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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: tower912 on June 06, 2012, 02:00:05 PM
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We've established we have hardcore fishermen. Are there any other hardcore golfers out there? Handicaps, cool courses played, equipment, low scores? I confess to not caring a bit about fishing but being a golf nut. Upper 70's shooter. Mostly Ping equipment.
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Not a very good golfer presently, don't have the time with school. Somehow shot a 42 drunk on the back nine on Memorial weekend though. Nike Clubs. Just bought a Callaway Razr Hawk 10.5 driver, though I may want to sell it soon.
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Slowly improving... usually in the 85-92 range, depending on the day. If I could keep my driver in the fairway, I'd score a lot better.
Old ass clubs, but can't afford to get new ones.
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Not a very good golfer presently, don't have the time with school. Somehow shot a 42 drunk on the back nine on Memorial weekend though. Nike Clubs. Just bought a Callaway Razr Hawk 10.5 driver, though I may want to sell it soon.
Why the dislike on the Callaway? I thought about giving it a test drive to see if i wanted to upgrade from my old Taylor Made.
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I hit the Razr Hawk last summer before getting the Ping G15. For me, it didn't have the distance and carry. I bought the Ping because for me it was idiot proof. Put a decent swing on it and watch it go. I felt like I had to be perfect with the Callaway. My next purchase will probably by a G20 fairway wood. My current fairway wood is like a wife with PMS. If I do everything perfect, I can hit a decent shot. If anything is less than perfect, there is absolutely no forgiveness. I have hit the G20 a couple of times and it is forgiving like a new girlfriend with low self esteem.
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There's actually nothing wrong with it, used it twice. Smooth, has the traditional head which I like, not the huge bulky heads. Distance was a concern so I went with a 9.5 actually, to increase distance but I don't have the ball striking to have a non forgiving club.
Plus I'm starting my new job soon and am moving so I'm cash strapped until I start in August. Not sure if I want to keep it.
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We've established we have hardcore fishermen. Are there any other hardcore golfers out there? Handicaps, cool courses played, equipment, low scores? I confess to not caring a bit about fishing but being a golf nut. Upper 70's shooter. Mostly Ping equipment.
Yeah, me too. If it gets any warmer I stay home and drink.
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I really enjoy golf, but don't play often enough to actually get my score down, so I generally shoot high 90s- low 100s.
We have a group of 12 guys (mostly Marquette grads) that play a 2 day handicapped mini-tournament at Sentry World in the fall. A day of golf, followed by a night of heavy drinking, followed by another day of golfing makes for a great weekend.
Some of the courses I've really enjoyed:
The Bull - Sheboygan, WI - the 50-50 deal is awesome w/ a free unrestricted round
Sentry World - Steven's Point, WI
Threetops - Gaylord, MI - challenging Par 3 course designed by Rick Smith
Redtail - Crystal Lake, IL
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Old Titleist DCI irons, and Vokey wedges that I have trusted forever, along with an old school Cleavland Launcher that I seem to be able to hit further than anything new that comes out. Scotty Cameron TeI3 putter, 33".
Live out in the Boston area, where the public golf is crape, but the wife is from Bethpage, NY so I sneak the clubs into the whip every time visit the in laws to go play the Black or the Red.
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Mid-80's on a good day... A mix of Adams Driver, Exotics Woods / Hybrids, Callaway Irons, Cleveland Wedges. Have not played too many "cool" course - Erin Hills, University Ridge (my feet burned on the grass), Sentry, various vacation courses in Mexico, Hilton Head, Trent Jones in AL, Floria, etc...
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4 handicap. Love to play competitive golf, but also like to play casual games with buddies.
New G-20 driver, Taylormade RZB 3 and 5 woods, Ping G-20 irons (just replaced my Callaway X's), three Vokey wedges, Cameron Del Mar putter, Titliest Pro V1 balls.
Great thing about golf is that with handicaps (without sandbagging), the playing field is level for all sorts of games. I usually don't get any strokes, but don't mind giving them up when we play games.
My favorite course is Oakmont Country Club, where I play once a year in August, just an historical layout with greens that are UNREAL. Then the Mountain Course at LaQuinta, just an awesome track. I have played Pebble, Bethpage Black, Pinehurst #2, Seminole, Torrey Pines, and other major places, but those two stick out, especially Oakmont.
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Former avid and competitive golfer. Cannot wait until the time and money to play everyday. The Straits is my favorite local course but prefer old courses. Big Donald Ross fan.
