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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: 4everwarriors on October 14, 2019, 07:42:06 AM
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Shockin' old knews. Pretty sure dats bin da lady's fashion trend four years now, hey?
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I'll have to get more city states under my influence and reverse this decision
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Next up? Coach, Gucci and Birkenstock’s...say it ain’t so!
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Don't they have better things to do with their legislative time than this?
Good grief. The things people obsess over.
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We should be able to kill animals to indulge our vanity.
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Don't they have better things to do with their legislative time than this?
Good grief. The things people obsess over.
Seems like it was a pretty simple vote. Took next to no time and was popular in their state. Honestly, seems like the people obsessing over it are people from outside the state that it doesn't even affect.
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We should be able to kill animals to indulge our vanity.
And eat them too.
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Seems like it was a pretty simple vote. Took next to no time and was popular in their state. Honestly, seems like the people obsessing over it are people from outside the state that it doesn't even affect.
Because really stupid ideas here become really stupid ideas elsewhere, which is why so many people are leaving this hell hole they have created.
If Jockey only knew how many products he and his family use daily involving dead animals.
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And eat them too.
I know you are being snarky ( I do it enough to be able to recognize it), but eating is about life. The world’s agriculture could not support vegan-ism if everyone ate no meat.
I have no problem with hunters who eat their prey. People who kill elephants for the tusk while letting the rest of these majestic animals rot can burn in h@ll.
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There are many that would disagree with you on eating animals.
So who the heck Is right???
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I remember making the mistake of wearing a leather bomber jacket to a protest a few decades ago. A flower child forgot about our common purpose in order to accost me about meat being murder. Me laughing at her did not improve her opinion of me.
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I know you are being snarky ( I do it enough to be able to recognize it), but eating is about life. The world’s agriculture could not support vegan-ism if everyone ate no meat.
I have no problem with hunters who eat their prey. People who kill elephants for the tusk while letting the rest of these majestic animals rot can burn in h@ll.
With you. Eating meat is for sustenance and survival. Wearing fur (almost always animals that not consumed) serves no reasonable or legitimate purpose other than vanity.
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With you. Eating meat is for sustenance and survival. Wearing fur (almost always animals that not consumed) serves no reasonable or legitimate purpose other than vanity.
Fellas, that’s just your opinion.
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Fellas, that’s just your opinion.
So, what legitimate purpose is there for wearing fir? If you’re going say something is just an opinion but you should provide a factual rebuttal to back up your opinion.
I also find it amusing that the people (particularly online) most upset over this couldn’t afford a fir coat anyway. It like the people who openly boycott Chik-Fil-A but don’t live anywhere near one.
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So, what legitimate purpose is there for wearing fir?
To let people know you can afford to wear fur.
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So, what legitimate purpose is there for wearing fir? If you’re going say something is just an opinion but you should provide a factual rebuttal to back up your opinion.
I also find it amusing that the people (particularly online) most upset over this couldn’t afford a fir coat anyway. It like the people who openly boycott Chik-Fil-A but don’t live anywhere near one.
Why just fur? How about leather? My point is that it is just an opinion. Just like mine.
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So, what legitimate purpose is there for wearing fir? If you’re going say something is just an opinion but you should provide a factual rebuttal to back up your opinion.
I also find it amusing that the people (particularly online) most upset over this couldn’t afford a fir coat anyway. It like the people who openly boycott Chik-Fil-A but don’t live anywhere near one.
Who would want a coat made put of pine needles?
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Who would want a coat made put of pine needles?
The Stanford mascot?
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Why just fur? How about leather? My point is that it is just an opinion. Just like mine.
What becomes leather is coming from an animal that is also being killed for food (necessary fir sustenance). It’s using the entire animal. Mink, foxes, chinchillas, nutria, they are killed only for their pelts and nothing more.
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With you. Eating meat is for sustenance and survival. Wearing fur (almost always animals that not consumed) serves no reasonable or legitimate purpose other than vanity.
