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Title: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: pacearrow02 on October 07, 2014, 08:51:04 AM
http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1460827.html?utm_content=bufferb147e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Didn't sound like he was blown away by Izzo.  But seems to be very interested in what Coach Cal has to offer with his history of producing NBA talent.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: ATLmarquettefan on October 07, 2014, 08:56:53 AM
You must be a mind reader because I don't know how you got the conclusion he's down to MU/UK from that article.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: GGGG on October 07, 2014, 08:57:24 AM
These interviews are all the same and the answers are very canned.  I don' t think you can take too much from this.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: mileskishnish72 on October 07, 2014, 08:59:58 AM
"That's something I want to do early?" Shiver.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: esotericmindguy on October 07, 2014, 09:00:12 AM
I do understand the NBA draw, obviously. But do they "produce" NBA talent? Or do NBA talent kids just stop by Kentucky for a year? SOunds like Ellenson will be in the NBA regardless of where he goes, so if that's the major draw to Kentucky I like MU's chances.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: pacearrow02 on October 07, 2014, 09:03:13 AM
These interviews are all the same and the answers are very canned.  I don' t think you can take too much from this.

He pretty much says that he does not want to be a 4 year player, which I think we all assumed but I've not seen any interview where he essentially confirms that. 
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: GGGG on October 07, 2014, 09:06:19 AM
He pretty much says that he does not want to be a 4 year player, which I think we all assumed but I've not seen any interview where he essentially confirms that. 


Yeah we assumed it because he's one of the top ranked players in his class.  And because he is interested in Kentucky.  If HE comes to MU, he won't be here four years.  My guess is two at the most - exiting when his brother does.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: Dawson Rental on October 07, 2014, 09:14:32 AM
You must be a mind reader because I don't know how you got the conclusion he's down to MU/UK from that article.

While he doesn't eliminate Michigan State with his comments, they are about as vanilla as you can get.

His comments about MU and Kentucky shed some light on what he considers the strengths of both schools.

My reading of the tea leaves is that his heart is with MU while his brain is with Kentucky.  My guess is that he goes with whichever school balances out the flip side of the equation from their strength best.  Here's hoping that Wojo's ability to develop outweighs Cal's ability to make Henry feel at home.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: Dawson Rental on October 07, 2014, 09:17:06 AM
"That's something I want to do early?" Shiver.

To me, the real shivers would come from an entire winter of the Henry Ellenson watch on Scoop.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on October 07, 2014, 09:45:44 AM
So when is "the first signing date?"
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: Nukem2 on October 07, 2014, 09:48:32 AM
So when is "the first signing date?"

Wednesday, 11/12/14....
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: Skatastrophy on October 07, 2014, 09:49:17 AM
So when is "the first signing date?"


November 12-19th is the first signing period.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: frozena pizza on October 07, 2014, 09:53:21 AM
Do kids really think that players like John Wall, Demarcus Cousins and Anthony Davis made it to the NBA quickly because they went to Kentucky?  Pretty sure they would have been one and done lottery picks no matter where they went.  They could have taken a year to play video games and smoke weed and probably would have ended up the same.  But the fact that Henry is focused on that track record makes me think he's probably going to end up at Kentucky.

By the way, the title of this thread is obnoxious.  MSU is not out of it.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: Windyplayer on October 07, 2014, 09:56:52 AM
By the way, the title of this thread is obnoxious.  MSU is not out of it.
Couldn't agree anymore. I'll cut him some slack as a newbie though.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 07, 2014, 10:03:58 AM
Can you get to medical school from Slippery Rock? Sure, but likely a little easier comin' from Harvard, aina?
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: Johnny B on October 07, 2014, 10:18:49 AM
Msu still in it.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: frozena pizza on October 07, 2014, 10:20:39 AM
Can you get to medical school from Slippery Rock? Sure, but likely a little easier comin' from Harvard, aina?

