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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Afroman on April 16, 2019, 03:26:21 PM
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Have any current players commented/tweeted on the latest developments?
I know that Markus is usually pretty active on Twitter, but has yet to chime in.
I'm not hip to the Twitter etiquette. When a player tweets that he's leaving a program like Sam and Joey did, do teammates ever respond with tweets of their own (i.e. "Good luck, bro!" ... "Hate to see you go!")
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While the players have remained "active" on Twitter, I do find it peculiar that very few of the current players "liked" either of Sam/Joey's announcements intending to transfer. Chartouney retweeted/liked both of their announcements, while Matt liked only Joey's. Stan's tweet yesterday about faith was liked by a few guys on the team. Other than Froling's weird tweet yesterday, there hasn't been a whole lot coming out.
FWIW, the Men's Basketball account is still following/listing both Joey and Sam.
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While the players have remained "active" on Twitter, I do find it peculiar that very few of the current players "liked" either of Sam/Joey's announcements intending to transfer. Chartouney retweeted/liked both of their announcements, while Matt liked only Joey's. Stan's tweet yesterday about faith was liked by a few guys on the team. Other than Froling's weird tweet yesterday, there hasn't been a whole lot coming out.
FWIW, the Men's Basketball account is still following/listing both Joey and Sam.
A few other guys like Gregg, Sacar and Cain liked their posts on instagram. I wouldn't read a single thing into any of that.
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For the current players, this just means more playing time has opened up. Not surprised to see a few “likes”.
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In situations like this the players are told to stay off social media about it and direct questions to sports info dept. This is sound advice.
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FWIW, the Men's Basketball account is still following/listing both Joey and Sam.
They're coming back!
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Not one current MU player liked Markus’ post of him announcing he would return...
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Not one current MU player liked Markus’ post of him announcing he would return...
Ouch
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Not one current MU player liked Markus’ post of him announcing he would return...
I just checked too and yep. Not one single current player on either his twitter or Instagram posts. Yikes
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Not one current MU player liked Markus’ post of him announcing he would return...
Is that Wojo’s fault?
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Is that Wojo’s fault?
If his team and locker room are as dysfunctional as they seem, yes.
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If his team and locker room are as dysfunctional as they seem, are yes.
+1 oh and FIFY
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If his team and locker room are as dysfunctional as they seem, yes.
That dysfunctional locker room lost two games over the course of 90 days this past season.
Ah, I know, winning cures all ills. Patches over all holes. Is the balm that salves a wound. Even still, on the whole, that dysfunctional squad won a $hit ton of their 34 games.
Who gets credit for that?
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Not one current MU player liked Markus’ post of him announcing he would return...
Some players liked the announcement that he is coming back from other sources. John Rothstein, Bleacher Report and others announcing Markus would return were liked by some of the players. A high number also liked when he was honored for 2nd team AA.
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I would read a lot into social media by the players. That's how they communicate and express their feelings.
In short, what is Wojo supposed to do? Run Howard out of the program? I still think it details Sam's career.
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That dysfunctional locker room lost two games over the course of 90 days this past season.
Ah, I know, winning cures all ills. Patches over all holes. Is the balm that salves a wound. Even still, on the whole, that dysfunctional squad won a $hit ton of their 34 games.
Who gets credit for that?
Yep. He gets the credit for the good and blame for the bad. Unfortunately the bad has far outweighed the good for a couple of months.
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That dysfunctional locker room lost two games over the course of 90 days this past season.
Ah, I know, winning cures all ills. Patches over all holes. Is the balm that salves a wound. Even still, on the whole, that dysfunctional squad won a $hit ton of their 34 games.
Who gets credit for that?
Well, what if...the locker room became dysfunctional sometime after all the wins and before the Villanova game, thus leading to their 1-6 slide to end the season?? And what if, some things that happened during that 1-6 slide were things that weren't addressed, like some were lead to believe would be, and that lead to the Hauser's transfers?? Just hypothesizing here.
Then who's fault is that??
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Wojo makes millions of dollars to run this program. The buck stops with him.
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Wojo makes millions of dollars to run this program. The buck stops with him.
“The Buck Stops Here.”
Cmon Wojo,
Put that on your desk.
Slap the cuffs on em.
They didn’t like Markus’s announcement.
Has our society come to this?
Truman is turning over in his grave.
