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[rocket surgeon]

good to see the ncaa is patrolling the NIL thingy.  many (including me) thought this was essentially without boundries, giving schools carte blanche to "pay" their "student-athletes".

but ohhhh noooo...florida state, whodathunk, is getting it's pee pee slapped for "violations".  anything to do with the stink they made about getting screwed out of getting in to the college football superbowl?  coincidence?

can you believe there are rules governing pay to play?  only if you don't send charlie(baker)a Christmas card and maybe a gift certificate to your schools bookstore err sumpin.  sure hope before MU has a beef with the ncaa, they have any of our prospective guys sharing an uber ride with "one call"  or have them take a test for ya

"...the assistant coach drove a prospect to a meeting with the head of the program's most prominent NIL collective during the prospect's official visit to campus. At the meeting, the booster offered the prospect $15,000 per month and encouraged him to play for the Seminoles."


https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39289391/ncaa-penalizes-florida-state-football-nil-rule-violations

[lawdog77]

Here's the NCAA link
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2024/1/11/media-center-nil-related-recruiting-violation-occurred-in-florida-state-football-program.aspx

Wonder which one of these is the most damaging? Is it the 1 year disassociation from the collective?

The university, enforcement staff and assistant coach used ranges identified by the Division I membership-approved infractions penalty guidelines to agree upon Level II-standard penalties for the university and Level II-aggravated penalties for the assistant coach. The decision contains the full list of penalties as approved by the Committee on Infractions, including:

Two years of probation.
A two-year show cause order for the assistant coach, including a suspension from the next three regular-season games, a two-week restriction on recruiting communication, and required attendance at a NCAA Regional Rules Seminar attendance.
A restriction from off-campus recruiting during fall 2023 for the assistant coach.
A three-year disassociation from the booster.
A one-year disassociation from the collective.
A $5,000 fine plus 1% of the football budget.
A 5% reduction in football scholarships over the two-year probationary period, amounting to a total reduction of five scholarships.
A reduction in official (paid) visits in the football program in the 2023-24 academic year by seven. The school also will not roll over six unused official visits from the 2022-23 academic year.
A reduction in football recruiting communications for a total of six weeks during the 2023-24 and 2024-25 academic years.
A reduction in the number of in-person recruiting days during the 2023-24 academic year by six evaluation days during fall 2023 and 18 during spring 2024.

I am sure this is the first time this coach did this. Do you think  the NCAA will dig any deeper than this one instance?

[Uncle Rico]

good to see the ncaa is patrolling the NIL thingy.  many (including me) thought this was essentially without boundries, giving schools carte blanche to "pay" their "student-athletes".

but ohhhh noooo...florida state, whodathunk, is getting it's pee pee slapped for "violations".  anything to do with the stink they made about getting screwed out of getting in to the college football superbowl?  coincidence?

can you believe there are rules governing pay to play?  only if you don't send charlie(baker)a Christmas card and maybe a gift certificate to your schools bookstore err sumpin.  sure hope before MU has a beef with the ncaa, they have any of our prospective guys sharing an uber ride with "one call"  or have them take a test for ya

"...the assistant coach drove a prospect to a meeting with the head of the program's most prominent NIL collective during the prospect's official visit to campus. At the meeting, the booster offered the prospect $15,000 per month and encouraged him to play for the Seminoles."


https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39289391/ncaa-penalizes-florida-state-football-nil-rule-violations

2 out of 10

[Plaque Lives Matter!]

2 out of 10

Really? I would have thought "pee pee slapped" is worth 3 points alone.

[4everwarriors]

NIL, aka the ruination of college athletics, aina?

[WhiteTrash]

The ACC seems to have a target on their backs. I saw that the other conferences (B10,SEC,B12) rejected SMU standard payout for a Power 5(4) school. I assume that is money that gets comingled in the ACC pot. Basically the ACC has a Group of 5 member. (A year earlier Cincy, UCF, Huston and BYU were all voted full shares as P5 members)

Couldn't be happier about this. 

[MU82]

NIL, aka the ruination of college athletics, aina?

There have been dozens of "ruination of college athletics" worries over the decades. And yet here college athletics are, more popular than ever.

The NCAA had many opportunities to get in front of compensating athletes, but they resisted it and resisted it and resisted it. They wanted it all for their suits and their coaches and their other rich folks. So here we are, with NIL.

I like that major-sport athletes are finally getting a piece of the pie that wouldn't exist without them.

