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The Sac Man Cometh
« on: February 08, 2018, 07:55:34 PM »
Sacar’s play continues to trend upward!
The Sac man plays d, attacks the rim, takes care of the ball, and rebounds.  He will continue to improve in all areas and I believe his play will be the key to our success for years to come.  Well done Sacar!
Not mention he has a warrior attitude, not taking any crap.

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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2018, 08:32:06 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2018, 08:38:34 PM »
Great post.  Sacar trending upward for sure.  Bright future.  Saw someone mentioned Cain as a possible redshirt candidate for next year (a poster here), thought that would be brilliant - if we could convince Cain to do so. Give him a year to hit the weight room, and not lose a year of eligibility, when the playing time could be tougher to come by next year.

Side note:  Would it be fun or annoying for a player to have their "song" play when they check into a game?  Sacman = Enter Sandman.  Interesting they do it in baseball for guys coming up to bat.  Place for such a concept in basketball?

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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2018, 08:40:09 PM »
Sacar’s play continues to trend upward!
The Sac man plays d, attacks the rim, takes care of the ball, and rebounds.  He will continue to improve in all areas and I believe his play will be the key to our success for years to come.  Well done Sacar!
Not mention he has a warrior attitude, not taking any crap.

He's a strong but quiet presence on the floor. If he cleans up some of the easy mistakes, especially finishing better at the rim, he'll become a really strong 2 way guy. He earns his minutes on D right now, but the flashes we've seen of his offensive ability show real promise. A more experienced and more confident Sacar is going to be trouble for the Big East next year.

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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2018, 10:53:59 PM »
Great post.  Sacar trending upward for sure.  Bright future.  Saw someone mentioned Cain as a possible redshirt candidate for next year (a poster here), thought that would be brilliant - if we could convince Cain to do so. Give him a year to hit the weight room, and not lose a year of eligibility, when the playing time could be tougher to come by next year.

Side note:  Would it be fun or annoying for a player to have their "song" play when they check into a game?  Sacman = Enter Sandman.  Interesting they do it in baseball for guys coming up to bat.  Place for such a concept in basketball?

No interest whatsoever in redshirting Cain.

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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2018, 10:59:18 PM »
No interest whatsoever in redshirting Cain.

I don't hate it. I worry he could be a transfer risk looking ahead to next year's roster and minutes allocation.

With Markus, Greg, and Sacar seeming to be pretty well locked into the lineup at guard, I don't see Jamal getting a ton of minutes there. Then you have Sam and Joey likely getting a lot of minutes at the 3. I can see a scenario where Jamal is a 3rd option at the 2 and the 3rd option at the 3. Add in a grad transfer PG, and the minutes at the 2 and 3 get even more scarce for guys off the bench, ie- Jamal.

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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2018, 11:04:49 PM »
I don't hate it. I worry he could be a transfer risk looking ahead to next year's roster and minutes allocation.

With Markus, Greg, and Sacar seeming to be pretty well locked into the lineup at guard, I don't see Jamal getting a ton of minutes there. Then you have Sam and Joey likely getting a lot of minutes at the 3. I can see a scenario where Jamal is a 3rd option at the 2 and the 3rd option at the 3. Add in a grad transfer PG, and the minutes at the 2 and 3 get even more scarce for guys off the bench, ie- Jamal.
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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2018, 11:08:33 PM »
Jamal will  play a major role next year.

Do you think Joey will get many minutes? I feel like we'll be a little backlogged at the 2/3, which is good, but it can create some lineup problems. I think we'll have some good lineups with Morrow as the only big on the floor, which gives some flexibility to give Jamal some more minutes, but I'm not sure how often we'll go small like that.

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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2018, 11:23:25 PM »
Do you think Joey will get many minutes? I feel like we'll be a little backlogged at the 2/3, which is good, but it can create some lineup problems. I think we'll have some good lineups with Morrow as the only big on the floor, which gives some flexibility to give Jamal some more minutes, but I'm not sure how often we'll go small like that.

Yes, Joey will get plenty minutes.
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2018, 11:33:48 PM »
Yes, Joey will get plenty minutes.

