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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on September 07, 2018, 07:41:26 AM
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With the Akanno signing, it is becoming clear the Wojo is learning from the fundamental weakness of last year's team. I am not saying that there will never be another small guard at MU. But Wojo is setting it up that there will never be two undersized guards on the floor at the same time trying to guard Big East power guards. Coach is now clearly recruiting players with length. I like this signing. A smart kid with size and a lot of upside but not a ton of hype coming onto a team that does not need him to be an immediate contributor. Wojo is learning.
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With the Akanno signing, it is becoming clear the Wojo is learning from the fundamental weakness of last year's team. I am not saying that there will never be another small guard at MU. But Wojo is setting it up that there will never be two undersized guards on the floor at the same time trying to guard Big East power guards. Coach is now clearly recruiting players with length. I like this signing. A smart kid with size and a lot of upside but not a ton of hype coming onto a team that does not need him to be an immediate contributor. Wojo is learning.
I think he learned awhile ago, and that's why last year's class included Greg and Jamal. Last year he was willing to sacrifice defense for offense because the offense was just so good and because the freshmen were not ready to take on a larger role. That will change this year and in the future.
So it looks as though he's not going "full switchable," but he is trending in that direction.
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I think he learned awhile ago, and that's why last year's class included Greg and Jamal. Last year he was willing to sacrifice defense for offense because the offense was just so good and because the freshmen were not ready to take on a larger role. That will change this year and in the future.
So it looks as though he's not going "full switchable," but he is trending in that direction.
If Akanno is a guy that can play man to man against a guy like Mannion he should have no trouble playing in the BE. It will be nice to see a team where we have all the pieces.
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With the Akanno signing, it is becoming clear the Wojo is learning from the fundamental weakness of last year's team. I am not saying that there will never be another small guard at MU. But Wojo is setting it up that there will never be two undersized guards on the floor at the same time trying to guard Big East power guards. Coach is now clearly recruiting players with length. I like this signing. A smart kid with size and a lot of upside but not a ton of hype coming onto a team that does not need him to be an immediate contributor. Wojo is learning.
He learned not to bring in two of the most prolific scorers in D1 basketball last year?? Please with the revisionist history. Victim of circumstance with players leaving. Not everything happens in a vacuum.
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He learned not to bring in two of the most prolific scorers in D1 basketball last year?? Please with the revisionist history. Victim of circumstance with players leaving. Not everything happens in a vacuum.
If you don't notice a difference in the type of player Wojo has been recruiting over the past couple of years, I don't know what to say.
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With the Akanno signing, it is becoming clear the Wojo is learning from the fundamental weakness of last year's team. I am not saying that there will never be another small guard at MU. But Wojo is setting it up that there will never be two undersized guards on the floor at the same time trying to guard Big East power guards. Coach is now clearly recruiting players with length. I like this signing. A smart kid with size and a lot of upside but not a ton of hype coming onto a team that does not need him to be an immediate contributor. Wojo is learning.
I don't think it was as much of a learning curve, more like the best recruits available to him as he strolled down the Shopping aisle.
I would think a guy with his experience with Duke and the USA teams would know the best requirements for those positions if they were available to him.
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Full listing of Wojo recruits(italics)/transfers(bold):
2014-15
Cohen (was a Buzz recruit)
Carlino
W. Ellenson (left team)
Levin (never played for MU)
*Did not include Luke, since he committed when Buzz was still HC
2015-16
H. Ellenson (left for NBA)
Cheatham (left team)
Heldt
Anim
Carter (left team)
Rowsey
2016-17
Howard
S. Hauser
Bailey
Reinhardt
2017-18
Cain
John
Elliott
Eke
Morrow
Froling
2018-19
S. Hauser
Chartouney
McEwen
There is no doubt that there is a positive and strong trajectory in recruiting since his first year. The past three classes have been very strong, IMO. The 15-16 class came in with a ton of fanfare, but - for various reasons - the class never reached its potential.
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He learned not to bring in two of the most prolific scorers in D1 basketball last year?? Please with the revisionist history. Victim of circumstance with players leaving. Not everything happens in a vacuum.
In 2017, we ran out lineups with two sub-six foot guards. Since then, in the 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, & 2021 recruiting classes, Wojo hasn't offered a single sub-six foot player according to 247.
He has offered 3 players at 6'0": Tyger Campbell, De'Vion Harmon, & Reece Beekman. The first three are or were borderline five-star players & Beekman is part of the Phenom University AAU superteam.
Wojo has offered 38 total guards according to 247 in that time (discounting Flory but adding Watts). I think it's pretty safe to say he learned from having two midgets on the floor together. If there's an undeniable talent, height along likely wouldn't prevent an offer, but I don't think we'll ever see a starting backcourt like Howard and Rowsey again under Wojo.
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With the Akanno signing, it is becoming clear the Wojo is learning from the fundamental weakness of last year's team. I am not saying that there will never be another small guard at MU. But Wojo is setting it up that there will never be two undersized guards on the floor at the same time trying to guard Big East power guards. Coach is now clearly recruiting players with length. I like this signing. A smart kid with size and a lot of upside but not a ton of hype coming onto a team that does not need him to be an immediate contributor. Wojo is learning.
