
I also believe the 2nd amendment was intentionally not written in the same way as the 1st amendment.
Should a single mom or young woman living in a violent neighborhood or in the middle of nowhere have the right to protect herself? And as far as the potential government going tyrannical are you saying that's no longer conceivable? Was it conceivable in Europe less than 100 yrs ago?
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Money isn't the issue. Hell, fookin' Evers wants to spent $290 mil on enhancing Am Fam Field. Politicians, on both sides of the aisle, sell out for the vote and that's where this all starts and should end, hey?
In agreement again. They sell out for the NRA vote and that's how you end up with archaic laws, and interest groups succeeding in pushing archaic interpretations of archaic laws (take an actual read of 2A sometime).
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Should a single mom or young woman living in a violent neighborhood or in the middle of nowhere have the right to protect herself? And as far as the potential government going tyrannical are you saying that's no longer conceivable? Was it conceivable in Europe less than 100 yrs ago?
Baseball bat, taser, knife, mace, security alarms, hammer, shall I continue or is gun the only method a person can use to defend themselves?
The idea of a tyrannical government in this day and age is highly subjective one side thinks anyone who suggests any social program is tyrannical and the other thinks anyone who supports an insurrection to overthrow a freely elected official or even say kidnapping a freely elected official is tyrannical so supporting this use case of fighting against a tyrannical government is more likely to lead to civil war than what you're indicating.
No, in Europe less than 100yrs ago there was still very much the threat of tyrannical government people just didn't do anything because they were so scarred from WW1
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https://twitter.com/highbrow_nobrow/status/1625520948320301056?s=46&t=9MU3QaVfXJhiPHwkI8bz7Q
That’s awful. I can’t imagine the mental toll this takes on students.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/WUTangKids/status/1625341498127527937/photo/1
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Should a single mom or young woman living in a violent neighborhood or in the middle of nowhere have the right to protect herself? And as far as the potential government going tyrannical are you saying that's no longer conceivable? Was it conceivable in Europe less than 100 yrs ago?
If the government goes tyrannical, JimBob and his AR-15 ain't going to stop it. They have drones and tanks and missiles and bombers and armored vehicles and rocket launchers.
And, if we're being honest, many of the people clutching their guns in this country today are pro-totalitarianism.
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And, if we're being honest, many of the people clutching their guns in this country today are pro-totalitarianism.
Well as long as its no regulations totalitarianism (except women's bodies, marriage, history classes, science classes, gender, or who can protest) because if there's any social programs... then its death to those commie bastards!
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If the government goes tyrannical, JimBob and his AR-15 ain't going to stop it. They have drones and tanks and missiles and bombers and armored vehicles and rocket launchers.
And, if we're being honest, many of the people clutching their guns in this country today are pro-totalitarianism.
Do we need a Scoop balloon for spying?
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That’s awful. I can’t imagine the mental toll this takes on students.
I hope the politicians taking Xmas photos with their AR-15’s and assorted other weapons don’t have her on any mailing list
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Baseball bat, taser, knife, mace, security alarms, hammer, shall I continue or is gun the only method a person can use to defend themselves?
The idea of a tyrannical government in this day and age is highly subjective one side thinks anyone who suggests any social program is tyrannical and the other thinks anyone who supports an insurrection to overthrow a freely elected official or even say kidnapping a freely elected official is tyrannical so supporting this use case of fighting against a tyrannical government is more likely to lead to civil war than what you're indicating.
No, in Europe less than 100yrs ago there was still very much the threat of tyrannical government people just didn't do anything because they were so scarred from WW1
I'm not tell a single woman in a dangerous neighborhood that she cannot use a legal hard gun to defend herself or her children when she is threatened by violence, including guns. This honestly sounds like a Joe Biden "shoot then in the leg" response.
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I'm not tell a single woman in a dangerous neighborhood that she cannot use a legal hard gun to defend herself or her children when she is threatened by violence, including guns. This honestly sounds like a Joe Biden "shoot then in the leg" response.
Not really, I'm all for swinging for the head if need be. But I'd prefer that that single mothers child doesn't find access to a gun, especially given she must be stretched thin as is so it'd be easy to lose track of a child's activities and is raising a child in a rough neighborhood which puts the child at the whim of external forces who would just love for them to grab said gun.
A lot is said on here about city violence, well that violence is predominantly coming from single family, low income, and raised in a violent environment individuals. So sure let's add an accessible gun to tempt that kid to become another statistic.
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Not really, I'm all for swinging for the head if need be. But I'd prefer that that single mothers child doesn't find access to a gun, especially given she must be stretched thin as is so it'd be easy to lose track of a child's activities and is raising a child in a rough neighborhood which puts the child at the whim of external forces who would just love for them to grab said gun.