Who gets shorted or takes a step back from this year, then? I would agree that Joey probably gets a lot of minutes next year, and we know Markus and Sam are going to be getting 30-ish minutes. Sacar is trending up, and Greg's defense has been pretty good when needed this year, so where does Jamal figure in?

I love the depth next year at the 2 and 3, but I think Jamal is either a good reshirt candidate or a possible transfer risk. I know minutes tend to work themselves out, but I think they'll be hard to come by next year for guys like Jamal and Bailey.

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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2018, 12:02:16 AM »
Who gets shorted or takes a step back from this year, then? I would agree that Joey probably gets a lot of minutes next year, and we know Markus and Sam are going to be getting 30-ish minutes. Sacar is trending up, and Greg's defense has been pretty good when needed this year, so where does Jamal figure in?

I love the depth next year at the 2 and 3, but I think Jamal is either a good reshirt candidate or a possible transfer risk. I know minutes tend to work themselves out, but I think they'll be hard to come by next year for guys like Jamal and Bailey.

All depends on what kind of offseason Jamal has. I could absolutely see him taking minutes from Greg and Sacar next season.

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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2018, 12:28:04 AM »
If I was going to redshirt on anyone on what we assume will be next year's roster....it would be Theo.
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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2018, 02:50:04 AM »
If I was going to redshirt on anyone on what we assume will be next year's roster....it would be Theo.

I dunno...I still like Theo wayyy more than Heldt going forward. Matt is Matt, Theo has a way higher ceiling.

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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2018, 06:08:19 AM »
As it currently stands, there is a logjam everywhere except the point next year.    Markus will start.  Sam will start.  Morrow will probably start.   Lots of competition and lots of depth elsewhere.    I believe that it will work itself out.  Injuries,  transfers.  The best players will emerge.
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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2018, 06:36:03 AM »
As it currently stands, there is a logjam everywhere except the point next year.    Markus will start.  Sam will start.  Morrow will probably start.   Lots of competition and lots of depth elsewhere.    I believe that it will work itself out.  Injuries,  transfers.  The best players will emerge.

And what will happen with the others? I think that's where the possible redshirt conversation, or the risk of transfer comes in. The offseason is key, with lots of depth and competition. Players will get squeezed out (assuming no injuries), and one or more could be disgruntled by what they see ahead of them. So, strategic redshirts may be key, but potential transfer(s) seem possible too.

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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2018, 06:56:51 AM »
40% of D-1 basketball players transfer.    I hate it and would really like to see what next year's team could be without it.    But I am not naive. 
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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2018, 07:33:36 AM »
I dunno...I still like Theo wayyy more than Heldt going forward. Matt is Matt, Theo has a way higher ceiling.

Exactly,  so you give John another year to get closer to his potential. Matt you let graduate so you can another young player with high upside.

And while he was great against Providence, Theo has been the weakest of our three bigs this season. I think he could benefit from a redshirt year. Now if Providence becomes his new norm or close to it, then no.

We'll see what happens next year. If we don't get hit significantly by transfers I think we will see a redshirt. I think Harry or Theo are the most likely candidates. We'll need Jamal.
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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2018, 07:39:13 AM »
I dunno...I still like Theo wayyy more than Heldt going forward. Matt is Matt, Theo has a way higher ceiling.

I agree + I don't know why Theo would agree to this.  I know Prov. was just one game, but he is already showing the potential to take Matt's mins...let alone ceiling.

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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2018, 07:59:02 AM »
I don't hate it. I worry he could be a transfer risk looking ahead to next year's roster and minutes allocation.

With Markus, Greg, and Sacar seeming to be pretty well locked into the lineup at guard, I don't see Jamal getting a ton of minutes there. Then you have Sam and Joey likely getting a lot of minutes at the 3. I can see a scenario where Jamal is a 3rd option at the 2 and the 3rd option at the 3. Add in a grad transfer PG, and the minutes at the 2 and 3 get even more scarce for guys off the bench, ie- Jamal.
Cain is not a 2 at all right?  He seems like a pretty clear 3 if you are going to put a label on him, so Marcus and Greg won't effect his min at all, Sacar is a 2/3 I would say, Sam and Joey are 3/4 with Joey more of a 4 lean and Sam more of a 3 lean.  Lots of flexibility at the 3 for Cain. 