Never owned one, but I'm told they keep folks warm in extreme cold.
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I would be much happier if they would ban needles, pissing and crapping on the sidewalks, and a whole host of other things....but these guys working hard to turn the state around banning straws and fur... progress...
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There are many that would disagree with you on eating animals.
So who the heck Is right???
Both.
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Never owned one, but I'm told they keep folks warm in extreme cold.
Warm weather elitist. 8-)
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If the states duly elected representatives put this law in place far be it from me to criticize. Now, I wouldn't support it in my state, not because I want to wear I fur(I don't), but because I generally try to avoid laws that tell other people how to live their life when it has no bearing on how I live mine
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Seems like it was a pretty simple vote. Took next to no time and was popular in their state. Honestly, seems like the people obsessing over it are people from outside the state that it doesn't even affect.
it doesn't affect? i hope not. unfortunately, some things originated in california and continued forward even as they had already failed
just saw chicos comment-brilliant minds...
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How would a ban on fur “fail?”
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What becomes leather is coming from an animal that is also being killed for food (necessary fir sustenance). It’s using the entire animal. Mink, foxes, chinchillas, nutria, they are killed only for their pelts and nothing more.
dust to dust...fertilizer
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What becomes leather is coming from an animal that is also being killed for food (necessary fir sustenance). It’s using the entire animal. Mink, foxes, chinchillas, nutria, they are killed only for their pelts and nothing more.
Some of my best friends are mink farmers, trust me they also use the whole animal. Mink carcasses are rendered and used in various different things including pet food. So if you have a cat or dog, you've probably been feeding them rendered byproducts from an animal that was harvested for its fur.
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Some of my best friends are mink farmers, trust me they also use the whole animal. Mink carcasses are rendered and used in various different things including pet food. So if you have a cat or dog, you've probably been feeding them rendered byproducts from an animal that was harvested for its fur.
This is a discussion about California laws; please keep facts and common sense out of it.
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Some of my best friends are mink farmers, trust me they also use the whole animal. Mink carcasses are rendered and used in various different things including pet food. So if you have a cat or dog, you've probably been feeding them rendered byproducts from an animal that was harvested for its fur.
Does this change opinions?
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Next, they should ban green dresses.
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Some of my best friends are mink farmers, trust me they also use the whole animal. Mink carcasses are rendered and used in various different things including pet food. So if you have a cat or dog, you've probably been feeding them rendered byproducts from an animal that was harvested for its fur.
Didn't know that, interesting.
Generally speaking, I'd err on the side of letting people be free as opposed to restricting freedoms but to each their own as their representatives select. I will also say the intellectual inconsistency on both sides of the aisle when it comes to allowing or restricting freedoms continues to astound me.
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Next, they should ban green dresses.
But not a real green dress, that's cruel....
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But not a real green dress, that's cruel....
Which is precisely why they should be banned.
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Some of my best friends are mink farmers, trust me they also use the whole animal. Mink carcasses are rendered and used in various different things including pet food. So if you have a cat or dog, you've probably been feeding them rendered byproducts from an animal that was harvested for its fur.
i worked on a mink ranch on weekends thru high school. a lot of hard work, but so much more interesting and different than any other job i had. i can attest to what turtle had to say. fur is a renewable resource that it just so happens that some place a value on it
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i worked on a mink ranch on weekends thru high school. a lot of hard work, but so much more interesting and different than any other job i had. i can attest to what turtle had to say. fur is a renewable resource that it just so happens that some place a value on it
To be honest, I never really thought of it in those terms. Makes sense though.
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Does this change opinions?
No. Clothing made of fur is still unnecessary and the result of cruelty to animals.
Besides, my cat's food is imported from Italy. No mink parts in there.
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No. Clothing made of fur is still unnecessary and the result of cruelty to animals.
Are mink farms any more cruel than a typical chicken farm? Dairy farm? As long as they are run ethically, I don't see a problem.
