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Title: You get 3 changes
Post by: RIP Marquette Gyros on March 05, 2020, 10:59:33 AM
Just curious to hear everyones thoughts. If you were in charge and had 3 things you could change, what would you do to get us out of this slump (aside from firing wojo because he's not leaving this year).


1. Play symir as PG. We need a better ball handler, what's the worse that could happen at this point.

2. Push tempo more, feel like a lot of times we've had numbers but slow the tempo to set up an offense. 

3. try to go small, play no 5s so we can open up the lane and actually get some penetration. 
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Mediocre Steve on March 05, 2020, 11:02:01 AM
4. Fire Bill Scholl
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: mu03eng on March 05, 2020, 11:02:36 AM
Just curious to hear everyones thoughts. If you were in charge and had 3 things you could change, what would you do to get us out of this slump (aside from firing wojo because he's not leaving this year).


1. Play symir as PG. We need a better ball handler, what's the worse that could happen at this point.
Less scoring from the position and much lower on-ball defense than alternatives

2. Push tempo more, feel like a lot of times we've had numbers but slow the tempo to set up an offense.
Given our TO rate and defensive implosion of late we should actually slow down the pace. Our transition D is garbage and we commit hella TOs when we push pace

3. try to go small, play no 5s so we can open up the lane and actually get some penetration.
We should definitely take our two best rebounders off the court all the time
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: mu03eng on March 05, 2020, 11:04:12 AM
4. Fire Bill Scholl

For what? He didn't hire Wojo, Bill Cords did. Bill Scholl also hired the now BECOY Meghan Duffy as the women's HC for this season. He doesn't seem to be the issue.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: swoopem on March 05, 2020, 11:08:35 AM
Have a plan for when the nation’s leading scorer gets double teamed. Crazy concept but it tends to happen
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: RIP Marquette Gyros on March 05, 2020, 11:11:18 AM
Have a plan for when the nation’s leading scorer gets double teamed. Crazy concept but it tends to happen

100% agree
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Mediocre Steve on March 05, 2020, 11:11:42 AM
For what? He didn't hire Wojo, Bill Cords did. Bill Scholl also hired the now BECOY Meghan Duffy as the women's HC for this season. He doesn't seem to be the issue.

I am just saying someone has to be accountable. If not Scholl, then Lovell. If not Lovell, then the BOT. Who is the BOT accountable to?
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Markusquette on March 05, 2020, 11:13:20 AM
This is a tough one as there aren't many major changes that can be made at this point.

1) Reign Markus in. Try to get through to him that even though his teammates are in a shooting slump, he has them. An open look for one of them is a viable option rather than dribbling into constant double teams.

2) Run more offense through Anim as opposed to McEwen.

3) Give Cain more opportunities to create and score. Even if it's a few more pull-up jumpers inside the arc.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: LAMUfan on March 05, 2020, 11:20:04 AM
RIP Marquette Gyros is a great handle, you need a friend to be your side kick and name them Cheese Sauce 
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 05, 2020, 11:38:19 AM
For what? He didn't hire Wojo, Bill Cords did. Bill Scholl also hired the now BECOY Meghan Duffy as the women's HC for this season. He doesn't seem to be the issue.

This.  I am actually intrigued with what he would do with the hire.

Interestingly enough Cords (O'neill+, Deane (-), Crean (+), Nojo (-) | Sosojo (=) | Projo (+))

So he probably has a 50% hit rate, which isnt terrible in the grand scheme of college bball.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: mu03eng on March 05, 2020, 11:41:27 AM
I am just saying someone has to be accountable. If not Scholl, then Lovell. If not Lovell, then the BOT. Who is the BOT accountable to?

Accountable for what? Lovell nor the current BOT nor the current AD hired Wojo. If you want to write a sternly worded letter to Doc Rivers for advocating for Wojo, feel free.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Mediocre Steve on March 05, 2020, 11:42:48 AM
Accountable for what? Lovell nor the current BOT nor the current AD hired Wojo. If you want to write a sternly worded letter to Doc Rivers for advocating for Wojo, feel free.

So Wojo gets to stay at Marquette forever because nobody is responsible for him? Yikes.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: SaveOD238 on March 05, 2020, 11:43:47 AM
This is a tough one as there aren't many major changes that can be made at this point.

