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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 07, 2017, 11:14:40 AM
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RIP MVC.
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RIP MVC.
Pretty much has become a one-bid league.
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Pretty much has become a one-bid league.
Yea, now Illinois State doesn't need to try to find a bunch of teams to play to boost their resume.
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RIP MVC.
MVC will be fine. ;)
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Yea, now Illinois State doesn't need to try to find a bunch of teams to play to boost their resume.
+1
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The MVC remnants are utter dreck.
After Illinois State at 49, the highest MVC school in KenPom is Loyola Chicago at 98.
Southern Illinois hasn't danced in 10 years.
Bradley hasn't danced in 11 years.
Evansville hasn't danced in 18 years.
Missouri State hasn't danced in 18 years.
Illinois State hasn't danced in 19 years.
Loyola hasn't danced in 32 years.
Indiana State has won one NCAA Tournament game in 38 years (Beating Oklahoma in 2001).
Drake has played in one NCAA Tournament game in 46 years (which it lost in 2008).
Northern Iowa, with appearances in 2015 and 2016 is a juggernaut by comparison.
As far as replacements for Wichita State go:
Favorite: Belmont
Dark Horses: Valpo, Oakland, UW-Milwaukee? SLU?
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Really think Wichita State will sustain success? Were they good 5 years ago? Maybe someone knows something I don't about Wichita. Although guess you could argue about Creighton too.
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Really think Wichita State will sustain success? Were they good 5 years ago? Maybe someone knows something I don't about Wichita. Although guess you could argue about Creighton too.
Even if Marshall bolts, WSU will be better than the dregs of the AAC.
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They were pretty good under Mark Turgeon as well.
They have the Koch Brothers as donors so they are a well supported institution.
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Really think Wichita State will sustain success? Were they good 5 years ago? Maybe someone knows something I don't about Wichita.
That was the start of the run. Since 1988, tourney bids 2006, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 & 2017.
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They have the Koch Brothers as donors so they are a well supported institution.
Yup. Koch Industries headquarters are in Wichita and they rely heavily on graduates from Wichita State. As long as Koch remains in Wichita the Shockers will be relevant.
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Uconn
Cincy
Temple
Memphis
Wichita State
That's not a horrible top 5 of brands. And SMU could be good too (not sure if they sustain it). The American is not all that bad. Feels Conference USA-y. It's better than you give it credit for.
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Uconn
Cincy
Temple
Memphis
Wichita State
That's not a horrible top 5 of brands. And SMU could be good too (not sure if they sustain it). The American is not all that bad. Feels Conference USA-y. It's better than you give it credit for.
The problem is the bottom 5 or so are awful.
Eastern Carolina
Tulane
Tulsa
South Florida
Central Florida
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The problem is the bottom 5 or so are awful.
Eastern Carolina
Tulane
Tulsa
South Florida
Central Florida
That's better than the bottom half of the MVC.
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That's better than the bottom half of the MVC.
No doubt about it
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Wichita St. is probably chasing football money.
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Central Florida was pretty good this season. Love the 7'6 guy. Tacko Fall!
Wasn't Tulsa in the NCAA Tournament in 2016?
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good thing they ain't the warriors, the ACC would have none of that- eyyn'a?
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AAC is a joke
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This is shocking to me.
Da doom pssshh..
But on a somewhat more serious note, I wonder to what extent (if any) adding WSU was a move to placate UCONN
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Why anyone would affirmatively want to join the AAC's cast of misfits is beyond me.
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Schools like Cincinnati, Tulane, Tulsa and UConn must be really swallowing their pride in admitting one of the worst academic institutions into their conference. Further proof that the American is just a group of misfit toys clinging together for survival.
I hope ESPN doesn't give them a substantial raise.
It must really burn those schools, which we left behind, that we make $5 million to their $1.7 million.
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Schools like Cincinnati, Tulane, Tulsa and UConn must be really swallowing their pride in admitting one of the worst academic institutions into their conference. Further proof that the American is just a group of misfit toys clinging together for survival.
I hope ESPN doesn't give them a substantial raise.
It must really burn those schools, which we left behind, that we make $5 million to their $1.7 million.
I doubt Cinncy cares about WSU academic reputation. Remember how many Basketball player graduated under Huggy's regime? As I recall it wasn't a very big number.......AAC is simply re-arranging deck chair on the Titanic.
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I doubt Cinncy cares about WSU academic reputation. Remember how many Basketball player graduated under Huggy's regime? As I recall it wasn't a very big number.......AAC is simply re-arranging deck chair on the Titanic.
And how did Huggy's tenure end at Cincinnati? With his dismissal, mostly due to the academic reputation his teams had.
Agree 100% on the AAC/Titanic comparison. It will never be a power conference, nor will it ever be a long-term fit for the current configuration of schools. The power conferences are making $25 million-plus annually on TV deals. The American, and the rest of the G5, are scrapping by making, at most, $2 million. With each passing year, these power conference wannabes get closer and closer to being eliminated from the race.
When you see schools like Rutgers, Washington State, Wake Forest and Kansas State making 10x the amount of a UConn, Memphis, Houston and East Carolina, it is only a matter of time before a new division within FBS is created. The money being spent and the exposure and prestige is clearly on one side of the fence - and the teams in the American are on the wrong side of it.
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S U P E R B A R
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Why anyone would affirmatively want to join the AAC's cast of misfits is beyond me.
Because it is a better conference than the MVC.