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No. Clothing made of fur is still unnecessary and the result of cruelty to animals.
Besides, my cat's food is imported from Italy. No mink parts in there.
Unnecessary to whom? You? By all means don't buy fur, but why should a fur coat be any different than any other farmed resource? Why should your lifestyle choices or preferences be forced on anyone else?
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Unnecessary to whom? You? By all means don't buy fur, but why should a fur coat be any different than any other farmed resource? Why should your lifestyle choices or preferences be forced on anyone else?
Not specific to mink/fur, but don't we do this all the time?
We kill about 35 million cows a year for food, but horse slaughter is outlawed. Because horses are better looking.
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Not specific to mink/fur, but don't we do this all the time?
We kill about 35 million cows a year for food, but horse slaughter is outlawed. Because horses are better looking.
Don't disagree. I'm all for slaughtering horses too if there's a use to it.
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No. Clothing made of fur is still unnecessary and the result of cruelty to animals.
Besides, my cat's food is imported from Italy. No mink parts in there.
Proven dead wrong on your assertions but digging in anyway. America, 2019.
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Brazil also bans fur, aina?
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No. Clothing made of fur is still unnecessary and the result of cruelty to animals.
Besides, my cat's food is imported from Italy. No mink parts in there.
might it be cruel to wear live mink all over town, eyn'a?
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No. Clothing made of fur is still unnecessary and the result of cruelty to animals.
Besides, my cat's food is imported from Italy. No mink parts in there.
Italian cuisine....nice
:)
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No. Clothing made of fur is still unnecessary and the result of cruelty to animals.
Besides, my cat's food is imported from Italy. No mink parts in there.
That's quite the carbon footprint for cat food. No mice where you live bruh?
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That's quite the carbon footprint for cat food. No mice where you live bruh?
mice probably give the little feller gas
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Some of my best friends are mink farmers, trust me they also use the whole animal. Mink carcasses are rendered and used in various different things including pet food. So if you have a cat or dog, you've probably been feeding them rendered byproducts from an animal that was harvested for its fur.
While some are rendered for meat meal, many are simply incinerated and disposed of. And unless you are buying the cheapest crappiest dog food possible then mink and other fur byproducts are not in your dog food.
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Brazil also bans fur, aina?
Didn't you already try that exact same joke in this same thread?
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That's quite the carbon footprint for cat food. No mice where you live bruh?
She's purely an indoor cat. My local pet store carries the Italian stuff and she loved it when we got a sample so we made the switch. We used to get a brand out of Mequon but she tired of it and wasn't eating it. High maintenance cat!
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Didn't you already try that exact same joke in this same thread?
Same old song and dance with this cat, aina?
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While some are rendered for meat meal, many are simply incinerated and disposed of. And unless you are buying the cheapest crappiest dog food possible then mink and other fur byproducts are not in your dog food.
Like I said, many different uses for the carcasses, including pet foods. From my experience and my knowledge based on conversations with my friends, almost nothing is wasted. The meat, the fat and even the manure.
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This whole debate is kinda silly. Minks are rodents and they have no useful purpose apart from keeping people warm. Until they become endangered, why not? Same for foxes.
Next thing you know, someone will be out trying to "save the cockroach!"
Full disclosure: Neither I or Ms. Dgies wear fur. We do wear wool and and leather regularly.
All that said, with everything from forest fires to landslides to urban homeless problems, not to mention rolling electrical blackouts, the legislature in the State of California really does have better things to do. They really do.
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This whole debate is kinda silly. Minks are rodents and they have no useful purpose apart from keeping people warm. Until they become endangered, why not? Same for foxes.
So animal's worth should only be judged if they are deemed "useful" to humans?
And minks and foxes do serve a purpose anyway. They control rodent populations.
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All that said, with everything from forest fires to landslides to urban homeless problems, not to mention rolling electrical blackouts, the legislature in the State of California really does have better things to do. They really do.
