Transfer portal

[muguru]

I share your expectations. The problem is that I think that result would mean a mediocre team next year. If we hope to be an upper tier Big East team with a chance to make a little noise in March we’ll have to do better than that. We have lots of playing time to sell. Let’s hope we find a couple of buyers.

Lenny nails it completely. For me, it's all about next year right now. Again operating under the assumption that everyone will be eligible(if they want to be), in order for next year to be good, two of them are necessary. Not sure one of them is enough to get them in the tournament. Two?? yes, and the right combination could make next year REALLY good.

[HutchwasClutch]

I share your expectations. The problem is that I think that result would mean a mediocre team next year. If we hope to be an upper tier Big East team with a chance to make a little noise in March we’ll have to do better than that. We have lots of playing time to sell. Let’s hope we find a couple of buyers.

Not only playing time, but established players can immediately be the featured player(s), high usage, go to guy in crunch time, etc.  Who would a Turner or Carton (if he can gain immediate eligibility) see as competition for that role next year?  Garcia would be it, and he’s a complete unproven commodity, although likely to be a core guy from day one.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I share your expectations. The problem is that I think that result would mean a mediocre team next year. If we hope to be an upper tier Big East team with a chance to make a little noise in March we’ll have to do better than that. We have lots of playing time to sell. Let’s hope we find a couple of buyers.

I expect one transfer.  I expect to be mediocre next year.

[WarriorPride68]

Trying to steer this ship back on course...

Chris Williams, publisher at Cyclone Fanatic said Justin Turner is a “Missouri lean”. And also added that ISU & MU a top DeJulius final 4

[HutchwasClutch]

If we get any of these transfers, I’ll generally be happy and optimistic about them. But there is a major caveat after the epic failures of Chartouny, Morrow, and McEwen. We’ve been sold a bill of goods before on Wojo’s transfers, and I’m frankly tired of being let down by their miserable performances. 

Especially Turner coming from the MAC, color me a little skeptical about him. Carton would be the only one I would feel close to 100% assurance would be as good as advertised. 

[muguru]

Trying to steer this ship back on course...

Chris Williams, publisher at Cyclone Fanatic said Justin Turner is a “Missouri lean”. And also added that ISU & MU a top DeJulius final 4

He put that out there yesterday and I'd take it with a grain of salt because he also said "I expect him to announce Sunday or Monday", after it will already known Turner was announcing Monday.

[HutchwasClutch]

I expect one transfer.  I expect to be mediocre next year.

Think we’ll get two is my wild guess. No idea or prediction which combination. 

And then Wojo will deliver Wojoesque results because we all know who he is.

[WarriorPride68]

He put that out there yesterday and I'd take it with a grain of salt because he also said "I expect him to announce Sunday or Monday", after it will already known Turner was announcing Monday.

Turner aside, I would be very happy with DeJulius

[muguru]

If we get any of these transfers, I’ll generally be happy and optimistic about them. But there is a major caveat after the epic failures of Chartouny, Morrow, and McEwen. We’ve been sold a bill of goods before on Wojo’s transfers, and I’m frankly tired of being let down by their miserable performances. 

Especially Turner coming from the MAC, color me a little skeptical about him. Carton would be the only one I would feel close to 100% assurance would be as good as advertised.

I understand your skepticism, and it's warranted, but let's also not forget the good..Rowsey, Carlino etc, and I don't think McEwen's story has been completely written yet. As far as Turner goes, just remember this quote from a scout: Scout’s take: “Big-time three-level scorer. Has a gift for getting places with the ball. He is really good on or off the ball. He’s one of those guys, if he gets it going, you’re in for a long night. Whichever high-major he ends up at, he will likely be their best player.” The Mac also isn't as low of a level as say the Southern conference or something.

[WarriorPride68]

Btw for anyone on 247, muguru has got to be true golden eagles - running at 120% at all times

[brewcity77]

If we get any of these transfers, I’ll generally be happy and optimistic about them. But there is a major caveat after the epic failures of Chartouny, Morrow, and McEwen. We’ve been sold a bill of goods before on Wojo’s transfers, and I’m frankly tired of being let down by their miserable performances. 

Especially Turner coming from the MAC, color me a little skeptical about him. Carton would be the only one I would feel close to 100% assurance would be as good as advertised.

I feel like Chartouny and McEwen were a case of taking a step up that ended up too big for them. Morrow I actually think was mostly what he was. He didn't improve a ton, but his sophomore year at Nebraska and junior year at Marquette were very similar. I think he would be remembered more fondly for that year had Theo not taken such a step forward that cut Ed's minutes down. This past year he wasn't good, but once Jayce was healthy, there really just wasn't a role for him. I feel like he pretty much was what he was at Nebraska.

