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Please, Coach
« on: January 16, 2016, 04:31:32 PM »
I won't pretend to know more about basketball than Coach Wojo, because clearly I don't.  And even moreso, I won't pretend I know more about this team than Wojo.  But please, my eyes, my head, and my heart are all telling me that Walter and JJJ need more time, and Duane needs less time.

It seems like Wojo oftentimes gets an idea of how Traci is playing early on in the game and if it's not well, he'll pick his spots to get Traci in the game, but for the most part has Cheatham and sometimes Duane handle the point guard duties when it isn't good.  I would love to see Wojo handle Duane's minutes in a similar fashion.  Duane's one skillset that he sometimes does well is score the basketball.  He's a slightly above average rebounder for a guard.  Other than that, he's a below average defender, and he's very bad with the basketball and needing to make decisions on offense.  When he's not hitting shots it's pretty clear he's not doing much to help the team.  I would like to see Wojo go to some alternatives when that's happening early on.

For as much youth as we have on this team, we need the 4 guys in their 3rd year of college basketball (4th for Wally) to play like they're in their 3rd year of college basketball.  Up through last year, I didn't think I'd ever see JJJ as an under control guy who just plays within the flow of an offense, and I did think I'd see Duane be our go to guy.  Unfortunately Duane makes just as many "freshman decisions" as the freshman do, and now JJJ seems to have figured it out.  Even when he's not "on," he defends okay, rebounds well, moves the ball well, and plays within the offense.  I have now gotten to the point where I am confident that at a very minimum, JJJ will not hurt the team when he's on the floor (and the same goes for Wally).  With Duane, if he misses a few shots early, I have no confidence that he won't hurt this team at this point.  He's a lot like a Monta Ellis where he can absolutely carry you offensively, but when the shots aren't falling he can also absolutely kill you.

As my buddy texted me, "Give me 4 Walters and a concussed JJJ."
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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2016, 04:38:49 PM »
I won't pretend to know more about basketball than Coach Wojo, because clearly I don't.  And even moreso, I won't pretend I know more about this team than Wojo.  But please, my eyes, my head, and my heart are all telling me that Walter and JJJ need more time, and Duane needs less time.


Just a brutal shooter. And so many of the outside shots are not even close.

39% from the floor doesn't do it for a guy that shoots so much - 2nd on team.

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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2016, 04:39:56 PM »
Wally needs to play. He understands the physicality of major college basketball. Hustles. Rebounds. Smart.

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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2016, 04:41:43 PM »
Am I just not remembering or is Duane's "Dominic James" style jumper (max jumps on his jumper and releases it at the very top of his jump shot) something new?  I don't remember him shooting like that last year, but he certainly does this year.  Looks very unnatural.
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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2016, 05:00:59 PM »
I think one of the problems is that Duane is one of maybe two guys on this team that could turn a 9-point deficit into a tie game in a minute. He has a short memory, which allows him to suddenly hit three 3's out of nowhere whether he's 1/8 on the night or 7/8.

The other problem is that the only other guy on the team that might be able to do that is Andrew Rowsey.
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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2016, 05:08:06 PM »
duane has had a terrible terrible two game stretch. lets hope he can pick it up.

i am in agreement wally needs more time as does jjj

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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2016, 05:10:21 PM »
I thought Luke was the one we were going to irrationally blame our losses on this year.  It's Duane?

Yes, he chucked up some poor shots and Wojo sat him - the announcers even commented on it.  Wally got a ton of time and JJJ is coming off an injury.  Against the #7 ranked team in the country, the #2 RPI team, and therefore maybe a #1 seed......Duane did NOT cost us the game.  Yes, he needs to find his game and make better decisions but he's not the reason we are not a great team.

Relax.

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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2016, 05:18:30 PM »
I thought Luke was the one we were going to irrationally blame our losses on this year.  It's Duane?

