Masks at Fiserv Forum

[panda]

From data through this December, 1.37% of fully vaccinated people (2 or 3 shots per their definition) had a breakthrough case.  Yet, you know 12 of them? Are you the superspreader?

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/breakthrough-covid-19-infections-deaths-rose-delta-outpaced/story?id=81822930

How dare he share a personal anecdote. Off the top of my head, I can think of eight people in my life in the past week with a breakthrough case.

[Viper]

He doesn't have to, there are dozens of studies that prove it.

Being a medical professional certainly doesn't exempt your wife from being a bonehead along with the dental dudes around here.

name calling behind a keyboard? Ok.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

How dare he share a personal anecdote. Off the top of my head, I can think of eight people in my life in the past week with a breakthrough case.

Too many people here treat anecdotes like some sort of trump card.

[panda]

Too many people here treat anecdotes like some sort of trump card.

I’ll just post some article I find that blindly supports my previous opinion next time then and refuse to acknowledge any point that refutes it because “how could it possibly be wrong”

[Viper]

Yep.

Lots of people ask for studies that show wearing a mask makes a difference. You provide one and ask for any peer-reviewed studies that contradict it and...crickets....

Shocking.

arrogance from Fluffy’s basement…shocking. Articles released from the University of Arizona School of Medicine, Cleveland Clinic, McGill Univ. (Canada), Mayo-Rochester all point to mask wearing as marginal in success of preventing covid transmission. You want to wear a mask? Follow Dr Science, er, Fauci and wear a mask. No one is stopping you. I said I’m anti-mandate. I don’t/won’t wear a mask except when flying, as…mandated.

[Pakuni]

arrogance from Fluffy’s basement…shocking. Articles released from the University of Arizona School of Medicine, Cleveland Clinic, McGill Univ. (Canada), Mayo-Rochester all point to mask wearing as marginal in success of preventing covid transmission. You want to wear a mask? Follow Dr Science, er, Fauci and wear a mask. No one is stopping you. I said I’m anti-mandate. I don’t/won’t wear a mask except when flying, as…mandated.

Does this mean we won't be seeing Dr. Viper's extensive research on the efficacy of masking?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Look, the fact is we really don't know for certainty about this stuff right now and how it relates to omicron.  Being cautious for a short period of time isn't the worst thing to do.  Looks like this wave ramps up quick, then goes away quick.  So hopefully this won't be long.

[jficke13]

I think there's a pretty obvious distinction between:

Do masks work?

and

Do mask mandates work as a public health initiative?

Masks, especially N95s and even KN95s work to mitigate transmission and to mitigate risk of infection. This isn't revelatory stuff and has been pretty settled from the jump. People who dispute this do so mostly in bad faith because they are dishonest (or have been hoodwinked).

BUT.

Mask mandates? They kinda sorta don't work. Mostly because we've demonstrated as a society that we have no interest whatsoever in doing what's necessary to make them work. People wear low quality masks (maybe because they don't have access to better ones, perhaps they should!), and they wear them incorrectly (nose out or pulled down under the chin to talk, or because someone is committed to eating popcorn slowly so as to never have to actually wear one, etc.). So many people do this that the efficacy of the masking *policy* probably does not work because is undermined to the point that people can point to it and go "it's security theater! Just like the TSA exists to create the illusion of security, mask mandates exist to create the illusion of taking action."

Both of these things can be true at the same time.

[geagles10]

I am a physician and been taking care of COVID patients for 2 years at local hospitals.

BOTTOM LINE:
Vaccines / boosters do nothing at this point to stop infection or spread. 
Masks are meaningless in my opinion

Vaccines / boosters do SO MUCH to prevent serious disease / hospitalization / death in HIGH-RISK people (OBESE # 1 risk in my experience, but others as well).  This is the KEY.   Rest of the people just need to get it and recover.

In my opinion, if leaders would just say this and admit their misinformation - so many more would get the vaccine voluntarily.  Instead of just saying you will never get it or spread it, if you get all the vaccines. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

In my opinion, if leaders would just say this and admit their misinformation - so many more would get the vaccine voluntarily.  Instead of just saying you will never get it or spread it, if you get all the vaccines. 

Who has said "you will never get it or spread it" if vaccinated?  I don't recall anyone saying vaccinations are 100% effective.

[geagles10]

Who has said "you will never get it or spread it" if vaccinated?  I don't recall anyone saying vaccinations are 100% effective.

One of many examples you can find.  Both from medial and government.  Even Aurora CEO said this when mandating the vaccine, where now so many Aurora staff who were mandated to be fully vaccinated, are now out of work and dealing with serious staffing shortages.

https://twitter.com/aginnt/status/1475193955704881152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1475406298812497926%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fmedia%2Fsocial-media-users-demand-apology-msnbc-rachel-maddow-vaccines

[geagles10]

If media / government just say the vaccine is a great tool to prevent serious disease and death, and thats really it, everything would be so much better, because that is what it is.

