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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 28, 2016, 04:47:18 PM
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I figured we should start a thread to discuss Big East results and general conversation throughout the season.
I will start the discussion out with this...what is the best case distribution of wins and losses to get the most possible BE teams into the dance. I think something along these lines:
Villanova: 13-5
Butler: 12-6
Creighton: 12-6
Xavier: 11-7
Seton Hall: 10-8
Marquette: 10-8
Georgetown: 10-8
Providence: 10-8
St. Johns: 2-16
Depaul: 0-18
That could theoretically get 8 teams into the tournament. I think Villanova will probably win 15+ games, however.
Here are tonight's matchups and TV info (courtesy of MUPanther):
5:30pm- DePaul at 1 Villanova, FS1 - Joe Davis, Bill Raftery
Line: Villanova -25
6:00pm Providence at 17 Xavier, FSN - Justin Kutcher, Stephen Bardo
Line: Xavier -11
7:00pm Seton Hall at 9 Creighton, FS2 - Steve Physioc, Nick Bahe
Line: Creighton - 9.5
7:45pm Georgetown at Marquette, FS1 - Tim Brando, Jim Jackson
Line: Marquette -4.5
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I figured we should start a thread to discuss Big East results and general conversation throughout the season.
I will start the discussion out with this...what is the best case distribution of wins and losses to get the most possible BE teams into the dance. I think something along these lines:
Villanova: 13-5
Butler: 12-6
Creighton: 12-6
Xavier: 11-7
Seton Hall: 10-8
Marquette: 10-8
Georgetown: 9-9
Providence: 9-9
St. Johns: 2-14
Depaul: 0-16
That could theoretically get 8 teams into the tournament. I think Villanova will probably win 15+ games, however.
I think Georgetown needs at least 10-8 to make the NCAA. With the bad loss to Boston College, Providence might need that too. You could subtract some wins from the teams at the top to make that happen. If we have 8 teams finish 10-8 or better, than you definitely would see 8 teams in the tournament.
Unfortunately, I think Nova and Creighton both do better than that. Xavier looks about right. I think Butler ends up 11-7 or 10-8 as well. I'm not sold on them. I also am not sold on Providence. They are a well coached team but I don't think they have the talent to compete with the BEast. I also think St. John's will win one or two they shouldn't and that could sabotage a team's resume. The battle between Seton Hall, Marquette, Georgetown, and Providence will be interesting.
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Interesting take. 8 in would be nice. But since you're dealing with hypothetical, wouldn't you turn the 8 teams upside down....give nova the losses and GT the wins. Getting real convoluted, say DePaul or STJ goes 17-1, we could shoehorn 9 in :P
But I get what you're saying. What's possible. I think 6 in.
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DePaul down 9 at Nova with 12.5 to go.
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I figured we should start a thread to discuss Big East results and general conversation throughout the season.
I will start the discussion out with this...what is the best case distribution of wins and losses to get the most possible BE teams into the dance. I think something along these lines:
Villanova: 13-5
Butler: 12-6
Creighton: 12-6
Xavier: 11-7
Seton Hall: 10-8
Marquette: 10-8
Georgetown: 10-8
Providence: 10-8
St. Johns: 2-16
Depaul: 0-18
That could theoretically get 8 teams into the tournament. I think Villanova will probably win 15+ games, however.
Here are tonight's matchups and TV info (courtesy of MUPanther):
5:30pm- DePaul at 1 Villanova, FS1 - Joe Davis, Bill Raftery
Line: Villanova -25
6:00pm Providence at 17 Xavier, FSN - Justin Kutcher, Stephen Bardo
Line: Xavier -11
7:00pm Seton Hall at 9 Creighton, FS2 - Steve Physioc, Nick Bahe
Line: Creighton - 9.5
7:45pm Georgetown at Marquette, FS1 - Tim Brando, Jim Jackson
Line: Marquette -4.5
You are being generous to DePaul.
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You are being generous to DePaul.
Don't know about that. They are within 3 of Nova with 8 minutes left. And they have the ball.
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Now they are tied. Courtside Club is going crazy
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DePaul with LEAD.
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This would be stunning if they could hold on.
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Tie game. 3.5 to go.
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Josh Hart-Strenth
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The game shows how when conference play starts, anything can happen.
A bad Depaul team giving the #1 a run for their money.
in the Big(number challenged), Nebraska is in a nail biter with the tan-one in at Indiana.
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Reminder that Depaul was a 26 point underdog. I don't know where too look it up but I have to believe this is one of the largest point spread in Big East Conference play history.
If Depaul pulls it off, it is a Virginia/Chamanide level upset.
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Reminder that Depaul was a 26 point underdog. I don't know where too look it up but I have to believe this is one of the largest point spread in Big East Conference play history.
If Depaul pulls it off, it is a Virginia/Chamanide level upset.
I heard that somewhere.
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Depaul is bad because of coaching. Cain and Garrett though are very good players. If they are playing well, they can be tough. Problem is they are as undisciplined as ever (most of the time).
Hart: Guts. 0-5 from 3 for the night. Drills a 3 to put them up 4...then a and-one by Garrett on the other end.
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DePaul with a chance to tie with 5 secs left.
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Great game by DePaul. It was coupled by an awful game by Nova, but still good to see. Hope this is a confidence boost for DePaul going forward, except for our two games against them.
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X takes PC to the woodshed. 27 point W.
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X takes PC to the woodshed. 27 point W.
PC also lost to Boston College right before Christmas. BC is the lowest ranked P5 plus BE schools in the country.
PC is playing REALLY BAD right now.
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down goes tc, down goes tc down goes tc :D
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PC also lost to Boston College right before Christmas. BC is the lowest ranked P5 plus BE schools in the country.
PC is playing REALLY BAD right now.
Wow! Worse than Rutgers.
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Great game by DePaul. It was coupled by an awful game by Nova, but still good to see. Hope this is a confidence boost for DePaul going forward, except for our two games against them.
I'm glad we're not playing Nova Sunday. Somebody is gettin' a beatdown.
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That would be Creighton
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I'm glad we're not playing Nova Sunday. Somebody is gettin' a beatdown.
They are at Creighton. I doubt a beat down will be coming.
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The close win over Depaul might be the best thing for Nova. A good wake up call to keep them focused.
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Butler @ St John's, 38-38, halftime.
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I'd be perfectly fine with 5 bids in if we see another Big East team in the Final Four this season — and maybe one or two others in the Sweet 16, for good measure.
In my opinion, teams making an impact in the NCAAs is better for the conference (and thus for Marquette). Once the tournament begins, nobody notices or remembers the 8th team in from some super conference that loses in the first round.
Conferences are known for their championship pedigrees. The ACC for Duke and NC (and I guess now Louisville). The B12 for Kansas. The Big 10 for Michigan State and Indiana. The Pac-12 for UCLA and Arizona. The SEC for Kentucky and Florida.
Right now, Villanova is the Big East's best candidate for creating a strong national identity in the eyes of fans and recruits. Hopefully we can join them — or knock them off the top perch — very soon.
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No easy wins in the Beast. St. John's defeats Butler
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Butler might fade back to mid pack here soon.
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Butler might fade back to mid pack here soon.
Because they lost one game?
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Because they lost one game?
Because they are not that good
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Here's a scenario for you guys who are into this to kick around:
Suppose every team in the Big East wins every home game and loses every away game. In other words, they go 1-1 against every other BEast team. Also suppose that every game in the Big East tournament was hard-fought and very close.
How would the selection committee determine how many Big East teams should get into the tournament? Would they base it mostly on non-con performances?
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Because they are not that good
They are not that good because they lost one game?
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They are not that good because they lost one game?
Because they are not that good
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Here's a scenario for you guys who are into this to kick around:
Suppose every team in the Big East wins every home game and loses every away game. In other words, they go 1-1 against every other BEast team. Also suppose that every game in the Big East tournament was hard-fought and very close.
How would the selection committee determine how many Big East teams should get into the tournament? Would they base it mostly on non-con performances?
Okay. I'm game.
For starters, someone has to win the Big East tournament. Let's say St. John's, because they're playing at home in Madison Square Garden. They get the automatic bid with a record of 19-16 (9-9). Probably no better than a 12 seed. The rest would have to be based on non-conference results.
Losing all their away games would hurt good teams like Villanova, Creighton and Xavier the most. Nova's record at the end of the regular season, for example, would be 22-9 (9-9). Say they go to the BE championship and finish 24-10 (9-9). With every loss to an inferior team (based on pre-conference season rankings), the Wildcat's ranking would drop. They'd get maybe a 4 seed at best.
Xavier, Butler and Creighton probably still get bids — but somewhere in the 6 to 11 range. Marquette's prospects might not change that much, since we're projected to finish close to 9-9 anyway. On the bubble, maybe one of the last teams in.
I can't believe I just spent any amount of time thinking about this.
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Here's a scenario for you guys who are into this to kick around:
Suppose every team in the Big East wins every home game and loses every away game. In other words, they go 1-1 against every other BEast team. Also suppose that every game in the Big East tournament was hard-fought and very close.
How would the selection committee determine how many Big East teams should get into the tournament? Would they base it mostly on non-con performances?
RPI :/
They claim not to care about conf affiliation...
So, overall year's perf compared to all teams in the nation
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RPI :/
They claim not to care about conf affiliation...
So, overall year's perf compared to all teams in the nation
For some reason, reading this makes me think about a thread maybe a year ago about the prospects of a Marquette team coached by mini Al McGuire (or with a roster entirely made up of mini Al McGuires, I can't remember).
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Haven't been sold on Butler all season. Still not sold.
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Haven't been sold on Butler all season. Still not sold.
Continue to play some D and MU can make a little hay here.
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They are at Creighton. I doubt a beat down will be coming.