Yes, he chucked up some poor shots and Wojo sat him - the announcers even commented on it.  Wally got a ton of time and JJJ is coming off an injury.  Against the #7 ranked team in the country, the #2 RPI team, and therefore maybe a #1 seed......Duane did NOT cost us the game.  Yes, he needs to find his game and make better decisions but he's not the reason we are not a great team.

Relax.

Hmm, don't think I even said a single thing about the game today, or any single game.  But I guess you can look at it that way?

Even if I didn't, really?  He went 2-15 shooting, 1-10 from 3, 0-0 from the FT line, 1 rebound, 2 assists, and 3 turnovers.  Uhh...
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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2016, 05:35:30 PM »
I thought Luke was the one we were going to irrationally blame our losses on this year.  It's Duane?

Ironic, because Luke being limited by foul trouble was what really killed us today. Early on, we pounded inside out and built up our lead. Defensively, we were frustrating them. They fought back, Luke picked up 3 fouls, and they battered us with him on the bench. Henry's defense (rather lack thereof) turned James Farr into a superstar.

I'm not blaming Luke. There were inconsistent calls and he was too often I the receiving end. But if he only gets one in the first, we keep it closer and don't have to go to our "see hoop, shoot three" style of offense in the second.
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2016, 05:43:49 PM »
Ironic, because Luke being limited by foul trouble was what really killed us today. Early on, we pounded inside out and built up our lead. Defensively, we were frustrating them. They fought back, Luke picked up 3 fouls, and they battered us with him on the bench. Henry's defense (rather lack thereof) turned James Farr into a superstar.

I'm not blaming Luke. There were inconsistent calls and he was too often I the receiving end. But if he only gets one in the first, we keep it closer and don't have to go to our "see hoop, shoot three" style of offense in the second.


I disagree 1,000%.

A complete lack of shooting by Carter, Wilson, Cohen, and Cheatham is why we lost.  What happens if those 4 guys shoot even a very bad 40% from the floor?

That would be an extra 16 - 20 points today depending on how many threes.

This loss is completely and utterly on these 4 guys.



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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2016, 05:45:04 PM »

I disagree 1,000%.

A complete lack of shooting by Carter, Wilson, Cohen, and Cheatham is why we lost.  What happens if those 4 guys shoot even a very bad 40% from the floor?

That would be an extra 16 - 20 points today depending on how many threes.

This loss is completely and utterly on these 4 guys.

Lots of blame to go around.  We had plenty of chances to win this game.  But a 21-0 run against a top 5 team isn't going to get it done.
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2016, 05:45:23 PM »
Wally = Cowbell

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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2016, 05:59:32 PM »
Hmm, don't think I even said a single thing about the game today, or any single game.  But I guess you can look at it that way?

Even if I didn't, really?  He went 2-15 shooting, 1-10 from 3, 0-0 from the FT line, 1 rebound, 2 assists, and 3 turnovers.  Uhh...
you are correct, you didn't discuss the game today.  the timing, the responses, and the need the board has for a villain made me focus on today. 

But whether it is today's game or the season Duane's poor decisions are not going to make the difference between an NCAA bid and not.  I trust that he'll show he will learn from his mistakes under the tutelage of the staff.

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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2016, 06:19:42 PM »
No kidding and I've said it many times

If carter can't handle the ball. JJJ is a better option than both Duane and Haanif.

He knows when to attack and is a crafty passer.

And as for Wally. He really isn't good, but he's willing to bang and keep fighting for boards and if no one else is gonna make shots anyways. Might as well go wth the guy who will do the little things and can handle the physical play.
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2016, 06:22:56 PM »
Don't be afraid. 

My wife coaches our son's 2nd grade team and my wife spends the entire MU game screaming that Wojo doesn't make the right adjustments. 
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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2016, 06:24:03 PM »

I disagree 1,000%.

A complete lack of shooting by Carter, Wilson, Cohen, and Cheatham is why we lost.  What happens if those 4 guys shoot even a very bad 40% from the floor?

That would be an extra 16 - 20 points today depending on how many threes.