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Former avid and competitive golfer. Cannot wait until the time and money to play everyday. The Straits is my favorite local course but prefer old courses. Big Donald Ross fan.
Goose - Avid & competitor golfer - maybe I should cut you some slack then....
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Going to Whistling Straights with my girlfriends dad, this should be interesting :(
He's won tournaments with his late father, and wants to take me there. Needless to say I don't play as much as him, and i'm in fear of embarrassing myself. i can hold my own on an average course,(high 70's low 80's) but when the man shells out $350 per player plus $160 for a manditory caddy, I feel i'm in over my head here.
Advice?
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Straits is off the charts hard if you do notlay often. I always play it as 18 different holes for score because too many big number holes out there. You will love it and just focus on your good holes.
Madtown
No slack needed.
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Going to Whistling Straights with my girlfriends dad, this should be interesting :(
He's won tournaments with his late father, and wants to take me there. Needless to say I don't play as much as him, and i'm in fear of embarrassing myself. i can hold my own on an average course,(high 70's low 80's) but when the man shells out $350 per player plus $160 for a manditory caddy, I feel i'm in over my head here.
Advice?
1) You shoot low 80's, you are more than capable. FYI, average handicap of golfers in US is 19.
2) Play the tees according to your handicap, if he wants to play the tips, let him do it, you play the middle tees. Whistling Straits is just a beast and if he plays the tips, good for him. I bet he doesn't break 85 from tips, even for a stratch golfer.
3) Listen to your caddie.
4) You are not over your head and never be embarrassed. Be pleased you have the opportunity to play the course and got invited. Enjoy the day, surroundings, the fact the PGA was played there and enjoy.
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Played for my HS team and probably could have played in college somewhere. Used to be a single digit handicap. Unfortunately, a baby and a pretty demanding job mean that I don't get out and play more than 3-4 times per year anymore.
Shot an 83 on the General at Eagle Ridge in Galena a couple years ago, best round on a good course in a while. Can shoot in the low 80s on just about any random dogtrack course on any given day...but could also just as easily shoot a 95.
Still play my set of original King Cobra Oversize irons I got in 1995. Cleveland wedges, Ping Sedona i putter, King Cobra 480 SZ driver.
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Going to Whistling Straights with my girlfriends dad, this should be interesting :(
He's won tournaments with his late father, and wants to take me there. Needless to say I don't play as much as him, and i'm in fear of embarrassing myself. i can hold my own on an average course,(high 70's low 80's) but when the man shells out $350 per player plus $160 for a manditory caddy, I feel i'm in over my head here.
Advice?
Don't knock up your gf before your round. He won't want to take you.
I'm about a 12, Callaway X-20 irons, Taylormade Burner Driver, 4 wedges.
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Ping G15 Driver, Tour Exotics 3 wood, Callaway Heavenwood Hybrids, Ping i10 irons. Nicest course I've played is probably Arcadia Bluffs, which is almost straight across the lake from Whistling Straits, 78 from the tips. October and they were boasting about the greens rolling at 13 on the stimp. I've shot a couple of 66's on a local 6000 yard goat track. Lowest on a tougher course is a 68. 76 on The Bear at Grand Traverse resort. I've played lots of the northern Michigan resort courses. Treetops is nice, Threetops is a hoot, but for pure golf challenge, I recommend Garland. It gets less hype because it is truly in the middle of nowhere with nothing around it, but if you want to just sit out in the middle of the northwoods and do nothing but golf and enjoy nature, it is tough to beat.
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I am around a 12 handicap. Don't get out as much as I want even though the Univ. of Minnesota course is 2 blocks from my house. I still use my clubs I bought in 1989....Ricque handmade in Livonia, Michigan. I always think about what I could shoot with more "modern" clubs.
Spring Hill CC in Wayzata, MN.....good buddy is the Executive Chef there and get to play free every Monday.
Lake Michigan Hills North of Benton Harbor, Mi is a very good course.
Point O' Woods CC just North of Benton Harbor, MI is an unbelievably good course.
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Going to Whistling Straights with my girlfriends dad, this should be interesting :(
He's won tournaments with his late father, and wants to take me there. Needless to say I don't play as much as him, and i'm in fear of embarrassing myself. i can hold my own on an average course,(high 70's low 80's) but when the man shells out $350 per player plus $160 for a manditory caddy, I feel i'm in over my head here.
Advice?