True dat. Should be a helluva game. How bout them Johnnie!
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I'm one of many that's done the math to 10-8 with assumed wins home and away against STJ, DP ... assumed losses against NOVACORPS and mostly against CR, BT and X... but maybe we've got to throw all that math away.
I'm now seeing SH away as critical as GT at home because you just never know when a DePaul will be a jump shot away from tying the no1 team in the land.
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The close win over Depaul might be the best thing for Nova. A good wake up call to keep them focused.
They have won 19 straight, 45 at home (on campus court) and a national championship.
Oh, and they also beat Deapul are are still #1.
So why do you think they needed a wake up call and how exactly were they losing their focus?
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They have won 19 straight, 45 at home (on campus court) and a national championship.
Oh, and they also beat Deapul are are still #1.
So why do you think they needed a wake up call and how exactly were they losing their focus?
They were playing the perennial conference doormat at home the first game of the BE season, their first game after Christmas, before going on the road to play a top 10 team.
Pretty obvious how they could lose their focus going up 12 in the second half.
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They were playing the perennial conference doormat at home the first game of the BE season, their first game after Christmas, before going on the road to play a top 10 team.
Pretty obvious how they could lose their focus going up 12 in the second half.
Yep. Classic trap game.
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They have won 19 straight, 45 at home (on campus court) and a national championship.
Oh, and they also beat Deapul are are still #1.
So why do you think they needed a wake up call and how exactly were they losing their focus?
Nova is on a great run....great to have a class act coach and program in our league for everyone else to aspire to. I think we need to mention Archie the human wakeup call that graduated last year. Real name Ryan Arcidiacono - I swear I thought his name was really Archie Diacono for a long time.
That guy will never make the NBA (although trying in the D league...I think the Spurs related). But I "hated him", he was frustrating but he was a general and I felt always on his toes. Nova may be even better this year but they may need a wakeup call not having Archie.
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They have won 19 straight, 45 at home (on campus court) and a national championship.
Oh, and they also beat Deapul are are still #1.
So why do you think they needed a wake up call and how exactly were they losing their focus?
Because they had won 19 straight, 45 straight at home, and a national championship.
When you win so many in a row, its easy to get a little complacent and think you are going to roll every team you play. A good scare against a bad team is a good way to ingrain the mindset that you can't take any opponent lightly.
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Because they are not that good
Ah. So you've got nothing.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18376358/butler-bulldogs-team-plane-loses-cabin-pressure-coach-says-was-scary-had-guys-crying
First a bad loss then this.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18376358/butler-bulldogs-team-plane-loses-cabin-pressure-coach-says-was-scary-had-guys-crying
First a bad loss then this.
I remember some pretty severe turbulence on the charter plane back from Cleveland after we beat Syracuse (I was in the band). I was gripping the armrest, players in the back were screaming.
What happened to Butler last night is so much worse. That's the type of trauma that could leave lasting issues. Glad everyone is ok.
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I do hope they find what caused the cabin to lose pressure. Should give EVERY D1 team pause when flying charter until the know what happened.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18376358/butler-bulldogs-team-plane-loses-cabin-pressure-coach-says-was-scary-had-guys-crying
First a bad loss then this.
Scary crap right there. Can't imagine being a part of something like that.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18376358/butler-bulldogs-team-plane-loses-cabin-pressure-coach-says-was-scary-had-guys-crying
First a bad loss then this.
12 minutes to go from 35,000-10,000 feet. Wimps, I've done it in about a minute.
Honestly, though probably terrifying for them.
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I do hope they find what caused the cabin to lose pressure. Should give EVERY D1 team pause when flying charter until the know what happened.
Every team? Why? It happens...thankfully very rarely.
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I think we need to mention Archie the human wakeup call that graduated last year. Real name Ryan Arcidiacono - I swear I thought his name was really Archie Diacono Diaganeau for a long time.
FIFY ;)
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I'm watching the Xavier/Gtown game. Are the Xavier player wearing pantyhose?
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Only one half but Georgetown looks way better, and Pryor has been quite. They've had 2X as many successful backdoor cuts in one half today than in a full game vs. MU
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Only one half but Georgetown looks way better, and Pryor has been quite. They've had 2X as many successful backdoor cuts in one half today than in a full game vs. MU
Yeah, Peak looks good today.
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Yeah, Peak looks good today.
Yup, and didn't he come out in the 2nd half of our game and take like the first 2-3 shots? Makes me think he wasn't so much hurt against us as completely shut down and frustrated.
Whoever at FS1 updates the score really needs to be replaced, it seems like it is wrong as often as it is right.
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Yup, and didn't he come out in the 2nd half of our game and take like the first 2-3 shots? Makes me think he wasn't so much hurt against us as completely shut down and frustrated.
Whoever at FS1 updates the score really needs to be replaced, it seems like it is wrong as often as it is right.
Was gonna mention the scoreboard part
It's getting sad
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Yup, and didn't he come out in the 2nd half of our game and take like the first 2-3 shots? Makes me think he wasn't so much hurt against us as completely shut down and frustrated.
Whoever at FS1 updates the score really needs to be replaced, it seems like it is wrong as often as it is right.
Especially frustrating when you bet on the game
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X's has hoisted some awful 3P shots this half, including 2 air balls. Very beatable
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I'm watching the Xavier/Gtown game. Are the Xavier player wearing pantyhose?
When worn during a sporting activity they're compression leggings.
When worn for pleasure they're pantyhose.
It's all in the positioning. Guy in my running group wears them and we're relentless on him.
Edit: G'Town is playing pretty good today. From what i've seen it looks like as long as keep X on the perimeter we'll have a shot (i've watched a total of 15 minutes of them though)
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Tough game to watch. 61 fouls called, was free throw contest.
X had 38 attempts and Geo had 23. Believe Geo was 2 for last 9.
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Only one half but Georgetown looks way better, and Pryor has been quite. They've had 2X as many successful backdoor cuts in one half today than in a full game vs. MU
But is their defense lazy?
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I am throwing all my pre-conceived notions out the door...about STJ, about DP, about X, about Butler, about NOVA.....and even about MU. Lets win the BE.
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I am throwing all my pre-conceived notions out the door...about STJ, about DP, about X, about Butler, about NOVA.....and even about MU. Lets win the BE.
The BE might be a crapshoot all of a sudden.
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How long would a player typically be out with "tendonitis?" I'm not even sure tendonitis of what, but that's what Booth is out with. He was a solid glue guy for them last year, and they're still up 5 at top 10 Creighton, where UW got shellacked. Nova is tough, both physically and mentally.
Oh, and Creighton hasn't forgotten how to flop.
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How long would a player typically be out with "tendonitis?" I'm not even sure tendonitis of what, but that's what Booth is out with. He was a solid glue guy for them last year, and they're still up 5 at top 10 Creighton, where UW got shellacked. Nova is tough, both physically and mentally.
Oh, and Creighton hasn't forgotten how to flop.
Tendonitis and tendonosis can take up to 6-8 weeks to heal if it is severe. I've had tendonosis in both my knees and ankles and it is a weird injury in that it can linger for weeks but then suddenly clear up almost overnight.
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If nova had spellman idk how they would lose
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Nova is the defending champs and undefeated for a reason.
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DePaul / SJU in a battle w 10 to go.
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Butler up 19 on PC at half.
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DePaul / SJU in a battle w 10 to go.
SJU grabs 6 point W at DePaul.
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SJU grabs 6 point W at DePaul.
By the transitive property of basketball, SJU is three points better than Villanova. #mathdon'tlie
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After Novas loss to Butler, looks like GT is about to drop one at Providence.
Winning in the road in the BE is hard to do.
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There goes my trap game theory. I was hoping Nova would overlook us at home between BU and X...now they won't
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After Novas loss to Butler, looks like GT is about to drop one at Providence.
Winning in the road in the BE is hard to do.
I hope MU remembers that...DO NOT lose at home...that's their easiest path to the tourney, win all your home games, that's 9 wins right there, win @ dePaul...that's 10, @ Providence 11, @ SJU...12.
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The close win over Depaul might be the best thing for Nova. A good wake up call to keep them focused.
We should ban the use of the phrases wake up call and the word focused.
First these concepts do not exist.
Second, they reflect (poorly) on those that use these terms rather than providing the insight these terms are supposedly are intended to do. See #1
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We should ban the use of the phrases wake up call and the word focused.
First these concepts do not exist.
Second, they reflect (poorly) on those that use these terms rather than providing the insight these terms are supposedly are intended to do. See #1
You're telling me a team's never gone through the motions in practice and as a result isn't as sharp as they should have been, resulting in a game that's closer than it should have been (or even a loss), followed by them working their ass off and being sharper for their next game?
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After Novas loss to Butler, looks like GT is about to drop one at Providence.
Winning in the road in the BE is hard to do.
GT 0-3 start. Rough.
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You're telling me a team's never gone through the motions in practice and as a result isn't as sharp as they should have been, resulting in a game that's closer than it should have been (or even a loss), followed by them working their ass off and being sharper for their next game?
Well, Creighton is responding to its loss against Nova by putting the beat down on St. John's.
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We should ban the use of the phrases wake up call and the word focused.
First these concepts do not exist.
Second, they reflect (poorly) on those that use these terms rather than providing the insight these terms are supposedly are intended to do. See #1
You don't believe "focus" exists?
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You're telling me a team's never gone through the motions in practice and as a result isn't as sharp as they should have been, resulting in a game that's closer than it should have been (or even a loss), followed by them working their ass off and being sharper for their next game?
Not in the way you describe. You believe in mythology.
To be clear, teams have good an bad games. To attribute that to "wake up calls and losing focus is uninformed fan talk.
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You don't believe "focus" exists?
Not in the way it was used here
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Nova is going to be hungry Saturday. We better come to play.
