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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 20, 2018, 04:09:37 PM
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It’s official.
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Boom goes the dynamite!
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/987437476196298752
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https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/987437476196298752
Jeff Goodman:
Marquette has landed Fordham grad transfer Joseph Chartouny, source told ESPN. 6-3 guard chose Marquette over Louisville.
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HAhahahaha "6-3 guard chose Marquette over Louisville"
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Awesome! Welcome JC!
Last time we had a Canadian with the initials JC playing point guard we went to the Elite-8.
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HAhahahaha the " 6-3 guard chose Marquette over Louisville." is the best part!!
I'm glad we didn't lose him to a lesser program...
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MU always releases bad news late on a Friday afternoon. ;)
J/K. Very excited about this addition and the way next year's team is shaping up.
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HUGE!!!
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Nous sommes Marquette!
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Time to break out the celebratory poutine and wash it down with some molson.
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Or if he's one of them separatists...
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Vive Chartouny! Vive Marquette!
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I’m good with this Friday afternoon news dump.
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Nother 2 Star unatheltic white boy. Great
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Hurry get him a walking boot now! Just get it out of the way early!
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Poor Louisville. Trolls are gonna troll but this is great!
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Perfect start to the weekend and spring
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Saw the need, identified the best available option, pursued him, impressed him and his family, signed him ... all in a matter of a few weeks.
Nicely done, Wojo!
And welcome to MU, Joe C. You immediately become my favorite JC!!
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Value Add moves us closer to Top 10 if I got that right.
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Nother 2 Star unatheltic white boy. Great
Teal?
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Nother 2 Star unatheltic white boy. Great
He's Lebanese you bum
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Nother 2 Star unatheltic white boy. Great
Unathletic kids don't lead the NCAA in steals... He's also not white. Bad troll is bad.
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Value Add moves us closer to Top 10 if I got that right.
I believe value add already assigned a value of 1.30 to each empty scholarship, in anticipation of what might be added to the roster. So 2 x 1.30 = 2.60; but a traditional transfer or empty scholarship goes 0 at the start of the season.
That means most of JC's value is already baked into the last value add score.
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Great job by Wojo and staff. Now let’s get everyone healthy and on the court together. Very happy we won out over Louisville.
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Of all the options out there, JC might just be the best fit for what our team was lacking. I'm not sure that he's one of our top 5 players next season, but his skillset will guarantee him a lot of playing time.
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Great news. Welcome to Marquette! Can't wait to see his first French Canadian Connection (assist) in an MU uniform.
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THIS is exactly the type of player MU needs to turn the corner, he’s spectacular on defense which is what everyone else is bad at. There needs to be more balance with offense and defense and this is a huge step in the right direction.
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Awesome!
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Unathletic kids don't lead the NCAA in steals... He's also not white. Bad troll is bad.
The steals are going to be a great asset. I just briefly perused his game log and the steals didn't just get racked up against the bad teams, he was very consistently 2-5 steals the whole year. A guy with that kind of energy on the outside will be a nice asset alongside Markus and should improve the defense a lot. Hopefully not as many unchecked blow-bys. Also, teams will obviously target Markus on the blow-by now but Chartouney will have a great opportunity to thieve those suckers.
That should leave our greatly improved frontcourt to bang and dominate down low without having to crazily run all over the court as much to cover up the weaknesses.
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Happy 4/20!
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I love this addition. Really think Chartouny is exactly what we need. On offense, he can dish & drive, which plays perfectly with our roster in that he can create for our shooters & take advantage of the space they create.
Defensively, he brings the size our backcourt lacks & his knack for creating turnovers gives us some legitimate defensive disruption.
I'm incredibly excited about Chartouny and feel of all the grad transfers on the market, he's the best fit for our needs.
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You know, these things are always a crapshoot as you never know how a young man thinks. But I hope he feels the same way we do. Perfect fit.
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Love it! Super excited for next season. The rebuild is complete, thank God.