I seriously hope these arent the lessons Wojo is 'learning'. If that is the case we should have moved on years ago.
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Let's not forget 6'3" Nick Noskowiak.
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Let's not forget 6'3" Nick Noskowiak.
Nick was actually a Buzz Williams commit
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Nick was actually a Buzz Williams commit
Nope.
Wojo signed him and released him. Sandy also reupped under Wojo after recommitting.
https://gomarquette.com/news/2014/11/12/Nick_Noskowiak_Signs_National_Letter_Of_Intent_With_MU.aspx
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Nick was actually a Buzz Williams commit
Nope.
Wojo signed him and released him. Sandy also reupped under Wojo after recommitting.
Well he was a Buzz commit. That is undoubtedly true. He did recommit to Wojo.
I believe Nick never signed with Marquette though.
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I believe Nick never signed with Marquette though.
Wrong. Read the release I attached. Wojo signed him.
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Wrong. Read the release I attached. Wojo signed him.
LOL. Oops. Thanks.
But he was originally a Buzz commit.
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I don't think it was as much of a learning curve, more like the best recruits available to him as he strolled down the Shopping aisle.
I would think a guy with his experience with Duke and the USA teams would know the best requirements for those positions if they were available to him.
No no no he just learned that last year silly!!
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Inthe last two years, cohen, carter and haanif left. 6’2,6’5, 6’5. Much like buzz with the midgets it wasnt done by design or lack of a learning curve it was a victim of curcumstance. 2 years ago no way Wojo assumes he wont have carter, or hannif, even if he did it takes time to refill a program while guys can leave in an instant.
Wojo has been involved with ultra high level D1 basketball for 25 years . He didnt just realize an underathletic undersized backcourt is detrimental to success. i feel dumber for having read it and then ingaging in an argument that he did. So stupid.
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Inthe last two years, cohen, carter and haanif left. 6’2,6’5, 6’5. Much like buzz with the midgets it wasnt done by design or lack of a learning curve it was a victim of curcumstance. 2 years ago no way Wojo assumes he wont have carter, or hannif, even if he did it takes time to refill a program while guys can leave in an instant.
Wojo has been involved with ultra high level D1 basketball for 25 years . He didnt just realize an underathletic undersized backcourt is detrimental to success. To suggest otherwise is simply retarded and i feel dumber for having read it and then ingaging in an argument that he did. So stupid.
Seriously dude, you need to stop with the slurs and derogatory comments. I actually think you make a very good point about SC, TC, and HC, but there's no need for the nastiness. Low class comment.
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Inthe last two years, cohen, carter and haanif left. 6’2,6’5, 6’5. Much like buzz with the midgets it wasnt done by design or lack of a learning curve it was a victim of curcumstance. 2 years ago no way Wojo assumes he wont have carter, or hannif, even if he did it takes time to refill a program while guys can leave in an instant.
Wojo has been involved with ultra high level D1 basketball for 25 years . He didnt just realize an underathletic undersized backcourt is detrimental to success. To suggest otherwise is simply retarded and i feel dumber for having read it and then ingaging in an argument that he did. So stupid.
Dude, that language is unacceptable.
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I agree that Wojo is showing that he gets height matters but I think the larger lesson that Wojo is demonstrating with Akanno is that he has confidence in his current roster and is looking to sustain/manage a roster as opposed rebuild.
Akanno is the type of kid that you bring in with the intent he is contributing in his junior/senior and isn't "needed" as a frosh to contribute.
The future is bright and #respecttheprocess
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ingaging
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Inthe last two years, cohen, carter and haanif left. 6’2,6’5, 6’5. Much like buzz with the midgets it wasnt done by design or lack of a learning curve it was a victim of curcumstance. 2 years ago no way Wojo assumes he wont have carter, or hannif, even if he did it takes time to refill a program while guys can leave in an instant.
Wojo has been involved with ultra high level D1 basketball for 25 years . He didnt just realize an underathletic undersized backcourt is detrimental to success. To suggest otherwise is simply retarded and i feel dumber for having read it and then ingaging in an argument that he did. So stupid.
Man, this speaks volumes.
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I agree that Wojo is showing that he gets height matters but I think the larger lesson that Wojo is demonstrating with Akanno is that he has confidence in his current roster and is looking to sustain/manage a roster as opposed rebuild.
Akanno is the type of kid that you bring in with the intent he is contributing in his junior/senior and isn't "needed" as a frosh to contribute.
The future is bright and #respecttheprocess
I agree and additionally think that while Dexter may not be atop the recruiting rankings he may be a player before junior or senior year skill, strength, and talent wise. However with any developed program it may simply be that he is slotted behind older more mature, and therefore better players for two years. Agree with all of that. However, the premise of this thread is simply wrong and bad, hopefully posters are learning on the job too
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Wojo essentially started with nothing. As he has built pieces over these last few years he's been able to fine tune his recruiting targets. He went from 'bodies' to 'talented bodies' to 'best fit talented bodies'. I think he knew it all along but as others have said, respect the process.