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Just hypothesizing here.
Remember when you hypothesized that, if there was a coaching change, Sam and Joey wouldn't leave because Sam already had 3 years committed and there is NO WAY any player does that, and because Joey was his brother so he'd stay to play with Sam?
As I tried to explain, Robert Jackson and Marial Shayok are two examples off the top of my head who quit their programs despite having committed 3 years to go play elsewhere. But you were 100% certain that Sam would never leave after 3 years, no matter what.
I know you'll spin it that things were so horrible under Wojo that he's the one who "made" Sam and Joey leave. And you might be right about that (or not). But you were wrong about there being NO WAY any senior-to-be would leave. It happens. Jackson, Shayok and Sam aren't the only ones ever to do it, either. It happens.
Was Shayok's transfer Tony Bennett's "fault"? Was Jackson's transfer Rick Stansbury's "fault"? Maybe each really was the coach's fault. I don't know. And we don't know whose "fault" Sam and Joey transferring are, either. I would hypothesize that at least some of the fault goes to the quitters.
And remember, I do agree with you that this shyteshow is on Wojo because the coach is the CEO of the organization, and the buck stops with him. This very well could cost him his job, and it should if the upcoming season is not good.
Just brought up all of the above because everything isn't always black and white, you know?
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Markus's post -- the wording, the pictures he chose, etc. -- was not well-received by basically anyone.
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Markus's post -- the wording, the pictures he chose, etc. -- was not well-received by basically anyone.
So what do the players think of Markus? You seem to be hinting that is not well liked in the locker room.
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So what do the players think of Markus? You seem to be hinting that is not well liked in the locker room.
25 points/game just walked out the door, leaving a certain someone to excitedly pick up the scoring slack. We thought last year was bad?....... But hey, he gets another season with a platform to promote all of his off-the-court "look at me" groups and causes.
That's the only Markus comment I will be making.
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25 points/game just walked out the door, leaving a certain someone to excitedly pick up the scoring slack. We thought last year was bad?....... But hey, he gets another season with a platform to promote all of his off-the-court "look at me" groups and causes.
That's the only Markus comment I will be making.
So you don't find his comments on faith, service, or mental health to be genuine?
And again, you seem to be hinting that Markus is not liked by anyone on the team. So we should expect more transfers right?
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So you don't find his comments on faith, service, or mental health to be genuine?
And again, you seem to be hinting that Markus is not liked by anyone on the team. So we should expect more transfers right?
I worded it the way I worded it for a reason.
I can't definitively say no one on the team likes Markus. Again, you're welcome to DM me.
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I worded it the way I worded it for a reason.
I can't definitively say no one on the team likes Markus. Again, you're welcome to DM me.
I'd rather keep the conversation here but if you insist I'll reach out privately.
That's really unfortunate if true. I've enjoyed having a star athlete who I thought embodied Marquette's values of Service, Faith as well as being a man for others. It would be a shame if it was all a shameless attention grab.
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I'd rather keep the conversation here but if you insist I'll reach out privately.
That's really unfortunate if true. I've enjoyed having a star athlete who I thought embodied Marquette's values of Service, Faith as well as being a man for others. It would be a shame if it was all a shameless attention grab.
Are the two mutually exclusive?
Also, I think it's great when our student athletes embody MU's values off the court; but at the end of the day - as long as they're acting in accordance w/ University and NCAA regulations - I just want to win, and preferably win in March.
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As I tried to explain, Robert Jackson and Marial Shayok are two examples off the top of my head who quit their programs despite having committed 3 years to go play elsewhere. But you were 100% certain that Sam would never leave after 3 years, no matter what.
Wasn’t the story that RJax was kicked off the team, voted off, something like that? It wasn’t a voluntary departure from Miss State.
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I can't definitively say no one on the team likes Markus. Again, you're welcome to DM me.
This is precious. I think I'm going to change my sig to "if you want the real story, DM me".
lol
A lot of people falling to group think here.
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That dysfunctional locker room lost two games over the course of 90 days this past season.
Ah, I know, winning cures all ills. Patches over all holes. Is the balm that salves a wound. Even still, on the whole, that dysfunctional squad won a $hit ton of their 34 games.
Who gets credit for that?
Hitler and Tojo racked up the wins, too.
Right now, MU MBB is Hiroshima and Berlin '45 combined.
