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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: ChitownSpaceForRent on August 26, 2013, 02:35:32 PM
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I know that were not big fans of college football here because of all the conference realignment but its almost time for the season. I see Bama running away with the National Championship. I have a feeling it wont even be close. Notre Dame comes back town to earth to a 7 or 8 win team and I think the B1G championship game will be Ohio St. vs Northwestern. Before you all go crazy about NU being there they return all their skill players from a 10 win season and in their 3 lossesthey a had a lead each time in the 4th quarter. Watch out for the Cats.
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I am contemplating my second complete boycott in 3 years.
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Northwestern's schedule is much more difficult. They drop @Penn State and Indiana from their "crossover games," and add Ohio State and @Wisconsin. Now they have to go to Nebraska, but they do get UM and MSU at home. Now it wouldn't unheard of for them to win the division, but UM, MSU and NU are all pretty good teams.
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SEC last seven years. Don't know about Bama running away with it because of Georgia, LSU, South Carolina and even Florida all loaded.
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If Louisville and Ohio St are both undefeated and Bama has one lose do you screw L'ville and the championship is OSU vs Bama or what happens? Should be interesting because I can see both OSU and L'ville running the table.
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I love the optimism relative to NU but don't feel it myself. I'm looking forward to the games and love that they have (so far) no loss of players due to injury. With the returning talent they should be very competitive..., maybe I'll be surprised.
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I predict UW will play and lose in the Rose Bowl.
Something about history and it repeating leads me to this again and again and again.
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Ugh, I hate Urban Meyer.
Just an awful human.
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Ugh, I hate Urban Meyer.
Just an awful human.
That may be the case, but I wanted to share this:
http://starbeacon.com/localsports/x343677037/Buskirk-springing-ahead?keyword=topstory
John("Buzz") ultimately ended up dying in 2009, but was good friends with my aunt and uncle in Geneva, Ohio. Meyer did some very cool things for John in 2008 when he learned of his illness. This is just one story, but many never made the press that year.
Another from the national title game http://starbeacon.com/localsports/x343696425/Meyer-to-honor-courageous-Buskirk-tonight
John died a few days later http://starbeacon.com/local/x343696999/In-memory-of-JOHN-BUSKIRK
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I refuse to watch it. The Manziel case was ridiculous. Kid is getting paid, and the NCAA makes a sweetheart deal agreeing to a 1/2 game suspension and agreeing to stop pursing any investigations and he is immune from future punishments for the current issues.
If that was any other school and not a Heisman candidate they would be done for the year.
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I refuse to watch it. The Manziel case was ridiculous. Kid is getting paid, and the NCAA makes a sweetheart deal agreeing to a 1/2 game suspension and agreeing to stop pursing any investigations and he is immune from future punishments for the current issues.
If that was any other school and not a Heisman candidate they would be done for the year.
They had no proof. But whatever...
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I refuse to watch it. The Manziel case was ridiculous. Kid is getting paid, and the NCAA makes a sweetheart deal agreeing to a 1/2 game suspension and agreeing to stop pursing any investigations and he is immune from future punishments for the current issues.
If that was any other school and not a Heisman candidate they would be done for the year.
There's no proof, not much you can do if there is no proof. If proof comes out, the NCAA will hit them harder and came out and said so. What else are they supposed to do?
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They had no proof. But whatever...
The guy who had him sign the signatures admitted to ESPN that he paid the guy. He then said he would not cooperate with the NCAA. In other cases the NCAA said that if they have evidence to suggest someone violated rules and individuals involved in the case do not cooperate (i.e. the guys paying the athletes) they would assume guilt (Miami). What makes this case any different.
There was plenty of evidence.
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The guy who had him sign the signatures admitted to ESPN that he paid the guy. He then said he would not cooperate with the NCAA. In other cases the NCAA said that if they have evidence to suggest someone violated rules and individuals involved in the case do not cooperate (i.e. the guys paying the athletes) they would assume guilt (Miami). What makes this case any different.
Mostly because the case against Miami has been a legal and PR nightmare.
Look, do I think he took money? Probably. I honestly don't really care. College football is a fun, flawed sport.
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Mostly because the case against Miami has been a legal and PR nightmare.