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all part of the PowerPoint plan
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Wojo essentially started with nothing. As he has built pieces over these last few years he's been able to fine tune his recruiting targets. He went from 'bodies' to 'talented bodies' to 'best fit talented bodies'. I think he knew it all along but as others have said, respect the process.
https://www.nba.com/thunder/news/burton-180707
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https://www.nba.com/thunder/news/burton-180707
Old news and he made it very clear on SI interview he didn't leave MU because of playing time but because once his mother died he couldn't keep hos head on basketball while in MKE so he needed to leave MKE. Depression is a terrible disease
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Old news and he made it very clear on SI interview he didn't leave MU because of playing time but because once his mother died he couldn't keep hos head on basketball while in MKE so he needed to leave MKE. Depression is a terrible disease
While true, let's not ignore that being benched behind Sandy Cohen, AND seeing Derrick Wilson playing the bottom of the 1-3-1 zone, certainly didn't help Deonte's depression/sadness over losing his Mom. 16 minutes per game coming off an All Big East freshman year, regardless of the passing of his Mom, was inexcusable IMO.
The kid is hurting, AND you get mindf$cked in the above manner? Nail in the coffin to definitely move on/transfer.
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Wojo has forgotten more than we know. I know, I know, WE are not strong on humility. We are MARQUETTE.
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Wojo has forgotten more than we know. I know, I know, WE are not strong on humility. We are MARQUETTE.
Lord I hope not. If so, it has to be early-onset Alzheimer's.
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While true, let's not ignore that being benched behind Sandy Cohen, AND seeing Derrick Wilson playing the bottom of the 1-3-1 zone, certainly didn't help Deonte's depression/sadness over losing his Mom. 16 minutes per game coming off an All Big East freshman year, regardless of the passing of his Mom, was inexcusable IMO.
The kid is hurting, AND you get mindf$cked in the above manner? Nail in the coffin to definitely move on/transfer.
Burton directly stated why he left. Here you are painting an entirely different picture to hate on Wojo.
So good.
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https://www.nba.com/thunder/news/burton-180707
Players leave.... For a variety of reasons..... And Burton's was among the best.
Nothing to see here.
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Burton directly stated why he left. Here you are painting an entirely different picture to hate on Wojo.
So good.
And predictable.
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And predictable.
Rich in irony.
Any athlete with any degree of pride aint gonna be happy sitting behind a clearly inferior player.
Anyone who would suggest that Burton should have gotten 16 minutes a game on that team, that year, is simply choosing to be an idiot.
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Rich in irony.
Any athlete with any degree of pride aint gonna be happy sitting behind a clearly inferior player.
Anyone who would suggest that Burton should have gotten 16 minutes a game on that team, that year, is simply choosing to be an idiot.
Just. F*cking. Drop. It.
Goes away only to come back pushing the same stuck button.
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Rich in irony.
Any athlete with any degree of pride aint gonna be happy sitting behind a clearly inferior player.
Anyone who would suggest that Burton should have gotten 16 minutes a game on that team, that year, is simply choosing to be an idiot.
You have no fckng idea what depression does. STFU
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While true, let's not ignore that being benched behind Sandy Cohen, AND seeing Derrick Wilson playing the bottom of the 1-3-1 zone, certainly didn't help Deonte's depression/sadness over losing his Mom. 16 minutes per game coming off an All Big East freshman year, regardless of the passing of his Mom, was inexcusable IMO.
The kid is hurting, AND you get mindf$cked in the above manner? Nail in the coffin to definitely move on/transfer.
For the bajillionth time.
Derrick Wilson was a PG. His time didn't impact Deonte's.
Sandy Cohen started over Deonte Burton exactly 3 times, the first three games of the season.
Sandy Cohen got more minutes in Deonte Burton in exactly two games, the first two games of the season.
In the two games where Sandy got more minutes, he shot 6/10 from the floor. Deonte was 3/9. Sandy averaged 8.5 points, 3 rebounds, 1.0 assists, .5 steals and 1.5 turnovers. Deonte averaged 6.0 points, 0.5 rebounds, 0.0 assists, 0.5 steals, 0.5 blocks, and 1.5 turnovers.
Also, in 1 of the 2 games where Sandy played more minutes, Deonte racked up 4 fouls in 12 minutes, forcing Wojo to pull him early in both halves.
The remaining 6 games, Deonte got more minutes than Sandy in every game. In fact, in 3 of them he got 15+ more minutes than Sandy.
Please stop with the Deonte transferred because Sandy started over him bullcrap. 1. It's not true. 2. You're calling Deonte a liar given that he's repeatedly given his reasons for transfer. 3. You're implying that Deonte is so mentally soft that he couldn't stand that a teammate got more minutes than him in two games where the teammate played better than he did....even when he got more minutes than that teammate in every other game in the season.
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For the bajillionth time.
Derrick Wilson was a PG. His time didn't impact Deonte's.
Sandy Cohen started over Deonte Burton exactly 3 times, the first three games of the season.
Sandy Cohen got more minutes in Deonte Burton in exactly two games, the first two games of the season.