Cant wait for the season to start, well after all the guys get their casts removed and lose the crutches. Heal up boys, the Final 4 is in Minneapolis!
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Yes! We are complete. We have made it back and looking forward to next year.
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Nother 2 Star unatheltic white boy. Great
Another Johnny B post. Great
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THIS is exactly the type of player MU needs to turn the corner, he’s spectacular on defense which is what everyone else is bad at. There needs to be more balance with offense and defense and this is a huge step in the right direction.
Sacar? Theo? Morrow? Sam? Jamal? Greg?
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Are they cryin' over on the Loserville message board?
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O Canada!
Welcome to Marquette, Joseph - your table is set!
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I’m bracing for the Scoop criticism two games into next season...
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I’m bracing for the Scoop criticism two games into next season...
No surprise there.
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Are they cryin' over on the Loserville message board?
Apparently, they cooled on him. ;)
https://247sports.com/college/louisville/Board/103990/Contents/Joesph-chartouny-117535792
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He's Lebanese you bum
Johnny B displaying his usual keen intellect.
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An actual point guard! Great news. My optimism about next season just went way up.
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Or if he's one of them separatists...
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/5730e10c3410826c1ce7ce06432e85a2/tenor.gif?itemid=11229565)
That's more like it!
The Canadian flag (and the Queen, FWIW) are nowhere to be found in the Quebec province.
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I believe value add already assigned a value of 1.30 to each empty scholarship, in anticipation of what might be added to the roster. So 2 x 1.30 = 2.60; but a traditional transfer or empty scholarship goes 0 at the start of the season.
That means most of JC's value is already baked into the last value add score.
I thought his value add was greater than that average, though, which bumped us (especially his defense). Of course, there will be other winners too.
Too busy to dig but I am sure Auburn or PT will have an update soon.
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https://twitter.com/bensteelemjs/status/987455028175818752?s=21
Steele doubly confirms
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Apparently, they cooled on him. ;)
https://247sports.com/college/louisville/Board/103990/Contents/Joesph-chartouny-117535792
Yep.... they stopped recruiting him as soon as he told Mack he was going to MU.
My sources tell me it was instantaneous!
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https://twitter.com/mucoachjohnson/status/987451535373275136?s=21
And a Stan tweet I can understand!
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Yep.... they stopped recruiting him as soon as he told Mack he was going to MU.
My sources tell me it was instantaneous!
Thought that was hilarious, also that they surely must be about to land an even better prospect since they didn't land Chartouney.
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Today is a great day!
Welcome to MU, Joseph!
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FUGGING AWESOME. October can't come soon enough!
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Yesssss!!! Fook Louis vile 8-)
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Wojo is a closer. There is no doubt about that
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https://bustingbrackets.com/2018/04/20/marquette-basketball-picks-grad-transfer-joseph-chartouny/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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Wojo is a closer. There is no doubt about that
Definitely seems to do well on the recruiting trail...this was a big pickup for MU and Wojo. Well done. Let's hope it translates to a Top 20, solid NCAA season.
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Definitely seems to do well on the recruiting trail...this was a big pickup for MU and Wojo. Well done. Let's hope it translates to a Top 20, solid NCAA season.
Top 20 my backside.
I'm hoping Top 10!!!!!!
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https://bustingbrackets.com/2018/04/20/marquette-basketball-picks-grad-transfer-joseph-chartouny/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Wow, he looks a lot like Divincenzo.
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Great pickup. Now we've got no excuses, and personally, I don't think we'll need any. This gets us to the top 3 of the BEast, a good seed and into the second/third weekend, or more.
Welcome to Warrior Nation JC!
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Wow, he looks a lot like Divincenzo.
Dead ringer
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Have we ordered his boot yet?
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Just gives me.an excuse.to mention Joe Beef and.Au Pied de Cochon. Two of the best restaurants in North America.
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Wow, he looks a lot like Divincenzo.
Dude, made me grin. Thanks for that. 👍
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What's all the fuss?