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Well, what if...the locker room became dysfunctional sometime after all the wins and before the Villanova game, thus leading to their 1-6 slide to end the season?? And what if, some things that happened during that 1-6 slide were things that weren't addressed, like some were lead to believe would be, and that lead to the Hauser's transfers?? Just hypothesizing here.
Then who's fault is that??
You think the "slide" caused disruption?
The Hausers voiced their concern in February. To jog your memory, Marquette was in the midst of winning 13 of 14 games before the Nova loss when the concern was raised.
Since you like to hypothesize, what would you think of players who are closing in on winning a Big East title diverting their attention to individual success rather than wrapping up a team accomplishment?
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Wait teammates didn't like Markus' IG post announcing he was back that included pictures of 5 basketball players...all of whom were Markus?
I for one am shocked.
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Wait teammates didn't like Markus' IG post announcing he was back that included pictures of 5 basketball players...all of whom were Markus?
I for one am shocked.
This is just getting weird.
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You think the "slide" caused disruption?
The Hausers voiced their concern in February. To jog your memory, Marquette was in the midst of winning 13 of 14 games before the Nova loss when the concern was raised.
Since you like to hypothesize, what would you think of players who are closing in on winning a Big East title diverting their attention to individual success rather than wrapping up a team accomplishment?
The big issue is that Wojo's offense has centered around 1 player dominating the ball; Carlino (necessary), Ellenson (necessary), Rowsey & Howard. The issue isn't the points the issue is shot selection and a general lack of regard for the other 4. Sure the Hauser's have egos most high level athletes do, but the rumblings have been there BEFORE Joe arrived.
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This is precious. I think I'm going to change my sig to "if you want the real story, DM me".
lol
A lot of people falling to group think here.
If you want the real story, you're welcome to DM me.
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Can someone please DM onepostjohnson and then post the real story for all of us to read?
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I was disgusted by Howard’s announcement via Twitter. That was a fxxkin joke.
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I was disgusted by Howard’s announcement via Twitter. That was a fxxkin joke.
That's he's coming back? Why?
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That's he's coming back? Why?
bc even LeBron's social media team would have said...let's use a team huddle for the picture.
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bc even LeBron's social media team would have said...let's use a team huddle for the picture.
Maybe some slapping of fives?
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Sure the Hauser's have egos most high level athletes do, but the rumblings have been there BEFORE Joe arrived.
If the rumblings were there and the Hausers sent Joey to Marquette anyway, I might have to take back blaming Wojo for most of this.
If Wojo is ultimately responsible for everything that happens with MU hoops (and he is), who is ultimately responsible for everything that happens to the Hauser children?
If there are rumblings that Wojo can't handle the players' egos, and Sam already has been there to witness it, why on earth wouldn't you have Sam transfer immediately and send your other son elsewhere?
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Can someone please DM onepostjohnson and then post the real story for all of us to read?
Amen.
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I was disgusted by Howard’s announcement via Twitter. That was a fxxkin joke.
Lol why? Because he used pictures of himself?
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Hitler and Tojo racked up the wins, too.
Right now, MU MBB is Hiroshima and Berlin '45 combined.
Overkill.
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I was disgusted by Howard’s announcement via Twitter. That was a fxxkin joke.
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Lol why? Because he used pictures of himself?
Should've photshopped in the Hauser brothers.
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Wait teammates didn't like Markus' IG post announcing he was back that included pictures of 5 basketball players...all of whom were Markus?
I for one am shocked.
Well, since the whole team was/is set to transfer...
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I was disgusted by Howard’s announcement via Twitter. That was a fxxkin joke.
I would love to know where that came from. My immediate reaction was that it absolutely looked like something produced by someone in the MUBB media office -- not Markus. Totally speculating here, but I'd guess that he told them he was coming back, and they said they'd prepare something for him to announce the decision. I'm totally giving Markus the benefit of the doubt on this one. Which, of course, leads us right back to the primary issue we've been discussing the last few days.
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The amount of shots that posters here are taking at a 20 year old kid who is a great representative of the university is disgusting.
Even if that's not reality and it's just perception. Even if his style of play is maddening at times. Even if every negative thing said here about him is true. It's still disgusting.
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The amount of shots that posters here are taking at a 20 year old kid who is a great representative of the university is disgusting.
