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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on January 15, 2022, 01:12:00 PM
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1. Finding a way. Love the fight
2. 7'2 and 265 dictated play for a lot of the second half. I think Obiagu got tired down the stretch.
3. Three hot scorers in the first half was fun.
4. SHU decided to have whoever TKo was guarding attack the paint. I hope this is a bad day and not a new strategy.
5. Aiken brankles. Tough.
6. Is it me or is rebounding a recurring theme?
7. Seniors matter against big, strong, ranked teams. DM all game, GE with a clutch 3, Kur > Osa today.
8. 4 guards at winning time. I like the strategery.
9. Can't have a MU/Seton Hall game without officiating controversies.
10. Phew. I had visions of 72 USA-USSR.
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Shaka coached excellently down the stretch. The first 16 minutes of the second half may of been a bit wtf.
But he had the right moves late and a great rotation.
Still don't know if we end up with a winning conference record. But I do know they will battle.
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So that’s how opposing fans felt when Markus was around. Opposing fans probably hated him almost as much as some Marquette fans apparently do.
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Willard had the right to be pissed. Terrible call on that last shot.
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Shaka coached excellently down the stretch. The first 16 minutes of the second half may of been a bit wtf.
But he had the right moves late and a great rotation.
Still don't know if we end up with a winning conference record. But I do know they will battle.
The play call coming out of Lewis’s injury timeout was a thing of beauty. Wide open 3 for Greg at the top of the key.
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I don't know what it is with Kolek, but he doesn't appear to have much stamina and today he was really looking slow. Fortunately Shaka rested him frequently so he could contribute at the end.
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Willard had the right to be pissed. Terrible call on that last shot.
SHU got that call about 5 times today. They were constantly riding under our drives to the rim, but they’d call MU players getting under jump shooters constantly.
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Willard had the right to be pissed. Terrible call on that last shot.
Still not enough to make up for 2019
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Willard had the right to be pissed. Terrible call on that last shot.
Yup. That’s the kind of foul the NBA eliminated this year.
But the no-call on Lewis was an awful job as well.
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Missed the game, I’ve been too busy reading Duane Wilson’s tweets.
Two questions:
1) Did we score 50?
2) When does the gauntlet start?
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I don't know what it is with Kolek, but he doesn't appear to have much stamina and today he was really looking slow. Fortunately Shaka rested him frequently so he could contribute at the end.
I noticed he was low energy today, too.
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Willard had the right to be pissed. Terrible call on that last shot.
Who freaking cares
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SHU got that call about 5 times today. They were constantly riding under our drives to the rim, but they’d call MU players getting under jump shooters constantly.
Not really but OK.
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Willard had the right to be pissed. Terrible call on that last shot.
Willard deserved a T. Refs are cowards
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Willard had the right to be pissed. Terrible call on that last shot.
Over-under on how many times FBM repeats this. Even if the shooting foul was questionable, the arm grab was not. One way or another, Aiken fouled GE.
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Not really but OK.
Really.
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Yup. That’s the kind of foul the NBA eliminated this year.
But the no-call on Lewis was an awful job as well.
That wasn’t a foul either.
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Over-under on how many times FBM repeats this. Even if the shooting foul was questionable, the arm grab was not. One way or another, Aiken fouled GE.
I will repeat it as much as I want. Scoopers are the most homer bunch I have ever seen about refs. Complete lack of understanding.
SHU was screwed.
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Aiken was great. Kolek, Morsell and Jones all tried but to no avail.
Morsell was great, cancelled out Akins game, making it even there.
Thought Jones three three pointers were huge difference and momentum.
Kolek, Oso and Prosper were 2 for 13 with five totals points.
Rebounding ugh, but turnovers forced and SH missing some free throws was huge.
Nice win for the team.
Refs, refs, refs…..
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Willard had the right to be pissed. Terrible call on that last shot.
They could have called a reach in 0.2 seconds before the shot.
Willard got his share of calls too. It evens out.
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When you constantly yell "how the F did he make that shot" at TV, you know it's a special player.
Tip of the cap to Aiken. Terrific game and played with a ton of swag today.
HUGE and deserving win for MU. We needed this one.
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They could have called a reach in 0.2 seconds before the shot.
Willard got his share of calls too. It evens out.
Agreed. Refs were like college refs usually are. Inconsistent. Calls evened out.
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Willard had the right to be pissed. Terrible call on that last shot.
Maybe, I just loved watching him loose it. Hate that guy. Thought he might cry.
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Agreed. Refs were like college refs usually are. Inconsistent. Calls evened out.
If calls evened out, did SH get screwed?
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If calls evened out, did SH get screwed?
At the end yes.
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SHU got that call about 5 times today. They were constantly riding under our drives to the rim, but they’d call MU players getting under jump shooters constantly.
Yep and Aiken got one of those calls shortly before
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I will repeat it as much as I want. Scoopers are the most homer bunch I have ever seen about refs. Complete lack of understanding.
SHU was screwed.
I have called out Scoopers at least a half dozen times this year about whining over the refs. I thought today was the 1st time this year we had poor refs. Even looked like they were bickering amongst themselves several times.
There was no reason to expect they could make a proper call at the end.
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Aiken had several trips to the line that were clearly not warranted on the same type of shooting foul call. It was a game-deciding call vs. Greg, obviously. Thought the foul came on the floor when he ripped Greg's arm. Was it just me or did Willard pass up Shaka for a handshake for a moment?
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Would you prefer a Marquette win with a questionable call or a Marquette loss in perfect equity reffing?
At the end yes.
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First 3/4 or so of the second half was the shaky offense we'd seen during our bad stretch where we settled for tougher and longer shots early in the shot clock. Defensive rebounding was atrocious.
On the other hand, these kids compete. They play D, they share the ball. I am really starting to buy what Shaka is selling.
Nice, nice win. I am starting to think that within two years a one-point win over the number 20 team at home will be escaping an upset bid.
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I have called out Scoopers at least a half dozen times this year about whining over the refs. I thought today was the 1st time this year we had poor refs. Even looked like they were bickering amongst themselves several times.
There was no reason to expect they could make a proper call at the end.
I mean, apparently they didn't even know SH couldn't run the baseline after a TO.
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At the end yes.
If the refs caused the grab on the arm when Aiken was leaning the other way, leading to a one and one for Greg, would you have thought they got screwed at the end? Just curious. I could see them calling that either way. But any other time of the game I feel you expect that to be called.
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Whiny Willard strikes again. Really dislike that man. Complains constantly and always seems to avoid a Tech despite his untethered rage.
Aiken telling courtside fans to "Shut the F#$% Up" was very classy and showed great maturity. Not.
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Whiny Willard strikes again. Really dislike that man. Complains constantly and always seems to avoid a Tech despite his untethered rage.
Aiken telling courtside fans to "Shut the F#$% Up" was very classy and showed great maturity. Not.
Did not know he did that, but so on brand for Seton Hall.
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Willard had the right to be pissed. Terrible call on that last shot.
This is simply not accurate. There was a clear foul before the shot attempt that should have resulted in a 1 and 1 for Elliott. His arm was grabbed before his move to free himself for the shot.
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Did not know he did that, but so on brand for Seton Hall.