This loss is completely and utterly on these 4 guys.

Yeah...including them going 2/18 from three. Many of which were threes that were taken without establishing the offense because we didn't have a target inside to get the ball to. They started forcing shots up because we didn't have Luke down low to give us an interior option and use the inside game to set up the outside.

Yes, the end result of them missing killed us, but that end result all started with Luke being limited due to foul trouble. It impacted not just how much he played but also how he was able to play.
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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2016, 06:28:49 PM »
Duane is another erratic Milwaukee guard. Seems he was never really taught the fundamentals of the game. Has some talent but lacks the ability to make smart decisions consistently.

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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2016, 06:32:28 PM »
Duane is another erratic Milwaukee guard. Seems he was never really taught the fundamentals of the game. Has some talent but lacks the ability to make smart decisions consistently.

I think fundamentally he is fine.  I think he is going through a tough mental block with poor shooting, and he is neither very big nor very experienced.  I think his future is still bright.

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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2016, 06:33:57 PM »
Don't be afraid. 

My wife coaches our son's 2nd grade team and my wife spends the entire MU game screaming that Wojo doesn't make the right adjustments. 

*my wife's HS team was top 25 in the country if your meathead enough to think she shouldn't coach.

I'm sure your wife is very knowledgable about the game of basketball, so obviously your wife is probably more knowledgable about the game of basketball than Wojo because her girls basketball team was ranked top 25 in the country.  Wojo didn't win a National Title as a college basketball player, wasn't a high school All American, didn't win multiple National Titles as an assistant coach, and didn't play basketball professionally overseas or anything.

Oh wait...
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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2016, 06:35:50 PM »
I think fundamentally he is fine.  I think he is going through a tough mental block with poor shooting, and he is neither very big nor very experienced.  I think his future is still bright.

I think you're probably right, I'm just slightly worried because I thought he'd be improved from last season but it seems like he's slightly regressed this year.  I do think you're right that most of it is mental.  Maybe he's struggling with a different role in coming off the bench?  Or maybe you're right that he's just not making shots and overthinking?  Not sure what it is, but he does seem to be forcing shots up at times.
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2016, 06:37:00 PM »
Before today he actually had a better FG% than last year.  Lower from 3 though.  IMO he has to stop settling for jump shots and attack the pain more.

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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2016, 06:42:53 PM »
Duane's shot has been really off this year.  Remember this was the same guy who went off 30 at the holiday tournament last year.  Duane couldn't score 30 now if he played 40 minutes and took every shot.  His shot form and the trajectory of the ball looks off to me.  Last year even on an off night his shot looked good.  Now many have no chance.  Wojo probably can't change his form midseason without risking him even getting worse but it should be something that gets changed in the off season.  One thing Duane can do is stop shooting from 4 feet behind the line.  Duane buddy you need all the help you can get, step into the shot and up to the line.

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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2016, 07:02:51 PM »
I think fundamentally he is fine.  I think he is going through a tough mental block with poor shooting, and he is neither very big nor very experienced.  I think his future is still bright.

I'll agree with all, but experience aspect.  He's been at MU for three years and has played in over fifty games. 

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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2016, 07:39:27 PM »
I'll agree with all, but experience aspect.  He's been at MU for three years and has played in over fifty games. 

He is a sophomore. Still inexperienced IMO.

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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2016, 09:15:26 PM »
I'm sure your wife is very knowledgable about the game of basketball, so obviously your wife is probably more knowledgable about the game of basketball than Wojo because her girls basketball team was ranked top 25 in the country.  Wojo didn't win a National Title as a college basketball player, wasn't a high school All American, didn't win multiple National Titles as an assistant coach, and didn't play basketball professionally overseas or anything.

Oh wait...

Wojo was not on a national title team as a player at Duke.

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« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2016, 09:22:24 PM »
Wojo was not on a national title team as a player at Duke.