Dress nice, play fast, don't act like Spalding, don't drink more than he does, don't swear more than he does. If you shoot 100, nobody is going to care. Just don't piss and moan about it and don't read from 3 different angles putts for a 9. He won't care what you shoot. What he will care about is how you handle yourself.
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What he will care about is how you handle yourself.
Handling yourself to me also means do not slow them down......very good advice from Tower.
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Dress nice, play fast, don't act like Spalding, don't drink more than he does, don't swear more than he does. If you shoot 100, nobody is going to care. Just don't piss and moan about it and don't read from 3 different angles putts for a 9. He won't care what you shoot. What he will care about is how you handle yourself.
I want a hamburger, no wait, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog, I want a milk shake
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Mid-80's on a good day... A mix of Adams Driver, Exotics Woods / Hybrids, Callaway Irons, Cleveland Wedges. Have not played too many "cool" course - Erin Hills, University Ridge (my feet burned on the grass), Sentry, various vacation courses in Mexico, Hilton Head, Trent Jones in AL, Floria, etc...
Was Erin Hills as tough in person as it looked on TV during the Amateur?
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About a 12. Twice as high as when I graduated MU in 2002. :(
Favorite course is the General at Eagles Ridge, shot a 75 in my only round on the course. (Back when I was good.)
Ping I3s split set: 2-5 Osize, 6-pw blade
Cleveland Hi-bore XLS
Callaway Steelhead plus 4+
Cobra Trusty Rusty Wedges (51,55,59)
Scotty Cameron Catalina Two "Oilcan" that I took the finish off of with Coke.
Man, just typing all that stuff makes me realize how old my clubs are.
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I average 22 putts/round.
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Going to Whistling Straights with my girlfriends dad, this should be interesting :(
He's won tournaments with his late father, and wants to take me there. Needless to say I don't play as much as him, and i'm in fear of embarrassing myself. i can hold my own on an average course,(high 70's low 80's) but when the man shells out $350 per player plus $160 for a manditory caddy, I feel i'm in over my head here.
Advice?
How deep are you in with the chick?
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F*ckin once made a bird at Congo River.
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F*ckin once made a bird at Congo River.
RIP, damn Honda dealership.
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How deep are you in with the chick?
Balls deep.
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Balls deep.
^What he said!
Thanks for the advice gentleman, it's greatly appreciated!
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for those of us who really are hackers, what does it mean to say that a club is "forgiving"? Does it differ from irons to drivers/woods? Thanks.
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for those of us who really are hackers, what does it mean to say that a club is "forgiving"? Does it differ from irons to drivers/woods? Thanks.
Just means you have room for error. With the larger drivers, there is a bigger face with more surface area so there is more area to make solid contact and hit a good shot. Thats part of the bigger head as well, to balance it all out. Irons, you see it a bit, as cavity/oversized irons are more forgiving that the old blade irons. But irons are generally easier to hit that a wood, so its not as severe.
I don't play enough to know what I am handicap wise. I was an 8-9 back in HS when I played alot (though still not near enough to play on a HS team that contended for state championships every year), but Ive added probably 40 yds to my drives and 20-25 yds to my irons since then, so my game is alot different now as a result. If I play more, get my short game back to where it used to be, I could get probably get really good again.
I echo the compliments of Sentry World, what an unexpectedly awesome course. Love Blackwolf, especially the River course. My favorite course around Milwaukee is probably Milwaukee CC, just a gorgeous setting and a fun course to play (though I realize its not super easy to play). My dad loves Washington County out in Hartford, but that course always pisses me off.
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for those of us who really are hackers, what does it mean to say that a club is "forgiving"? Does it differ from irons to drivers/woods? Thanks.
And to take it one step further, forgiving also means that the clubs make it easier to get the ball airborne. Clubmakes do this by strategically placing weight in the head of the club, usually lower. If you are a player who chronically slices, you can buy clubs with increased offset (as you look down the at the club, it looks like the face of the club is set back and not flush with the shaft) and by placing more weight toward the heel (helps the face rotate faster to a square or closed position). Also, particularly with graphite shafts, manufacturers can set the kick point so that it creates a higher or lower launch. If you are new to the game and older, i.e. don't swing out of your shoes, a good rule of thumb is to buy clubs with higher lofts and more whippy shafts.
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Just means you have room for error. With the larger drivers, there is a bigger face with more surface area so there is more area to make solid contact and hit a good shot. Thats part of the bigger head as well, to balance it all out. Irons, you see it a bit, as cavity/oversized irons are more forgiving that the old blade irons. But irons are generally easier to hit that a wood, so its not as severe.
