Marquette Hate?

[NCMUFan]

If you can walk to your own beat stick with Marquette.  Marquette is well known and respected nationally.  Many of Marquettes students come from out of state.  You never have to play second fiddle if you stick with Marquette, which is probably a big reason the antagonism with Bucky.

[augoman]

you might mention that during the 60's their teams were so bad that even their football team couldn't draw flies at homecoming!!!  Further, UW was everyone from Wisconsin's 'fall-back' school.  The Marquette Warriors on the other hand were a basketball dynasty- never ranked out of the top ten nationally for a ten year period!  Covers of the national Sports Illustrateds every few months, on and on and on.  Additionally, as a private school, MU students were seen as elitists by the baajrs.  It's a jealousy that is passed down by the previous generation.  Your friends parents know their school was crap for decades, and massive infusions of tax dollars for facilities and coaches has finally brought their programs up to a Marquette-quality level.  The hate is just a distilled, perverted jealousy from their parents.

There is much more to it, including the actions of their alumni at games today (I'm often embarrassed to be from Wisconsin when I see the behavior at games in other states).

[HoopsMalone]

They are just mad that we stole Vander from them.

I wouldn't even characterize it that way.  Badger fans have an assumption that every player from Wisconsin belongs to UW.  Not the case at all this decade.  Sanders, Jackson, Merrit, Diener, Novak, Matthews, JMay, Blue, Scotty C. That's a good amount of talent going elsewhere than Madison and does not even include players like Jerry Smith and Jamil Wilson.   

No one stole Blue from them.  Blue just saw how good of a thing Buzz had going and came there.  There was no stealing at all. 

[MUEng92]

It isn't necessarily just an anti-MU thing.  It could just be anti-anything not traditional "Wisconsin" thing.  For example, driving through my subdivision last night I passed a parked car with a "Cubs Suck" bumper sticker.  It was a larger sticker than the Brewers sticker on the other side of the bumper.  To some people it is more fun to be against something than it is to be for something.  I have a Packers cling, a Cubs cling and an MU cling on my back window.  I can't imagine having anything to do with a rival on my car even if it is negative.  Besides being completely pathetic, why would a fan want to see their rival's logo every time they get in their car?

Sad life for that type person.

Now that song, "The Bears Still Suck", that is hilarious. 

[d6]

Additionally, Wisconsin is very liberal left leaning stae home of Socialist mayors and much Communistic and Scoialistic leanings.  they dont call UW-Madison the Peoples Republic of Madison for no reason.  In contrast Mu has been a much more conservative Catholic demographic that flies in the face of anti- religious Socialists.
Additionally, Mu is private and self sustaining therefore evil in a socialistic state.

Is this meant to be taken seriously?  Whether you believe it or not, do you really believe this is what fuels 16-18 year olds rooting interests?

[Hards Alumni]

Additionally, Wisconsin is very liberal left leaning stae home of Socialist mayors and much Communistic and Scoialistic leanings.  they dont call UW-Madison the Peoples Republic of Madison for no reason.  In contrast Mu has been a much more conservative Catholic demographic that flies in the face of anti- religious Socialists.
Additionally, Mu is private and self sustaining therefore evil in a socialistic state.

Lastly, you probably dont realize this nor do your ignorant young friends but Wisconsin for the last 50+ years was the laughing stock of the BIg Ten in Basketball.  Think Indiana Basketball today and you have Wisconsin basketball for 50 years. Wisconsin and Northwestern played each other twice every year to determine last palce in the Big Ten.  This went on for 50 years.  Meanwhile Mu was producing NBA players and All-Americans and regularly particiapating in the NCAA and for a good stretch of that time was one of THE teams in collge basketball.  Many of the older oflks grew to hate MU out of jealousy.  Then starting about 10 years ago Wisconsin began to enjoy some success and even got extremely lucky one year and played a bunch of games in the 40's and got into the Final 4,  lo and behold 2 year later Mu was there too.  This only drove them more nuts.  Funny thing is young Wisconsin fans think Wisky was always good in fact that have usually been terrible.  Funny thing is listening to the older people you would think Wisconsin basketball started 10 years ago.  Pure Jealousy