Hopefully Henry has talked to Luke Fischer about that.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 07, 2014, 10:28:09 AM
Do kids really think that players like John Wall, Demarcus Cousins and Anthony Davis made it to the NBA quickly because they went to Kentucky?  Pretty sure they would have been one and done lottery picks no matter where they went.  They could have taken a year to play video games and smoke weed and probably would have ended up the same.  But the fact that Henry is focused on that track record makes me think he's probably going to end up at Kentucky.

By the way, the title of this thread is obnoxious.  MSU is not out of it.

I would dare argue that the Kentucky system actually harms a lot of potential players as they don't have time to develop as leaders and it essentially forces them out. Obviously there are huge exceptions that you mentioned but loads have been dropped down or haven't done great. 
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: willie warrior on October 07, 2014, 10:31:05 AM
Let us know when it is down to 1--MU!. My lack of money is on the Duke of the Midwest--and that is not MSU. Love Izzo, but not right now. If he picks Calcheatucky, then he deserves the ride he gets there. But it's a free country, right? And he will definitely be getting freebies at Kentucky, even more than the NCAA permits.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: Sharpie on October 07, 2014, 10:36:43 AM
Can you get to medical school from Slippery Rock? Sure, but likely a little easier comin' from Harvard, aina?

I live right by Slippery Rock.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: Sharpie on October 07, 2014, 10:39:33 AM
Not that living by slippery rock means anything coming from me.

In regards to Ellenson, MSU is clearly not out of it since he hasn't said that. Let's respect the process. But I sure do hope he lands at MU. But can't count out any of the others just yet.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 07, 2014, 11:13:25 AM
Can you get to medical school from Slippery Rock? Sure, but likely a little easier comin' from Harvard, aina?

Hell, Noah Vonleh was a top 10 pick after a less than spectacular one year stint at a school in southern Indiana that missed all tourneys (NCAA, NIT, etc) for the 4th time in the last 6 years. If you're good (or even look like you'll become good) the NBA will find you.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: GGGG on October 07, 2014, 11:20:59 AM
I wouldn't doubt that Wojo has tried to sell HE on his experience with one-and-dones while at Duke, and how he might be able to prepare and showcase him for the NBA just as well as Cal could.  He had Jabari Parker on campus the same time to perhaps reinforce that message. 
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: frozena pizza on October 07, 2014, 11:23:58 AM
I would dare argue that the Kentucky system actually harms a lot of potential players as they don't have time to develop as leaders and it essentially forces them out. Obviously there are huge exceptions that you mentioned but loads have been dropped down or haven't done great. 

Yes, Kyle Wiltjer is probably an example of this.  Loads of talent but never really got the chance to shine at Kentucky and will be better off at Gonzaga.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: MUEng92 on October 07, 2014, 12:10:08 PM
MSU is clearly not out of it since he hasn't said that. Let's respect the process. But I sure do hope he lands at MU. But can't count out any of the others just yet.

Clearly this thread and the last few months remind me of the first time I saw the Iocaine powder scene in The Princess Bride.  I'm about ready to request some Iocaine powder if this goes on much longer.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: BCHoopster on October 07, 2014, 01:12:21 PM
Clearly this thread and the last few months remind me of the first time I saw the Iocaine powder scene in The Princess Bride.  I'm about ready to request some Iocaine powder if this goes on much longer.