He wasn't?  Dang.  Never knew for sure, just knew he was there around when they started the dynasty that Coach K started so figured he must've got one.
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« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2016, 09:30:14 PM »
He wasn't?  Dang.  Never knew for sure, just knew he was there around when they started the dynasty that Coach K started so figured he must've got one.
Yeah, the 1994-1998 Duke teams only made it past the Sweet 16 once, when they made the Elite 8 his senior year. His freshman year was the year Coach K hurt his back and split coaching duties with Pete Gaudet and the team finished 13-18 and missed the post season.

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« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2016, 09:31:26 PM »
Actually he wasn't around when they started the dynasty. He was post Laetner and on the team when K took a sabbatical when he had back surgery.

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« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2016, 09:55:14 PM »
Let me think we are all blaming various players for the fact we did not win today. That is, we did not beat a top ten team on our home court. We lost by 8 points. We have tons of Freshman on this team and we lost by 8 points. We have shooters who can not shoot but we lost by 8 points, we have Luke in foul trouble for much of the game and our other big, albeit a great player, is a Freshman and currently does not post up well when Luke is out, but we lost by 8 points. We have a young team that does not have a power forward or for that matter a power guard but we lost by 8 points to a top ten team.

What do you expect for Freshman, miracles? I think it is time we stop degrading this team and individual players and recognize the progress this team has made. A year from now this team will be better, stronger and competitive in every Big East game.

I expect more from each and every player and more so from our upper classmen. Some need to be smarter, some need to grow, some need to realize that this is no longer HS, however, this team has heart, talent and potential. Stay the course and seize the day. We need to support them now more than ever. They need us now so they understand MU does not whine, make excuses or blame others. MU has pride, MU has courage, MU does not quit. We will prevail just give them the chance to learn how to win. You can help them by showing your support. Start shouting your support at the games starting now! 

   
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« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2016, 10:43:44 PM »
Just a brutal shooter. And so many of the outside shots are not even close.

39% from the floor doesn't do it for a guy that shoots so much - 2nd on team.

What is the relevance of FG%?
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« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2016, 10:54:54 PM »
Wilson has been a major disappointment since I've been watching him since high school. I would've thought for sure he would be a dominant point guard in the big east by his third year.

Really pissed me off how he was jumping and calling for the ball late in the game. He wasn't more open then other guys and he was 1-9 at the time. Swing the ball and take good threes. He needs to stop trying to be the man.

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« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2016, 11:01:14 PM »
Let me think we are all blaming various players for the fact we did not win today. That is, we did not beat a top ten team on our home court. We lost by 8 points. We have tons of Freshman on this team and we lost by 8 points. We have shooters who can not shoot but we lost by 8 points, we have Luke in foul trouble for much of the game and our other big, albeit a great player, is a Freshman and currently does not post up well when Luke is out, but we lost by 8 points. We have a young team that does not have a power forward or for that matter a power guard but we lost by 8 points to a top ten team.

What do you expect for Freshman, miracles? I think it is time we stop degrading this team and individual players and recognize the progress this team has made. A year from now this team will be better, stronger and competitive in every Big East game.

I expect more from each and every player and more so from our upper classmen. Some need to be smarter, some need to grow, some need to realize that this is no longer HS, however, this team has heart, talent and potential. Stay the course and seize the day. We need to support them now more than ever. They need us now so they understand MU does not whine, make excuses or blame others. MU has pride, MU has courage, MU does not quit. We will prevail just give them the chance to learn how to win. You can help them by showing your support. Start shouting your support at the games starting now! 

 

Was at the game and cheering on the team.  And this thread wasn't about freshman (which is the problem, it's about a 3rd year sophomore who still plays like a freshman), nor was it meant to degrade him.  It was simply meant to state that when Duane's shots aren't falling, I would personally prefer to see some of his minutes go to Wally and/or JJJ, who play a little more within the team concept.
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« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2016, 11:14:03 PM »
I'm sure your wife is very knowledgable about the game of basketball, so obviously your wife is probably more knowledgable about the game of basketball than Wojo because her girls basketball team was ranked top 25 in the country.  Wojo didn't win a National Title as a college basketball player, wasn't a high school All American, didn't win multiple National Titles as an assistant coach, and didn't play basketball professionally overseas or anything.