I don't play enough to know what I am handicap wise. I was an 8-9 back in HS when I played alot (though still not near enough to play on a HS team that contended for state championships every year), but Ive added probably 40 yds to my drives and 20-25 yds to my irons since then, so my game is alot different now as a result. If I play more, get my short game back to where it used to be, I could get probably get really good again.
I echo the compliments of Sentry World, what an unexpectedly awesome course. Love Blackwolf, especially the River course. My favorite course around Milwaukee is probably Milwaukee CC, just a gorgeous setting and a fun course to play (though I realize its not super easy to play). My dad loves Washington County out in Hartford, but that course always pisses me off.
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Yes - played it twice - while the course was not in the shape they had it for the amateurs, everybody in the group shot about 10 strokes more than their normal scores (with both groups, different people eacg group) Many long, long holes, fescue everywhere, tough greens. Beautiful course, terrain is amazing in how the holes are laid out - want to play again (need more corporate gigs though as it is pretty $$$).
Was Erin Hills as tough in person as it looked on TV during the Amateur?
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12 or so handicap, played 30+ rounds last year (way less this year due to having a baby). I moved to the Twin Cities last year and there are a ton of great, affordable courses. I play TaylorMade irons and woods.
Been to a handful of well known courses and Whistling Straits is easily my favorite. No matter how you play, enjoy the experience and the views. It is truly breathtaking. I played Harbour Town last fall and aside from 2-3 scenic holes didn't think too much of it.
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Yes - played it twice - while the course was not in the shape they had it for the amateurs, everybody in the group shot about 10 strokes more than their normal scores (with both groups, different people eacg group) Many long, long holes, fescue everywhere, tough greens. Beautiful course, terrain is amazing in how the holes are laid out - want to play again (need more corporate gigs though as it is pretty $$$).
On TV, it looked like there were holes laid out differently than anything I had ever seen. It looked like fun.
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For you Milwaukee scoopers, the Women's US Open is being held at Blackwolf Run, 7/5-8/12.
Interesting to watch them play, because their game from 130 yards in is tremendous.
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For you Milwaukee scoopers, the Women's US Open is being held at Blackwolf Run, 7/5-8/12.
Interesting to watch them play, because their game from 130 yards in is tremendous.
arethose dates correct? that's like 6 weeks long
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arethose dates correct? that's like 6 weeks long
July 5th thru July 8th.............2012
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arethose dates correct? that's like 6 weeks long
Have you seen how slow a 4some of broads can play?
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July 5th thru July 8th.............2012
gotcha that makes sense to me now, I didn't think they'd take over the course from July 5th thru August 12th
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I play, but am pretty terrible. Shoot with Adams Hybrid Irons, a Taylor Made R7 Driver which I need to replace ASAP, and an Odyssey Tri-Ball SRT putter which is the crap.
Usually play Kenosha County's Brightondale, Rivermoor or out in Lake Geneva. Hawk's View in Lake Geneva is a highly underrated course and is worth every dollar.
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Hawks View is very under-rated - nice course... especially when they run specials...
I play, but am pretty terrible. Shoot with Adams Hybrid Irons, a Taylor Made R7 Driver which I need to replace ASAP, and an Odyssey Tri-Ball SRT putter which is the crap.
Usually play Kenosha County's Brightondale, Rivermoor or out in Lake Geneva. Hawk's View in Lake Geneva is a highly underrated course and is worth every dollar.
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Will forgiving clubs stop me from topping the ball? My biggest problem. Embarrassing.
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Probably not.
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Then I might as well top the ball with my old clubs instead of spending for new ones?
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Or take the money you would have spent on new clubs and get a couple of lessons. The most important thing any golfer, new or old, good or bad, can get is a review of the fundamentals of stance, grip, etc. I cannot count the number of times that, during a round with somebody who only golfs once or twice a year, a simple tip about grip, where to play the ball in the stance, tempo, finding a mental picture that makes sense to them, etc., makes a difference and they suddenly start hitting decent shots after being unable to get the ball in the air for the first few holes.
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Good advice. Thanks.
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Since I don't get to the range and practice like I should I am just looking to keep my scores in the 90s and have fun. Used to be able to score in the 80s back in college when I could get to the range a few times a week on top of playing.