A lot is said on here about city violence, well that violence is predominantly coming from single family, low income, and raised in a violent environment individuals. So sure let's add an accessible gun to tempt that kid to become another statistic.
Galway,
If your sister, cousin, friend, niece, whatever lived by herself in various places in NY, Chi. DC, Minneapolis, etc, and felt more comfortable protecting herself with a gun, trained and got a permit, you would tell them not to? That she should get mace? That statistically she'll be okay? I find this extremely difficult to believe.
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I'm not tell a single woman in a dangerous neighborhood that she cannot use a legal hard gun to defend herself or her children when she is threatened by violence, including guns. This honestly sounds like a Joe Biden "shoot then in the leg" response.
I can't speak for Galway or others, but I'm all for a single mother in a dangerous neighborhood having a legal gun to defend herself. After she has registered it, received training on how to use it, and has bought a vault to lock it away from the kids so that one of them doesn't accidentally shoot a sibling. If it's later discovered that she didn't lock up her gun, she should have her children taken from her because she has failed in her duty to protect them.
Not being for those things honestly sounds like a (insert Republican name here) "I love my guns more than my own kids" response.
Money isn't the issue. Hell, fookin' Evers wants to spent $290 mil on enhancing Am Fam Field. Politicians, on both sides of the aisle, sell out for the vote and that's where this all starts and should end, hey?
Sounds like you agree with me on the policies I mentioned to address the mental health issues you keep citing.
Now, which politicians are selling out to those who want guns everywhere while not doing anything about mental health issues? I hope you will join me in voting against all of them. It's great to have consensus on this, Doc. Thanks!
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I can't speak for Galway or others, but I'm all for a single mother in a dangerous neighborhood having a legal gun to defend herself. After she has registered it, received training on how to use it, and has bought a vault to lock it away from the kids so that one of them doesn't accidentally shoot a sibling. If it's later discovered that she didn't lock up her gun, she should have her children taken from her because she has failed in her duty to protect them.
Not being for those things honestly sounds like a (insert Republican name here) "I love my guns more than my own kids" response.
Sounds like you agree with me on the policies I mentioned to address the mental health issues you keep citing.
Now, which politicians are selling out to those who want guns everywhere while not doing anything about mental health issues? I hope you will join me in voting against all of them. It's great to have consensus on this, Doc. Thanks!
I don't disagree with that. Again, I think it's important to include lawful female gun owners specifically in this discussion. Do people really want to take their guns away? What percentage of legal female gun owners commit murder or violent crime? I'm guessing it's quite small. Now yes, your example has happened and an irresponsible gun owner in that case should be punished. On the flipside how many times has a woman who legally owns a firearm used it to thwart violent acts? I'm simply not going to tell law abiding female gun owners, who deal with scumbags regularly, that they do not have a right to defend themselves.
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I don't disagree with that. Again, I think it's important to include lawful female gun owners specifically in this discussion. Do people really want to take their guns away? What percentage of legal female gun owners commit murder or violent crime? I'm guessing it's quite small. Now yes, your example has happened and an irresponsible gun owner in that case should be punished. On the flipside how many times has a woman who legally owns a firearm used it to thwart violent acts? I'm simply not going to tell law abiding female gun owners, who deal with scumbags regularly, that they do not have a right to defend themselves.
This is quite the little fantasy you have concocted
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I'm just damn glad Paul Pelosi didn't have a handgun around his house. Better for an 80+ year old man to get smashed over the head a couple of times with a hammer than keep a weapon under the bed
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Galway,
If your sister, cousin, friend, niece, whatever lived by herself in various places in NY, Chi. DC, Minneapolis, etc, and felt more comfortable protecting herself with a gun, trained and got a permit, you would tell them not to? That she should get mace? That statistically she'll be okay? I find this extremely difficult to believe.
You mean like my sister who lived as a single mother just across the west side border from Chicago? told her to take a self defense class she did, got her mace, and a self defense key chain. She survived just fine used the mace once. Wasn't till she moved out to gun crazy AZ that she wanted a cute pink handgun. I notice you only list US cities, why? You know I have family overseas but didn't mention Dublin or London etc. why is that? What could be different here that a person would feel the requirement to have a gun vs over there?
I'm anti gun, that's well documented on here. I wont fight the need for hunting weapons and such because I respect the culture difference but inherently I'm anti gun. The "good person with a gun" mantra is a joke. This guy was a personal friend, teammate, licensed P.I. And responsible gun own owner... until he wasn't. https://abc7chicago.com/river-forest-police-shooting/845068/
And that's it in a nutshell, I don't trust "good" people with guns regardless of gender, because at the end of the day the fallacy is that everyone's a "good person with a gun" till they had a bad day then it's a "mental health crisis" and shouldn't have ever had access to begin with.