Oh wait...

But is Wojo making the proper adjustments, or not?
 
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« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2016, 12:12:00 AM »
I think fundamentally he is fine.  I think he is going through a tough mental block with poor shooting, and he is neither very big nor very experienced.  I think his future is still bright.

His jumper is broke as sh*t. Unless they fix it in the offseason he's of little value on either end.

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« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2016, 12:16:59 AM »
What is the relevance of FG%?

It's extremely relevant when a guy takes 15 shots and hits two.

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« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2016, 01:26:09 AM »
Duane is another erratic Milwaukee guard. Seems he was never really taught the fundamentals of the game. Has some talent but lacks the ability to make smart decisions consistently.

Shot fired at Ike? I just hope Duane keeps improving & makes strides every year. MU will need Duane, starting Wednesday

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« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2016, 02:17:16 AM »
It's extremely relevant when a guy takes 15 shots and hits two.

You cited "39% from the floor"... that is what I was asking about. What relevance does that have?
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« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2016, 02:54:57 AM »
His jumper is broke as sh*t. Unless they fix it in the offseason he's of little value on either end.
Yep, he's over-jumping again.  Form is not bad, but hard to control release angle and distance when at the top of a "too-high" jump. 

The opposite of Sandy, who takes too much time to release and releases too low.

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« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2016, 07:43:51 AM »

But is Wojo making the proper adjustments, or not?


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« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2016, 08:15:20 AM »


  What does Sacar have to do to get in the game?  Is there such a drop off in his contribution.

 It seems similar to Coach K and how Semi was treated, and he left. 

 Check out his body language, he might be hard to notice he's #2 but his warm up jacket seem never to come off.
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« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2016, 08:28:04 AM »
I agree with playing Wally more, that's for sure.  We seem to play better whenever he is in the game.
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« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2016, 09:50:26 AM »
Sacar is bulking up and biding his time. He knows Henry's gone next year.
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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2016, 10:06:22 AM »

  What does Sacar have to do to get in the game?  Is there such a drop off in his contribution.

 It seems similar to Coach K and how Semi was treated, and he left. 

 Check out his body language, he might be hard to notice he's #2 but his warm up jacket seem never to come off.


Why do we always think the answer is the guy buried on the bench?  If Sacar wants to leave based on this year, he can.  More power to him.  But I don't think that's the case.

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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2016, 10:07:22 AM »
Trick question, bc Wojo doesn't make adjustments*


*Other than going zone.

I agree, he sticks with the game plan, must be the Duke way.   UCLA did similar under Wooden.

Me thinks we are getting ready for the BIG East Tournament, and we play well in the city.  At least I can hope that is the plan.

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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2016, 10:13:03 AM »
Sacar is bulking up and biding his time. He knows Henry's gone next year.

He does not have the height to fill Henry's shoes, he's similar to Sandy in height and weight.. With Sam H and Rowsey coming in next year it gets a little more crowded for him. With the way things are going for this team I can't understand why he doesn't get a call from Wojo.

Don't want to lose him, without seeing what he can do.  He had great HS stats.
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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2016, 10:22:47 AM »

Why do we always think the answer is the guy buried on the bench?  If Sacar wants to leave based on this year, he can.  More power to him.  But I don't think that's the case.

Did I say he was the answer?  I'll like to see what he can do.  Your response is a little over the top to my post.
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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2016, 10:33:55 AM »
Du has had a rough stretch her. Same thing happened last year. He eventually figured it out. He will be fine. I do agree with getting Wally some more minutes.
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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2016, 11:36:29 AM »
Sacar is bulking up and biding his time. He knows Henry's gone next year.

