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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: wadesworld on January 31, 2018, 10:31:43 PM
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5th year senior puts up a doughnut in the biggest game of the year. Way to step up and lead your team.
Turn this team over to Sam. Run every offensive set through him. At least he’ll attempt to make the smart basketball decision. I’ve seen enough of our 5’9” guards put their head down and hunt their points. The ball needs to move and everyone needs to be involved.
Time to start playing for next season. And make sure we’re having a middle man get on some potential grad transfer point guards. Ones who look to get their teammates going and want to compete and at least pretend to want to defend.
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5th year senior puts up a doughnut in the biggest game of the year. Way to step up and lead your team.
Turn this team over to Sam. Run every offensive set through him. At least he’ll attempt to make the smart basketball decision. I’ve seen enough of our 5’9” guards put their head down and hunt their points. The ball needs to move and everyone needs to be involved.
Time to start playing for next season. And make sure we’re having a middle man get on some potential grad transfer point guards. Ones who look to get their teammates going and want to compete and at least pretend to want to defend.
Don't rip on a kid. He tried his best and it just wasn't good enough tonight. He will be back.
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Oh PLEASE ....that was his best effort? That was him giving 100%????? Rousey SUCKS!
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Our coach gave up with 8 minutes to go!
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Please stop. We got smoked!
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Rousey SUCKS!
Yeah, total sellout going to the WWE
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Our coach gave up with 8 minutes to go!
because we was out coached by UWM's coach.
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Yeah, total sellout going to the WWE
Thank you! I needed a laugh tonight.
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Our coach gave up with 8 minutes to go!
That's nothing. I gave up with 13:00 minutes to go
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just an off game watch for a good next game we'll need it
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5th year senior puts up a doughnut in the biggest game of the year. Way to step up and lead your team.
Turn this team over to Sam. Run every offensive set through him. At least he’ll attempt to make the smart basketball decision. I’ve seen enough of our 5’9” guards put their head down and hunt their points. The ball needs to move and everyone needs to be involved.
Time to start playing for next season. And make sure we’re having a middle man get on some potential grad transfer point guards. Ones who look to get their teammates going and want to compete and at least pretend to want to defend.
I think that that was pretty much the game plan, and was pushed even more when Rowsey was stinking up the joint. How'd that work out? Not so well.
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Not excusing a crapass performance from rowsey, but he looked like he was sick. Flushed checks and neck (not a good neck tonight).
Sick as in real sick, not Crean excuse sick from yore.
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Rowsey can be a frustrating player at times, but tonight was just an off game. He made a bad pass or two, but he wasn't taking bad shots and playing hero ball like he can do at times. Yeah, you'd like your senior to step up in a game like this, but at least he didn't try to force it when he began to struggle.
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Don't rip on a kid. He tried his best and it just wasn't good enough tonight. He will be back.
Damn, well done herm
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Real bad night from Rowsey tonight. His turnovers weren't just bad, they were throws to literally nobody. But this is the same kid who dropped 29 on Villanova just three games ago. One of his greatest strengths and greatest weaknesses is his short memory. Would not be surprised to see him have a dominant game against Providence.
I do agree about getting others involved more. I thought our offense looked the best when Sacar and Greg were driving the ball. Work those plays in early and force the defense to adjust to it. That will open up plays for the midgets and Sammy.
Disagree about "playing for next year." 5-3 and we can make the tournament and the back end of our schedule is really friendly. Still plenty of time to win this year.
And as much as we want to complain about the offense....it is still rated in the top 15 by KenPom. We are spoiled with good offense. Defense is the issue.
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5th year senior puts up a doughnut in the biggest game of the year. Way to step up and lead your team.
Turn this team over to Sam. Run every offensive set through him. At least he’ll attempt to make the smart basketball decision. I’ve seen enough of our 5’9” guards put their head down and hunt their points. The ball needs to move and everyone needs to be involved.
Time to start playing for next season. And make sure we’re having a middle man get on some potential grad transfer point guards. Ones who look to get their teammates going and want to compete and at least pretend to want to defend.
They repeatedly ran isolation for Sam. Like everyone else, he failed to step up.
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Oh PLEASE ....that was his best effort? That was him giving 100%????? Rousey SUCKS!
He scored zero against Butler last year. They just have him.
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Not excusing a crapass performance from rowsey, but he looked like he was sick. Flushed checks and neck (not a good neck tonight).
Sick as in real sick, not Crean excuse sick from yore.
I'm with you. Rowsey looked physically ill. They also played great defense on him - he was never open.
