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Well, Crash, all I'll say is that my daughter got her MBA from a program nowhere near the top 20 and it has helped her career.As usual, generalizations always suck.
Mike,Generalizations, such as your comment above, are almost always indicative of reality.Let's try this: Imagine your daughter's career trajectory if she had a degree from Wharton.There are always exceptions to every rule.
I can imagine a lot of things, including if she were born into money instead of being my kid, if she were an award-winning actress, or if she were a 6-foot-9 man with Kevin Durant's ability. It's a silly exercise. She's doing great without the silver-spoon childhood, the acting ability, Durant's height (and gender), and the Wharton degree.
I think you are,missing the point there mike. Crash never said your daughter was a piece of schmit or anything. She is probably doing as well as she wanted to do and that’s cool. However, what he is saying is, if she or anyone else for that matter, got their MBA from a top 20 or better, bigger and better opportunity would have fallen into their laps by default. Whether or not said person decides to follow those bigger and better opportunities is up to them of course. Let’s say your daughter had aspirations to working for an Eli-Lilly or Procter & gamble as a “big dog”. Now compare MBA’s from st. Norbert’s and Stanford and...now, as you’ve stated, she’s doing very well and is content with where she is with her MBA from something short of the big 20-you as her father should be very proud
I have said it here before: getting an MBA from anything less than the top 20 program is a waste of time . An MBA should be a differentiating credential. An MBA from Saint Norbert’s has little more value than one from the University of Phoenix. Instead, get a masters in a discipline which bolsters ine’s credentials as a subject matter expert in a particular field (ie Biology, chemistry, physics, etc. )An MBA from a UW Whitewater, for instance, Is unlikely to open the big career doors. An MBA from a Michigan or a Stanford is a very different story .
Actually, what Crash said was: "getting an MBA from anything less than the top 20 program is a waste of time"Based on personal experience, not just with my daughter but with CEOs and other "important folks" that I know, I happen to disagree strongly that an MBA from the 21st-best or 100th-best program is automatically a "waste of time."If he had made an argument similar to yours -- that my daughter might have gotten better opportunities with an MBA from Wharton -- I wouldn't disagree with that. But that's not what Crash said. He said a degree from any non-Wharton-ish institution is a "waste of time." He's obviously wrong, as every CEO of every major corporation, every high-level politician, every university president, etc, did not come from a top-20 MBA program. The programs they went through obviously were not "a waste of time."I like Crash, we agree on much and we have had many friendly conversations, and I probably should have said all I had to say in a PM to him. But when you come out with an easily disproven generalization worded as strongly as his comment was, you have to expect some blowback.
I have no idea about the entertainment industry but last I checked Barbara Streisand, Robert DeNiro, Mark Ruffalo, et al last walked across the stage as high school students (which might explain their insipid pronouncements on actual current events...)
Actually, what Crash said was: "getting an MBA from anything less than the top 20 program is a waste of time"Based on personal experience, not just with my daughter but with CEOs and other "important folks" that I know, I happen to disagree strongly that an MBA from the 21st-best or 100th-best program is automatically a "waste of time."
Brother David, I totally disagree. I have an undergrad from Marquette in Journalism and an MBA from Loyola Chicago (aka The University of Sister Jean). My Loyola MBA made an incredible difference. Loyola is very good but not Top 20. Without the MBA laid atop my skills and network, No way I’d be where I am.Perhaps where we agree is than an MBA from a run of the mill school is not going to change someone’s fortunes who has no experience or no network. If you are doing an MBA only for a credential, maybe we are more in agreement than I’d admit.
Good point. Your pronouncements on current events, by contrast, have been dead on. (Now that North Korea’s no longer a threat, mullahs up next, eh?)
One does not need a Top 20 MBA but having one most certainly increases the likelihood of career advancement.
I know several senior execs at MSFT, Amazon, and Starbucks who never set foot on a college campus, much less were matriculated from one.Different industries have unique requirements which establish competence for operational staff. 1's and 0's tech is characterized by coding academy grads more than degree holders from legitimate traditional 4-year colleges. The power generation world requires advanced engineering degrees (unless one is on the SCADA side.) I have no idea about the entertainment industry but last I checked Barbara Streisand, Robert DeNiro, Mark Ruffalo, et al last walked across the stage as high school students (which might explain their insipid pronouncements on actual current events...)
Any more insights on what the 4th RTBn is all about? I mean, I know the closest you got to Ranger training was standing outside the gate at Benning but you speak out as if you actually know what the f#ck it's about.Better yet, what are your thoughts on the tactical doctrine which characterizes Ranger-TACP operations in the SWA AOR? After all, you did deploy, right?
so much for me trying to keep you from cutting yourself again
I was not aware of this. It is actually breathtaking when you think about it.In the case of MU, it does need to keep up with the Joneses (BC, Holy Cross, SLU, Fordham, GU) if it wishes to remain in the top tier of Jesuit colleges. Presently, these peer institutions have significantly larger endopwments. Factor in Marquette;'s size and the disparity becomes even greater.
If you're talking about leaving a steady job for two years to go back to school for a full time MBA program, I not only agree, but would say you're being extremely generous when you say it's worth it only for a top 20 program. I would argue it's only worth it for top 10, maybe top 12-15 if you're being extremely generous, but I don't even think it's worth it at the 12-15 raking range.That said, I completely disagree that getting a part time MBA from any local university is a waste of time and effort, especially if your employer is willing to pick up some of the tab. There is an intrinsic value to the education that can only help and I've even read articles on Poets and Quants.com of all places, which only caters to students applying to the most elite B schools, that says research indicates that MBA's can be tremendously helpful in one's career, regardless of the institution granting it. Not everyone wants to go into Investment Banking or work at McKinsey and it's absoultely true that no one that doesn't hold a blue chip credential could even get an interview, much less a full time job at a place like that, but most people don't work at those firms or aspire to a high finance job in New York, London, Hong Kong or Singapore and their ilk. From everything I've read, MU's part time MBA program is thriving. Again I would never encourage anyone to quit their job and go to MU for a Full Time MBA, that would be a waste of time in my view, and you're not going to impress anyone at Goldman Sachs but if you're a local professional in the greater MKE area or Chicago, and just want to increase your chances of further advancement where you are, I have no doubt that a Marquette MBA will pay dividends down road.
Whether teal or not, I have no idea what this means.
the teal implies that my statement was meant to be light hearted. the statement itself is an assumption that you deal with issues by "self-harming" yourself, especially when dealing with negativity or pressure to perform.