Even if that's not reality and it's just perception. Even if his style of play is maddening at times. Even if every negative thing said here about him is true. It's still disgusting.
Agreed and I feel the same way about the Hausers. Ultimately, the coach put them together.
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Agreed and I feel the same way about the Hausers. Ultimately, the coach put them together.
Yep.
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The amount of shots that posters here are taking at a 20 year old kid who is a great representative of the university is disgusting.
Even if that's not reality and it's just perception. Even if his style of play is maddening at times. Even if every negative thing said here about him is true. It's still disgusting.
Agree. Completely ridiculous.
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The amount of shots that posters here are taking at a 20 year old kid who is a great representative of the university is disgusting.
Even if that's not reality and it's just perception. Even if his style of play is maddening at times. Even if every negative thing said here about him is true. It's still disgusting.
Yep, it is downright embarrassing for Scoop and for those posters.
Markus is a 20-year old kid who is a great representative of the university, who will graduate as our all-time leading scorer, and who (by all indications) does exactly what his coach asks of him.
Some people just need someone to criticize....
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Markus is a 20-year old kid who is a great representative of the university, who will graduate as our all-time leading scorer, and who (by all indications) does exactly what his coach asks of him.
L......O......L
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Yep, it is downright embarrassing for Scoop and for those posters.
Markus is a 20-year old kid who is a great representative of the university, who will graduate as our all-time leading scorer, and who (by all indications) does exactly what his coach asks of him.
Some people just need someone to criticize....
I just want to add. This phenomenon of hyper-extreme anonymous takes on the internet transcends Scoop, MU, men's college basketball, sports, and... Pretty much everything.
Undoubtedly, these people that are melting down over this are also posting extreme takes elsewhere. Although one would think that educated people would be somewhat more immune to this phenomenon, it's clear that there are more factors at play than just that. It's also clear that just being college-educated doesn't mean you ever developed critical thinking skills or objective thought.
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L......O......L
Thank you
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I just want to add. This phenomenon of hyper-extreme anonymous takes on the internet transcends Scoop, MU, men's college basketball, sports, and... Pretty much everything.
Undoubtedly, these people that are melting down over this are also posting extreme takes elsewhere. Although one would think that educated people would be somewhat more immune to this phenomenon, it's clear that there are more factors at play than just that. It's also clear that just being college-educated doesn't mean you ever developed critical thinking skills or objective thought.
+1
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L......O......L
So what do you believe Markus did that was contrary to Wojo's requests?
I can answer that: NOTHING.
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I just want to add. This phenomenon of hyper-extreme anonymous takes on the internet transcends Scoop, MU, men's college basketball, sports, and... Pretty much everything.
Undoubtedly, these people that are melting down over this are also posting extreme takes elsewhere. Although one would think that educated people would be somewhat more immune to this phenomenon, it's clear that there are more factors at play than just that. It's also clear that just being college-educated doesn't mean you ever developed critical thinking skills or objective thought.
Well said. I think whatever causes these people to rant also clouds whatever critical thinking skills they might otherwise have possessed.
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Agree. Completely ridiculous.
Disgusting what I have read. Shameful.
Blood in the water for some members here so they believe nothing is out of bounds. It is!
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So what do you believe Markus did that was contrary to Wojo's requests?
I can answer that: NOTHING.
- Freelancing against the flow of the offense to the point the team felt compelled to write the coach a unnatural carnal knowledgeing letter because it was killing this team.
- Deliberately ignoring play calls to Sam and Joey late in games to instead put up contested shots.....that were missed.
- Insisting that he "shoot his way back" coming back from foul trouble rather than go with the gameplan.
These aren't beliefs, these are facts.
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Well said. I think whatever causes these people to rant also clouds whatever critical thinking skills they might otherwise have possessed.
Part of it IMHO is the rapid availability of sources to rant. This wasn't always the case until very recently because you would have had to walk to your computer, boot it up, open your web browser, and wait longer for things to load. In the past that would have been more than enough time to process the emotions and think better of it.
Within the last few years everyone now has a smartphone in their pocket (alongside pages that are now optimized for ease of use and speed) where within seconds they can begin their instantaneous emotional rant, that otherwise wouldn't have lasted long enough to make it through the prior process.
I think that's part of the reason you see so many new threads on the Hauser topic and that they are all emotional rants... No time to waste on trying to find one of the existing 10s of threads to park it in when you need to get the emotional rant started immediately.
