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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: 🏀 on May 09, 2023, 08:48:57 PM
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Two weeks out from the PGA Championship, what do your rosters look like?
USA
Scottie
Homa
X
Cam Young
Spieth
Burns
Clark
Finau
Morikawa
JT
Brooks
Rickie
Euro
Rahm
Fitzy
Rory
Hatton
Meronk
Lowry
Big Shot Bob
Rasmus
Otaegui
Detry
Fleetwood
Rose
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I do not see a scenario where Brooks or any other LIV golfer makes the team as a captain's pick.
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Two weeks out from the PGA Championship, what do your rosters look like?
USA
Scottie
Homa
X
Cam Young
Spieth
Burns
Clark
Finau
Morikawa
JT
Brooks
Rickie
Euro
Rahm
Fitzy
Rory
Hatton
Meronk
Lowry
Big Shot Bob
Rasmus
Otaegui
Detry
Fleetwood
Rose
USA
Scheffler
Schauffele
Homa
Young
Cantlay
Spieth
JT
Burns
Morikawa
Finau
English
Fowler (sigh)
Euro
Rory
Rahm
Hatton
Fleetwood
Hovland
Fitzy
Lowry
Rose
Meronk
Paul
Rasmus Hojgaard
Power
Zach Johnson isn’t picking a LIV player nor is Luke Donald
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Can the Americans win without Brooks? Is there an dog on the team to lead?
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Can the Americans win without Brooks? Is there an dog on the team to lead?
They haven’t won on foreign soil since 1993 and Brooks was on the 2018 team that got waxed in Paris. Brooks was 2-2 on the ‘21 Ryder Cup team that won 19-9.
Brooks isn’t exactly team friendly having feuded with Bryson and DJ in the past as well. I think they’ll be fine without his leadership
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Fowler and Wyndham Clark? No way. Sahith Theegala deserves a spot over both of them
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Can the Americans win without Brooks? Is there an dog on the team to lead?
JT is the locker room leader and the hype man
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In keeping with the spirit of the Ryder Cup that makes it one of the best sporting events in the world, I think each captain should get to name one player to the other side's roster. The player has to be healthy, and cannot be ranked lower than the lowest ranked player already selected.
I'm kidding, of course. But it would be interesting.
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Fowler and Wyndham Clark? No way. Sahith Theegala deserves a spot over both of them
I’d take Theegala over Fowler in a heartbeat but not necessarily Clark. Clark has been golfing well this year.
I put Fowler on my list because of his relationship with the players on the team
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They haven’t won on foreign soil since 1993 and Brooks was on the 2018 team that got waxed in Paris. Brooks was 2-2 on the ‘21 Ryder Cup team that won 19-9.
Brooks isn’t exactly team friendly having feuded with Bryson and DJ in the past as well. I think they’ll be fine without his leadership
You don’t think that Brooks leadership in a team league like LIV is paramount? Interesting.
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You don’t think that Brooks leadership in a team league like LIV is paramount? Interesting.
I bet he hates it
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I bet he hates it
He pretty much hates everything not Brooks Koepka.
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He pretty much hates everything not Brooks Koepka.
He likes the paycheck, too, I’m sure.
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Koepka has shown leadership? Ok.
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Koepka has shown leadership? Ok.
Smash GC finished 5th in Singapore last week
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You convinced me. His team finishing 5th at a LIV event should make him a shoo in.
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Can’t believe I missed Hovland.
I don’t think it’s going to be as lopsided as predicted during the LIV exodus of the Euro stars.
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morikawa, cantalay, english get back to playing like they can, we could be tough.
i love spieth, but he has been leaking oil. just when he shows signs of putting in some consistent golf and he we go moments, his 3rd person relationship kicks in, his driver let's him down putting pressure on himself to make a shot. then he presses on the green
show some team comaraderie like the europeans
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Seamus Power probably makes the European team.
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Brooks Bump
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It would be funny if he had to be taken due to points.
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we can't afford to leave a talent such as brooks off the team at this moment. for those who have trouble with the LIV thingy, hold your noses. the ryder cup is too important to allow emotions to get in the way. swallow hard and give america it's best chance with it's best lineup
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I still think Koepka needs to play his way on. The LIV defectors were told what would happen to their Ryder Cup careers. They took the money. Actions have consequences.
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I still think Koepka needs to play his way on. The LIV defectors were told what would happen to their Ryder Cup careers. They took the money. Actions have consequences.
Why are you against one of the best Americans? Very unpatriotic, sad.
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Honestly, I usually root for the Europeans. Better story.
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I still think Koepka needs to play his way on. The LIV defectors were told what would happen to their Ryder Cup careers. They took the money. Actions have consequences.
Whoa, whoa...
You are expecting rich, white men to actually face consequences for their actions?
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Bahahahahahaha
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After the second round of the Masters, Koepka said he probably wouldn't have defected to LIV if he had been healthy at the time. He went for the guaranteed dough because he wasn't sure he'd ever get back to his top form.
So he's not exactly the best spokesperson or example for all the wonders of LIV, and IMHO he's the most likely to return to the PGA Tour as soon as his contract would let him do it.
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After the second round of the Masters, Koepka said he probably wouldn't have defected to LIV if he had been healthy at the time. He went for the guaranteed dough because he wasn't sure he'd ever get back to his top form.
So he's not exactly the best spokesperson or example for all the wonders of LIV, and IMHO he's the most likely to return to the PGA Tour as soon as his contract would let him do it.
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we can't afford to leave a talent such as brooks off the team at this moment. for those who have trouble with the LIV thingy, hold your noses. the ryder cup is too important to allow emotions to get in the way. swallow hard and give america it's best chance with it's best lineup
I’d rather lose with class and grace than win with a guy who so mocked a shrine like Augusta by breaking the rules with no shame and now makes fun of it.
You learn a lot about a person with how they play golf
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26 hours later, America’s best hope is absolutely locked into another great American tradition.
https://twitter.com/pftcommenter/status/1660826856432566272?s=46&t=xZ6WfpbU7YByIxdAMf5kbg
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No way Zach Johnson can put Justin Thomas on the team
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No way Zach Johnson can put Justin Thomas on the team
Maybe JT will rally at The Open
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Maybe JT will rally at The Open
To make the cut?
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How we feeling for the good guys?
(7)Locks/Almost Locks Based on Points (Understood only 6 are points, but there's moving still happening)
Scottie
Clark
Harman
Brooks
Xander
Canlay
Homa
(5) Picks
Spieth
Rickie
Cam Young
Morikawa
Keegan Bradley
JT should come out after the TOUR Championship and announce himself as an Ass Cap.
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“At least he can bet on the Ryder Cup this year because he won’t be a part of it."
-- Rory, talking about Phil.
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“At least he can bet on the Ryder Cup this year because he won’t be a part of it."
-- Rory, talking about Phil.
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“At least he can bet on the Ryder Cup this year because he won’t be a part of it."
-- Rory, talking about Phil.
Rory a Mormon or a Muslim?
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Rory a Mormon or a Muslim?
Does one have to be a Mormon or a Muslim to think it's wrong for a PGA Tour member to gamble on an event in which he is participating?
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Does one have to be a Mormon or a Muslim to think it's wrong for a PGA Tour member to gamble on an event in which he is participating?
Sure helps.
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If Mickelson bet 1 billion over the course (no pun intended) of however many years, I would say there's a 100% chance the Saudi's paid his debt. The man is clearly sick. I'm not suggesting anyone should feel sorry for him but we're talking about someone seriously insane, ill, and not capable of stopping his addiction.
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If Mickelson bet 1 billion over the course (no pun intended) of however many years, I would say there's a 100% chance the Saudi's paid his debt. The man is clearly sick. I'm not suggesting anyone should feel sorry for him but we're talking about someone seriously insane, ill, and not capable of stopping his addiction.
First off, you're totally correct in the second part. As someone who has battled with it and has heard many stories at GA meetings and the like, its insidious and just as brutal as other addictions more commonly know.
That being said, the sum is being talked about over 2-3 decades. And thats just the sum of his bets, not his losses. I could bet $1MM, lose half of my bets and be down less than $100K. He's an exceptionally wealthy man and even if his losses totaled $100-200MM, you're talking about someone who has earned $40MM+ a year for the better part of 20+ years. He's got more than enough to cover it.
Could they have? Sure. But I don't necessarily think its an absolute certainty, despite the nose bleedingly high numbers.
