MUScoop
MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: LoudMouth on March 08, 2018, 08:34:29 PM
-
I have to say, that was a really ugly loss and a lot of people are angry. The board quickly turned against one another and stupid arguments came from that. I think we all came to the conclusion that it was a tough loss but losses happen.
I think we have to thank guru for offering up such moronic comments to bring us all together and have something to agree on. Mr Muguru, you are an embarrassment to Marquette fans
-
+100
-
nm
-
Makes me wish that poster from other beast boards don't venture over here. We're not all like this
-
I have to say, that was a really ugly loss and a lot of people are angry. The board quickly turned against one another and stupid arguments came from that. I think we all came to the conclusion that it was a tough loss but losses happen.
I think we have to thank guru for offering up such moronic comments to bring us all together and have something to agree on. Mr Muguru, you are an embarrassment to Marquette fans
Thanks man! I just don't happen to accept mediocrity NO MATTER the circumstances. Some(most all of you here do), that's your prerogative, but it's just not how I am. Different strokes, for different folks.
-
Way to take the high road...
-
Thanks man! I just don't happen to accept mediocrity NO MATTER the circumstances. Some(most all of you here do), that's your prerogative, but it's just not how I am. Different strokes, for different folks.
There are things you can control that are in your direct sphere of influence (i.e. job performance, relationship with spouse, your golf game, things you type on Scoop, etc.), things you can't control but can be prepared to handle as well as possible (i.e. the financial markets, the weather, your kids becoming teens, parents aging, etc.), and things you have zero influence over and whose outcome doesn't impact you (i.e. sports teams - unless you are a betting man).
you've confused 'acceptance of mediocrity' with a rational realization of what actually impacts our lives.
-
There are things you can control that are in your direct sphere of influence (i.e. job performance, relationship with spouse, your golf game, things you type on Scoop, etc.), things you can't control but can be prepared to handle as well as possible (i.e. the financial markets, the weather, your kids becoming teens, parents aging, etc.), and things you have zero influence over and whose outcome doesn't impact you (i.e. sports teams - unless you are a betting man).
you've confused 'acceptance of mediocrity' with a rational realization of what actually impacts our lives.
Excellent.
-
You clearly identified Guru's problem!
-
Went and made myself dinner at a bout the 5 minute mark, was that bafoon still screaming for the zone defense or to “get the hell out of it!!”
😂😂😂
Marquettes defense suck no matter the formation
-
Makes me wish that poster from other beast boards don't venture over here. We're not all like this
Opposing fans will have fodder regardless of their view of MU. They can say we are unrealistic and think we should win every game, they can say we have low expectations because we talk more about next year than this year, they can say we're arrogant a$$holes that just yell at each other and can't get along... At the end of the day, though, no one else really cares about what we say here and we shouldn't care about the ones who do. I think you might be putting a little too much stock into a simple message board.
-
Guru
Sad part for me, I would have accepted mediocrity this season. Aside from entertaining in terms of scoring points, I think this team does not reach the mediocrity bar.
-
There are things you can control that are in your direct sphere of influence (i.e. job performance, relationship with spouse, your golf game, things you type on Scoop, etc.), things you can't control but can be prepared to handle as well as possible (i.e. the financial markets, the weather, your kids becoming teens, parents aging, etc.), and things you have zero influence over and whose outcome doesn't impact you (i.e. sports teams - unless you are a betting man).
you've confused 'acceptance of mediocrity' with a rational realization of what actually impacts our lives.
Much of what we think we control is more random than you might think.
But you are right. Marquette is a mediocre basketball team and that won't change due to our acceptance or lack thereof. Our options are a) hope it gets better or b) stop caring about it.
-
There are things you can control that are in your direct sphere of influence (i.e. job performance, relationship with spouse, your golf game, things you type on Scoop, etc.), things you can't control but can be prepared to handle as well as possible (i.e. the financial markets, the weather, your kids becoming teens, parents aging, etc.), and things you have zero influence over and whose outcome doesn't impact you (i.e. sports teams - unless you are a betting man).
you've confused 'acceptance of mediocrity' with a rational realization of what actually impacts our lives.
Different things affect people differently, everyone's lives are different. I don't think ANY of us are in a position, or should be telling anyone what type of an impact anything should make on someone else's life, especially when we know nothing about said person, wouldn't you agree?? I think that's reasonable
-
Guru
Sad part for me, I would have accepted mediocrity this season. Aside from entertaining in terms of scoring points, I think this team does not reach the mediocrity bar.