Yep, clear as day on the broadcast. It was right after they called a foul On Morsell when Aiken was driving to the hoop with 30 seconds left.
He says "Thats a F-ing foul" then he clearly looks at the courtside seats and yells "STFU"
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I will repeat it as much as I want. Scoopers are the most homer bunch I have ever seen about refs. Complete lack of understanding.
SHU was screwed.
LOL
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Would you prefer a Marquette win with a questionable call or a Marquette loss in perfect equity reffing?
Always a Marquette win. What a dumb question.
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Always a Marquette win. What a dumb question.
You have passed the test. You are not a NoLongerWarriors bot.
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This is simply not accurate. There was a clear foul before the shot attempt that should have resulted in a 1 and 1 for Elliott. His arm was grabbed before his move to free himself for the shot.
Yes. No sh*t. I have said so.
Wasn’t on the shot.
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Yes. No sh*t. I have said so.
Wasn’t on the shot.
Definitely foul before the shot. Maybe during shot. But he would shoot a 1 and 1 and he hit the first one . But 2-3 seconds versus 1.8 could have made a difference. But it is what it is! A W for MU!
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Didn't get to see the game but watched the last foul. Could've gone either way. Not a terrible call, especially if the refs were just trying to even things out from earlier mistakes
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That wasn’t a foul either.
Did you actually watch the game?
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Man, i love me some ignore list.
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From the SH board
“Are we forgetting how Aiken draws cheap fouls all game? We are cool with most of those suspect foul calls but not this one?”
Maybe fluffy could be cool we got a call in our favor for once?
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Did you actually watch the game?
Yes. It wasn’t a foul. Sorry not gonna be a homer about the refs.
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Didn't get to see the game but watched the last foul. Could've gone either way. Not a terrible call, especially if the refs were just trying to even things out from earlier mistakes
It was a terrible call.
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Yes. No sh*t. I have said so.
Wasn’t on the shot.
So how did SHU get "screwed" though?
Yes, the actual call was bad. But there should have been a foul called right before. 90% shooter going to the line.
I guess they were screwed out of a couple seconds. But lesson to be learned there is dont grab the guy Aiken.
SHU was fine getting away with the first no foul.
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Willard had the right to be pissed. Terrible call on that last shot.
I love it! The same poster who lectures the board constantly whenever they complain about bad officiating against Marquette is instead complaining about the officiating on behalf of Seton Hall!
This guy is such a fraud he should be banned to his own message board where he can make his 100 posts a day while living in his own echo chamber of absurdity!
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Yes. It wasn’t a foul. Sorry not gonna be a homer about the refs.
But you constantly ignore the grab on the arm prior to the shot. That's where you have a problem in integrity. You just roll over that to lamblast others on the final call.
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Aiken blew Stevie over in the first half which was a terrible call on Stevie!! Bad reffing all game
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So how did SHU get "screwed" though?
Yes, the actual call was bad. But there should have been a foul called right before. 90% shooter going to the line.
I guess they were screwed out of a couple seconds. But lesson to be learned there is dont grab the guy Aiken.
SHU was fine getting away with the first no foul.
Mostly because I am making a point for emphasis.
Seriously the refs never screwed MU over. And the “foul” on Elliott wasn’t a foul.
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But you constantly ignore the grab on the arm prior to the shot. That's where you have a problem in integrity. You just roll over that to lamblast others on the final call.
This might be the ninth time I have said he was fouled on the arm.
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Mostly because I am making a point for emphasis.
Seriously the refs never screwed MU over. And the “foul” on Elliott wasn’t a foul.
All fair,
can you now make it a point of emphasis to say that SHU was also not screwed over and that the refs just flat out sucked?
Going as far as to not even know baseline OB rules.
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I agree the refs were all over the place. What always confuses me is saying "college refs." People saying this - do you also follow the NBA closely? Go on Twitter or any NBA forum - the conversation is dominated by how badly the refs performed. If you attend a High School game - conversation in the stands is usually about how poorly the refs perform. And so on.
The modern game appears to be impossible to call with accuracy and the best we can hope for is that calls even out throughout the game and year.
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I love it! The same poster who lectures the board constantly whenever they complain about bad officiating against Marquette is instead complaining about the officiating on behalf of Seton Hall!
This guy is such a fraud he should be banned to his own message board where he can make his 100 posts a day while living in his own echo chamber of absurdity!
God this is fun!
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Over-under on how many times FBM repeats this. Even if the shooting foul was questionable, the arm grab was not. One way or another, Aiken fouled GE.
YES, this is the correct answer. Aiken clearly grabbed GE's arm a second before the 2 point attempt.
It's like going 90 mph then bitching when the cop pulls you over doing 71.
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Fred
Ask Fluff if that was a good call or not. He is resident expert on all scoop tpics.
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A lot of thoughts that I’ll share later but only one that matters.
Huge win, big makeup for the CU home debacle.
Gotta have those at home if you want to dance.
Metrics matta, but wins still King
Modified for this.
Who cares about the ending. MU clearly got the benefit of the doubt but there will be games where they don’t.
Marquette wins, that’s what matters
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I agree the refs were all over the place. What always confuses me is saying "college refs." People saying this - do you also follow the NBA closely? Go on Twitter or any NBA forum - the conversation is dominated by how badly the refs performed. If you attend a High School game - conversation in the stands is usually about how poorly the refs perform. And so on.
The modern game appears to be impossible to call with accuracy and the best we can hope for is that calls even out throughout the game and year.
NBA refs are 1,000% better than college refs. Maybe 10-15 years ago that wasn’t the case but NBA reffing is WAY better than it used to be.
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Aiken went into Greg’s shooting space - Greg looked awkward initiating contact, but he was fouled (twice).
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Aiken went into Greg’s shooting space - Greg looked awkward initiating contact, but he was fouled (twice).
No he wasn’t. He jumped forward into Aiken which isn’t a foul.
It’s OK to acknowledge that MU got the benefit of a bad call.
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This might be the ninth time I have said he was fouled on the arm.
Actually twice when I posted and only because you got called out by other posters. Just keep making things up.
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Aiken went into Greg’s shooting space - Greg looked awkward initiating contact, but he was fouled (twice).
As your resident target for ref bitching.
Greg was absolutely not fouled on the shot attempt.
Grabbed before? Yes. As SHU fans said themselves does AIken draw the same nonsense calls? Also yes.
But that was definitely not a shooting foul
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Fluff I agree with you,but do you believe every time we went inside and got blocked and fell to the floor we weren't fouled? I mean at least once there center fouled us?
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Actually twice when I posted and only because you got called out by other posters. Just keep making things up.
I acknowledged it multiple times in this thread and the game thread. Was I entirely accurate when I said “ninth?” No and I don’t care.
But saying I “constantly ignored” something I didn’t actually ignore is entirely false.
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Fluff I agree with you,but do you believe every time we went inside and got blocked and fell to the floor we weren't fouled? I mean at least once there center fouled us?
Every time? Of course not.
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Bad reffing all game
What do you expect when you have that Ahole Breeding on a whistle. Nice to see him embarrass himself on that last inbounds play. He is consistently pathetic at what he does.
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I acknowledged it multiple times in this thread and the game thread. Was I entirely accurate when I said “ninth?” No and I don’t care.