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I don't disagree with that. Again, I think it's important to include lawful female gun owners specifically in this discussion. Do people really want to take their guns away? What percentage of legal female gun owners commit murder or violent crime? I'm guessing it's quite small. Now yes, your example has happened and an irresponsible gun owner in that case should be punished. On the flipside how many times has a woman who legally owns a firearm used it to thwart violent acts? I'm simply not going to tell law abiding female gun owners, who deal with scumbags regularly, that they do not have a right to defend themselves.
fine discussions but this has no bearing on school shootings but scoop on
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On the flipside how many times has a woman who legally owns a firearm used it to thwart violent acts? I'm simply not going to tell law abiding female gun owners, who deal with scumbags regularly, that they do not have a right to defend themselves.
Rarely do women (or men, for that matter) use firearms to thwart attacks. It's much more common that they get shot with their own gun or by someone who lives in the house who also has a gun.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/07/guns-handguns-safety-homicide-killing-study
In particular, the researchers found, people who lived with handgun owners had a much higher rate of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner. The vast majority of such victims, 84%, were women, they said.
Living with a handgun owner particularly increased the risk of being shot to death in a domestic violence incident, and it did not provide any protection against being killed at home by a stranger, the researchers found.
Despite that, I have no problem with people of any gender having guns to protect themselves and their families, as long as they buy the guns legally, have no mental health issues, are trained how to use the guns, and keep the kids from getting at the guns. Not sure why any reasonable person would dispute any of those caveats.
Although I don't own guns myself, I am not opposed to the 2nd Amendment. I do happen agree with the many court rulings that government has the ability to set limits on the freedom to bear arms, some of which have already been discussed in this thread.
The whole, "protect ourselves from a tyrannical government" thing is a boondoggle. We all should be much more concerned about heavily armed domestic terrorists who let themselves be conned by demagogues.
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Should a single mom or young woman living in a violent neighborhood or in the middle of nowhere have the right to protect herself? And as far as the potential government going tyrannical are you saying that's no longer conceivable? Was it conceivable in Europe less than 100 yrs ago?
I would share facts, data, studies, and credible info with Women as to why it’s safer for them to not have one.
Muggsy’s Musket is not the strategy I would use against tyranny or foreign invasion.
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I'm just damn glad Paul Pelosi didn't have a handgun around his house.
Me too. He likely would have been overpowered by the perpetrator and then shot with his own gun.
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I'm just damn glad Paul Pelosi didn't have a handgun around his house. Better for an 80+ year old man to get smashed over the head a couple of times with a hammer than keep a weapon under the bed
Good call. The guy who survived the attack because it was NOT a that was used against him.
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These are the faces of freedom
https://www.yahoo.com/news/2-michigan-state-university-shooting-185752143.html
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Again, it sounds like most of you want a blanket gun ban, go batcrap crazy over a school shooting, but couldn't give a flying f about gun deaths by handguns in our major cities that happen every weekend. And you have zero solutions as well.
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Again, it sounds like most of you want a blanket gun ban, go batcrap crazy over a school shooting, but couldn't give a flying f about gun deaths by handguns in our major cities that happen every weekend. And you have zero solutions as well.
Yes, get rid of those guns, too. Get rid of all guns. Imagine all the uses for them? All the jobs we could create melting them down and making them into something new?
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Again, it sounds like most of you want a blanket gun ban, go batcrap crazy over a school shooting, but couldn't give a flying f about gun deaths by handguns in our major cities that happen every weekend. And you have zero solutions as well.
What a nonsense statement. Pay attention and read to what people are saying instead of parroting dumbass talking points and jumping to ridiculous conclusions.
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Yes, get rid of those guns, too. Get rid of all guns. Imagine all the uses for them? All the jobs we could create melting them down and making them into something new?
You prove Muggsy's post.
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Again, it sounds like most of you want a blanket gun ban, go batcrap crazy over a school shooting, but couldn't give a flying f about gun deaths by handguns in our major cities that happen every weekend. And you have zero solutions as well.
Here you go Muggsy, some more victims of freedom. Chicago homicide victims from guns. Statistics to most and a great political talking point for people who say there are no solutions and what about Chicago? Now that you know the victims of what about Chicago, hope that helps
https://graphics.suntimes.com/homicides/
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You prove Muggsy's post.