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If Mickelson bet 1 billion over the course (no pun intended) of however many years, I would say there's a 100% chance the Saudi's paid his debt. The man is clearly sick. I'm not suggesting anyone should feel sorry for him but we're talking about someone seriously insane, ill, and not capable of stopping his addiction.
“Seriously insane”? Anything - drugs, drinking, gambling, over eating, video games, the need to have your sock drawer arranged a certain way, etc - can become addictive. Serious insanity (is there a non serious form) is another matter altogether.
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“Seriously insane”? Anything - drugs, drinking, gambling, over eating, video games, the need to have your sock drawer arranged a certain way, etc - can become addictive. Serious insanity (is there a non serious form) is another matter altogether.
Not anything can become addictive the way gambling can. There's scientific evidence showing how gambling activates the brain in the same way as addictive drugs and alcohol do, creating an actual physical addiction. It is recognized as a mental illness by the scientific community.
The same can't be said by sock drawer preferences or video gaming.
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Not anything can become addictive the way gambling can. There's scientific evidence showing how gambling activates the brain in the same way as addictive drugs and alcohol do, creating an actual physical addiction. It is recognized as a mental illness by the scientific community.
The same can't be said by sock drawer preferences or video gaming.
Actually video gaming disorder is recognized as a disease.
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Actually video gaming disorder is recognized as a disease.
Not in the DSM it isn't.
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Not anything can become addictive the way gambling can. There's scientific evidence showing how gambling activates the brain in the same way as addictive drugs and alcohol do, creating an actual physical addiction. It is recognized as a mental illness by the scientific community.
The same can't be said by sock drawer preferences or video gaming.
I probably made a word poor choice with insane but there are obviously significant nuances within addictions and diseases. Including the differences between alcoholism and gambling.
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Not in the DSM it isn't.
It is by the World Health Organization, in the ICD-11.
If you don't think it can be an addiction, I feel bad for you.
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If you don't think it can be an addiction, I feel bad for you.
Rolls eyes.
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It is by the World Health Organization, in the ICD-11.
If you don't think it can be an addiction, I feel bad for you.
It is whatever Pakuni says it is or isn’t. So you’re wrong. And if you’re OCD you don’t have a mental illness, either. The Oracle has spoken.
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It is whatever Pakuni says it is or isn’t. So you’re wrong. And if you’re OCD you don’t have a mental illness, either. The Oracle has spoken.
OCD is in the DSM as a mental illness.
Unlike video gaming. Or sock drawer preferences (which I've heard is pretty much the same thing as gambling addiction).
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OCD is in the DSM as a mental illness.
Unlike video gaming. Or sock drawer preferences (which I've heard is pretty much the same thing as gambling addiction).
There are significant nuances Pakuni. A manual doesn’t change that fact.
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Put Lucas Glover on the US squad.
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Rolls eyes.
Sorry you don't have empathy for those that suffer from that addiction.
ICD is used globally and is widely considered best for diagnosis (and the important insurance billing). The DSM needs an update.
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Put Lucas Glover on the US squad.
I thought he disappeared from the face of the earth.
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Sorry you don't have empathy for those that suffer from that addiction.
ICD is used globally and is widely considered best for diagnosis (and the important insurance billing). The DSM needs an update.
Pakuni is the 2023 version of Nathan Jessup.
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Sorry you don't have empathy for those that suffer from that addiction.
ICD is used globally and is widely considered best for diagnosis (and the important insurance billing). The DSM needs an update.
I wasn't rolling eyes at people who struggle to put down their PS5 controller.
I was rolling my eyes at your concern trolling.
I feel sorry for you if you didn't understand that.
Now, back to the Ryder Cup
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I wasn't rolling eyes at people who struggle to put down their PS5 controller.
I was rolling my eyes at your concern trolling.
I feel sorry for you if you didn't understand that.
Now, back to the Ryder Cup
Its OK to admit you were wrong. It happens to all of us.
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Its OK to admit you were wrong. It happens to all of us.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Danth%27s_Law
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I would say there's a 100% chance the Saudi's paid his debt.
Consolidated. Not paid.
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I said that I could not envision a scenario where ZJ would take Koepka as a captain's pick. The golf world has shifted since then. Koekpa made peace with ZJ. And won a major. Since he is no longer an automatic qualifier, I do think he gets a captain's pick. Strictly from a golf perspective, better him than Justin Thomas.
Donald has a nice nucleus with Rahm, Rory, Fitz, and Hovland. His 11-12 picks are not going to be nearly the strengths that ZJ's will be.
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/golf/news/ryder-cup-2023-teams-standings-projections-points-captains-picks/nctpr7ply5hd5l28kj1hc1mx
This article has Koepka excluded. Tough call. Either way, I feel like Europe hold serve in Italy.
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I said that I could not envision a scenario where ZJ would take Koepka as a captain's pick. The golf world has shifted since then. Koekpa made peace with ZJ. And won a major. Since he is no longer an automatic qualifier, I do think he gets a captain's pick. Strictly from a golf perspective, better him than Justin Thomas.
Donald has a nice nucleus with Rahm, Rory, Fitz, and Hovland. His 11-12 picks are not going to be nearly the strengths that ZJ's will be.
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/golf/news/ryder-cup-2023-teams-standings-projections-points-captains-picks/nctpr7ply5hd5l28kj1hc1mx
This article has Koepka excluded. Tough call. Either way, I feel like Europe hold serve in Italy.
I mean, I feel like from a pure golf perspective you almost have to. He won the PGA, he finished second at Augusta. He's #3 on the money list for the LIV Tour. He's fully back from the knee injury. Regardless of personal opinions, he looks fully back.
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gotta go with wags here, plus, the us has slim pickings when it comes to veterans with ryder cup experience who have been playing well as of lately.
do you have to consider guys like keenan bradley, lucas glover, fowler, finau(probably in)
morikawa, burns, xander, jordie, have not been playing well
homa-??
horsey-??
english??
burns-??
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Captain's pick?
https://www.mediaite.com/sports/trump-claims-he-won-a-club-championship-at-his-golf-course-with-round-of-67-8-shots-better-than-phil-mickelson-on-very-same-course-2-weeks-ago/
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The European team Captain's picks are intriguing as well. Could have the first player from Poland but no Italian golfer anywhere close.
https://www.rydercup.com/eu-rankings
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Captain's pick?
https://www.mediaite.com/sports/trump-claims-he-won-a-club-championship-at-his-golf-course-with-round-of-67-8-shots-better-than-phil-mickelson-on-very-same-course-2-weeks-ago/
Well, he does have 18 club championships as well.
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I'm really surprised JT was picked with how he's played. Wow.
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I'm really surprised JT was picked with how he's played. Wow.
Experience, stature and personal fit all matter.
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IJP spent a career sucking all year and then wreaking havoc during the Ryder Cup.
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Love the JT pick. Locker room chemistry is super important and he’s the leader in the locker room. Plus, he’ll have two months to get his game right. I’m betting he crushes
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Love the JT pick. Locker room chemistry is super important and he’s the leader in the locker room. Plus, he’ll have two months to get his game right. I’m betting he crushes
Koepka is all they needed for Locker Room Chemistry. I'll take someone playing 10 times better golf 100/100 times over locker room chemistry. Maybe JT gets it together in 2 mos but it's a big question mark. Clearly if you are boys with certain players on the team you got on and if you aren't well you better be top 6.
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Ah, well, ZJ is in the big chair. He made his choice. If the US breaks their 30 year losing streak on European soil and JT contributes, ZJ is a genius. If the US loses and JT plays poorly, ZJ gets the heat. Nothing to do but wait and see.
I would have taken Keegan. But I am not in the big chair.
How short will a Sheffler putt have to be for his opponent to concede it?
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Ah, well, ZJ is in the big chair. He made his choice. If the US breaks their 30 year losing streak on European soil and JT contributes, ZJ is a genius. If the US loses and JT plays poorly, ZJ gets the heat. Nothing to do but wait and see.
I would have taken Keegan. But I am not in the big chair.
How short will a Sheffler putt have to be for his opponent to concede it?
ZJ isn’t a genius if JT performs well. He picked a guy who didn’t deserve it, didn’t earn it. That’s true no matter the outcome. Lots of guys deserved it more than him.