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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2018, 08:37:35 AM »
Cain is not a 2 at all right?  He seems like a pretty clear 3 if you are going to put a label on him, so Marcus and Greg won't effect his min at all, Sacar is a 2/3 I would say, Sam and Joey are 3/4 with Joey more of a 4 lean and Sam more of a 3 lean.  Lots of flexibility at the 3 for Cain.

Cain is absolutely a 2. He is also a 3 but I think will be at his deadliest when he can move over to the 2. He has all the speed, athleticism, and shooting necessary for the role. Can you imagine the mismatches he could create when he gets a little stronger and more confident?
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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2018, 08:39:45 AM »
Exactly,  so you give John another year to get closer to his potential. Matt you let graduate so you can another young player with high upside.

And while he was great against Providence, Theo has been the weakest of our three bigs this season. I think he could benefit from a redshirt year. Now if Providence becomes his new norm or close to it, then no.

We'll see what happens next year. If we don't get hit significantly by transfers I think we will see a redshirt. I think Harry or Theo are the most likely candidates. We'll need Jamal.

I agree with the concept, but think that Theo has shown us too much to agree to sit a year. I would be very surprised if he redshirts.

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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2018, 08:40:45 AM »
I see 3 centers,  2 guards right now,  then at the wings you have a starter in Sacar, Bailey, Sam, and Cain.  PF you have Morrow, Joey and Eke.  I said Cain would
be a good choice has he needs to add 20 pounds to his frame.  That will not happen overnight.  I see none of these kids transferring except maybe Cain, hope that
is not his move.  I think he has a great upside but he is so skinny.  It would really help him if he wants to go to the next level.  If MU had more guards, Elliott needs
to put on 20 pounds at least as well.  Herman I agree he will be very good in due time, but physically he good use an extra year to get stronger.  Four of those seven
will get extensive playing time.  Cain could be the 10th man on the squad with Bailey and Eke.  If those 2 bring anything to the table, MU will be really good.

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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2018, 08:47:47 AM »
I don't hate it. I worry he could be a transfer risk looking ahead to next year's roster and minutes allocation.

With Markus, Greg, and Sacar seeming to be pretty well locked into the lineup at guard, I don't see Jamal getting a ton of minutes there. Then you have Sam and Joey likely getting a lot of minutes at the 3. I can see a scenario where Jamal is a 3rd option at the 2 and the 3rd option at the 3. Add in a grad transfer PG, and the minutes at the 2 and 3 get even more scarce for guys off the bench, ie- Jamal.

why care who gets playing time, it's not 3rd grade y ball. whoever helps the team win will play if someone doesn't like it, oh well go to another team to get your participation ribbon.

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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2018, 08:52:41 AM »
Exactly,  so you give John another year to get closer to his potential. Matt you let graduate so you can another young player with high upside.

And while he was great against Providence, Theo has been the weakest of our three bigs this season. I think he could benefit from a redshirt year. Now if Providence becomes his new norm or close to it, then no.

We'll see what happens next year. If we don't get hit significantly by transfers I think we will see a redshirt. I think Harry or Theo are the most likely candidates. We'll need Jamal.


Normally I would think Harry is the one you redshirt, but the guy has already sit out a year.   I just think if you redshirt John, you have no "physical option" at center for when you need it.

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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2018, 08:55:24 AM »
Cain is not a 2 at all right?  He seems like a pretty clear 3 if you are going to put a label on him, so Marcus and Greg won't effect his min at all, Sacar is a 2/3 I would say, Sam and Joey are 3/4 with Joey more of a 4 lean and Sam more of a 3 lean.  Lots of flexibility at the 3 for Cain.