As far as Wojo giving up with 8 minutes to go, looked like several players gave up a lot earlier than that.
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5th year senior puts up a doughnut in the biggest game of the year. Way to step up and lead your team.
Turn this team over to Sam. Run every offensive set through him. At least he’ll attempt to make the smart basketball decision. I’ve seen enough of our 5’9” guards put their head down and hunt their points. The ball needs to move and everyone needs to be involved.
Time to start playing for next season. And make sure we’re having a middle man get on some potential grad transfer point guards. Ones who look to get their teammates going and want to compete and at least pretend to want to defend.
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They repeatedly ran isolation for Sam. Like everyone else, he failed to step up.
You're making my point. Isolation basketball works...in the NBA. Or when you have NBA talent. MU has a single guy on the active roster that has any shot to make the NBA, and that's 2 years and a lot of development away from happening for him.
Put it this way. Our "lead guard" and "best ballhandler" had 2 assists and 3 turnovers and shot 0% from the field. He's a fifth year senior who's supposed to be the best offensive player we have, but in 3 of his last 7 games he's scored 6 or fewer points. It's 50/50 whether he even shows up since the BE season has started.
Our power forward equaled our "lead guard" in assists and at least hit 4 of his shot attempts. And he did this while going isolation. Now imagine how good he would be if we actually ran him off screens for open shots, or ran cuts from the wings off of his catch at the top of the key or elbow.
I love that our guards can score 30 on any given night. I would love it even more if they showed up with any type of consistency and were able to do that while keeping their head up while dribbling, seeing the court and not having tunnel vision on the rim and only the rim. I would guarantee you coaches in the Big East would be ecstatic to let one of Rowsey or Howard go for 30 every time they played Marquette, because that would mean many shots and very little ball movement from one of the players, making the rest of the team very easy to defend. When the ball moves, Marquette is very good. Unfortunately the ball very rarely moves, and Marquette is very often not very good to flat awful like last night.
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It happens. Kyron Cartwright, a solid senior for Providence, missed all 9 of his shots last night and also had zero points in the Friars' loss to Seton Hall last night.
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Rowsey can be a frustrating player at times, but tonight was just an off game. He made a bad pass or two, but he wasn't taking bad shots and playing hero ball like he can do at times. Yeah, you'd like your senior to step up in a game like this, but at least he didn't try to force it when he began to struggle.
Agreed, awful night but he didn't just start heaving deep threes. Passes we're awful, Butler clearly has us scouted and frustrated.
Our fans should remember Butler's Brad Stevens who always reminded players in fans - one in 6 games you play out of your mind and you aren't that good - one in six games you are terrible and you aren't that bad - the other 4 in 6 games are the ones that determine your season.
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Agreed, awful night but he didn't just start heaving deep threes. Passes we're awful, Butler clearly has us scouted and frustrated.
Our fans should remember Butler's Brad Stevens who always reminded players in fans - one in 6 games you play out of your mind and you aren't that good - one in six games you are terrible and you aren't that bad - the other 4 in 6 games are the ones that determine your season.
What happens when 2/3 you are terrible?
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Wouldn't be surprised to see him start on the bench Saturday. Wojo has sent messages like this to him in the past with one game suspension for missing a meeting or being late for practice and Rowsey usually responds well.
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Wouldn't be surprised to see him start on the bench Saturday. Wojo has sent messages like this to him in the past with one game suspension for missing a meeting or being late for practice and Rowsey usually responds well.
A punishment for a lack of discipline is much different than a punishment for an off game. Rowsey's performance last night was not worth a benching. If Wojo starts benching guys for having bad nights, all of our starters would be benched at one point or another.
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What happens when 2/3 you are terrible?
You expand the range and realize that while you've been terrible 2/3 games....those are the only two times you've been terrible in the last 12 games (doubling Brad Stevens' 6 game analogy).
I had never heard that quote from Stevens but he's absolutely right. Every team has a floor and a ceiling. Some nights you play at the ceiling, some times you play at the floor, most times you are somewhere inbetween. Last night we played at our floor. I am confident that we will not play that poorly again this season.
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Watching Rowsey this year reminds me of what Flounder said about women. Can't live with him. Can't live without him.
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Real bad night from Rowsey tonight. His turnovers weren't just bad, they were throws to literally nobody. But this is the same kid who dropped 29 on Villanova just three games ago. One of his greatest strengths and greatest weaknesses is his short memory. Would not be surprised to see him have a dominant game against Providence.