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Ah, well, ZJ is in the big chair. He made his choice. If the US breaks their 30 year losing streak on European soil and JT contributes, ZJ is a genius. If the US loses and JT plays poorly, ZJ gets the heat. Nothing to do but wait and see.
I would have taken Keegan. But I am not in the big chair.
How short will a Sheffler putt have to be for his opponent to concede it?
That’s why Burns made it over Cam. He’s Scottie’s best friend and an awesome putter. They’ll be dangerous in alternate shot
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Koepka is all they needed for Locker Room Chemistry. I'll take someone playing 10 times better golf 100/100 times over locker room chemistry. Maybe JT gets it together in 2 mos but it's a big question mark. Clearly if you are boys with certain players on the team you got on and if you aren't well you better be top 6.
The guy that’s not on their tour and they only play with 4 times a year is all they need for chemistry?
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“JT is the heart and soul of this team” -Captain Zack Johnson
Also, he consulted with the 6 auto qualifiers and they all wanted him on the team
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X and Cantlay
SS and Burns
Spieth and JT. (Chemistry better work because they are both playing poorly. Cannot run them out there in alternate shot)
Fowler and Morikawa?
Koepka and Clark?
Homa and Harman?
Try to match JT up with Hovland in singles, as Hovland is going to be a monster and it would be a shame to waste a hot player against him.
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“JT is the heart and soul of this team” -Captain Zack Johnson
Also, he consulted with the 6 auto qualifiers and they all wanted him on the team
Popularity contest rather than a meritocracy. One can argue that Glover and Keegan Bradley (among others) deserved it, earned it. You can’t make that argument for JT. If you want him in the locker room make him an assistant captain. He shouldn’t be taking the place of a player who was better than him both recently and for the entire year.
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ZJ isn’t a genius if JT performs well. He picked a guy who didn’t deserve it, didn’t earn it. That’s true no matter the outcome. Lots of guys deserved it more than him.
6-2-1 in the Ryder Cup, including 3-0-0 in four ball and 2-0-0 in singles.
16-5-3 in Ryder and President's combined.
If you want to make a case for another player, that's fine. But this isn't some off-the-wall or irrational pick. He's a guy who's thrived in these competitions.
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And that is ZJ's argument. JT has been a team competition monster and a team room leader.
I go back to the IJP argument. Poulter would only play memorable golf during the Ryder Cup. ZJ is betting on JT to do the same.
One of the reasons I wanted Keegan on the team was to pair him with Harman. Can you imagine that pairing, with all of their tics, matched up against, say, Rahm and Fitzpatrick? Unintentional gamesmanship to the nth degree. Alas.
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The guy that’s not on their tour and they only play with 4 times a year is all they need for chemistry?
I was being facetious.
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6-2-1 in the Ryder Cup, including 3-0-0 in four ball and 2-0-0 in singles.
16-5-3 in Ryder and President's combined.
If you want to make a case for another player, that's fine. But this isn't some off-the-wall or irrational pick. He's a guy who's thrived in these competitions.
He has thrived but he's had a rough year. I stopped watching men's golf after Monaghan sold out but Bradley deserved a spot imo.
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He has thrived but he's had a rough year. I stopped watching men's golf after Monaghan sold out but Bradley deserved a spot imo.
That's fair, but the flipside is that the Ryder Cup is a different animal than regular tournament play and success in one doesn't guarantee success in the other (see: Phil).
Time will tell whether this was a smart pick or not, but there's a logoc behind it.
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That's fair, but the flipside is that the Ryder Cup is a different animal than regular tournament play and success in one doesn't guarantee success in the other (see: Phil).
Time will tell whether this was a smart pick or not, but there's a logoc behind it.
Glover has also been on fire. I assume after Day 1 we'll find out if JT has it or not. You play him in the four ball and then make a decision until the singles.
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Jordan is playing poorly?
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X and Cantlay
SS and Burns
Spieth and JT. (Chemistry better work because they are both playing poorly. Cannot run them out there in alternate shot)
Fowler and Morikawa?
Koepka and Clark?
Homa and Harman?
Try to match JT up with Hovland in singles, as Hovland is going to be a monster and it would be a shame to waste a hot player against him.
Your first two pairings seem like locks. After that it's gonna take some critical thinking. I wouldn't pair Koepka/Clark. Both are essentially bombers. I like a Koepka/Harman or Clark/Harman pairing. I don't see Morikawa sitting out a single match so his pairings are critical. My inclination is you don't play Jordan/JT and try Morikawa with both of them because of his versatility.
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Uncle Rico woulda had something fun to say about this. Anybody heard from him?
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Uncle Rico woulda had something fun to say about this. Anybody heard from him?
Is he alright?
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Next man up, hey?
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Next man up, hey?
10 out of 10 doc!
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where's dustin johnson and keegan bradley?? i like sam burns but he's been leaking oil bad
i'd pair-
harman-scottie
if there is any part of ss game that needs a boost is putting-harmie could give him a boost in this category. 2 southern dudes who grab their clubs with opposite hands
fowler-koepka
similar personalities except koepka more extroverted, fowler thinks the same but doesn't tells ya with his eyes-plus 2 of the hottest wives on the tour(again, where's dusty??) having paulina on sideline, greenside while they are putting has to be worth a few strokes eyn'a?
clarke-cantlay-
again-extrovert-introvert-COME ON...let's go
JT-jordie
no brainer
homa-morikawa
just feels right
xander-burns
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where's dustin johnson and keegan bradley?? i like sam burns but he's been leaking oil bad
i'd pair-
harman-scottie
if there is any part of ss game that needs a boost is putting-harmie could give him a boost in this category. 2 southern dudes who grab their clubs with opposite hands
fowler-koepka
similar personalities except koepka more extroverted, fowler thinks the same but doesn't tells ya with his eyes-plus 2 of the hottest wives on the tour(again, where's dusty??) having paulina on sideline, greenside while they are putting has to be worth a few strokes eyn'a?
clarke-cantlay-
again-extrovert-introvert-COME ON...let's go
JT-jordie
no brainer
homa-morikawa
just feels right
xander-burns
Xander/Cantlay is a a lock 🚀. I also think Scheffy/Burns is very likely. After that I dunno but JT better get his head out of his ass. :)
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where's dustin johnson and keegan bradley?? i like sam burns but he's been leaking oil bad
i'd pair-
harman-scottie
if there is any part of ss game that needs a boost is putting-harmie could give him a boost in this category. 2 southern dudes who grab their clubs with opposite hands
fowler-koepka
similar personalities except koepka more extroverted, fowler thinks the same but doesn't tells ya with his eyes-plus 2 of the hottest wives on the tour(again, where's dusty??) having paulina on sideline, greenside while they are putting has to be worth a few strokes eyn'a?
clarke-cantlay-
again-extrovert-introvert-COME ON...let's go
JT-jordie
no brainer
homa-morikawa
just feels right
xander-burns
The horniest guy on the internet.
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They’ll switch up the pairings between rounds but the ideal ones are:
Scottie/Burns
Xander/Cantlay
JT/Spieth
Homa/Morikawa
Brooks/Rickie
Clark/Harman
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No Cam Young love here, dude is nails
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Putting poorly. Not one of the cool kids.
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Freddie saying the crucial point out loud.
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/fred-couples-keegan-bradley-ryder-cup-tight-quote
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Freddie saying the crucial point out loud.
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/fred-couples-keegan-bradley-ryder-cup-tight-quote
So Keegan, Cam and Glover aren’t part of the “cool guys” crew, Sam and JT are. Disgusting.
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So Keegan, Cam and Glover aren’t part of the “cool guys” crew, Sam and JT are. Disgusting.
Team chemistry #nomatta?
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Team chemistry #nomatta?
Not nearly as much as how the players actually performed on the golf course last year/ last month. At least it shouldn’t.. If Scottie S wants to play with Burns or Spieth wants to play with JT they can do it at that team event in New Orleans next year. A spot on the Ryder Cup should be the reward for one’s play on the tour rather than one for being somebody’s pal.
This is an example of golf accomplishment # nomatta.
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Not nearly as much as how the players actually performed on the golf course last year/ last month. At least it shouldn’t.. If Scottie S wants to play with Burns or Spieth wants to play with JT they can do it at that team event in New Orleans next year. A spot on the Ryder Cup should be the reward for one’s play on the tour rather than one for being somebody’s pal.
This is an example of golf accomplishment # nomatta.