Essentially, one can get onto the internet and commence the emotional rant prior to even thinking... In some ways the internet has actually replaced thinking, for some.
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- Freelancing against the flow of the offense to the point the team felt compelled to write the coach a unnatural carnal knowledgeing letter because it was killing this team.
- Deliberately ignoring play calls to Sam and Joey late in games to instead put up contested shots.....that were missed.
- Insisting that he "shoot his way back" coming back from foul trouble rather than go with the gameplan.
These aren't beliefs, these are facts.
I hope believing that makes you feel better.
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- Freelancing against the flow of the offense to the point the team felt compelled to write the coach a unnatural carnal knowledgeing letter because it was killing this team.
- Deliberately ignoring play calls to Sam and Joey late in games to instead put up contested shots.....that were missed.
- Insisting that he "shoot his way back" coming back from foul trouble rather than go with the gameplan.
These aren't beliefs, these are facts.
Do you have a link supporting the "fact" that plays were called for Sam/Joey and Markus intentionally ignored them to jack his own shots? I'd like to know the exact plays in question; if true, that information should be easy to furnish.
I'm not saying it's untrue, onepost, just that I hadn't heard it before. It's quite a charge and should be supported by evidence that everybody can see and judge for themselves.
The other two facts go back to coaching. If Wojo is in charge the way a coach should be in charge, he could have nipped it in the bud. At least theoretically.
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Do you have a link supporting the "fact" that plays were called for Sam/Joey and Markus intentionally ignored them to jack his own shots? I'd like to know the exact plays in question; if true, that information should be easy to furnish.
I'm not saying it's untrue, onepost, just that I hadn't heard it before. It's quite a charge and should be supported by evidence that everybody can see and judge for themselves.
The other two facts go back to coaching. If Wojo is in charge the way a coach should be in charge, he could have nipped it in the bud. At least theoretically.
Yep, I'd love to see that documentation, as well as the letter that onepost claims the team sent to Wojo. If he is certain they are "facts," that should mean he has the evidence.
Otherwise, it's just speculation and hearsay....
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Do you have a link supporting the "fact" that plays were called for Sam/Joey and Markus intentionally ignored them to jack his own shots? I'd like to know the exact plays in question; if true, that information should be easy to furnish.
I'm not saying it's untrue, onepost, just that I hadn't heard it before. It's quite a charge and should be supported by evidence that everybody can see and judge for themselves.
The other two facts go back to coaching. If Wojo is in charge the way a coach should be in charge, he could have nipped it in the bud. At least theoretically.
Wait for the PM, 82!
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If you're gonna be such Doubting Thomas's that you require specific clips from games and a physical copy of a letter that was obviously (given how our season ended) torn up and thrown in the trash upon receipt, then clearly this is a fool's errand. I presume you watched our late season collapse, take your pick of awful Markus decision when other options were wide.
I was foolishly willing to pass along what I was told, clearly to a fault. Find one person on here who can dispute any of what I've said. You don't want to believe it and that's fine. But now I see why people are so reticent to share info here. From now on I'll keep what I hear to myself and admire how deep your heads are in the sand.
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If you're gonna be such Doubting Thomas's that you require specific clips from games and a physical copy of a letter that was obviously (given how our season ended) torn up and thrown in the trash upon receipt, then clearly this is a fool's errand. I presume you watched our late season collapse, take your pick of awful Markus decision when other options were wide.
I was foolishly willing to pass along what I was told, clearly to a fault. Find one person on here who can dispute any of what I've said. You don't want to believe it and that's fine. But now I see why people are so reticent to share info here. From now on I'll keep what I hear to myself and admire how deep your heads are in the sand.
Read the bolded part above. You made a claim. The burden of proof is on you to back up that claim - not on other people to provide evidence to the contrary. It's pretty simple.
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- Freelancing against the flow of the offense.....
- Deliberately ignoring play calls to Sam and Joey.....
- Insisting that he "shoot his way back" coming back from foul trouble rather than go with the gameplan.
These aren't beliefs, these are facts.
Then this is on Wojo. You sit his ass down if that is what he was doing.
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Then this is on Wojo. You sit his ass down if that is what he was doing.
The two aren't mutually exclusive. The majority of blame falls on Wojo, as I've been saying.