 A great tool for that, in addition to promoting treatments that we can actually give people, instead of just saying "go home and come back if you can't breath", which is what I have been doing for way to long.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

One of many examples you can find.  Both from medial and government.  Even Aurora CEO said this when mandating the vaccine, where now so many Aurora staff who were mandated to be fully vaccinated, are now out of work and dealing with serious staffing shortages.

https://twitter.com/aginnt/status/1475193955704881152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1475406298812497926%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fmedia%2Fsocial-media-users-demand-apology-msnbc-rachel-maddow-vaccines

Oh.  What you said "leaders" I thought you meant people with actual authority - like people who knew something about public heath, medicine and the like.  Not talking heads who have different motivations.

[geagles10]

Oh.  What you said "leaders" I thought you meant people with actual authority - like people who knew something about public heath, medicine and the like.  Not talking heads who have different motivations.

Also, Joe Biden and his press secretary both saying it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1471600971755274245?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1471600971755274245%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fdougp-3137%2F2021%2F12%2F20%2Fjen-psaki-says-biden-will-soon-clarify-something-about-covid-19-caution-one-eighty-in-progress%2F

[BobWildLoyalist]

arrogance from Fluffy’s basement…shocking. Articles released from the University of Arizona School of Medicine, Cleveland Clinic, McGill Univ. (Canada), Mayo-Rochester all point to mask wearing as marginal in success of preventing covid transmission. You want to wear a mask? Follow Dr Science, er, Fauci and wear a mask. No one is stopping you. I said I’m anti-mandate. I don’t/won’t wear a mask except when flying, as…mandated.

Total a$$hole mentality right here. Putting others at risk because you’re too tough to wear a mask and put aside your bone head opinions. I hate wearing pants but I have to. Damn shame but this is a society. Also viper…….LOL

[geagles10]

Total a$$hole mentality right here. Putting others at risk because you’re too tough to wear a mask and put aside your bone head opinions. I hate wearing pants but I have to. Damn shame but this is a society. Also viper…….LOL

There is no "putting others at risk".  This is just not true.  Its impossible to avoid the virus in my opinion, after treating covid patients in the ER for 2 years.  Either you get the vaccine and very likely will prevent serious disease in yourself when you do get it, or you are infected and have mild symptoms.  Its no more simple than that.   

[BobWildLoyalist]

There is no "putting others at risk".  This is just not true.  Its impossible to avoid the virus in my opinion, after treating covid patients in the ER for 2 years.  Either you get the vaccine and very likely will prevent serious disease in yourself when you do get it, or you are infected and have mild symptoms.  Its no more simple than that.

I’ll just leave this here that contradicts your boy vipers, LOL, comment.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

[geagles10]

I’ll just leave this here that contradicts your boy vipers, LOL, comment.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

What is the point you are trying to make with the article?

[Pakuni]

Who knew Scoop was inhabited by so many doctors, especially those whose "expert" opinions contradict the great majority of their peers and the medical research.

[Babybluejeans]

Haha. geeagle ”is a doctor.” No one really talks like that medicine, and the point is plainly untrue to boot. This thread is perfect.

[geagles10]

Haha. geeagle ”is a doctor.” No one really talks like that medicine, and the point is plainly untrue to boot. This thread is perfect.

I am a board certified emergency physician for 8 years.  I do see the realities of this virus first hand.  Which point is plainly untrue?    Its so clear that I am admitting very sick unvaccinated high-risk people to the hospital recently, and unvaccinated healthy people and vaccinated high risk people are not admitted and recover at home.

[Pakuni]

I am a board certified emergency physician for 8 years.  I do see the realities of this virus first hand.  Which point is plainly untrue?    Its so clear that I am admitting very sick unvaccinated high-risk people to the hospital recently, and unvaccinated healthy people and vaccinated high risk people are not admitted and recover at home.

I'll play along ...

How does treating people in an ER setting make you an expert on the efficacy of masking? So much so, in fact, that your more credible than the volumes of peer-reviewed, published studies that contradict your opinion?

[RushmoreAcademy]

I like Kur’s contributions this season.

[4everwarriors]

I am a physician and been taking care of COVID patients for 2 years at local hospitals.

BOTTOM LINE:
Vaccines / boosters do nothing at this point to stop infection or spread. 
Masks are meaningless in my opinion

Vaccines / boosters do SO MUCH to prevent serious disease / hospitalization / death in HIGH-RISK people (OBESE # 1 risk in my experience, but others as well).  This is the KEY.   Rest of the people just need to get it and recover.

In my opinion, if leaders would just say this and admit their misinformation - so many more would get the vaccine voluntarily.  Instead of just saying you will never get it or spread it, if you get all the vaccines.

The voice of reason. However, too much money is involved, to have true transparency during this clusterfook, hey?

[4everwarriors]

There is no "putting others at risk".  This is just not true.  Its impossible to avoid the virus in my opinion, after treating covid patients in the ER for 2 years.  Either you get the vaccine and very likely will prevent serious disease in yourself when you do get it, or you are infected and have mild symptoms.  Its no more simple than that.

Btw, are you able to collaborate my information that there are nurses and staff, who have tested positive for covid, are known to their superiors, and are working in hospitals due to staff shortages?