Honest questions, is there a direct correlation between play in the last month (or even year) and Ryder Cup success? And does past success in these competitions foretell future success?
If you think this is poor strategy, that's fair. Maybe it is. But your insistence that there's some nefarious motive at play here is odd. Zach Johnson wants to win this thing way more than you do. He has a lot more riding on making the right choices than you ever will. To suggest that, with everything at stake, Johnson is intentionally sabotaging his chances of success to appease the "cool kids" is silly.
And no, a spot on the team shouldn't be a reward for anything. Johnson's job is to assemble the best team he can, not to hand out rewards.
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Lenny is taking his frustrations out on the cool kids club.
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I think 6 captain's picks is too many. Zach Johnson wants to win of course but it's pretty clear Scheffler and Speith are the reason Burns and JT were chosen. As far as whether there's a correlation between recent play and RC performance I don't know but JT has played so poorly it's honestly a joke he was selected.. And it's not like Speith has been on fire either.
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Honest questions, is there a direct correlation between play in the last month (or even year) and Ryder Cup success? And does past success in these competitions foretell future success?
If you think this is poor strategy, that's fair. Maybe it is. But your insistence that there's some nefarious motive at play here is odd. Zach Johnson wants to win this thing way more than you do. He has a lot more riding on making the right choices than you ever will. To suggest that, with everything at stake, Johnson is intentionally sabotaging his chances of success to appease the "cool kids" is silly.
And no, a spot on the team shouldn't be a reward for anything. Johnson's job is to assemble the best team he can, not to hand out rewards.
Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but I think Lenny just prefers a pure meritocracy
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And it's not like Speith has been on fire either.
You keep saying this like it’s correct.
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Freddie saying the crucial point out loud.
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/fred-couples-keegan-bradley-ryder-cup-tight-quote
so keegan didn't swap his piece of pizza for zj's liver and onion samich at the lunch table...
put's the pressure on sam and further divides team usa
zach was not going to separate the tres amigos, but should have picked keegan over burns. i love jordie, but he has been leaking oil. shows spurts of greatness followed by talking to his imaginary friend
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You keep saying this like it’s correct.
Since Mid April he's had:
Two top 10's
Four Missed Cuts
Five nowhere near the top of the L-Boards.
He hasn't played particularly well the past four months.
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So Keegan, Cam and Glover aren’t part of the “cool guys” crew, Sam and JT are. Disgusting.
Do you like playing golf with your friends or having the starter pair you up with randoms?
Not sure why this is difficult to understand. Guys wanted their buddies on the team and they should. It’ll bring the best out of everyone. No one wants to play with Keegan.
USA is gonna dominate and JT will lead the way
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Since Mid April he's had:
Two top 10's
Four Missed Cuts
Five nowhere near the top of the L-Boards.
He hasn't played particularly well the past four months.
12th best American over the past 12 months. Top 9 past 18 and 24 months.
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Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but I think Lenny just prefers a pure meritocracy
Then why have captains picks at all?
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Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but I think Lenny just prefers a pure meritocracy
That would be a perfectly fine take. But Lenny seems unwilling to admit that there's a sound strategy behind the JT pick (record of success in these events, team chemistry) even if he disagrees with it. Instead he seems to imply ithere's some sort of ethical or moral failing here, rather than simply a different approach to team building.
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That would be a perfectly fine take. But Lenny seems unwilling to admit that there's a sound strategy behind the JT pick (record of success in these events, team chemistry) even if he disagrees with it. Instead he seems to imply ithere's some sort of ethical or moral failing here, rather than simply a different approach to team building.
People enjoy being contrarian and seeking controversy.
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Do you like playing golf with your friends or having the starter pair you up with randoms?
Not sure why this is difficult to understand. Guys wanted their buddies on the team and they should.
So the Ryder Cup is the same as a Saturday morning game with your buddies? I thought it was professional golf - my bad.
Let’s pick the top 6 players on merit and let them each pick a pal who they can have some laughs with.
Look, I’m not saying JT isn’t a great player. He is. But he wasn’t great this year. And guys who were better than him deserved (imo) to be on the team ahead of him. What his record in past Ryder Cups or even what he does in this one is beside the point - his body of work THIS year didn’t merit a selection for THIS Ryder Cup team.
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So the Ryder Cup is the same as a Saturday morning game with your buddies? I thought it was professional golf - my bad.
Let’s pick the top 6 players on merit and let them each pick a pal who they can have some laughs with.
Look, I’m not saying JT isn’t a great player. He is. But he wasn’t great this year. And guys who were better than him deserved (imo) to be on the team ahead of him. What his record in past Ryder Cups or even what he does in this one is beside the point - his body of work THIS year didn’t merit a selection for THIS Ryder Cup team.
I think Keegan should be on the team over JT in a vacuum. Keegan is an irritant, would love that on the team. However, JT’s resume since Straits is what is being evaluated. There’s a major in there.
That’s why Glover isn’t considered, he’s not even the 40th best American golfer over the past 12 months.
Is it professional golf if they aren’t paid though?
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In the last three decades, the US has underperformed in Ryder Cups. US teams that are stronger on paper are losing. The last time the US won a Ryder Cup on European soil was 1993(!!!).
One of the reasons given was a lack of camaraderie among the US squad. Zach Johnson was a member of five of these teams. He has seen this up close and personal. If he thinks that team chemistry is more important than merit on a few player selections (especially at an away Ryder Cup), I'm cool with it.
Again, it's been 30 years since an away victory. Picking on merit or who's hot hasn't led to success. Might be time to try a new approach??
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I think people are viewing it as an All Star team or All Pro Teams as if it’s a recognition of a great season. At the end of the day, they are putting together a team that they think has the best chance of beating the other team.
Also, the format isn’t stroke play. So just using tournament results may not be the best way to put a team together.
If I were Keegan, I’d be ticked too. However, I don’t think it’s as simple as just picking someone because they are friends. I think there’s an argument that this is the best team to put on the course rather than the best collection of individuals.
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Why aren't teams offering the kitchen sink for James Harden? He's a top 10 talent in the world. Why weren't teams bending over backwards to get Kyrie? He's a top 10 talent in the world. This is professional sports, not pickup basketball at the Y where buddies just want to get some run.
It's almost like just taking the most talented people and sending them out there doesn't work out. Chemistry is a thing.
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So the Ryder Cup is the same as a Saturday morning game with your buddies? I thought it was professional golf - my bad.
Let’s pick the top 6 players on merit and let them each pick a pal who they can have some laughs with.
Look, I’m not saying JT isn’t a great player. He is. But he wasn’t great this year. And guys who were better than him deserved (imo) to be on the team ahead of him. What his record in past Ryder Cups or even what he does in this one is beside the point - his body of work THIS year didn’t merit a selection for THIS Ryder Cup team.
As far as I understand, the current US Ryder cup rules enforce merit as the strict determinant for some of the team slots.
The rest of the slots are at the discretion of the captain of the team.
So it seems like your beef is actually with the folks who wrote the rules?
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We all hope JT does well but I honestly think he's now got a ton of additional pressure on him. I expect him to be playing with Speith the 1st session. If he is a dumpster fire and they get rolled it puts the team and ZJ in a tough spot.
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We all hope JT does well but I honestly think he's now got a ton of additional pressure on him. I expect him to be playing with Speith the 1st session. If he is a dumpster fire and they get rolled it puts the team and ZJ in a tough spot.
Ok, that could happen. So, ZJ should pick the team the same way that has been done for the last 6 away Ryder Cups? How has that worked?
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Ok, that could happen. So, ZJ should pick the team the same way that has been done for the last 6 away Ryder Cups? How has that worked?
is Poulter on the Euro squad? I think you're overlooking how JT has played all season.
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is Poulter on the Euro squad? I think you're overlooking how JT has played all season.
You're viewing the Ryder Cup as regular tournament golf. It is not.
Tiger is the greatest tournament golfer I have seen and yet his Ryder Cup record is a sub-par (13-21-3).
Frankly, I have more confidence in JT playing well in the Ryder Cup than I would Lucas Glover. Need to learn from the past, especially at away Ryder Cups. The US don't need another Webb Simpson or Hunter Mahan moment.
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You're viewing the Ryder Cup as regular tournament golf. It is not.
Tiger is the greatest tournament golfer I have seen and yet his Ryder Cup record is a sub-par (13-21-3).