Best courses I have played:
Butler National (nothing has even come close to this)
Grayhawk - Raptor
Troon North - Monument
Currently in my bag I have:
Driver: Taylor Made R7
3 Wood: Original Callaway Steel Head - Steel Shaft
Irons: Cleveland TA4
Wedges: 53 and 56 Cleveland RTG Wedges
Putter: Nicklaus NI Blade Putter
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Topping the ball...keep your head down, biggest amateur mistake.. Took me decades to do it...but I still do on occasion:)
I have probally played more this year than ever...normally I don't play till Fathers Day weekend.
I sneak out and play Currie Park which is 2 blocks from me..Milwaukee public course..mostly to save driving time as my time allotments are so erratic.
Shot a 77 today and earlier shot a 76...but then again last weekend shot a 99!..ouch!
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Yes - played it twice - while the course was not in the shape they had it for the amateurs, everybody in the group shot about 10 strokes more than their normal scores (with both groups, different people eacg group) Many long, long holes, fescue everywhere, tough greens. Beautiful course, terrain is amazing in how the holes are laid out - want to play again (need more corporate gigs though as it is pretty $$$).
Fascinating story. I don't golf, but enjoy watching it, and going to tournaments. Erin Hills is an incredible story. After Lang gave in (up?) and the current owner Andy Ziegler bought in, the place has been transformed. Classic example of "addition by subtraction." Ziegler took out dozens and dozens of trees, which opened up incredible vistas, and the fescue is now coming in strong. To get the US Open in 2017, on a course just now coming together, is really remarkable.
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I am around a 12 handicap. Don't get out as much as I want even though the Univ. of Minnesota course is 2 blocks from my house. I still use my clubs I bought in 1989....Ricque handmade in Livonia, Michigan. I always think about what I could shoot with more "modern" clubs.
Spring Hill CC in Wayzata, MN.....good buddy is the Executive Chef there and get to play free every Monday.
Lake Michigan Hills North of Benton Harbor, Mi is a very good course.
Point O' Woods CC just North of Benton Harbor, MI is an unbelievably good course.
You hit two of my favorite courses in Lake Michigan Hills and Point of Woods. Point of Woods is excellent and Lake Michigan Hills is great earlier in the year before sand dunes get baked out as season goes on.
One of my favorite golf spectator moments was watching Phil Mickelson beat Justin Leonard in Western Am.. I grew up near Butler National and attended Western Open every year for at least 10 years. I had the privilege of caddying in the Western and that was pretty cool for a 17 year old kid.
Highlight of my golfing career was beating my older brother by 7 years after I graduated from MU. I was taking lessons and working on my game quite diligently when he came back that summer. The first round I threw up in my mouth and shot like a 93. I lost by 4 and was none too happy. We played again the next day and I shot a 74 to beat him by like 20 strokes. Older brother lost the mental edge after that!
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SirLawrence
Bob Lang is owed a ton by the golfing community. IMO the U.S. Open is his success. He rolled the dice on the project and was completely focused on bringing WI a U.S. Open. I have areal soft spot for Mr. Lang and his kindness. As the course was being built I often went out to walk the area and see the progress. On virtually every occasion Bob always was there and unreal host. In addition, one night weeks prior to opening he gave my wife and I a first class tour of the course one night around sunset. He then invited me to bring a foursome out on the house a week before the grand opening. Upon completing our round he was waiting for us and shared beers in the parking lot with us.
I will never forget the love and work he put into that course and he is a very big part of the course and the history being created there. It really was a great experience watching a man builds project with such passion. Big fan of the course and bigger Bob Lang fan.
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Goose, I'm sure Lang is a good guy, and had a great vision. But, he ran out of money.
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Got my first career eagle last week ... in my third decade as a fairly avid golfer.
One of best drives of season (300 plus, right down middle), best 5-iron in several years (180 yarder dead on), 2 1/2 foot putt. Told myself as I approached the putt: "If you miss this, you might NEVER get an eagle." Nice positive thought, eh? But even I couldn't miss that one.
Just a few days earlier, I was less than a foot away from my first career hole-in-one, so maybe I'm aging like fine wine!!!
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Did the 48 inch muskie fall off the line too?
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Injured about 5 years ago that has taken me out of the game. Could go under the knife but have decided against it.
Prior to that, about a 12. Taylor Made woods, Callaway irons.
Played Doral one time in Florida and several of the PGA courses in Arizona and California.
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Cobra irons and driver. Callaway wedges. Looking to replace the driver, but haven't been able to justify the cost to do so yet. Its a 10.5 degree offset with a regular shaft, which leads to me getting way too high up in the air and losing a ton of distance. Looking into switching into something more like a non offset, 9 degree stiff shaft.