Ridiculousness demands ridiculousness
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Again, it sounds like most of you want a blanket gun ban, NO
go batcrap crazy over a school shooting YES AS ANY DECENT PERSON WOULD
but couldn't give a flying f about gun deaths by handguns in our major cities that happen every weekend NO
And you have zero solutions as well. THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS IDEAS FLOATED IN THE NUMEROUS THREADS THAT OCCUR AFTER EVERY MASS SHOOTING. THEY ARE RIDICULOUSLY KNOCKED DOWN BY THOSE ON THE RIGHT BECAUSE THEY WOULDN’T PREVENT EVERY SHOOTING
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Ridiculousness demands ridiculousness
You've got your schtick down perfect.
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Here you go Muggsy, some more victims of freedom. Chicago homicide victims from guns. Statistics to most and a great political talking point for people who say there are no solutions and what about Chicago? Now that you know the victims of what about Chicago, hope that helps
https://graphics.suntimes.com/homicides/
It's not a talking point. Not a single thread here about gun violence and "solutions" has ever been started after a weekend of horrific killings in any of our major cities.
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Again, it sounds like most of you want a blanket gun ban, go batcrap crazy over a school shooting, but couldn't give a flying f about gun deaths by handguns in our major cities that happen every weekend. And you have zero solutions as well.
You've had I believe everyone in this thread state that they are not for a blanket gun ban. They do go batcrap crazy over a school shooting because that is a rational response to someone murdering children or college students. No one has said they don't give an f about gun death by handguns in our major cities that happen every weekend. They have also offered multiple solutions. None of them are cure alls but all of them would be positive steps in the right direction that have the potential to save thousands of lives.
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It's not a talking point. Not a single thread here about gun violence and "solutions" has ever been started after a weekend of horrific killings in any of our major cities.
You are the starter of probably the majority of threads here. Maybe take it upon yourself to start the conversation. Of course, you don’t have a real interest in having that conversation so I won’t hold my breath.
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It's not a talking point. Not a single thread here about gun violence and "solutions" has ever been started after a weekend of horrific killings in any of our major cities.
Actually, that’s incorrect. They have been started
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Again, it sounds like most of you want a blanket gun ban, go batcrap crazy over a school shooting, but couldn't give a flying f about gun deaths by handguns in our major cities that happen every weekend. And you have zero solutions as well.
I support school shootings. A perfect example of using guns for the purpose they were manufactured for.
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I support school shootings. A perfect example of using guns for the purpose they were manufactured for.
Factually correct. Guns were made to kill
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Again, it sounds like most of you want a blanket gun ban, go batcrap crazy over a school shooting, but couldn't give a flying f about gun deaths by handguns in our major cities that happen every weekend. And you have zero solutions as well.
This is a ludicrous statement.
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You've had I believe everyone in this thread state that they are not for a blanket gun ban. They do go batcrap crazy over a school shooting because that is a rational response to someone murdering children or college students. No one has said they don't give an f about gun death by handguns in our major cities that happen every weekend. They have also offered multiple solutions. None of them are cure alls but all of them would be positive steps in the right direction that have the potential to save thousands of lives.
Right. If Democrats win every election we wouldn't have any gun problems. That's essentially their "solutions". There is no mention whatsoever of what laws we specifically have right now that could have prevented the vast majority of these terrible tragedies.
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Right. If Democrats win every election we wouldn't have any gun problems. That's essentially their "solutions". There is no mention whatsoever of what laws we specifically have right now that could have prevented the vast majority of these terrible tragedies.
Another ludicrous post. At least you're consistent.
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Right. If Democrats win every election we wouldn't have any gun problems. That's essentially their "solutions". There is no mention whatsoever of what laws we specifically have right now that could have prevented the vast majority of these terrible tragedies.
I’ve offered solutions. They include:
1. Doors
2. Arming fetuses so they understand the feel of the gun when they enter the world
3. Doors with guns
4. Teachers with guns
5. Locking up people with mental health issues and throwing away the key
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Right. If Democrats win every election we wouldn't have any gun problems. That's essentially their "solutions". There is no mention whatsoever of what laws we specifically have right now that could have prevented the vast majority of these terrible tragedies.
The fact that you actually believe this is mind-boggling.
I asked Rocket Surgeon the question earlier and I'm not holding my breath for a response....why does this level of gun violence only happen at this level in America compared to other developed countries?
There have been a variety of proposed actions throughout this thread so it seems like you're simply not paying attention, including regarding background checks, red flag laws, insurance, training, mental health help, and more.
In regards to violence in our cities, of course that is a problem. Poverty, drugs, gangs, lack of opportunity, and yes, guns, are part of the problem. All of these issues and more need to be addressed.
Additionally, no one is realistically claiming that gun violence is going to disappear. That's ridiculous. The goal should be to continue to make improvements to save lives, and that includes lives lost on the west or south sides of Chicago or on Michigan State's campus or the next high school, junior high, elementary school, church, movie theater, parade, concert, etc. that this is inevitable going to happen at again sooner than later.