Kentucky has 2 teams of HS All-Americans, so in saying that, lets see, 3 or 4 will go pro and that stills leaves 6 coming back and at least 3 or 4 coming in, so if he wants 20-25 minutes as
a freshman with not much competition he gets that at MU.  Taylor is the only other 4, and not sure what he brings to the table yet, but I must admit, he better get ready to play 30-35
most of this year.  This is why most of the Top 20 kids wait till spring to make a decision, they want to see who goes pro.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: Groin_pull on October 07, 2014, 01:53:26 PM
Ellenson may very well select UK, but he better be pretty darn sure he's a one-and-done. If he ends up returning for his sophomore year, there's a good chance he'll be pushed aside by Cal's next wave of incoming freshmen superstars.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: bilsu on October 07, 2014, 02:12:47 PM
I think, if he sees himself as a two year player he will decide to play with his brother. One and done is iffy. He also said he would like to sign in the early signing period, but he does not know when he will sign. That could be an indication that he will wait to spring.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: BCHoopster on October 07, 2014, 02:21:29 PM
I think, if he sees himself as a two year player he will decide to play with his brother. One and done is iffy. He also said he would like to sign in the early signing period, but he does not know when he will sign. That could be an indication that he will wait to spring.

If he waits till spring, MU is in trouble.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: Groin_pull on October 07, 2014, 02:24:56 PM
If he waits till spring, MU is in trouble.

Yup.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 07, 2014, 02:57:13 PM
I think, if he sees himself as a two year player he will decide to play with his brother. One and done is iffy. He also said he would like to sign in the early signing period, but he does not know when he will sign. That could be an indication that he will wait to spring.

I read that as he is signing in November. He just doesn't know when he will make his decision between now and then.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 07, 2014, 03:01:41 PM
My reading of the tea leaves is that his heart is with MU while his brain is with Kentucky.  My guess is that he goes with whichever school balances out the flip side of the equation from their strength best.  Here's hoping that Wojo's ability to develop outweighs Cal's ability to make Henry feel at home.

I think there is some truth to this. Kentucky can offer HE a lot of things that Marquette can't/won't (and shouldn't IMHO). But from what I have heard from talking with people who have been talking with Henry, I think the heart wins out. At risk of being called creepy, look at his twitter account. His description reads "FAMILY 1ST . More than a game . Give God Glory."
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 07, 2014, 07:36:35 PM
Thought Crean made Wade into everythin' he is, hey?
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: 77ncaachamps on October 07, 2014, 08:25:17 PM
Zagoria just posted:

http://zagsblog.com/marquette/ellenson-enjoys-marquette-kentucky-up-next/
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: NotAnAlum on October 07, 2014, 08:34:08 PM
He also said he would like to sign in the early signing period, but he does not know when he will sign. That could be an indication that he will wait to spring.

Geez he hasn't even been to Kentucky yet.  Of course he's going to say he doesn't know where he is going to sign even if he already does.  Guys, he is going to visit Kentucky and after that he is going to decide for good, in the early signing period before his HS season starts.  This makes absolutely so much sense.  I don't know how you guys can interpret it any other way.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: Texas Western on October 07, 2014, 11:25:21 PM
http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1460827.html?utm_content=bufferb147e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Didn't sound like he was blown away by Izzo.  But seems to be very interested in what Coach Cal has to offer with his history of producing NBA talent.
Wojo needs to treat Duane a bit better if he is going to sign Ellenson.  Kids pick up on a bad vibe easily.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on October 08, 2014, 12:53:59 AM
Thought Crean made Wade into everythin' he is, hey?

Just helped a lot....per Mr. Dwayne Wade
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: MU82 on October 08, 2014, 01:08:04 AM
Ellenson may very well select UK, but he better be pretty darn sure he's a one-and-done. If he ends up returning for his sophomore year, there's a good chance he'll be pushed aside by Cal's next wave of incoming freshmen superstars.

Yep, just as the Harrisons are about to be pushed aside by this season's freshmen.

If Ellenson really is elite, he'll be able to get PT even if he slums it by staying for his soph season.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 08, 2014, 09:07:46 AM
Not sure if it is relevant but Doral Moore just commited to Wake Forest. Kid was considered a Kentucky lean for a long time. But I don't think he had a "true" scholarship offer. This means that Kentucky is no longer favored to land anybody in 2015 who's taller than 6-8. Obviously subject to change. But if this holds, and Henry went to UK, he would be their tallest recruit. Good for him in that he would probably get playing time, bad because it would probably be at the 5.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: GGGG on October 08, 2014, 10:07:35 AM
Yep, just as the Harrisons are about to be pushed aside by this season's freshmen.