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What's all the fuss?
We just solved the biggest problem on next year's team and became legitimate candidate for the Top 3 teams in the Big East.
God knows, we might be a Top 15 team nationally too!
Here's hoping!!!!!
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;D
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I’m bracing for the Scoop criticism two games into next season...
I have to admit that this thought creeped into my head, too, but I was too happy and too busy being positive to state it here.
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We just solved the biggest problem on next year's team and became legitimate candidate for the Top 3 teams in the Big East.
God knows, we might be a Top 15 team nationally too!
Here's hoping!!!!!
let’s settle down a little...
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What a difference a Day Makes.
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Nother 2 Star unatheltic white boy. Great
So you're saying he won't be a Theltic? What about a Raptor?
Superb on-ball defender?
Returning NCAA steals leader?
Elite passer?
High I.Q guy, both on-court and in classroom?
Yes, great....great fit!
Looks like he'll be a WARRIOR!!!
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Awesome! Welcome JC!
Last time we had a Canadian with the initials JC playing point guard we went to the Elite-8.
Good point! I know I've been on record saying if we signed Chartouny we were a legit Sweet 16 team, so don't know why I shot so low. Yes! Elite 8 with Courtney. Wait, now I may be selling this signing short like Sister Jean did with Loyola in her bracket - so Courtney plus returning players = Final 4! But wait ...
OK, I'll calm down, but really seems to me the perfect fit for a team that needs a defensive guard and just got the best one in the country. And a team with 3 three-point shooters on the floor at all times that can loosen those lanes to let him drive and finish or dish.
I literally walked by one of Fordham's buildings tonight in NY and had not heard the news - obviously a sign.
WELCOME!!!!!!
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Great job by Wojo and staff. Now let’s get everyone healthy and on the court together. Very happy we won out over Louisville.
Goose
What is your take about the talent level of JC?
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Stretch
I know about as much about his talent level as you do. Never know how good someone is until they get together with the guys. On paper, no reason not to be happy about the addition. We did not have a PG twelve hours ago, and now an accomplished, veteran PG.
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Vive Chartouny! Vive Marquette!
Ahh! So he is fellow Quebecois!
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Well done to Wojo and staff.
We finally will get to see what this thing can do with all the pieces.
Experience - check.
Shooters - check.
Get to the rack - check.
Distribution - check.
Size - check.
Athleticism - check.
Perimeter D - check.
Interior D - check.
I am very excited for next season. But hopefully we can all agree that the resulting product we see on the floor will be solely a function of Wojo's ability to put the pieces together rather than the lack of any particular component.
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let’s settle down a little...
Why?
After last year, we know what we needed and Coach Wojo went out and got it. No bridesmaids here, like we were a couple of years ago on the grad transfer market. We're the bride and we beat out Loserville.
Ironic that we were in exactly the opposite situation a couple of years ago. My guess is Joseph knew we were ready to compete now at a high level. Loserville was not.
As to next year, yes I'm excited. If Wojo really can coach, we're going uptown in a big way.
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THIS is exactly the type of player MU needs to turn the corner, he’s spectacular on defense which is what everyone else is bad at. There needs to be more balance with offense and defense and this is a huge step in the right direction.
Hmmmmm....Spectacular on defense? What analyst source provided that?
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Well done to Wojo and staff.
We finally will get to see what this thing can do with all the pieces.
Experience - check.
Shooters - check.
Get to the rack - check.
Distribution - check.
Size - check.
Athleticism - check.
Perimeter D - check.
Interior D - check.
I am very excited for next season. But hopefully we can all agree that the resulting product we see on the floor will be solely a function of Wojo's ability to put the pieces together rather than the lack of any particular component.
Ultimately, every coach has to be judged by his team's performance.
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Awesome job - getting the best available PG who can play next year.
Now get another transfer or freshman PG.
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Haha i have been walleye fishing the last two days and missed this all!!! Incredible news!!
