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Title: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on October 16, 2013, 08:00:12 PM
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/dam/assets/131009120524-101413-andrew-wiggins-si-cover-single-image-cut.jpg)
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on October 16, 2013, 08:39:43 PM
I hope not.....I'm going to rely on "science" to disprove it.  Sort of.


http://whywereason.com/2011/06/25/the-myth-of-the-si-jinx/
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: brandx on October 16, 2013, 10:53:21 PM
I hope not.....I'm going to rely on "science" to disprove it.  Sort of.


http://whywereason.com/2011/06/25/the-myth-of-the-si-jinx/

Good post. Top athletes are what they are because they DON'T fold under pressure. Lebron James, Michael Jordan, Wayne, Gretzky who don't regress to normal are the exception not the rule.

But reading Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell would explain it a thousand times better than I.
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on October 16, 2013, 11:04:45 PM
I think the idea is fun, certainly to talk about in the bar or whatever.  Unfortunately it becomes a bit of a life of its own and folks tend to remember the bad stuff and not the good stuff or things that don't happen at all to a person, or team on the cover.  Human nature I suppose.

An article on the jinx and researchers reaction to it.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2506&dat=19840712&id=cuVQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DwwNAAAAIBAJ&pg=1145,3767410
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: MarsupialMadness on October 17, 2013, 08:47:48 AM
I hope not.....I'm going to rely on "science" to disprove it.  Sort of.


http://whywereason.com/2011/06/25/the-myth-of-the-si-jinx/

Interesting read, thanks.
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on October 17, 2013, 09:01:37 AM
I hope not.....I'm going to rely on "science" to disprove it.  Sort of.


http://whywereason.com/2011/06/25/the-myth-of-the-si-jinx/

That is not my understanding of the SI jinx.  They elected a straw man.  It is not that the cover causes the poor performance.

To get on the cover, you have to do something extraordinary or have unrealistic expectations that are impossible to live up to.  Appearing on the cover means someone or something is over-hyped and cannot live up to those expectations.  Andrew Wiggins having this kind of expectation (complete with a reference to Wilt and Manning) almost guarantees he cannot live up to this hype.

Financial market players use TIME magazine the same way.  When Time puts a financial story on the cover (meaning the financial story was so important that they bumped a half naked Miley Cyrus from the cover) it means that trend or story has to be so extended to make the cover that the move is about over.
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: Benny B on October 17, 2013, 09:41:11 AM
"Regression fallacy" is the nice way to explain it.... I usually term the phenomenon "Nancies who always whine about the bad things that happen but refuse to recognize positive achievements," or its short-version, "just another day on Scoop."
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: Chicago_inferiority_complexes on October 17, 2013, 09:49:08 AM
That is not my understanding of the SI jinx.  They elected a straw man.  It is not that the cover causes the poor performance.

To get on the cover, you have to do something extraordinary or have unrealistic expectations that are impossible to live up to.  Appearing on the cover means someone or something is over-hyped and cannot live up to those expectations.  Andrew Wiggins having this kind of expectation (complete with a reference to Wilt and Manning) almost guarantees he cannot live up to this hype.

Financial market players use TIME magazine the same way.  When Time puts a financial story on the cover (meaning the financial story was so important that they bumped a half naked Miley Cyrus from the cover) it means that trend or story has to be so extended to make the cover that the move is about over.

I tried to find, but couldn't a great cover of either TIME or Newsweek from about 2005 with the title "It's Not Over Yet!" and some cartoon guy squeezing his house with $$$ coming out of it, basically saying that the housing market increase was never going to end. I think the same magazine actually did almost the same thing a couple years ago.
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on October 17, 2013, 01:52:21 PM
I tried to find, but couldn't a great cover of either TIME or Newsweek from about 2005 with the title "It's Not Over Yet!" and some cartoon guy squeezing his house with $$$ coming out of it, basically saying that the housing market increase was never going to end. I think the same magazine actually did almost the same thing a couple years ago.

Literally the high of the housing Frenzy (when it would have been an excellent time to sell a house)

June 14, 2005


(http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/2005/1101050613_400.jpg)

Then after the bust (when it would have been an excellent time to buy a house)

September 6, 2010


(http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/2010/1101100906_400.jpg)



Then
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: Sunbelt15 on October 17, 2013, 03:24:02 PM
As long as he's not put on the cover of a NFL video game, he'll be alright.
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on October 17, 2013, 04:39:48 PM
Literally the high of the housing Frenzy (when it would have been an excellent time to sell a house)




I was always partial to these two


(http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2013/06/Facebook_meme_Global_Cooling_11.gif)
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: Chicago_inferiority_complexes on October 20, 2013, 12:03:10 AM
Literally the high of the housing Frenzy (when it would have been an excellent time to sell a house)

June 14, 2005


(http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/2005/1101050613_400.jpg)

Then after the bust (when it would have been an excellent time to buy a house)

September 6, 2010


(http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/2010/1101100906_400.jpg)



Then

You got 'em! I bow before your web searching skills.
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on October 20, 2013, 07:17:47 PM
So since Louisville lost this week, does that count for the SI Jinx?
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: keefe on October 20, 2013, 07:43:53 PM
So since Louisville lost this week, does that count for the SI Jinx?

I would say so though The Jinx is usually associated with cover photo.
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: MarsupialMadness on October 24, 2013, 10:45:17 AM
Here's to hoping it's not true:

(http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4964687014593449&pid=1.7)
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on October 24, 2013, 05:43:50 PM
That cover looks familar ... oh yes, now I remember.

March 2004

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/542213/SIcubswood.png)

Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: keefe on October 24, 2013, 11:32:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/J0yBJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: Stronghold on October 25, 2013, 08:56:16 AM
No one has the Kate Upton cover???
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: MarsupialMadness on November 29, 2013, 01:31:45 PM
Here's to hoping it's not true:

(http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4964687014593449&pid=1.7)

Well, darn.
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on November 30, 2013, 12:27:25 AM
Romo was on the cover this week....all good
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: CTWarrior on December 04, 2013, 11:04:23 AM
The week before Romo, AJ McCarron was on the cover with "On The Brink Of A Third National Title" caption.  So score another for the jinx.
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: brewcity77 on December 04, 2013, 11:37:53 PM
No one has the Kate Upton cover???

I think I jinxed all over it.
Title: Re: Sports Illustrated Jinx?
Post by: Eldon on December 05, 2013, 12:24:39 PM
I think I jinxed all over it.

HA!! Nice...