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We should ban the use of the phrases wake up call and the word focused.
First these concepts do not exist.
Second, they reflect (poorly) on those that use these terms rather than providing the insight these terms are supposedly are intended to do. See #1
This seems like a weird thing to get up in arms about.
I've never played college basketball so I have no idea how often or how much close wins or unexpected losses act as a "wake up call" or help teams "stay focused." I imagine that you haven't either. I do know my own field. I'm very good at my job. I don't think it would be a stretch to call myself the Villanova of Title IX Investigators. I will sometimes run a training for a department without doing as much preparation as I should. I get the training done, but its sloppy and I know there were moments I looked bad out there. That has sometimes inspired me to put in extra prep work which in turn has allowed me to crush the next training. I might even dare to say that my poor performance in the first training acted as a "wake up call" and helped me to "stay focused."
I know. College basketball isn't nearly as entertaining or exciting as my job....but I imagine that my experience might be transferable
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I think there's only one way to settle this, but it requires a ban lift on Ners for his official opinion on the matter
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There goes my trap game theory. I was hoping Nova would overlook us at home between BU and X...now they won't
To me this is a sad statement. That is the idea that ant team would overlook a game against Marquette.
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We should ban the use of the phrases wake up call and the word focused.
First these concepts do not exist.
Second, they reflect (poorly) on those that use these terms rather than providing the insight these terms are supposedly are intended to do. See #1
This is probably the silliest thing ever posted here. Just completely disconnected from reality. Wake up calls and focus are real in all walks of life, in every profession, and especially when talking about college aged individuals.
If you really think everyone has the same focus level every time out in any endeavor, you could not be more patently wrong.
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If you really think everyone has the same focus level every time out in any endeavor, you could not be more patently wrong.
Luckily as fans we don't have the same problem since we have wades to remind us the most important game of the season is the next one.
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A few things about Nova from the game last night
This year Nova is not last year Nova, IMO. Loss of Arci and Ochefu hurts them, obviously.
Brunson was good last year but he has taken it to another level. Think he's a pro after this year. This will be a bad matchup for MU. Not sure M2N can guard him
They've been playing without Phil Booth, who may return Saturday. That would stink.
Hart had a bad shooting night. He'll probably have 2 of those in a row.
Butler got some solid looks from 3, but made just 5 of 20. Hoping MU gets same looks and converts.
All things considered, I don't feel good about Saturday. Never really did, though.
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A few things about Nova from the game last night
This year Nova is not last year Nova, IMO. Loss of Arci and Ochefu hurts them, obviously.
Brunson was good last year but he has taken it to another level. Think he's a pro after this year. This will be a bad matchup for MU. Not sure M2N can guard him
They've been playing without Phil Booth, who may return Saturday. That would stink.
Hart had a bad shooting night. He'll probably have 2 of those in a row.
Butler got some solid looks from 3, but made just 5 of 20. Hoping MU gets same looks and converts.
All things considered, I don't feel good about Saturday. Never really did, though.
They just have to play with confidence
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They just have to play with confidence
You should be the coach
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This is probably the silliest thing ever posted here. Just completely disconnected from reality. Wake up calls and focus are real in all walks of life, in every profession, and especially when talking about college aged individuals.
If you really think everyone has the same focus level every time out in any endeavor, you could not be more patently wrong.
You're assuming that only one team is on the floor. That Nova was playing the Washington Generals and not Butler and Butler had nothing whatsoever to do with them winning. The game was all about what Nova did or did not do. And the only factor was Nova's focus and needing a wake-up call. I will again remind you this same idea was floated last week after they almost lost to Depaul and they again had another bad game.
That is why adherence to these one sided notion that only one team matters in the win/loss is silly.
What is silly fan talk ... just spewing a bunch of cliches, then spew more and then site back and pretend it is actually brilliance.
Brew, you're better than this.
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This seems like a weird thing to get up in arms about.
I've never played college basketball so I have no idea how often or how much close wins or unexpected losses act as a "wake up call" or help teams "stay focused." I imagine that you haven't either. I do know my own field. I'm very good at my job. I don't think it would be a stretch to call myself the Villanova of Title IX Investigators. I will sometimes run a training for a department without doing as much preparation as I should. I get the training done, but its sloppy and I know there were moments I looked bad out there. That has sometimes inspired me to put in extra prep work which in turn has allowed me to crush the next training. I might even dare to say that my poor performance in the first training acted as a "wake up call" and helped me to "stay focused."
I know. College basketball isn't nearly as entertaining or exciting as my job....but I imagine that my experience might be transferable
Your analogy works because it is one-sided. you are not competing with someone that might actually effect your performance.
That is why is fails when it comes to a competition.
Let me throw out on anecdote. Both Kornheiser and Wilbon on PTI both predicted a Butler win yesterday afternoon. Point is this was hardly an upset (like it would be if we beat them) and maybe, just maybe, the answer is Nova is really not as good as #1 suggests.
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You're assuming that only one team is on the floor. That Nova was playing the Washington Generals and not Butler and Butler had nothing whatsoever to do with them winning. The game was all about what Nova did or did not do. And the only factor was Nova's focus and needing a wake-up call. I will again remind you this same idea was floated last week after they almost lost to Depaul and they again had another bad game.
That is why adherence to these one sided notion that only one team matters in the win/loss is silly.
What is silly fan talk ... just spewing a bunch of cliches, then spew more and then site back and pretend it is actually brilliance.
Brew, you're better than this.
Not sure where you found evidence of people using terms like "wake-up call" and "focus" to mean that only one team matters in a win/loss. (edit: I can see how TAMU's analogy introduced the "one-sided" nature that you're referring to)
Each team has their own floor/ceiling. Whether a team is playing at their own respective floor/ceiling can be attributed to their level of focus/commitment/energy at any given point during a season. Both teams playing at their own respective current levels helps determines who's going to win a game.
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Luckily as fans we don't have the same problem since we have wades to remind us the most important game of the season is the next one.
Thank God.
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You're assuming that only one team is on the floor. That Nova was playing the Washington Generals and not Butler and Butler had nothing whatsoever to do with them winning. The game was all about what Nova did or did not do. And the only factor was Nova's focus and needing a wake-up call. I will again remind you this same idea was floated last week after they almost lost to Depaul and they again had another bad game.
That is why adherence to these one sided notion that only one team matters in the win/loss is silly.
What is silly fan talk ... just spewing a bunch of cliches, then spew more and then site back and pretend it is actually brilliance.
Brew, you're better than this.
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How do the terms wake up call or focus imply that basketball is a one sided game? Basketball is obviously two sided. The close Nova win over Depaul (what originally started this mess) happened because Nova played poorly and Depaul played well. If Nova had played well and Depaul played well, Nova would have won by double digits because they are a better team. My comment was that the close win might be a wake up call (or in other words, motivation) to put in extra time and focus into preparing for the next game. Never said that it would be the cause of them winning or losing a game. Never said the other team has no effect on their performance. Just that it might inspire them to focus in practice which could make them tougher in the next game. Or it could not.
Again, a very weird thing to get up in arms about.
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Your analogy works because it is one-sided. you are not competing with someone that might actually effect your performance.
That is why is fails when it comes to a competition.
Why does it fail when it comes to competition? Do teams not practice and prepare for competitions? Doesn't practice and preparation give a team a better chance to win? Notice that I said better chance to win, not is the determining factor in who wins.
Let me throw out on anecdote. Both Kornheiser and Wilbon on PTI both predicted a Butler win yesterday afternoon. Point is this was hardly an upset (like it would be if we beat them) and maybe, just maybe, the answer is Nova is really not as good as #1 suggests.
When did I ever say that this was an upset? Or that Nova is as good #1 suggests? Or that focus or wake up calls were the answer to why Nova lost last night?
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You're assuming that only one team is on the floor. That Nova was playing the Washington Generals and not Butler and Butler had nothing whatsoever to do with them winning. The game was all about what Nova did or did not do. And the only factor was Nova's focus and needing a wake-up call. I will again remind you this same idea was floated last week after they almost lost to Depaul and they again had another bad game.
That is why adherence to these one sided notion that only one team matters in the win/loss is silly.
What is silly fan talk ... just spewing a bunch of cliches, then spew more and then site back and pretend it is actually brilliance.
Brew, you're better than this.
I'm not assuming that at all. No one is saying that 'Nova's focus or needing a wake up call were the only factors. But dismissing the idea that 'Nova could lose focus out of hand is just silly. And acting like the concepts of focus or a wake up call don't exist is equally silly. Better teams can lose to lesser teams and the reason can be because the better team wasn't focused.
There can be other factors. It can be coaching, preparation, effort, or one team just clicking on all cylinders while the other team is just off their games. But the idea that no one could ever lose because they overlooked an opponent (which is your exact premise when you assert those concepts don't exist) is absolutely preposterous.
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In yesterday's PTI (Jan 5) Wilbon admonished Kornheiser for not watching college basketball. Wilbon said the six week old CBB season has been great because so many teams are passing up "buy games" for real match ups that make the early season more interesting.
Wilbon also called Nova/Butler a great game and both agreed that the Big East is the best basketball conference in the country, noting they have 4 teams ranked this week, including #1.
Jan 5, 2017 PTI Podcast (comments about start around 20:30)
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18415423
These two guys absolutely carry the water for the mother-ship of ESPN. So in 2014 when "30 for 30" did 'Requiem For The Big East' these guys spent literally a year talking about the Big East in the past tense. One for be forgiven for thinking the Big East no longer existed.
http://www.espn.com/30for30/film?page=requiemforthebigeast
It was pointed out here and elsewhere that part of ESPN's "bashing" of the Big East might have been their move to Fox Sports. ESPN was literally created to broadcast Big East basketball and its early years where defined by showing Big East Basketball. So they came off, at least to me, acting like the Big East moving to Fox Sports was some sort of betrayal.