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Hmmmmm....Spectacular on defense? What analyst source provided that?
ESPN said “great”, which is a synonym of “spectacular”.
PG Joseph Chartouny, 6'3", Fordham: kenpom / espn Chartouny is a big PG that competed in the A-10 with less than stellar advanced numbers but an impressive raw statline (12.2 ppg/5.6 rpg/4.6 apg). He's a great defender that has been among the national leaders in steals each of the past two seasons. The hope would be that he would improve his efficiency if he had better surrounding talent. His shooting stats took a dip last year, but that could be because Fordham lost their three best players from 2017, two of which left as grad transfers: Christian Sengfelder to Boise State and Antwoine Anderson to UConn.
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I'm curious to see how JC's shot improves after he's worked a summer with Brett Nelson.
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Haha i have been walleye fishing the last two days and missed this all!!! Incredible news!!
Superbar.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32556.msg1007514#msg1007514
Catch anything decent?
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Hmmmmm....Spectacular on defense? What analyst source provided that?
....leading the NCAA in steals and steal% two years in a row isn't good enough for you?
Well if it's not, according to Auburnmufan, he is the number one defensive value add player that was available on the Marquette this year.
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If he can score 3 points, we'll have another 1,000 pointer.
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....leading the NCAA in steals and steal% two years in a row isn't good enough for you?
Well if it's not, according to Auburnmufan, he is the number one defensive value add player that was available on the Marquette this year.
Now that's an autocorrect I can live with! (unless it wasn't an autocorrect, but rather a bad pun)
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Nothing on Journal site or ESPN....
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Nothing on Journal site or ESPN....
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2018/04/20/marquette-lands-graduate-transfer-guard-joseph-chartouny-fordham/537793002/
And ESPN hasn't done a story for any grad transfer commitments from what I can see. They are almost entirely focused on the draft.
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Wow, he looks a lot like Divincenzo.
Audible chuckle 👏
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Why?
After last year, we know what we needed and Coach Wojo went out and got it. No bridesmaids here, like we were a couple of years ago on the grad transfer market. We're the bride and we beat out Loserville.
Ironic that we were in exactly the opposite situation a couple of years ago. My guess is Joseph knew we were ready to compete now at a high level. Loserville was not.
As to next year, yes I'm excited. If Wojo really can coach, we're going uptown in a big way.
Agree on all fronts. Additionally what will be interesting to see is what Loserville’s off court reputation will have on it’s on court fortunes going forward. As in, how much will kids simply not want to be known or seen as a Louisville player/grad?? Even moreso if/when they get additional penalties, i belive they should get the death penalty. How much did kids not wanting to say they played for SMU affect SMUs fortunes 5-10-15-20 years after the fact?
F ‘em!
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Exciting news. JC is what the doctor ordered. When will he be on campus?
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https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2018/04/20/marquette-lands-graduate-transfer-guard-joseph-chartouny-fordham/537793002/
And ESPN hasn't done a story for any grad transfer commitments from what I can see. They are almost entirely focused on the draft.
Thanks for the update.
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ESPN said “great”, which is a synonym of “spectacular”.
PG Joseph Chartouny, 6'3", Fordham: kenpom / espn Chartouny is a big PG that competed in the A-10 with less than stellar advanced numbers but an impressive raw statline (12.2 ppg/5.6 rpg/4.6 apg). He's a great defender that has been among the national leaders in steals each of the past two seasons. The hope would be that he would improve his efficiency if he had better surrounding talent. His shooting stats took a dip last year, but that could be because Fordham lost their three best players from 2017, two of which left as grad transfers: Christian Sengfelder to Boise State and Antwoine Anderson to UConn.
OK. Now we need to hear from those that say that ESPN's analysis is poor. Have seen that many times here when posting about ESPN recruit rankings. As many know, ESPN is not infallible.
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OK. Now we need to hear from those that say that ESPN's analysis is poor. Have seen that many times here when posting about ESPN recruit rankings. As many know, ESPN is not infallible.