Frankly, I have more confidence in JT playing well in the Ryder Cup than I would Lucas Glover. Need to learn from the past, especially at away Ryder Cups. The US don't need another Webb Simpson or Hunter Mahan moment.
So Tiger shouldn’t have made the Ryder Cup teams? But of course that’s absurd. Small sample sizes, regression to the mean, etc.
Each Ryder Cup Team is a stand alone entity. JT played his way on to two of them and performed well. This year he played himself off of the team but was given a spot over some who played better. You think that’s a good thing. I disagree.
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Why aren't teams offering the kitchen sink for James Harden? He's a top 10 talent in the world. Why weren't teams bending over backwards to get Kyrie? He's a top 10 talent in the world. This is professional sports, not pickup basketball at the Y where buddies just want to get some run.
It's almost like just taking the most talented people and sending them out there doesn't work out. Chemistry is a thing.
When 5 guys are sharing one ball it’s one thing. Golf isn’t remotely the same but I’m not surprised you’d make the analogy.
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So Tiger shouldn’t have made the Ryder Cup teams? But of course that’s absurd. Small sample sizes, regression to the mean, etc.
Each Ryder Cup Team is a stand alone entity. JT played his way on to two of them and performed well. This year he played himself off of the team but was given a spot over some who played better. You think that’s a good thing. I disagree.
Never stated that, but sure, jump to that conclusion.
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Never stated that, but sure, jump to that conclusion.
No, you pointed out (correctly) that his record in Ryder Cup play sucked. But if you want to add players who don’t earn a spot because of past success in the format wouldn’t you likewise want to eliminate deserving players because of past failures?
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No, you pointed out (correctly) that his record in Ryder Cup play sucked. But if you want to add players who don’t earn a spot because of past success in the format wouldn’t you likewise want to eliminate deserving players because of past failures?
No. I was pointing out that tournament golf and Ryder Cup golf are not the same. Tiger is a good example of this. Recent tournament success or failure does not mean Ryder Cup success or failure.
So, I'm in favor of the RC Captain looking at other factors in making his captain picks. That's why I don't have an issue with ZJ picking JT.
Btw, I don't like JT. However, I would like to see the US win an away Ryder Cup. If that means having the Spring Break Crew together, so be it. Because the old way wasn't working.
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No. I was pointing out that tournament golf and Ryder Cup golf are not the same. Tiger is a good example of this. Recent tournament success or failure does not mean Ryder Cup success or failure.
So, I'm in favor of the RC Captain looking at other factors in making his captain picks. That's why I don't have an issue with ZJ picking JT.
Btw, I don't like JT. However, I would like to see the US win an away Ryder Cup. If that means having the Spring Break Crew together, so be it. Because the old way wasn't working.
Hopefully Smiley gets some booth time.
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Time for the Euros. Who will be the JT, who will be the Keegan?
Rory, Rahm, Hovland, Hatton, Matthew Fitzpatrick and Robert Macintyre are automatically qualified.
Fleetwood, Rose, and Straka seem like no-brainer captain's picks.
Did Aberg come from nowhere to steal a Captain's pick? Did Lowry's desultory play of late leave him off after a solid spring?
I think Aberg, Lowry, and Meronk are 10-11-12. Aberg's win taking the spot from Hojgaard.
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Golf Digest agrees.
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/RyderCup2023-european-team-captain-picks-luke-donald
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3 for 2 spots. Aberg, Hoggard, and Lowry. I think Lowry gets the JT treatment. Body of work says Hojgaard. Hot hand says Aberg. So, flip the Euro between Aberg and Hojgaard.
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Meronk got screwed. I hope the US kills the Euros.
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3 for 2 spots. Aberg, Hoggard, and Lowry. I think Lowry gets the JT treatment. Body of work says Hojgaard. Hot hand says Aberg. So, flip the Euro between Aberg and Hojgaard.
Big Meronk fan but Aberg and Hojgaard are long term picks. Both have star potential.
As for the JT pick, Zach choosing him, I get the strategy. Current form could be gone or back in a month, so pick the devil you know. For the concern over his play, I’d also worry about Spieth and Burns and Fowler to a lesser extent whose play has cooled since his win
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This guy thinks that Meronk should have been included in place of Lowry, not either of the youngsters.
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/euroepan-ryder-cup-captains-picks-mix-experience-new-blood
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Meronk reaction.
https://golf.com/news/ryder-cup-adrian-meronk-snub/
(https://media.giphy.com/media/SJGHptlWB8l4UAWAtR/giphy.gif)
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Meronk reaction.
https://golf.com/news/ryder-cup-adrian-meronk-snub/
(https://media.giphy.com/media/SJGHptlWB8l4UAWAtR/giphy.gif)
Would have liked watching Meronk beat JT or Flower 5&4 on Sunday. Now, Aberg will
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Ryder Cup champs playing together this week at Wentworth
https://x.com/dpworldtour/status/1701594007766233277?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
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Good to see Team Europe playing well at Wentworth. Looks like Team USA is practicing largely in their gated communities to prepare for the Ryder Cup.
Prop bet on Zach beating JT in Napa? Wouldn’t that be embarrassing
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European captain made the cut. American captain doesn't. Omen?
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European captain made the cut. American captain doesn't. Omen?
At least JT beat him.
I’m very encouraged for my European boys. Many appear in fine form while the Americans are already making excuses
https://www.sbnation.com/golf/2023/9/13/23870743/ryder-cup-zach-johnson-stewart-cink-claim-host-venue
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That Aberg kid can hit some shots. At this moment, it feels like the streak continues.
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That Aberg kid can hit some shots. At this moment, it feels like the streak continues.
2.5 majors won by Team Europe members in 2024. Take the over
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European Rickie with an incredible shot from the hay
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European Rickie with an incredible shot from the hay
Golf Jesus?
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Golf Jesus?
Yes
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If Rory and Golf Jesus are paired at the Ryder Cup, will it be a landslide or will they go their own way? Either way, I am sure there will be big love everywhere.
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8 Euro Ryder Cup players within 5 shots of the lead at Wentworth.
Hatton
McIlroy
Lowry
Rahm
Aberg
Straka
Hovland
Fleetwood
JT playing well in Cali.
Fleetwood just ended his tournament. Never mind.
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8 Euro Ryder Cup players within 5 shots of the lead at Wentworth.
Hatton
McIlroy
Lowry
Rahm
Aberg
Straka
Hovland
Fleetwood
JT playing well in Cali.
Fleetwood just ended his tournament. Never mind.
Rough morning for Aberg and European Richard.
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The funny thing is with all of the Euro Ryder Cuppers lurking, none of them won.
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Videos going around of some ball-devouring rough. Hit 'em straight.
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The last time the USA won on foreign soil?
Major winners that year were Bernhard Langer using a persimmon driver, Lee Jansen, Greg Norman and Paul Azinger.
Tiger Woods had just won his 3rd consecutive US Junior Amateur and wouldn’t turn pro for another 3 years.
The US team included Azinger, Couples, Kite, Janzen, Pavin, Stewart, DL3, Cook, Beck, Gallagher, Jr, Lanny Wadkins and 51-year old Ray Floyd.
5 of those players became captains, a 6th in Stewart would have. Couples captained multiple Presidents Cups and Floyd HAD already been a captain.
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One day out. Get your predictions in.
I’ll say:
Team Europe 14 1/2 Team USA 13 1/2
Top Points Scorers:
Team Europe: Hovland
Team USA: Koepka
Goose Eggs:
Team Europe: Straka
Team USA: Clark
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My prediction: I won't watch more than a few minutes in passing. Big family wedding in Chicagoland this weekend will take up my time.
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My prediction: I won't watch more than a few minutes in passing. Big family wedding in Chicagoland this weekend will take up my time.
Family wedding? That usually happens in Kentucky, not Chicago.
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Well played.
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If Rory and Golf Jesus are paired at the Ryder Cup, will it be a landslide or will they go their own way? Either way, I am sure there will be big love everywhere.
Dreams.
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Tuvk8ZwOsqI
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Looks like the streak continues.
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Better fire up the task force
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The team building exercise at Wentworth appears to have worked.
It looks like they will never break the chain.
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The team building exercise at Wentworth appears to have worked.
Didn’t see the early session but sounds like Burns, Fowler & Harman were awful
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Didn’t see the early session but sounds like Burns, Fowler & Harman were awful
Yikes.
