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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 23, 2017, 12:38:45 PM
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Wow.
But it was needed. Will be interesting to see who they get.
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Wow.
But it was needed. Will be interesting to see who they get.
Whoa. Really curious to see how that search plays out. It will be a proxy as to where people think Gtown bball is today. I honestly don't know.
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Crean to GTown
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I am going to guess that Patrick Ewing is the next Georgetown coach.
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Crean to GTown
And where does JTIII land?
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I am going to guess that Patrick Ewing is the next Georgetown coach.
Allen Iverson next great GTown Coach
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Whoa. Really curious to see how that search plays out. It will be a proxy as to where people think Gtown bball is today. I honestly don't know.
Can match Villanova. Nova had D.C. kids on that team.
Can't and shouldn't chase the ghost of Big John
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This would explain their top recruit de-committing last week. Either that or the de-commitment played a role in the firing.
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Crean to GTown
If there's a god...and i know there's not because, honestly, turn on the news...this will happen.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18984268/georgetown-hoyas-parting-ways-john-thompson-iii
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This would explain their top recruit de-committing last week. Either that or the de-commitment played a role in the firing.
Or he saw how awful they looked the last couple months and decided he wanted to play somewhere else while he didn't have to sit out a year. JTIII lost that team.
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Allen Iverson next great GTown Coach
Yeah but Ewing has been an assistant in the NBA for 15 years. He would make a nice bridge between the Thompsons and whatever future Georgetown has in store. His son was on the staff there as well.
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Word on the street is the Thompson center is being renamed the Harbaugh center, so...
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Allen Iverson next great GTown Coach
Buzz Williams' teams don't practice free throws.
Allen Iverson's teams just don't practice.
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Yeah but Ewing has been an assistant in the NBA for 15 years. He would make a nice bridge between the Thompsons and whatever future Georgetown has in store. His son was on the staff there as well.
Yeah, also i feel like high school players would want to play for him just because he was so good in the NBA
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Yeah, also i feel like high school players would want to play for him just because he was so good in the NBA
Next year's high school senior class was born the same year Ewing retired.
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Maybe Dan Hurley gets a look.
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Patrick Ewing would be a huge hire. He is 7 feet tall after all.
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I'd put my money on Amaker.
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Not sure why but I feel like McDermott might be a good fit there - save for being pretty midwestern in background
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I'd put my money on Amaker.
Casual Hoya tweeted out that's the name they've been hearing.
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I'd put my money on Amaker.
I can see that, a great time to go.
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This move will most likely make the league better. JTIII wasn't getting the job done at a historically great basketball program.
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Not sure why but I feel like McDermott might be a good fit there - save for being pretty midwestern in background
Doubt it. Need an east coast/DC guy for recruiting. Losing the DC kids to others was JT III's downfall.
Tommy Amaker was an All American high schooler from Fairfax, Va. and still has the DC AAU contacts. This would be a very smart move by Georgetown.
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I like that Wikipedia had been edited to list him as the coach of Georgetown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tommy_Amaker&oldid=771812647
(been edited to revert the change, but the version linked should show it)
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I had suggested in the superbar thread awhile back that Amaker would be a good target and that Georgetown University has enough prestige to potentially lure his wife away from Harvard.
The other names I'd target would be Danny Hurley and Patrick Ewing (the latter for obvious reasons). Hurley has strong East Coast ties and would likely excel at Georgetown.
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Methinks it will be a GTown Alum.
They haven't had to think about a coaching hire since 1972... so it will be difficult to go outside the "family".
That would leave only one hopeless team in the BEAST... Unfortunately they're happy being hopeless.
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Bout flippin' time.
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I am going to guess that Patrick Ewing is the next Georgetown coach.
Agreed.
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I don't think Tony Bennett is leaving for any other college job, and certainly not this one, but I'd kill to see Tony Bennett there.
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You guys think Crean would be better suited for DePaul or Georgetown?
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You guys think Crean would be better suited for DePaul or Georgetown?
Depaul. Midwest connections and it'd give us an excuse to start hating on Depaul again
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What about Archie Miller? Did he take another job or is he still at ABDayton?
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I don't think Tony Bennett is leaving for any other college job, and certainly not this one, but I'd kill to see Tony Bennett there.
But then you'd have to watch his teams play. Hard pass.
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What about Archie Miller? Did he take another job or is he still at ABDayton?
My guess is he was gonna leave, he would have left of NC State, his alma mater.
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Good news for the Big East in general as . However, this will make the league even tougher and put even more premium on winning 11-12 games non conference.
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Casual Hoya tweeted out that's the name they've been hearing.
So, #donedeal or respect the process?
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Depaul. Midwest connections and it'd give us an excuse to start hating on Depaul again
Right, because we don't pick on DePaul much here.
But I agree. A new coach at GU will be enough to put butts in seats. At DePaul though... I don't know if even a new arena will get that done. Crean is (was?) good at that sort of thing.
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Right, because we don't pick on DePaul much here.
But I agree. A new coach at GU will be enough to put butts in seats. At DePaul though... I don't know if even a new arena will get that done. Crean is (was?) good at that sort of thing.
picking on them is us making fun of the state of the program. Hating them is them being a worthy rival again.
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My guess is he was gonna leave, he would have left of NC State, his alma mater.
I think this is a bad assumption. I think he has a list like his older bro did and he goes when one of them come calling.
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I still don't understand why all of you want these BE programs to not lose coaches, and be great all the time. Yeah yeah, prestige. So what? All a better Gtown, Better DePaul etc do is make it harder for MU to win conference championships etc. When this new BE was formed..I was hoping/wanting it to be a conference MU ran roughshod over every year..ala Memphis in CUSA not long ago.
I think all of us here would take being the Gonzaga of the BE. I sure as hell would.
Whatever makes it easier for MU to make the dance every year..I'm all for. If that means a lessor BE overall, so be it.
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I still don't understand why all of you want these BE programs to not lose coaches, and be great all the time. Yeah yeah, prestige. So what? All a better Gtown, Better DePaul etc do is make it harder for MU to win conference championships etc. When this new BE was formed..I was hoping/wanting it to be a conference MU ran roughshod over every year..ala Memphis in CUSA not long ago.