That's why I'm bullish on Carton, DeJulius (as at least a solid rotational piece), and Burton. They played well for comparable programs against largely comparable opposition. I share your concerns with Turner. He looks really good, but for every Damion Lee that is just as good when they make the jump up, there are a dozen Chartounys that just aren't able to elevate to that level.

[muguru]

One thing on Turner...One of his former teammates at Bowling Green-Jeff Uju is currently a student in MU's dental school 

[HutchwasClutch]

I understand your skepticism, and it's warranted, but let's also not forget the good..Rowsey, Carlino etc, and I don't think McEwen's story has been completely written yet. As far as Turner goes, just remember this quote from a scout: Scout’s take: “Big-time three-level scorer. Has a gift for getting places with the ball. He is really good on or off the ball. He’s one of those guys, if he gets it going, you’re in for a long night. Whichever high-major he ends up at, he will likely be their best player.” The Mac also isn't as low of a level as say the Southern conference or something.

Agree certainly about Rowsey and Carlino, we’re certainly due for transfer success cases like they were.

I wish I could share your holding out some hope for McEwen.  I just see a guy not up to this level as Brew stated.

As far as Turner, transfers from A-10 and Mountain West were/ are miserable failures so far.  I would put MAC behind both those conferences. But Turner’s success far exceeded Chartouny/ McEwen, so hopefully means he’s an apples and oranges comparison to those two if he chooses MU. 

[real chili 83]

not so Good Friday in Omaha.

Mintz to Kentucky & Ty-Shon to NBA

McDermott can’t coach

#cancer

[JWags85]

The only surprise to me has been how low Alexander has been in some mock drafts I've seen. I can't shake the feeling that he'll be a better pro than either Powell or Markus -- better size, better all-around talent, far far superior defender. I thought he was the best two-way guard in the Big East. Creighton will miss him terribly.

He’s got the Vander issue. He’s just a bit undersized for the 2 in the current NBA. They actually compare pretty favorably in terms of stats, though Alexander is a better player overall and a better outside shooter. Which is why he’ll likely be a second round pick instead of undrafted like Vander

[willie warrior]

If we get any of these transfers, I’ll generally be happy and optimistic about them. But there is a major caveat after the epic failures of Chartouny, Morrow, and McEwen. We’ve been sold a bill of goods before on Wojo’s transfers, and I’m frankly tired of being let down by their miserable performances. 

Especially Turner coming from the MAC, color me a little skeptical about him. Carton would be the only one I would feel close to 100% assurance would be as good as advertised.

We have and continue to "be sold a bill of goods" overall on Wojo

[Its DJOver]

Might not be the right thread, but putting McEwen in the same group as Chartouny is not quite fair.  His shooting number everywhere but from the line were disappointing, but he still averaged 10 points, 5 boards and 3 assists with an injured hand, and being either the best or second best on ball defender.  Chartouny averaged 3 points, 2 boards, and 2 assists, while losing the backup PG position to a combination of Sacar and Sam, when Markus got hurt.  Their relative levels of success at MU are not even close IMO.

[muguru]

Agree certainly about Rowsey and Carlino, we’re certainly due for transfer success cases like they were.

I wish I could share your holding out some hope for McEwen.  I just see a guy not up to this level as Brew stated.

As far as Turner, transfers from A-10 and Mountain West were/ are miserable failures so far.  I would put MAC behind both those conferences. But Turner’s success far exceeded Chartouny/ McEwen, so hopefully means he’s an apples and oranges comparison to those two if he chooses MU.

Some #'s on Turner from past seasons vs Major competition:

In 2018-2019 vs. St John's he was 9-15 from the floor, 4-7 from 3, 24 points, 4 assists, 4 rebounds in 35 minutes.
Vs Buffalo(when they were highly ranked all year) he was 8-13, 3-5 from 3, 22 points, 4 rebounds, 1 asst
Vs Buffalo x2 6-17, 1-7 17 points, 2 assts, 4 rebounds

This past year vs LSU: 10-19 from the field, 4-7 from 3, 26 points, 3 assists 6 rebounds

Vs. Cincy he was 3-11 and 0-5 10 points, 3 assists and 2 rebounds in 20 minutes as he got injured that game

So even though it
's a small sample size, he has shown the ability to be big time against high level competition

So even though it was a small sample size,

[Tha Hound]

If we get any of these transfers, I’ll generally be happy and optimistic about them. But there is a major caveat after the epic failures of Chartouny, Morrow, and McEwen. We’ve been sold a bill of goods before on Wojo’s transfers, and I’m frankly tired of being let down by their miserable performances. 