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Schools like Cincinnati, Tulane, Tulsa and UConn must be really swallowing their pride in admitting one of the worst academic institutions into their conference. Further proof that the American is just a group of misfit toys clinging together for survival.
I hope ESPN doesn't give them a substantial raise.
It must really burn those schools, which we left behind, that we make $5 million to their $1.7 million.
"one of the worst academic institutions..." ?
are they? ivy league they are not, but maybe if they had some of the same "tutors" UNC had, they'd be better? dirty secret-many of the b-ball players don't go for the education
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Jon Rothstein reported that they are looking at Valpo and Murray State. They will go with a round robin, 20 game conference schedule.
If that is the case, they will still have no teams in the watershed of the Missouri River.
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Jon Rothstein reported that they are looking at Valpo and Murray State. They will go with a round robin, 20 game conference schedule.
If that is the case, they will still have no teams in the watershed of the Missouri River.
Thats ok, the Big Ten and the Big 12 don't live up to their names either. ;). At least the BE will always be east of something.
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Valpo, Murray St. Belmont all make a lot of sense for AAC.
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Valpo, Murray St. Belmont all make a lot of sense for AAC.
You know while that conference would actually be very interesting. I wonder what type of respect the NCAA would give it
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You know while that conference would actually be very interesting. I wonder what type of respect the NCAA would give it
That I can't say. But all three are terrific programs.
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The two conferences most negatively affected by conference realignment have been the MVC and CAA. From multi bid leagues with final four teams to single bid, double digit seed leagues in less than 5 years.
Delaney wanted to destroy the Big 12 and Big East when he started realignment and he ended up killing two mid majors and a hockey conference instead. He needs to be fornicated with an iron stick.
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Delaney didn't want to destroy the Big East nor the Big 12. The B12's problems were completely self inflicted and the B10, SEC and P12 benefited. And the BE was broken long before he looked east.
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Delaney didn't want to destroy the Big East nor the Big 12. The B12's problems were completely self inflicted and the B10, SEC and P12 benefited. And the BE was broken long before he looked east.
Wrong. He took Nebraska and has been targeting Texas for years. With the Big East he invited Syracuse and then took Rutgers. He, with Slive of the SEC (which took A&M and Mizzou) wanted four 16 team conferences and the Big 12 was the one to go. Delaney also wanted the Big East out if the way to get Notre Dame and MSG. Facts.
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The two conferences most negatively affected by conference realignment have been the MVC and CAA. From multi bid leagues with final four teams to single bid, double digit seed leagues in less than 5 years.
Delaney wanted to destroy the Big 12 and Big East when he started realignment and he ended up killing two mid majors and a hockey conference instead. He needs to be fornicated with an iron stick.
give him the iron stick shocka.
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Wrong. He took Nebraska and has been targeting Texas for years. With the Big East he invited Syracuse and then took Rutgers. He, with Slive of the SEC (which took A&M and Mizzou) wanted four 16 team conferences and the Big 12 was the one to go. Delaney also wanted the Big East out if the way to get Notre Dame and MSG. Facts.
Sorry but multiple "facts" are wrong. Syracuse never invited and the B10 is actually in a partnership with BE. Notre Dame was all about football.
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Wrong. He took Nebraska and has been targeting Texas for years. With the Big East he invited Syracuse and then took Rutgers. He, with Slive of the SEC (which took A&M and Mizzou) wanted four 16 team conferences and the Big 12 was the one to go. Delaney also wanted the Big East out if the way to get Notre Dame and MSG. ALTERNATIVE Facts.
FIFY ;)
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Wichita St. is probably chasing football money.
What football money?
Interesting tidbit from a Wichita paper.
Q: Is football coming back?
A: Football began to drop from the discussion at Wichita State last fall as officials decided deciding on conference affiliation had to come first.
While the football question won’t go away, university president John Bardo put it far down the list of priorities. There is no urgency to delve into that complicated sport when the athletic department is faced with a new reality.
“For us, this is a major change,” Bardo said. “We are not going to talk about football for awhile. My excitement and interest, right now, is let’s do this right. Then let’s come back and talk about other things later.”
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The MVC remnants are utter dreck.
After Illinois State at 49, the highest MVC school in KenPom is Loyola Chicago at 98.
Southern Illinois hasn't danced in 10 years.
Bradley hasn't danced in 11 years.
Evansville hasn't danced in 18 years.
Missouri State hasn't danced in 18 years.
Illinois State hasn't danced in 19 years.
Loyola hasn't danced in 32 years.
Indiana State has won one NCAA Tournament game in 38 years (Beating Oklahoma in 2001).
Drake has played in one NCAA Tournament game in 46 years (which it lost in 2008).
Northern Iowa, with appearances in 2015 and 2016 is a juggernaut by comparison.
As far as replacements for Wichita State go:
Favorite: Belmont
Dark Horses: Valpo, Oakland, UW-Milwaukee? SLU?
UMKC is lobbying for consideration. Long term they may be a smart play.
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That's better than the bottom half of the MVC.
Not really. The average KenPom rating of the bottom 5 teams in the American is almost identical to the bottom 5 teams in the MVC.
2016-17 Bottom 5 MVC teams
#154 Evansville
#169 Northern Iowa
#199 Indiana State
#217 Bradley
#258 Drake
Average = 199.4
2016-17 Bottom 5 American teams
#118 Temple
#144 Tulsa
#191 East Carolina
#241 Tulane
#292 South Florida
Average = 197.2
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Not really. The average KenPom rating of the bottom 5 teams in the American is almost identical to the bottom 5 teams in the MVC.