Sacar is 6'4/6'5. But I agree, feel bad he didn't redshirt

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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2016, 01:41:15 PM »
Did I say he was the answer?  I'll like to see what he can do.  Your response is a little over the top to my post.


You are pointing out his body language and comparing what Wojo is doing to him to what Coach K did to Semi.

Since you have no clue what is going on, your post really didn't deserve any serious reply.

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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #49 on: January 17, 2016, 02:27:55 PM »

You are pointing out his body language and comparing what Wojo is doing to him to what Coach K did to Semi.

Since you have no clue what is going on, your post really didn't deserve any serious reply.

The point is you are saying that I'm stating that Sacar is the answer, which is not True.  Save your Mind reading for your friends.

If my posts didn't deserve a serious response, what does that make your response, or are you exempt.
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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #50 on: January 17, 2016, 03:19:51 PM »

  What does Sacar have to do to get in the game?  Is there such a drop off in his contribution.

 It seems similar to Coach K and how Semi was treated, and he left. 

 Check out his body language, he might be hard to notice he's #2 but his warm up jacket seem never to come off.

I'll trust the coaches who see the guys in practice infinitely more than any of us to decide who should play.

Are you related to Sacar? I love when players' friends/relatives/coaches start peddling for them on the board. It always ends well. (See last year and JJJ)

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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #51 on: January 18, 2016, 11:30:30 AM »
I'll trust the coaches who see the guys in practice infinitely more than any of us to decide who should play.

Are you related to Sacar? I love when players' friends/relatives/coaches start peddling for them on the board. It always ends well. (See last year and JJJ)

Not related, but at the beginning of season Wojo mentioned that he might be the best athlete on the team.  Also on the Europe trip he seem to have minutes and played OK.

Then after the Iowa game virtually nothing.  What happened.

I agree, Coaches have so much more insight in game plans, and depth of what's happening in practice than Fans.  But maybe a slight chance their not always right. Anyways why not throw him a bone at game ending minutes in big losses.  Really hard going into the locker room  after a game and your the only ride player that didn't play.  Tough diet as the season happens.

I would like to eyeball him on the court to see what he brings, no matter how small his window might be.
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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #52 on: January 18, 2016, 11:58:30 AM »
Du has had a rough stretch her. Same thing happened last year. He eventually figured it out. He will be fine. I do agree with getting Wally some more minutes.

Duane through 6 BEast games 3P%:
2015: 29% (7-24)
2016: 28% (9-32)

Non Con 3P%:
2015: 33% (16-48)
2016: 34% (25-73)

That's not to defend his shot selection in the second half, which was poor, but like Brew was saying, he has no memory. And Wojo knows it can turn around in a blink a la St. John's (where he shot 1-6 from 3 in the first then led the comeback with a 3-3 performance from long range).

One non-related point, not to throw Luke under the bus, but his absence didn't spur the Xavier rally. He was a -12 on the floor on Saturday and was on the floor for all but 4 points of the Xavier TKO 21-0 run.

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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #53 on: January 19, 2016, 12:05:43 AM »

One non-related point, not to throw Luke under the bus, but his absence didn't spur the Xavier rally. He was a -12 on the floor on Saturday and was on the floor for all but 4 points of the Xavier TKO 21-0 run.

It's not throwing somebody under the bus to state facts, and I found these interesting. Thanks for digging them up and sharing.
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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #54 on: January 19, 2016, 07:22:09 AM »
Not related, but at the beginning of season Wojo mentioned that he might be the best athlete on the team.

That's saying something on a team with Wally Ellenson, who is a phenomenal athlete.
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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #55 on: January 19, 2016, 08:13:23 AM »
That's saying something on a team with Wally Ellenson, who is a phenomenal athlete.

What can I tell you, if you're doubtful, then  with some research you can check it out.  I think it was just before the season started and in reference to why he was using a 6'-5" at the 4 spot.
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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #56 on: January 19, 2016, 08:14:21 AM »
Not related, but at the beginning of season Wojo mentioned that he might be the best athlete on the team.  Also on the Europe trip he seem to have minutes and played OK.