1) Reign Markus in. Try to get through to him that even though his teammates are in a shooting slump, he has them. An open look for one of them is a viable option rather than dribbling into constant double teams. It seems like this is only a problem late in games, after repeated open misses have led Markus and Wojo to the realization that only Markus can be trusted to shoot the ball.

2) Run more offense through Anim as opposed to McEwen.

3) Give Cain more opportunities to create and score. Even if it's a few more pull-up jumpers inside the arc.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: MUfan12 on March 05, 2020, 11:51:04 AM
Cut back on the amount of high ball screens set for Markus by the bigs. It almost never results in a switch, and only brings size at him that he struggles to pass over.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: lawdog77 on March 05, 2020, 11:56:48 AM
Pick and roll with Bailey instead of a center.


IF markus is going to drive, pull up at 6. to 10 feet, like he did to get a foul on weems. he is not getting the call when he creates contact at the. rim. Most. times he shouldnt, it seens the centers are going straight up.

SJU will be pressing, make them pay. Transition 3 for Markus all day.

As an aside, (you can ignore this Jaybee) MH is shooting 45% from the field during this slide. He shot 35% last year. If anything, he should shoot more in the first half, less at the end.


Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: brewcity77 on March 05, 2020, 11:58:46 AM
1) Take Koby out of the lineup. Not just the starting lineup, but he should only get in when needed. He's been awful on offense & even if he's a better defender than some alternatives (Sy, Greg) our defense is trash right now.

2) Start Cain & Elliott over McEwen & Sacar. Let Sacar be the energy guy off the bench, but he's not deserving max minutes.

3) Slow the effing tempo. We don't turn teams over, and when we play fast, we turn it over. There are 9 teams in the kenpom top-50 that have a top-100 tempo, including us. We are 7th among those teams in offensive TO% & dead last in defensive TO%. Why would a team with a loose handle and inability to generate transition opportunities push the pace? It makes no sense. Minimize possessions, shorten the game, maximize the value of our greatest asset, the three point shot.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: BM1090 on March 05, 2020, 11:59:05 AM
Just curious to hear everyones thoughts. If you were in charge and had 3 things you could change, what would you do to get us out of this slump (aside from firing wojo because he's not leaving this year).


1. Play symir as PG. We need a better ball handler, what's the worse that could happen at this point.

2. Push tempo more, feel like a lot of times we've had numbers but slow the tempo to set up an offense. 

3. try to go small, play no 5s so we can open up the lane and actually get some penetration.

Willing to try 2 and 3. Can't do #1. He gets scored on repeatedly every time he is in the game.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Silent Verbal on March 05, 2020, 12:08:48 PM
1) Take Koby out of the lineup. Not just the starting lineup, but he should only get in when needed. He's been awful on offense & even if he's a better defender than some alternatives (Sy, Greg) our defense is trash right now.

2) Start Cain & Elliott over McEwen & Sacar. Let Sacar be the energy guy off the bench, but he's not deserving max minutes.

3) Slow the effing tempo. We don't turn teams over, and when we play fast, we turn it over. There are 9 teams in the kenpom top-50 that have a top-100 tempo, including us. We are 7th among those teams in offensive TO% & dead last in defensive TO%. Why would a team with a loose handle and inability to generate transition opportunities push the pace? It makes no sense. Minimize possessions, shorten the game, maximize the value of our greatest asset, the three point shot.

Does anyone think Koby might grad transfer, or just leave after the season like Ed did?  Based on his body language and overall struggles, he doesn’t seem to have enjoyed his time much here.  I also don’t think he likes playing with Markus, so maybe things will get better next year.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 05, 2020, 12:17:38 PM
This is a tough one as there aren't many major changes that can be made at this point.

1) Reign Markus in. Try to get through to him that even though his teammates are in a shooting slump, he has them. An open look for one of them is a viable option rather than dribbling into constant double teams.

2) Run more offense through Anim as opposed to McEwen.

3) Give Cain more opportunities to create and score. Even if it's a few more pull-up jumpers inside the arc.