Every outlet can be fallible. The reality is Chartouny will probably be similar to other grad transfers we've had in the past. Lockett, Carlino, and Reinhardt all took a lot of flack early on for not delivering what fans promised. They didn't score enough, or shot too much, or whatever other complaints we had. By December all three started to show why they were valuable pieces of the puzzle and by the end of conference play there were unquestionably games we won because of their presence.
I'm not sure why this is the cycle. Maybe they tend to push too much early as they figure out their role in the system. Maybe as seniors they feel they need to lead immediately rather than easing in. I don't know. But I'd guess that come mid-November there will be plenty of people complaining about Chartouny and by February we'll be grateful he came on board.
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While not overly athletic Chartouny has a rep as a top-notch defender. If he brings that to the table and some playmaking ability that's that is needed. My guess is his offense will improve steadily as the season progresses.
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https://twitter.com/BradCav2/status/987438782952738816?s=20
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https://twitter.com/BradCav2/status/987438782952738816?s=20
I read this and the question that immediately popped into my mind was: Who the hell is Brad Cavallaro?
So I googled him. He contributes to something called Busting Brackets, and here is his profile:
I am a huge college basketball fan who religiously follows the sport at a national level. I recently graduated from Providence College and I am currently pursuing my MBA at Bryant University.
In other words, he's the same as most Scoopers. He's an ardent fan who likes to give his opinion. Except he's not as experienced an observer as most of us.
I'm not dismissing him, but his opinion on JC or any other subject is no better than mine or yours or anybody else's.
Having said that, from what I know JC and the rest of our roster, I would agree with those who believe MU should be a ranked team and a legit Big East contender now.
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the addition of JC immediately changes other teams approach to us and gives us another CHANCE to be better than we were. now we just have to go out and execute. welcome mr chartouny
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I read this and the question that immediately popped into my mind was: Who the hell is Brad Cavallaro?
So I googled him. He contributes to something called Busting Brackets, and here is his profile:
I am a huge college basketball fan who religiously follows the sport at a national level. I recently graduated from Providence College and I am currently pursuing my MBA at Bryant University.
In other words, he's the same as most Scoopers. He's an ardent fan who likes to give his opinion. Except he's not as experienced an observer as most of us.
I'm not dismissing him, but his opinion on JC or any other subject is no better than mine or yours or anybody else's.
Having said that, from what I know JC and the rest of our roster, I would agree with those who believe MU should be a ranked team and a legit Big East contender now.
It gives a prospective from a non-Marquette fan. Looking through his timeline, he follows NCAA and the BE quite well.
Let's not trash the guy because he doesn't have a blue check. Rob Dauster and Troy Machir were the same type of Twitter posters 5-6 years ago.
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You know, Scoop itself should start a twitter feed. With the $hit some of us say we'd be quoted every day. Oh yeah, Scoop Takes! ::)
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Ultimately, every coach has to be judged by his team's performance.
By history, yes.
By media, mostly.
By Scoop....nah!
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While not overly athletic Chartouny has a rep as a top-notch defender. If he brings that to the table and some playmaking ability that's that is needed. My guess is his offense will improve steadily as the season progresses.
Agree. We do not need his offense as much as having a true point who can actually defend. MU has offensive weapons, it's the D that has been dismal. He has the ability to contribute defensively and that we sorely need.
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Non MU opinion about how Chartoney fits our needs at the bottom of this piece
http://three-man-weave.com/3mw/2019-start-offseason-bracketology
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Non MU opinion about how Chartoney fits our needs at the bottom of this piece
http://three-man-weave.com/3mw/2019-start-offseason-bracketology
Am I missing something about Seton Hall? This bracketology has them just out, and a lot of others have them in. They are losing a ton, and even when they had their 4 Seniors, they underachieved IMO, implying that Willard really needs top level talent to get the job done, which he does not have much of other than Powell. I think they will take a major step back and be in the bottom third of the Beast and get lucky to get a NIT bid.