I don't think that is going to happen.  The Harrisons are better than any recruit they are bringing in.

Regardless, Alex Prothress is an example of someone who doesn't meet expectations, sticks around, but still gets playing time and may start this year.  Let's not act like Cal just dumps these guys or nails them to the bench.  If it takes them a couple years to develop and are good enough to contribute, they will still get playing time.

If Ellenson doesn't choose UK, it won't be because he doesn't think he is good enough to compete.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 08, 2014, 11:09:03 AM

I don't think that is going to happen.  The Harrisons are better than any recruit they are bringing in.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's what MU82 was getting at
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: JakeBarnes on October 08, 2014, 11:18:40 AM
Wojo needs to treat Duane a bit better if he is going to sign Ellenson.  Kids pick up on a bad vibe easily.

Have there been reports he hasn't been treating Duane well?
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky
Post by: martyconlonontherun on October 08, 2014, 12:25:31 PM
Do kids really think that players like John Wall, Demarcus Cousins and Anthony Davis made it to the NBA quickly because they went to Kentucky?  Pretty sure they would have been one and done lottery picks no matter where they went.  They could have taken a year to play video games and smoke weed and probably would have ended up the same.  

No, but they are guaranteed way more exposure. You are more likely to get hyped up as a number 1 or 2 pick on a team in the Top 5 than some random school. (I know Kentucky has been hit or miss but they have definitely hit a lot more than MU). Also, that exposure and connects will make you more marketable with shoe companies and common fans. If I was a top 3 player, I would go to Kentucky unless something else was swaying me.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: Windyplayer on October 08, 2014, 01:01:38 PM
Just helped a lot....per Mr. Dwayne Wade
I have no doubt that he helped Wade become a better person, more charismatic, etc. through his perpetual used car salesman pitches, but I highly doubt he played much of a role in his development as a player. I'd venture to say the assistants were responsible for that. Xs & Os and player development don't seem to be his thing. He's more of an entertainer--which is important as a HC in college basketball, but only a part of being a successful coach.

I realize if you love someone as much as you love Crean, he'll always be defensible, but setting emotions aside, the dude just can't bring a team to prominence and sustain it. A red flag at any D-1 powerhouse.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: MU82 on October 08, 2014, 10:32:22 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's what MU82 was getting at

You're not wrong.

Didn't think I needed teal.
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: mu03eng on October 10, 2014, 07:59:38 AM
Wojo needs to treat Duane a bit better if he is going to sign Ellenson.  Kids pick up on a bad vibe easily.

Texas, did you see this quote in Paint Touches article...any response?

“(The) transition has been very great for me. Wojo has done a great job of building a relationship with me, and then also the assistants we have, it’s a great relationship,” he said. “I feel like I’m around the best (assistants) in the country at playing my position. Coach Wojo coached the best with USA, so I feel like I’m around the best right now.”
Title: Re: Down to MU/Kentucky?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on October 10, 2014, 08:15:52 AM
I have no doubt that he helped Wade become a better person, more charismatic, etc. through his perpetual used car salesman pitches, but I highly doubt he played much of a role in his development as a player. I'd venture to say the assistants were responsible for that. Xs & Os and player development don't seem to be his thing. He's more of an entertainer--which is important as a HC in college basketball, but only a part of being a successful coach.

I realize if you love someone as much as you love Crean, he'll always be defensible, but setting emotions aside, the dude just can't bring a team to prominence and sustain it. A red flag at any D-1 powerhouse.

I don't love him, don't even like him.  In terms of his development, again you aren't paying attention to the most important person in the equation and what he says...Mr. Wade.  Not sure why, but based on the rest of your post it is pretty obvious.