The California legislature has 120 members and takes on roughly 6,000 items in a typical two-year cycle.
In other words, it's capable of dealing with more than one thing at a time. Including measures that may not be personally important to you.
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So animal's worth should only be judged if they are deemed "useful" to humans?
And minks and foxes do serve a purpose anyway. They control rodent populations.
The only good rodent is a dead badger.
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The California legislature has 120 members and takes on roughly 6,000 items in a typical two-year cycle.
In other words, it's capable of dealing with more than one thing at a time. Including measures that may not be personally important to you.
It has been my experience that governing bodies often tackle non-transformative actions first because they are easier and kick the can down the road on the hard stuff. I'd argue this mind-set directly refutes that they can in fact deal with more than one thing at a time. At the same time they passed this bill they also passed a bill on "piece part work" that has free lance writers howling that based on some of the twitter back and forth from some of the legislators involved indicates that they can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
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It has been my experience that governing bodies often tackle non-transformative actions first because they are easier and kick the can down the road on the hard stuff. I'd argue this mind-set directly refutes that they can in fact deal with more than one thing at a time. At the same time they passed this bill they also passed a bill on "piece part work" that has free lance writers howling that based on some of the twitter back and forth from some of the legislators involved indicates that they can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
OK.
Not sure what your experience with legislators is, but in my experience the harder bills get kicked down the road because there's less consensus and therefore the need for additional time to negotiate and amend while the easy stuff gets pushed through.
I know nothing about any legislation that has freelance writers mad or what lawmakers are tweeting about that.
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So animal's worth should only be judged if they are deemed "useful" to humans?
You new to humanity?
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Fascinating discussion. I learned enough to want to seek outside sources, and found a plethora. Lot's of hyperbolic statements here and elsewhere.
One small thing... how would this stop someone from just buying one elsewhere and bringing it back to CA? I suppose making it illegal to buy new in Cali will cut down on the volume sold, but it certainly won't end it.
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OK.
Not sure what your experience with legislators is, but in my experience the harder bills get kicked down the road because there's less consensus and therefore the need for additional time to negotiate and amend while the easy stuff gets pushed through.
I know nothing about any legislation that has freelance writers mad or what lawmakers are tweeting about that.
https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/10/21/20924781/freelance-journalists-writers-ab-5-california (https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/10/21/20924781/freelance-journalists-writers-ab-5-california) One interesting thing not covered in the article was the twitter dispute between two legislators (including the draft) got into around how the 35 articles per month number was arrived at. It seemed somewhat haphazard and arbitrary.
My experience with legislators is that the hard stuff is pushed off because it's easier to use as a cludgle politically than it is to do the amending and negotiation. But that's getting into politics so I've digressed too far
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Fluffy Blue Monster Response:
So animal's worth should only be judged if they are deemed "useful" to humans?
Of course. Isn't that the spoils of being on the top of the food chain? What's the point of being up here if you can't have any fun?
And minks and foxes do serve a purpose anyway. They control rodent populations.
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So does DCon! Much more effectively
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This whole debate is kinda silly. Minks are rodents and they have no useful purpose apart from keeping people warm. Until they become endangered, why not? Same for foxes.
Mink aren't rodents. Neither are foxes. They have far more in common with a lynx or wolf on the food chain and ecosystem than a rat or a rabbit. But that wouldn't help your point.
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So animal's worth should only be judged if they are deemed "useful" to humans?
Short answer:
I don't see the problem with farming any kind of animal if it is done in a humane manner.
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Short answer:
I don't see the problem with farming any kind of animal if it is done in a humane manner.
I don't either. But that's a far cry from "they serve no purpose."
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Short answer:
I don't see the problem with farming any kind of animal if it is done in a humane manner.
Is there a humane way to farm and slaughter animals?