2016-17 Bottom 5 MVC teams
#154 Evansville
#169 Northern Iowa
#199 Indiana State
#217 Bradley
#258 Drake
Average = 199.4
2016-17 Bottom 5 American teams
#118 Temple
#144 Tulsa
#191 East Carolina
#241 Tulane
#292 South Florida
Average = 197.2
I remember when Larry Williams made those hilarious comments about Tulane when they were added to the Big East.
I shutter to think where Marquette would be today if the C7 would somehow forced to recreate the Big East with the likes of Tulane, East Carolina, UCF, USF, Houston and SMU. No way does the Big East keep its prestigious basketball brand or reputation with those programs added. Those schools would have surely lowered the expectations and standards of the league, thus causing the C7 to slide even further down chain because of realignment. Those schools just don't value basketball, nor do they put in the resources to allow it to become successful long-term.
Butler/Creighton/Xavier > Tulane, East Carolina, UCF, USF, SMU, Houston x 10000
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The Big East's top three recruiting classes for 2017 coincidently are Xavier, Butler and Creighton. Smart choices were made when adding to the Catholic seven.
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What football money?
Interesting tidbit from a Wichita paper.
Q: Is football coming back?
A: Football began to drop from the discussion at Wichita State last fall as officials decided deciding on conference affiliation had to come first.
While the football question won’t go away, university president John Bardo put it far down the list of priorities. There is no urgency to delve into that complicated sport when the athletic department is faced with a new reality.
“For us, this is a major change,” Bardo said. “We are not going to talk about football for awhile. My excitement and interest, right now, is let’s do this right. Then let’s come back and talk about other things later.”
Interesting. Thanks for posting. Not long ago, the university president was tweeting pictures of a Wichita State football helmet. Maybe they actually sat down and ran some of the hard numbers.
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Interesting. Thanks for posting. Not long ago, the university president was tweeting pictures of a Wichita State football helmet. Maybe they actually sat down and ran some of the hard numbers.
Wichita State backers have said they would write the check for football if that is the direction the school decides to go. It is good to have a rich backer.
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Wichita State backers have said they would write the check for football if that is the direction the school decides to go. It is good to have a rich backer.
These things always make me chuckle. Every school has some big time backer that allows them to afford anything. It's always "Don't you know about Phil Knight" or "T. Boone Pickens" or all the SMU donors, or someone's massive alumni base, or the billionaires that have supported our own programs.
Every program has big backers, but those backers are wealthy because they aren't stupid and don't toss money around haphazardly. Money is always an issue. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.
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These things always make me chuckle. Every school has some big time backer that allows them to afford anything. It's always "Don't you know about Phil Knight" or "T. Boone Pickens" or all the SMU donors, or someone's massive alumni base, or the billionaires that have supported our own programs.
Every program has big backers, but those backers are wealthy because they aren't stupid and don't toss money around haphazardly. Money is always an issue. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.
Wichita State backers actually have a business reason for supporting the school. They are forthright in their intentions.
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Wichita State backers actually have a business reason for supporting the school. They are forthright in their intentions.
Changes nothing of what I said.
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Interesting. Thanks for posting. Not long ago, the university president was tweeting pictures of a Wichita State football helmet. Maybe they actually sat down and ran some of the hard numbers.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/article86293007.html
Wichita State did a $60,000 feasibility study last year.
Per the report, start-up facility costs would be approximately $40 million, and the football team's annual budget would start at $6 million.
"For FCS (formerly Division I-AA) football, the study estimates first-year expenses of $238,500 for coaches salaries and recruiting. After a year of preparation and one of practice, expenses rise to $5.8 million for the first season of play and $6.5 million for the second season."
"For FBS football, the costs increase from $585,451 after the sport is announced to $10.5 million five years later. In that scenario, salary for coaches account for $2.5 million of the fifth-year budget. By the fifth year, the report projects revenue of $2.5 million.
The report said WSU would likely need to add one or more women’s sports and lists soccer, swimming and diving, rowing and bowling (both currently non-NCAA sports at WSU) as examples. The women’s additions would be to satisfy Title IX, the 1972 law enacted to ensure gender equity at publicly-funded schools."
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Wichita State backers have said they would write the check for football if that is the direction the school decides to go. It is good to have a rich backer.
it's not "the check"...it's multiple checks, likely over the entirety of the life of the football program.
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Right now, Wichita State students pay $1,410 in student fees per year. It's safe to say that if they decide to add football, they would increase this by a couple hundred dollars a year to help cover the cost.
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Football at WSU?
Wichitalkin bout, Willis?
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http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/article86293007.html
Wichita State did a $60,000 feasibility study last year.
Per the report, start-up facility costs would be approximately $40 million, and the football team's annual budget would start at $6 million.
"For FCS (formerly Division I-AA) football, the study estimates first-year expenses of $238,500 for coaches salaries and recruiting. After a year of preparation and one of practice, expenses rise to $5.8 million for the first season of play and $6.5 million for the second season."
"For FBS football, the costs increase from $585,451 after the sport is announced to $10.5 million five years later. In that scenario, salary for coaches account for $2.5 million of the fifth-year budget. By the fifth year, the report projects revenue of $2.5 million.
The report said WSU would likely need to add one or more women’s sports and lists soccer, swimming and diving, rowing and bowling (both currently non-NCAA sports at WSU) as examples. The women’s additions would be to satisfy Title IX, the 1972 law enacted to ensure gender equity at publicly-funded schools."
substitute "MU" for "WSU" and this, in a nutshell, is why Marquette will never, ever, have NCAA Football again.