In the two games where Sandy got more minutes, he shot 6/10 from the floor. Deonte was 3/9. Sandy averaged 8.5 points, 3 rebounds, 1.0 assists, .5 steals and 1.5 turnovers. Deonte averaged 6.0 points, 0.5 rebounds, 0.0 assists, 0.5 steals, 0.5 blocks, and 1.5 turnovers.
Also, in 1 of the 2 games where Sandy played more minutes, Deonte racked up 4 fouls in 12 minutes, forcing Wojo to pull him early in both halves.
The remaining 6 games, Deonte got more minutes than Sandy in every game. In fact, in 3 of them he got 15+ more minutes than Sandy.
Please stop with the Deonte transferred because Sandy started over him bullcrap. 1. It's not true. 2. You're calling Deonte a liar given that he's repeatedly given his reasons for transfer. 3. You're implying that Deonte is so mentally soft that he couldn't stand that a teammate got more minutes than him in two games where the teammate played better than he did....even when he got more minutes than that teammate in every other game in the season.
Plus I'm sure he didn't read tjhe complete SI article where Burton said after his mother died he had no interest in playing basketball, but didn't tell anybody about it, and he had to get away from MKE to be able to focus.
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I dont know if deonte deserved more or less time on a bad team or for what reason he left, but i do know for the season plus that he was at MU he was very possibly the worst defensive player I ever saw at MU. As bad as his defense was, his effort on that end was even worse.
Turned out to be a fine player but to argue a young player with that defensive effort should have received more playing time indicates a severe lack of knowledge of what gets and then keeps young basketball players on the court.
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Turned out to be a fine player but to argue a young player with that defensive effort should have received more playing time indicates a severe lack of knowledge of what gets and then keeps young basketball players on the court.
I don't think you understand, sir. Ners could dunk in high school.
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Plus I'm sure he didn't read tjhe complete SI article where Burton said after his mother died he had no interest in playing basketball, but didn't tell anybody about it, and he had to get away from MKE to be able to focus.
I read the article. What does Deonte gain by bashing Wojo in any interview surrounding his transfer? How many kids transfer out of a program and bad mouth the coach/program?
If you think depression is cured by relocation to Ames, Iowa, perhaps you should re-evaluate how much you think you know about depression.
Things are multi-factorial. To dismiss the notion that Deonte having a much smaller role than he, or most any objective MU basketball fan would have thought going into that season didn't factor into decision to leave, is just ignorant.
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I read the article. What does Deonte gain by bashing Wojo in any interview surrounding his transfer? How many kids transfer out of a program and bad mouth the coach/program?
If you think depression is cured by relocation to Ames, Iowa, perhaps you should re-evaluate how much you think you know about depression.
Things are multi-factorial. To dismiss the notion that Deonte having a much smaller role than he, or most any objective MU basketball fan would have thought going into that season didn't factor into decision to leave, is just ignorant.
I agree with this analysis.
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I dont know if deonte deserved more or less time on a bad team or for what reason he left, but i do know for the season plus that he was at MU he was very possibly the worst defensive player I ever saw at MU. As bad as his defense was, his effort on that end was even worse.
Turned out to be a fine player but to argue a young player with that defensive effort should have received more playing time indicates a severe lack of knowledge of what gets and then keeps young basketball players on the court.
While, no doubt Wojo saw it the same way as you. Derrick Wilson is case in point to your theory.
Personally, I like to play guys who can actually play and make a meaningful difference in a game despite not being spastic. Deonte's steal and block percentages were among the best in the conference as a freshman, and that trend continued in his time at Iowa State.
Can't coach good instincts. Effort without results is irrelevant.
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I agree with this analysis.
Herman=Ners
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While, no doubt Wojo saw it the same way as you. Derrick Wilson is case in point to your theory.
Personally, I like to play guys who can actually play and make a meaningful difference in a game despite not being spastic. Deonte's steal and block percentages were among the best in the conference as a freshman, and that trend continued in his time at Iowa State.
Can't coach good instincts. Effort without results is irrelevant.
Deonte was a bad defensive player. Anyone who has an understanding for basketball can see it. Steals and blocks are frosting. A cake that's all frosting and no cake really isn't a cake at all.
Give me a sound defensive player who understands how to play within a scheme any day. That's why, regardless of the accolades, I would rather have a Dominic James type player than a Jerel McNeal type player on defense.
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If you think depression is cured by relocation to Ames, Iowa, perhaps you should re-evaluate how much you think you know about depression.
As is par for the course for you, you are completely wrong.
One of the first recommendations for people suffering depressions, particularly if related to a specific event (like your Mother dying). Is to change your environment. To give yourself a fresh start.
Deonte was very clear in why he left.
Regarding defense and play. The knock against him by NBA scouts was that he was wildly inconsistent and lacked a professional approach. That he only tried when he wanted to. That leads to a flashy steal/block here and there, but a massive liability the majority of the time. So NBA scouts disagree with you too.
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Oh good, Ners is back once again endlessly arguing the same topics from four seasons ago. Joy.
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As is par for the course for you, you are completely wrong.
One of the first recommendations for people suffering depressions, particularly if related to a specific event (like your Mother dying). Is to change your environment. To give yourself a fresh start.
Deonte was very clear in why he left.