Whatever makes it easier for MU to make the dance every year..I'm all for. If that means a lessor BE overall, so be it.
Strange logic there.
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I still don't understand why all of you want these BE programs to not lose coaches, and be great all the time. Yeah yeah, prestige. So what? All a better Gtown, Better DePaul etc do is make it harder for MU to win conference championships etc. When this new BE was formed..I was hoping/wanting it to be a conference MU ran roughshod over every year..ala Memphis in CUSA not long ago.
Whatever makes it easier for MU to make the dance every year..I'm all for. If that means a lessor BE overall, so be it.
Playing in a quality conference full of good teams does make it easier for MU to get into the tourney.
I'd much rather be in a conference 10-8 gets you into the Big Dance, than one in which you have to finish in the top 1 or 2 or win the conference tourney (see: AAC, A-10).
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I still don't understand why all of you want these BE programs to not lose coaches, and be great all the time. Yeah yeah, prestige. So what? All a better Gtown, Better DePaul etc do is make it harder for MU to win conference championships etc. When this new BE was formed..I was hoping/wanting it to be a conference MU ran roughshod over every year..ala Memphis in CUSA not long ago.
I think all of us here would take being the Gonzaga of the BE. I sure as hell would.
Whatever makes it easier for MU to make the dance every year..I'm all for. If that means a lessor BE overall, so be it.
Because as soon as Cal left, Memphis became an afterthought. The Big East ads cache. And it only ads cache when it is strong.
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I still don't understand why all of you want these BE programs to not lose coaches, and be great all the time. Yeah yeah, prestige. So what? All a better Gtown, Better DePaul etc do is make it harder for MU to win conference championships etc. When this new BE was formed..I was hoping/wanting it to be a conference MU ran roughshod over every year..ala Memphis in CUSA not long ago.
I think all of us here would take being the Gonzaga of the BE. I sure as hell would.
Whatever makes it easier for MU to make the dance every year..I'm all for. If that means a lessor BE overall, so be it.
Best case scenario would be for MU to go undefeated in conference play, with all other Big East Teams being undefeated in non-con and going 1-1 against all of their other conference opponents, which would be all-out wars with every game being won by a 1-point margin in OT. ;D
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Because as soon as Cal left, Memphis became an afterthought. The Big East ads cache. And it only ads cache when it is strong.
You need to clear that cache every once in awhile. ;)
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I still don't understand why all of you want these BE programs to not lose coaches, and be great all the time. Yeah yeah, prestige. So what? All a better Gtown, Better DePaul etc do is make it harder for MU to win conference championships etc. When this new BE was formed..I was hoping/wanting it to be a conference MU ran roughshod over every year..ala Memphis in CUSA not long ago.
I think all of us here would take being the Gonzaga of the BE. I sure as hell would.
Whatever makes it easier for MU to make the dance every year..I'm all for. If that means a lessor BE overall, so be it.
You must not be a season ticket holder. Or even watch many MU games for that matter. Who wants to watch 20 point wins every night?
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You must not be a season ticket holder. Or even watch many MU games for that matter. Who wants to watch 20 point wins every night?
Been a season ticket holder for 16 years, and watch EVERY road game on TV. I would LOVE to see 20 point wins every night..I don't care how MU wins, as long as they do. Besides, games like that are much easier on my overall health.
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You must not be a season ticket holder. Or even watch many MU games for that matter. Who wants to watch 20 point wins every night?
What?? I think everyone on this board would want us to win by 20 points every night in the Big East.
Edit - For sure do not agree with guru saying he prefers a lesser BE.
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It would be great to win every game by 20 if the conference is strong. In a weaker conference, that gets old really fast.
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What about Archie Miller? Did he take another job or is he still at ABDayton?
I doubt he has interest in Georgetown
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JT3 would be good for DePaul.... they'd never pay him tho
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I call BS that none of you would want to be like Gonzaga is currently..Winning conference championships every year, 19 consecutive NCAA appearances, a couple of #1 seeds along the way. You'd be crazy to not want that.
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I call BS that none of you would want to be like Gonzaga is currently..Winning conference championships every year, 19 consecutive NCAA appearances, a couple of #1 seeds along the way. You'd be crazy to not want that.
Gonzaga isn't Gonzaga because the rest of their conference (except for St. Mary's) sucks.
If anything, the weakness of their conference has hurt them over the years in seeding.
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I call BS that none of you would want to be like Gonzaga is currently..Winning conference championships every year, 19 consecutive NCAA appearances, a couple of #1 seeds along the way. You'd be crazy to not want that.
Add me to that list. A program that plays 1 perhaps 2 good conference teams every year is not who we should aspire to be. Not to mention with the strength of conference going down so does our media contract and publicity. Less money coming in is correlated to less publicity both of these directly effects our recruiting and marketing ability, thus effecting overall play.
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Add me to that list. A program that plays 1 perhaps 2 good conference teams every year is not who we should aspire to be. Not to mention with the strength of conference going down so does our media contract and publicity. Less money coming in is correlated to less publicity both of these directly effects our recruiting and marketing ability, thus effecting overall play.
Again, has it hurt Gonzaga?? They pull in top recruits, they sellout games etc.
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I still don't understand why all of you want these BE programs to not lose coaches, and be great all the time. Yeah yeah, prestige. So what? All a better Gtown, Better DePaul etc do is make it harder for MU to win conference championships etc. When this new BE was formed..I was hoping/wanting it to be a conference MU ran roughshod over every year..ala Memphis in CUSA not long ago.
I think all of us here would take being the Gonzaga of the BE. I sure as hell would.
Whatever makes it easier for MU to make the dance every year..I'm all for. If that means a lessor BE overall, so be it.
This is weird but here's one: because it's more fun.
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Again, has it hurt Gonzaga?? They pull in top recruits, they sellout games etc.
They sell out a something like 6,000 seat stadium... not a great reference.
As far as top recruits go:
2 top 100s last year
1 in 2014
1 in 2011
1 in 2008
2 in 2007
That's actually pretty low for having made 19 ncaa tournaments in a row with a decent few second weekend appearances in there. Additionally, Mark Few is the reason why the Zags are staying afloat.