There is no perfect solution but that shouldn't stop progress.
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Analogizing gang violence to innocent victims of a mass shooter is interesting
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Analogizing gang violence to innocent victims of a mass shooter is interesting
Honestly most of inner city violence now isn't even gang related (at least in Chicago) it's jerks making impulsive decisions to settle personal grievances. Usually they buy the gun from a gang but that doesn't mean they're directly involved or if they are it's a gang related shooting
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Analogizing gang violence to innocent victims of a mass shooter is interesting
Was that related to me or Muggsy? I mentioned gangs as one piece of the issue but that's certainly not what I was doing.
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What no one has mentioned and what I believe may be the single biggest problem is that the way that we (society) raises boys and young men.
We've had drives in this country for 'rights' for just about everyone. And I have supported Civil Rights, Women's Rights, Gay Rights, Transgender Rights, Black Lives Matter, #MeToo, etc., etc.
But the one group that was never talked about is anything relating to white males. Of course, throughout most of the existence of the United States, worrying about the rights of males - specifically white males - was unnecessary. They owned all power, all money, and all rights.
But society has changed, jobs that can support a family have been intentionally sent overseas (a way to bust unions), and middle and lower class males don't have the $$$ necessary to get a college education. Men are looked down on by many (and Libs may be the worst) if they work blue collar jobs. They were ignored when jobs were lost and were left to fend for themselves. They were told that it was the "others" that caused their pain.
Add into the mix a Social Media that alienates men even more and the ingredients are there for them to act out.
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Mental illness in the MSU shooting.
Jockey isn't wrong, but it isn't applicable in this case.
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There aren't school shootings in Israel. I'm guessing people don't want to follow their model though.
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What no one has mentioned and what I believe may be the single biggest problem is that the way that we (society) raises boys and young men.
We've had drives in this country for 'rights' for just about everyone. And I have supported Civil Rights, Women's Rights, Gay Rights, Transgender Rights, Black Lives Matter, #MeToo, etc., etc.
But the one group that was never talked about is anything relating to white males. Of course, throughout most of the existence of the United States, worrying about the rights of males - specifically white males - was unnecessary. They owned all power, all money, and all rights.
But society has changed, jobs that can support a family have been intentionally sent overseas (a way to bust unions), and middle and lower class males don't have the $$$ necessary to get a college education. Men are looked down on by many (and Libs may be the worst) if they work blue collar jobs. They were ignored when jobs were lost and were left to fend for themselves. They were told that it was the "others" that caused their pain.
Add into the mix a Social Media that alienates men even more and the ingredients are there for them to act out.
Add to that mix the same people that look down on the blue collar jobs, also blaming them for any number of ills of society and the US’s sordid history. Again not a boohoo oppressed white men, but telling a broke and poorly educated white man that he is the problem with America or that he’s profited off of (insert minority group) for too long in a blanket statement lacking nuance, and boom you have grievances and misunderstandings that need to be acted upon.
Giving that dude a gun, or raising him in a culture that revolves around guns (even if not a guns solve problems bang bang culture) and it’s a mess.
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There aren't school shootings in Israel. I'm guessing people don't want to follow their model though.
Please explain
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Add to that mix the same people that look down on the blue collar jobs, also blaming them for any number of ills of society and the US’s sordid history. Again not a boohoo oppressed white men, but telling a broke and poorly educated white man that he is the problem with America or that he’s profited off of (insert minority group) for too long in a blanket statement lacking nuance, and boom you have grievances and misunderstandings that need to be acted upon.
Giving that dude a gun, or raising him in a culture that revolves around guns (even if not a guns solve problems bang bang culture) and it’s a mess.
Thanks for expounding on what I said. Sadly, Libs are the biggest offenders when it comes to stigmatizing poorly educated young men.
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Please explain
Mandatory military service.
You wouldn't have made it.
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Mandatory military service.
You wouldn't have made it.
Mandatory military service prevents school shootings?
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Ziggy
I think the please explain post confirmed your point. Sadly, that me be the majority of the posters. I’d go to battle with Muggsy.
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Ziggy
I think the please explain post confirmed your point. Sadly, that me be the majority of the posters. I’d go to battle with Muggsy.
Goose, can you explain why Israel doesn't have school shootings? What methods have the used to such success?
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jesmu
I responded to Ziggy’s post, not Muggsy. Unlike many on scoop, I am not an expert on Israeli laws or shooting statistics. I will stand by point that there are probably more surrender guys than battle guys arguing gun control on scoop.
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Maybe we oughta follow this model, hey?