most of this is stupid... really stupid.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Wisconsin's fan base (a majority of the WI population) view themselves as a large, inclusive melting pot of diverse views, incomes, religions, ethnicities, etc., with members from all over the state who are born to root for the home team. Most see Marquette as a bunch of rich, spoiled, Catholic elitists who were born on third base. By sheer numbers and geography, it's easy to see why you're getting no love. Differences and perceptions aside, if you're from Wisconsin, you're lucky to have two great options for college. A lot of states don't have any.

This.

As far as kids/younger people specifically, I think UW is just everywhere, and therefore they just naturally become a fans.

If MU's exposure stays high and UW drops off for 20 years, you'd probably see a lot of UW football fans that are MU basketball fans statewide.

I think exposure is a big part of it.

[Canadian Dimes]

most of this is stupid... really stupid.

as are the vast majority of your posts, my self and others tho have the class not to say anything.  Thanks for the opinion.

[Hards Alumni]

as are the vast majority of your posts, my self and others tho have the class not to say anything.  Thanks for the opinion.

haha whatever, Hayward.  It has nothing to do with class, it has to do with you being wrong.

how is Wisconsin a "Liberal" state?  Does it lean Dem?  Yes, recently.  It is a battleground state nearly every election.

Again, it has nothing to do with 'class' it has to do with you being WRONG.  Facts are facts.

[Canadian Dimes]

well 2/3 of my post dealt with UW's lack of basketball success over the last 50 years.

on the political side if you want to state you opinion as fact then good for you.  I think you could actually look up the congressional election out comes for the state along with presidential and governor elections and probably not too many people would color Wisconsin as "battleground".  Maybe in your world pelosi as a "dem lean".  Did you know wisconsin voted the last 6 straight election Democrat?  show me the others that did that.  My guess would be HAwaii, Minnesota.  heck I dont think eve Massachussets did that!! 
 
lastly you posted Most of this is stupid..really stupid...   2/3 to 3/4 of my post dealt with the misfortunes of Wiso BBall.

so go look at your election records and review 5th grade fractions and then review your attack. 

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

well 2/3 of my post dealt with UW's lack of basketball success over the last 50 years.

lastly you posted Most of this is stupid..really stupid...   2/3 to 3/4 of my post dealt with the misfortunes of Wiso BBall.

...review 5th grade fractions and then review your attack. 

Agreed.

Hards, please use the term "some" instead of "most" when you blast Hayward's post. It makes a HUGE difference.

[Canadian Dimes]

Agreed.

Hards, please use the term "some" instead of "most" when you blast Hayward's post. It makes a HUGE difference.

couldnt your time be better spent scouring the internet to defend your boyfriend Tan Tommy

[GGGG]

One reason and one reason only: They know they can't get in!

This would be a solid reason...but Madison is harder to get into than MU.

[Skatastrophy]

This would be a solid reason...but Madison is harder to get into than MU.

Right... all of the auto-admittances from Madison Area Tech College and UW-Middle of Nowhere are the best and the brightest

[GGGG]

Right... all of the auto-admittances from Madison Area Tech College and UW-Middle of Nowhere are the best and the brightest

UW-Madison's freshman acceptance rate = 56%
Marquette's = 70%

I know that goes against the "they are so jellous and they hate us" theme on this board, but facts are facts.

[Hards Alumni]

well 2/3 of my post dealt with UW's lack of basketball success over the last 50 years.

on the political side if you want to state you opinion as fact then good for you.  I think you could actually look up the congressional election out comes for the state along with presidential and governor elections and probably not too many people would color Wisconsin as "battleground".  Maybe in your world pelosi as a "dem lean".  Did you know wisconsin voted the last 6 straight election Democrat?  show me the others that did that.  My guess would be HAwaii, Minnesota.  heck I dont think eve Massachussets did that!! 
 
lastly you posted Most of this is stupid..really stupid...   2/3 to 3/4 of my post dealt with the misfortunes of Wiso BBall.

so go look at your election records and review 5th grade fractions and then review your attack. 