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At least the guys on the US team are all good friends and got to see the Colosseum
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Is the Seve worship reaching Al levels? It feels like they can’t go more than a sentence without mentioning him. I was too young for Seve, so is he that big of a deal?
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Is the Seve worship reaching Al levels? It feels like they can’t go more than a sentence without mentioning him. I was too young for Seve, so is he that big of a deal?
Yes, in the grand scheme of Ryder Cup things, however, it’s overkill at this point. Problem is, with Azinger on the call and his rivalry with Seve, it’ll get a lot of play
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At least the guys on the US team are all good friends and got to see the Colosseum
We're 6 down through 7 in one match???
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We're 6 down through 7 in one match???
Yeah, but Xavier and Collin are good friends.
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Yeah, but Xavier and Collin are good friends.
(https://i.gifer.com/AR2g.gif)
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Yeah, but Xavier and Collin are good friends.
Apparently we only showed up to shove down some lasagna and osso bucco? What a dumpster fire.
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Looks like USA is starting to pull it together a bit.
With Sergio and Poulter out, I do find the European team pretty likable.
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Looks like USA is starting to pull it together a bit.
With Sergio and Poulter out, I do find the European team pretty likable.
They need 2 points at the bare minimum. 2 1/2 is ok. 3 is game on
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Looks like USA is starting to pull it together a bit.
With Sergio and Poulter out, I do find the European team pretty likable.
No Phil makes USA pretty likable too...honestly fine with whoever wins because I can't say a really dislike anybody out there golfing (maybe Brooks)
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No Phil makes USA pretty likable too...honestly fine with whoever wins because I can't say a really dislike anybody out there golfing (maybe Brooks)
I’d like a close one heading into Sunday like the Solheim Cup. Sunday has been a snoozer since 2012
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JT almost called match there. Clutch
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Give Thomas a ton of credit, he had zero support from Speith.
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Wow Hovland. Nice putt by JT to make sure to get the half point.
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Rahm. That’s all.
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Rahm was ridiculous today.
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Jon Rahm is a menace.
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Gotta tip the cap, the Europeans have had so many clutch moments today. But we've left so many shots out there. Especially on the back 9
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What an ass kicking
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Who thought it was a good idea to have the Denver Broncos and Chicago Bears play for the US in the Ryder Cup?
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That 2nd by Clark might be one of the worst shots I've seen by a pro
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They need to hold onto this match or I’m worried it’s over. To not get a full point by losing 3 matches on 18 is rough.
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Call the cops. The Euros just committed thievery!
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Flat out embarrassing. Couldn't win a single match, lost on 18 three consecutive times.
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Another Ryder Cup blowout. Boo but at least the good guys are blowing out the bad guys
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Only scrapping out 1.5 points after a potential 5-3 is brutal
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Kind of funny that Azinger was talking about all the great closers US had.
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Maybe we need to add more countries to our team for the next Ryder Cup.
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Which USA had a worse morning at the Ryder Cup? The team of golfers or the TV Channel?
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US team should be tasked for taking September off competitively. Euros didn’t and I think that matters
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Didn't see the morning matches but I was quite entertained watching the afternoon action. Good sports theater, as the Ryder Cup usually is.
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That 2nd by Clark might be one of the worst shots I've seen by a pro
Saw the good drive but then had to go out. What the heck happened to him?
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Clearly we got our asses kicked today and it doesn't sound like the right buttons were pushed. 6.5-1.5 without a single match win simply cannot happen.
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Clearly we got our asses kicked today and it doesn't sound like the right buttons were pushed. 6.5-1.5 without a single match win simply cannot happen.
Europe is better
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At least I get to sleep in this weekend.
If you’re not watching the Ryder Cup, here’s a highlight package to bring you up to date. Ray Liotta is Europe.
https://x.com/super70ssports/status/1707679116718194923?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw
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Zach Johnson saying an illness going through the team. The guy hit hardest is Rickie…..who went out in the morning group. Not a great look in my opinion.
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Not sure what Koepka is talking about in this shot at Rahm ... but maybe, you know, you have some growing up to do, too.
https://twitter.com/jamescolgan26/status/1707795086329762285?s=20
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Not sure what Koepka is talking about in this shot at Rahm ... but maybe, you know, you have some growing up to do, too.
https://twitter.com/jamescolgan26/status/1707795086329762285?s=20
Uhh.....WTF? Maybe you don't say diddly squat after your team gets bludgeoned? Just a thought. Hard to root for that guy.
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USA = Bears
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Zach Johnson saying an illness going through the team. The guy hit hardest is Rickie…..who went out in the morning group. Not a great look in my opinion.
Jeesh......Smh.
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Not sure what Koepka is talking about in this shot at Rahm ... but maybe, you know, you have some growing up to do, too.
https://twitter.com/jamescolgan26/status/1707795086329762285?s=20
Looks like Rahm knocked over a sign while going to sign his card at the US Open this year. Seems like an odd time to pull that one out, especially since it took some digging to even find what he was talking about.
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Looks like Rahm knocked over a sign while going to sign his card at the US Open this year. Seems like an odd time to pull that one out, especially since it took some digging to even find what he was talking about.
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Firing up Rahm while down 5 is a bold strategy
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It's a bold strategy, Cotton.
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Looks like Rahm knocked over a sign while going to sign his card at the US Open this year. Seems like an odd time to pull that one out, especially since it took some digging to even find what he was talking about.
Sweet Jesus. #LAME
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I always root for the underdog Euro team in this event. Talent is lopsided in favor of US every year.
Nice Day one lead for Euros.
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I always root for the underdog Euro team in this event. Talent is lopsided in favor of US every year.
Nice Day one lead for Euros.
In the old days of usenet, this would be called "dynamiting the pond."
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I always root for the underdog Euro team in this event. Talent is lopsided in favor of US every year.
Nice Day one lead for Euros.
I think you could argue the Euros have the 3 best players right now in Hovland, Rory, and Rahm.
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I think you could argue the Euros have the 3 best players right now in Hovland, Rory, and Rahm.
Rahm has been the best player in the world for a few years...but Hovland may be playing the best golf of anyone in the world right now, he's absolutely out of his mind. That, plus Rory, I think gives the Euro a pure advantage, even before all the team building/camaraderie and whatnot.
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UH.....unless my computer is wrong we are stinking up the foresomes once again. Apparently Koepka motivated himself and Scheffy by being 6 down through 8.
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9 & 7 ????
never would have expected from the scheffler/koepka duo
we are getting buried
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Congrats to Brooksy and Scottie for losing 9&7. That's not easy to do.
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we NEED to take the other 3 matches but spieth/justy just can't seem to make up ground trading holes. now fleetwood is putting down eagles
harmon/homa dwn 1
spieth/justy dwn 3
cantaly/schauf dwn 3
holy f' me gonna be a long 2 year wait
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Congrats to Brooksy and Scottie for losing 9&7. That's not easy to do.
well at least they're in the record books
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down 10 1/2 - 1 1/2 going into individuals??
zach man have time for a fire and brimstone'r between rounds?
ok men, we've got'em right where we want em eyn'a?
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down 10 1/2 - 1 1/2 going into individuals??
zach man have time for a fire and brimstone'r between rounds?
ok men, we've got'em right where we want em eyn'a?
🚀,
You forgot about fourball in the afternoon. They could be down more like 13.5- to 2.5 before singles.
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🚀,
You forgot about fourball in the afternoon. They could be down more like 13.5- to 2.5 before singles.
was just thinking about that...was hoping to cut to the chase, but there may not be one at this rate
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Inexcusable!
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I think you could argue the Euros have the 3 best players right now in Hovland, Rory, and Rahm.
They are the 3 best players.
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Rahm has been the best player in the world for a few years...but Hovland may be playing the best golf of anyone in the world right now, he's absolutely out of his mind. That, plus Rory, I think gives the Euro a pure advantage, even before all the team building/camaraderie and whatnot.
Team USA is full of country club soft azz front running Jessie’s. Cantlay and X are protesting over money while Team Europe has always been about the Cup. Always. It’s why cheering for them is easy.
Team USA has always been about themselves save a player or two. They’ll tell you how much they care when they’re winning but when they get down, they quit. Losers
I give Scottie credit for being the first American to show some emotion this week but it took a historical ass kicking.
Soft, embarrassing, gutless and cowardly
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The consequences of years of participation trophies coming to fruition.