I think a lot of 2's and 3's are fairly interchangeable in college. Wojo will have a lot of different lineups to play with next year, and if we don't get a grad transfer PG, I'm sure there will be some sets where Jamal is playing the 2 and some where he's at the 3. I would agree that he's a better natural fit at the 3, but he's definitely behind Sam right now, and if Joey lives up to his billing, Jamal may fall to #3 on the depth chart. If Markus shifts to the point, then Jamal may be the first guy off the bench to spell Sacar, but he'll have to earn that spot over Greg.

Maybe it'll work out that we go small a lot, and our only starting big man will be Morrow. In that case, you could have Markus, Sacar, Sam, and Joey in the starting lineup, and then Jamal is the first off the bench behind Sam or Joey. I think that's possible, but then we're leaving a lot of size on the bench, which could hurt too.

Lots of possibilities next year and lots of depth. It's a great problem to have, but it might be hard for all of our good guys to get a ton of minutes.

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« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2018, 09:00:42 AM »

Normally I would think Harry is the one you redshirt, but the guy has already sit out a year.   I just think if you redshirt John, you have no "physical option" at center for when you need it.

The already sat a year is part of my thinking but also John's connection with Sacar. Sacar is living proof of how beneficial a redshirt year can be
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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2018, 09:04:46 AM »

Normally I would think Harry is the one you redshirt, but the guy has already sit out a year.   I just think if you redshirt John, you have no "physical option" at center for when you need it.

Agreed. Don’t like the redshirt John next season idea. Harry theoretically could redshirt since this is his true sophomore season (transferred mid season), but I don’t see him being interested in that, and it is so nice to have three post bodies. If anyone redshirts next season, it’ll be Bailey.

It’d be fantastic to see a season where we don’t lose anyone to transfer. There really aren’t many candidates. Guys either project to be key contributors (Markus, Sam, Morrow) have already burned a red shirt year (Sacar, Ike, Morrow), just got here (Joey, Froling) and I don’t see Heldt going anywhere - he loves Marquette and accepts his role.

That leaves the current freshman and I just don’t see it with any of them. Cain and Greg and best friends and both have been solid role players as freshman - I doubt they see their roles depleting, even if they project to. And Theo’s playing time is climbing and he knows Matt graduates after next season and the post could be his.

Hoping everyone returns next season, but like tower said, transfers are a part of the game and history would suggest that we’ll peobably have 1.
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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2018, 09:06:44 AM »

Normally I would think Harry is the one you redshirt, but the guy has already sit out a year.   I just think if you redshirt John, you have no "physical option" at center for when you need it.

If Theo is redshirted, I think Harry could be the physical option. He's had some moments this year where he's had some nice back to the basket plays. He's not as physical on the boards, but I think that could be something he improves on over the summer. He doesn't seem to mind mixing it up with some of the bigger guys in the league.

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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2018, 09:13:27 AM »
If Theo is redshirted, I think Harry could be the physical option. He's had some moments this year where he's had some nice back to the basket plays. He's not as physical on the boards, but I think that could be something he improves on over the summer. He doesn't seem to mind mixing it up with some of the bigger guys in the league.


Harry is overmatched defensively almost every time he is in the game. 

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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2018, 09:14:50 AM »
Agreed. Don’t like the redshirt John next season idea. Harry theoretically could redshirt since this is his true sophomore season (transferred mid season), but I don’t see him being interested in that, and it is so nice to have three post bodies. If anyone redshirts next season, it’ll be Bailey.


I was thinking Bailey too, but he is already old. 

I think Cain might be another option.

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« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2018, 09:46:07 AM »

I was thinking Bailey too, but he is already old. 

I think Cain might be another option.

This.  He's arriving at 20 years old.

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« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2018, 09:56:51 AM »
Back to Sacar, love what he's done but hate his shoes. Looks like he's playing in slides.

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« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2018, 10:01:27 AM »
Agreed. Don’t like the redshirt John next season idea. Harry theoretically could redshirt since this is his true sophomore season (transferred mid season), but I don’t see him being interested in that, and it is so nice to have three post bodies. If anyone redshirts next season, it’ll be Bailey.

Curious question, could Harry request an injury RS for last year and technically call this his RS-Freshman year? 