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I still don't understand why all of you want these BE programs to not lose coaches, and be great all the time. Yeah yeah, prestige. So what? All a better Gtown, Better DePaul etc do is make it harder for MU to win conference championships etc. When this new BE was formed..I was hoping/wanting it to be a conference MU ran roughshod over every year..ala Memphis in CUSA not long ago.
I think all of us here would take being the Gonzaga of the BE. I sure as hell would.
Whatever makes it easier for MU to make the dance every year..I'm all for. If that means a lessor BE overall, so be it.
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Again, has it hurt Gonzaga?? They pull in top recruits, they sellout games etc.
So are you now advocating for rejoining in the Horizon League so we can dominate a conference every year? I will point out that you have complained in the past about the quality of opponents in the Big East compared to the old Big East.
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Word on the street is the Thompson center is being renamed the Harbaugh center, so...
A $100k donation has already been pledged.
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So are you now advocating for rejoining in the Horizon League so we can dominate a conference every year? I will point out that you have complained in the past about the quality of opponents in the Big East compared to the old Big East.
Absolutely not...no one is understanding what I'm saying..and maybe I didn't explain it clearly enough..I by no means want MU to be part of a one bid league(and the BE will NEVER be that), what i do want is for them to be the Gonzaga of the BE...run roughshod over it year after year after year, I want them to be dominant enough for that to occur. And If that means there are a few cellar dwellars every year, so be it..therer's always going to be anyway. The more REALLY good teams the conference has..the harder it would be for MU to run roughshod regularly...that's all I'm saying.
It's a lot like being a Packer fan, and wanting the rest of the NFC North to be good, or having success in the post season because "it makes the conference look better". Nonsense, I care about one team and one team only in the conference...the rest are enemies(unless they are playing UW).
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Absolutely not...no one is understanding what I'm saying..and maybe I didn't explain it clearly enough..I by no means want MU to be part of a one bid league(and the BE will NEVER be that), what i do want is for them to be the Gonzaga of the BE...run roughshod over it year after year after year, I want them to be dominant enough for that to occur. And If that means there are a few cellar dwellars every year, so be it..therer's always going to be anyway. The more REALLY good teams the conference has..the harder it would be for MU to run roughshod regularly...that's all I'm saying.
OK yeah everyone would want Marquette to dominate the Big East. I guess what confuses people is that you started this argument by saying that we should want Georgetown to not get better. The Big East would become a one bid league if all other schools but Marquette got worse.
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OK yeah everyone would want Marquette to dominate the Big East. I guess what confuses people is that you started this argument by saying that we should want Georgetown to not get better. The Big East would become a one bid league if all other schools but Marquette got worse.
My point is...if Georgetown gets better, they are a prestigious enough program they could become the dominant program again in the BE, thus blocking MU's path from becoming that. JT3 was just fine, and the GT program was just fine right where they were IMO. Same with SJU.
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A better comparison might be Kansas in the Big 12. Good competition but they have still won the conference like 13 years in a row.
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A better comparison might be Kansas in the Big 12. Good competition but they have still won the conference like 13 years in a row.
Absolutely perfect comparison! Had forgotten all about them...Dominate the conference every single year like they do..high seeds in the NCAA's and roll. The BXII is a good conference, with some good but not great teams typically.
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It's a lot like being a Packer fan, and wanting the rest of the NFC North to be good, or having success in the post season because "it makes the conference look better". Nonsense, I care about one team and one team only in the conference...the rest are enemies(unless they are playing UW).
For starters, as others have stated, your logic about wanting to be in a non-competitive league in college basketball is absolute nonsense. You're essentially asking for a Horizon, Mo Valley, Ohio Valley, WCC scenario: and as an Omaha native and Creighton fan for the better half of my life, that scenario kinda unnatural carnal knowledgeing sucks. Kansas is the team you're trying to equate us to, but then OF COURSE all of us want Marquette to be on the level of one of the blue bloods like Kansas. It's just not realistic that a conference we all consider top 3/easily top 5 is one where Marquette "wins every game by 20 points and has no competition."
In reference to your quote here, it's literally nothing like being a Packer fan and wanting the rest of the NFC North to suck. Like at all. Marquette's future success is, believe it or not, partly contingent on the success of the other league members. The more success and wins the conference has come March the more money in the pockets of all members due to conference distributions: including Marquette. The stronger the league the more attractive and lucrative the TV deals. The more revenues the more likely we are to maintain our heralded basketball budget (whether it be second behind Duke or not). The bigger the budget the easier we can afford Wojo and staff to fly jets across the country to see recruits, top-flight facilities like the Al McGuire to appeal to recruits and current players, and so on and so forth.
Having a competitive Big East is crucial for Marquette going forward, and as a fan of sports, it's just more fun to see us in one of the toughest leagues in the country.
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Gonzaga isn't Gonzaga because the rest of their conference (except for St. Mary's) sucks.
If anything, the weakness of their conference has hurt them over the years in seeding.
I don't think Gonzaga ever really gets underseeded. But where it does hurt them is that they aren't challenged at all for the last 2 months leading into the NCAA Tournament.
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A life unchallenged is a life unlived.
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Absolutely perfect comparison! Had forgotten all about them...Dominate the conference every single year like they do..high seeds in the NCAA's and roll. The BXII is a good conference, with some good but not great teams typically.
On the one hand, I'll give you credit for thinking that you'd like Marquette to emulate a program that virtually everyone would agree is top three all-time.
On the other hand, you're absolutely delusional if you think any program every achieved greatness by hoping that other programs in their conference (or elsewhere) stayed weak. I guarantee you that at no time in Kansas' 13-year Big 12 Championship streak did Bill Self say, "well you know, boys, I hope Texas Tech doesn't hire a good coach...I really don't want competition up here at the top of the conference." I suspect he's far more focused on what his team/program has to do to be great. In fact, I know he is because if he wasn't, the streak would have ended already.
If anyone at Marquette is focusing on what happens at Georgetown because they think that will determine whether Marquette achieves long-term dominance in the Big East, that person should be fired.
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For starters, as others have stated, your logic about wanting to be in a non-competitive league in college basketball is absolute nonsense. You're essentially asking for a Horizon, Mo Valley, Ohio Valley, WCC scenario: and as an Omaha native and Creighton fan for the better half of my life, that scenario kinda unnatural carnal knowledgeing sucks. Kansas is the team you're trying to equate us to, but then OF COURSE all of us want Marquette to be on the level of one of the blue bloods like Kansas. It's just not realistic that a conference we all consider top 3/easily top 5 is one where Marquette "wins every game by 20 points and has no competition."