You acted like it was a blow out victory for the dems every year!  Language matters, Hayward.  Prior to Jim Doyle being Governor, WI was run by Tommy Thompson (he was Head of Health and Human Services under Bush!) for FOURTEEN YEARS.  He statistically dominated every opponent that ran against him.  CURRENTLY, Scott Walker (R) is out polling Tom Barrett (D).  But hey, why let facts get in the way.  You rarely ever do!  Is the state congress Democrat owned NOW (ASSEMBLY:52D, 46R, 1I - SENATE:18D, 15R)?  YES!  Was it that way a few years ago (ASSEMBLY  in 2004:60R, 39D - SENATE in 2006: R19, D14  )? NO! So finally, in 2008, after 20 years, the Democrats hold both the congress and the governers mansion and your conclusion is that Wisconsin is VERY LEFT LEANING LIBERAL?   LOL!

Wisconsin is a battleground state because it seems to vote with the prevailing winds of the time.  It is neither staunchly conservative or liberal.  Any news outlet or polling service will tell you that it is a "swing state".

You're a dumbass if you think it is a "VERY LEFT LEANING LIBERAL STATE".  And that is what you said.  ERGO, you're a dumbass.

This isn't a political debate mods... its a "Hayward is a moron and can't back up his rediculous statements" debate

[cheebs09]

UW-Madison's freshman acceptance rate = 56%
Marquette's = 70%

I know that goes against the "they are so jellous and they hate us" theme on this board, but facts are facts.

That stat can be a little misleading though. Probably not enough for a 14% difference, but Marquette you have to pay to apply, while UW I don't believe you do. Which means that more people that seriously consider going to Marquette and think they will get in will apply (I know if you know an alum you can apply for free but not everyone does that or cares enough to want to go through the hassle if they don't plan on going there). However, I know people that have no hope of getting into UW that apply because their parents want them too or just for the heck of it. So between the fee and maybe the general norm in WI that you should at least try to get into UW, UW gets more applications from people who don't fit their criteria and thus more kids don't get accepted. I believe that Madison is harder to get into, but not by much.

[GGGG]

Wisconsin is an economic conservative, social libertarian state.  

That is why Tommy Thompson was elected time after time (he never really pushed conservative social issues) and why Feingold has been in office for 18 years.  (He's a libertarian on many issues.)  Watch, neither Walker nor Neumann will touch on social issues versus Barrett, whomever wins the primary.  They will focus on balancing the state budget, responsible government, etc.  IOW, there isn't much of a religious-right in Wisconsin.

[GGGG]

That stat can be a little misleading though. Probably not enough for a 14% difference, but Marquette you have to pay to apply, while UW I don't believe you do.

It's the opposite.  MU is free (at least through the common application), whereas you have to pay to apply at UW-Madison.

[Skatastrophy]

UW-Madison's freshman acceptance rate = 56%
Marquette's = 70%

I know that goes against the "they are so jellous and they hate us" theme on this board, but facts are facts.

Your facts just prove that all of the idiots in Wisconsin app to UW@Madison.  I didn't claim that all MU students are smarter than UW@Madison students, but while UW@Madison may not admit freshmen in bulk they are auto-admitting all students that attended 2 years at any other UW school or Madison/Milwaukee Area Technical College.  Not reviewing their application after further schooling, but auto-admitting students with a 3.0 or above.

If that's not Ivy League I don't know what is.