Especially Turner coming from the MAC, color me a little skeptical about him. Carton would be the only one I would feel close to 100% assurance would be as good as advertised.

To be fair, none of those guys were considered the cream of the crop of their transfer classes, nor were they really balling out for their precious team in a competitive conference.

Turner is the only one who’s game worries me re: translating results since he played in such a weak conference. But he’s also considers a top 2 transfer just about everywhere you look. That has to count for something. Pretty high boom/bust potential

Carton/Burton/Dejulius are all considered within the top echelon of guarda available, and have all played in a power conference and out up numbers.

I think this is a rare opportunity that could really change the outlook of this team from a mediocre to poor next season to a very solid seaaon. We would need two commitments to do that in my opinion. And I think it’s very possible we do

[Uncle Rico]

We have and continue to "be sold a bill of goods" overall on Wojo

I’m with Willie on this.  We need to get guys that fit Brian Wardle’s system.  We need players that can’t shoot or score.  The guys Wojo is looking at are too offensive-minded

[dgies9156]

Gang, Coach Wojo has to do something.

He’s got a set of three really wonderful recruits in Oso, Garcia and Fields, but so much uncertainty at the guard spot that we don’t know whether someone can step up. If we get any of the Top 3, we’ve got a shot at a pretty good team next year. Without a top transfer, we’ve got a problem.

If we get a transfer and Karim Mane, WOW.

What we offer is playing time — lots of it — and the chance to be surrounded by some very good recruits. Yeah, other schools offer some variant of this, but I suspect none have quite the combination we do, especially if Fields is as good as promised. The biggest weakness we have is Wojo Coaching up and getting our talent to the next level.

I’m down but not out on Koby. He was injured and he was trying to find his place in a Markus-centric offense. I’m a little more optimistic only because the offense going into next year has to be more distributive and multi-faceted. The good news is that our opponents can’t double or triple any one player.

Ultimately, my hope is a transfer is a bridge between now and Dexter Akanno stepping up. And that Dexter and Karim are 2021-2022’s starting guards.

[muguru]

Btw for anyone on 247, muguru has got to be true golden eagles - running at 120% at all times

No...that is NOT me, I assure you..LOL But I do wonder who he is.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Gang, Coach Wojo has to do something.

He’s got a set of three really wonderful recruits in Oso, Garcia and Fields, but so much uncertainty at the guard spot that we don’t know whether someone can step up. If we get any of the Top 3, we’ve got a shot at a pretty good team next year. Without a top transfer, we’ve got a problem.

If we get a transfer and Karim Mane, WOW.

What we offer is playing time — lots of it — and the chance to be surrounded by some very good recruits. Yeah, other schools offer some variant of this, but I suspect none have quite the combination we do, especially if Fields is as good as promised. The biggest weakness we have is Wojo Coaching up and getting our talent to the next level.

I’m down but not out on Koby. He was injured and he was trying to find his place in a Markus-centric offense. I’m a little more optimistic only because the offense going into next year has to be more distributive and multi-faceted. The good news is that our opponents can’t double or triple any one player.

Ultimately, my hope is a transfer is a bridge between now and Dexter Akanno stepping up. And that Dexter and Karim are 2021-2022’s starting guards.

It’s Justin Lewis. Not Fields. He is the Ohio State quarterback.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

https://painttouches.com/2020/04/12/ncaa-free-agent-tracker-april-11th-edition/

Updated the tracker last night. Only 2 "impact" grad transfers left. Maybe another 8-12 who could be starters at the high major level. A bunch who could be important pieces of the bench. MU still involved with 4 of the top 10.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

I feel like Chartouny and McEwen were a case of taking a step up that ended up too big for them. Morrow I actually think was mostly what he was. He didn't improve a ton, but his sophomore year at Nebraska and junior year at Marquette were very similar. I think he would be remembered more fondly for that year had Theo not taken such a step forward that cut Ed's minutes down. This past year he wasn't good, but once Jayce was healthy, there really just wasn't a role for him. I feel like he pretty much was what he was at Nebraska.

That's why I'm bullish on Carton, DeJulius (as at least a solid rotational piece), and Burton. They played well for comparable programs against largely comparable opposition. I share your concerns with Turner. He looks really good, but for every Damion Lee that is just as good when they make the jump up, there are a dozen Chartounys that just aren't able to elevate to that level.

I dont think Theo took any minutes away from Ed.  Theo is no world beater.  Ed was at times atrocious, the minutes were there to be had.