He only played in 10 games (Same as Kobe King who is taking an injury RS), had a stress fracture in his foot, that did not allow him to participate once coming to MU.  He actually shouldn't have been playing on the injury while at SMU.

Don't see why he wouldn't qualify for a injury RS.  Now, he may not want to take one as he has indicated in the past that he might be willing to just go an play professionally at home, but it could be an option.

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« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2018, 10:11:51 AM »
Curious question, could Harry request an injury RS for last year and technically call this his RS-Freshman year? 

He only played in 10 games (Same as Kobe King who is taking an injury RS), had a stress fracture in his foot, that did not allow him to participate once coming to MU.  He actually shouldn't have been playing on the injury while at SMU.

Don't see why he wouldn't qualify for a injury RS.  Now, he may not want to take one as he has indicated in the past that he might be willing to just go an play professionally at home, but it could be an option.
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« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2018, 10:33:13 AM »
Curious question, could Harry request an injury RS for last year and technically call this his RS-Freshman year? 

He only played in 10 games (Same as Kobe King who is taking an injury RS), had a stress fracture in his foot, that did not allow him to participate once coming to MU.  He actually shouldn't have been playing on the injury while at SMU.

Don't see why he wouldn't qualify for a injury RS.  Now, he may not want to take one as he has indicated in the past that he might be willing to just go an play professionally at home, but it could be an option.

Doesn't his transfer negate the ability to call last year a redshirt  year? If he were able to retroactively tag last year as a medical redshirt year, couldn't every transfer just have the new team doc throw a walking boot on the guy and give him an extra year of eligibility? He's got to lose a year of eligibility due to transfer, doesn't he?

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« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2018, 10:36:55 AM »
Curious question, could Harry request an injury RS for last year and technically call this his RS-Freshman year? 

He only played in 10 games (Same as Kobe King who is taking an injury RS), had a stress fracture in his foot, that did not allow him to participate once coming to MU.  He actually shouldn't have been playing on the injury while at SMU.

Don't see why he wouldn't qualify for a injury RS.  Now, he may not want to take one as he has indicated in the past that he might be willing to just go an play professionally at home, but it could be an option.

JB would be the best to answer this, but I don't think it is possible to substitute a transfer year in residence with a medical redshirt to get an extra year of eligibility.

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« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2018, 11:33:45 AM »
Sac man reminds me a lot like Jimmy Butler his junior year. Jimmy was a bit soft finishing at the rim. I often noted that watching him play and then senior year Jimmy was tremendous. I see the same track for Sacar and predict he will be taking the ball to the rack with authority!

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« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2018, 12:33:22 PM »
Both Vander and Jimmy were much, much,  much,  much better defenders and shooters at sophomore and junior year than Sacar is now. I can see playstyle comparisons but not talent level comparisons
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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2018, 12:45:52 PM »
I LOVE Cain as a prospect and player.  Think his upside is huge.  My concern is that minutes will be hard to come by for him next year, talented as he is.  No doubt a year off of skill work and serious strength and conditioning would do wonders for his game.  He is SO wiry, lanky, it takes some real time for a guy like him to put on just 10-15 pounds.

Think a guy can handle knowing up front I'm sitting out a year to improve on my strength and conditioning, and stay all in/committed to a program, rather than to stay eligible and not be happy with their playing time.  They then transfer at semester (usually), or at end of the season, and end up sitting out 1 year minimum, if not 1.5 years (Traci Carter).

Cain can be an absolute star, and could be effective as a player next year - but, he'd be poised for a monster breakout Junior red shirt year (after all of Sacar, Sam and Morrow) are gone.

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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2018, 01:02:27 PM »
I LOVE Cain as a prospect and player.  Think his upside is huge.  My concern is that minutes will be hard to come by for him next year, talented as he is.  No doubt a year off of skill work and serious strength and conditioning would do wonders for his game.  He is SO wiry, lanky, it takes some real time for a guy like him to put on just 10-15 pounds.

Think a guy can handle knowing up front I'm sitting out a year to improve on my strength and conditioning, and stay all in/committed to a program, rather than to stay eligible and not be happy with their playing time.  They then transfer at semester (usually), or at end of the season, and end up sitting out 1 year minimum, if not 1.5 years (Traci Carter).