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The consequences of years of participation trophies coming to fruition.
Thanks, boomers
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Now, if they go 4-0 in fourball…
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I don’t know if those Cantlay rumors are true or not, but if they are, why even accept the invitation to play?
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Team USA is full of country club soft azz front running Jessie’s. Cantlay and X are protesting over money while Team Europe has always been about the Cup. Always. It’s why cheering for them is easy.
Team USA has always been about themselves save a player or two. They’ll tell you how much they care when they’re winning but when they get down, they quit. Losers
I give Scottie credit for being the first American to show some emotion this week but it took a historical ass kicking.
Soft, embarrassing, gutless and cowardly
It really is easy to root for the Euros.
9 & 7 ????
Time for Koepka to make another inane reference to something Rahm did months ago. That'll show the Euros!
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I don’t know if those Cantlay rumors are true or not, but if they are, why even accept the invitation to play?
He’s the worst anyway. There’s enough smoke there
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It really is easy to root for the Euros.
Time for Koepka to make another inane reference to something Rahm did months ago. That'll show the Euros!
Rahm said he hit a board on 17 yesterday. His comments were classy per usual.
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Europe sat Rahm in four ball?
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I don’t know if those Cantlay rumors are true or not, but if they are, why even accept the invitation to play?
I just read this "hat protest" thing? You're 100% correct if true.
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I just read this "hat protest" thing? You're 100% correct if true.
David Duval protested lack of Ryder pay about 25 years ago . Cantlay putting his modern spin on things
https://nypost.com/2023/09/30/patrick-cantlay-refusing-to-wear-us-hat-in-ryder-cup-controversy/amp/
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Can’t we get some Saudi money for the US team?
Like really quick?
I’m sure Koepka could feign interest for a butt load of cash.
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Complaints about pay are really understandable considering these guys are abducted in the middle of the night, smuggled onto a plane, and forced to come and play the event.
Hell, I don’t even remember Mickelson ever b!tching about pay for the Ryder Cup? If you ever find yourself playing more of a financial martyr than Lefty, you should probably reassess.
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Haven’t seen much of Harman, but watching him approach the ball gives me anxiety haha
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Haven’t seen much of Harman, but watching him approach the ball gives me anxiety haha
Harman's a good dude Burrow! He has admitted his waggle stuff is out of control but with his recent success it's been tough to truncate his routine. Since he's not an asshead (like Sergio) I think you can deal with some anxiety. :)
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Zach … Spieth … what?
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OK … tip of the cap to Cantlay.
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I don’t know if those Cantlay rumors are true or not, but if they are, why even accept the invitation to play?
What’s the rumors?
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Rory still livid post round.
https://twitter.com/lifeoftimreilly/status/1708170554119778344?s=46&t=Zv7axY1sfeZxlIpcdnpeaA
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Team USA has always been about themselves save a player or two. They’ll tell you how much they care when they’re winning but when they get down, they quit. Losers.
Soft, embarrassing, gutless and cowardly
MU during the Wojo era.
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Rory still livid post round.
https://twitter.com/lifeoftimreilly/status/1708170554119778344?s=46&t=Zv7axY1sfeZxlIpcdnpeaA
Well, hats were waved.
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MU during the Wojo era.
MU 'fans' during the Wojo era.
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Well, hats were waved.
Looks like he was upset about LaCava waving his hat while he was reading his putt. Looked like LaCava was a good bit away from Rory’s ball and Rory was just looking for drama.
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Do we know if this Cantlay story is true?
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Do we know if this Cantlay story is true?
It’s true. He’s the rocket surgeon of Team USA
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MU 'fans' during the Wojo era.
Imagine Cantlay writing a letter. That’s leadership.
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It’s true. He’s the rocket surgeon of Team USA
well, if the usa end up wining this thing with the biggest comeback of ryder cup history, it was sparked by patrick "rocket surgeon" cantlay
gotta be a lot of guys icing their knees here on scoop eyn'a?
lory's a little butt hurt because some dude without a golf hat ruined his party
tomorrow morning is going to be a war!!
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i don't like the morikawa-hovland match up. think we could have done better. morikawa is and has been leaking oil.
fearless rickie could have been a better choice
love to see lory go down big-come on sammy!!
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i don't like the morikawa-hovland match up. think we could have done better. morikawa is and has been leaking oil.
fearless rickie could have been a better choice
love to see lory go down big-come on sammy!!
It’s a blind draw. Captains independently pick the order. They don’t know the matchups until orders are revealed.
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🚀,
We're in serious trouble. Overcoming the dumpster fire of the first three sessions is a monumental task. Europe may be better but they're not this much better.
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🚀,
We're in serious trouble. Overcoming the dumpster fire of the first three sessions is a monumental task. Europe may be better but they're not this much better.
Yes, but I just got up and checked the scores. We’re ahead in 10 matches, tied in the other two. That’s as good a start as we could hope for really. And they’re almost all meaningful leads, not 1 up through 1 or 2 (except Fowler)
Very long way to go, but this is very encouraging.
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Yes, but I just got up and checked the scores. We’re ahead in 10 matches, tied in the other two. That’s as good a start as we could hope for really. And they’re almost all meaningful leads, not 1 up through 1 or 2 (except Fowler)
Very long way to go, but this is very encouraging.
Maybe my computer is wrong but that's not what I see.
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Maybe my computer is wrong but that's not what I see.
Never mind. Read it wrong. Wishful thinking. Idiot.
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I can’t put it on tv right now, but those are scores CBS sports have/had up.
I'm not watching but Yahoo reads we're down in 6 matches and 3 of the top 6. And down big in two matches.
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I'm not watching but Yahoo reads we're down in 6 matches and 3 of the top 6. And down big in two matches.
Yep. We’re toast.
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Scottie only getting 1/2 point seals it. Choke job on 18
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Max Homa, superstar.
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These choking Euros are missing their putts by a mile.
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US has better talent for singles. Euros leaking oil down the stretch so still possible
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Fleetwood playing well all year . Good to see him earn the winning points
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Somehow a perfect ending: Fowler goes into the water, and then concedes the Ryder Cup.
Good sports theater. And the better team won.
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Rickie really not make him putt that? Soft
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Somehow a perfect ending: Fowler goes into the water, and then concedes the Ryder Cup.
Good sports theater. And the better team won.
Fowler sucks
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Just another soft American team on European soil crapping the bed. That’s enough of the good pals BS. Fire Zach Johnson into the moon.
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The streak is alive. And no scoopers need to ice their knees. (Whatever that means)
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Why didn't the USA team just focus and attack more?
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The streak is alive. And no scoopers need to ice their knees. (Whatever that means)
Never a doubt.
Completely outplayed, outclassed and out coached. A thorough rout on every level. They should make everyone swim home except Homa. Let Cantlay and X go play for Saudi cash. Front-running losers, the lot of them
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i don't like the morikawa-hovland match up. think we could have done better. morikawa is and has been leaking oil.
fearless rickie could have been a better choice
love to see lory go down big-come on sammy!!
Nice concession by fearless Rickie. What a gutless coward
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Why didn't the USA team just focus and attack more?
Good question.
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Nice concession by fearless Rickie. What a gutless coward
That putt for Golf Jesus was at least as long as the one McIntyre had just missed. I guess that's what, sportsmanship?
As I said, a fitting conclusion. Rickie flies one into the drink and then makes a headscratching concession.
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That putt for Golf Jesus was at least as long as the one McIntyre had just missed. I guess that's what, sportsmanship?
As I said, a fitting conclusion. Rickie flies one into the drink and then makes a headscratching concession.
He’ll probably make a commercial out of it. He should never be on another Ryder Cup team unless he’s getting someone coffee
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That putt for Golf Jesus was at least as long as the one McIntyre had just missed. I guess that's what, sportsmanship?
As I said, a fitting conclusion. Rickie flies one into the drink and then makes a headscratching concession.
So head scratching that it makes you wonder if he got a call from Phil this morning.
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So head scratching that it makes you wonder if he got a call from Phil this morning.
(https://em-content.zobj.net/source/animated-noto-color-emoji/356/clapping-hands_1f44f.gif)
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Typical American performance, such a tough team to root for.
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Typical American performance, such a tough team to root for.
Homa was great, Cantlay and Harmon had moments. That was about it.
When their best are almost running the table and our best (Scheffler, WTF) suck you cannot win.