In reference to your quote here, it's literally nothing like being a Packer fan and wanting the rest of the NFC North to suck. Like at all. Marquette's future success is, believe it or not, partly contingent on the success of the other league members. The more success and wins the conference has come March the more money in the pockets of all members due to conference distributions: including Marquette. The stronger the league the more attractive and lucrative the TV deals. The more revenues the more likely we are to maintain our heralded basketball budget (whether it be second behind Duke or not). The bigger the budget the easier we can afford Wojo and staff to fly jets across the country to see recruits, top-flight facilities like the Al McGuire to appeal to recruits and current players, and so on and so forth.
Having a competitive Big East is crucial for Marquette going forward, and as a fan of sports, it's just more fun to see us in one of the toughest leagues in the country.
Great post. +1,000
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For starters, as others have stated, your logic about wanting to be in a non-competitive league in college basketball is absolute nonsense. You're essentially asking for a Horizon, Mo Valley, Ohio Valley, WCC scenario: and as an Omaha native and Creighton fan for the better half of my life, that scenario kinda unnatural carnal knowledgeing sucks. Kansas is the team you're trying to equate us to, but then OF COURSE all of us want Marquette to be on the level of one of the blue bloods like Kansas. It's just not realistic that a conference we all consider top 3/easily top 5 is one where Marquette "wins every game by 20 points and has no competition."
In reference to your quote here, it's literally nothing like being a Packer fan and wanting the rest of the NFC North to suck. Like at all. Marquette's future success is, believe it or not, partly contingent on the success of the other league members. The more success and wins the conference has come March the more money in the pockets of all members due to conference distributions: including Marquette. The stronger the league the more attractive and lucrative the TV deals. The more revenues the more likely we are to maintain our heralded basketball budget (whether it be second behind Duke or not). The bigger the budget the easier we can afford Wojo and staff to fly jets across the country to see recruits, top-flight facilities like the Al McGuire to appeal to recruits and current players, and so on and so forth.
Having a competitive Big East is crucial for Marquette going forward, and as a fan of sports, it's just more fun to see us in one of the toughest leagues in the country.
Yeah, beccause thats exactly what we've had the last three years. A non-competitive league that isnb't very tough.
Making the argument that we are not currently challenged in the current makeup of the Big East has got to be the single most inane argument I've seen around here in years. Yet many here seem to be making just that argument.
Give me a break. The Big East isn't competitive becuase DePaul has sucked for decades? Or Georgetown is underwhelming?
Have you all not noticed that the league already one of if not the toughest league in Division 1?
From the sounds of some, they think we're currently no better than the AAC, where one could legitimately make the argument that it would be nice if UConn and Memphis became powers again.
But in the current makeup of the Big East, there is absolutely ZERO need for DePaul or St. Johns or Georgetown to EVER become good again. The LEAGUE isn't going to get any more difficult--its just that someone else is going to have to be the doormat.
And every league needs its doormats, and I can't think of three better ones that St. Johns, Georgetown and DePaul.
Just one question for all those that pine for DePaul or Georgetown to improve: Which team are you comfortable with taking their place as league doormats?
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Yeah, beccause thats exactly what we've had the last three years. A non-competitive league that isnb't very tough.
Making the argument that we are not currently challenged in the current makeup of the Big East has got to be the single most inane argument I've seen around here in years. Yet many here seem to be making just that argument.
Give me a break. The Big East isn't competitive becuase DePaul has sucked for decades? Or Georgetown is underwhelming?
Have you all not noticed that the league already one of if not the toughest league in Division 1?
From the sounds of some, they think we're currently no better than the AAC, where one could legitimately make the argument that it would be nice if UConn and Memphis became powers again.
But in the current makeup of the Big East, there is absolutely ZERO need for DePaul or St. Johns or Georgetown to EVER become good again. The LEAGUE isn't going to get any more difficult--its just that someone else is going to have to be the doormat.
And every league needs its doormats, and I can't think of three better ones that St. Johns, Georgetown and DePaul.
Just one question for all those that pine for DePaul or Georgetown to improve: Which team are you comfortable with taking their place as league doormats?
Huh? Who said we don't have anyone competing with us? Who said the league is the MAC? Lol. Read the thread.
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The Big 12 is a good example. They are a great league, and all 10 teams were competitive this year, with the exception of Oklahoma - who just lost Buddy to the draft last year, and had a nice run in previous years.
Sure, they only had 6 tourny teams this year. But the only reason we got 7, was because 2 of our top 4 teams lost their PG. If Sumner and Watson don't go down, either Marquette or Providence don't make the tournament. And maybe both.
There doesn't need to be a doormat in the Big East for us to have success.
As far as Georgetown goes, if they are successful, the league is successful. They draw the most national attention out of any of our conference foes - and would give the league the most positive press if they were "back". Not to mention, people in Milwaukee will fill up the Bradley Center if Georgetown is a successful program.
You can't say the same for Providence or Seton Hall.
Look at baseball. Sure its nice when Pittsburgh goes deep into the playoffs. But when the Cubs win? Rob Manfred needs to find a new place to store his buckets of cash.
Georgetown isn't the Cubs... but their ceiling is as high as Villanova, and at their peak they are the best program in the Big East. Very few programs have 1-seed potential. But Georgetown does - and they need to make a solid hire this time around. No Patrick Ewing.
As for Depaul. I could give an eff about Depaul. But it would be nice to be like the Big 12 and not have a sub-200 RPI doormat every year. If we're a 10 team conference. It should be an extremely competitive 10-teams.
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Yeah, beccause thats exactly what we've had the last three years. A non-competitive league that isnb't very tough.
Making the argument that we are not currently challenged in the current makeup of the Big East has got to be the single most inane argument I've seen around here in years. Yet many here seem to be making just that argument.
Give me a break. The Big East isn't competitive becuase DePaul has sucked for decades? Or Georgetown is underwhelming?
Have you all not noticed that the league already one of if not the toughest league in Division 1?