So this got me thinking, if they are now admitting that the Big East not only still exists and might also be the best basketball conference in the country, is this becoming accepted wisdom? And if so, has the Big East finally move past the "funeral stage" of 2014 and still carries the swagger with basketball fans and high school recruits that it always has?
Thoughts?
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And if so, has the Big East finally move past the "funeral stage" of 2014 and still carries the swagger with basketball fans and high school recruits that it always has?
I think that is pretty obvious to anyone that pays any attention whatsoever to CBB.
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If you look at recruiting and bid history, we never lost that swagger. The league is still pulling both McDonald's All Americans and top-100 recruits on par with almost anyone. 5 bids per year is the equivalent of 8 in the old league.
Some ESPN personalities tried to bury the league, and the Requiem piece was an insult to the current membership, but others (Dana O'Neill comes to mind) always treated the league fairly.
At the end of the day, ESPN simply can't be intellectually honest by disregarding the league that has the defending national champs and 4 teams in their own top-25 poll. As the recruits, other media, and Selection Committee treated us with respect, it was only a matter of time before the four letter network had to do the same.
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I think that is pretty obvious to anyone that pays any attention whatsoever to CBB.
It was not obvious to ESPN watchers the last few years. They did a eulogy of the league!!
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It was not obvious to ESPN watchers the last few years. They did a eulogy of the league!!
Can you think of any reason it would be in ESPN's interest to belittle the Big East?
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Can you think of any reason it would be in ESPN's interest to belittle the Big East?
They do not have the Big East television contract.
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Can you think of any reason it would be in ESPN's interest to belittle the Big East?
Ratings.
If people don't think the BE is good, then they won't watch.
Belittle the BE and fans will tune in to watch #2 Kentucky vs Arkansas instead of #10 butler vs #13 Xavier.
Ratings = money.
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They do not have the Big East television contract.
That's what i was pushing heisy to
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That's what i was pushing heisy to
Pushing me to what? I said they did not have the TV contract in my post. In fact I said it twice. Did you read it?
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Pushing me to what? I said they did not have the TV contract in my post. In fact I said it twice. Did you read it?
Read what?
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The post at the top of page 5.
See this is why I start new threads, you guys are utterly incapable of following conversations in multi-page threads, because multi-page threads are impossible to read.
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The post at the top of page 5.
See this is why I start new threads, you guys are utterly incapable of following conversations in multi-page threads, because multi-page threads are impossible to read.
I'm sorry...who are you?
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No, I think we all followed it fairly well and are completely yanking your chain.
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The post at the top of page 5.
Is that in the future? This thread is only on page 3.
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Is that in the future? This thread is only on page 3.
You must have modified you posts per thread settings. By the default settings, we are definitely on page 5.
Profile -> Look and Layout -> Messages to display per page: (default is 25)
But this brings up a good point. Since that's a variable thing, it would be better to reference reply #100, which does not vary..
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You must have modified you posts per thread settings. By the default settings, we are definitely on page 5.
Profile -> Look and Layout -> Messages to display per page: (default is 25)
But this brings up a good point. Since that's a variable thing, it would be better to reference reply #100, which does not vary..
Give it up and just start new threads. It appears Brew has been lost since the E8 season.
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You must have modified you posts per thread settings. By the default settings, we are definitely on page 5.
Profile -> Look and Layout -> Messages to display per page: (default is 25)
But this brings up a good point. Since that's a variable thing, it would be better to reference reply #100, which does not vary..
Oh absolutely modified. Max PPP always on every site. 25 PPP is for chumps.
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Pushing me to what? I said they did not have the TV contract in my post. In fact I said it twice. Did you read it?
you mean that post where you talked about ESPN viewers believing the BE is dead because they ran eulogy on the conference? It was not obvious to ESPN watchers the last few years. They did a eulogy of the league!!
did you read it?
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Georgetown has taken Butler to overtime. Tied at 68 on the Fox mothership.
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Georgetown has taken Butler to overtime. Tied at 68 on the Fox mothership.
GT just can't figure it out. Had this game won in regulation and are now down 6 with 1 to go into OT.
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Pryor 0/8 with a goose egg today.
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10-0 run by Butler, put a nail in Georgetown, this one is done.
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10-0 run by Butler, put a nail in Georgetown, this one is done.
Hoya scoop has got to be in full meltdown.
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GT still fouling with 9 seconds on the clock, trailing by 8. It's over, lads.
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GT still fouling with 9 seconds on the clock, trailing by 8. It's over, lads.
One thing I appreciate about NBA ball. When the game is out of reach, the fouling stops. These college coaches who continue fouling even though there is no chance of a comeback is really annoying.
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You must have modified you posts per thread settings. By the default settings, we are definitely on page 5.
Profile -> Look and Layout -> Messages to display per page: (default is 25)
But this brings up a good point. Since that's a variable thing, it would be better to reference reply #100, which does not vary..
Superbar. Or start a new thread. :o
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Hoya scoop has got to be in full meltdown.
Last time Georgetown was 0-4 in conference, John Thompson resigned the next day. Will we see a repeat tomorrow?
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One thing I appreciate about NBA ball. When the game is out of reach, the fouling stops. These college coaches who continue fouling even though there is no chance of a comeback is really annoying.
JTIII was criticized for calling off the dogs in their previous conference losses. Today's application could have been a response to that.
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Tonight's game:
SJU @ Georgetown. 5:30 CT on FS1. Georgetown looking to get their 1st BE win.
Standings through 1/8:
#15 Xavier: 3-0
#3 Villanova: 3-1
#8 Creighton: 3-1
#12 Butler: 3-1
Seton Hall: 2-1
St. John's: 2-2
Marquette: 1-2
Providence: 1-3
Depaul: 0-3
Georgetown: 0-4
Other games this week:
Tuesday:
X @ Nova (6pm CT - FS1)
Providence @ Depaul (8pm CT - FS1)
Wednesday:
Seton Hall @ MU (6pm - FS1)
Butler @ Creighton (8pm - FS1)
Saturday:
UCONN @ Georgetown (11am - FOX)
Seton Hall @ Providence (11am - FSN)
Nova @ SJU (11am - FS1)
Truman State @ Creighton (Noon - FS2)
Xavier @ Butler (1pm - FS1)
Depaul @ Marquette (1pm - FSN)
If the favored teams win their games (all home teams, except Prov @ Depaul and Nova @ SJU), standings will look like this next Saturday evening:
#3 Villanova: 5-1
#8 Creighton: 4-1
#12 Butler: 4-2
#15 Xavier: 3-2
Seton Hall: 3-2
Marquette: 3-2
Providence: 2-4
St. John's: 2-4
Georgetown: 1-4
Depaul: 0-5
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If the favored teams win their games (all home teams, except Prov @ Depaul and Nova @ SJU), standings will look like this next Saturday evening:
#3 Villanova: 5-1
#8 Creighton: 4-1
#12 Butler: 4-2
#15 Xavier: 3-2
Seton Hall: 3-2
Marquette: 3-2
Providence: 2-4
St. John's: 2-4
Georgetown: 1-4
Depaul: 0-5
Flip flop Georgetown and Providence and the pre-season predictions are spot on.
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If we're at 3-2 we're in a really good spot. That leaves us with 6 of our remaining 13 games against teams below us in the standings. But then we have a gauntlet. So getting to that 3-2 is incredibly important, because we're probably sitting at 3-5...and still with 6 games against the teams below us in the standings.
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If we're at 3-2 we're in a really good spot. That leaves us with 7 of our remaining 13 games against teams below us in the standings. But then we have a gauntlet. So getting to that 3-2 is incredibly important, because we're probably sitting at 3-5...and still with 7 games against the teams below us in the standings.
Yep. If we can somehow grab 1 of @ Butler, @ Creighton, vs. Nova, we'll be 4-4, with vs. Prov, @ SJU, @ Depaul as the next three. Can't find an easier 3 game stretch than that in this league. Realistically we'll be looking at 3-5 though after vs. Nova.
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Yep. If we can somehow grab 1 of @ Butler, @ Creighton, vs. Nova, we'll be 4-4, with vs. Prov, @ SJU, @ Depaul as the next three. Can't find an easier 3 game stretch than that in this league. Realistically we'll be looking at 3-5 though after vs. Nova.
If we start 4-4, buy your NCAA tickets.
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If we start 4-4, buy your NCAA tickets.
Yep. Preseason had us starting 2-6 but finishing 10-8. 4-4 start would have me very excited.
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Georgetown beat The Johnnies 83-55 tonight.
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Nova taking it to the Musketeers. Like to hear the whining on the XU board. They will lose by more than 12.
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Villanova must be coming off of a loss to take it out on Xavier like this, ai'na?
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Villanova must be coming off of a loss to take it out on Xavier like this, ai'na?
I get your point, but I do think Butler stirred the hornet's nest. They were playing like crap (for Nova) in the couple of previous games.
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We should be able to take care of XU at hone this time.
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I get your point, but I do think Butler stirred the hornet's nest. They were playing like crap (for Nova) in the couple of previous games.
Disagreed. I don't think the nest needed any stirring. Every team at every level in every sport is going to have some poor performances. A lot of good teams are going to lose at Hinkle this year. But when you're the best team in the country you're going to have really good outings more often than not. They had one of those against Marquette. Nova is simply that much better than Marquette (and many teams). They have a gigantic talent advantage at 4 out of 5 positions on the floor and in coaching. It had nothing to do with more hunger or anger because of a loss. It had everything to do with talent.
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Nova taking it to the Musketeers. Like to hear the whining on the XU board. They will lose by more than 12.