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substitute "MU" for "WSU" and this, in a nutshell, is why Marquette will never, ever, have NCAA Football again.
Good point. Football is a money loser for the vast majority of universities. A recent NCAA report stated that only 20 of the 120 Division I FBS programs showed positive net revenues.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/growth-division-i-athletics-expenses-outpaces-revenue-increases (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/growth-division-i-athletics-expenses-outpaces-revenue-increases)
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Good point. Football is a money loser for the vast majority of universities. A recent NCAA report stated that only 20 of the 120 Division I FBS programs showed positive net revenues.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/growth-division-i-athletics-expenses-outpaces-revenue-increases (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/growth-division-i-athletics-expenses-outpaces-revenue-increases)
Football, and all of intercollegiate athletics, are more of a marketing expense rather than an operational one.
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Football, and all of intercollegiate athletics, are more of a marketing expense rather than an operational one.
True, but I don't think Wichita St. would get much marketing synergy from lower level FB.
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True, but I don't think Wichita St. would get much marketing synergy from lower level FB.
And neither would MU.
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substitute "MU" for "WSU" and this, in a nutshell, is why Marquette will never, ever, have NCAA Football again.
Dropping Football was one of the three great mistakes MU made over the last 57 years.
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Dropping Football was one of the three great mistakes MU made over the last 57 years.
Couldn't disagree more. I shouldn't even ask, but what in your mind are the other two?
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Couldn't disagree more. I shouldn't even ask, but what in your mind are the other two?
IIRC dropping the medical school and the Warriors.
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Couldn't disagree more. I shouldn't even ask, but what in your mind are the other two?
Dropping the Medical School and not closing off Wisconsin Avenue.
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Dropping the Medical School and not closing off Wisconsin Avenue.
IIRC dropping the medical school and the Warriors.
Wrong on all 3 counts.
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IIRC dropping the medical school and the Warriors.
Not firing Wojo and making Stan HC
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Wrong on all 3 counts.
Our US News ranking , endowment and overall prestige of the University would have been much higher. I still think we should try and do all three.
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Our US News ranking , endowment and overall prestige of the University would have been much higher. I still think we should try and do all three.
So how many spots would closing Wisconsin Avenue bump us up? I will accept an estimate.
Make sure you factor in the resulting increase in crime.
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Not firing Wojo and making Stan HC
Was thinking giving McCarthy and Cosby their degrees.
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Was thinking giving McCarthy and Cosby their degrees.
For the record, Cosby has been given dozens of honorary degrees and Marquette was the first one to revoke theirs.
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Closing Wisconsin Avenue to create a more cohesive campus was an idea Marquette floated. It was not Marquette's decision to make.
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So how many spots would closing Wisconsin Avenue bump us up? I will accept an estimate.
Make sure you factor in the resulting increase in crime.
Oh the crime thing doesn't really need to be factored in. It's getting pretty rough around MU's campus more so recently. It's a shame.
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So how many spots would closing Wisconsin Avenue bump us up? I will accept an estimate.
Make sure you factor in the resulting increase in crime.
Here are my US News Bump Estimates for each:
1. Medical School up 25-35
2. Wisconsin Avenue up 5-10
3. Football up 3-5
I know you believe crime will increase. I have the opposite view, I believe crime would decrease. I have asked this question to campus security and they agree.
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Oh the crime thing doesn't really need to be factored in. It's getting pretty rough around MU's campus more so recently. It's a shame.
Really? I graduated in 2012, so not THAT recent, but I never in my four years felt threatened at all. And 2 of those years I lived on State.
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Really? I graduated in 2012, so not THAT recent, but I never in my four years felt threatened at all. And 2 of those years I lived on State.
Man I don't know. Maybe it's just irrational thoughts on my part. But I'm getting atleast an email or two a week about muggings, possible shootings, car break ins or break ins.
But it could be over reaction
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Man I don't know. Maybe it's just irrational thoughts on my part. But I'm getting atleast an email or two a week about muggings, possible shootings, car break ins or break ins.
But it could be over reaction
Certainly possible it has gotten worse.
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Man I don't know. Maybe it's just irrational thoughts on my part. But I'm getting atleast an email or two a week about muggings, possible shootings, car break ins or break ins.
But it could be over reaction
Just remember that Marquette is legally bound by the Clery Act to send "timely warnings" about criminal activities in the area. That being said, what an institution determines is reportable is up to interpretation. So Marquette could have changed their criteria making it seem like activity is increasing.
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Man I don't know. Maybe it's just irrational thoughts on my part. But I'm getting atleast an email or two a week about muggings, possible shootings, car break ins or break ins.
But it could be over reaction
I have been in and around MU consistently since 2002 and It feels pretty much the same on the crime front to me but who knows.
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Oh the crime thing doesn't really need to be factored in. It's getting pretty rough around MU's campus more so recently. It's a shame.
And your evidence is... what?
Actually, the crime rate has plummeted on and around campus in the past couple of years, especially since Public Safety became the Marquette University Police Department.
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For the record, Cosby has been given dozens of honorary degrees and Marquette was the first one to revoke theirs.
Then it was the Philly bumble who gave him the degree in the first place seven years AFTER the first Cosby settlement which was very public.
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And your evidence is... what?
Actually, the crime rate has plummeted on and around campus in the past couple of years, especially since Public Safety became the Marquette University Police Department.