Regarding option #1
I keep seeing this n im sorry but its so far from the answer.  Take the ball from the only guy on theteam that can hit a shot n give more shots to tge wide open brick layers.  Yes markus makes mistakes but his offensive efficiency dwarfs the others. 
But as an answer id go more greg n less mcewen n therefore more sacar on the ball.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: lurch91 on March 05, 2020, 12:18:47 PM
Have a plan for when the nation’s leading scorer gets double teamed. Crazy concept but it tends to happen

You mean the open guys that can't hit jump shots? 
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 05, 2020, 12:20:42 PM
Does anyone think Koby might grad transfer, or just leave after the season like Ed did?  Based on his body language and overall struggles, he doesn’t seem to have enjoyed his time much here.  I also don’t think he likes playing with Markus, so maybe things will get better next year.

I would be in favor of mcewen leaving, ive see nothing in his game that would inducate his sucking is caused by players around him.  Big strong athletic kid, horribly poorly skilled and a bball iq of a 3rd grader
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: DienerTime34 on March 05, 2020, 12:29:11 PM
I would be in favor of mcewen leaving, ive see nothing in his game that would inducate his sucking is caused by players around him.  Big strong athletic kid, horribly poorly skilled and a bball iq of a 3rd grader

The strangest part of Kobe's game are his high dribbles. Whenever he gets flustered he either travels or starts dribbling the ball hard so it gets up to his eye level. Once you start watching for it you can't unsee it.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Markusquette on March 05, 2020, 12:33:19 PM

Regarding option #1
I keep seeing this n im sorry but its so far from the answer.  Take the ball from the only guy on theteam that can hit a shot n give more shots to tge wide open brick layers.  Yes markus makes mistakes but his offensive efficiency dwarfs the others. 
But as an answer id go more greg n less mcewen n therefore more sacar on the ball.

I'm not saying you take a ton of his looks away, but he absolutely has to realize that he is going to be swarmed at the end of games. I'm simply sick of seeing Markus losing the ball in pivotal moments because he held on for too long. When he has 2 or 3 defenders around him he's not tall enough to execute great passes. Get it to someone else more quickly and if they can get it back to Markus for a decent look, that's fine. Don't try to tell me the nobody but Markus can touch the ball approach to end every single possession in close games is the answer.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Jay Bee on March 05, 2020, 12:35:28 PM
As an aside, (you can ignore this Jaybee) MH is shooting 45% from the field during this slide. He shot 35% last year. If anything, he should shoot more in the first half, less at the end.

I cannot ignore it, but will help.

Last year - last 7 games... M2N: 97.5 ORtg, 41% usage, 43.2% eFG%
This year.. last 6 games.. 113.5 Ortg, 38% usage, 55.7% eFG%

King him
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: lawdog77 on March 05, 2020, 12:36:14 PM
I cannot ignore it, but will help.

Last year - last 7 games... M2N: 97.5 ORtg, 41% usage, 43.2% eFG%
This year.. last 6 games.. 113.5 Ortg, 38% usage, 55.7% eFG%

King him
agreed
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on March 05, 2020, 12:37:28 PM
1) Take Koby out of the lineup. Not just the starting lineup, but he should only get in when needed. He's been awful on offense & even if he's a better defender than some alternatives (Sy, Greg) our defense is trash right now.

2) Start Cain & Elliott over McEwen & Sacar. Let Sacar be the energy guy off the bench, but he's not deserving max minutes.

3) Slow the effing tempo. We don't turn teams over, and when we play fast, we turn it over. There are 9 teams in the kenpom top-50 that have a top-100 tempo, including us. We are 7th among those teams in offensive TO% & dead last in defensive TO%. Why would a team with a loose handle and inability to generate transition opportunities push the pace? It makes no sense. Minimize possessions, shorten the game, maximize the value of our greatest asset, the three point shot.
#3 is freaking dead-on.  Well done.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 05, 2020, 12:43:33 PM
The strangest part of Kobe's game are his high dribbles. Whenever he gets flustered he either travels or starts dribbling the ball hard so it gets up to his eye level. Once you start watching for it you can't unsee it.

The bucket of what he does poorly is over flowing.  He rebounds n plays good defense but fouls excessively.  In fact i often rooted for that early second foul
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 05, 2020, 12:44:25 PM
I'm not saying you take a ton of his looks away, but he absolutely has to realize that he is going to be swarmed at the end of games. I'm simply sick of seeing Markus losing the ball in pivotal moments because he held on for too long. When he has 2 or 3 defenders around him he's not tall enough to execute great passes. Get it to someone else more quickly and if they can get it back to Markus for a decent look, that's fine. Don't try to tell me the nobody but Markus can touch the ball approach to end every single possession in close games is the answer.