If you don't, I doubt you're being forced at gunpoint to watch college athletics at all, Doc. Not even in the hellscape that is downtown Milwaukee.

[rocket surgeon]

There have been dozens of "ruination of college athletics" worries over the decades. And yet here college athletics are, more popular than ever.

The NCAA had many opportunities to get in front of compensating athletes, but they resisted it and resisted it and resisted it. They wanted it all for their suits and their coaches and their other rich folks. So here we are, with NIL.

I like that major-sport athletes are finally getting a piece of the pie that wouldn't exist without them.

If you don't, I doubt you're being forced at gunpoint to watch college athletics at all, Doc. Not even in the hellscape that is downtown Milwaukee.

 
  yes, you may like it and yes, you may believe the "student-athletes" are due their "fair share" since they are the main reason for the generation of buku cash, but it's still the ruination of college sports.  unless they get control of this, it's going to tear college sports apart.  there is way too much room for "waste, fraud and abuse". 
 
   florida getting the hammer?  something doesn't smell right there.  they had the chutzpahto objecting  to the process by which they were left out of playoffs and hey, honey...who's at the door?

we cannot have the ncaa remaining as the judge, jury and executioner.  maybe if there were 2-3 outside arbiters.  the arbiters would be from a pool and remain anonymous to minimize outside influence, if that were possible.

   i don't really know what the best way to go about this is, but right now, it's set up very poorly.  kinda like using the IRS to quiet things down

what's next?  a salary cap?  a luxury tax?  so much for the mid majors et.al.

  and you thought marcus howard took a lot of shots??

[WhiteTrash]

 
  yes, you may like it and yes, you may believe the "student-athletes" are due their "fair share" since they are the main reason for the generation of buku cash, but it's still the ruination of college sports.  unless they get control of this, it's going to tear college sports apart.  there is way too much room for "waste, fraud and abuse". 
 
   florida getting the hammer?  something doesn't smell right there.  they had the chutzpahto objecting  to the process by which they were left out of playoffs and hey, honey...who's at the door?

we cannot have the ncaa remaining as the judge, jury and executioner.  maybe if there were 2-3 outside arbiters.  the arbiters would be from a pool and remain anonymous to minimize outside influence, if that were possible.

   i don't really know what the best way to go about this is, but right now, it's set up very poorly.  kinda like using the IRS to quiet things down

what's next?  a salary cap?  a luxury tax?  so much for the mid majors et.al.

  and you thought marcus howard took a lot of shots??

The NCAA will always be the judge, jury and executioner. That what it was formed to do (along with other responsibilities). That is like saying the Supreme Court should not be the final word in litigation.

Directing ire at the NCAA is fine but is essentially the same as getting mad at the army for going to war. The army doesn't make the decision they are just the "tool"; the NCAA is the same "tool" for the member schools.

[4everwarriors]

Nads, tell me if I'm wrong, hey?

I say yes, you say no.
I say red, you say green.
I say half empty, you say half full.
I say elephant, you say donkey.
I say never again, you say from the river to the sea.

[MU82]

Nads, tell me if I'm wrong, hey?

I say yes, you say no.
I say red, you say green.
I say half empty, you say half full.
I say elephant, you say donkey.
I say never again, you say from the river to the sea.

So, supporter of numerous antisemites ... is this post somehow suggesting that I'm antisemitic?

Why would you even bring up Israel in this thread? You've gotten tired of being a hypocrite in the actual Israel thread?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

 
  yes, you may like it and yes, you may believe the "student-athletes" are due their "fair share" since they are the main reason for the generation of buku cash, but it's still the ruination of college sports.  unless they get control of this, it's going to tear college sports apart.  there is way too much room for "waste, fraud and abuse". 
 
   florida getting the hammer?  something doesn't smell right there.  they had the chutzpahto objecting  to the process by which they were left out of playoffs and hey, honey...who's at the door?

we cannot have the ncaa remaining as the judge, jury and executioner.  maybe if there were 2-3 outside arbiters.  the arbiters would be from a pool and remain anonymous to minimize outside influence, if that were possible.

   i don't really know what the best way to go about this is, but right now, it's set up very poorly.  kinda like using the IRS to quiet things down

what's next?  a salary cap?  a luxury tax?  so much for the mid majors et.al.

  and you thought marcus howard took a lot of shots??

You realize that the NCAA had nothing to do with the college football playoff selection right? 

Also, Florida State has accepted the proposed penalties - not a complaint out of them. Do you think they would have done so if they thought there was some conspiracy involved?