Cain can be an absolute star, and could be effective as a player next year - but, he'd be poised for a monster breakout Junior red shirt year (after all of Sacar, Sam and Morrow) are gone.

I agree with your assessment.  But to tell a kid that he really is not going to make a difference for 3 more years, will be hard for them to digest.  There minds think
they are good enough to be a pro in 3 years, not redshirting and really not playing much as a soph either.   Heck, Bailey might be better, then for sure he might
as well transfer. 

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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2018, 01:44:17 PM »
Sac man reminds me a lot like Jimmy Butler his junior year. Jimmy was a bit soft finishing at the rim. I often noted that watching him play and then senior year Jimmy was tremendous. I see the same track for Sacar and predict he will be taking the ball to the rack with authority!


I like Sacar, but I don't even think they are in the same universe.

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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2018, 02:36:07 PM »
You don't just redshirt someone to redshirt them.  You redshirt someone who isn't quite ready to contribute.

Theo will obviously be ready to contribute next year.  Cain will too.  I can't see anyone other than Bailey redshirting and he's going to be old, so I don't think that makes sense.  I don't think we see a redshirt next season, other than a possible traditional transfer into MU.
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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2018, 02:47:15 PM »
I LOVE Cain as a prospect and player.  Think his upside is huge.  My concern is that minutes will be hard to come by for him next year, talented as he is.  No doubt a year off of skill work and serious strength and conditioning would do wonders for his game.  He is SO wiry, lanky, it takes some real time for a guy like him to put on just 10-15 pounds.

Think a guy can handle knowing up front I'm sitting out a year to improve on my strength and conditioning, and stay all in/committed to a program, rather than to stay eligible and not be happy with their playing time.  They then transfer at semester (usually), or at end of the season, and end up sitting out 1 year minimum, if not 1.5 years (Traci Carter).

Cain can be an absolute star, and could be effective as a player next year - but, he'd be poised for a monster breakout Junior red shirt year (after all of Sacar, Sam and Morrow) are gone.
  I agree that Cain has a huge upside.  While a redshirt year would obviously help him get bigger and stronger, I think he's going to be really good next year and see the floor irrespective of who else is on the team.
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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2018, 02:51:00 PM »
I don't think we see a redshirt next season, other than a possible traditional transfer into MU.
I brought it up in a different thread, but a traditional PG transfer would be a great thing for this team, because as much as we need one next year, we will be in the exact same spot 12 months on if we get a grad transfer.  Unless Wojo thinks that Carton will be #donedeal, a traditional PG transfer could be better in the long run because he would have a full season to acclimate to the system.  People also have a tendency to expect too much from a grad transfer too soon, see Lockett, Carlino, and KR.  A full year practicing with the team before you get any real game time might be a better way to manage expectations. 

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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2018, 01:08:35 PM »
Sacar was absolutely dreadful today.

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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #45 on: February 10, 2018, 01:12:37 PM »
Sac man reminds me a lot like Jimmy Butler his junior year. Jimmy was a bit soft finishing at the rim. I often noted that watching him play and then senior year Jimmy was tremendous. I see the same track for Sacar and predict he will be taking the ball to the rack with authority!


This didn't age well.

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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #46 on: February 10, 2018, 03:20:57 PM »
... and goeth.

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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #47 on: February 10, 2018, 03:39:29 PM »

This didn't age well.

However, the dunk Sacar flushed today was an epic finish.  Probably our most powerful finish at the basket since Deonte posterized the kid from Furman, freshman year. 

Sacar had a rough game, but you look at the athleticism and strength of that finish today, and you can project an upside (not Jimmy Butler high), but that finish is something to build on.  For example, Cheatham could never dream of finishing in such a manner at the hoop.

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« Reply #48 on: February 10, 2018, 03:41:54 PM »
Well, it was right-handed, so yeah.   Was actually missing Haanif today watching  the freshmen flail around.
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« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2018, 03:50:03 PM »
Well, it was right-handed, so yeah.   Was actually missing Haanif today watching  the freshmen flail around.