But saying I “constantly ignored” something I didn’t actually ignore is entirely false.
What you're doing is telling half the story to claim seton hall was robbed. They weren't, if there's a no call from Greg and hall hits a beater we're the ones who are robbed due to a no call. The bottom line is in that whole play we deserved to be at the line one way or another, they called it wrong but seton hall was not robbed.
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Whiny Willard strikes again. Really dislike that man. Complains constantly and always seems to avoid a Tech despite his untethered rage.
Aiken telling courtside fans to "Shut the F#$% Up" was very classy and showed great maturity. Not.
That’s great—missed that.
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What you're doing is telling half the story to claim seton hall was robbed. They weren't, if there's a no call from Greg and hall hits a beater we're the ones who are robbed due to a no call. The bottom line is in that whole play we deserved to be at the line one way or another, they called it wrong but seton hall was not robbed.
They were screwed. Not robbed. Please keep up.
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I will repeat it as much as I want. Scoopers are the most homer bunch I have ever seen about refs. Complete lack of understanding.
SHU was screwed.
BS. It goes both ways. We were called Gor the same kind of foul. Whose team are you on?
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As your resident target for ref bitching.
Greg was absolutely not fouled on the shot attempt.
Grabbed before? Yes. As SHU fans said themselves does AIken draw the same nonsense calls? Also yes.
But that was definitely not a shooting foul
Aiken reached with his right hand and made contact. Greg makes it look awkward but Aiken reached in.
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Not really but OK.
Can recall Kolek and Morsell getting the same thing called on them. Maybe not 5 but at least 2.
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They were screwed. Not robbed. Please keep up.
I wish I had that goalpost shifting gif. You know your arguments a joke so you fixate on a small insignificant detail on a post.
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Not really but OK.
It was a bad call at the end but it doesn’t really matter. MU was shooting 1 and 1 if the right call was made. Refs were terrible all day including many calls against MU. MU benefitted at the right time but the benefit was minimal. Shooting free throws for the win regardless.
Wasn’t a shooting foul. Result likely the same and the refs were altering the game all day.
Edit: it’s okay for people to admit the shooting foul was the wrong call. It is also okay to admit that the refs were bad today and the result is likely the same if the last play was called correctly.
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Willard had the right to be pissed. Terrible call on that last shot.
SHU has relinquished ability to complain about that based on calls from this game alone. Let alone our priors against them.
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4. We'll see more of that. Also, TK is not the same player vs. zone defenses.
6. It's not you. And it absolutely has to improve.
9. Breeding.
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It was a bad call at the end but it doesn’t really matter. MU was shooting 1 and 1 if the right call was made. Refs were terrible all day including many calls against MU. MU benefitted at the right time but the benefit was minimal. Shooting free throws for the win regardless.
That call may or may not have been a foul, but Stevie Mitchell getting rolled over was a worse call. They even out I Guess. I still do not see why the defender fouls all the time when the O player jumps right into the defender. Makes no sense, happens every game
Wasn’t a shooting foul. Result likely the same and the refs were altering the game all day.
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I agree the refs were all over the place. What always confuses me is saying "college refs." People saying this - do you also follow the NBA closely? Go on Twitter or any NBA forum - the conversation is dominated by how badly the refs performed. If you attend a High School game - conversation in the stands is usually about how poorly the refs perform. And so on.
The modern game appears to be impossible to call with accuracy and the best we can hope for is that calls even out throughout the game and year.
One clear solution. Robo-refs.
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No he wasn’t. He jumped forward into Aiken which isn’t a foul.
It’s OK to acknowledge that MU got the benefit of a bad call.
Is it OK for you to acknowledge that Seton Hall got the benefit of a bad call on the missed hand grab?
Where you lose credibility is harping on something while ignoring the other part.
Yes, you have acknowledged the “hand grab” about ten times. But, that doesn’t deter you from focusing on SH getting screwed and not Marquette getting screwed. You simply want to focus on your agenda because that’s the hill you’ve chosen to die on. And like all the other hills over the years, you’ll conveniently ignore facts or minimize them while solely defending the flag you planted. You may have acknowledged it 10 times, but you didn’t include it in your initial comment on this thread. That makes your statement intellectually dishonest and misleading.
It’s a shame really, because you lose so much credibility that people start to ignore your content.
You could easily have said in this thread at the beginning,
“That last play was a disaster. Aiken got away with a grab and then Elliot got bailed out with a bad call.”
But that wouldn’t be consistent with being reasonable about your position, would it?
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MUCam
Fluff with credibility on basketball? That made my day. Actually, the victory and winning my bet made my day, but thanks for the laugh.
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It’s nice to argue about the semantics of a foul again instead of calling for a coaches head
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Is it OK for you to acknowledge that Seton Hall got the benefit of a bad call on the missed hand grab?
Where you lose credibility is harping on something while ignoring the other part.
Yes, you have acknowledged the “hand grab” about ten times. But, that doesn’t deter you from focusing on SH getting screwed and not Marquette getting screwed. You simply want to focus on your agenda because that’s the hill you’ve chosen to die on. And like all the other hills over the years, you’ll conveniently ignore facts or minimize them while solely defending the flag you planted. You may have acknowledged it 10 times, but you didn’t include it in your initial comment on this thread. That makes your statement intellectually dishonest and misleading.
It’s a shame really, because you lose so much credibility that people start to ignore your content.
You could easily have said in this thread at the beginning,
“That last play was a disaster. Aiken got away with a grab and then Elliot got bailed out with a bad call.”
But that wouldn’t be consistent with being reasonable about your position, would it?
SHU got screwed at the end. Pretty obviously. If pointing that out makes me lose credibility then 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
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Let’s also not forget SH essentially got a redo on the final inbounds play. Don’t think I’ve seen a redo before.
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I don’t think 1-1 guaranteed victory. Greg missed the first of his 3 FTs. I’m sure mentally it’s different shooting 2 rather than a 1-1.
I’m not going to complain. We’ve had our share of bad calls against us. And our share of bad calls for us. Glad this one went our way.
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SHU has relinquished ability to complain about that based on calls from this game alone. Let alone our priors against them.
There weren’t any priors against them. Yet more Scoop myth.
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Let’s also not forget SH essentially got a redo on the final inbounds play. Don’t think I’ve seen a redo before.
Eh, it was pretty clear that Breeding told the SH player could run the baseline on the inbounds.
Which, is bad reffing in and of itself, but I get the do over.
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SHU got screwed at the end. Pretty obviously. If pointing that out makes me lose credibility then 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Did they get screwed when the refs called a foul on Morsell for doing the same thing Aiken did a couple minutes before ?
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Eh, it was pretty clear that Breeding told the SH player could run the baseline on the inbounds.
Yes. The refs screwed that up.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzT3yV1uQ6Y
This is what Shaka thinks
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Guys, guys, guys
Fluff has cleared up the last foul, and basically all calls, and it is time to move on. I am not sure why all of you are not thanking Fluff for the lesson and be thankful they won a game that they stole from SH.
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Did they get screwed when the refs called a foul on Morsell for doing the same thing Aiken did a couple minutes before ?
It wasn’t the same thing. Mosells foul was soft. Aiken’s wasn’t a foul.
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There weren’t any priors against them. Yet more Scoop myth.