The easiest way to settle this all down is to just allow the schools to pay the players. The money is going to get to them regardless. Might as well keep it out in the open.

[Dr. Blackheart]

You realize that the NCAA had nothing to do with the college football playoff selection right? 

Also, Florida State has accepted the proposed penalties - not a complaint out of them. Do you think they would have done so if they thought there was some conspiracy involved?

The easiest way to settle this all down is to just allow the schools to pay the players. The money is going to get to them regardless. Might as well keep it out in the open.

Because the NCAA needs to try to make some semblance of an attempt to keep their non-profit status in their valiant attempt to support their charter of supporting and supporting "amateur" sports?  The organization is a cartel and a scam.  Blow them up.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Member schools paying athletes would have no impact on its not-for-profit status. It wouldn't have any impact on its members' not-for-profit status either.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Member schools paying athletes would have no impact on its not-for-profit status. It wouldn't have any impact on its members' not-for-profit status either.

I didn't say member schools, Chumley. I said the NCAA. Their reason for being went away.

[Plaque Lives Matter!]

So, supporter of numerous antisemites ... is this post somehow suggesting that I'm antisemitic?

Why would you even bring up Israel in this thread? You've gotten tired of being a hypocrite in the actual Israel thread?

He thought NIL stood for “Nads Israel Lecture”. Honest mistake. Not everyone is well read!

[4everwarriors]

So, supporter of numerous antisemites ... is this post somehow suggesting that I'm antisemitic?

Why would you even bring up Israel in this thread? You've gotten tired of being a hypocrite in the actual Israel thread?

Nope, where is Israel even mentioned in my post? My point is...its now evident that regardless of whatever I say, you will default immediately to a contrarian position. In fact, this is not unique to yourself. Battle lines appear to have been drawn in the sand, that when crossed by a meat summit brother, it triggers a Pavlov dog counter reaction by the mope squad members en masse, aina?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I didn't say member schools, Chumley. I said the NCAA. Their reason for being went away.

Read the first sentence.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Nope, where is Israel even mentioned in my post? My point is...its now evident that regardless of whatever I say, you will default immediately to a contrarian position. In fact, this is not unique to yourself. Battle lines appear to have been drawn in the sand, that when crossed by a meat summit brother, it triggers a Pavlov dog counter reaction by the mope squad members en masse, aina?

Dude, why don't you just STFU, stop being a victim, and actually engage in intelligent discussion instead of your usual nonsense. There was zero reason for you to derail this topic.

[4everwarriors]

Why in the hell would I listen to a pawn like you, hey?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Ah that's right - you're unable to engage in such discussion.

You created a persona here 12 years ago that stopped being funny or interesting 11 and a half years ago, so now you just do the bitter Boomer thing instead.

Carry on. I will continue to take you as seriously as I usually do.

[4everwarriors]

For da record, I've been postin' on Scoop fore 17+ yeers, hey?

[real chili 83]

Dude, why don't you just STFU, stop being a victim, and actually engage in intelligent discussion instead of your usual nonsense. There was zero reason for you to derail this topic.

Pot, meet kettle.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Read the first sentence.

I did. Member schools don't pay athletes. Co-ops do. If they do, the vaunted NCAA should enforce their non-profit vision of supporting amateurism and ban their ass. Like they did with Bill Self. Oh wait

[Uncle Rico]

Nope, where is Israel even mentioned in my post? My point is...its now evident that regardless of whatever I say, you will default immediately to a contrarian position. In fact, this is not unique to yourself. Battle lines appear to have been drawn in the sand, that when crossed by a meat summit brother, it triggers a Pavlov dog counter reaction by the mope squad members en masse, aina?

Actually, MU82 has been saying the same thing to people who post about the “ruination of college athletics” for quite awhile.  This isn’t the first discussion of NIL, it isn’t the first time someone said “ruination of college athletics”, it isn’t the first time he answered the way he did.

You’re just a victim, a mope, a snowflake

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Pot, meet kettle.

When I made that post I said to myself "I give real 15 minutes to come defend his boy."

When I saw you do it in ten, I smiled.

[real chili 83]

When I made that post I said to myself "I give real 15 minutes to come defend his boy."

When I saw you do it in ten, I smiled.

Rent free.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Rent free.

LOL...says the dude who took ten minuts.

But sure. If that makes you feel better about yourself, go feel that way. But deep down, you know the truth.

[real chili 83]

LOL...says the dude who took ten minuts.

But sure. If that makes you feel better about yourself, go feel that way. But deep down, you know the truth.