Look, do I think he took money? Probably. I honestly don't really care. College football is a fun, flawed sport.
How about the hand gestures he was making in celebration today? What a prick
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How about the hand gestures he was making in celebration today? What a prick
I loved it.
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Mostly because the case against Miami has been a legal and PR nightmare.
Look, do I think he took money? Probably. I honestly don't really care. College football is a fun, flawed sport.
Also, as far as I understand signing autographs for the sole purpose of them being sold (whether you profit from it or not) is a violation of NCAA rules. There is not doubt he is guilty there.
Besides that, college football is about as dirty as it gets and the whole system is a mockery of college education. For these additional reasons I cannot follow it.
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Also, as far as I understand signing autographs for the sole purpose of them being sold (whether you profit from it or not) is a violation of NCAA rules. There is not doubt he is guilty there.
Besides that, college football is about as dirty as it gets and the whole system is a mockery of college education. For these additional reasons I cannot follow it.
70% of college football D1 athletes graduate...75% for basketball.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8551210/ncaa-graduation-rates-improving-football-basketball
Misplaced outrage.
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The guy who had him sign the signatures admitted to ESPN that he paid the guy. He then said he would not cooperate with the NCAA. In other cases the NCAA said that if they have evidence to suggest someone violated rules and individuals involved in the case do not cooperate (i.e. the guys paying the athletes) they would assume guilt (Miami). What makes this case any different.
There was plenty of evidence.
Is there proof he was paid? One guy admitted it, that's not enough. Is there a cashed check? One woman admitted she was raped by a bunch of Duke LaCrosse players.....get the idea? It takes more than one person saying something.
Doesn't mean he didn't do it, but you need some proof.
The Miami case is so much deeper than this, not even close to a comparison.
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70% of college football D1 athletes graduate...75% for basketball.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8551210/ncaa-graduation-rates-improving-football-basketball
Misplaced outrage.
No it is not misplaced outrage. Many athletes in football particularly are not students. The trend now is for the stars to take all their classes by internet (where they often don't even take the classes), others (see UNC) take manufactured classes or manufactured degrees (Life Science Communication) to retain eligibility. If you interact with football players regularly, you will find that greater than 50% of them have no business being in college, they need to retake middle school first (this is more common in the south and SEC).
Citing graduation rates only amplifies the problem as schools are now graduating the students anyway to maintain their APR.
More importantly, the majority of football schools are syphoning money away from academic programs to maintain a failing football team. That is not part of the academic mission.
You like football, congratulations, enjoy it. That doesn't mean you have to go out of your way to defend it.
Basketball at some Universities is the same. I tend to dislike them because of it.
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Is there proof he was paid? One guy admitted it, that's not enough. Is there a cashed check? One woman admitted she was raped by a bunch of Duke LaCrosse players.....get the idea? It takes more than one person saying something.
Doesn't mean he didn't do it, but you need some proof.
The Miami case is so much deeper than this, not even close to a comparison.
We'll have to agree to disagree. I will point out that there is a lot more evidence out there. He is currently driving a black mercedes. Initial reports were that his father didn't even know where his kid got the money for it, later those statements magically changed. He was reportedly paid for signing autographs to buy rims for his car. Shortly after signing the autographs, rims appeared on his car. (Note just the act of signing those autographs is a violation). If this was Joe Schmoe at San Diego State University they would have been done for the year.
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No it is not misplaced outrage. Many athletes in football particularly are not students. The trend now is for the stars to take all their classes by internet (where they often don't even take the classes), others (see UNC) take manufactured classes or manufactured degrees (Life Science Communication) to retain eligibility. If you interact with football players regularly, you will find that greater than 50% of them have no business being in college, they need to retake middle school first (this is more common in the south and SEC).
Citing graduation rates only amplifies the problem as schools are now graduating the students anyway to maintain their APR.
More importantly, the majority of football schools are syphoning money away from academic programs to maintain a failing football team. That is not part of the academic mission.
You like football, congratulations, enjoy it. That doesn't mean you have to go out of your way to defend it.
Basketball at some Universities is the same. I tend to dislike them because of it.
It seems like you have developed quite the narrative to defend your POV. Congratulations.
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It seems like you have developed quite the narrative to defend your POV. Congratulations.