Interesting. Ranked ~50th and .500 in a tough conference. Where do you place the bar for mediocrity?
-
Sorry, but a mediocre team does not win
9 games in the Big East!
-
Guru
Sad part for me, I would have accepted mediocrity this season. Aside from entertaining in terms of scoring points, I think this team does not reach the mediocrity bar.
One thing that gets me, is no one will EVER see me rip the players or their effort...when so many do, and think that's okay(that's not okay to me)...no one calls them out on it, but my god if we rip Wojo...that's completely unacceptable! Makes no sense.
-
Guru
Sad part for me, I would have accepted mediocrity this season. Aside from entertaining in terms of scoring points, I think this team does not reach the mediocrity bar.
??? What?
-
Guru
Sad part for me, I would have accepted mediocrity this season. Aside from entertaining in terms of scoring points, I think this team does not reach the mediocrity bar.
It was a mediocre season, and I am not happy about it. But there have been some bright spots.
I firmly believe that after Buzz left the coaching job became a complete program rebuild. In that situation, I believe 5 years is warranted.
If my expectations are not met next year, I will agree with you both, and call for a coaching change. But I want to see next year's team.
-
Opposing fans will have fodder regardless of their view of MU. They can say we are unrealistic and think we should win every game, they can say we have low expectations because we talk more about next year than this year, they can say we're arrogant a$$holes that just yell at each other and can't get along... At the end of the day, though, no one else really cares about what we say here and we shouldn't care about the ones who do. I think you might be putting a little too much stock into a simple message board.
You have a fair point that it doesn't really matter what other fan bases think of us, id just prefer not to get the rep that current CU, former WVU, or former SU fans have, they sucked, no matter how you view it.
-
There are things you can control that are in your direct sphere of influence (i.e. job performance, relationship with spouse, your golf game, things you type on Scoop, etc.), things you can't control but can be prepared to handle as well as possible (i.e. the financial markets, the weather, your kids becoming teens, parents aging, etc.), and things you have zero influence over and whose outcome doesn't impact you (i.e. sports teams - unless you are a betting man).
you've confused 'acceptance of mediocrity' with a rational realization of what actually impacts our lives.
That kind of confusion (and the resulting tantrums) is relatively common in young people. But guru keeps bragging about how old he is. Odd.
-
Different things affect people differently, everyone's lives are different. I don't think ANY of us are in a position, or should be telling anyone what type of an impact anything should make on someone else's life, especially when we know nothing about said person, wouldn't you agree?? I think that's reasonable
That is reasonable. What that does tell me though is nothing is to seriously wrong in your life (which is awesome!) to realize what should impact your life i.e family, health, financials
-
Warriorfred
Missing NCAA is not a mediocre season to this fan, hence my saying the mediocrity bar was not met. What would you consider a bad season?
-
Go look at the preseason expectations thread on Scoop. Go look at presseason polls. Then look at the actual results and then tell me that we underachieved. Same record as last year and better RPI after losing e starters and 5 contributors from last year's team.
-
That is reasonable. What that does tell me though is nothing is to seriously wrong in your life (which is awesome!) to realize what should impact your life i.e family, health, financials
Ding! ding! Ding! You are very astute Loud mouth...I live a drama, stress free life(on purpose), that allows me to be incredibly passionate and engaged in something I love...MU basketball. I guess i don't see what's wrong with that??
-
Warriorfred
Missing NCAA is not a mediocre season to this fan, hence my saying the mediocrity bar was not met. What would you consider a bad season?
- Bad season is missing the NIT and NCAA tournaments.
- Mediocre season is making the NIT or sneaking into the NCAA Tournament (we can debate this last point).
- Good season is no worries on the selection Sunday.
- Great season is Sweet 16 or better.
- Best season ever is winning the NCAA Tournament while ND watched both the NIT and NCAA at home.
-
Ding! ding! Ding! You are very astute Loud mouth...I live a drama, stress free life(on purpose), that allows me to be incredibly passionate and engaged in something I love...MU basketball. I guess i don't see what's wrong with that??
I can’t argue with that. Nothing is wrong with it. It just takes one serious family issue that you can’t have any control over to realize that this is only a game. A game that we care a heck of a lot about but at the end of the day we care a lot more about it then it does about us. Obviously I would never wish any bad against a soul but there are moments that put life into perspective
-
- Bad season is missing the NIT and NCAA tournaments.
- Mediocre season is making the NIT or sneaking into the NCAA Tournament (we can debate this last point).
- Good season is no worries on the selection Sunday.
- Great season is Sweet 16 or better.