I switched to watch the Presidents speech.......cant wait to hear how X really gave up during garbage time and therefore MU's performance is lessened.
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I switched to watch the Presidents speech.......cant wait to hear how X really gave up during garbage time and therefore MU's performance is lessened.
The game ended before the President's speech started....you could have watched both in their entirety. But then you couldn't have made a trolling, snarky comment. So there's that.
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The game ended before the President's speech started....you could have watched both in their entirety. But then you couldn't have made a trolling, snarky comment. So there's that.
i stick with my choice.
also....sorry for taking away your ability to diminish MU's performance?
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Nova taking it to the Musketeers. Like to hear the whining on the XU board. They will lose by more than 12.
I think X is the one team above us that we can take at home. Butler maybe but they can match up better than X.
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I think X is the one team above us that we can take at home. Butler maybe but they can match up better than X.
So you think we'll go 5-4 or worse at home?
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So you think we'll go 5-4 or worse at home?
6-3. I think we get SH tomorrow. I see them in our range.
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DePaul beats Providence in their secret scrimmage at Allstate with a last second traditional 3 point play by Billy Garrett Jr.......
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DePaul beats Providence in their secret scrimmage at Allstate with a last second traditional 3 point play by Billy Garrett Jr.......
Classic example of a team playing the clock, instead of the opponent the last 6 minutes. Providence blew that game taking the air out of the ball.
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DePaul beats Providence in their secret scrimmage at Allstate with a last second traditional 3 point play by Billy Garrett Jr.......
That last part sounds familiar.
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DePaul beats Providence in their secret scrimmage at Allstate with a last second traditional 3 point play by Billy Garrett Jr.......
If you missed that game...PC drew up an excellent play down 1 worth 4.5 seconds. Cartwright missed a wide open lay up. Brutal.
Honestly don't hate it for us though. The 6th spot is looking like it's ours if we want it, and his league very well may get 6 in. Obviously hoping we can get ahead of Seton Hall for the 5th spot.
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I think X is the one team above us that we can take at home. Butler maybe but they can match up better than X.
Butler lost to Indiana St and St John's on road surely they can lose to us. And yes we can beat x at home too. Creighton is wild card.
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The only game I am certain we can't win is Nova at home. I'm fairly certain we can't beat Creighton on the road, but won't say 100% positive. Butler on the road, Creighton at home, and Xavier on the road are far more likely losses than wins. The rest of the games? Wouldn't be surprised with a win in any of them and wouldn't be surprised with a loss in any of them.
The Big East is tough. We are solid but not great. And when you're a solid team who is solid because of your ability to shoot, you can win some games against teams that might be better than you/in places that are difficult to win. But you can also lose some games you shouldn't.
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Providence 65 - Seton Hall 61
Helps MU's cause!
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Providence 65 - Seton Hall 61
Helps MU's cause!
Not sure it helps anyone in the Big East except Providence.
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Not sure it helps anyone in the Big East except Providence.
Since MU is tied with Seton Hall for fifth place I think that helps us.
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Since MU is tied with Seton Hall for fifth place I think that helps us.
Our resume is independent of Seton Hall's. This league should get 6 bids, but needs both Marquette and Seton Hall to keep up their end.
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Our resume is independent of Seton Hall's. This league should get 6 bids, but needs both Marquette and Seton Hall to keep up their end.
I get where you're coming from. Seton Hall can keep up their end below MU in the standings...
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Big East Coast Bias @becb_sbn 54s55 seconds ago
Current Big East is 27-6 vs. former Big East teams since realignment.
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Our resume is independent of Seton Hall's. This league should get 6 bids, but needs both Marquette and Seton Hall to keep up their end.
True, but I want to finish 5th or higher, if for no other reason than seeding in the BET.
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True, but I want to finish 5th or higher, if for no other reason than seeding in the BET.
+1
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+100.
MU is battling Hall for the 5th spot. Any loss by that dumpster fire program is a good thing.
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Butler fouled up 3, with 9 seconds left to allow Sumner to get 2 Fts. Poor decision, see if it hurts them.
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+100.
MU is battling Hall for the 5th spot. Any loss by that dumpster fire program is a good thing.
Hard to call SHU a dumpster fire at this point. At least if you have any idea what you're talking about, that is.
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Big East Coast Bias @becb_sbn 54s55 seconds ago
Current Big East is 27-6 vs. former Big East teams since realignment.
Good!
Fug em!
Go MU!
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Hard to call SHU a dumpster fire at this point. At least if you have any idea what you're talking about, that is.
Oh it absolutely is. They are near bankrupt and have had some questionable behavioral issues over the years. Its just a different kind of dumpster fire.
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Oh it absolutely is. They are near bankrupt and have had some questionable behavioral issues over the years. Its just a different kind of dumpster fire.
Meh. Pretty solid basketball program IMO.
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Meh. Pretty solid basketball program 2014 recruiting class IMO.
FIFY
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True, but I want to finish 5th or higher, if for no other reason than seeding in the BET.
The BEast's 5th place team dances almost 100% for sure. I want 5th (or better).
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Hard to call SHU a dumpster fire at this point. At least if you have any idea what you're talking about, that is.
It's a good thing I do have an idea what I'm talking about.
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How come Creighton played a D2 team today?
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How come Creighton played a D2 team today?
They were forced to by the Big East so they wouldn't have an unfair scheduling advantage with everyone playing on Monday. Creighton chose a D2 team because there weren't any quality opponents available and they didn't want an RPI hit from a sub-300.
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They were forced to by the Big East so they wouldn't have an unfair scheduling advantage with everyone playing on Monday. Creighton chose a D2 team because there weren't any quality opponents available and they didn't want an RPI hit from a sub-300.
Scoop is always there with great info. Thanks, this makes sense.
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I noticed Gtown and Nova are playing OOC games in between conference games. How come MU does not spread out its OOC schedule like that?
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I noticed Gtown and Nova are playing OOC games in between conference games. How come MU does not spread out its OOC schedule like that?
Is the post about Creighton playing a D2 team yesterday. Same thing applies.
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I noticed Gtown and Nova are playing OOC games in between conference games. How come MU does not spread out its OOC schedule like that?
We tried that last year, but everyone just complained about Stetson.
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Scoop is always there with great info. Thanks, this makes sense.
Announcer said that the TSU coach played for McDermott when at Northern Iowa so was doing him a favor.
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We tried that last year, but everyone just complained about Stetson.
2003 MU played Wake Forest during conference play. Josh Howard was on that team, which went on to get a 2 seed. Big time atmosphere for that game.
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2003 MU played Wake Forest during conference play. Josh Howard was on that team, which went on to get a 2 seed. Big time atmosphere for that game.
Didn't think I needed teal there. I was at that Wake game, great environment. Wade went over 1,000 points for his career that night, though by his standards had a very mediocre performance.
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Didn't think I needed teal there. I was at that Wake game, great environment. Wade went over 1,000 points for his career that night, though by his standards had a very mediocre performance.
That *afternoon*. Sunday game. Remember it like it was yesterday.
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Well, sucks for Creighton but it looks like Mo Watson just blew out his knee. Contactless play and told McDermott that "Im done, I heard it pop."
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Well, sucks for Creighton but it looks like Mo Watson just blew out his knee. Contactless play and told McDermott that "Im done, I heard it pop."
He was in real pain - too bad for the kid
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Hate to see a quality player like Watson go down.
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Creighton's equivalent of having DJames break his foot. The diagnosis can determine the rest of their season.
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No participation trophy for us today. And yes nova crushed us.
But atleast we played a game today. Hall is down almost 20 with 7 left in the first half.
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No participation trophy for us today. And yes nova crushed us.
But atleast we played a game today. Hall is down almost 20 with 7 left in the first half.
Hall is getting destroyed. Not even competing. Third in a row for a team many consider NCAA quality (and, bizarrely, Dickey Simpkins thought they were title worthy) with a ton of experienced players.
There is a lecture that can be had about the conference and perspective but I'll spend my time watching the flames rise from this dumpster fire.
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Hall is getting destroyed. Not even competing. Third in a row for a team many consider NCAA quality (and, bizarrely, Dickey Simpkins thought they were title worthy) with a ton of experienced players.
There is a lecture that can be had about the conference and perspective but I'll spend my time watching the flames rise from this dumpster fire.
Dickie Simpkins thought that an Isaiah Whitehead - less Seton Hall team was title worthy? Dumb, but then again it's only Dickie Simpkins.
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Dickie Simpkins thought that an Isaiah Whitehead - less Seton Hall team was title worthy? Dumb, but then again it's only Dickie Simpkins.
A masterclass in nonsense every game for Simpkins. He stated in second half of game in Milwaukee last week that if Hall were to compete with Nova and Creighton for the title, "like I think they are capable", then they have to hit their free throws down the stretch on the road.
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A masterclass in nonsense every game for Simpkins. He stated in second half of game in Milwaukee last week that if Hall were to compete with Nova and Creighton for the title, "like I think they are capable", then they have to hit their free throws down the stretch on the road.
He's a beauty.
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I'm not angry to be seeing hall struggle. If we can get a bit of separation between 5th and 6th in the league I'm all for it. (Of course assuming we are 5th)
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Standings through 1/16:
#1 Villanova: 6-1
#7 Creighton: 5-1
#13 Butler: 5-2
#22 Xavier: 3-3
Marquette: 3-3
Providence: 3-4
St. John's: 3-4
Seton Hall: 2-4
Georgetown: 1-5
Depaul: 1-5
Saturday's Slate:
Providence @ Nova (11am - FOX)
Butler @ Depaul (1pm - FS2)
Marquette @ Creighton (130pm - FS1)
Sunday:
SJU @ Seton Hall (11am - FS1)
Georgetown @ Xavier (1pm - CBS)
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Standings through 1/16:
#1 Villanova: 6-1
#7 Creighton: 5-1
#13 Butler: 5-2
#22 Butler: 3-3
Marquette: 3-3
Providence: 3-4
St. John's: 3-4
Seton Hall: 2-4
Georgetown: 1-5
Depaul: 1-5
Saturday's Slate:
Providence @ Nova (11am - FOX)
Butler @ Depaul (1pm - FS2)
Marquette @ Creighton (130pm - FS1)
Sunday:
SJU @ Seton Hall (11am - FS1)
Georgetown @ Xavier (1pm - CBS)
Xavier couldn't even crack the top 10 of the conference eh?
