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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: GoldenWarrior on June 10, 2010, 10:15:48 AM
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Thoughts on if this will happen or not?
Also, I was wondering if we make the assumption that he leaves, where would that leave the MSU program?
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maybe its just me, but I'd put a "?" at the end of the subject line.
I clicked the thread thinking it was a done deal.
edit: thanks :)
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I think he's gonna do it.
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Here's the local paper's thoughts on who might replace Izzo (go ahead, click on the link.... and let the outrage begin!)
http://tiny.cc/w2bf2
The idea that he might actually leave has been gaining momentum here (southeastern MI) over the last couple of days. Today, it was reported that he is not the only candidate for the job -- and I am thinking that will cool his interest. To move from MSU, Izzo would need to be ordained rather than offered.
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Jamie Dixon doesn't want to coach in the B10, and has said as much... so cross him off that list.
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I don't think he will leave--unless the Cavs offer him at least twice what he is making now--and then he might still stay. MSU will make a counteroffer to keep him.
Also, if he does leave, I am not buying that Crean will be the next coach.
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I don't think he will leave--unless the Cavs offer him at least twice what he is making now--and then he might still stay. MSU will make a counteroffer to keep him.
Also, if he does leave, I am not buying that Crean will be the next coach.
Dan Gilbert (Cavs owner) will certainly pay the man. I've heard Izzo makes about $3M per year now... Gilbert would certainly be willing to pay his head coach $6M+ per year if he believed in him (these r numbers off the top of my head that I recall hearing somewhere... no clue if they're actually accurate). I can see Izzo still turning down that much, but boy it would be tough for a lot of people to turn away from that.
I agree on Crean not being a replacement candidate.
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I don't think he will leave--unless the Cavs offer him at least twice what he is making now--and then he might still stay. MSU will make a counteroffer to keep him.
Reports here (in Cleveland) are that the Cavs have offered him twice what he was making -- 5 years and $30 million. That'll get your attention.
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So is LeBron for sure gone, or is he a factor in all of this? If Izzo is a negotiating tool with LeBron, and vice versa, and the money rumors are true, I;d say this is a done deal. Even if LeBron is out of the picture, that's a lot of coin.
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So is LeBron for sure gone, or is he a factor in all of this? If Izzo is a negotiating tool with LeBron, and vice versa, and the money rumors are true, I;d say this is a done deal. Even if LeBron is out of the picture, that's a lot of coin.
I don't think you can make the connection between LBJ's plans and Izzo here. If anything, it would be that LBJ is staying if in fact Izzo signs. I don't think you can say that if Izzo doesn't sign LBJ won't. Just my opinion though.
That is a lot of money to turn down though.
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Crean wouldn't go to MSU would he? Would they even consider him?
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Crean wouldn't go to MSU would he? Would they even consider him?
As long as they don't mind the Breslin Center getting burned down if they lose to Indiana at all ever.
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Crean wouldn't go to MSU would he? Would they even consider him?
I don't think MSU would hire him just because of his Izzo connection and past assistance. He needs to put up or shut up at Indiana before he's considerred for a spot like that.
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6 million a year is alot of cash and I believe he is gone.
The Michigan State AD already has stated he can hire a candidate immediately, which seems to imply/suggest he has inside knowledge that Izzo is gone and he has already contacted the replacement. Otherwise he would be in the deniable mode. I would guess Brad Stevens or Mark Few as the viable candidates at this point. With all the conference re-alignments and now the Izzo rumors, at least there is something to discuss in the college basketball arena.
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this would be terrible for college basketball
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6 million a year is alot of cash and I believe he is gone.
The Michigan State AD already has stated he can hire a candidate immediately, which seems to imply/suggest he has inside knowledge that Izzo is gone and he has already contacted the replacement. Otherwise he would be in the deniable mode. I would guess Brad Stevens or Mark Few as the viable candidates at this point. With all the conference re-alignments and now the Izzo rumors, at least there is something to discuss in the college basketball arena.
I don't think the AD's comments imply he knows whats going to happen. I think it simply means that they would be comfortable hiring one of Izzo's current assistants if it came to that and felt like they needed to quickly get someone in place.
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Lou Holtz, Steve Spurrier, Lane Kiffin, Rick Pitino, John Calipari, PJ Carlesimo, Mike Montgomery. Stay where you are, Tom. You are too intense to coach in the NBA. Twice as many games. You will burn out. You are not going to be able to get millionaires to put on shoulder pads for rebounding drills. You are not going to be able to micromanage every offensive set. You have a dynasty program that you have created. $3 mil per year is plenty. Stay where you are and continue on to legendary status.
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Lou Holtz, Steve Spurrier, Lane Kiffin, Rick Pitino, John Calipari, PJ Carlesimo, Mike Montgomery. Stay where you are, Tom. You are too intense to coach in the NBA. Twice as many games. You will burn out. You are not going to be able to get millionaires to put on shoulder pads for rebounding drills. You are not going to be able to micromanage every offensive set. You have a dynasty program that you have created. $3 mil per year is plenty. Stay where you are and continue on to legendary status.