- Best season ever is winning the NCAA Tournament while ND watched both the NIT and NCAA at home.
I agree with this analysis
-
- Bad season is missing the NIT and NCAA tournaments.
- Mediocre season is making the NIT or sneaking into the NCAA Tournament (we can debate this last point).
- Good season is no worries on the selection Sunday.
- Great season is Sweet 16 or better.
- Best season ever is winning the NCAA Tournament while ND Wisconsin watched both the NIT and NCAA at home.
FTFY
-
Thanks man! I just don't happen to accept mediocrity NO MATTER the circumstances. Some(most all of you here do), that's your prerogative, but it's just not how I am. Different strokes, for different folks.
Didn't you go to whitewater or something?
-
Ugh, ouch, crunch. What a drubbing. I am not talking about the game but how people treat people on this page. Time to relax and enjoy life. :'(
-
One thing that gets me, is no one will EVER see me rip the players or their effort...when so many do, and think that's okay(that's not okay to me)...no one calls them out on it, but my god if we rip Wojo...that's completely unacceptable! Makes no sense.
I dont think anyone has a problem with you ripping wojo. I wrote a rant after tge Providence game on Wojo. But to say tge same thing over n over and over again during the course of a game based on obe half in Creighton is a little over the top. If nothing else hopefullu tonight proved what others have been saying. Our defense sucks rgardless of the type we r in
-
FTFY
Change accepted.
-
What did Guru say that was out of line? Just curious. Haven't read every post since the game ended.....Very interested.
-
We are in the top ten in money spent on basketball (maybe the top 5 or 6) and we are arguing whether we are "mediocre" or slightly better than "mediocre".
-
That kind of confusion (and the resulting tantrums) is relatively common in young people. But guru keeps bragging about how old he is. Odd.
Well, yeah, but he also bragged about how this ruined his marriage. Very odd thing to brag about.
-
Thanks man! I just don't happen to accept mediocrity NO MATTER the circumstances. Some(most all of you here do), that's your prerogative, but it's just not how I am. Different strokes, for different folks.
I enjoy your posts and your dedication to MU Basketball. Thanks for sharing your viewpoint it contributes to the fabric of a quality message board.
-
Sorry, but a mediocre team does not win
9 games in the Big East!
By the mere definition of Mediocre from Websters - "of moderate or low quality, value, ability, or performance : ordinary, so-so", 9 wins and 9 losses would be a mediocre team. Not great, not good but sometimes good, not horrible but sometimes bad. That would describe this team this year. From a base value judgement, they are mediocre relative to their group or conference. Relative to the whole NCAA, they aren't mediocre if they rank 60th out of all the NCAA teams, they would be considered in the top 20% of all the teams. If you are just looking at the top 20% of teams, they are probably at the bottom of the top 20% and there are a lot of similar looking teams in their neighborhood.
-
I enjoy your posts and your dedication to MU Basketball. Thanks for sharing your viewpoint it contributes to the fabric of a quality message board.
I agree with Cain here. Too often there is a quick leap to ban or limit someone's perspective if it runs counter to that of the collective and that accomplishes nothing. There were a few posts that mentioned banning in the Game thread. What you end up with is an echo chamber and discourse doesn't evolve when others are either shunned or banned from contributing. Guru's viewpoints were worthwhile to read. He's passionate about the team and there's nothing wrong with that.
Whether the people on this board like it or not, this is an outlet for Marquette basketball. Hangin' at the Al on MuScoop is a Forum / Message board for all things related to Marquette Basketball - recruiting, coaching, game strategy, etc. Frustration falls in that broad headline. If you try to make this board a safe space, you are going to be missing a lot.
-
I disagree with calling for the banning of scoopers who don't violate the rules of the site. But I also don't think we are in danger of becoming an echo chamber. I can think of only one banning this entire offseason and it was a badger fan who was trolling though maybe there were others that I just didn't notice. Mods are very patient and I think it's a good thing
-
Guru
Sad part for me, I would have accepted mediocrity this season. Aside from entertaining in terms of scoring points, I think this team does not reach the mediocrity bar.
And that's all there id, folks.
-
I am not in favor of banning people for contrary opinions. Trolling, obsessions, persistent personal attacks, maybe. Guru is fine. He wears his heart on his sleeve. He loves MU hoops. He remembers the Al years and anything short is unacceptable to him. God love ya, Guru.
-
And that's all there id, folks.
Pun intended?
-
We are in the top ten in money spent on basketball (maybe the top 5 or 6) and we are arguing whether we are "mediocre" or slightly better than "mediocre".