Then after the Iowa game virtually nothing.  What happened.

I agree, Coaches have so much more insight in game plans, and depth of what's happening in practice than Fans.  But maybe a slight chance their not always right. Anyways why not throw him a bone at game ending minutes in big losses.  Really hard going into the locker room  after a game and your the only ride player that didn't play.  Tough diet as the season happens.

I would like to eyeball him on the court to see what he brings, no matter how small his window might be.


These are the same arguments people were having the last couple of years with regard to other players.  It seems like you want to have your curiosity satisfied more than anything, and you are saying things like "body language" to justify if he should actually play.

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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #57 on: January 19, 2016, 09:16:17 AM »
What can I tell you, if you're doubtful, then  with some research you can check it out.  I think it was just before the season started and in reference to why he was using a 6'-5" at the 4 spot.

My comment was not meant to be negative about Anim.  It was meant to say that he must be very athletic if the coach thinks he may be the most athletic guy on a roster that has Wally Ellenson.
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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #58 on: January 19, 2016, 09:17:14 AM »

These are the same arguments people were having the last couple of years with regard to other players.  It seems like you want to have your curiosity satisfied more than anything, and you are saying things like "body language" to justify if he should actually play.

 I'm saying check out his "body Language" and draw your own conclusion.  I don't know what goes on in practice, and don't know the game plan, and how Sacar fits in it.  So I don't know if  he should play or not.  But in game ending minutes in Big Losses why is  he the only guy to not get on the floor.  It's rough in the locker room when guys are rehashing the game and you don't have much to say.  It's wearing!

As I said before, I believe this is similar to Coach K and Semi.  I'm wondering if the commitment between him and Wojo is the same as it was at the beginning of the season.  So far the only things I can see is he is not playing and checking out his body language for any indication if the commitment has changed.

No big deal, just drawing tendencies of what I SEE and what I have seen.  There are my observations, that all..
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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #59 on: January 19, 2016, 09:19:35 AM »
My comment was not meant to be negative about Anim.  It was meant to say that he must be very athletic if the coach thinks he may be the most athletic guy on a roster that has Wally Ellenson.

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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #60 on: January 19, 2016, 09:55:39 AM »
I'm saying check out his "body Language" and draw your own conclusion.  I don't know what goes on in practice, and don't know the game plan, and how Sacar fits in it.  So I don't know if  he should play or not.  But in game ending minutes in Big Losses why is  he the only guy to not get on the floor.  It's rough in the locker room when guys are rehashing the game and you don't have much to say.  It's wearing!

As I said before, I believe this is similar to Coach K and Semi.  I'm wondering if the commitment between him and Wojo is the same as it was at the beginning of the season.  So far the only things I can see is he is not playing and checking out his body language for any indication if the commitment has changed.

No big deal, just drawing tendencies of what I SEE and what I have seen.  There are my observations, that all..

Not saying this applies to Anim but if a player doesn't work hard in practice or doesn't put in extra time or has poor body language  ::) then throwing him some garbage minutes is not going to do anything to alleviate that. This isn't elementary school where the coach rotates in a new 5 every few minutes to keep thing fair. It's D1 basketball. You don't give a player minutes because you're worried about him feeling sorry for himself listening to the better players discuss the game in the locker room. That's asinine! Toughen up! You give him minutes if and when he earns them and/or when he's ready to contribute.

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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #61 on: January 19, 2016, 11:09:21 AM »
I don't put anything into body language at all unless I know the person.  If he is active and engaged, that doesn't necessarily mean he is happy, and if he looks to be sulking, that doesn't necessarily mean anything either.

