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Last 12
« on: January 15, 2023, 09:29:26 PM »
10 and 2?

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Re: Last 12
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2023, 09:37:20 PM »
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Re: Last 12
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2023, 10:16:30 PM »
10 and 2?

Haha no way.

8 and 4 would be really nice.

That'd put them at 22-9, 14-6 and probably a 5 seed.
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Re: Last 12
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2023, 04:55:37 AM »
I would like to see us win the BET for once.

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Re: Last 12
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2023, 06:37:45 AM »
10 and 2?

I'd go 10-2. I think we win one we aren't supposed to win (at UConn, at Creighton) but also lose one we aren't supposed to lose (at Seton Hall or Butler, possibly X at home seem most likely). 16-4 and share the Big East title with Xavier.
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Re: Last 12
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2023, 06:42:56 AM »
9-3

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Re: Last 12
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2023, 07:38:40 AM »
9 - 3

At UConn
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2023, 08:23:09 AM »
I'd go 10-2. I think we win one we aren't supposed to win (at UConn, at Creighton) but also lose one we aren't supposed to lose (at Seton Hall or Butler, possibly X at home seem most likely). 16-4 and share the Big East title with Xavier.
You think we will be favored (ie not supposed to lose) to X at home?

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Re: Last 12
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2023, 08:25:45 AM »
I think they need to get 8 as fast as they can and go from there. They need to win a minimum of 8 more and the sooner it happens the better it is for seeding in March.

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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2023, 08:35:59 AM »
I need to be shown.     I am worried about fatigue, hitting the wall, and injuries.   Even more, in the Xavier game, I saw the template I have been expecting all year.   Packing it in, taking away driving angles, sending three to the offensive boards.   These were among the things done last February after MU's magical January.   
Which teams have the personnel to  replicate this?

Last year, teams took away the lobs to Kur and Oso and dared Kolek to score.    MU ran more iso with Morsell and Justin.   The ball movement slowed.     This year, there isn't anyone to run iso for.   Will the ball movement be sustainable?   Will the team start settling for one-pass 3's?

The three point shooters went cold last year.   Will MU get enough from the bench to keep the starters from wearing down?

I enjoy this team immensely.    I think they have been superb.    I need to see that they have enough to make the adjustments and endure the grind.

8-4, mostly because I am not impressed by the bottom of the league. 
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2023, 08:48:19 AM »
What I don't get is that Sean Miller obviously had seen Marquette numerous times and has people on his staff whose job it is to break down video. So kudos for him for his halftime adjustments ... but it seems odd that he wouldn't have been prepared for what Marquette did in the first half.

So what's the right strategy? Daring Kolek to score -- which he did at will in the first half -- or taking away Kolek scoring at the risk of leaving Kam Jones open? Kam hits a couple more 3s, and we're patting ourselves on the back for our heroes' gritty road win. Indeed, excellent 3-point shooting in the second half of several games propelled us to quite a few wins this season, including UConn. We didn't even need excellent 3-point shooting yesterday, just not bad shooting. We couldn't hit a freakin' shot, and yet we lost by only 4 points on the road against a soon-to-be top-10 team.

I predicted a 92-85 MU win. We were on track at halftime, up 48-44. We make 3 or 4 wide-open 3s in the second half instead of 1 and O-Max makes that layup, we're pretty close. Now, that didn't happen and I'm not trying to re-write history. I'm just stating why I'm not too concerned about the opponents' strategy against us. The games are still winnable no matter what their plans are.
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Re: Last 12
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2023, 08:55:16 AM »
I would like to see us win the BET for once.
I would like to see us win A GAME in the BET for once

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Re: Last 12
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2023, 09:00:56 AM »
I would like to see us win A GAME in the BET for once

Amen - the Friday nite semis of the Big East tournament is one of the best nites of college basketball and I want Marquette to finally be in one of those games.

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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2023, 09:10:04 AM »
I think Tower's concerns are legitimate, but I think between a weaker BE, guys getting experience, and the way the offense is being executed my hope is that this is more sustainable than last year. They're not riding a hot streak from three, or a fifth year guard scoring at a level he never had before in the college game.

Even with the adjustments MU still got a bunch of easy buckets in the second half, it was the 1-12 from three that did them in.

It sounds crazy but I really think if they win the next two games they are the favorite to win the conference. Two more physical games to round out 4 in 10 days, then a much needed week off. Survive these two, get rested, and refocus for the stretch run.

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Re: Last 12
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2023, 09:11:07 AM »
I’d say 9 - 3 or 8 - 4 …

But, yes …. We will know that we have really “ changed “ when MU wins a
BET game AND NCAAT game !
( both of which are needed ) #pray

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Re: Last 12
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2023, 09:13:52 AM »
I need to be shown.     I am worried about fatigue, hitting the wall, and injuries.   Even more, in the Xavier game, I saw the template I have been expecting all year.   Packing it in, taking away driving angles, sending three to the offensive boards.   These were among the things done last February after MU's magical January.   
Which teams have the personnel to  replicate this?