I'm not a vegan/vegetarian or anything like that, but I don't believe there's anything humane about killing other creatures for our consumption. It's not wrong or unethical (IMO) and it's arguably a necessity, but it's not humane.
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So I just drove past the massive feed lots of eastern Colorado today. I think I'm getting a burger tonight.
I agree with the notion that the farming of animals for any legitimate use ranging from appropriate medical testing to food to clothing in any form is absolutely fine so long as their treatment is humane.
You know what pisses me off? When I see a fellow fisherman tie up his catch at the end of the pier for hours rather than respecting the resource and cleaning them in a timely manner. Catch/release or shore lunch/dinner. That's it.
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On a wonderment note: I have owned one house for 25 years in the midst of a bunch of retail and only three establishments are the same as move in day. Two bars and one fur storage store. The bars have gambling (now legal). What kinda racquets are being run in the back of the mink joynt?
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On a wonderment note: I have owned one house for 25 years in the midst of a bunch of retail and only three establishments are the same as move in day. Two bars and one fur storage store. The bars have gambling (now legal). What kinda racquets are being run in the back off the mink joynt?
Fur storage is highly profitable. You are charging someone $100 to hang their coat in an air conditioned room for six months.
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So I just drove past the massive feed lots of eastern Colorado today. I think I'm getting a burger tonight.
I agree with the notion that the farming of animals for any legitimate use ranging from appropriate medical testing to food to clothing in any form is absolutely fine so long as their treatment is humane.
So this is the trick, right? Hard to see anything about the massive CAFOs I think you're talking about, or any mink farm I'm familiar with, as humane.
Plus, does humane change by animal? The more we learn about animals, the more it has become pretty obvious that what was considered humane even a couple of years ago, isn't - and that in most cases, to make those practices humane would effectively price the product or industry out of existence.
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So this is the trick, right? Hard to see anything about the massive CAFOs I think you're talking about, or any mink farm I'm familiar with, as humane.
Plus, does humane change by animal? The more we learn about animals, the more it has become pretty obvious that what was considered humane even a couple of years ago, isn't - and that in most cases, to make those practices humane would effectively price the product or industry out of existence.
Go ask any farmer how feed lot cattle are treated. He'll tell you incredibly well because they are damn valuable. And my burger was very tasty tonight.
Oh, one more thing. Being a 'pet parent' is total bull. No animal should ever be elevated to the level of a human being. There is ZERO equivalency between raising a child and owning a dog.
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Go ask any farmer how feed lot cattle are treated. He'll tell you incredibly well because they are damn valuable. And my burger was very tasty tonight.
I don't think we're going to agree on a workable definition of humane.
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I don't think we're going to agree on a workable definition of humane.
What is a humane way to treat plants. We eat them alive, and they can hear themselves being eaten and lash out defensively.
https://www.sciencealert.com/plants-can-hear-themselves-being-eaten-researchers-have-discovered
They can also learn and have memories.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/phenomena/2015/12/15/can-a-plant-remember-this-one-seems-to-heres-the-evidence/
Yet despite all this people regularly chop their heads off and eat them alive. Talk about inhumane.
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And eat them too-SMOKED UP WITH HICKORY AND PECAN WOOD
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Do animals in the wild have humane deaths?
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Half the time we don't treat humans humanely.
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I don't think we're going to agree on a workable definition of humane.
i'm guessing you're right. So here's the question then. How do you put actions behind your views? If you have found a way, more power to you. :)
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i'm guessing you're right. So here's the question then. How do you put actions behind your views? If you have found a way, more power to you. :)
Thanks, and its admittedly difficult. I've tried to focus more on how I personally feel about this stuff, with a(n imperfect) degree of science behind it, and give up trying to stake out a position I can proselytize. My biggest issue used to be trying to be 100% consistent in a way that no one could ever call me a hypocrite - but that just froze me into inaction. There will always be a "what about this, what about that" and our food system (and preferences) just aren't set up to become totally humane, sustainable eaters overnight.