Regarding defense and play. The knock against him by NBA scouts was that he was wildly inconsistent and lacked a professional approach. That he only tried when he wanted to. That leads to a flashy steal/block here and there, but a massive liability the majority of the time. So NBA scouts disagree with you too.
Yep.
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Can we save this guy some time and ban him again now before he ruins the board for the second time?
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As is par for the course for you, you are completely wrong.
One of the first recommendations for people suffering depressions, particularly if related to a specific event (like your Mother dying). Is to change your environment. To give yourself a fresh start.
Deonte was very clear in why he left.
Regarding defense and play. The knock against him by NBA scouts was that he was wildly inconsistent and lacked a professional approach. That he only tried when he wanted to. That leads to a flashy steal/block here and there, but a massive liability the majority of the time. So NBA scouts disagree with you too.
Correct, exactly right about depression
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As is par for the course for you, you are completely wrong.
One of the first recommendations for people suffering depressions, particularly if related to a specific event (like your Mother dying). Is to change your environment. To give yourself a fresh start.
Deonte was very clear in why he left.
Regarding defense and play. The knock against him by NBA scouts was that he was wildly inconsistent and lacked a professional approach. That he only tried when he wanted to. That leads to a flashy steal/block here and there, but a massive liability the majority of the time. So NBA scouts disagree with you too.
Yep.
Deonte signed an NBA Contract and will be playing for the Oklahoma City Thunder this year.
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Whether Deonte left for personal reasons or playing time, Wojo lost a talented player with a lot of potential. But transfers happen within every program, for all kinds of reasons.
I might care about it today if losing our best players continued as a trend. I don't see that happening. More recent transfers -- such as Traci Carter, Sandy Cohen or Duane Wilson -- were a matter of better talent leading to better competition for playing time. The less talented players transferred, the more talented ones stayed.
So what's the point of fixating on Deonte's transfer? To "prove" that Wojo mishandled the situation? That he could have or should have done something different? Even if that were the case, so what? Losing talented players like Deonte hasn't been a persistent problem. This is a really old and tired argument, with little if any relevance.
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So what's the point of fixating on Deonte's transfer?
To prove himself "right" about something everyone on this board knows he has been wrong about for close to four years now.
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Deonte signed an NBA Contract and will be playing for the Oklahoma City Thunder this year.
Good! I hope he succeeds because he seems like a real good dude.
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Deonte signed an NBA Contract and will be playing for the Oklahoma City Thunder this year.
That doesn't refute anything in the quoted post
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Did I somehow turn on an internet portal to travel back to 2013????
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To prove himself "right" about something everyone on this board knows he has been wrong about for close to four years now.
Sorry everybody. I'm wrong. Athletes at the high major, or even high school level love riding the bench behind inferior players, and make the choice to stay in such situations when there are many suitors elsewhere.
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Sorry everybody. I'm wrong. Athletes at the high major, or even high school level love riding the bench behind inferior players, and make the choice to stay in such situations when there are many suitors elsewhere.
See TAMU’s post about who was riding the pine.
Old and tired. At least you finally got to the fact you are wrong.
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Sorry everybody. I'm wrong. Athletes at the high major, or even high school level love riding the bench behind inferior players, and make the choice to stay in such situations when there are many suitors elsewhere.
Bajillion and 1
For the bajillionth time.
Derrick Wilson was a PG. His time didn't impact Deonte's.
Sandy Cohen started over Deonte Burton exactly 3 times, the first three games of the season.
Sandy Cohen got more minutes in Deonte Burton in exactly two games, the first two games of the season.
In the two games where Sandy got more minutes, he shot 6/10 from the floor. Deonte was 3/9. Sandy averaged 8.5 points, 3 rebounds, 1.0 assists, .5 steals and 1.5 turnovers. Deonte averaged 6.0 points, 0.5 rebounds, 0.0 assists, 0.5 steals, 0.5 blocks, and 1.5 turnovers.
Also, in 1 of the 2 games where Sandy played more minutes, Deonte racked up 4 fouls in 12 minutes, forcing Wojo to pull him early in both halves.
The remaining 6 games, Deonte got more minutes than Sandy in every game. In fact, in 3 of them he got 15+ more minutes than Sandy.
Please stop with the Deonte transferred because Sandy started over him bullcrap. 1. It's not true. 2. You're calling Deonte a liar given that he's repeatedly given his reasons for transfer. 3. You're implying that Deonte is so mentally soft that he couldn't stand that a teammate got more minutes than him in two games where the teammate played better than he did....even when he got more minutes than that teammate in every other game in the season.
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You have no fckng idea what depression does. STFU
Ners, yes, STFU on this topic. PM me if you want to know why.
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Deonte signed an NBA Contract and will be playing for the Oklahoma City Thunder this year.
Actually, Deonte signed a 2-way contract. That means he can spend a maximum of 45 days (not games, but calendar days) in the NBA while the rest of his time will be in the G-League. As an example, the Hornets' two 2-way players last year combined to play 48 total minutes.
Still, congrats to Deonte. He can make $200K+, he can get a taste of the big time, and he can learn without having to starve.
Plus, he can be confident that Ners will argue 10 years from now that Deonte should have be playing over Westbrook, Adams and George.