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Xavier couldn't even crack the top 10 of the conference eh?
Lol, thanks!
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Sorry if I missed it but I didn't see it posted anywhere.
Myles Davis is leaving Xavier for undisclosed reasons.
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And a link, for those interested
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18520637/myles-davis-says-done-xavier-musketeers-three-games-returning
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And a link, for those interested
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18520637/myles-davis-says-done-xavier-musketeers-three-games-returning
Not sure this affects Xavier at all. Really the mistake was bringing him back at all...that (especially with him then abruptly leaving) probably had a negative effect on team morale and cohesiveness.
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"Guess i'll watch Butler beat up on DePaul for a few minutes before the game starts."
*flips on TV*
*feels much worse about our first half against Butler*
I can't imagine the angst their fan base must have these last two weeks
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"Guess i'll watch Butler beat up on DePaul for a few minutes before the game starts."
*flips on TV*
*feels much worse about our first half against Butler*
I can't imagine the angst their fan base must have these last two weeks
And Butler won't have the hometown refs to bail them out of this one like they did against us and Xavier.
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Villanova beat Providence. DePaul up by 5 over Butler 5 minutes left first half.
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Hall defeats St John's, 86-73
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Georgetown v X. Both teams look beatable.
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Hall defeats St John's, 86-73
AD 21 and 20 for his 234th double double.
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AD 21 and 20 for his 234th double double.
Thought he was a senior as well and we never had to see him again. NOPE.
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Thought he was a senior as well and we never had to see him again. NOPE.
The way he swallows rebounds, Marquette may never face him again.
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Xavier beat Georgetown
Big East RPI looking good
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_bige_Men.html
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Sorry if I missed it but I didn't see it posted anywhere.
Myles Davis is leaving Xavier for undisclosed reasons.
If leaving Xavier is cool consider me Myles Davis.
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If leaving Xavier is cool consider me Myles Davis.
Well done!
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Georgetown beat Creighton. St Johns beat Providence. League is tough top to bottom.
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Georgetown beat Creighton. St Johns beat Providence. League is tough top to bottom.
Uh oh is that bad for us? The Friars are pissed.
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Uh oh is that bad for us? The Friars are pissed.
Don't think it matters much either way. We simply need to play our game and take care of business.
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Don't think it matters much either way. We simply need to play our game and take care of business.
Not really clear how good PC is this year. They beat Georgetown twice, and Seton Hall at home, but have lost to everyone else so far in BE (including DePaul and now St. John's). Best win in non-conference was Rhode Island, but also lost to a bad Boston College team. It seems like they might be down again this year after losing both Dunn and Bentil. We'll see on Saturday. But, conference games are always tough, and like glow says, we just need to TCOB.
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Great atmosphere with a ton of students at the Cincy Xavier game. Tough loss for Xavier.
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Not really clear how good PC is this year. They beat Georgetown twice, and Seton Hall at home, but have lost to everyone else so far in BE (including DePaul and now St. John's). Best win in non-conference was Rhode Island, but also lost to a bad Boston College team. It seems like they might be down again this year after losing both Dunn and Bentil. We'll see on Saturday. But, conference games are always tough, and like glow says, we just need to TCOB.
Had DePaul not missed the free throw at the end of regulation Butler would have also lost to DePaul and St. John's.
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Had DePaul not missed the free throw at the end of regulation Butler would have also lost to DePaul and St. John's.
Missed that game, but fair point.
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st johns backcourt is tough will be a fun game when we play them
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Virginia playing Villanova tough ar the Wells Fargo center
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Capacity crowd. Largest crowd in building history. Nova down most of game 8-12. Struggled from 3 and inside the lane. But they hit 4-5 3's late and they are finding ways to draw fouls to get FT's. Tight late. UVA playing well, a good team. Ty Jerome having a great game for UVA
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Donte DiVincenzo 0.1 tip in to win it for Villanova. Wow.
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Ya quite a game there. Nova looked terrible for most of the game. But got hot the last 10 mins.
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Great ending to Villanova game. Have followed the freshman from UVA, Ty Jerome, who made tying shot with 11 seconds , for some time. I think he is ready to break out.
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Ms. Legs said crowd was craziest (as well as biggest for a college game) at Wells Fargo in her two years.
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Great ending.
Congrats to Nova.
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Great ending.
Congrats to Nova.
And good for the conference. Balances out the Xavier loss to Cincy.
And yes to Real Chili last night, after a wildly unadvisable mixture of beverages all day/night. Ms Katie's Diner this morning helped to get me back together again.
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Looks like Sumner may have just torn up his knee. Looked awful. Straight to the locker room.
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And good for the conference. Balances out the Xavier loss to Cincy.
And yes to Real Chili last night, after a wildly unadvisable mixture of beverages all day/night. Ms Katie's Diner this morning helped to get me back together again.
Well done, Grasshoper.
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I am impressed by neither St. John's nor Xavier. X turning the ball over at will and missing bunny after bunny. St. John's is just streetballing their way to victory.
I can't imagine Sumner has many of these scares left before they shut him down.
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Xavier ekes out road win at the Garden over The Johnnies. An ugly game for sure. I hope St. John's doesn't have a good night shooting against us though.
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Xavier ekes out road win at the Garden over The Johnnies. An ugly game for sure. I hope St. John's doesn't have a good night shooting against us though.
We could just play good defense
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We could just play good defense
I agree with this analysis.
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Zach Hanson back in lineup for Creighton after an injury kept him out most of the season. Working his way back , he has played the last two games. Obviously Hanson doesn't replace Watson, but it is helpful to have another talented Big Man in the lineup.
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Markus, love the guy. He has adjusted very well. As well as Sam. Call me crazy, but I'd like to see more minutes from Deon. I think Franklin could possibly be one of our better players. Guy looks like an NFL player. Could use him on the boards...
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You're crazy
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So...Deon just made a Scoop account? ;D
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So...Deon just made a Scoop account? ;D
Heard it was his cousin Done ;D
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Heard it was his cousin Done ;D
;D
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Butler loses back to back home games? What the hell is going on?
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Creighton figuring out their post Watson lineup with a good win over Butler on the road. Looks like Davions Mintz and Tyler Clement sharing time at point and I think Zach Hanson coming back is slight positive as well.
Georgetown win over DePaul helps everyone in the league.
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Creighton figuring out their post Watson lineup with a good win over Butler on the road. Looks like Davions Mintz and Tyler Clement sharing time at point and I think Zach Hanson coming back is slight positive as well.
Georgetown win over DePaul helps everyone in the league.
The Georgetown game was close at half time i was surprised
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Creighton just beat Butler up. Patton played very well. A warning for when Creighton comes to Milwaukee.
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The Georgetown game was close at half time i was surprised
Close the whole game, a i n a?
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Unsure what's been more fun to read, the expectation Creighton would crumble or the surprise that they haven't. One thing that's clear is people aren't familiar with their personnel since they likely haven't watched the Jays outside of the 21st.
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Unsure what's been more fun to read, the expectation Creighton would crumble or the surprise that they haven't. One thing that's clear is people aren't familiar with their personnel since they likely haven't watched the Jays outside of the 21st.
I'm not saying they will crumble, but they certainly aren't as good. Beating Butler on the road is tough but not a sign that Creighton is back either. Creighton shot absurdly well and Butler shot absurdly poor. It happens. I've given up trying to predict the Big East, too much parity. We're going to end up with Nova on top, Depaul on bottom and 8 teams with 7-11 losses.
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Butler, while good, has struggled to put complete games together in league play. Doesn't surprise me that it's starting to catch up to them.
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Butler, while good, has struggled to put complete games together in league play. Doesn't surprise me that it's starting to catch up to them.
Hopefully we can beat them next time we play them
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Good Win for Xavier tonight over Seton Hall . Excellent coaching.
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Creighton players figuring out their post Watson strategy. Teamwork.
http://www.omaha.com/creighton/mens-basketball/marcus-foster-s-studying-reveals-jays-must-keep-the-ball/article_7cc11e0f-8fcf-5070-8c0d-6e66082fc7a5.html
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Tough loss for Creighton today. Missed layups and free throws at the end hurt. Big road win for Xavier.
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Xavier with solid win over DePaul. Providence up by 5 at half over Seton Hall, good quality Big East game.
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Watching PC - Seton hall game wondering why teams never play like this against us.
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Watching PC - Seton hall game wondering why teams never play like this against us.
We don't have the defense to make them play like that?
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Seton Hall wins in overtime. Was a good game.
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Saturday 2/11/17
10:30AM- Marquette at Georgetown, FOX -Tim Brando, Stephen Bardo, Lisa Byington (reporter)
11am- Seton Hall @ St. John's, CBSSN-- Rich Waltz, Doug Gottlieb and sideline reporter Jon Rothstein
1PM- Creighton @ DePaul, FS1- Jeff Levering, Dickey Simpkins
1:30PM- Villanova @ Xavier, FOX- Gus Johnson, Jim Jackson, Shannon Spake
3:00PM- Butler @ Providence, CBSSN- Andrew Catalon, Steve Lappas & Jamie Erdahl
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Saturday 2/11/17
10:30AM- Marquette at Georgetown, FOX -Tim Brando, Stephen Bardo, Lisa Byington (reporter)
11am- Seton Hall @ St. John's, CBSSN-- Rich Waltz, Doug Gottlieb and sideline reporter Jon Rothstein
1PM- Creighton @ DePaul, FS1- Jeff Levering, Dickey Simpkins
1:30PM- Villanova @ Xavier, FOX- Gus Johnson, Jim Jackson, Shannon Spake
3:00PM- Butler @ Providence, CBSSN- Andrew Catalon, Steve Lappas & Jamie Erdahl
Ok so...