Theo remembers
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It was a nice change of pace to not have Myles Cale torch Marquette for once.
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I don’t think 1-1 guaranteed victory. Greg missed the first of his 3 FTs. I’m sure mentally it’s different shooting 2 rather than a 1-1.
I’m not going to complain. We’ve had our share of bad calls against us. And our share of bad calls for us. Glad this one went our way.
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Greg shot 2 FT
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Eh, it was pretty clear that Breeding told the SH player could run the baseline on the inbounds.
Which, is bad reffing in and of itself, but I get the do over.
He definitely did.
I just didn't know the ref could waive off a call because of bad advice though.
Seems like a very fine line.
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Theo remembers
And Pepperidge Farms
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Guys, guys, guys
Fluff has cleared up the last foul, and basically all calls, and it is time to move on. I am not sure why all of you are not thanking Fluff for the lesson and be thankful they won a game that they stole from SH.
It’s amazing how obsessed you are with me. This is the third time you have made it personal in this topic. It’s really sad you can’t be more coherent here.
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It wasn’t the same thing. Mosells foul was soft. Aiken’s wasn’t a foul.
Lol - don’t get dizzy with all this spin.
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Greg shot 2 FT
If the correct call was made, he woulda been shooting 1 and 1
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He definitely did.
I just didn't know the ref could waive off a call because of bad advice though.
Seems like a very fine line.
Of course the ref can do that.
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He definitely did.
I just didn't know the ref could waive off a call because of bad advice though.
Seems like a very fine line.
That was egregious. I was at the game - is that what happened and why it was reversed ?
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Theo remembers
YM misremembers.
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That was egregious. I was at the game - is that what happened and why it was reversed ?
Because the ref told him he could. They did the correct thing by figuring it out. Shouldn’t have got to that point, but they handled it correctly after the mistake was made.
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https://twitter.com/EricWiechman12/status/1482447259354685446?s=20
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https://twitter.com/EricWiechman12/status/1482447259354685446?s=20
Yep. Clearly a foul.
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Willard had the right to be pissed. Terrible call on that last shot.
It was Fluff but he got raked across the arm right before that and they didn’t call it. Also the shooter does need some space. It wasn’t that big of a lean in (said sheepishly).
Many calls went against MU as well. Many ticky tack fouls on MU that weren’t being called for us the other way.
Take it an move on.
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https://twitter.com/iansotolopez/status/1482435858875957248?s=20
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzT3yV1uQ6Y
This is what Shaka thinks
What is Mahqultte? The MU logo behind Shaka looks like something out of a 1980’s Atari game.
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It was Fluff but he got raked across the arm right before that and they didn’t call it. Also the shooter does need some space. It wasn’t that big of a lean in (said sheepishly).
Many calls went against MU as well. Many ticky tack fouls on MU that weren’t being called for us the other way.
Take it an move on.
Yes it was a foul on the reach. Not on the shot.
^^^^11th time I have acknowledged this.
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https://twitter.com/iansotolopez/status/1482435858875957248?s=20
Glad someone posted this…….
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401373548
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https://twitter.com/iansotolopez/status/1482435858875957248?s=20
That was more obvious of a foul than I thought.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7JkEt0jkKo
What Darryl thinks.
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Can we talk about how Darryl smiled at Cale then dropped that late game three?
Ice Cold.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CYwvqZ2u90x/?utm_medium=copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CYwvqZ2u90x/?utm_medium=copy_link) (third one)
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Jake
Morsell reminds me an old school player. He is tough and does not get rattled.
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Jake
Morsell reminds me an old school player. He is tough and does not get rattled.
I love his play. Tough as nails. His legs look a lot healthier too--seems he is back to form
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Yes it was a foul on the reach. Not on the shot.
^^^^11th time I have acknowledged this.
Fluff, did not mean to pile on. I made a comment after reading your original post and didn’t know the entire thread would be on this subject.
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Fluff, did not mean to pile on. I made a comment after reading your original post and didn’t know the entire thread would be on this subject.
It's ok he still won't acknowledge that that should've put us on the line which then means Hall was not screwed.
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It's ok he still won't acknowledge that that should've put us on the line which then means Hall was not screwed.
Yes I have.
^^^#12
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Willard had the right to be pissed. Terrible call on that last shot.
Lol. Leave it to Fluffy to come with a contrarian take. Bottom line, refs gave Aiken the exact same call on the other end..in the previous possession. He leaned forward and initiated cotsct on Darryl who had is arms straight up. Called one on Kolek like that too.
That aside Aiken clearly grabbed Greg’s right hand before the shot. Not sure why Fluffy wants to piss in cornflakes over a call that was consistent with the way the game was called.
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Tyler and Omax seem like the type of guys that, at least this season, will have much better games versus the bottom half of BE competition than the top half.
One is way ahead mentally, but physically a step slow.
The other is fine physically, but higher level BE game is moving just one step too slow for him.
They will both be better next year versus higher competition
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Bottom line, refs gave Aiken the exact same call on the other end..in the previous possession. He leaned forward and initiated cotsct on Darryl who had is arms straight up. Called one on Kolek like that too.
Nope - It was a soft foul according to fluffy. LOL !
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Yes I have.
^^^#12
I have only seen you acknowledge that there was a foul and still claim seton hall was screwed by then focusing in on the poor shooting foul. So unless you've changed your tune I'm still in the camp of you being intellectually dishonest about the final play
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Lol. Leave it to Fluffy to come with a contrarian take. Bottom line, refs gave Aiken the exact same call on the other end..in the previous possession. He leaned forward and initiated cotsct on Darryl who had is arms straight up. Called one on Kolek like that too.
That aside Aiken clearly grabbed Greg’s right hand before the shot. Not sure why Fluffy wants to piss in cornflakes over a call that was consistent with the way the game was called.
Because 90% of his existence on this board is to be the contrarian.
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Nope - It was a soft foul according to fluffy. LOL !
Gotta consider the source. He rarely makes good points.
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Gotta consider the source. He rarely makes good points.
🤣🤣🤣
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MUCam
Fluff with credibility on basketball? That made my day. Actually, the victory and winning my bet made my day, but thanks for the laugh.
I think you are wrong, Goose. And yes, he is being classic Fluff with his argument here. I have probably had as many disagreements with him as anybody, but he's no dummy when it comes to basketball.
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Everybody should turn on ESPN 2 and watch Porter,so we can see a real coach!! Right no longer?
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That wasn’t a foul either.
It was was, pushed on the back, see the replay.
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Willard had the right to be pissed. Terrible call on that last shot.
He was fouled prior to the shot, was being grabbed, no call...
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What you mean? Fluffy is 172-0 in muscoop basketball debates (in his mind).
Gotta consider the source. He rarely makes good points.
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It is the official position of MUScoop that GE was fouled on his last possession and SHU was not screwed, robbed, nor hosed.
Anyone who disagrees can sit there in their wrongness for the rest of eternity.
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It is the official position of MUScoop that GE was fouled on his last possession and SHU was not screwed, robbed, nor hosed.
Anyone who disagrees can sit there in their wrongness for the rest of eternity.
Lock it up.
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Got home and watching the game on tv now. Breeding checking to see if Greg’s three was in fact a three when he was over a foot behind the line. GTFO. What game is he watching????