Awesome!

[WhiteTrash]

Because the NCAA needs to try to make some semblance of an attempt to keep their non-profit status in their valiant attempt to support their charter of supporting and supporting "amateur" sports?  The organization is a cartel and a scam.  Blow them up.

Love or hate the NCAA, I don't care, but you need to do some independent research into exactly what the NCAA is. I'd agree that the NCAA is a form of cartel and I don't think any of the members would deny it just like none of the OPEC members would deny it is a cartel.

I don't know how it can be labeled as a "scam". Certainly the members who created and control it know what is going on. The student-athletes know what the rules are upfront. The NCAA is no more a scam than the IRS is a scam.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Yeah, blowing up the NCAA isn't really the solution. It's limiting the scope of their mission. But remember their mission only expanded because its members gave them that authority in the first place.

[rocket surgeon]

The NCAA will always be the judge, jury and executioner. That what it was formed to do (along with other responsibilities). That is like saying the Supreme Court should not be the final word in litigation.

Directing ire at the NCAA is fine but is essentially the same as getting mad at the army for going to war. The army doesn't make the decision they are just the "tool"; the NCAA is the same "tool" for the member schools.

with all due respect whitetrash-the supreme court doesn't go after the "alleged" violators.  i can imagine the ncaa looks for issues, then charges them and issues the penalty.  the supreme court takes cases and rules on them in accordance with our consitution...well most of them do anyway

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

i can imagine the ncaa looks for issues, then charges them and issues the penalty. 

Yes, when the NCAA is made aware of potential violations, that is what they do. Because their members gave them that authority.

[WhiteTrash]

Yeah, blowing up the NCAA isn't really the solution. It's limiting the scope of their mission. But remember their mission only expanded because its members gave them that authority in the first place.

Agreed. I'd guess that 90%+ of what the NCAA does is good stuff. I'd say it has done way more to advance women's sports than any other organization (redirecting men's sports revenue to women's). Maybe I'm wrong, so please correct me. Blowing it up seems very short sighted.

I think the "NCAA sucks" stuff comes from ESPN and sports talk radio meatheads. 10 years ago I was anti-NCAA because I listened to those outlets. Then I educated myself and changed my tune. But I agree the schools can do better running the NCAA. 

[WhiteTrash]

with all due respect whitetrash-the supreme court doesn't go after the "alleged" violators.  i can imagine the ncaa looks for issues, then charges them and issues the penalty.  the supreme court takes cases and rules on them in accordance with our consitution...well most of them do anyway

The point I was making is that the Supreme Court was created to be the final word in litigation and the NCAA was ,among many tasks, formed to regulate college sport under the rules the schools gave it. The NCAA has never done anything that the schools did not want it to do, including being judge, jury and executioner.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

The NCAA is over burdened with compliance and eligibility regulations, and has become more bureaucratic as a result. And that means it makes a lot of decisions that are dictated by the black and white of the rules versus the grays of common sense.

But the organization does a really excellent job at conducting championships. And there has to be some sort of baseline for eligibility and compliance right? Some organization is going to need to do that work.

[MU82]

Nope, where is Israel even mentioned in my post?

Ah, so these phrases ...

I say never again, you say from the river to the sea.

... are about sports or fashion or crochet or whatever you're into now, but not at all about Israel? Cool, Dr. Disingenuous.

My point is...its now evident that regardless of whatever I say, you will default immediately to a contrarian position. In fact, this is not unique to yourself. Battle lines appear to have been drawn in the sand, that when crossed by a meat summit brother, it triggers a Pavlov dog counter reaction by the mope squad members en masse, aina?

See the following ...

Actually, MU82 has been saying the same thing to people who post about the “ruination of college athletics” for quite awhile.  This isn’t the first discussion of NIL, it isn’t the first time someone said “ruination of college athletics”, it isn’t the first time he answered the way he did.

Letting Blacks compete. Letting women compete. Title IX. Freshman eligibility. Non-seniors being eligible to be drafted by pro sports leagues. Giving athletes small stipends. The transfer portal. NIL.

Crusty, change-averse mopes have spent decades claiming those and other affronts would be the ruination of college athletics.

And again, if NIL has ruined college athletics for you, who is forcing you to keep following college athletics?

[4everwarriors]

My point is regardless of what I post, you reflectively take a 180 degree position counter to my post, aina?

[MU82]

My point is regardless of what I post, you reflectively take a 180 degree position counter to my post, aina?

Make better points, oona?