So we are talking the last two minutes now?
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Ardmore Mug on March 05, 2020, 12:51:30 PM
3 Changes ???   Hmmmmm
1-Willie Warrior--- Head Coach
2- Mike Deane's Seat Belt  --Asst Coach
3- FKA Humalung  Asst coach

I only get 3 changes    but I figure these 3 have ALL of the answers and will get better results...  Figuring they have enough guys here to fit the rest of their staff... Keefe...Curbina....White trash...ETC...  They will have MU in the Final four every year ! ! !  Guaranteed ! ! ! Just Sayin' !!!   8-)
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 05, 2020, 12:57:45 PM
Maybe I missed it, but so far 100% of the changes people have made are to the offense.

Offense was a problem in the Creighton and Depaul games. The defense has been the problem in every game.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: lurch91 on March 05, 2020, 01:14:43 PM
Maybe I missed it, but so far 100% of the changes people have made are to the offense.

Offense was a problem in the Creighton and Depaul games. The defense has been the problem in every game.

Rarely has the defense shown up like it did in the home game versus Villanova.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: MUfan12 on March 05, 2020, 01:19:28 PM
The defense has been the problem in every game.

I've long wanted them to stop pressuring the ball 30+ feet out, but Woj won't ever change that.

Against Hall, they tried shading a help defender over when the big would hedge, which in theory I like, but Hall moved the ball so quickly and made them pay.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: TheREALwrk on March 05, 2020, 01:22:32 PM
This is a tough one as there aren't many major changes that can be made at this point.

1) Reign Markus in. Try to get through to him that even though his teammates are in a shooting slump, he has them. An open look for one of them is a viable option rather than dribbling into constant double teams.

2) Run more offense through Anim as opposed to McEwen.

3) Give Cain more opportunities to create and score. Even if it's a few more pull-up jumpers inside the arc.

WTF have you been watching?
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: lawdog77 on March 05, 2020, 01:32:15 PM
Maybe I missed it, but so far 100% of the changes people have made are to the offense.

Offense was a problem in the Creighton and Depaul games. The defense has been the problem in every game.
I was never accused of knowing the defensive side of the ball when I played in highschool. I only dunked.. My fondest memory of playing.highschool was holding a high major D1 player to 47. he would have scored 60 if there was a 3 pt line.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: 🏀 on March 05, 2020, 01:34:22 PM
I am just saying someone has to be accountable. If not Scholl, then Lovell. If not Lovell, then the BOT. Who is the BOT accountable to?

God almighty himself.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 05, 2020, 01:40:37 PM
3) Slow the effing tempo. We don't turn teams over, and when we play fast, we turn it over. There are 9 teams in the kenpom top-50 that have a top-100 tempo, including us. We are 7th among those teams in offensive TO% & dead last in defensive TO%. Why would a team with a loose handle and inability to generate transition opportunities push the pace? It makes no sense. Minimize possessions, shorten the game, maximize the value of our greatest asset, the three point shot.
This is a really good take.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 05, 2020, 01:42:07 PM
Does anyone think Koby might grad transfer, or just leave after the season like Ed did?  Based on his body language and overall struggles, he doesn’t seem to have enjoyed his time much here.  I also don’t think he likes playing with Markus, so maybe things will get better next year.


Normally I would see it, but there are so few guard options next year that I think he stays.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 05, 2020, 01:46:45 PM
I am just saying someone has to be accountable. If not Scholl, then Lovell. If not Lovell, then the BOT. Who is the BOT accountable to?

No one.  It is a self-governing entity. 
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: skianth16 on March 05, 2020, 01:47:49 PM

Normally I would see it, but there are so few guard options next year that I think he stays.