Last year, teams took away the lobs to Kur and Oso and dared Kolek to score.    MU ran more iso with Morsell and Justin.   The ball movement slowed.     This year, there isn't anyone to run iso for.   Will the ball movement be sustainable?   Will the team start settling for one-pass 3's?

The three point shooters went cold last year.   Will MU get enough from the bench to keep the starters from wearing down?

I enjoy this team immensely.    I think they have been superb.    I need to see that they have enough to make the adjustments and endure the grind.

8-4, mostly because I am not impressed by the bottom of the league.

Spending too much time on Dodds board?  8-)  I think you are overstating the impact of Sean Miller's adjustments yesterday.  The below take is more on point, and I would add that the ball largely bounced Xavier's way yesterday.

What I don't get is that Sean Miller obviously had seen Marquette numerous times and has people on his staff whose job it is to break down video. So kudos for him for his halftime adjustments ... but it seems odd that he wouldn't have been prepared for what Marquette did in the first half.

So what's the right strategy? Daring Kolek to score -- which he did at will in the first half -- or taking away Kolek scoring at the risk of leaving Kam Jones open? Kam hits a couple more 3s, and we're patting ourselves on the back for our heroes' gritty road win. Indeed, excellent 3-point shooting in the second half of several games propelled us to quite a few wins this season, including UConn. We didn't even need excellent 3-point shooting yesterday, just not bad shooting. We couldn't hit a freakin' shot, and yet we lost by only 4 points on the road against a soon-to-be top-10 team.

I predicted a 92-85 MU win. We were on track at halftime, up 48-44. We make 3 or 4 wide-open 3s in the second half instead of 1 and O-Max makes that layup, we're pretty close. Now, that didn't happen and I'm not trying to re-write history. I'm just stating why I'm not too concerned about the opponents' strategy against us. The games are still winnable no matter what their plans are.

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Re: Last 12
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2023, 09:25:32 AM »
You think we will be favored (ie not supposed to lose) to X at home?

Without question. There isn't a team in the Big East that would be favored on our court right now.
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2023, 09:32:28 AM »
Spending too much time on Dodds board?  8-)  I think you are overstating the impact of Sean Miller's adjustments yesterday.  The below take is more on point, and I would add that the ball largely bounced Xavier's way yesterday.

I try to get multiple perspectives on most things.  I ponder it and disregard what I consider crap.    Bottom line for me is that MU lost a road game to a ranked team.   It was a slugfest tied in the last minute and X made the shot they needed to plus their free throws.     Good team, exciting game.
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2023, 09:44:24 AM »
I try to get multiple perspectives on most things.  I ponder it and disregard what I consider crap.    Bottom line for me is that MU lost a road game to a ranked team.   It was a slugfest tied in the last minute and X made the shot they needed to plus their free throws.     Good team, exciting game.
Rooting for a bounce back on  Wednesday.

After our loss to PC at PC last season the team went into a tail spin. We will see what were made of on Wednesday. Let's hope the zebras call the same game they did at PC only this time in our favor.

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Re: Last 12
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2023, 09:51:18 AM »
10 - 2 seems doable. So probably 9 - 3 is more realistic because that just seems to be the way things go. At UConn, at Creighton, and some deplorable group screwup.

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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2023, 09:52:13 AM »
I’d say 9 - 3 or 8 - 4 …

But, yes …. We will know that we have really “ changed “ when MU wins a
BET game AND NCAAT game !
( both of which are needed ) #pray

I'd love to go 10-2 or 9-3 but that's pretty outrageous to ask for.

They have to play at Creighton and at UConn.  They have Xavier and Providence yet at home.  They'll probably drop a game or 2 that is a real head scratcher.  Every team does.

Even the 3 amigos in 08-09 lost at South Florida who was in last place.  They did that while they were 21-2.

8-4 would be solid. Anything higher is laughably good.
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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2023, 09:55:18 AM »
10-2.

I think they win 2 this week. Then there are 3 straight home games against middle to bottom teams (DePaul will be a home game--lots of nice seats available still for that game, so make it so). @Uconn and @creighton are the two I think might be the losses for me. But see a pathway for those to be wins too. Still think we take X at home.
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Re: Last 12
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2023, 09:56:06 AM »
Amen - the Friday nite semis of the Big East tournament is one of the best nites of college basketball and I want Marquette to finally be in one of those games.

That ridiculous game vs Seton Hall was in the 2019 semis. Let’s hope our next Friday night appearance goes nothing like that one!

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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2023, 10:03:58 AM »
I would like to see us win A GAME in the BET for once

It feels like decades since we won a BET game.
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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2023, 10:06:33 AM »
That ridiculous game vs Seton Hall was in the 2019 semis. Let’s hope our next Friday night appearance goes nothing like that one!

Good catch - I must’ve blocked that travesty from my memory.  😊

Unfortunately, that appearance in the semis has been the exception rather than the norm.