Getting back on topic it seems that we were all spot on in our analysis that JC makes a great fit.
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That's some nice respect for the Warriors there, DJO.
Guy has us #26 and a 7-seed - and that's before we got JC. As he said:
One note - this bracket doesn't factor in Joseph Chartouny choosing Marquette - if it did, I'd bump the Golden Eagles up inside the Top 25. He's a perfect fit alongside Howard in the backcourt as a great defender with size, and the Hauser brothers are going to be matchup nightmares at the forward spots.
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That's some nice respect for the Warriors there, DJO.
Guy has us #26 and a 7-seed - and that's before we got JC. As he said:
One note - this bracket doesn't factor in Joseph Chartouny choosing Marquette - if it did, I'd bump the Golden Eagles up inside the Top 25. He's a perfect fit alongside Howard in the backcourt as a great defender with size, and the Hauser brothers are going to be matchup nightmares at the forward spots.
Making it back to the tournament (the 2nd appearance in 3 years) would be clear progress. Improving our seed from 2017, more so. I think a seed in the 6-8 range is a realistic expectation. I'd be absolutely thrilled with a 4 or 5 seed.
Then again, the same projection has Wisconsin in the field as a 10 seed.
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Non MU opinion about how Chartoney fits our needs at the bottom of this piece
http://three-man-weave.com/3mw/2019-start-offseason-bracketology
Love the pod they have us in. First, we get to see MU beat the rodents. Then we sit back while Liberty beats UVa.
;)
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By history, yes.
By media, mostly.
By Scoop....nah!
Isn't 82 the history of media? ;)
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Making it back to the tournament (the 2nd appearance in 3 years) would be clear progress. Improving our seed from 2017, more so. I think a seed in the 6-8 range is a realistic expectation. I'd be absolutely thrilled with a 4 or 5 seed.
Then again, the same projection has Wisconsin in the field as a 10 seed.
I think UW's recent history in terms of making the tournament will continue to get them preseason projections like this for a few more years. And I'd say it's deserved. They have a strong recent history of miraculous player development (luck?) and it's reasonable for these kinds of guys to put them in the tourney even with last season's disappointment.
That said I think it's pretty fun to think about them getting even worse. On paper it certainly doesn't look good, and Greg Gard has all the makings of an eventual UW scapegoat.
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I think UW's recent history in terms of making the tournament will continue to get them preseason projections like this for a few more years. And I'd say it's deserved. They have a strong recent history of miraculous player development (luck?) and it's reasonable for these kinds of guys to put them in the tourney even with last season's disappointment.
That said I think it's pretty fun to think about them getting even worse. On paper it certainly doesn't look good, and Greg Gard has all the makings of an eventual UW scapegoat.
Next year will be significant. Happ graduating coupled with that empty recruiting class means starting in 2019-20, it's solidly Gard's team. If they don't show significant progress before Happ graduates, I expect their Q rating will drop like a rock.
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You know, Scoop itself should start a twitter feed. With the $hit some of us say we'd be quoted every day. Oh yeah, Scoop Takes! ::)
Do Golden Eagles tweet?
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Next year will be significant. Happ graduating coupled with that empty recruiting class means starting in 2019-20, it's solidly Gard's team. If they don't show significant progress before Happ graduates, I expect their Q rating will drop like a rock.
Methinks WI residents will be on the hook for at least a few years of his contract, once things go really sour. Maybe he can be "Ollied" and forced off the island without pay... Perhaps they can prove he knew something about Bo's naughtiness. 8-)
I agree that Happ alone will keep them up there in the preseason rankings. In practice, he is totally not the kind of player that can carry the team like some of his predecessors. Even Matt Heldt was capable of neutralizing him, for the most part. Looking forward to MU humiliating him/them this year.
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I think UW makes the tourney as a bubble team. 10-12 seed sounds about right. The 2019 recruiting class will make or break Gard.