I started with pork. I had learned a bit about pig intelligence by accident, and honestly wasn't a big pork eater anyway. So that made me cut out pork other than bacon and sausages. Then I stopped getting bacon on things. After awhile, I stopped missing it, and now I probably eat pork less than five times per year. I've gotten used to the non-pork substitutes, but I won't pretend that a chicken brat is as good as a pork brat, either. Now I've moved onto beef, and I'm probably down to eating beef about twice per month. I won't kid myself that some non-humanely (my definition :)) beef doesn't sneak into those two dozen servings per year - but considering I used to eat beef about 3 times per week, it helps.
I still eat chicken about 3 times per week. Based on some science I've seen, chickens are less negatively impacted by some types of feeding operations than other animals, and are more efficient to raise by pound of protein from a sustainability angle. I probably go 2-3 days per week where I eat no meat at all. There are other animals I don't eat just because the psych impact outweighs the pleasure I'd get from it (veal stands out). My eating habits are still riddled with inconsistencies - PETA would splatter me with fake blood just like everyone else - but its moved in a direction I'm more comfortable with even if its still work in progress. Thanks for listening to my TED talk :P
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Go ask any farmer how feed lot cattle are treated. He'll tell you incredibly well because they are damn valuable.
Right about until the time they're forced into a slaughterhouse, shot in the head with a bolt gun, have their throats slashed and then are left to bleed out on a metal grate.
I have no problem with meat consumption or animal products, but why do we pretend that we go about this humanely? Violently killing a perfectly healthy creature in the prime of its life is anything but humane.
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Right about until the time they're forced into a slaughterhouse, shot in the head with a bolt gun, have their throats slashed and then are left to bleed out on a metal grate.
I have no problem with meat consumption or animal products, but why do we pretend that we go about this humanely? Violently killing a perfectly healthy creature in the prime of its life is anything but humane.
This is absolutely correct, there is nothing we really do with non-humans that is at all humane, it's a fallacy. Let's be honest with ourselves, we're on top of the food chain and we use all "lesser" animals/plants as our food supply and that involves murdering those entities. How we murder them almost doesn't matter because it's us trying feel better about it emotionally and not how the animal/plant feels about it because.....it dead.
People can feel however they feel but as long as possible I'm going to eat steak/burgers/bacon/insert food source without regret or concern. If we can find ways to improve the "outcome" for the entity, that's fine as long as it doesn't add to my bottom line because it does not matter to me.
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Last summer, a crow picked up a live baby rabbit. How did I know it was alive? Because it was squealing as the crow flew it across the street. A few minutes later, it flew to a nest with the bloody carcass.
I should have called the police, and had the crow arrested.
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Last summer, crow picked up a live baby rabbit. How did I know it was alive? Because it was squealing as the crow flew it across the street. A few minutes later, it flew to a nest with the bloody carcass.
I should have called the police, and had the crow arrested.
no schmit chili, i was watching this show one time. freakin animals goin at it, blood all over the place...those prison riots are nasty
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nvm
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Thanks, and its admittedly difficult. I've tried to focus more on how I personally feel about this stuff, with a(n imperfect) degree of science behind it, and give up trying to stake out a position I can proselytize. My biggest issue used to be trying to be 100% consistent in a way that no one could ever call me a hypocrite - but that just froze me into inaction. There will always be a "what about this, what about that" and our food system (and preferences) just aren't set up to become totally humane, sustainable eaters overnight.
I started with pork. I had learned a bit about pig intelligence by accident, and honestly wasn't a big pork eater anyway. So that made me cut out pork other than bacon and sausages. Then I stopped getting bacon on things. After awhile, I stopped missing it, and now I probably eat pork less than five times per year. I've gotten used to the non-pork substitutes, but I won't pretend that a chicken brat is as good as a pork brat, either. Now I've moved onto beef, and I'm probably down to eating beef about twice per month. I won't kid myself that some non-humanely (my definition :)) beef doesn't sneak into those two dozen servings per year - but considering I used to eat beef about 3 times per week, it helps.