From the sounds of some, they think we're currently no better than the AAC, where one could legitimately make the argument that it would be nice if UConn and Memphis became powers again.
But in the current makeup of the Big East, there is absolutely ZERO need for DePaul or St. Johns or Georgetown to EVER become good again. The LEAGUE isn't going to get any more difficult--its just that someone else is going to have to be the doormat.
And every league needs its doormats, and I can't think of three better ones that St. Johns, Georgetown and DePaul.
Just one question for all those that pine for DePaul or Georgetown to improve: Which team are you comfortable with taking their place as league doormats?
Literally no one is saying any of this. Even muguru isn't saying this, and he's kind of nuts. You could not be more off base if you tried.
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Huh? Who said we don't have anyone competing with us? Who said the league is the MAC? Lol. Read the thread.
Buzz Williams?
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The Big 12 is a good example. They are a great league, and all 10 teams were competitive this year, with the exception of Oklahoma - who just lost Buddy to the draft last year, and had a nice run in previous years.
Sure, they only had 6 tourny teams this year. But the only reason we got 7, was because 2 of our top 4 teams lost their PG. If Sumner and Watson don't go down, either Marquette or Providence don't make the tournament. And maybe both.
There doesn't need to be a doormat in the Big East for us to have success.
As far as Georgetown goes, if they are successful, the league is successful. They draw the most national attention out of any of our conference foes - and would give the league the most positive press if they were "back". Not to mention, people in Milwaukee will fill up the Bradley Center if Georgetown is a successful program.
You can't say the same for Providence or Seton Hall.
Look at baseball. Sure its nice when Pittsburgh goes deep into the playoffs. But when the Cubs win? Rob Manfred needs to find a new place to store his buckets of cash.
Georgetown isn't the Cubs... but their ceiling is as high as Villanova, and at their peak they are the best program in the Big East. Very few programs have 1-seed potential. But Georgetown does - and they need to make a solid hire this time around. No Patrick Ewing.
As for Depaul. I could give an eff about Depaul. But it would be nice to be like the Big 12 and not have a sub-200 RPI doormat every year. If we're a 10 team conference. It should be an extremely competitive 10-teams.
Pretty sure Texas was a doormat in the B12 also this year. Both them and Oklahoma were pretty dreadful. The difference RPI wise between them and Depaul is that Texas/Oklahoma can get better buy games.
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Shaka to Georgetown wouldn't surprise me..in fact, it makes a ton of sense.
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Literally no one is saying any of this. Even muguru isn't saying this, and he's kind of nuts. You could not be more off base if you tried.
Essentially everyone who suggests that things would be better if only doormats in the Big East improved is saying this.
Someone else in this thread brought up Gonzgaga. Someone else brought up the AAC. People always bring up leagues like this as the examples of why we need DePaul or St. Johns or (in this case) Georgetown to be strong teams--completely ignoring that we don't send one or two teams to the tourney--this year we sent seven.
So WHY do we need DePaul or Georgetown to improve?
Lets say for argument's sake that both DePaul and Georgetown were just a bit better this year. They manage to eke out 2 more wins each--each getting one more win over us and one over Xavier. We're 8-10, Xavier is 7-11 and neither makes the tourney.
Is 5 NCAA teams better than 7? Because that's the practical result of DePaul and Xavier improving.
Do you really think anyone is going to give the league credit because 4-14 DePaul or 7-11 Georgetown had a pretty good non-conference?
People constantly ignore the current state of the Big East and make statements about how much better the league would be "if only DePaul were better" or "if only Georgetown were dominant again." Those are the people that couldn't be more wrong.
Not only is this a zero sum game, but there is a point at which increasing competitiveness harms the league.
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Essentially everyone who suggests that things would be better if only doormats in the Big East improved is saying this.
Someone else in this thread brought up Gonzgaga. Someone else brought up the AAC. People always bring up leagues like this as the examples of why we need DePaul or St. Johns or (in this case) Georgetown to be strong teams--completely ignoring that we don't send one or two teams to the tourney--this year we sent seven.
So WHY do we need DePaul or Georgetown to improve?
Lets say for argument's sake that both DePaul and Georgetown were just a bit better this year. They manage to eke out 2 more wins each--each getting one more win over us and one over Xavier. We're 8-10, Xavier is 7-11 and neither makes the tourney.
Is 5 NCAA teams better than 7? Because that's the practical result of DePaul and Xavier improving.
Do you really think anyone is going to give the league credit because 4-14 DePaul or 7-11 Georgetown had a pretty good non-conference?
People constantly ignore the current state of the Big East and make statements about how much better the league would be "if only DePaul were better" or "if only Georgetown were dominant again." Those are the people that couldn't be more wrong.
Not only is this a zero sum game, but there is a point at which increasing competitiveness harms the league.
I think this argument about nonconference is stupid. Every penny counts and even if it means one of the lowest three teams making the NIT that's still more exposure and more credits that gets shared amongst the conference. Also playing one less RPI drag like DePaul may have bumped us a seed to 9 or made it so that a .500 BE team could get in.
Next you asked who would anyone rather have in the basement than Georgetown St Johns or DePaul, I would say just about anyone in the conference. That's the two largest schools in the biggest markets and the most recognizable brand. I'd personally say those three being good would be more beneficial than any combination of Providence Seton Hall Creighton Butler or Xavier.
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Essentially everyone who suggests that things would be better if only doormats in the Big East improved is saying this.
Someone else in this thread brought up Gonzgaga. Someone else brought up the AAC. People always bring up leagues like this as the examples of why we need DePaul or St. Johns or (in this case) Georgetown to be strong teams--completely ignoring that we don't send one or two teams to the tourney--this year we sent seven.
So WHY do we need DePaul or Georgetown to improve?
Lets say for argument's sake that both DePaul and Georgetown were just a bit better this year. They manage to eke out 2 more wins each--each getting one more win over us and one over Xavier. We're 8-10, Xavier is 7-11 and neither makes the tourney.
Is 5 NCAA teams better than 7? Because that's the practical result of DePaul and Xavier improving.
Do you really think anyone is going to give the league credit because 4-14 DePaul or 7-11 Georgetown had a pretty good non-conference?