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Really, I'm a hacker. but I love the game anyways.
TM Irons. No woods. Recently got a hybrid that I'm learning to play.
I'm an 18-25, depending on the day, which is good enough to beat anyone I typically play with. Always wondered how good I could get if I was able to hit a wood off the tee. My game from 170yds-in is above average.
I learned to play on an old set of forged irons, but never hit the persimmon woods that went with them. When I moved to a cavity-backed iron, tried the woods, never got comfy with them on the tee (off the deck is a different matter).
Where to play? One of my local favorites is Fire Ridge.
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I'm high 90's-low 100's, but getting better.
I've got hand-me-down Callaway irons, a Cobra Speed LD driver (the best thing to ever happen to my golf game), and just added Tommy Armour wedges and a hybrid into my bag.
Mostly play the MKE county courses, which, with the discount card, provide a great bang for the buck.
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On the flip side, my vote for most overrated course I've ever played is Harborside. Played it for the first time last summer, didn't think it matched the hype.
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On the flip side, my vote for most overrated course I've ever played is Harborside. Played it for the first time last summer, didn't think it matched the hype.
I would go with TPC - Scottsdale. Troon and Grey Hawk were way more fun and scenic for less money.
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I'm low 100's.
I was pumped this weekend when I birdied a par 5 for the first time in my life.
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Going to Whistling Straights with my girlfriends dad, this should be interesting :(
He's won tournaments with his late father, and wants to take me there. Needless to say I don't play as much as him, and i'm in fear of embarrassing myself. i can hold my own on an average course,(high 70's low 80's) but when the man shells out $350 per player plus $160 for a manditory caddy, I feel i'm in over my head here.
Advice?
Lucky you didn't play the River course
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On the flip side, my vote for most overrated course I've ever played is Harborside. Played it for the first time last summer, didn't think it matched the hype.
South side Chicago Harborside?
Played those tracks quite a bit around 2002-2005 when I lived in the city. At the time, there wasn't much noise around the courses but I enjoyed them. Have to give them points for the anchor cut into the par 3 on the Port course.
Then again, hard as it is to imagine, that's a decade to seven years ago so a lot can change.
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Harborside (Chicago) the golf course isn't as important as Harborside the symbol. It is a decent course. I've played better links style courses in the midwest. However, what it represents, finding a productive use for land on top of a landfill, is really great. More places should try it.
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13.6 index - at 63 my putter has deserted me (insert Viagra joke here). Favorite courses of all time - Royal County Down (N Ireland) and Tralee (regular old Ireland). Favorites in the states - Lost Dunes and Arcadia Bluffs (Michigan), Black Wolf Run - River Course (Wis), TPC - Sawgrass (Fla) and the Stadium Course at PGA West (Cal). Most overated? Anything in Arizona.
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Lenny,
Agreed on AZ courses. As much as I love golf I would have hard time with steady diet of AZ golf. We are very spoiled in the upper midwest with great courses and glad we are!!
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What about Florida courses?
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ATWiz
Soft spot for FL because have spent a lot of time there in my life. Would take FL courses over AZ.
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Lenny's, one of my proudest achievements is a 78 from the tips at Arcadia Bluffs. 38 Putts because the greens were so fast and so hard to figure out on the first visit. I have no experience on Az courses, but the Bermuda rough on Fla courses always messes me up. I am sure that if I played it often enough, I would figure it out.
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Lenny,
Agreed on AZ courses. As much as I love golf I would have hard time with steady diet of AZ golf. We are very spoiled in the upper midwest with great courses and glad we are!!
that's God's way of saying that no one should be playing golf in places where it only rains 7 in/year.
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Lenny's, one of my proudest achievements is a 78 from the tips at Arcadia Bluffs. 38 Putts because the greens were so fast and so hard to figure out on the first visit. I have no experience on Az courses, but the Bermuda rough on Fla courses always messes me up. I am sure that if I played it often enough, I would figure it out.
That's some serious ball strikin', Tower.
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What about Florida courses?
Haven't played there much in the last 15 years. Likes - TPC at Sawgrass, Copperhead and Island courses at Innisbrook. Thought Doral as a whole was a little overated, but the Blue Monster was a really good course.
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They had the tips set at about 6800+ and not the 7200 option. Also had an east wind, so a couple of the par 5's were playing downhill and downwind. Only one mulligan all day, on a putt. 40 foot putt, I played 15 ft of break and missed 10 feet low. I dropped another ball, putted out to the fringe, watched it break 25 feet and stop 3 feet from the hole. Said f-it and played the second one. Greens were playing 13 on the stimp and there were mounds and ridges everywhere.