I think Haanif has about 38 turnovers at St. John’s last year. In fact, I think he just committed another one as I type this.
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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2018, 03:52:26 PM »
Well, it was right-handed, so yeah.   Was actually missing Haanif today watching  the freshmen flail around.

True.  But, pretty sure you know Haanif couldn't have done that going to his left, with his left. Haanif was a below the rim player.  Sacar took off outside of the circle and absolutely flushed that in the kids face.  Powerful, powerful, move.  The exact kind of athleticism we lack.  Need Cain and Elliott to gain 20 and they'll be equally dynamic/powerful.

Agree the freshman struggled today, yet if Haanif were here he would only be impeding their progress, and both Greg and Jamal have much more upside. 

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« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2018, 03:58:34 PM »
It was a nice move.  Do they?  Are you sure?  Will either have a better year statistically than Haanif did as a freshman?   He regressed, sure.  But will either be a double digit scorer, considering how the roster is shaping up?
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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2018, 04:11:57 PM »
It was a nice move.  Do they?  Are you sure?  Will either have a better year statistically than Haanif did as a freshman?   He regressed, sure.  But will either be a double digit scorer, considering how the roster is shaping up?

Haanif had a nice freshman year.  Got more playing time than any other player on the roster that year.  Consistency in role and PT help with both confidence and production.  Unfortunately his role was disrupted last year, and more competition this year. 

I thought Haanif could be a good player, yet his splits were pretty significant between Tier A&B Pomeroy teams and the Sub 100 teams.  93 O-Rating on 13% Usage with 25% Turnover rate in Big East play last year - the arrow wasn't pointing up.

Athletically, Cain and Elliott have MUCH more ability, and both seem to shoot the ball better.  Haanif probably a little better off the dribble going to the basket than is Cain as a freshman (which is why I'd like to see Cain redshirt - 1-year off with serious strength and conditioning work, and he can be a great asset to the program for 3 years.)  Only worry I have with Cain is that is he a fairly upright player (like Sandy Cohen), but Cain is a much more sudden and explosive leaper.

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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2018, 04:18:27 PM »
Sacar has had his moments, but when he gets the ball outside, teams don't even guard him.  They know his outside shot is a liability and he will drive to the basket.  He tried today and it didn't work out real good for him.

He will have his minutes this year, but next year, with Sam moving to the 3 and Morrow to the 4, he will be a bench player with his playing time challenged by Cain. 

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« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2018, 04:20:24 PM »
And I don't really know how explosive he is.  I mean, on this team yeah.  But in the grand scheme of BE basketball?  I don't really think so.

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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #55 on: February 10, 2018, 04:34:20 PM »
Sacar has had his moments, but when he gets the ball outside, teams don't even guard him.  They know his outside shot is a liability and he will drive to the basket.  He tried today and it didn't work out real good for him.

He will have his minutes this year, but next year, with Sam moving to the 3 and Morrow to the 4, he will be a bench player with his playing time challenged by Cain.

Who plays at the 1 and the 2?  Markus and Greg each play 40?

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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #56 on: February 10, 2018, 04:34:47 PM »
And I don't really know how explosive he is.  I mean, on this team yeah.  But in the grand scheme of BE basketball?  I don't really think so.

Looking ahead - Bailey isn't an explosive player.  Nor is Joey Hauser.  Morrow will be a very good addition, and can do the part physically.  That aside, not sure I see our team getting more explosive next year.

That was a big-time explosive finish Sacar had today.  Needs to keep working on the 3 point shooting, but feel he's far from a finished product.  In my view, the only junkyard dog type of player we have on the roster currently.

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« Reply #57 on: February 10, 2018, 05:29:09 PM »
Who plays at the 1 and the 2?  Markus and Greg each play 40?

Hopefully the grad transfer or new recruit can actually bring the ball up the court.  Sam will help when needed as he does now.  Heck, maybe the Bailey kid can do it. 

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Re: The Sac Man Cometh
« Reply #58 on: February 17, 2018, 11:26:49 PM »
Now start printing the 'Sac Man' t shirts.
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