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Read the bolded part above. You made a claim. The burden of proof is on you to back up that claim - not on other people to provide evidence to the contrary. It's pretty simple.
I think what he's asking for is for someone to provide evidence that what he said is wrong. Like, show us specific plays that Markus didn't not run the plays that Wojo called for Sam or Joey.
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I think what he's asking for is for someone to provide evidence that what he said is wrong. Like, show us specific plays that Markus didn't not run the plays that Wojo called for Sam or Joey.
Exactly and that's not how burden of proof works. He may be 100% correct but you don't make a claim as fact and ask others to provide evidence to the contrary to disprove it.
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- Freelancing against the flow of the offense to the point the team felt compelled to write the coach a unnatural carnal knowledgeing letter because it was killing this team.
- Deliberately ignoring play calls to Sam and Joey late in games to instead put up contested shots.....that were missed.
- Insisting that he "shoot his way back" coming back from foul trouble rather than go with the gameplan.
These aren't beliefs, these are facts.
This isn’t fact, but purely speculation. As in any divorce, there are always two sides to the story.
It appears that you are on the Hausers side here- you seem defensive of their stance and justify their departure based on a gripe they had with Markus’ share of the offense and wojos inability to control it.
Of course I couldn’t possibly know this but my guess would be that you are friends with them, or friends or a friend or connected in some way. That would give you this info about the letter and thus give you the story from that perspective, and you would naturally take their side in this one.
It really doesn’t matter if the above is true (and I will not PM you to find out), the point still stands that there are two sides to every story depending on your perspective or bias
Take for example a written letter in February. If this was indeed done at that time, when the team was at the top of the conference and basketball world, winners of 12/13 and in the top 10, knocking on the door of a conference ship- then the opposing viewpoint would be that its a completely scum move on the part of those players. It would show that instead of concentrating on the task at hand and enjoying/living in the moment it is they that are worried about their own individual achievements.
That would be an awful time of the season to be distracted and bring that distraction to the team. Lest we not forget these two dudes had a pretty large minute and market share of the marquette offense all season.
So from the opposing POV it can be viewed that these dissenting athletes, with undoubtably someone in their ear getting them distracted from the task at hand, are causing a rift in the team at the worst time humanly possible by complaining behind closed doors and not concentrating on the awesome and historical season the program is having.
It’s really easy to see how this then could be part of the main reason for the teams downfall at seasons end. We all saw what happened in March and don’t need to rehash it here. You throw in a rift in the locker room over something as petty as you aren’t getting the ball enough when your team has been absolutely killing and it gets in everyone’s head, including your coach and star player who has been the biggest reason of you even being in that position. This then leads to this disgruntled and distracted star taking defense and the “f you” approach and it all spirals badly and sadly out of control.
Again I’m not saying I know what happened, but I’m just pointing out that every single event can be seen in multiple perspectives. You argue the letter was necessary cause Markus was getting out of control, someone else can argue that it was completely foolish/selfish at that point in time (wait til seasons end maybe?).
You argue that wojo lost control of the situation and couldn’t curtail Markus leading to two of his better players leaving, someone else could argue about how miserable it would be having those brothas father in your ear game in game out and then receiving a letter complaining that they aren’t being used enough when the team is on the verge of something great, how infuriating.
You argue that it’s not only Sam/Joey but a lot of people feel that way, someone else would argue that without their displeasure/discontent as a pivotal point in the season the others would’ve continued to stay on board and it wouldn’t have ended the way it did.
There’s only one thing none of us can argue, the entire thing is fuc*ed
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Very interesting that so many of the whiners here don't post a lot. But, like GURU, they will always crawl out of the woodwork when there is anything negative around the program.
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DrV, I think your angle sums this up perfectly. I don't like this situation any more than anyone else, but it illustrates the gray areas that most certainly exist between the sides.
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Very interesting that so many of the whiners here don't post a lot. But, like GURU, they will always crawl out of the woodwork when there is anything negative around the program.
I actually think Guru has been pretty calm about this whole situation.
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This isn’t fact, but purely speculation. As in any divorce, there are always two sides to the story.
It appears that you are on the Hausers side here- you seem defensive of their stance and justify their departure based on a gripe they had with Markus’ share of the offense and wojos inability to control it.