I do agree about getting others involved more. I thought our offense looked the best when Sacar and Greg were driving the ball. Work those plays in early and force the defense to adjust to it. That will open up plays for the midgets and Sammy.
Disagree about "playing for next year." 5-3 and we can make the tournament and the back end of our schedule is really friendly. Still plenty of time to win this year.
And as much as we want to complain about the offense....it is still rated in the top 15 by KenPom. We are spoiled with good offense. Defense is the issue.
We will not make the dance with 5-3 finish. 9-9 with getting swept by Butler, Villanova, and Xavier, and middle of pack (at best at 9-9) does not warrant the dance, and you know it. Unless, of course, we run the table in the BEast tourney, but you know that ain't happening either. I'm really a badger fan
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We will not make the dance with 5-3 finish. 9-9 with getting swept by Butler, Villanova, and Xavier, and middle of pack (at best at 9-9) does not warrant the dance, and you know it. Unless, of course, we run the table in the BEast tourney, but you know that ain't happening either. I'm really a badger fan
Tell me which teams would get in above us then? Or just continue to ignorantly state your opinions as facts.
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Tell me which teams would get in above us then? Or just continue to ignorantly state your opinions as facts.
Ok, I can play that game. So every body that has an opinion, including you, is ignorant, by your above logic. But just to answer your question, , considering there are 8 games left, and without looking at standings, I would say that Xavier, Butler, Villanova, Creighton and possibly Seton Hall would make it before us. But that is opinion, just like yours is, so I guess we are both ignorant, for having an opinion.
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Agreed, awful night but he didn't just start heaving deep threes. Passes we're awful, Butler clearly has us scouted and frustrated.
Our fans should remember Butler's Brad Stevens who always reminded players in fans - one in 6 games you play out of your mind and you aren't that good - one in six games you are terrible and you aren't that bad - the other 4 in 6 games are the ones that determine your season.
I’ve heard several posters refer to LaVall as UWM’s coach. “We just got beat by UWMs coach.”
I got to know LaVall last year. He is a helluva coach. He is cool, calm and disciplined and his team exudes that.
His scouting at UWM last year was unbelievable. The film, the scout team, the mental attitude towards practice.
Before the game Wojo looked like he was going to puke. Now I know why.
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Ok, I can play that game. So every body that has an opinion, including you, is ignorant, by your above logic. But just to answer your question, , considering there are 8 games left, and without looking at standings, I would say that Xavier, Butler, Villanova, Creighton and possibly Seton Hall would make it before us. But that is opinion, just like yours is, so I guess we are both ignorant, for having an opinion.
That's not what I asked. I'm talking about what teams make the NCAA tournament above us. Bubble teams. Not teams in our conference. the 5 teams you listed are nowhere near the bubble.
You said we wouldn't get into the tournament with a 5-3 finish, at 9-9. That may be true. But it also may not. We'd have at least a 50% chance to be in the field at 9-9 entering the BE Tournament. My opinion comes from "looking at the standings", looking at other bubble teams and comparing our profile to the profile of those other teams, and playing with tools such as RPI forecast and T Rank.
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Ok, I can play that game. So every body that has an opinion, including you, is ignorant, by your above logic. But just to answer your question, , considering there are 8 games left, and without looking at standings, I would say that Xavier, Butler, Villanova, Creighton and possibly Seton Hall would make it before us. But that is opinion, just like yours is, so I guess we are both ignorant, for having an opinion.
Everyone can have an opinion. Opinions can run the spectrum from highly informed, educated opinions, to blatantly ignorant opinions. You seem proud to always have the latter. "Without looking at the standings"?? Geez Mazos...
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We would be in at 9-9 barring having to play DePaul, Georgetown, and St. John's in the BET and losing to them.
The problem is nothing we have seen suggests we go 5-3 down the stretch. It's just as likely that we lay an egg and get smoked by a winless St. John's team as it is we beat a Providence or Creighton at home.
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5th year senior puts up a doughnut in the biggest game of the year. Way to step up and lead your team.
Turn this team over to Sam. Run every offensive set through him. At least he’ll attempt to make the smart basketball decision. I’ve seen enough of our 5’9” guards put their head down and hunt their points. The ball needs to move and everyone needs to be involved.
Time to start playing for next season. And make sure we’re having a middle man get on some potential grad transfer point guards. Ones who look to get their teammates going and want to compete and at least pretend to want to defend.
Haha. Come on, Our guards are 6' in shoes.