Rage increasing again.
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Got home and watching the game on tv now. Breeding checking to see if Greg’s three was in fact a three when he was over a foot behind the line. GTFO. What game is he watching????
Rage increasing again.
That might have been the quickest replay ever. I was shocked when they showed it on the board.
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It was was, pushed on the back, see the replay.
I did. It wasn’t a foul.
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Mostly because I am making a point for emphasis.
Seriously the refs never screwed MU over. And the “foul” on Elliott wasn’t a foul.
Pedant.
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It wasn’t the same thing. Mosells foul was soft. Aiken’s wasn’t a foul.
No. Morsell did not commit a foul on that play. There was space between the two players and Aiken went up into Morsells chin, just like Greg did to Aiken.
Both were terrible calls. On both plays a foul was probably committed earlier on in the possession.
Edit: saw your earlier replies. Clearly you disagree. No reason to argue it further.
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He was fouled prior to the shot, was being grabbed, no call...
Agreed...for the 13th time.
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Lol. Leave it to Fluffy to come with a contrarian take. Bottom line, refs gave Aiken the exact same call on the other end..in the previous possession. He leaned forward and initiated cotsct on Darryl who had is arms straight up. Called one on Kolek like that too.
That aside Aiken clearly grabbed Greg’s right hand before the shot. Not sure why Fluffy wants to piss in cornflakes over a call that was consistent with the way the game was called.
Because it wasn't remotely the same. The call on Morsell was a ticky-tack foul. The call on Elliott was not a foul at all. Elliott just didn't lean into the contact, he jumped forward and initiated the contact.
Not sure how acknowledging that is "pissing in cornflakes." One would think that since Scoop feels it has been wronged by refs for years, that it would be happy to finally see MU getting the benefit of a ref's call.
But I guess not.
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I have only seen you acknowledge that there was a foul and still claim seton hall was screwed by then focusing in on the poor shooting foul. So unless you've changed your tune I'm still in the camp of you being intellectually dishonest about the final play
OK, I have no idea what you think I am being dishonest about. And to be honest I don't really care.
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Where Aiken was when Greg started his shooting motion vs. where he was at contact. He moves into Greg by a good 3 feet.
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I did. It wasn’t a foul.
So the guy pushing him from behind while he was on the air didn't foul him? So the rule now is that is not a foul? Ok got it....
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Where Aiken was when Greg started his shooting motion vs. where he was at contact. He moves into Greg by a good 3 feet.
There was no contact until Greg jumped forward. That's probably the reason you aren't showing a video.
The Big East doesn't even show it in their highlight package cause they know its BS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgn5jMNGZbc
Neither does MU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLIrXHyMT2E
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Tie game with the ball, Shaka went 4 guard.
Up one, 1.5 seconds left, he went big.
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But you can go to 8:15 here. Watch the replay. Not even close to a foul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=588xnJ7IQN4
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There was no contact until Greg jumped forward. That's probably the reason you aren't showing a video.
The Big East doesn't even show it in their highlight package cause they know its BS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgn5jMNGZbc
Neither does MU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLIrXHyMT2E
The second image is literally where contact is made.
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The second image is literally where contact is made.
Just watched the replay again. It literally is not.
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But you can go to 8:15 here. Watch the replay. Not even close to a foul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=588xnJ7IQN4
We get it. There was a foul during the play. Just not the one called. It doesn't matter. We would have shot ft regardless.
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We get it. There was a foul during the play. Just not the one called. It doesn't matter. We would have shot ft regardless.
Well it most definitely could have mattered. But I guess if that helps you justify it, that's fine by me.
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How about them Golden Eagles? Holding serve at home against a likely tournament team despite a second half slog and Kolek’s worst game in quite some time. Big boy win
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Just watched the replay again. It literally is not.
So after that screenshot Greg brought the ball back down and then went into his shooting motion?
Lol.
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Where Aiken was when Greg started his shooting motion vs. where he was at contact. He moves into Greg by a good 3 feet.
I don’t know. Greg’s right foot is now on the line when it wasn’t in the first picture.
At the game, I thought they were reviewing a potential flagrant due to Greg’s elbow.
Also, is clear path foul a thing in college? That’s what they said Kuath’s intentional was.
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I don’t know. Greg’s right foot is now on the line when it wasn’t in the first picture.
At the game, I thought they were reviewing a potential flagrant due to Greg’s elbow.
Also, is clear path foul a thing in college? That’s what they said Kuath’s intentional was.
Sure. Greg moved about 5 inches forward. Just like almost every shooter moves on a normal shot attempt. Aiken moved forward about 3 feet. Aiken moved into Greg’s space, not the other way around. Here’s another screenshot after Aiken’s head snapped back (see: clearly after contact has been made). Aiken still is the one who moved multiple feet into Greg from the time he started his shot motion. (And after a clear grab of Greg’s wrist earlier in the play.)
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Sure. Greg moved about 5 inches forward. Just like almost every shooter moves on a normal shot attempt. Aiken moved forward about 3 feet. Aiken moved into Greg’s space, not the other way around. Here’s another screenshot after Aiken’s head snapped back (see: clearly after contact has been made). Aiken still is the one who moved multiple feet into Greg from the time he started his shot motion. (And after a clear grab of Greg’s wrist earlier in the play.)
Come on. He didn’t move forward like a normal shooter. He jumped into him initiating contact. As I said, watch the replay. Very obvious.
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Well it most definitely could have mattered. But I guess if that helps you justify it, that's fine by me.
Could have but didn't. Same outcome. Just drop it already.
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Come on. He didn’t move forward like a normal shooter. He jumped into him initiating contact. As I said, watch the replay. Very obvious.
One player is within 6 inches of where he was at the start of the shooting motion. The other is a good 3 feet forward. It’s pretty clear to see.
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Could have but didn't. Same outcome. Just drop it already.
We don’t know that the outcome would have been the same.
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In the long and storied history of painful thread scoop threads, this one has zoomed to the top. No small feat. Congrats!
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One player is within 6 inches of where he was at the start of the shooting motion. The other is a good 3 feet forward. It’s pretty clear to see.
Elliott moved well more than six inches.
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We don’t know that the outcome would have been the same.
What if the fish didn't even come to the shore and walk?
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What if the fish didn't even come to the shore and walk?
Hey I’m not the one making the assumption that everything would have been the same.
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The refs in general were not very good today. There are always arguments on what should or should not have been called a foul. At the end of the day, you want consistency. The foul call on Elliott was an iffy call. I could see it being called a foul or no call.
But....
1. The refs called that call a few times in the game against MU so from that perspective, it was a foul.
2. Elliott was raked on the arm just a half a second earlier and that call was missed, so make-up call?
3. Aiken jabbed into Elliott with his foot and lower body into Elliott so I think it is an actual foul.
4. I am an MU fan and a borderline call went our way so AWESOME!
5. Numerous calls went against us so the borderline call probably evened out the bad calls against us.
6. I can't believe the bigger issue is not the refs screwing up that in-bounds play. That was a travel.
7. Refs should of also given whiny Kevin Willard a technical and the game should of been iced.
All that matters is that my favorite team won the game. I don't give sh!t about some random poster who supposedly is an MU fan yet is making a ton of posts on a call that won us the game.