Let's go MU!
Let's go St Johns
Let's go DePaul
Let's go nova
And let's go butler!
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Ok so...
Let's go MU!
Let's go St Johns
Let's go DePaul
Let's go nova
And let's go butler!
Definitely want Creighton to beat Depaul.
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Definitely want Creighton to beat Depaul.
Yeah and I'm not sure about St. John's over SHU either. I don't know how to feel about that one. Definitely rooting for Nova and Butler.
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Yeah and I'm not sure about St. John's over SHU either. I don't know how to feel about that one. Definitely rooting for Nova and Butler.
My reasoning is wanting to have the teams directly below us drop a bit farther away. And the teams way ahead of us, keep going up.
And then the teams that we are reachable, I would like to gal closer to us.
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What's best for the conference and what's best for us don't necessarily align....though us beating GTWN is best for both!
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Yeah and I'm not sure about St. John's over SHU either. I don't know how to feel about that one. Definitely rooting for Nova and Butler.
Hall is the only real competition for our spot. Even if the Johnnies end up level record-wise with Marquette, they are not getting a berth. MU can likely kill off the remote chance for Hoyas with a win tomorrow. PC isn't getting to the tourney.
So, any chance Hall gets to lose both provides a cushion for when MU inevitably loses down the stretch and a cushion in the eyes of the committee. Here's hoping LoVett/Ponds play like they did against MU and not how they played against Nova.
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We don't have the defense to make them play like that?
Lol, yah, I'm sure that is it. But man, turnovers and missed wide open shots galore.
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Ok so...
Let's go MU!
Let's go St Johns
Let's go DePaul
Let's go nova
And let's go butler!
Ehhh.
Think we want the Hall over SJU, but I could see the argument the other way. No way BE gets lets than 5, and I suppose Hall is our biggest competitor for that spot.
Definitely want Creighton over Depaul.
The rest I agree with.
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X @ PC 5:30 FS1
Creighton @ Seton Hall 7:00 CBSSN
SJU @ Butler 7:30 FS1
We should pull for X, Creighton and Butler (could see an argument for SJU).
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X @ PC 5:30 FS1
Creighton @ Seton Hall 7:00 CBSSN
SJU @ Butler 7:30 FS1
We should pull for X, Creighton and Butler (could see an argument for SJU).
No I want SJU to lose we need to finish at least 5th in BE
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X @ PC 5:30 FS1
Creighton @ Seton Hall 7:00 CBSSN
SJU @ Butler 7:30 FS1
We should pull for X, Creighton and Butler (could see an argument for SJU).
How things have changed...a week or 10 days ago, when I THOUGHT MU still had a good chance of finishing 2nd, I would have been rooting hard against Butler, Creighton and X...then the Georgetown sh*tshow happened, and it's survival time, so Hall, PC and SJU all need to lose.
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Looks like Hall is gonna knock off Creighton. The middle gets a little more jammed...two games are gonna separate 3rd and 8th..and 3 from 2nd to 9th.
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The BE is cannibalizing at an alarming rate. We suspected this may happen.
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Yup, Seton Hall just won 87-81
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Just an awful night for MU...watch Xavier without Sumner and Bluiett Saturday...beat MU. That Xavier team tonight was AWFUL. No reason MU should lose to them.
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Just an awful night for MU...watch Xavier without Sumner and Bluiett Saturday...beat MU. That Xavier team tonight was AWFUL. No reason MU should lose to them.
Yes and no. Obviously we preferred to see Creighton and X win, but if MU takes care of business they are fine. Could theoretically catch X if they swept em.
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Just an awful night for MU...watch Xavier without Sumner and Bluiett Saturday...beat MU. That Xavier team tonight was AWFUL. No reason MU should lose to them.
Disagree. Other bubble results went our way. I'd rather Big East bubble teams win if some have to. We own a win over SHU and have a chance still against PC.
Agree we should beat X minus Bluiett. We need to win the next two.
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Here are the remaining schedules for BE teams:
Villanova (12-2):
@ Creighton
vs. Butler
vs. Depaul
@ SJU
Butler (9-5):
vs. Depaul
@ Nova
@ X
vs. SHU
Creighton (8-5):
vs. Georgetown
vs. PC
@ NOVA
vs. SJU
@ Marquette
Xavier (8-5):
@ MU
@ SHU
vs. Butler
vs. MU
@ Depaul
SHU (6-7):
vs. Nova
vs. X
@ Depaul
vs. Georgetown
@ Butler
Marquette (6-7):
vs. X
vs. SJU
@ PC
@ X
vs. Creighton
PC (6-8):
@ Creighton
vs. MU
vs. Depaul
@ SJU
SJU (6-8):
@ Marquette
vs. Georgtown
@ Creighton
vs. PC
Georgetown (5-8):
@ Creighton
vs. Depaul
@ SJU
@ SHU
vs. Nova
Depaul (1-12):
@ Butler
@ Georgetown
vs. SHU
@ PC
vs. X
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Here are the remaining schedules for BE teams:
Villanova (12-2):
@ Creighton
vs. Marquette
vs. Depaul
@ SJU
Butler (9-5):
vs. Depaul
@ Nova
@ X
vs. SHU
Creighton (8-5):
vs. Georgetown
vs. PC
@ NOVA
vs. SJU
@ Marquette
Xavier (8-5):
@ MU
@ SHU
vs. Butler
vs. MU
@ Depaul
SHU (6-7):
vs. Nova
vs. X
@ Depaul
vs. Georgetown
@ Butler
Marquette (6-7):
vs. X
vs. SJU
@ PC
@ X
vs. Creighton
PC (6-8):
@ Creighton
vs. MU
vs. Depaul
@ SJU
SJU (6-8):
@ Marquette
vs. Georgtown
@ Creighton
vs. PC
Georgetown (5-8):
@ Creighton
vs. Depaul
@ SJU
@ SHU
vs. Nova
Depaul (1-12):
@ Butler
@ Georgetown
vs. SHU
@ PC
vs. X
oops
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With Sagrin's projected finishes:
Villanova (12-2):
@ SHU - WIN
vs. Butler - WIN
vs. Creighton - WIN
@ Georgetown - WIN
16-2
Butler (9-5):
vs. Depaul - WIN
@ Nova - LOSS
@ X - LOSS
vs. SHU - WIN
11-7
Creighton (8-5):
vs. Georgetown - WIN
vs. PC - WIN
@ NOVA - LOSS
vs. SJU - WIN
@ Marquette - WIN
12-6
Xavier (8-5):
@ MU - LOSS
@ SHU - WIN
vs. Butler - WIN
vs. MU - WIN
@ Depaul - WIN
12-6
SHU (6-7):
vs. Nova - LOSS
vs. X - LOSS
@ Depaul - WIN
vs. Georgetown - WIN
@ Butler - LOSS
8-10
Marquette (6-7):
vs. X - WIN
vs. SJU - WIN
@ PC - WIN (straight 50/50)
@ X - LOSS
vs. Creighton - LOSS
9-9
PC (6-8):
@ Creighton - LOSS
vs. MU - LOSS (straight 50/50)
vs. Depaul - WIN
@ SJU - WIN * Sagrin says 47% chance of W, but I am giving it to them
8-10
SJU (6-8):
@ Marquette - LOSS
vs. Georgetown - LOSS
@ Creighton - LOSS
vs. PC - LOSS (Sagrin gives them 53% chance of winning, but giving PC the W to make things more interesting)
6-12
Georgetown (5-8):
@ Creighton - LOSS
vs. Depaul - WIN
@ SJU - WIN
@ SHU - LOSS
vs. Nova - LOSS
7-11
Depaul (1-12):
@ Butler - LOSS
@ Georgetown - LOSS
vs. SHU - LOSS
@ PC - LOSS
vs. X - LOSS
1-17
Final standings would look like:
Villanova 16-2
Xavier 12-6
Creighton 12-6
Butler 11-7
Marquette 9-9
Seton Hall 8-10
Providence 8 -10
Georgetown 7-11
St. Johns 6-12
Depaul 1-17
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Takeaways:
- Obviously our date with PC in Providence is going to be huge. PC has two very winnable games to finish the year, and if we drop that one, it means we probably need to get Xavier at their place. A PC win a Creighton on Saturday is going to make things very interesting. Go Creighton!
- Sagrin likes X alot more than X is currently playing. Cant see them finishing 4-1 down the stretch, but we need to kick them while they're down on Saturday.
-Creighton at home the final day of the season may be the difference between us sweating it out or being a bit more relaxed on Selection Sunday.
- Seton Hall still has three homes games against Nova, X and Georgetown and road game against Butler. Tough road, but lots of opportunities for big wins.
- Outside of home date with SJU, Georgetown has a gauntlet and is going to get knocked off the bubble pretty quick.
- Depaul sucks.
- This thing is still wide the f**k open.
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Creighton beat Georgetown, which helps us. Butler did their part against Depaul as well.
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Creighton and Butler winning good for league overall . MU can control is destiny by winning out the rest of the schedule.
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So who are we pulling for tomorrow - X or SHU?
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So, do we want Xavier to beat SHU tomorrow or vice versa? Not sure which one is better for us...