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Sorry everybody. I'm wrong. Athletes at the high major, or even high school level love riding the bench behind inferior players, and make the choice to stay in such situations when there are many suitors elsewhere.
FIFY
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Actually, Deonte signed a 2-way contract. That means he can spend a maximum of 45 days (not games, but calendar days) in the NBA while the rest of his time will be in the G-League. As an example, the Hornets' two 2-way players last year combined to play 48 total minutes.
Still, congrats to Deonte. He can make $200K+, he can get a taste of the big time, and he can learn without having to starve.
Plus, he can be confident that Ners will argue 10 years from now that Deonte should have be playing over Westbrook, Adams and George.
So, he signed an NBA contract and will be playing with the OK City Thunder this year....
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Burton was a 3/4 in college......
Burton has changed his body.....
He actually has to play a "small 2" to make the NBA.....
Not many play defense in the NBA.....
Burton is human highlight real.....
He has a better chance to get a 2nd contract in the NBA more than Henry......Truth......
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Not many play defense in the NBA.....
Absolutely not true.
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With the Akanno signing, it is becoming clear the Wojo is learning from the fundamental weakness of last year's team. I am not saying that there will never be another small guard at MU. But Wojo is setting it up that there will never be two undersized guards on the floor at the same time trying to guard Big East power guards. Coach is now clearly recruiting players with length. I like this signing. A smart kid with size and a lot of upside but not a ton of hype coming onto a team that does not need him to be an immediate contributor. Wojo is learning.
Is Wojo learning or did Wojo already know what everyone who watches basketball already knows - you want the best talent and talent that is taller and more athletic tends to be better.
I don't think Wojo set out to get two sub 6'0" guards, but he had the opportunity to get two great shooters and took the opportunity. It wasn't like Wojo said geeze - there is this one guy who wants to come to MU and he is a great talent, athletic, great shooter, but he is 6'3" so I won't take him - I want the shorter guy.
So, I don't think it is learning as much as who wants to come and who is available. Bigger, faster, stronger, athletic, skilled... we all know that. But so does NC, Duke, Kentucky, etc, etc.
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So, I don't think it is learning as much as who wants to come and who is available. Bigger, faster, stronger, athletic, skilled... we all know that. But so does NC, Duke, Kentucky, etc, etc.
I think the difference is that when he was at Duke, the most skilled players were targeted, and since they were mostly top 50 kids, they were automatically bigger, faster, and stronger.
At MU, he started out going for either one or the other. Wally was extremely athletic, but not a great bball player, Sandy was big (for a guard) but not super talented, Matt is a big but not super talented (love the kid though), Rowsey was a great shooter, but not great athlete.
Now he's finding the right balance. Greg is a great athlete (that needs to put on some more weight) and a good bball player, same with Jamal, same (allegedly) with Brendan. You still have to get those high impact players (Henry, Markus, Nico), but the balance on the role players is becoming better and more consistent, which suggests that he's learning.
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So, he signed an NBA contract and will be playing with the OK City Thunder this year....
Yes he did. I provided additional information because it is not the same kind of contract that the 15 OKC players who didn't have to sign 2-way contract got. Not sure why having additional information would bother you or anybody else.
Not many play defense in the NBA.....
NBA coaches demand very good defense from their players.
Yes, a great offensive player can get away with playing mediocre (or worse) defense, but I don't think you're claiming that Burton is going to be the next Harden, James or Iverson, are you? And some very good offensive players also might be kept around despite being mediocre defenders.
If Deonte was either of those things, he wouldn't be on a 2-way contract that will limit him to 45 days in the NBA this season. He would have been one of the 450 players to receive full NBA contracts.
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As is par for the course for you, you are completely wrong.
One of the first recommendations for people suffering depressions, particularly if related to a specific event (like your Mother dying). Is to change your environment. To give yourself a fresh start.
Yes and no. Not that black and white, but also depends on the makeup of the person. Some fighting depresssion relocate for a fresh start and are so isolated with no support group it makes matters worse. Others, the fresh start is just what the doctor ordered.
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Bajillion and 1
Deonte played 11 minutes in his last game as a Warrior, against Wisconsin, in a game where we scored 38 points for the whole game. He played over 20 minutes in 1 game out of 9 that season.
You are who you guard, typically in basketball. There were plenty of times we had 5 guys on the court, playing our zone, with Derrick Wilson at the bottom of our zone. Carlino and/or Duane were more than capable initiating our offense.
Last I'll say on the topic, but people need to STFU with the notion that Wojo came into a bare cupboard (which is what once again ignited this topic.)
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Last I'll say on the topic, but people need to STFU with the notion that Wojo came into a bare cupboard (which is what once again ignited this topic.)
Actually no. I won't. Because I grow weary of the narrative that you falsely expound.
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Ners, yes, STFU on this topic. PM me if you want to know why.
Sent him an apologetic PM. And also sorry to you if I offended with my commentary/viewpoint on depression.
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Last I'll say on the topic
I wish I could believe you.
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I wish I could believe you.
If someone has time on their hands they should go through and quote the million times Ners has said "last I'll say on the topic" regarding this
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Deonte played 11 minutes in his last game as a Warrior, against Wisconsin, in a game where we scored 38 points for the whole game. He played over 20 minutes in 1 game out of 9 that season.