Great to see Morsell's game back to what it was earlier in the year. We need him.
Kam Jones' stretch early in the game with 2 threes and a couple of assists in short order was huge.
Like Shaka said, you have to go grab that ball. Too many times that ball slips through our hands.
Rematch in 11 days. I want Willard to blow a gasket the next time we play them.
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Hey I’m not the one making the assumption that everything would have been the same.
90% ft shooter. 100% at home. The odds are nothing would have changed. You're being a pedant at this point and it's a dumb hill to die on.
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90% ft shooter. 100% at home. The odds are nothing would have changed. You're being a pedant at this point and it's a dumb hill to die on.
I like my hill. It’s cute and has a family of gophers who I enjoy watching as they frolic about.
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Maybe if Seton Hall didn't commit grade school level turnovers they could have taken it out of the refs hands.
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++ Can't remember which game it was but late in the non-con season I believe, I went out of my way to say it was one of the better officiated games I had seen in quite some time. Well, today was one of the worst officiated games I have seen in quite some time.
++ The refs embarrassed themselves out there. Called a bunch of garbage fouls on both teams, let go a bunch of hard fouls on both teams, didn't know the effen rules, and somehow managed to miss two calls in the last 3 seconds -- Aiken's grab of Elliott, which should have been an easy call that resulted in a 1-and-1, and the horrendous call on Aiken when Elliott moved forward and elbowed Aiken in the face.
++ The no-call on Yetna when he slammed into Lewis really hurt ... and I'm not just talking about JL's pain. We don't get 2 FTs there and then they go back the other way and score -- essentially a 4-point play -- and it's 70-67 SH.
++ Those denying that very last call was bad ... please try for a second to imagine how you'd feel if it was Aiken who had the ball, Elliott who was on D, and the exact same thing had happened -- not something "similar," but that exact same thing. We might have had to create a new fan board, because Scoop woulda imploded. And we woulda felt no better about it if Elliott had gotten away with an arm-tug a second or two earlier.
++ Having said all that ... eff effen Seton Hall. I'm still effen pissed that the douchenozzle Myles Powell got away with a flagrant that was so bad he thought he was ejected but the refs didn't have the onions to boot him. So eff The Hall. Maybe make a few more layups and free throws and you don't lose on a controversial call at the end, you whinin' pieces of poo-poo.
++ And now ... Marquette ...
++ Gutty win. We couldn't have been much worse offensively for most of the second half but showed a lot of guts hanging in there after SH went up 5, battling back, taking the lead, and holding on.
++ The last 2 games, Morsell has looked like the guy who averaged 21 the first four games. Whatever his injury was, here's hoping it's officially a thing of the past. He has been much more assertive, taking big shots, playing tough D and being a leader. We needed every bit of it today.
++ Great play call and execution on Greg's tying 3. SH had done a good job whenever he was on the floor of not letting him loose, so he only had 2 attempts all game. But that was some really nice screening and passing, and Greg swished it. Shaka obviously is confident enough in one of college basketball's best 3-point shooters to call Greg's number in such an enormous moment.
++ I agree with some Scoopers who thought Kolek looked a little tired or something. Unusual because he's been kinda the Energizer Bunny for us. Equally unusual: Shaka pulling TK early in the second half. Maybe Tyler had a cold or was run down for some reason.
++ One thing for sure is that if TK wants to be more than just a passing threat, in addition to obviously needing to shoot better from 3-point range he needs to develop some kind of float game and/or stop-and-pop game. If that were part of his game, as it is for most top-level PGs, he could have had 15+ points today.
++ Second straight rough game for O-Max, and this time it wasn't because of fouls. He's a work in progress; he'll have good games and bad games. Fortunately, we can go to Kam, who was blazing from 3 again, but that hurts our rebounding even more.
++ Rebounding ... arrrrrgh!!! We don't box out well, we don't "team rebound," and we rarely even contend for offensive boards.
++ Thankfully, one important play was an offensive rebound Lewis got while flat on his back; he then passed to Kuath for a big bucket -- we had gone down 55-50 before that hoop and were really struggling.
++ Lewis had a nice all-around game: 18 pts, 5 rebs, 3 ast, 3 stl. Hit a big leaner in the lane with 42 seconds left to put us up 2. He even made a couple of 3s, but I still have to believe that most opponents are relieved when he fires one from deep.
++ This would have been a heartbreaking loss to start this brutally tough 7-game stretch, so I love it that our guys found a way to fight through adversity for the W. Congrats to Shaka and the team.
++ Oh yeah ... Eff Seton Hall!!!
We Are Marquette!
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Elliott moved well more than six inches.
Where Greg took off from and where he landed.
Fine, 6.75 inches.
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Willard had the right to be pissed. Terrible call on that last shot.
https://twitter.com/iansotolopez/status/1482443584267825157?t=QQG8drcjTz5ZZdTcTnDUyw&s=19
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This was HS level refereeing. I normally don't blame refs, but they were terrible.
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Also, is clear path foul a thing in college? That’s what they said Kuath’s intentional was.
It is not.
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We don’t know that the outcome would have been the same.
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https://twitter.com/iansotolopez/status/1482443584267825157?t=QQG8drcjTz5ZZdTcTnDUyw&s=19
Soft call. Was a foul.
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Soft call. Was a foul.
Morsell played great d. Didn’t dive in at all.
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Morsell played great d. Didn’t dive in at all.
He moved into him. Soft call considering what was being called, but it was a foul.
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Look who is butt hurt.
https://twitter.com/Mamukelashvili5/status/1482429275395530755
Dude needs more respect for the hometown team.
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They were screwed. Not robbed. Please keep up.
Since I am not smart enough to care about the difference between "screwed" and "robbed" for a play admittedly resulting in a foul, I am just going to enjoy the toughness this team showed in getting the victory. Still worried about the rebounding, but everything else seems to be coming together nicely.
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He moved into him. Soft call considering what was being called, but it was a foul.
Morsell’s step before the foul called was away from Aiken 🤡🤡🤡🤡
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Morsell’s step before the foul called was away from Aiken 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Sorry but your interpretation of that is worse tha BLM’s photos.
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Look who is butt hurt.
https://twitter.com/Mamukelashvili5/status/1482429275395530755
Dude needs more respect for the hometown team.
They really are just an unlikeable bunch.
Speaking of, how is Myles Powell’s NBA career going? Still can’t find the court even with covid cases popping up every day.
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++ Those denying that very last call was bad ... please try for a second to imagine how you'd feel if it was Aiken who had the ball, Elliott who was on D, and the exact same thing had happened -- not something "similar," but that exact same thing. We might have had to create a new fan board, because Scoop woulda imploded. And we woulda felt no better about it if Elliott had gotten away with an arm-tug a second or two earlier.
Agree with most of what you wrote. Disagree here. I would have been critical of Elliott if he was the defender too. You cannot bite on the pump fake there as a defender.
Aiken bit on the pump fake and entered the shooters cylinder (almost stepped on Elliott's foot). He did not give him room to either take off or land. The shooter is allowed to pivot, move his foot to get clear of the defender who entered his space. It was a foul, sometimes a no call but a foul.