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Love the Innisbrook course a lot. Have not played there in years either but both great courses. My folks lived on TPC in Sarasota and decent course but the belonged to club called The Oaks and original course is very nice.
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What about Florida courses?
Florida courses tend to be slightly harder with the rough. Most have Bermuda rough, which when it grows past two inches makes the ball sink like into a Brillo-pad. The rough doesn't go dormant like in the desert and stays this way year round.
The country club I play at in South Florida has a new green surface that is called TifEagle and many clubs are now replacing greens with it. It can handle the stress and when mature makes the ball roll fast and true. Truly amazing product.
Florida courses also tend to be more windy than in Arizona/Nevada, but at times the desert winds can wreck havoc. Makes you a better golfer in non-windy conditions after playing constantly in the wind. Arizona has the weather though hands down, with no threat of afternoon storms. Whenever I planned a golf getaway it was always to Scottsdale or Palm Springs because of the non rain factor. Nothing worse than going on a golf trip and the weather turns real bad.
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Regarding Arizona, the We-Ko-Pa (http://wekopa.com/ (http://wekopa.com/)) set-up is pretty nice on both of their tracks. I get that target golf isn't everyone's favorite so the AZ courses can become a drag but I enjoyed these.
For those still in the area, what has become of Bristlecone Pines and Country Club of Wisconsin? Those were the courses I played most often during my drunken daze at school.
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I like the Gallery in Tucson. The Ritz was nice to walk at the Match Play this year.
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I enjoy playing in Arizona...especially during Labor Day and Memorial Day. There's some courses where you get the best of both worlds --> harder fairways for that extra roll off the tee, and greens tend to be at least a little softer than normal.
That being said, definitely play a lot more bump/pitch and run on AZ courses than I do in Wisconsin. I opt to play there more in the summer bc golf prices are outrageously cheaper...just make sure you drink enough water.
I have enjoyed some nice rounds this summer. Three courses I have enjoyed are Washington County GC, Merrill Hills (as long as I am hitting fairways) and Rolling Hills GC (Old Lac La Belle, I think?).
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USGA Index 8.7
Woods - Rocketballz driver/3wood (Still getting used to them, 3 weeks old)
Irons - Ping G10
Cleveland sand wedge (53)
Titleist Vokeys (56 and 60)
Odyssey 2 ball White Hot
I'm a member at http://www.strawberrycreekclub.com/Strawberry-WI-Golf-Course-Detai1.html (http://www.strawberrycreekclub.com/Strawberry-WI-Golf-Course-Detai1.html), which is a great course, albeit private. I caddied during the Wisconsin State Open last year at Blackwolf Run, it was amazing. I like Geneva National (Trevino) and The Straits courses.
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Has anybody played Hawk's View Como Crossing in the Lake Geneva area?
Looks like I'm playing there Saturday morning.
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Has anybody played Hawk's View Como Crossing in the Lake Geneva area?
Looks like I'm playing there Saturday morning.
Very nice course. You won't be disappointed.
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Very nice course. You won't be disappointed.
+1
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For those still in the area, what has become of Bristlecone Pines and Country Club of Wisconsin? Those were the courses I played most often during my drunken daze at school.
I forget what happened to Bristlecone, but CCW went through a bankruptcy in 2002ish. Was bought by a partnership between the Romano family (Scenic View GC) and Flannery's. When they pulled it out of receivership, renamed the course Fire Ridge GC. As far as I know, pretty much the same track. Bar/Restaurant much improved (Flannery's at Fire Ridge).
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I forget what happened to Bristlecone, but CCW went through a bankruptcy in 2002ish. Was bought by a partnership between the Romano family (Scenic View GC) and Flannery's. When they pulled it out of receivership, renamed the course Fire Ridge GC. As far as I know, pretty much the same track. Bar/Restaurant much improved (Flannery's at Fire Ridge).
Good to hear its still around in some capacity. Wasn't a bad 18.
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Played U-Ridge yesterday - forgot how cool/ tough that course is = even with a frickin' motion W everywhere.
My long game was sweet like a DJO 3 ptr, unfortunately my short game was much like Vander shooting when he drives to the rim - no touch, no feel...
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Son and I played Erin Hills yesterday and were two of ten golfers on entire course. Had 10:30 tee time and took off at 10 and done at 1:40. Very enjoyable but course needs some players.