If you want to say minutes were a factor that would be one thing. But the narrative that starting Sandy over Deonte was a contributing factor is incorrect.
Last I'll say on the topic, but people need to STFU with the notion that Wojo came into a bare cupboard (which is what once again ignited this topic.)
He inherited a team that missed the NIT the season before, lost 5/6 of its top minute getters (the 1 being Derrick Wilson), and most of its incoming recruiting class. That's pretty bare. There's a reason no one picked us anywhere close to the tournament. I think we were picked to finish 8th in the Big East by the coaches.
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I drive a Dodge Stratus!
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Actually no. I won't. Because I grow weary of the narrative that you falsely expound.
So your opinion that Wojo inherited nothing and a bare cupboard is right, and mine suggesting that all of: Burton, Fischer, Johnson, Dawson, Wilson, Steve Taylor could play, and that Juan Anderson and Derrick Wilson were capable 15 and 10 minute back ups is wrong and equates to an empty cupboard?
Gotcha.
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So your opinion that Wojo inherited nothing and a bare cupboard is right, and mine suggesting that all of: Burton, Fischer, Johnson, Dawson, Wilson, Steve Taylor could play, and that Juan Anderson and Derrick Wilson were capable 15 and 10 minute back ups is wrong and equates to an empty cupboard?
Gotcha.
Lol if you think that is anything but a bare cupboard, particularly given that almost all of those players had almost no experience.
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So your opinion that Wojo inherited nothing and a bare cupboard is right, and mine suggesting that all of: Burton, Fischer, Johnson, Dawson, Wilson, Steve Taylor could play, and that Juan Anderson and Derrick Wilson were capable 15 and 10 minute back ups is wrong and equates to an empty cupboard?
Gotcha.
You are correct. It is an opinion. An opinion supported by stats, facts and logic.
And while Wojo technically inherited Burton, he was gowne no matta who was coaching the second his mother passed.
Think about this for a second. You keep insisting that players like Fischer, Johnson, Dawson, Duane, and Taylor were good players. Between all five of them, they combined for zero career All Big East appearances. Zero. They didn't even get a single honorable mention.
If these guys were as good as you insisted as sophomores, don't you think they would have been All Big East level by the time they were seniors? Or at least honorable mentions? Fischer and Johnson were solid starters by their senior year but not when Wojo inherited them. Taylor and Dawson had to transfer to low majors to find playing time. Duane I think had the talent but unfortunately had destroyed his legs before Wojo got there.
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So your opinion that Wojo inherited nothing and a bare cupboard is right, and mine suggesting that all of: Burton, Fischer, Johnson, Dawson, Wilson, Steve Taylor could play, and that Juan Anderson and Derrick Wilson were capable 15 and 10 minute back ups is wrong and equates to an empty cupboard?
Gotcha.
So you actually think that group of inexperienced players who ended up role players at best meant a "full cupboard?"
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/683e27d3d70b05e7f6087a6c355ebf0c/tenor.gif?itemid=9445212)
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Sent him an apologetic PM. And also sorry to you if I offended with my commentary/viewpoint on depression.
Thank you.
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With the Akanno signing, it is becoming clear the Wojo is learning from the fundamental weakness of last year's team. I am not saying that there will never be another small guard at MU. But Wojo is setting it up that there will never be two undersized guards on the floor at the same time trying to guard Big East power guards. Coach is now clearly recruiting players with length. I like this signing. A smart kid with size and a lot of upside but not a ton of hype coming onto a team that does not need him to be an immediate contributor. Wojo is learning.
Back to the original topic. Do you think Wojo would not recruit another Markus Howard or that he would not take another Rowsey transfer, if he had an opening in the roster?
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Back to the original topic. Do you think Wojo would not recruit another Markus Howard or that he would not take another Rowsey transfer, if he had an opening in the roster?
I think it would depend. I don't think he'd take one that he expected to play alongside Markus. Maybe an elite talent after Howard graduates.
I also think people don't realize that going from the ACC to the Big East was a legit adjustment in PG size. Kyron Cartwright was the only 6'0" or shorter starter outside MU last year. Compare that to the ACC he left. Larkin at Miami, Paige at UNC, Evans at Virginia, Cook at Duke, he was used to PGs in that 5'10" to 6'0" range that weren't tremendously outsized.
This is a league of bigger lead guards. Half the league had starting PGs that were 6'4" or taller. Howard and Rowsey were a reaction to our 2015 offense & were like the ACC PGs he was used to. Players like Elliott, Chartouny, McEwen, & Akanno are good indicators he has figured out that what works in the ACC doesn't necessarily work as well here.
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He learned not to bring in two of the most prolific scorers in D1 basketball last year?? Please with the revisionist history. Victim of circumstance with players leaving. Not everything happens in a vacuum.
Yes, I agree with this. It is not really a situation of learning, but what is available and willing to play at MU.
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So you actually think that group of inexperienced players who ended up role players at best meant a "full cupboard?"