Aiken (or if it had been reversed...Elliott) should never have bit on the fake, and stayed put with hands up. The defender screwed up. Elliott made a smart play.
I actually think the overhead replay makes it most clear that Aiken bit on the fake and came into Elliott as shown in BLM's pictures.
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Look who is butt hurt.
https://twitter.com/Mamukelashvili5/status/1482429275395530755
Dude needs more respect for the hometown team.
I’ve heard he goes to almost all the games and I think it was reported here that he has said he cheers for Marquette except when SHU is playing them.
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Sorry but your interpretation of that is worse tha BLM’s photos.
Save some face buddy - take the L.
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MU 82 you wrote....++ I agree with some Scoopers who thought Kolek looked a little tired or something. Unusual because he's been kinda the Energizer Bunny for us. Equally unusual: Shaka pulling TK early in the second half. Maybe Tyler had a cold or was run down for some reason.
I listened to Shaka's postgame press conference, he said he pulled TK because he was really letting all of those misses get to him and was impacting his play, so Shaka pulled him b/c his intensity was off
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Save some face buddy - take the L.
Sorry I am frustrating you. But it was a good calll.
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Agree with most of what you wrote. Disagree here. I would have been critical of Elliott if he was the defender too. You cannot bite on the pump fake there as a defender.
Aiken bit on the pump fake and entered the shooters cylinder (almost stepped on Elliott's foot). He did not give him room to either take off or land. The shooter is allowed to pivot, move his foot to get clear of the defender who entered his space. It was a foul, sometimes a no call but a foul.
Aiken (or if it had been reversed...Elliott) should never have bit on the fake, and stayed put with hands up. The defender screwed up. Elliott made a smart play.
I actually think the overhead replay makes it most clear that Aiken bit on the fake and came into Elliott as shown in BLM's pictures.
There wasn’t a “cylinder.” Elliott jumped forward and initiated the contact.
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Sorry I am frustrating you. But it was a good calll.
Lol - two extremely similar plays. Both called fouls. In your words, one is soft and one is a no call.
One defender dives into the shooter and the other defender plays straight up defense.
You think Aiken resting and jumping into a shooter is more a foul than Morsell getting jumped into?
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
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Lol - two extremely similar plays. Both called fouls. In your words, one is soft and one is a no call.
One defender dives into the shooter and the other defender plays straight up defense.
You think Aiken resting and jumping into a shooter is more a foul than Morsell getting jumped into?
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You probably should take a nap. You are clearly frustrated.
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There wasn’t a “cylinder.” Elliott jumped forward and initiated the contact.
On the pump fake, Aiken absolutely jumped forward. Then Elliot attempted to actually shoot and jumped forward into Aiken.
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On the pump fake, Aiken absolutely jumped forward. Then Elliot attempted to actually shoot and jumped forward into Aiken.
Exactly.
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You probably should take a nap. You are clearly frustrated.
Sometimes being a contrarian doesn’t make you the smartest guy in the room. In this case it just makes you wrong.
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panda
There are a lot of smart and clever guys on here and I really appreciate their input.
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You probably should take a nap. You are clearly frustrated.
You’re really still here 5 hours later arguing about the same thing with multiple people? Just let it die.
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Vander
Fluff is not arguing, he is teaching.
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You’re really still here 5 hours later arguing about the same thing with multiple people? Just let it die.
Yes I am.
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Sometimes being a contrarian doesn’t make you the smartest guy in the room. In this case it just makes you wrong.
Sorry you have a need to lash out like this.
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Sorry you have a need to lash out like this.
I need to hire a Marquette manager to start counting all of your deflections.
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I need to hire a Marquette manager to start counting all of your deflections.
I have been consistent from the beginning. Sorry you can’t see that.
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As your resident target for ref bitching.
Greg was absolutely not fouled on the shot attempt.
Grabbed before? Yes. As SHU fans said themselves does AIken draw the same nonsense calls? Also yes.
But that was definitely not a shooting foul
Let’s use this game as a benchmark for poor officiating moving forward..
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Agree with most of what you wrote. Disagree here. I would have been critical of Elliott if he was the defender too. You cannot bite on the pump fake there as a defender.
Aiken bit on the pump fake and entered the shooters cylinder (almost stepped on Elliott's foot). He did not give him room to either take off or land. The shooter is allowed to pivot, move his foot to get clear of the defender who entered his space. It was a foul, sometimes a no call but a foul.
Aiken (or if it had been reversed...Elliott) should never have bit on the fake, and stayed put with hands up. The defender screwed up. Elliott made a smart play.
I actually think the overhead replay makes it most clear that Aiken bit on the fake and came into Elliott as shown in BLM's pictures.
We'll agree to disagree on this. Have a good one.
We Are Marquette!
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Morsell brings a physical toughness that we haven’t seen since the days of Buzz.
Oh, and Aiken absolutely fouled Greg.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z29nSqifFx4
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Gotta luv da infightin', hey?
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I have been consistent from the beginning. Sorry you can’t see that.
You've been wrong from the beginning. Sorry you can't see that. What you can't see is how the game was being called. The offensive player got that call all game long.
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I loved the defensive gameplan today. Seton Hall is similar to us in the sense that they like to attack early in the shot clock. I was wondering if we would be able to force our will on them and push them deep into possessions or if they would break our pressure. We threw multiple looks at them and gave them a lot trouble just bringing the ball up and they often weren't starting any action until half the shot clock was gone. They devolved into hero ball and to their credit, they had a hero step up, but they also only had 6 assists to 19 turnovers...I don't think much of assist to turnover ratio as a stat, but it demonstrates the lack of good offense and amount of bad offense that our defense was able to generate.
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I loved the defensive gameplan today. Seton Hall is similar to us in the sense that they like to attack early in the shot clock. I was wondering if we would be able to force our will on them and push them deep into possessions or if they would break our pressure. We threw multiple looks at them and gave them a lot trouble just bringing the ball up and they often weren't starting any action until half the shot clock was gone. They devolved into hero ball and to their credit, they had a hero step up, but they also only had 6 assists to 19 turnovers...I don't think much of assist to turnover ratio as a stat, but it demonstrates the lack of good offense and amount of bad offense that our defense was able to generate.
Refreshing. A solid take on the game as a whole rather than one play.
Agreed, Marquette played very solid defense and had a good gameplan.
Bryce channeled his inner Markus but you really can’t do much there.
I actually think SH played very good defense too, but Marquette just shot substantially better than usual from 3 and that was the difference at the end of the day. 11/22 is nice.
Overall a pretty enjoyable game.
The lights out 1H both ways, you knew a shift to the mean was coming in the 2H and it would get ugly, and that the winner would have to scrap it out.
Darryl Morsell’s grit was grittier than theirs. Justin and Greg showed some clutch stones late as well.
Nice home win of the type that you need if you want to dance.
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I have been consistent from the beginning. Sorry you can’t see that.
Consistent in saying that you think Greg should have been shooting the 1 and 1 with 2.5 seconds left instead of 2 with 1.7 seconds left and that this amounts to Seton Hall “getting screwed”. LOL - could anything be more Chicosesque?
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You've been wrong from the beginning. Sorry you can't see that. What you can't see is how the game was being called. The offensive player got that call all game long.
I saw how the game was being called. The end was a terrible call.