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We will not make the dance with 5-3 finish. 9-9 with getting swept by Butler, Villanova, and Xavier, and middle of pack (at best at 9-9) does not warrant the dance, and you know it. Unless, of course, we run the table in the BEast tourney, but you know that ain't happening either. I'm really a badger fan
It's not an opinion. It's math.
Find me a high major team that has been left out with 51 RPI and 25 SOS since the tournament expanded to 68 and I will believe you.
Cause I can find several with worse resumes who have made it.
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We would be in at 9-9 barring having to play DePaul, Georgetown, and St. John's in the BET and losing to them.
The problem is nothing we have seen suggests we go 5-3 down the stretch. It's just as likely that we lay an egg and get smoked by a winless St. John's team as it is we beat a Providence or Creighton at home.
That is a different discussion, and a valid point of view. I tend to disagree. I think @ DePaul and home against SJU are near lock wins. I think @ Georgetown, @SJU, and Providence are probably wins. I'd put @SHU and @ CU as probably loses, and @ CU I'd lean to us but it's really a toss up.
PC on Saturday will tell us a lot.
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Know game is a given wynn, hey?
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This offense is A LOT better when Rowsey is on the bench. His play for a fifth year senior is baffling.
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This offense is A LOT better when Rowsey is on the bench. His play for a fifth year senior is baffling.
He's been fine today. Hasn't scored but is moving the ball well and has only forced one shot
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He's been fine today. Hasn't scored but is moving the ball well and has only forced one shot
Completely disagree. In what world is the guy who was 2nd in the Big East in scoring going 0-2 from the field for 0 points, 2 assists, 1 turnover (and definitely should've been a second but the refs felt so bad for him they gave him a ghost touch), and picking up a second foul while a guy is literally shooting a shot from behind the backboard "fine?"
Andrew Rowsey and I have scored the same amount of points for Marquette in the last 3 halves of basketball, all while we've been playing 2 teams we are competing with on the bubble.
Rowsey's job on this team is to 1) score and (enter HUGE gap between numbers 1 and 2) 2) distribute the ball. He literally hasn't done number 1 in the last 60 minutes of basketball.
Seniors need to step up at this time of year. Especially 5th year seniors who are the only seniors on the team.
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Heyo! He’s in the building.
We found Sacar and lost Rowsey. Hopefully we just found him again!
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Rowsey's job on this team is to 1) score and (enter HUGE gap between numbers 1 and 2) 2) distribute the ball. He literally hasn't done number 1 in the last 60 minutes of basketball.
Then why did you start this thread complaining about him hunting points, not moving the ball, not getting teammates going, and not defending?
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Then why did you start this thread complaining about him hunting points, not moving the ball, not getting teammates going, and not defending?
Because he scored 0 points in a home game against a team you’re fighting on the bubble with.
I was unaware that if you’re going to be a scorer the ball can’t move on your team? That would be a new thought I’ve never heard of.
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This offense is A LOT better when Rowsey is on the bench. His play for a fifth year senior is baffling.
Completely disagree with this. Offense looks horrible with Howard on the floor and much much much better with Rowsey on the floor. Howard's shot selection and decision making has taken a HUGE drop, it's pathetic now. Rowsey's been moving the ball and creating for others.
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Completely disagree with this. Offense looks horrible with Howard on the floor and much much much better with Rowsey on the floor. Howard's shot selection and decision making has taken a HUGE drop, it's pathetic now. Rowsey's been moving the ball and creating for others.
Which is why you run the offense through Sam. Which we did in the first half with mostly good results. Then we went back to hero ball from our guards and we got the doors blown off.
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I'm not sure what goalposts you're talking about. Rowsey put up a doughnut against Butler. Good effort. Rowsey's job is to score. Does that mean Rowsey should never pass the basketball? Again, that's a new concept. Scorers still need to play within an offense. Which is exactly what the original post was about. Run the offense through Sam, like we did in the first half today. He's the only player who plays with his head up seeing the court. You're making this a lot harder than you need to.
Anyways, MU wins that game if Rowsey simply graces us with a foul out earlier in the game.
Read the original post and/or learn the definition of goal post shifting. Our offense needs to be run through Sam. He's the only one smart enough to make the right plays even a portion of the time. Being a scorer doesn't mean you don't move the basketball. Except maybe in your own head.
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This offense is A LOT better when Rowsey is on the bench. His play for a fifth year senior is baffling.
Bump. After the second free throw as a result of Rowsey's 5th foul MU was down 7 with 6 and a half minutes to go. End the game losing by 2.