That game is tomorrow, but we should definitely be pulling for X. A loss would push SHU to 6-9. We should also pull for Nova (over Butler) and Creighton (over PC).
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That game is tomorrow, but we should definitely be pulling for X. A loss would push SHU to 6-9. We should also pull for Nova (over Butler) and Creighton (over PC).
Yup, saw that. Did a ninja edit and then realized X win is better 8-)
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So who are we pulling for tomorrow - X or SHU?
Probably X in the interest of weakening SHU's tourney hopes. They're right there with us on the bubble. Gives us some separation from them in the league standings. Of course if SHU wins and we beat STJ, we will be tied for 4th with X. Also a good thing.
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Probably X in the interest of weakening SHU's tourney hopes. They're right there with us on the bubble. Gives us some separation from them in the league standings. Of course if SHU wins and we beat STJ, we will be tied for 4th with X. Also a good thing.
I suppose it doesn't make a yuge difference, one way or another
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We don't want the wheels to come off the wagon too soon for X so probably best that they win. If The Hall wins it probably is ok as it further solidifies them as a tournament candidate . At this point we want as many Big East teams tournament worthy as possible . Helps our cause in terms of getting in the tournament and financially it is good for the league.
St Johns screwed the whole league by losing to a bunch of bad teams.
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Wednesday in the Big East
DePaul/Georgetown, CBSSN--Andrew Catalon, Steve Lappas and Evan Washburn (reporter)
Providence/Creighton, FSN--Steve Physioc, Nick Bahe
Xavier/Seton Hall, FS1--Joe Davis, Donny Marshall
Butler/Villanova, FS1--Tim Brando, Bill Raftery
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So who are we pulling for tomorrow - X or SHU?
Depends.
If we win tonight we want seton hall I'd think.
Vice versa.
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Depends.
If we win tonight we want seton hall I'd think.
Vice versa.
I'd say quite the opposite. Win or lose tonight and you root for Hall loss. Hall is only real competition for fifth bid in the conference. We need separation from them (we can create two game separation from SJU and PC by defeating them this week) to enhance our Tournament bid.
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I'd say quite the opposite. Win or lose tonight and you root for Hall loss. Hall is only real competition for fifth bid in the conference. We need separation from them (we can create two game separation from SJU and PC by defeating them this week) to enhance our Tournament bid.
Our bid will be based on our merits. Win 2 more and we're in regardless. Win 1 and we've got a good shot. SHU can win or lose and will likely have virtually no impact on that.
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Our bid will be based on our merits. Win 2 more and we're in regardless. Win 1 and we've got a good shot. SHU can win or lose and will likely have virtually no impact on that.
Considering their attractive computer numbers, if there's a three game separation between MU and Hall with the teams having split their two games it would be a good thing. We need all the good things we can get.
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Considering their attractive computer numbers, if there's a three game separation between MU and Hall with the teams having split their two games it would be a good thing. We need all the good things we can get.
Agreed. I would rather SHU be the 6th team than Us.
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Just for sh*ts and gigs, I looked to see what seed we would get if we won out and ended in a three way tie for 2nd place with Creighton (2-2 finish) and Butler (1-2 finish). Pretty sure we would end up in 3rd.
1) Mini-conference record would all be tied at 2-2 between MU, CU and Butler.
2) Next tie breaker is record versus the highest seeded team. That would be Nova. MU and Butler both 1-1. So CU eliminated. Then it goes back to head-to-head, in which Butler wins.
So I think to get the 2 seed we'd need Butler to lose out (@ Nova, @ X and vs. SHU).
Obviously far fetched for multiple reasons, but figured I'd share.
Remaining schedules for the middle of the BE:
Butler (10-5): @Nova, @ X, vs. HALL
Creighton (9-5): vs. PC, @ Nova, vs. SJU, @ Marq
Xavier (8-6): @ HALL, vs. Butler, vs. Marq, @ Depaul
Marquette (8-7): @ PC, @ X, vs. Creighton
Seton Hall (6-8): vs. X, @ Depaul, vs. Gtown, @ Butler
Providence (6-8): @ Creighton, vs. Marq, vs. Depaul, @ SJU
SJU (6-9): vs. Gtown, @ Creighton, vs. PC
Georgetown (5-9): vs. Depaul, @ SJU, @ HALL, vs. NOVA
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Considering their attractive computer numbers, if there's a three game separation between MU and Hall with the teams having split their two games it would be a good thing. We need all the good things we can get.
Only in the sense that they're another bubble team. I'd rather have all the Big East teams get in. My ideal scenario would be MU at 11-7, Butler, Creighton, and Xavier at 10-8, and SHU and Providence at 9-9. Give me 7 Big East bids. As long as we take care of business, we get in no matter what happens elsewhere, so give me as many Big East teams as possible.
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Only in the sense that they're another bubble team. I'd rather have all the Big East teams get in. My ideal scenario would be MU at 11-7, Butler, Creighton, and Xavier at 10-8, and SHU and Providence at 9-9. Give me 7 Big East bids. As long as we take care of business, we get in no matter what happens elsewhere, so give me as many Big East teams as possible.
Interesting. Its actually possible that MU goes 11-7, Butler, Creighton and X at 10-8, and Seton Hall, PC and Georgetown at 9-9.
Marquette (8-7): @ PC (W), @ X, (W) vs. Creighton (W) – 11-7
Butler (10-5): @Nova (L), @ X(L), vs. HALL(L) - 10-8
Creighton (9-5): vs. PC (L), @ Nova (L), vs. SJU (W), @ Marq (L) - 10-8
Xavier (8-6): @ HALL (L), vs. Butler (W), vs. Marq (L), @ Depaul (W) - 10-8
Seton Hall (6-8): vs. X (W), @ Depaul (W), vs. Gtown (L), @ Butler (W) - 9-9
Providence (6-8): @ Creighton (W), vs. Marq (L), vs. Depaul (W), @ SJU (W) - 9-9
Georgetown (5-9): vs. Depaul (W), @ SJU (W), @ HALL (W), vs. NOVA (W) 9-9
SJU (6-9): vs. Gtown (L), @ Creighton (L), vs. PC (L) - 6-12
Wonder how many bids the BE would get then.
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Interesting. Its actually possible that MU goes 11-7, Butler, Creighton and X at 10-8, and Seton Hall, PC and Georgetown at 9-9.
Marquette (8-7): @ PC (W), @ X, (W) vs. Creighton (W) – 11-7
Butler (10-5): @Nova (L), @ X(L), vs. HALL(L) - 10-8
Creighton (9-5): vs. PC (L), @ Nova (L), vs. SJU (W), @ Marq (L) - 10-8
Xavier (8-6): @ HALL (L), vs. Butler (W), vs. Marq (L), @ Depaul (W) - 10-8
Seton Hall (6-8): vs. X (W), @ Depaul (W), vs. Gtown (L), @ Butler (W) - 9-9
Providence (6-8): @ Creighton (W), vs. Marq (L), vs. Depaul (W), @ SJU (W) - 9-9
Georgetown (5-9): vs. Depaul (W), @ SJU (W), @ HALL (W), vs. NOVA (W) 9-9
SJU (6-9): vs. Gtown (L), @ Creighton (L), vs. PC (L) - 6-12
Wonder how many bids the BE would get then.
I think that would get us 7 bids, and Georgetown into the NIT. Unless GT wins the BET, I think they're out. Just too many total losses. Though if they had wins vs Villanova, Oregon, Butler, and Creighton, that might be enough to offset the not-that-horrible loss at home to Arkansas State. Figure at that point, everyone else they lost to would be a NCAA team.
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PC has tied Creighton at 62, 5 to play. Yikes.
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G'Town replaces Marquette this year in the inexplicable-loss-to-DePaul category.
X looked terrible offensively even with Blueitt back. I really dislike Seton Hall, though, and would like to see them lose out. Any chance Delgado tries to go pro after this year?
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Providence game scary now. They have the mojo after Creighton and 3 winnable games. They are hungry.
Need to make a statement. If we tie providence at 9-9 or they're 10-8 over our 9-9. We could be no 6 on the outside looking in.
Like X and STJ, Biggest game of the year.
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Providence game scary now. They have the mojo after Creighton and 3 winnable games. They are hungry.
Need to make a statement. If we tie providence at 9-9 or they're 10-8 over our 9-9. We could be no 6 on the outside looking in.
Like X and STJ every game up to this point, Biggest game of the year.
FIFY.
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PC is playing well, no doubt. I like having them off a last-second win, though. And MU has an extra day of rest.
It'll be tough, but I like MU's chances.
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Need to make a statement. If we tie providence at 9-9 or they're 10-8 over our 9-9. We could be no 6 on the outside looking in.
Right now, better chance both Providence and Marquette make it in than neither. I want to beat PC, but no matter what happens Saturday we are still both alive for a berth.
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Didn't see this posted here anywhere.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18743647/creighton-bluejays-suspend-injured-maurice-watson-misconduct (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18743647/creighton-bluejays-suspend-injured-maurice-watson-misconduct)
Wonder what he did.
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Didn't see this posted here anywhere.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18743647/creighton-bluejays-suspend-injured-maurice-watson-misconduct (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18743647/creighton-bluejays-suspend-injured-maurice-watson-misconduct)
Wonder what he did.
He's being investigated for sexual assault.
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He's being investigated for sexual assault.
Yeesh. Did it occur prior to injury? ie: he would have been suspended anyway?
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Yeesh. Did it occur prior to injury? ie: he would have been suspended anyway?
Allegedly occurred (or at least reported) in early February. Post-injury.
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PC is playing well, no doubt. I like having them off a last-second win, though. And MU has an extra day of rest.
It'll be tough, but I like MU's chances.
In the Big East 3 game winning streaks turn into 3 game losing streaks in a hurry. And big wins are immediately followed by horrible losses.