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I saw how the game was being called. The end was a terrible call.
I think people are missing this point. It was a bad call in a game of bad calls. Defending a bad call because of other bad calls doesn’t make it right.
Seems like a lot of arguing over something we all agree on, it was a bad call after a bad missed call in a game full of bad calls
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No, there are people here who think that the shooting foul on Elliott was indeed a foul. They are wrong.
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No, there are people here who think that the shooting foul on Elliott was indeed a foul. They are wrong.
Who cares? Marquette won.
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Who cares? Marquette won.
Agreed! Some people I guess just want their victory to be "pure," and can't admit their victory was the result of a bad call.
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Agreed! Some people I guess just want their victory to be "pure," and can't admit their victory was the result of a bad call.
Ok, let’s put this to bed once and for all.
YES, the call at the end of the game was a bad call. We should all be able to agree to that. But, A basketball game is 40 mins, not 1.7 seconds. The victory was a result of:
- MU forcing 20 turnovers
- MU limiting them to 6 assists and 41% shooting
- MU shooting 50% from beyond the arc
-MU producing 19 assists on 25 made baskets
- SH only shooting 69% from the free throw line
- ps: they missed an arm grab 2 seconds prior to the bad call
Every coach in America would tell you that “their” team should have never put the game in the refs hands. Seton Hall had 2,398.3 seconds to win the game and they couldn’t do it. Refs make a bad call, MU wins we’re all happy.
Let’s stop ALL ADDITIONAL conversation about 1 call and look at how MU performed through out the rest of the game.
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- ps: they missed an arm grab 2 seconds prior to the bad call
I know
^^^^16th time acknowledging this.
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Sorry but your interpretation of that is worse tha BLM’s photos.
“I’m being provided proof that Aiken was the one who moved into Greg, but I can’t admit I’m wrong so I’ll just claim the photos of what actually happened are wrong.”
Hilarious.
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“I’m being provided proof that Aiken was the one who moved into Greg, but I can’t admit I’m wrong so I’ll just claim the photos of what actually happened are wrong.”
Hilarious.
Photos don’t tell the story. I have provided links to videos that tell the complete story both in real action and replays. It’s a bad call that looks worse each time I see it.
Checkmate.
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Do you guys get paid if the other guy admits their wrong?
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Do you guys get paid if the other guy admits their wrong?
Topper told me that I can get half of January's Scoop proceeds!
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People always tend to focus on what is called in the decisive final seconds or minutes. If you are a fan of basketball generally, you have to accept that there are a ton of calls over the course of the game that are incorrect, or at best could go either way. Its just the nature of the game and the reality that officiating is a manual process with high error potential. Hate the game if you want, but Seton Hall did not get "screwed" because of one call.
As for the play itself, I've seen far less called hundreds of times in plays like that. Aiken was lunging into Greg's space when he went up, which often gets called in favor of the shooter when there is contact. As many have pointed out, there is a clear reach in foul that was missed right before that anyway.
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People always tend to focus on what is called in the decisive final seconds or minutes. If you are a fan of basketball generally, you have to accept that there are a ton of calls over the course of the game that are incorrect, or at best could go either way. Its just the nature of the game and the reality that officiating is a manual process with high error potential. Hate the game if you want, but Seton Hall did not get "screwed" because of one call.
As for the play itself, I've seen far less called hundreds of times in plays like that. Aiken was lunging into Greg's space when he went up, which often gets called in favor of the shooter when there is contact. As many have pointed out, there is a clear reach in foul that was missed right before that anyway.
Agree Big Time regarding obsessing about final moments. One can pick just about any call during a game and debate it to death (ala Jay Bilas). To me, the only calls that may unquestionably influence the outcome of close games are technicals and flagrants. Your team lost by one point and your coach got T'd up , resulting in two made FTs? Your team coulda/woulda/shoulda won but didn't.
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Ok, let’s put this to bed once and for all.
Let’s stop ALL ADDITIONAL conversation about 1 call
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One play that I haven’t really seen mentioned is the long outlet pass to Lewis that he didn’t see coming. I think we were down and it was late. That one felt like it was slow motion and my heart sank. Luckily it was by our bench and he saw it at the last moment.
I’m pretty sure we scored on the play. A turnover there would have really hurt our chances.
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One play that I haven’t really seen mentioned is the long outlet pass to Lewis that he didn’t see coming. I think we were down and it was late. That one felt like it was slow motion and my heart sank. Luckily it was by our bench and he saw it at the last moment.
I’m pretty sure we scored on the play. A turnover there would have really hurt our chances.
I take credit for that one. We were seated in the section behind the MU bench and we screamed JUSTIN BALL!
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I take credit for that one. We were seated in the section behind the MU bench and we screamed JUSTIN BALL!
Runaway winner for Scoop Poster of the Game.
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It was a bad call in a game of bad calls.
You could basically track swings in the game by which directions the bad calls were going.
As an example, to close the first 1/2, there were two bad blatant missed travel calls against Aiken (both resulting in points), a bad charge call against Elliot, and a weak foul call against Jones. all in a 2.5 minute stretch, that directly led to them getting back in the game.
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I take credit for that one. We were seated in the section behind the MU bench and we screamed JUSTIN BALL!
Haha—you, me and 15K other people can take credit for that one.
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Photos don’t tell the story. I have provided links to videos that tell the complete story both in real action and replays. It’s a bad call that looks worse each time I see it.
Checkmate.
I see the same thing every time I watch it.
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One play that I haven’t really seen mentioned is the long outlet pass to Lewis that he didn’t see coming. I think we were down and it was late. That one felt like it was slow motion and my heart sank. Luckily it was by our bench and he saw it at the last moment.
I’m pretty sure we scored on the play. A turnover there would have really hurt our chances.
I think the other key play was another outlet to Justin. One where he scored.
Aiken being Aiken flopped(wasnt called of it) egregiously on his step back 3. It was one of the rare times we cleanly got the rebound. Immediately heaved it down court for the easy 2. Which I think tied the game at the time.
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I think the other key play was another outlet to Justin. One where he scored.
Aiken being Aiken flopped(wasnt called of it) egregiously on his step back 3. It was one of the rare times we cleanly got the rebound. Immediately heaved it down court for the easy 2. Which I think tied the game at the time.
Morsell got a dunk on that play.
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Morsell got a dunk on that play.
Thats right it was Daryl not Justin.
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First half was fun to watch the way both teams were going at it. It reminded me of that Buffalo game. Kam was a microwave but Morsell and Lewis were handfuls.
Second half, it's nice to see us win games with defense. The turnovers cancelled out the rebounding deficit. Can't live that way in the future, though.
As for that last foul, I am not a big fan of the way Seton Hall is coached to step in and under. I think...it's borderline dirty. That said, when Greg was racked across the arm you are taught to go up like that to get a call. He did it earlier in the game.
If that crew didn't call a foul there (reach or shooting), I doubt they get out of FF uninjured after making that call all game (right or wrongly). The NCAA needs to clean those calls up as it's too inconsistently called. In fact, Greg was called wrongly for a step in foul at the end of the half that was sold in. Taste of your own medicine I guess is very sour. I love we out toughed Willard's whiny bunch. Sick of the East Coast privilege.