Please see previous post based on number of weekly emails I get about crime type events on campus.
And as others have said, there may be a difference based on how they consider crimes now.
Sorry if you disagree. I'm just going off what I've been seeing during my time in grad school.
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Oh, you mean this?
Man I don't know. Maybe it's just irrational thoughts on my part. But I'm getting atleast an email or two a week about muggings, possible shootings, car break ins or break ins.
But it could be over reaction
I believe that is what is commonly known as "anecdotal evidence".
Here are some actual statistics:
https://news.marquette.edu/news-releases/marquette-university-police-department-reports-significant-drop-in-crime-during-first-full-year/
Marquette University Police Department reports significant drop in crime during first full year
September 20, 2016
MILWAUKEE — During its first full year since it was commissioned, the Marquette University Police Department recorded a significant reduction in crime throughout its patrol zone.
Comparing the fiscal year that ended June 30, 2016 with the previous fiscal year, MUPD’s crime reduction highlights included the following:
42% decrease in robberies
62% decrease in battery/assault
23% decrease in burglaries
“Ensuring a safe environment is a top priority for Marquette University, and I’m incredibly proud of all the work our officers have done on behalf of our entire community, including our students, faculty and staff,” said MUPD Chief Paul Mascari. “We take a comprehensive approach to community policing, which includes specialized training in subjects such as crisis intervention, outreach to members of our homeless population and fair and impartial policing. We are committed to Marquette’s mission, which calls us to serve and care for others.”
These statistics include activity in MUPD’s patrol zone, which extends beyond Marquette’s campus to include a significant portion of the surrounding community. They compare the most recent fiscal year, spanning July 1, 2015 to June 30, 2016, to the previous fiscal year, spanning July 1, 2014 through June 30, 2015.
MUPD became a commissioned police department on May 1, 2015.
The department currently has 40 commissioned officers who receive the state-mandated 520 hours of training, as well as a psychological review, medical evaluation and drug test. All officers also receive training in homeless outreach, crisis intervention and fair and impartial policing.
Prior to becoming a commissioned police department, Marquette’s former Department of Public Safety spent 15 years building an extensive safety infrastructure which includes more than 700 cameras, over 450 blue light emergency phones, a state-of-the-art command center, campus-wide text alert system and a nationally recognized student safety program.
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I'm amazed at how relevant Marquette's crime statistics are to the discussion regarding Wichita State joining the AAC.
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Oh, you mean this?
I believe that is what is commonly known as "anecdotal evidence".
Here are some actual statistics:
https://news.marquette.edu/news-releases/marquette-university-police-department-reports-significant-drop-in-crime-during-first-full-year/
Marquette University Police Department reports significant drop in crime during first full year
September 20, 2016
MILWAUKEE — During its first full year since it was commissioned, the Marquette University Police Department recorded a significant reduction in crime throughout its patrol zone.
Comparing the fiscal year that ended June 30, 2016 with the previous fiscal year, MUPD’s crime reduction highlights included the following:
42% decrease in robberies
62% decrease in battery/assault
23% decrease in burglaries
“Ensuring a safe environment is a top priority for Marquette University, and I’m incredibly proud of all the work our officers have done on behalf of our entire community, including our students, faculty and staff,” said MUPD Chief Paul Mascari. “We take a comprehensive approach to community policing, which includes specialized training in subjects such as crisis intervention, outreach to members of our homeless population and fair and impartial policing. We are committed to Marquette’s mission, which calls us to serve and care for others.”
These statistics include activity in MUPD’s patrol zone, which extends beyond Marquette’s campus to include a significant portion of the surrounding community. They compare the most recent fiscal year, spanning July 1, 2015 to June 30, 2016, to the previous fiscal year, spanning July 1, 2014 through June 30, 2015.
MUPD became a commissioned police department on May 1, 2015.
The department currently has 40 commissioned officers who receive the state-mandated 520 hours of training, as well as a psychological review, medical evaluation and drug test. All officers also receive training in homeless outreach, crisis intervention and fair and impartial policing.
Prior to becoming a commissioned police department, Marquette’s former Department of Public Safety spent 15 years building an extensive safety infrastructure which includes more than 700 cameras, over 450 blue light emergency phones, a state-of-the-art command center, campus-wide text alert system and a nationally recognized student safety program.
Super cool thanks you're so good at this stuff. Should have ran past you first.
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Here are my US News Bump Estimates for each:
1. Medical School up 25-35
2. Wisconsin Avenue up 5-10
3. Football up 3-5
I know you believe crime will increase. I have the opposite view, I believe crime would decrease. I have asked this question to campus security and they agree.
The only thing that might be right is the medical school.
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Couldn't disagree more. I shouldn't even ask, but what in your mind are the other two?
Dropping the Block Party
Hiring Dukiet
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Dropping Football was one of the three great mistakes MU made over the last 57 years.
When did avoiding bankruptcy become a mistake?
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Man I don't know. Maybe it's just irrational thoughts on my part. But I'm getting atleast an email or two a week about muggings, possible shootings, car break ins or break ins.
But it could be over reaction
Likely false news sent out by Badger trolls financed by Russia. There's a reason Wisconisn wears red.
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Our US News ranking , endowment and overall prestige of the University would have been much higher. I still think we should try and do all three.
I recommend starting with football first since it is likely to be cheaper than either starting a med school from scratch or gaining control of enough Wisconsin Legistlature seats to get the closing of Wisconsin avenue approved.