But you don't know what's driving him. His motivations. His goals.
He also knows that he can always get back into the college game with a real good gig if it doesn't work out.
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Lou Holtz, Steve Spurrier, Lane Kiffin, Rick Pitino, John Calipari, PJ Carlesimo, Mike Montgomery.
I'm sorry, you are using those guys as reasons to STAY at MSU.
Lou Holtz - Old
Steve Spurrier - USC
Lane Kiffen - USC
Pitino - UofL
Calipari - UK
Carlesimo - NBA
Montgomery - Cal
As it stands today, those guys all have good jobs, and many are in jobs that are better than the ones they left, and have millions in the bank on top of it. I see little or no downside to him taking the job. No matter how flat he may fall on his face in the NBA, there will be a well paying, high-profile college job waiting for him whenever he wants to return.
BTW, who are you (or anyone else) to tell him how much money is enough?
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$3 mil isn't enough? I admire what Billy Donovan did a few years ago. Maybe not the waffling, but the final decision. IMO, stay where you have found happiness and success and build on that. It needn't always be about the next job. Sometimes, it should be about making the current position into the best it can be.
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$3 mil isn't enough? I admire what Billy Donovan did a few years ago. Maybe not the waffling, but the final decision. IMO, stay where you have found happiness and success and build on that. It needn't always be about the next job. Sometimes, it should be about making the current position into the best it can be.
But again, you dont know if Izzo is content at MSU or if he's feels its time to try something new. Dont place your motivations and desires onto him.
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I don't know his motivations. I assume if it was just about the money, he would have jumped the multiple other times the NBA has come calling. There is something to be said for building and building on a legacy. Also, I don't think his coaching style translates to the NBA. It is worse suited than either Pitino's or Cal's. So, IMO, it would be a mistake to go.
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I don't know his motivations. I assume if it was just about the money, he would have jumped the multiple other times the NBA has come calling. There is something to be said for building and building on a legacy. Also, I don't think his coaching style translates to the NBA. It is worse suited than either Pitino's or Cal's. So, IMO, it would be a mistake to go.
I think it is probably a mix of money and the right situation for him. The other jobs he's been offered were basically garbage by the time it was offered to him. In this offer he gets the money, but also potentially a great team as well (provided LBJ resigns).
A big reason so many college coaches have failed in the NBA is because they were given opportunities in the NBA with some of the worst talent in the league as a whole.
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http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/06/indiana-coach-tom-crean-talks-about-izzo-his-great-job-at-indiana/1
This will make your skin crawl for some of you...the video that is.
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http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/06/indiana-coach-tom-crean-talks-about-izzo-his-great-job-at-indiana/1
This will make your skin crawl for some of you...the video that is.
Check out his library of "leadership" books!
was that 4never in the reflection mopping I4's floor?
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Let me sum up that for you..."MSU is not going to be interested in me, so I am making this video to take myself out of the running to save face when they don't call."
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Let me sum up that for you..."MSU is not going to be interested in me, so I am making this video to take myself out of the running to save face when they don't call."
+1
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He is looking especially orange lately. I know his wind breaker (is it windy in his office?) is red, but it was difficult to tel where his neck ended and his jacket began.
Oh, and Indiana is a hard job, in case you didn't know... so give him some more time!
I gave up on the coach speak half way through.
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He is looking especially orange lately. I know his wind breaker (is it windy in his office?) is red, but it was difficult to tel where his neck ended and his jacket began.
Oh, and Indiana is a hard job, in case you didn't know... so give him some more time!
I gave up on the coach speak half way through.
You didn't miss much. He's excited about lots of stuff. His staff is excited. IU players are excited. The upcoming camp is exciting for players and coaches. Oh, and did I mention that these are exciting times at Indiana? I can see why everyone in Bloomington is so excited.
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You didn't miss much. He's excited about lots of stuff. His staff is excited. IU players are excited. The upcoming camp is exciting for players and coaches. Oh, and did I mention that these are exciting times at Indiana? I can see why everyone in Bloomington is so excited.
LOL - I thought the initial 4-5 minutes were good/decent, but it did strike me thereafter that all the "excited" talk seemed to be excessively redundant...as if it was a sales pitch to IU fans, etc. Contrast this with Buzz's talk to the L.A. Circles event - pretty stark contrast.
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How anyone can watch this bs and not come away absolutely convinced Crean isn't 100% full of crap is beyond comprehension. BTW, the janitorial staff did a nice job repairing the wall behind him and the damages done by the plant thrown at his head. Kudos to ZFB, his putty knife, and paintbrush.
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You didn't miss much. He's excited about lots of stuff. His staff is excited. IU players are excited. The upcoming camp is exciting for players and coaches. Oh, and did I mention that these are exciting times at Indiana? I can see why everyone in Bloomington is so excited.
Must be wild and crazy with Joanie in the bedroom, on the kitchen table, in the shower, backseat of Hummer, staircase, etc. if he's getting this aroused just talkin' basketball.
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Not happening...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5290541