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Wow, 10 golfers on a beautiful Sunday...
I imagine the $200 + $100 for a caddie (which likely is a must since no carts, no pull-carts even) is a challenge. Average golfer does not spend that coin and/or does not want to have to take a caddie or carry their own clubs.
The other is lack of comparable courses & hotels nearby - people can go to Kohler and play great courses, stay over night and play again...
Love Erin Hills but it will have a challenge to get players to come to the course at those rates...
Son and I played Erin Hills yesterday and were two of ten golfers on entire course. Had 10:30 tee time and took off at 10 and done at 1:40. Very enjoyable but course needs some players.
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Afraid you are correct across the board madtown. I do love the course and everything about it but too hard, too expensive and hard day of walking. All day I kept thinking of ways for them to generate more revenues and truthfully was at a loss. Will be interesting to see what happens there heading up to Open in '17.
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I'm sure Erin would love more demand, but I don't know if they are willing to lower the price to get there.
If they cut the price in half, they have to get twice as much play to make the same revenue, and twice as much play will lead to more maintenance costs, (but would also lead to increase bar/food revenue so maybe those would cancel each other out, I don't know).
There is a happy medium for price/demand. I don't know if they have found it yet. Maybe $150 during prime season and under $100 in the spring and fall?
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Maybe 10 golfers on a perfect Sunday in July is an aberration due to the holiday weekend. It better be, and by a longshot. I don't think the good citizens of Wisconsin will want to keep shoveling money into it if it's not.
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1) Adding an option for pull cart and not requiring a caddie would help... 3 of the four courses at Kohler allow carts and pull carts
2) Variable rates - seasonal (spring / fall) and time of day (early / twilight) would help
Looking back, when they were renovating tremendously, they had a $100 rate and got a lot of play...
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not sure the good citizens of Wisconsin are shoveling money into it....
Owner Andy Ziegler may care though...
Maybe 10 golfers on a perfect Sunday in July is an aberration due to the holiday weekend. It better be, and by a longshot. I don't think the good citizens of Wisconsin will want to keep shoveling money into it if it's not.
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It was not slow due to the holiday. Wife and I have gone there three times this summer for later afternoon cocktails and very slow across the board. I really think it is difficulty of course and walk hurting them and not the price. Unless in great shape it is not a course you will play/walk multiple times a year.
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Yea, maybe really nice pull carts would be cool.
I've also heard that the cottage accommodations have been pretty busy, so maybe the business model is to have an ulta-exclusive course, and make some $ selling/renting accommodations.
A super-premium golf club can work in the state (kohler), but how many super premium courses can the state accommodate? I can play in lake Geneva 2 or 3 times for the price I can play Erin Hills once.
With this said, I loved Erin Hills, and I would play out there again in a second... just too tough to justify the cost right now.
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Witnessed my first hole-in-1 the other day. Actually, I had seen a couple before, but never one hit by a player in my group.
It was a nice one, too: 180-yarder over water. His shot was absolutely perfect, no fluky bounces, almost slam-dunked it.
It was exciting to see, and I wasn't even the guy who hit it. He was, of course, beyond thrilled.
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Played The Bull over the weekend and totally disappointed. Did not have great expectations and still came away disappointed. Would love to hear other thoughts on the course and facility, maybe being too tough on the place.
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Loving the WSGA being played at my home course this weekend. I see Strawberry Creek, the heat, and the winds are playing a bit tough. Only 12 players under par yesterday, and as it stands now... only 7 remained.
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Just found this thread - is it over like Tiger's major march!?! Need something to challenge the fishing thread.
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To Hoopaloop a topic....If any of you are so bored that you are sitting at home on the Sunday of Memorial Day weekend, watching the Senior PGA championship, look for the guy in the gallery, heavy-set, with the MU Polo and ballcap.
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ballcap.
Stained?
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To Hoopaloop a topic....If any of you are so bored that you are sitting at home on the Sunday of Memorial Day weekend, watching the Senior PGA championship, look for the guy in the gallery, heavy-set, with the MU Polo and ballcap.
Why? Crean gonna show?
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I have two MU hats. One-sweat stained, one not. I will probably go with the new, bright one. And regardless of how much sunscreen I wear, I will probably end up as orange as Crean.
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Didn't know this was a thread. Didn't bother reading the past posts but if any of you live in the Chicagoland area I would urge you to check out Harborside if you haven't done so yet. Awesome course, I golfed there for $50 last year through golf pipeline.