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I recommend starting with football first since it is likely to be cheaper than either starting a med school from scratch or gaining control of enough Wisconsin Legistlature seats to get the closing of Wisconsin avenue approved.
I don't know much about what it takes to add a med school but given the prestige and how advanced our Nursing and PT programs are isn't there a pretty solid foundation set already?
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Here are my US News Bump Estimates for each:
1. Medical School up 25-35
2. Wisconsin Avenue up 5-10
3. Football up 3-5
I know you believe crime will increase. I have the opposite view, I believe crime would decrease. I have asked this question to campus security and they agree.
1. Facts are beautiful things. I did a little research on my lunch hour, and discovered that there were 6 Universities in the top 150 of USNR that opened up medical schools in the last decade. I made a little table of how their rankings changed.
University Med School Established Ranking before Med School Ranking in 2017 Spots Risen (Dropped)
UC Riverside 2008 96 118 (22)
Virginia Tech 2008 71 74 3
U of South Carolina 2012 115 107 8
Arizona 2012 124 124 -
Texas 2013 46 56 (10)
Washington State 2015 138 143 (5)
Yeah I am not seeing the 25-35 spot jump.
2. I have never seen or heard an opinion by anyone remotely connected to Marquette campus security that believes closing Wisconsin Avenue would improve security. If they did that, there are places on campus where the closet patrol car would always be several blocks away and well out of the line of sight of anyone in a patrol car. Who are these "campus security" types of whom you speak?
3. Having a money-sucking sport like football would take resources away from academic programs, and likely slow the growth of the endowment, and that is definitely something that would negatively impact our ranking.
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Damn chick, great info all around on this thread
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1. Facts are beautiful things. I did a little research on my lunch hour, and discovered that there were 6 Universities in the top 150 of USNR that opened up medical schools in the last decade. I made a little table of how their rankings changed.
University Med School Established Ranking before Med School Ranking in 201 Spots Risen (Dropped)
UC Riverside 2008 96 118 (22)
Virginia Tech 2008 71 74 3
U of South Carolina 2012 115 107 8
Arizona 2012 124 124 -
Texas 2013 46 56 (10)
Washington State 2015 138 143 (5)
Yeah I am not seeing the 25-30 spot jump.
2. I have never seen or heard an opinion by anyone remotely connected to Marquette campus security that believes closing Wisconsin Avenue would improve security. If they did that, there are places on campus where the closet patrol car would always be several blocks away and well out of the line of sight of anyone in a patrol car. Who are these "campus security" types of whom you speak?
3. Having a money-sucking sport like football would take resources away from academic programs, and likely slow the growth of the endowment, and that is definitely something that would negatively impact our ranking.
Short of the President he seems to talk to everyone in US
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1. Facts are beautiful things. I did a little research on my lunch hour, and discovered that there were 6 Universities in the top 150 of USNR that opened up medical schools in the last decade. I made a little table of how their rankings changed.
University Med School Established Ranking before Med School Ranking in 201 Spots Risen (Dropped)
UC Riverside 2008 96 118 (22)
Virginia Tech 2008 71 74 3
U of South Carolina 2012 115 107 8
Arizona 2012 124 124 -
Texas 2013 46 56 (10)
Washington State 2015 138 143 (5)
Yeah I am not seeing the 25-30 spot jump.
2. I have never seen or heard an opinion by anyone remotely connected to Marquette campus security that believes closing Wisconsin Avenue would improve security. If they did that, there are places on campus where the closet patrol car would always be several blocks away and well out of the line of sight of anyone in a patrol car. Who are these "campus security" types of whom you speak?
3. Having a money-sucking sport like football would take resources away from academic programs, and likely slow the growth of the endowment, and that is definitely something that would negatively impact our ranking.
Bravo. Thanks for sharing.
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Short of the President he seems to talk to everyone in US
It's not that hard when the voices all emanate from inside your own head
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It's not that hard when the voices all emanate from inside your own head
Haha! It keeps things fresh for him.
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I recommend starting with football first since it is likely to be cheaper than either starting a med school from scratch or gaining control of enough Wisconsin Legistlature seats to get the closing of Wisconsin avenue approved.
It's not the Legislature (most of whom dislike or don't acknowledge MU) but the City Council. In 1995 they voted 9-8, with the rep who represented MU, casting the deciding vote against closing Wisconsin Ave. MU has since given up on it happening.
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It's not the Legislature (most of whom dislike or don't acknowledge MU) but the City Council. In 1995 they voted 9-8, with the rep who represented MU, casting the deciding vote against closing Wisconsin Ave. MU has since given up on it happening.
I don't think it is that MU gave up as much as they realized it wasn't such a great idea after all.
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1. Facts are beautiful things. I did a little research on my lunch hour, and discovered that there were 6 Universities in the top 150 of USNR that opened up medical schools in the last decade. I made a little table of how their rankings changed.
University Med School Established Ranking before Med School Ranking in 2017 Spots Risen (Dropped)
UC Riverside 2008 96 118 (22)
Virginia Tech 2008 71 74 3
U of South Carolina 2012 115 107 8
Arizona 2012 124 124 -
Texas 2013 46 56 (10)
Washington State 2015 138 143 (5)
Yeah I am not seeing the 25-35 spot jump.
2. I have never seen or heard an opinion by anyone remotely connected to Marquette campus security that believes closing Wisconsin Avenue would improve security. If they did that, there are places on campus where the closet patrol car would always be several blocks away and well out of the line of sight of anyone in a patrol car. Who are these "campus security" types of whom you speak?