I still eat chicken about 3 times per week. Based on some science I've seen, chickens are less negatively impacted by some types of feeding operations than other animals, and are more efficient to raise by pound of protein from a sustainability angle. I probably go 2-3 days per week where I eat no meat at all. There are other animals I don't eat just because the psych impact outweighs the pleasure I'd get from it (veal stands out). My eating habits are still riddled with inconsistencies - PETA would splatter me with fake blood just like everyone else - but its moved in a direction I'm more comfortable with even if its still work in progress. Thanks for listening to my TED talk :P
Good for you. I mean it sincerely.
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One day all of you meateaters will be on the wrong side of history.
Your grandchildren will grow up to be ashamed of you.
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One day all of you meateaters will be on the wrong side of history.
Your grandchildren will grow up to be ashamed of you.
Yeah but in 100 years, everyone will forget I was even alive. And when I was alive I got to eat meat.
I can live with that.
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One day all of you meateaters will be on the wrong side of history.
Your grandchildren will grow up to be ashamed of you.
That’s nice.
I had a great Filet Mignon last night...scrumptious. After watching Cam Newton’s drop off going Vegan, I am going to stick with meat moving forward.
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Grain-free, baby, hey?
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Grain-free, baby, hey?
https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/news-events/fda-investigation-potential-link-between-certain-diets-and-canine-dilated-cardiomyopathy
Think it's only canines who might be affected?
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One day all of you meateaters will be on the wrong side of history.
Your grandchildren will grow up to be ashamed of you.
history? didn't we evolve from hunters and gather'ers which included meat eaters?
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Guessin' canines meens somethin' different to ya dan it duz two mee, hey?
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Guessin' canines meens somethin' different to ya dan it duz two mee, hey?
we need 'em for rippin, tearin, root canals and crowns ;D
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we need 'em for rippin, tearin, root canals and crowns ;D
Aka retirement home, Cadillac, trophy wife and gambling, aina.
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Aka retirement home, Cadillac, trophy wife and gambling, aina.
don't forgot about the fur...
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Guessin' canines meens somethin' different to ya dan it duz two mee, hey?
Speaking of canines and not allowing stuff...these sons-of-bitches are actually thinking a little crazy...imagine the bitching that will go on if this happens doc?
https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2019/10/22/massachusetts-bitch-ban/
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One day all of you meateaters will be on the wrong side of history.
Your grandchildren will grow up to be ashamed of you.
Wha the eff are you talking about?
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Wha the eff are you talking about?
Sure as hell ain't Arby's, goddammit.
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Speaking of canines and not allowing stuff...these sons-of-bitches are actually thinking a little crazy...imagine the bitching that will go on if this happens doc?
https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2019/10/22/massachusetts-bitch-ban/
This is dumb. It also seems like not even the guy who introduced the bill thinks it should be passed.
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This is dumb. It also seems like not even the guy who introduced the bill thinks it should be passed.
But he proposed it anyway....amazing. He was for it before he was against it?
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But he proposed it anyway....amazing. He was for it before he was against it?
I think bill proposals are often done to either appease a constituent or make a statement.
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I think bill proposals are often done to either appease a constituent or make a statement.
No wonder why so little gets done and so many despise them...popularity ratings almost as bad as journalists.
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One day all of you meateaters will be on the wrong side of history.
Your grandchildren will grow up to be ashamed of you.
Ha. Classic. Well played my friend. Seriously funny stuff, thanks.
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No wonder why so little gets done and so many despise them...popularity ratings almost as bad as journalists.
Them? Are there popularity ratings for bill proposals as a whole?
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Them? Are there popularity ratings for bill proposals as a whole?
Them are those that put the proposals out there
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history? didn't we evolve from hunters and gather'ers which included meat eaters?
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I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat vegetables]