When he puts it all together, he can be a good player. But for some reason, that doesn't seem to happen often enough. Maybe it's the adjustment to the Big East, or getting used to playing with a guy like Markus, or trying to do too much to fill a gap he knew MU had. Who knows what the root cause is. It seems to me that if he could just get out of his own head, he'd be a lot more effective for us. Easier said than done, I guess.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 05, 2020, 01:51:44 PM
When he puts it all together, he can be a good player. But for some reason, that doesn't seem to happen often enough. Maybe it's the adjustment to the Big East, or getting used to playing with a guy like Markus, or trying to do too much to fill a gap he knew MU had. Who knows what the root cause is. It seems to me that if he could just get out of his own head, he'd be a lot more effective for us. Easier said than done, I guess.


There were literally people here suggesting that he would be second team All BE before the season started.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: lawdog77 on March 05, 2020, 01:57:48 PM

There were literally people here suggesting that he would be second team All BE before the season started.
He shows glimpses.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 05, 2020, 02:08:59 PM
God almighty himself.

Actually it's first the Holy Spirit. Then Jesus.  Then God. This complex hierarchy rewards forgiveness and not accountability.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: harryp on March 05, 2020, 02:18:37 PM
So, if Wojo reads this bb, who's advice should he pick from a number of conflicting suggestions?
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Markusquette on March 05, 2020, 02:27:54 PM
So we are talking the last two minutes now?

Most of the time he dribbles into double teams and loses the ball is toward the end of the game.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Big Papi on March 05, 2020, 02:36:44 PM
1. Play more zone defense.  Getting killed on penetration
2. Offensively play a more spread out isolation game
3. Pick n roll screener should be with players who can actually hit an outside shot.  Cain, Anim, Bailey or Elliott.  Not John, McEwen or Johnson.
4. McEwen is a turnover machine.  Right now he is a 3 more than a 1 or 2.  Get him off the ball completely.  Him or Anim on the court, not both at the same time.  Cain in for McEwen.
5. Bailey and Cain need to be more aggressive, driving more to the hoop.  Good things happen when they do.
6. We need more paint touches.  Cain, Bailey, Anim driving to the hoop.  Dump the ball down low to Johnson/John and look for high screen kick back outs.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: cheebs09 on March 05, 2020, 02:39:22 PM
When he puts it all together, he can be a good player. But for some reason, that doesn't seem to happen often enough. Maybe it's the adjustment to the Big East, or getting used to playing with a guy like Markus, or trying to do too much to fill a gap he knew MU had. Who knows what the root cause is. It seems to me that if he could just get out of his own head, he'd be a lot more effective for us. Easier said than done, I guess.

I’m hoping his issues stem from the brace on his right thumb. I wonder if that’s what impacts his shooting, dribbling, and why he throws some passes in the stands.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Boozemon Barro on March 05, 2020, 02:53:58 PM
The strangest part of Kobe's game are his high dribbles. Whenever he gets flustered he either travels or starts dribbling the ball hard so it gets up to his eye level. Once you start watching for it you can't unsee it.
The thing that annoys me the most about him is that when he "shoots" around the basket all he does is try to get fouled. Makes almost no attempt to actually make the shot.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 05, 2020, 03:14:00 PM

There were literally people here suggesting that he would be second team All BE before the season started.

I think one guy said “at worst” 2nd team all Big East. Would he be starting on any other Big East team?
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 05, 2020, 03:21:29 PM
He shows glimpses.

Everyone in the rotation (Koby, Sacar, Theo, BB, Jayce, Jamal, GE and Symir) other than Markus “shows glimpses”. It’s what role players/back ups do.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: WarriorFan on March 05, 2020, 06:48:13 PM
1. Bill Cords was never invited back to lead the coaching search
2.  Piano Bob
3.  Markus still wins BE POY despite the late season collapse
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: brewcity77 on March 05, 2020, 08:10:42 PM
Maybe I missed it, but so far 100% of the changes people have made are to the offense.

Offense was a problem in the Creighton and Depaul games. The defense has been the problem in every game.

Not mine. Maybe #1, but I addressed that Koby's defense isn't so outstanding that it mitigates his offense. But #2 is about roster changes that improve us on both sides of the ball and I think a slower offensive pace would help our defense because it would reduce the need to get back in transition & keep the players fresher on that end.
Title: Re: You get 3 changes
Post by: mu-rara on March 05, 2020, 08:15:22 PM
Have a plan for when the nation’s leading scorer gets double teamed. Crazy concept but it tends to happen
PLEASE!  YES