3. Having a money-sucking sport like football would take resources away from academic programs, and likely slow the growth of the endowment, and that is definitely something that would negatively impact our ranking.
1. We would not be opening a new Medical School. Our former school is now the Medical College of Wisconsin, which is highly regarded and has a very larg endowment . All of that would have enured to our benefit. I believe if we were to put up 50-100 million over a multi year period we could put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Instant prestige.
2. Any security professional will tell you ,and MU security is in agreement, that the criminals have easier escape routes on Wisconsin avenue. That's why lots of crimes are committed on that north campus area above 16th street. Make Wisconsin avenue a pedestrian mall and cops can patrol that with motorcycles bikes etc . Getting rid of the bus stop gets rid of lots of undesirables.
3. Football can be in Pioneer League non scholarship. At that point it is no more expensive than a D3 program and doesn't interfere with title IX We can play in Hart Park and it would be a great deal of fun for everyone. Builds spirit . Works well for Butler.
We need to think Big. small thinking results in stagnation. Lovell and Company are slowly degrading our US News ranking and conning the good hearted people like your self into thinking it's a good thing. We need better performance from Lovell .
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I always knew pioneer league football was the key to academic success.
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It's not the Legislature (most of whom dislike or don't acknowledge MU) but the City Council. In 1995 they voted 9-8, with the rep who represented MU, casting the deciding vote against closing Wisconsin Ave. MU has since given up on it happening.
Because it is a bad idea.
First, Wisconsin Avenue wasn't going to be closed. They were going divert traffic by cutting south diagonally between 20th and 18th Streets to Clybourn Street, then up 11th Street back up to Wisconsin. Here is a map:
http://urbanmilwaukee.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Scan10013.jpg
Second, this was handled by the DiUlio administration in its typical pompous, tone-deaf manner. They basically tried to force it through without lobbying the people that needed to be talked to. Including the local alderman.
So it died the death it deserved.
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1. We would not be opening a new Medical School. Our former school is now the Medical College of Wisconsin, which is highly regarded and has a very larg endowment . All of that would have enured to our benefit. I believe if we were to put up 50-100 million over a multi year period we could put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Instant prestige.
2. Any security professional will tell you ,and MU security is in agreement, that the criminals have easier escape routes on Wisconsin avenue. That's why lots of crimes are committed on that north campus area above 16th street. Make Wisconsin avenue a pedestrian mall and cops can patrol that with motorcycles bikes etc . Getting rid of the bus stop gets rid of lots of undesirables.
3. Football can be in Pioneer League non scholarship. At that point it is no more expensive than a D3 program and doesn't interfere with title IX We can play in Hart Park and it would be a great deal of fun for everyone. Builds spirit . Works well for Butler.
We need to think Big. small thinking results in stagnation. Lovell and Company are slowly degrading our US News ranking and conning the good hearted people like your self into thinking it's a good thing. We need better performance from Lovell .
This is a straight up gross statement.
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This is a straight up gross statement.
Also straight up ignorant. There's a reason Marquette students get MCTS bus passes. Not everyone lives on campus, and having bus access helps some students get to campus in the first place.
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1. Facts are beautiful things. I did a little research on my lunch hour, and discovered that there were 6 Universities in the top 150 of USNR that opened up medical schools in the last decade. I made a little table of how their rankings changed.
University Med School Established Ranking before Med School Ranking in 2017 Spots Risen (Dropped)
UC Riverside 2008 96 118 (22)
Virginia Tech 2008 71 74 3
U of South Carolina 2012 115 107 8
Arizona 2012 124 124 -
Texas 2013 46 56 (10)
Washington State 2015 138 143 (5)
Yeah I am not seeing the 25-35 spot jump.
Establishing a new medical school is way different than continuing to maintain an existing one. I think the better comparison would be the average ratings of the 20 (or 50 or whatever number you choose) top rated universities with medical schools vs the 20 top rated universities without medical schools.
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Establishing a new medical school is way different than continuing to maintain an existing one. I think the better comparison would be the average ratings of the 20 (or 50 or whatever number you choose) top rated universities with medical schools vs the 20 top rated universities without medical schools.
Correlation is not causation.
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Correlation is not causation.
I never said it was.
I was just showing that your numbers related to establishing new medical schools are totally irrelevant to the discussion about the impact of MU cutting the med school loose.
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I never said it was.
I was just showing that your numbers related to establishing new medical schools are totally irrelevant to the discussion about the impact of MU cutting the med school loose.
I agree with this analysis.
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I never said it was.
I was just showing that your numbers related to establishing new medical schools are totally irrelevant to the discussion about the impact of MU cutting the med school loose.
It was not economically feasible. And seeing that more than half of the medical schools located at traditional universities are ranked lower than us, MUFINY is hard pressed to successfully argue that spinning off our medical school costs us 35 spots in the ranking.
Perhaps the both of you should actually read the criteria they use for the rankings. I must be overlooking it, so please point out to me the factors that are even tangentially related to having a medical school.
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It was not economically feasible. And seeing that more than half of the medical schools located at traditional universities are ranked lower than us, MUFINY is hard pressed to successfully argue that spinning off our medical school costs us 35 spots in the ranking.
Perhaps the both of you should actually read the criteria they use for the rankings. I must be overlooking it, so please point out to me the factors that are even tangentially related to having a medical school.
Perhaps you should reread my post...the purpose of which was simply to show that the ranking comparisons you used were totally worthless to make your point.