People constantly ignore the current state of the Big East and make statements about how much better the league would be "if only DePaul were better" or "if only Georgetown were dominant again." Those are the people that couldn't be more wrong.
Not only is this a zero sum game, but there is a point at which increasing competitiveness harms the league.
Well I agree with you here. The BE doesn't need any particular teams to be better. They just need good teams to make the NCAAs and have deep runs. It doesn't matter if it is DePaul, Georgetown or Seton Hall. However I don't want this conference to turn into a one bid league, or a two or three bid league like the A10.
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Time to change the subject.
Who - besides Patrick Ewing - are the GTown alums with college coaching experience?
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Time to change the subject.
Who - besides Patrick Ewing - are the GTown alums with college coaching experience?
Not many that I can tell. There is one current college coach.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_Broadnax
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Time to change the subject.
Who - besides Patrick Ewing - are the GTown alums with college coaching experience?
I was just going to post that I heard Patrick Ewing is a candidate. His son is currently an assistant for Georgetown.
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I was just going to post that I heard Patrick Ewing is a candidate. His son is currently an assistant for Georgetown.
I think that Georgetown needs to be careful to avoid the whole Al/Hank/Rick Lombardi/Starr/Gregg thing.
Just because a person was a part of the high point of the team's history doesn't necessarily mean that they are the best choice, or the best choice at that point in that coach's career.
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Essentially everyone who suggests that things would be better if only doormats in the Big East improved is saying this.
No one is saying the Big East isn't challenging. No one is saying the Big East isn't competitive.
Personally, I don't care who is at the bottom as long as it isn't Marquette. I'd happily have two teams at the bottom that go 1-17 each year with their two wins coming head-to-head. That would allow the rest of the league an easier path to the tourney and give us a viable chance at 8 bids.
But no one is saying this isn't a good league because of Georgetown or DePaul or whomever.
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I think that Georgetown needs to be careful to avoid the whole Al/Hank/Rick Lombardi/Starr/Gregg thing.
Just because a person was a part of the high point of the team's history doesn't necessarily mean that they are the best choice, or the best choice at that point in that coach's career.
Curious - how often has the same coaching family continued the work of a legend at the same or higher level? Maybe Roy Williams at UNC? The facts show you need to find a new star coach -- the success really just gives you the cachet to recruit them.
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The Big East needs to add St. Bonaventure and Fordham in order to increase yearly tournament bids. If they say no, then add Canisius and Fairfield.
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I still don't understand why all of you want these BE programs to not lose coaches, and be great all the time. Yeah yeah, prestige. So what? All a better Gtown, Better DePaul etc do is make it harder for MU to win conference championships etc. When this new BE was formed..I was hoping/wanting it to be a conference MU ran roughshod over every year..ala Memphis in CUSA not long ago.
I think all of us here would take being the Gonzaga of the BE. I sure as hell would.
Whatever makes it easier for MU to make the dance every year..I'm all for. If that means a lessor BE overall, so be it.
Great players want to play against the best. A strong league helps recruiting and increases the chances that Marquette can actually do something when it get to the NCAA tournament. Remember the Gonzaga tournament disappointments. I sure as hell don't want that.
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You need to clear that cache every once in awhile. ;)
I'm always happy to pick up any excess cache that anyone needs cleared out.
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Absolutely not...no one is understanding what I'm saying..and maybe I didn't explain it clearly enough..I by no means want MU to be part of a one bid league(and the BE will NEVER be that), what i do want is for them to be the Gonzaga of the BE...run roughshod over it year after year after year, I want them to be dominant enough for that to occur. And If that means there are a few cellar dwellars every year, so be it..therer's always going to be anyway. The more REALLY good teams the conference has..the harder it would be for MU to run roughshod regularly...that's all I'm saying.
It's a lot like being a Packer fan, and wanting the rest of the NFC North to be good, or having success in the post season because "it makes the conference look better". Nonsense, I care about one team and one team only in the conference...the rest are enemies(unless they are playing UW).
Maybe you should have said that you wanted marquette to be the Villanova of the Big East.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources-georgetown-to-consider-patrick-ewing-for-head-coaching-position-062037157.html
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources-georgetown-to-consider-patrick-ewing-for-head-coaching-position-062037157.html
I really think Ewing would be a bad hire. I get that he has NBA pedigree and history with Georgetown, but he's already been pursuing NBA head coaching gigs, so you can't really feel he would be completely committed. Further, the problem GT has ran into the past year is they couldn't fire JT3 because of his daddy. So the answer is to bring in another guy that would be hard to fire because of his connection to Big John and the history of the program?
If they were Smart, they would go after someone else. Hurley, Miller, Kelsey, there are plenty of candidates out there. Pretty much anyone outside the family would be a better call.
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The Big 12 is a good example. They are a great league, and all 10 teams were competitive this year, with the exception of Oklahoma - who just lost Buddy to the draft last year, and had a nice run in previous years.
Sure, they only had 6 tourny teams this year. But the only reason we got 7, was because 2 of our top 4 teams lost their PG. If Sumner and Watson don't go down, either Marquette or Providence don't make the tournament. And maybe both.
There doesn't need to be a doormat in the Big East for us to have success.
As far as Georgetown goes, if they are successful, the league is successful. They draw the most national attention out of any of our conference foes - and would give the league the most positive press if they were "back". Not to mention, people in Milwaukee will fill up the Bradley Center if Georgetown is a successful program.
You can't say the same for Providence or Seton Hall.
Look at baseball. Sure its nice when Pittsburgh goes deep into the playoffs. But when the Cubs win? Rob Manfred needs to find a new place to store his buckets of cash.
Georgetown isn't the Cubs... but their ceiling is as high as Villanova, and at their peak they are the best program in the Big East. Very few programs have 1-seed potential. But Georgetown does - and they need to make a solid hire this time around. No Patrick Ewing.
As for Depaul. I could give an eff about Depaul. But it would be nice to be like the Big 12 and not have a sub-200 RPI doormat every year. If we're a 10 team conference. It should be an extremely competitive 10-teams.
IMO, this is it. This is why Georgetown is special in a way that the other conference members are not.
I like having a couple of doormats, but I would hate for one of those to be Georgetown. They are a historic powerhouse program. The name and the face of the Big East, as it were. I would prefer to keep DePaul as a doormat along with maybe a team like Providence or Seton Hall.