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Here's some stuff I found when searching "Israel school shootings":
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/06/09/misleading-post-claims-there-are-no-shootings-in-israel-despite-teens-with-guns
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/06/students-in-israel-dont-carry-guns-to-class-contrary-to-social-media-posts/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/what-if-american-schools-were-protected-like-israeli-schools-opinion-1712864%3famp=1
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/how-schools-in-israel-keep-students-safe-and-prevent-mass-shootings/
Goose, Ziggy or Muggsy - especially Muggsy since you started the topic - can you please point out the method of success you're referring to?
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jesmu
I responded to Ziggy’s post, not Muggsy. Unlike many on scoop, I am not an expert on Israeli laws or shooting statistics. I will stand by point that there are probably more surrender guys than battle guys arguing gun control on scoop.
Just the strangest take...
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Ziggy
I think the please explain post confirmed your point. Sadly, that me be the majority of the posters. I’d go to battle with Muggsy.
LOL, I know exactly why he asked the question - and my guess is Muggs doesn't answer.
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jesmu
I responded to Ziggy’s post, not Muggsy. Unlike many on scoop, I am not an expert on Israeli laws or shooting statistics. I will stand by point that there are probably more surrender guys than battle guys arguing gun control on scoop.
Sure seems like some have surrendered on school shootings
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Maybe we oughta follow this model, hey?
You’d crap your pants so fast if you saw that in public you’d be in line buying depends first thing the next morning
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jesmu
I responded to Ziggy’s post, not Muggsy. Unlike many on scoop, I am not an expert on Israeli laws or shooting statistics. I will stand by point that there are probably more surrender guys than battle guys arguing gun control on scoop.
Then what the f*ck are you talking about. I asked someone to explain their statement. I thought you were someone who would appreciate discussion and knowledge-seeking.
Instead you make a passing dbag comment
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Petrocelli, if only you knew, hey?
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Rico
I think you are making an inaccurate assumption on Doc. He is no candy ass.
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Rico
I think you are making an inaccurate assumption on Doc. He is no candy ass.
Then enlighten me
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Rico
You really do not care and that is fine.
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Mandatory military service prevents school shootings?
I was just clarifying Muggsy's comment. I
I'm surprised you didn't YouTube or reddit to find the answer, Question Boy.
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I have to say, a lot of action geared towards Muggsy. I never have met him in person, but he seems like a big time great guy. He would be the last guy I would be attacking if I had a different viewpoint. I guess some folks can’t help themselves.
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Goose, the Mugster is definitely worthy of a Meat Summit invite, hey?
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Doc
I get why guys attack us, but Muggsy? It is a sickness that makes me people automatically attack someone they do not agree with.
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I was just clarifying Muggsy's comment. I
I'm surprised you didn't YouTube or reddit to find the answer, Question Boy.
Muggy implied the Israel model prevents school shootings. I asked him to explain what the "Israel model" is.
If you're clarifying him, that would seem to indicate the Israel model is mandatory military service.
So, how does mandatory military service prevent school shootings?
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Doc
I get why guys attack us, but Muggsy? It is a sickness that makes me people automatically attack someone they do not agree with.
Kinda like when you attacked me.
Always the victim, eh goose?
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Muggy implied the Israel model prevents school shootings. I asked him to explain what the "Israel model" is.
If you're clarifying him, that would seem to indicate the Israel model is mandatory military service.
So, how does mandatory military service prevent school shootings?
Why are you asking me, Question Boy?
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Doc
I get why guys attack us, but Muggsy? It is a sickness that makes me people automatically attack someone they do not agree with.
Huh.
Muggsy suggested people were calling for an outright ban of all guns and when people corrected him, he doubled down on the assertion and pivoted away from school shootings to inner cities.
Then he mentioned adopting the Israeli model. What Israeli model? Armed guards? Intense government profiling of citizens? The procedures for gun ownership?
So, yes, he’s the victim.
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Why are you asking me, Question Boy?
Because you indicate that you understand what he said - or at least implied.
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Doc
I get why guys attack us, but Muggsy? It is a sickness that makes me people automatically attack someone they do not agree with.
Stupid people yearn to feel superior, aina?
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Maybe we oughta follow this model, hey?
We already are. It's going great.
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Rico
Muggsy is no one’s victim. I simply was saying he seems like one of the really good guys on scoop. I have no idea why anyone would be aggressive with him.
Again, I am going on out on a limp here, but Muggsy contributes a ton on here and is very likable.
I’m not speaking for “my boy” Muggsy, just making an honest comment.
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Stupid people yearn to feel superior, aina?
Self own.
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Rico
Muggsy is no one’s victim. I simply was saying he seems like one of the really good guys on scoop. I have no idea why anyone would be aggressive with him.
Again, I am going on out on a limp here, but Muggsy contributes a ton on here and is very likable.
I’m not speaking for “my boy” Muggsy, just making an honest comment.