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Perhaps you should reread my post...the purpose of which was simply to show that the ranking comparisons you used were totally worthless to make your point.
Whatever, dude. At least I supported my position with actual facts.
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Also straight up ignorant. There's a reason Marquette students get MCTS bus passes. Not everyone lives on campus, and having bus access helps some students get to campus in the first place.
Agreed, ignorant putting it mildly
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Whatever, dude. At least I supported my position with actual facts.
Actual irrelevant facts. Congratulations.
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Establishing a new medical school is way different than continuing to maintain an existing one. I think the better comparison would be the average ratings of the 20 (or 50 or whatever number you choose) top rated universities with medical schools vs the 20 top rated universities without medical schools.
Actually MUFINY said this: "Our US News ranking , endowment and overall prestige of the University would have been much higher. I still think we should try and do all three."
So I think the supposition that warriorchick was working with was "restablishing" or "reacquiring" MCW would help Marquette's rankings.
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Actually MUFINY said this: "Our US News ranking , endowment and overall prestige of the University would have been much higher. I still think we should try and do all three."
So I think the supposition that warriorchick was working with was "restablishing" or "reacquiring" MCW would help Marquette's rankings.
Reacquiring MCW still wouldn't be the same as starting a med school from scratch. There are tons of lead-up costs - establishing NIH funding, building research programs and teaching faculty, etc. MCW got established programs when it took over MU Med School, and MU would have a fully functioning med school if it reacquired MCW. Not saying it's a good idea at this point, but it's a very different proposition than sticking a shovel in the ground and starting from nothing.
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Reacquiring MCW still wouldn't be the same as starting a med school from scratch. There are tons of lead-up costs - establishing NIH funding, building research programs and teaching faculty, etc. MCW got established programs when it took over MU Med School, and MU would have a fully functioning med school if it reacquired MCW. Not saying it's a good idea at this point, but it's a very different proposition than sticking a shovel in the ground and starting from nothing.
Dude, you are kinda overthinking this. All she was saying is that a medical school doesn't necessarily mean increased ratings.
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Dude, you are kinda overthinking this. All she was saying is that a medical school doesn't necessarily mean increased ratings.
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Reacquiring MCW still wouldn't be the same as starting a med school from scratch. There are tons of lead-up costs - establishing NIH funding, building research programs and teaching faculty, etc. MCW got established programs when it took over MU Med School, and MU would have a fully functioning med school if it reacquired MCW. Not saying it's a good idea at this point, but it's a very different proposition than sticking a shovel in the ground and starting from nothing.
I do not believe that MCW is up for sale. That being the case, starting a med school from scratch is pretty much the only option.
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Dude, you are kinda overthinking this. All she was saying is that a medical school doesn't necessarily mean increased ratings.
Actually, chick was the one overthinking it by throwing out facts that are irrelevant to MU's situation. Why overthink it by throwing out facts that don't address the issue?
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I do not believe that MCW is up for sale. That being the case, starting a med school from scratch is pretty much the only option.
I'm sure that's true about MCW…but throwing an unsolicited offer at them would still make far more sense than trying to start from the ground up. The latter option is so stupid it doesn't even warrant a discussion.
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The guy in the gif looks like Pitino demonstrating how long his tryst lasted at Porcinis.
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3 secs. in da lane, hey?
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3 secs. in da lane, hey?
Yup. That is when pitino earned wide notoriety as one that could drive it to the rim and finish quickly (but with no authority)
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I'm sure that's true about MCW…but throwing an unsolicited offer at them would still make far more sense than trying to start from the ground up. The latter option is so stupid it doesn't even warrant a discussion.
Locally, Quinnipiac University started a Med School 5-6 years ago.
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Locally, Quinnipiac University started a Med School 5-6 years ago.
and how did that affect their USN&WR ranking?
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Locally, Quinnipiac University started a Med School 5-6 years ago.
And still have not been asked to join the BE
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And still have not been asked to join the BE
I think the Big 10 is preparing an opening bid for entry as we speak.
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1. Facts are beautiful things. I did a little research on my lunch hour, and discovered that there were 6 Universities in the top 150 of USNR that opened up medical schools in the last decade. I made a little table of how their rankings changed.
University Med School Established Ranking before Med School Ranking in 2017 Spots Risen (Dropped)
UC Riverside 2008 96 118 (22)
Virginia Tech 2008 71 74 3
U of South Carolina 2012 115 107 8
Arizona 2012 124 124 -
Texas 2013 46 56 (10)
Washington State 2015 138 143 (5)
Yeah I am not seeing the 25-35 spot jump.
2. I have never seen or heard an opinion by anyone remotely connected to Marquette campus security that believes closing Wisconsin Avenue would improve security. If they did that, there are places on campus where the closet patrol car would always be several blocks away and well out of the line of sight of anyone in a patrol car. Who are these "campus security" types of whom you speak?
3. Having a money-sucking sport like football would take resources away from academic programs, and likely slow the growth of the endowment, and that is definitely something that would negatively impact our ranking.
Agree with you on football.
Medical school can add prestige, but no guarantees. What it can also do is cycle through future high earners who give back to the school, endowments increase.
Security, are you saying crime will increase, or it may increase? Feels like a mixed bag. Safer as a result due to no traffic (car \ pedestrian issues). May take longer for security to arrive, but a campus our size not much longer.
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Reacquiring MCW
The trade happened. Let it go. Plus ot isn't like he is a difference maker. Just be happy with Snell.
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And still have not been asked to join the BE
Exactly!!!