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Homa was great, Cantlay and Harmon had moments. That was about it.
When their best are almost running the table and our best (Scheffler, WTF) suck you cannot win.
Scheffler & Koepka lost a 4-Ball match 9& 7. I repeat: 9&7. I get Zach Johnson taking significant blame but when you're that bad as the #1 player in the world, and a guy with 5 Majors, that's either mystifying or totally inexcusable.
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SI's Jeff Ritter graded each player for both teams.
https://www.si.com/golf/news/ryder-cup-2023-grades-for-every-player?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morning-read-newsletter-&date=2023-10-02
Highest score, A+, went to Rory and Homa. Six others got A or A-: Rahm, Hovland, Fleetwood, Hatton, Aberg, Cantlay. (I agree about all except Aberg; silly to give an A for potential.)
Four F's: Scheffler, Morikawa, Spieth and Fowler. Of the latter, Ritter said: "Probably wishes he just stayed at the gala."
Zach Johnson got a C-, Luke Donald an A+.
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I had no idea that players weren’t paid to participate in the Cup, and no idea why that would be controversial.
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SI's Jeff Ritter graded each player for both teams.
https://www.si.com/golf/news/ryder-cup-2023-grades-for-every-player?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morning-read-newsletter-&date=2023-10-02
Highest score, A+, went to Rory and Homa. Six others got A or A-: Rahm, Hovland, Fleetwood, Hatton, Aberg, Cantlay. (I agree about all except Aberg; silly to give an A for potential.)
Four F's: Scheffler, Morikawa, Spieth and Fowler. Of the latter, Ritter said: "Probably wishes he just stayed at the gala."
Zach Johnson got a C-, Luke Donald an A+.
Zach got a C-?? This guy is an idiot.
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Zach got a C-?? This guy is an idiot.
F? D+?
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F? D+?
What’s lower than F? Zach was a disaster
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I had no idea that players weren’t paid to participate in the Cup, and no idea why that would be controversial.
Yea, for as huge of an event it is, I’m a bit surprised they aren’t paid. I wonder if their endorsement contracts give them bonuses.
Based on the travel and time commitment, it feels like they should make something.
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What’s lower than F? Zach was a disaster
Tiger next team C?
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Yea, for as huge of an event it is, I’m a bit surprised they aren’t paid. I wonder if their endorsement contracts give them bonuses.
Based on the travel and time commitment, it feels like they should make something.
20% of the revenue goes to the PGA Tour proper. The money is largely placed into the players pension fund.
The player also receive money for their respective charities.
Is it enough? I don’t know the answer but if X and Pat the Hat don’t want to play without a bigger paycheck, next man up.
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Tiger next team C?
Rumor has it it’s supposed to be Stewart Cink for Bethpage. FIGJAM was supposed to get that one before the Saudi’s bought off his gambling debts.
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The hat thing cracked me up. I enjoyed the fans getting into it, and got a kick out of some of the U.S. players giving it back to them. Trash talk in a game like golf if is fun.
Of course, the Euros and their fans could have always responded the time-honored way by simply saying: "Scoreboard!"
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The hat thing cracked me up. I enjoyed the fans getting into it, and got a kick out of some of the U.S. players giving it back to them. Trash talk in a game like golf if is fun.
Of course, the Euros and their fans could have always responded the time-honored way by simply saying: "Scoreboard!"
Bethpage is going to be bad. Euro and the Euro press better get some real thick skin between now and then
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Bethpage is going to be bad. Euro and the Euro press better get some real thick skin between now and then
Agree, though I naively hope it's only as "bad" as these Euro fans were. I didn't watch it all, but I watched a lot, and I never heard anybody yell during a backswing or a putt or anything like that. They generally were quiet when they were supposed to be. I hope that'll be the case at Bethpage, too. If it is, what they yell during the not-quiet moments shouldn't matter much.
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Agree, though I naively hope it's only as "bad" as these Euro fans were. I didn't watch it all, but I watched a lot, and I never heard anybody yell during a backswing or a putt or anything like that. They generally were quiet when they were supposed to be. I hope that'll be the case at Bethpage, too. If it is, what they yell during the not-quiet moments shouldn't matter much.
I have my doubts that happens. I think it’ll be bad, like Brookline bad.
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Bethpage will set new standards for inappropriate behavior. I will set the over/under for European players or caddies stopped from going into the crowd after a heckler at 4.
The money thing goes back to David Duval and Brookline, IIRC.
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Any explanation as to why Scheffy, Morikawa, and Speith in particular were cataclysmic disasters? I heard Speith literally looked like a muni hack. What's up with the dude?
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Any explanation as to why Scheffy, Morikawa, and Speith in particular were cataclysmic disasters? I heard Speith literally looked like a muni hack. What's up with the dude?
All the US guys hadn’t played in a month+
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Any explanation as to why Scheffy, Morikawa, and Speith in particular were cataclysmic disasters? I heard Speith literally looked like a muni hack. What's up with the dude?
Spieth just became a dad. As family focused as he is, I have to believe that his preparation and focus for golf were not normal.
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Spieth just became a dad. As family focused as he is, I have to believe that his preparation and focus for golf were not normal.
Also, looking at how he’s played the last few years, it’s not too surprising. He bounced back this year but he was playing at Fowler levels for awhile I think.
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Any explanation as to why Scheffy, Morikawa, and Speith in particular were cataclysmic disasters? I heard Speith literally looked like a muni hack. What's up with the dude?
Took a month off. Morikawa sucked this year. Scheffler is rebuilding his entire putting stroke. Spieth is a massive hit or miss player and Tower is right, just had a kid.
Cantlay is getting married today, so he planned his wedding for the day after the Ryder Cup.
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Spieth is a notorious over-thinker on the course. When things aren't going well, he can be a real mess.
That situation with Zach Johnson followed by the shot into the drink was something. I'd love to know what really went on there. But Spieth was a disaster even before that.
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Should have gotten you, Goose, Muggsy, and Rico. (If Rico would deign to be seen in public) If nothing else, having you guys being mic'd up would have been must see.
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Should have gotten you, Goose, Muggsy, and Rico. (If Rico would deign to be seen in public) If nothing else, having you guys being mic'd up would have been must see.
I can tell you this, I’d have left Spieth, JT, Morikawa and Flower at home and sent Cantlay and X to Saudi Arabia. We may not have won but we would have had a better chance
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I can tell you this, I’d have left Spieth, JT, Morikawa and Flower at home and sent Cantlay and X to Saudi Arabia. We may not have won but we would have had a better chance
What? You LOVE JT!
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Should have sent D Wade to Rome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVHr6V54mhY
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So, Xander almost lost his place on the team. If I thought LIV had a long term future, I could definitely see more players jumping. Filthy lucre.
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Article on Golf.com how Donald worked with the BMW to have all 12 European players playing together on Thursday and Friday. I commented at the time that so many were in contention and playing well. I missed the Thursday-Friday pairings.
Everybody on the American side except JT had taken the month off after the FedEx Cup. For those who still care.
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Article on Golf Digest how Donald worked with the BMW to have all 12 European players playing together on Thursday and Friday. I commented at the time that so many were in contention and playing well. I missed the Thursday-Friday pairings.
Everybody on the American side except JT had taken the month off after the FedEx Cup. For those who still care.
The be fair, Homa played in the Fortnet tournament also cuz he was the defending champ. It’s worth noting that he was also our best player
Brooks also played the weekend before in LIV Chicago
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Article on Golf Digest how Donald worked with the BMW to have all 12 European players playing together on Thursday and Friday. I commented at the time that so many were in contention and playing well. I missed the Thursday-Friday pairings.
Everybody on the American side except JT had taken the month off after the FedEx Cup. For those who still care.
It’s obvious the American team doesn’t care
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The be fair, Homa played in the Fortnet tournament also cuz he was the defending champ. It’s worth noting that he was also our best player
Brooks also played the weekend before in LIV Chicago
Homa also is the man and probably the most likable of this American squad
EDIT: https://x.com/maxhoma/status/1709194283855773738?s=46
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I firmly believe the real explanation behind hatgate is Cantlay’s wife just didn’t want him to have a goofy tan line for their wedding.
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I firmly believe the real explanation behind hatgate is Cantlay’s wife just didn’t want him to have a goofy tan line for their wedding.
Has that thought crossed my mind. Also, he didn’t wear a hat at Whistling Straits. At least in a few pictures I saw.