So he can be aggressive in this argument but because he’s a good guy others shouldn’t?
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Rico
I am 100% confident you are a smart, clever and quick person and know exactly what I meant. Muggsy is a stalwart on scoop and far from someone looking at pick a fight. IMO, he should garner goodwill respect. Just my take.
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Goose
You are channeling sultan again.
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Goose plays the guy who would never insult someone, yet is the ultimate passive aggressive “I’m smarter and more accomplished than you” guy and then plays the victim when someone calls out his BS.
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Goose plays the guy who would never insult someone, yet is the ultimate passive aggressive “I’m smarter and more accomplished than you” guy and then plays the victim when someone calls out his BS.
And you play the douchebag. What's your point?
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bias
I insult many on here, you included. I can tell you with authority, there are plenty of smarter and more accomplished scoopers than me. Not sure how what victim I was playing but will take your word on it.
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bias
I insult many on here, you included. I can tell you with authority, there are plenty of smarter and more accomplished scoopers than me. Not sure how what victim I was playing but will take your word on it.
Goose,
Despite our many disagreements here (usually not involving BB), I have had no problem with your postings. Some are snarky; some I deserved. That’s life on an internet chat site.
As long as you’re honest in replying to me (I have no reason to think otherwise), I have no problem. I have no doubt that in the future there will be matters that we agree on and things we don’t.
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The fact that you actually believe this is mind-boggling.
I asked Rocket Surgeon the question earlier and I'm not holding my breath for a response....why does this level of gun violence only happen at this level in America compared to other developed countries?
There have been a variety of proposed actions throughout this thread so it seems like you're simply not paying attention, including regarding background checks, red flag laws, insurance, training, mental health help, and more.
In regards to violence in our cities, of course that is a problem. Poverty, drugs, gangs, lack of opportunity, and yes, guns, are part of the problem. All of these issues and more need to be addressed.
Additionally, no one is realistically claiming that gun violence is going to disappear. That's ridiculous. The goal should be to continue to make improvements to save lives, and that includes lives lost on the west or south sides of Chicago or on Michigan State's campus or the next high school, junior high, elementary school, church, movie theater, parade, concert, etc. that this is inevitable going to happen at again sooner than later.
There is no perfect solution but that shouldn't stop progress.
how do you define "developed nations"?
Countries with the Highest Rates of Violent Gun Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
El Salvador — 36.78
Venezuela — 33.27
Guatemala — 29.06
Colombia — 26.36
Brazil — 21.93
Bahamas — 21.52
Honduras — 20.15
U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
Puerto Rico — 18.14
Mexico — 16.41
also note, MOST of our "mass shootings" occur in gun FREE zones-well over 90%
red flag laws?? what the...we already ignore the most basic laws as they are...felons with hand guns ring a bell? felons with hand guns in gun free zones? restraining orders?? multiple drunken driving offenses until they kill someone??
if we held judges and prosecutors responsible for their decisions as we do police, maybe fewer of these scum bags with incredibly long records and histories of violence would be in prison where they belong and not free to recommit violent acts
bill maher said during one of his live audience shows- some people just belong in jail and about 3 people clapped...he was shocked.
judges and prosecutors who let someone off or out easy and then recommit violent crimes should themselves be disbarred and or imprisoned along with the reoffender. maybe then they would think a little bit more about safety for civilized society they are sworn in to protect.
i will never understand the defund the police or the election of these D.A's whom everyone knows WILL be soft on crime. we are hemorrhaging police right now as it is. early retirements, suicides, fewer applying to become police officers, deaths on the job...some of our once esteemed large cities have become hell holes of crime. people and businesses moving out in droves. who's going to pay for the social services left behind? there's your "defund the police" that "summer of love" didn't last very long, did it?
recidivism is one of the biggest reasons for the escalation of violent crime including evil people with guns
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"Anthony McRae pleaded guilty to misdemeanor possession of a loaded firearm in a vehicle after a felony count of carrying a concealed weapon without a license was dropped in 2019"
i rest my case
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Lol.
I’d reply but it’s so unbelievably stupid (yet predictable) that it’s not possible to have any reasonable discussion.
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roQQet:
Thanks for offering one and only one "solution": Build more prisons, lock 'em up, throw away the key. Bravo.
Do you feel the same about the violent domestic terrorists recently convicted of seditious conspiracy?
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Add to that mix the same people that look down on the blue collar jobs, also blaming them for any number of ills of society and the US’s sordid history. Again not a boohoo oppressed white men, but telling a broke and poorly educated white man that he is the problem with America or that he’s profited off of (insert minority group) for too long in a blanket statement lacking nuance, and boom you have grievances and misunderstandings that need to be acted upon.