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/683e27d3d70b05e7f6087a6c355ebf0c/tenor.gif?itemid=9445212)
Not a full cupboard by any means, but Burton ended up a 2nd team All Big 12 player, Luke was a solid starter from day 1 and JJJ was more than a role player his senior year.
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Deonte played 11 minutes in his last game as a Warrior, against Wisconsin, in a game where we scored 38 points for the whole game. He played over 20 minutes in 1 game out of 9 that season.
You are who you guard, typically in basketball. There were plenty of times we had 5 guys on the court, playing our zone, with Derrick Wilson at the bottom of our zone. Carlino and/or Duane were more than capable initiating our offense.
Last I'll say on the topic, but people need to STFU with the notion that Wojo came into a bare cupboard (which is what once again ignited this topic.)
I agree with this analysis.
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Not a full cupboard by any means, but Burton ended up a 2nd team All Big 12 player, Luke was a solid starter from day 1 and JJJ was more than a role player his senior year.
Yes. I phrased that poorly.
But the point remains, their experienced players were bad and their decent players were inexperienced.
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I drive a Dodge Stratus!
Nice.....
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Yes. I phrased that poorly.
But the point remains, their experienced players were bad and their decent players were inexperienced.
This is what it comes down to.
If we judged each team by how all the players eventually fared then it's riduculous that 06-13 we weren't even better seeing as a few of those teams had as many as 5 NBA players. By Ners' logic Jimmy Butler should've been a starter in 08-09 because he's an all NBA player now.
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This is what it comes down to.
If we judged each team by how all the players eventually fared then it's riduculous that 06-13 we weren't even better seeing as a few of those teams had as many as 5 NBA players. By Ners' logic Jimmy Butler should've been a starter in 08-09 because he's an all NBA player now.
Exactly. Professional player does not equal automatic four years of stud college playing. Of the Amigos, Dom almost left after his Freshman year, Rel was the all time leading scorer, and Wes was the one that stuck in the NBA. Not trying to say Wes was a bad college player (one of my all time favorites actually), but he didn't have the accolades that the other two had.
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https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1043255282753781760
Love the one on one drills with players who will be competing for minutes going up against each other. Looks like they're getting after each other.
Didn't see Sam in the 5 on 5 work, but he was going full contact one on one against Bailey. Had a nice drive to the hoop with the left on Bailey, and Bailey had a nice turn around jumper from about 12 along the baseline over Sam (who played good defense and forced Bailey to make the nice jumper). If Bailey's got that in his arsenal consistently and can shoot as well as I've heard he can, even I might have underestimated him.
Physically, Sacar is a man compared to Jamal.
Didn’t see Heldt.
I don’t think this team will get pushed around the next 2 years.
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Very last shot: Joey burying a 3 from the corner.
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https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1043255282753781760
Love the one on one drills with players who will be competing for minutes going up against each other. Looks like they're getting after each other.
Didn't see Sam in the 5 on 5 work, but he was going full contact one on one against Bailey. Had a nice drive to the hoop with the left on Bailey, and Bailey had a nice turn around jumper from about 12 along the baseline over Sam (who played good defense and forced Bailey to make the nice jumper). If Bailey's got that in his arsenal consistently and can shoot as well as I've heard he can, even I might have underestimated him.
Physically, Sacar is a man compared to Jamal.
Didn’t see Heldt.
I don’t think this team will get pushed around the next 2 years.
Heldt is hurt
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I liked Sacar's drive and man-to-man defense. Positions himself well and absorbs contact without giving ground. Looks confident and intense. Don't know whether he'll start at the three, but think he'll earn his share of minutes.
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Heldt is hurt
Got it, hadn’t heard that, thanks.
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There is not going to be any room for shrinking violets in practice.
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Got it, hadn’t heard that, thanks.
Broken toe
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Really looking forward to seeing this group of kids against Cooley &Company .Those Providence games always seem to be a tough physical battle and a lot of fun.
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Broken toe
That's right. Weight room incident.
Or did his girlfriend drop some luggage on his foot?
https://nesn.com/2012/05/jonathan-lucroy-breaks-hand-after-wife-drops-suitcase-looking-for-lost-sock/
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I liked Sacar's drive and man-to-man defense. Positions himself well and absorbs contact without giving ground. Looks confident and intense. Don't know whether he'll start at the three, but think he'll earn his share of minutes.
He averaged 27 mpg last year. Was over 30 for most of the second half of the year. He was ahead of Jamal in the rotation too.
He will get plenty of time this year.
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https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1043255282753781760
Love the one on one drills with players who will be competing for minutes going up against each other. Looks like they're getting after each other.
Didn't see Sam in the 5 on 5 work, but he was going full contact one on one against Bailey. Had a nice drive to the hoop with the left on Bailey, and Bailey had a nice turn around jumper from about 12 along the baseline over Sam (who played good defense and forced Bailey to make the nice jumper). If Bailey's got that in his arsenal consistently and can shoot as well as I've heard he can, even I might have underestimated him.
Physically, Sacar is a man compared to Jamal.
Didn’t see Heldt.
I don’t think this team will get pushed around the next 2 years.
On those one on ones saw lots of traveling bc of draging or coming off pivot foot before dribbling, hope that get corrected