Of course I couldn’t possibly know this but my guess would be that you are friends with them, or friends or a friend or connected in some way. That would give you this info about the letter and thus give you the story from that perspective, and you would naturally take their side in this one.
It really doesn’t matter if the above is true (and I will not PM you to find out), the point still stands that there are two sides to every story depending on your perspective or bias
Take for example a written letter in February. If this was indeed done at that time, when the team was at the top of the conference and basketball world, winners of 12/13 and in the top 10, knocking on the door of a conference ship- then the opposing viewpoint would be that its a completely scum move on the part of those players. It would show that instead of concentrating on the task at hand and enjoying/living in the moment it is they that are worried about their own individual achievements.
That would be an awful time of the season to be distracted and bring that distraction to the team. Lest we not forget these two dudes had a pretty large minute and market share of the marquette offense all season.
So from the opposing POV it can be viewed that these dissenting athletes, with undoubtably someone in their ear getting them distracted from the task at hand, are causing a rift in the team at the worst time humanly possible by complaining behind closed doors and not concentrating on the awesome and historical season the program is having.
It’s really easy to see how this then could be part of the main reason for the teams downfall at seasons end. We all saw what happened in March and don’t need to rehash it here. You throw in a rift in the locker room over something as petty as you aren’t getting the ball enough when your team has been absolutely killing and it gets in everyone’s head, including your coach and star player who has been the biggest reason of you even being in that position. This then leads to this disgruntled and distracted star taking defense and the “f you” approach and it all spirals badly and sadly out of control.
Again I’m not saying I know what happened, but I’m just pointing out that every single event can be seen in multiple perspectives. You argue the letter was necessary cause Markus was getting out of control, someone else can argue that it was completely foolish/selfish at that point in time (wait til seasons end maybe?).
You argue that wojo lost control of the situation and couldn’t curtail Markus leading to two of his better players leaving, someone else could argue about how miserable it would be having those brothas father in your ear game in game out and then receiving a letter complaining that they aren’t being used enough when the team is on the verge of something great, how infuriating.
You argue that it’s not only Sam/Joey but a lot of people feel that way, someone else would argue that without their displeasure/discontent as a pivotal point in the season the others would’ve continued to stay on board and it wouldn’t have ended the way it did.
There’s only one thing none of us can argue, the entire thing is fuc*ed
Bravo.
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I actually think Guru has been pretty calm about this whole situation.
Thank You...make no mistake about it, I am LIVID about it, because it should have never happened. Sadly, I'm calmer than I normally would be because this has made my interest level decline considerably. I'm just mentally exhausted by it all. It's been 5 long years under Wojo, and this was kind of the final nail in the coffin for me. As hard as it is, I have come to the realization that this program will never achieve the heights I was hoping it would get to, at least not under this current administration.
It's a long off season, so maybe as the season gets closer, I will get a bit more energy back for it, but As of now I won't be donating any more money and I won't be getting season tickets anymore(after 15 consecutive years). Never thought I'd see the day to be honest, but this pushed me over the edge.
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Its been pretty much downhill since the day Vander went pro. And that seems like a long time ago.
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Its been pretty much downhill since the day Vander went pro. And that seems like a long time ago.
You're absolutely right...it seems like one gut punch after another...and sadly, prior to his decision, the program was thriving, and I felt like they were on the cusp of another Final Four soon. Who knew that one decision(even though unrelated), would trigger individual events that were all gut punches. It just seems like as MU fans, we can't have nice things.
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Thank You...make no mistake about it, I am LIVID about it, because it should have never happened. Sadly, I'm calmer than I normally would be because this has made my interest level decline considerably. I'm just mentally exhausted by it all. It's been 5 long years under Wojo, and this was kind of the final nail in the coffin for me. As hard as it is, I have come to the realization that this program will never achieve the heights I was hoping it would get to, at least not under this current administration.
It's a long off season, so maybe as the season gets closer, I will get a bit more energy back for it, but As of now I won't be donating any more money and I won't be getting season tickets anymore(after 15 consecutive years). Never thought I'd see the day to be honest, but this pushed me over the edge.
Guru MU needs the energy of loyal fans like you. The season is still going to be good next year as we have plenty of talent returning . Bailey and Cain will do a great job replacing the Hausers and Greg is going to be a force with Koby. MU will be more of an Ed Cooley type team next year. Hopefully you will see your way to getting your season tickets.