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If they were Smart, they would go after someone else. Hurley, Miller, Kelsey, there are plenty of candidates out there. Pretty much anyone outside the family would be a better call.
I see what you did there with the caps. ;D
Shaka 2 GT
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IMO, this is it. This is why Georgetown is special in a way that the other conference members are not.
I like having a couple of doormats, but I would hate for one of those to be Georgetown. They are a historic powerhouse program. The name and the face of the Big East, as it were. I would prefer to keep DePaul as a doormat along with maybe a team like Providence or Seton Hall.
Not to mention, I think Georgetown would be the easiest team for all of us to hate if they (1) had a good, tough coach and (2) were more successful.
The one thing I feel the BE is currently lacking is a team and coach that is both successful but also vexing enough to fire up the teams/fan bases, a la Duke or Kentucky (or UConn/Louisville/Syracuse in the OBE). Nova/Wright are just too likeable to fill that role, and no one else really has the capacity to take on that role.
If Georgetown had a guy like Hurley or Crean who were good but also easy to dislike (if they aren't your coach), they are the team that could be the easiest to dislike and build some good rivalries across the conference.
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Not to mention, I think Georgetown would be the easiest team for all of us to hate if they (1) had a good, tough coach and (2) were more successful.
The one thing I feel the BE is currently lacking is a team and coach that is both successful but also vexing enough to fire up the teams/fan bases, a la Duke or Kentucky (or UConn/Louisville/Syracuse in the OBE). Nova/Wright are just too likeable to fill that role, and no one else really has the capacity to take on that role.
If Georgetown had a guy like Hurley or Crean who were good but also easy to dislike (if they aren't your coach), they are the team that could be the easiest to dislike and build some good rivalries across the conference.
Hopefully Wojo and Marquette fills that void.
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I see what you did there with the caps. ;D
Shaka 2 GT
;)
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I see what you did there with the caps. ;D
Shaka 2 GT
What? Georgia Tech is hiring a new coach?
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I wonder who drew the short straw and had to meet with JT. I also really wonder what JT's involvement in the process was. I have a hard time imagining them going to JT for his "blessing," but I'd be shocked if they did not consult with him and let him know it was going to happen before they did it. I suspect he didn't have veto power...but who knows. I know he is extremely influential at Georgetown.
I'm very interested in this coaching search. There have been a few intriguing names thrown about. Over the years, Georgetown has shown an unmistakable commitment to Black basketball players, and a part of their image and branding reflects that (i.e., the kente cloth pattern). I honestly don't know if this has ever been stated explicitly as part of the program's policy/mission, or if it has been unspoken. JT talked about it at times, but I don't know if any of that was official. It appears that with JTIII's firing that Georgetown may be moving away from the Thompson connection. Frankly, I'd be a little surprised if they also moved too quickly and too far away from that traditional commitment to Black players. So, putting it in the parlance of this message board, I personally expect Georgetown to hire an athletic coach. Amaker is an intriguing choice, and wouldn't surprise me. Smart is also a possibility and right about now Texas might actually be thrilled to see him go. I would be very surprised to see them bring in a shooter like Tim Crean.
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I wonder who drew the short straw and had to meet with JT. I also really wonder what JT's involvement in the process was. I have a hard time imagining them going to JT for his "blessing," but I'd be shocked if they did not consult with him and let him know it was going to happen before they did it. I suspect he didn't have veto power...but who knows. I know he is extremely influential at Georgetown.
I'm very interested in this coaching search. There have been a few intriguing names thrown about. Over the years, Georgetown has shown an unmistakable commitment to Black basketball players, and a part of their image and branding reflects that (i.e., the kente cloth pattern). I honestly don't know if this has ever been stated explicitly as part of the program's policy/mission, or if it has been unspoken. JT talked about it at times, but I don't know if any of that was official. It appears that with JTIII's firing that Georgetown may be moving away from the Thompson connection. Frankly, I'd be a little surprised if they also moved too quickly and too far away from that traditional commitment to Black players. So, putting it in the parlance of this message board, I personally expect Georgetown to hire an athletic coach. Amaker is an intriguing choice, and wouldn't surprise me. Smart is also a possibility and right about now Texas might actually be thrilled to see him go. I would be very surprised to see them bring in a shooter like Tim Crean.
I thought this article from The Undefeated the other day was really interesting and touched on that history at Georgetown.
https://theundefeated.com/features/gentrification-of-ncaa-division-1-college-basketball/
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Even when Georgetown was good their attendance sucked. Best average was 13000. So stop complaining about our attendance as it has been better than Georgetown's best when our team was on a 3 year low. They are a program in a lot of hurt. The article also states the Big East is a fine conference , but not the best top to bottom. Well no conference is the best top to bottom, but the Beast is pretty close. I hope they can find a coach that will get them back on track.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/georgetown-needs-a-basketball-coach-just-how-good-a-job-is-that/2017/03/24/69754ad2-10ba-11e7-9b0d-d27c98455440_story.html?utm_term=.31c40227bc26
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Even when Georgetown was good their attendance sucked. Best average was 13000.
Honest question: In your mind what is an attendance number that would not suck? Most schools would kill to draw 13K a game.
I am too busy (and lazy) to look it up myself, but what is the best average attendance for among schools that are located in a NBA city? IIRC correctly, most of the schools on the top of the attendance list are in places like Syracuse and Omaha.
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Has anybody considered our Baltimore native coach is actually a perfect fit at Georgetown?
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Has anybody considered our Baltimore native coach is actually a perfect fit at Georgetown?
No.
Wojo isn't starting over. Anything he can do at Georgetown, he can do at MU. Only job Wojo is leaving for without being push out the door is Duke, or a handful of other clearly better jobs.
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Has anybody considered our Baltimore native coach is actually a perfect fit at Georgetown?
Nah, they're looking for someone who can game coach.
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Lot of Cooley talk over on Hoya Saxa after an interview he gave. He could just be angling for better facilities and a raise, but it seems like he doesn't have much tying him to Providence. Looks like he makes in the 1.6 - 2.0 range right now and JTIII was 3+. He would make GTown formidable again quickly, but I'd fear more Providence would drop pretty far. Can't ever recall an intra-conference coaching transfer.