You realize this is amateur sports and the amount of money spent doesn't directly correlate to success? We aren't just going out and buying the best players like the Yankees or Dodgers.
I cannot stand this argument. It makes zero sense.
-
You realize this is amateur sports and the amount of money spent doesn't directly correlate to success? We aren't just going out and buying the best players like the Yankees or Dodgers.
I cannot stand this argument. It makes zero sense.
Then why does MU spend so much?
-
I have to say, that was a really ugly loss and a lot of people are angry. The board quickly turned against one another and stupid arguments came from that. I think we all came to the conclusion that it was a tough loss but losses happen.
I think we have to thank guru for offering up such moronic comments to bring us all together and have something to agree on. Mr Muguru, you are an embarrassment to Marquette fans
No need for this thread. Really? Do you really feel such a need to rehash this, keep it going for the benefit of...what, your ego? Take it to the church ladies thread somewhere
-
You realize this is amateur sports and the amount of money spent doesn't directly correlate to success? We aren't just going out and buying the best players like the Yankees or Dodgers.
I cannot stand this argument. It makes zero sense.
Not only that, but MU counts the rent paid to the BC as part of the expense. It artificially inflates the investment into the program. People need to stop using that as a data point.
-
I am not in favor of banning people for contrary opinions. Trolling, obsessions, persistent personal attacks, maybe. Guru is fine. He wears his heart on his sleeve. He loves MU hoops. He remembers the Al years and anything short is unacceptable to him. God love ya, Guru.
Well done tower
-
I am not in favor of banning people for contrary opinions. Trolling, obsessions, persistent personal attacks, maybe. Guru is fine. He wears his heart on his sleeve. He loves MU hoops. He remembers the Al years and anything short is unacceptable to him. God love ya, Guru.
Exactly. Guru shouldn't self-ban himself either.
-
I am not in favor of banning people for contrary opinions. Trolling, obsessions, persistent personal attacks, maybe. Guru is fine. He wears his heart on his sleeve. He loves MU hoops. He remembers the Al years and anything short is unacceptable to him. God love ya, Guru.
Agree 100%.
I strongly disagree with many of guru's opinions and often don't like how he states them, but I would never call for him to be banned.
-
Not only that, but MU counts the rent paid to the BC as part of the expense. It artificially inflates the investment into the program. People need to stop using that as a data point.
Playing in a pro arena is a big asset to the team and the university, though. That's why we do it. We have a perfectly nice gym on campus, but we know the experience of playing at the BC is far better than playing at the Al. While it does inflate the spending total, it's still an investment into the program, and it's an investment that must be paying off since we're going to be paying rent in the new arena too.
You're right that rent makes comparing budgets an apples to oranges comparison, but looking at our investment into basketball still send a clear message that it's an important part of the university.
-
Playing in a pro arena is a big asset to the team and the university, though. That's why we do it. We have a perfectly nice gym on campus, but we know the experience of playing at the BC is far better than playing at the Al. While it does inflate the spending total, it's still an investment into the program, and it's an investment that must be paying off since we're going to be paying rent in the new arena too.
You're right that rent makes comparing budgets an apples to oranges comparison, but looking at our investment into basketball still send a clear message that it's an important part of the university.
I agree with that completely. But saying we spend top 10 isn't really that accurate. We have scholarships, we pay coaches and travel. Most Power 6 programs do the same thing.
-
I agree with that completely. But saying we spend top 10 isn't really that accurate. We have scholarships, we pay coaches and travel. Most Power 6 programs do the same thing.
I've heard we have a private jet for Wojo and the coaches to use for recruiting, and it looks like our team always flies on a charted flight. That's all pricey stuff. Is that common too, or is that something only the bigger budgets would spring for?
-
I've heard we have a private jet for Wojo and the coaches to use for recruiting, and it looks like our team always flies on a charted flight. That's all pricey stuff. Is that common too, or is that something only the bigger budgets would spring for?
It's pretty common.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/flying-coach-many-universities-are-using-private-planes/
-
Interesting. Ranked ~50th and .500 in a tough conference. Where do you place the bar for mediocrity?
People see what they want to see. Almost like water seeking its own level.
-
I've heard we have a private jet for Wojo and the coaches to use for recruiting, and it looks like our team always flies on a charted flight. That's all pricey stuff. Is that common too, or is that something only the bigger budgets would spring for?
Just to put this in perspective , as I pointed out in another thread, UNC is raising $500 million for their athletic department. They feel this is what is necessary to compete for national championships in every sport.
MU does a good job with its resources in my opinion.