Giving that dude a gun, or raising him in a culture that revolves around guns (even if not a guns solve problems bang bang culture) and it’s a mess.
" Broke and poorly educated white men" everywhere certainly are lucky to have a liberal such as yourself advocate for them. As a former broke and poorly educated white man myself, having grown up on a farm in rural Wisconsin 50 years ago, and having worked 3 jobs at times to afford a Marquette education, I can advise you that I have never owned a gun and I have never felt compelled to even hold one. With an advanced degree from MU, I still may be uneducated, but not all of we "blue collar types" have felt compelled to get an illegal gun and shoot someone.
Man, I am so thankful for your post and the post you quoted. It reminds me, yet again, how lower class guys like myself, and the guys I "run with", are viewed by guys like you.
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Yeah, Wags ... you liberal you!
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jockey
As we have discussed many times, we might not agree on much, but basketball is usually a common ground for us. I am giving myself advice, only to post on basketball threads. The non ball threads have caused most of the controversy and bias we have for other posters and I am guilty of that.
I do not think I would have any serious bias for any poster if I simply stayed on the AL. Plus, I enjoy 90% of the basketball threads. Maybe we all could use more basketball and less other time on scoop.
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"Anthony McRae pleaded guilty to misdemeanor possession of a loaded firearm in a vehicle after a felony count of carrying a concealed weapon without a license was dropped in 2019"
i rest my case
What case is that? Ironically the law that he broke is one that pro gun advocates have been trying to repeal - the ability to conceal carry without a permit.
Furthermore as a matter of practicality, do you want people arrested for conceal carry, but who have no other offenses on their record, to be in prison? That seems ridiculous to me.
If what I am reading about him is correct, he had no prior run in with the law outside of this. But sounds like he had profound mental illness that his family tried to help him with but spiraled after his mother’s death in 2020.
People like that should not have access to a firearm. But the state no authority to take away his firearm if the family requested. He should also be able to get his mental illness treated. But sure…locking him up indefinitely for something that the NRA doesn’t even want to be a crime would have been the better option. 🙄🙄
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Nm
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Should a single mom or young woman living in a violent neighborhood or in the middle of nowhere have the right to protect herself? And as far as the potential government going tyrannical are you saying that's no longer conceivable? Was it conceivable in Europe less than 100 yrs ago?
Hoooooooly hell man. Do you honestly think Jim Bob in the corn field who eats McDonald's everyday has any chance whatsoever against a 'tyrannical government'?
These clods aren't the Mujahadeen. They're cosplayers. They'd get mowed down by a drone from 60k feet that they wouldn't even know was there.
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I'm just damn glad Paul Pelosi didn't have a handgun around his house. Better for an 80+ year old man to get smashed over the head a couple of times with a hammer than keep a weapon under the bed
The actual attack is on the police body cam while armed men are present. But yes, continue.
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Rico
You really do not care and that is fine.
I do. Regale me with tales of the dentist turned vigilante from a wealthy Milwaukee suburb.
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I have to say, a lot of action geared towards Muggsy. I never have met him in person, but he seems like a big time great guy. He would be the last guy I would be attacking if I had a different viewpoint. I guess some folks can’t help themselves.
No one is attacking Mugsy. They're asking for clarification about why he feels the way he feels about this subject.
He has a lot of opinions, but doesn't seem interested in explaining why he holds those opinions.
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" Broke and poorly educated white men" everywhere certainly are lucky to have a liberal such as yourself advocate for them. As a former broke and poorly educated white man myself, having grown up on a farm in rural Wisconsin 50 years ago, and having worked 3 jobs at times to afford a Marquette education, I can advise you that I have never owned a gun and I have never felt compelled to even hold one. With an advanced degree from MU, I still may be uneducated, but not all of we "blue collar types" have felt compelled to get an illegal gun and shoot someone.
Man, I am so thankful for your post and the post you quoted. It reminds me, yet again, how lower class guys like myself, and the guys I "run with", are viewed by guys like you.
Oh God guys, don't tell him.
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I do. Regale me with tales of the dentist turned vigilante from a wealthy Milwaukee suburb.
Hards
He just moved to Mequon recently. He was hardened by the Milwaukee streets.
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Hards, smoke a bowl or take the old lady for a roll in the hay. You are way to worked up for 630 am.
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jesmu
I responded to Ziggy’s post, not Muggsy. Unlike many on scoop, I am not an expert on Israeli laws or shooting statistics. I will stand by point that there are probably more surrender guys than battle guys arguing gun control on scoop.
In my experience, internet tough guys aren’t so tough standing next to people in person, in real life.
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In my experience, internet tough guys aren’t so tough standing next to people in person, in real life.
We can't all be super heroes, Archman.