Providence board discussing
http://www.scout.com/college/providence/forums/1323-friar-talk/15484856-cooley-on-espn-podcast
Could be nothing, but worth keeping an eye on.
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Honest question: In your mind what is an attendance number that would not suck? Most schools would kill to draw 13K a game.
I am too busy (and lazy) to look it up myself, but what is the best average attendance for among schools that are located in a NBA city? IIRC correctly, most of the schools on the top of the attendance list are in places like Syracuse and Omaha.
I agree, but we draw better than that and folks here complain and if we start winning again we will compete with Creighton. What I'm saying is that Gtown does not have a loyal fan base like we do and may have a harder time bringing their program back.
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Lot of Cooley talk over on Hoya Saxa after an interview he gave. He could just be angling for better facilities and a raise, but it seems like he doesn't have much tying him to Providence. Looks like he makes in the 1.6 - 2.0 range right now and JTIII was 3+. He would make GTown formidable again quickly, but I'd fear more Providence would drop pretty far. Can't ever recall an intra-conference coaching transfer.
Tubby Smith went from Georgia to Kentucky.
Eddie Fogler went from Vandy to South Carolina.
Those are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.
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Billy Donovan nearly went to Kentucky from Florida.
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Lot of Cooley talk over on Hoya Saxa after an interview he gave. He could just be angling for better facilities and a raise, but it seems like he doesn't have much tying him to Providence. Looks like he makes in the 1.6 - 2.0 range right now and JTIII was 3+. He would make GTown formidable again quickly, but I'd fear more Providence would drop pretty far. Can't ever recall an intra-conference coaching transfer.
Providence board discussing
http://www.scout.com/college/providence/forums/1323-friar-talk/15484856-cooley-on-espn-podcast
Could be nothing, but worth keeping an eye on.
The Hoya money guys are pushing hard for Cooley. Would be an enormous get for Georgetown.
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Isn't Cooley a born and raised Providence guy?
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Tubby Smith went from Georgia to Kentucky.
Eddie Fogler went from Vandy to South Carolina.
Those are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.
In football, Tommy Tubberville went from Ole Miss to Auburn.
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Was really surprised to see all the hate for Amaker on the Gtown board. That seemed a pretty natural fit imho. I get he didn't have much success at Michigan, but he's certainly grown as a coach since then, and has been rooted in the east coast recruiting scene for a long while now. I think he would naturally see an uptick in the players he's able to get at Gtown vs Harvard. There also seems to be some overvaluing of the gig, which is to be expected on a team's home board - but I think the idea of luring Miller from AZ, Brey from ND, Shaka from UT, or Enfield from USC are long shots at best.
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Was really surprised to see all the hate for Amaker on the Gtown board. That seemed a pretty natural fit imho. I get he didn't have much success at Michigan, but he's certainly grown as a coach since then, and has been rooted in the east coast recruiting scene for a long while now. I think he would naturally see an uptick in the players he's able to get at Gtown vs Harvard. There also seems to be some overvaluing of the gig, which is to be expected on a team's home board - but I think the idea of luring Miller from AZ, Brey from ND, Shaka from UT, or Enfield from USC are long shots at best.
Maybe Enfeild from USC is possible, the others aren't happening. Enfield does have some ties to the east coast and DC area. That said, I'd much prefer to live in Southern Cali!
But I'm sure he'd get a nice raise.
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In football, Tommy Tubberville went from Ole Miss to Auburn.
And Steve Sarkisian went from Washington to USC.
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Personal friendships with PC alums aside, I would much rather have Georgetown at the top of our conference that PC.
If Georgetown is a Top 10 team, we all are winners. Like Nova they have a certain cache that the rest of the league save for maybe St. John's does not.
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Personal friendships with PC alums aside, I would much rather have Georgetown at the top of our conference that PC.
If Georgetown is a Top 10 team, we all are winners. Like Nova they have a certain cache that the rest of the league save for maybe St. John's does not.
What internet searches are Georgetown, St. John's, and Villanova doing that the other BE schools aren't?
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What internet searches are Georgetown, St. John's, and Villanova doing that the other BE schools aren't?
Heh.
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The Hoya money guys are pushing hard for Cooley. Would be an enormous get for Georgetown.
I have a hard time believing the Big East would allow schools to poach head coaches from one another... assistants, sure, but I wouldn't be so certain that Cooley is any sort of a viable candidate unless PC has already agreed to let him move on.
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Mentioned this in the Superbar thread, but I think they should look at King Rice. Has had success at a private school, plays an up-tempo style that appeals to recruits, and has done a great job injecting enthusiasm into the program at Monmouth.
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Interesting story on why floating the Mike Brey name may not be based in reality, but in what it actually signals to potential candidates.
http://deadspin.com/the-power-struggle-at-georgetown-goes-back-to-a-petty-1793666837?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
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Mentioned this in the Superbar thread, but I think they should look at King Rice. Has had success at a private school, plays an up-tempo style that appeals to recruits, and has done a great job injecting enthusiasm into the program at Monmouth.
Do you think Ben Howland would be a good fit for them? After all wasn't he was in the mix after Buzz left.
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Do you think Ben Howland would be a good fit for them? After all wasn't he was in the mix after Buzz left.
I'd be shocked.
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Do you think Ben Howland would be a good fit for them? After all wasn't he was in the mix after Buzz left.
He was in the mix on Scoop, and he certainly put his name out there as a candidate, but I don't know how serious of an option he was for the administration.
I think the way things at ended at UCLA, combined with his lack of success at Mississippi State, would keep him from getting a look at G'Town unless they get really, really desperate.
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Do you think Ben Howland would be a good fit for them? After all wasn't he was in the mix after Buzz left.
No, for many reasons. I would be very surprised if they looked into Howland at all. If his name comes up at all, it's probably just an indicator he wants out of Starkville.
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Do you think Ben Howland would be a good fit for them? After all wasn't he was in the mix after Buzz left.
He certainly wanted to be in the mix
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Interesting story on why floating the Mike Brey name may not be based in reality, but in what it actually signals to potential candidates.
http://deadspin.com/the-power-struggle-at-georgetown-goes-back-to-a-petty-1793666837?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Good read.