[Canadian Dimes]

You acted like it was a blow out victory for the dems every year!  Language matters, Hayward.  Prior to Jim Doyle being Governor, WI was run by Tommy Thompson (he was Head of Health and Human Services under Bush!) for FOURTEEN YEARS.  He statistically dominated every opponent that ran against him.  CURRENTLY, Scott Walker (R) is out polling Tom Barrett (D).  But hey, why let facts get in the way.  You rarely ever do!  Is the state congress Democrat owned NOW (ASSEMBLY:52D, 46R, 1I - SENATE:18D, 15R)?  YES!  Was it that way a few years ago (ASSEMBLY  in 2004:60R, 39D - SENATE in 2006: R19, D14  )? NO! So finally, in 2008, after 20 years, the Democrats hold both the congress and the governers mansion and your conclusion is that Wisconsin is VERY LEFT LEANING LIBERAL?   LOL!

Wisconsin is a battleground state because it seems to vote with the prevailing winds of the time.  It is neither staunchly conservative or liberal.  Any news outlet or polling service will tell you that it is a "swing state".

You're a dumbass if you think it is a "VERY LEFT LEANING LIBERAL STATE".  And that is what you said.  ERGO, you're a dumbass.

This isn't a political debate mods... its a "Hayward is a moron and can't back up his rediculous statements" debate

wow you seem to have all kinds of stats yet you avoid the fact that 2/3 of my original post dealt with nothing politically.

Additonally, you do appear to use fact on occasion, since that is the case why dont you let us know how many other states have voted democratic the last 6 elections.  You are funny becuase despite your capital letters screaming does not change the facts.  MAybe you are insulated but Wisconsin is liberal left by every definistion out there.  state congress who cares baout that?  The Wisonsin cogressional sentate and Reps are almost always almost entirely democratic and then Wisconsin votes 6 for 6 and you wnat to argue.  Wow clownish!!  Heck the only repub. they ever voted for was Reagan!

[GGGG]

Your facts just prove that all of the idiots in Wisconsin app to UW@Madison.  I didn't claim that all MU students are smarter than UW@Madison students, but while UW@Madison may not admit freshmen in bulk they are auto-admitting all students that attended 2 years at any other UW school or Madison/Milwaukee Area Technical College.  Not reviewing their application after further schooling, but auto-admitting students with a 3.0 or above.

If that's not Ivy League I don't know what is.

1. Marquette has all sorts of transfer agreements with MATC and UW Colleges.  Really, it isn't all that hard to transfer most places after two years.  The first two years are the most expensive for any institution (on a cost per pupil basis), so if you have students who are willing to enter after proving they can cut it academically, most four year schools will take them without many questions.  I know Notre Dame gets a lot of "backdoor admissions" that way.

2. The entire point I was making was that "77NCAAChamps" statement was inaccurate or at best misleading.  UW-Madison and MU are both moderately difficult to get into...much more difficult than when I was a high school student.  But UW-Madison accepts less applicants. 

[Benny B]

That stat can be a little misleading though. Probably not enough for a 14% difference, but Marquette you have to pay to apply, while UW I don't believe you do. Which means that more people that seriously consider going to Marquette and think they will get in will apply (I know if you know an alum you can apply for free but not everyone does that or cares enough to want to go through the hassle if they don't plan on going there). However, I know people that have no hope of getting into UW that apply because their parents want them too or just for the heck of it. So between the fee and maybe the general norm in WI that you should at least try to get into UW, UW gets more applications from people who don't fit their criteria and thus more kids don't get accepted. I believe that Madison is harder to get into, but not by much.

Back in my day you didn't apply to a particular UW school, you applied to the entire system and you were informed which schools admitted you.  Maybe things have changed, but I would suspect that most of the kids who applied wanting to go to Stout, LaCrosse, Whitewater and the like probably checked Madison just for the heck of it.  That alone would inflate applications to UW-Madison, thereby reducing the admission percentage.

[T-Bone]

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2.  ...But UW-Madison accepts less applicants. 

Any idea on the numbers applied vs accepted for both schools?

[GGGG]

Any idea on the numbers applied vs accepted for both schools?

No I do not.  Sorry.