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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #62 on: January 19, 2016, 11:45:26 AM »
Not saying this applies to Anim but if a player doesn't work hard in practice or doesn't put in extra time or has poor body language  ::) then throwing him some garbage minutes is not going to do anything to alleviate that. This isn't elementary school where the coach rotates in a new 5 every few minutes to keep thing fair. It's D1 basketball. You don't give a player minutes because you're worried about him feeling sorry for himself listening to the better players discuss the game in the locker room. That's asinine! Toughen up! You give him minutes if and when he earns them and/or when he's ready to contribute.

You may be right, all I'm saying as I seen it before, and in that case saw the  the result of it.
It's the coach's decision, he's the boss.  I believe for every action there is a reaction and that reactions  vary.  As an observer all I know he is not playing and I'm trying to interpret his body language as to what I think it might be saying.

I think there was a Big Daddy post(He seem to lean on his broom and listens) about Sacar That he was not Frustrated but Disappointed.
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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #63 on: January 19, 2016, 11:48:44 AM »
I don't put anything into body language at all unless I know the person.  If he is active and engaged, that doesn't necessarily mean he is happy, and if he looks to be sulking, that doesn't necessarily mean anything either.

 Your right, the key word being "Necessarily".
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« Reply #64 on: January 19, 2016, 11:59:04 AM »
I don't put anything into body language at all unless I know the person.  If he is active and engaged, that doesn't necessarily mean he is happy, and if he looks to be sulking, that doesn't necessarily mean anything either.

Agree.  Inferring attitude or emotions from the body language of a total stranger is an exercise in futility.

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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #65 on: January 19, 2016, 12:01:26 PM »
Body language? OK ... but is he slapping five?
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« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2016, 12:13:04 PM »
Body language? OK ... but is he slapping fivethe floor?

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« Reply #67 on: January 19, 2016, 12:20:56 PM »
Duane's grandmother died last week.  An ounce of slack, please. 
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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #68 on: January 19, 2016, 01:52:30 PM »
He's the only 1 who doesn't play because we only have 10 eligible scholarship players( I'm not including Mache).

If we had a full roster there would be 3 or 4 guys that wouldn't play much or at all.

He isn't playing because at this point other guys are better.

It really isn't that hard to figure out. This isn't CYO ball.

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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #69 on: January 19, 2016, 01:56:41 PM »
Duane reminds me of Mayo...not exactly the same game but that same feeling of "Flashes of brilliance but he's really hurtin the cause".

I'm willing to give him another year to mature.

I just wish he'd drive more than shooting threes.

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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #70 on: January 19, 2016, 02:13:33 PM »
For a 14-game stretch (LSU thru Nova), Duane shot 40.3% from 3 (29-72).

The young man can shoot. Let's not overreact to a 1-10 performance. 


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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #71 on: January 19, 2016, 02:16:49 PM »
Duane reminds me of Mayo...not exactly the same game but that same feeling of "Flashes of brilliance but he's really hurtin the cause".

I'm willing to give him another year to mature.

I just wish he'd drive more than shooting threes.

Fine with him driving, as long as he does a good amount of dishing. He must have had 4 or 5 layups blocked against St. John's. Could be what has scared him to the outside the past couple games.

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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #72 on: January 19, 2016, 02:34:36 PM »
I think Anim's problem is that he gets out of position on defense. He did get in against Seton Hall and immediately fouled Whitehead when Whitehead drove between him and another defender. He was immediately taken out and did not return. I did think on that play he was more of a victim than anything and felt bad for him. The first part of the season I thought Wilson seemed very disinterested when he was playing. I think he is now past that, but I am sure he had a lot of pride to swallow when Wojo started the freshmen guards over him. Sure he gets his minutes, but not starting had to hurt. Although Wilson played point guard as a senior in high school, he was never really a point guard. I think we win two games this year we are not expecting to win. One where Wilson goes off for 30 and another where Henry goes off for 30.

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Re: Please, Coach
« Reply #73 on: January 19, 2016, 02:52:09 PM »
....... I think we win two games this year we are not expecting to win. One where Wilson goes off for 30 and another where Henry goes off for 30.

I like this thinking.