It is all factual. That doesn't mean others can't enjoy it, by all means do so. It is sufficient to bother me and take away from any of the enjoyment though. No fault either way.
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We'll have to agree to disagree. I will point out that there is a lot more evidence out there. He is currently driving a black mercedes. Initial reports were that his father didn't even know where his kid got the money for it, later those statements magically changed. He was reportedly paid for signing autographs to buy rims for his car. Shortly after signing the autographs, rims appeared on his car. (Note just the act of signing those autographs is a violation). If this was Joe Schmoe at San Diego State University they would have been done for the year.
Do you know about Johnny Manziel's background? The family is LOADED with cash...absolutely loaded. Oil money that goes back several generations. For him to drive a mercedes is no big deal, that family is swimming in money.
So I don't think your premise is right when you don't even have the facts straight on this. Joe Schmoe at SDSU may not have the money background that Johnny Manziel does, and that is hugely important.
This might help a bit, hardly new news but a recent article getting into the family's wealth.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/aggies/article/Manziel-family-was-larger-than-life-long-before-4723092.php
This is also important because the kid doesn't need the money. Getting a few thousand dollars to sign autographs...why? He doesn't need it.
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Do you know about Johnny Manziel's background? The family is LOADED with cash...absolutely loaded. Oil money that goes back several generations. For him to drive a mercedes is no big deal, that family is swimming in money.
So I don't think your premise is right when you don't even have the facts straight on this. Joe Schmoe at SDSU may not have the money background that Johnny Manziel does, and that is hugely important.
This might help a bit, hardly new news but a recent article getting into the family's wealth.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/aggies/article/Manziel-family-was-larger-than-life-long-before-4723092.php
This is also important because the kid doesn't need the money. Getting a few thousand dollars to sign autographs...why? He doesn't need it.
I'm well aware of his families wealth, but when the father doesn't know where you get a $50k car from that is suspicious. To answer the why, because he can, kid is out of control.
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You do realize Marquette University offers online courses...right?
http://www.marquette.edu/cps/adult_degrees_org_online.shtml
http://www.marquette.edu/mucentral/registrar/snapshot/summer13/ss.php?s=index&by=online
Imagine being Manziel at TAMU going to class every day, being mugged by students, gawkers, etc...being analyzed in class at a different level than anyone else. Can't blame him for wanting to take some classes online. Many students are doing it now, including at MU, Harvard, Stanford, etc. Nothing wrong with it.
Historically, college football players have done better than college basketball players academically. Only a few road games, much less school missed (one day a week maximum), and the season covers only one semester, not two like college hoops.
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I'm well aware of his families wealth, but when the father doesn't know where you get a $50k car from that is suspicious. To answer the why, because he can, kid is out of control.
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His father is the one that bought the car for him. So I don't understand your comment at all.
Paragraph one. http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9521439/heisman-winner-johnny-manziel-celebrity-derail-texas-aggies-season-espn-magazine
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His father is the one that bought the car for him. So I don't understand your comment at all.
Paragraph one. http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9521439/heisman-winner-johnny-manziel-celebrity-derail-texas-aggies-season-espn-magazine
The father was interviewed very early on (articles throughout the South/SEC country) that he had no idea where he got the car from. Later he said he bought the car. Hence the suspicion.
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The father was interviewed very early on (articles throughout the South/SEC country) that he had no idea where he got the car from. Later he said he bought the car. Hence the suspicion.
Can you post some of those articles. I'd just be curious...maybe they were wrong...you know, like identifying the wrong killer for Mr. Lane that you brought up the other day.
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Can you post some of those articles. I'd just be curious...maybe they were wrong...you know, like identifying the wrong killer for Mr. Lane that you brought up the other day.
Its possible that the articles are wrong. But I have yet to meet a single person, including A&M fans that believes that Manziel wasn't taking money. A universal consensus is enough for me. If you think otherwise, fine, I have no problem with this. It is enough hypocrisy for me personally. That is it.
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On a side note. Northwestern 1-0. With their starting QB and RB not playing most of the game due to injury.
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Many athletes in football particularly are not students. The trend now is for the stars to take all their classes by internet (where they often don't even take the classes), others (see UNC) take manufactured classes or manufactured degrees (Life Science Communication) to retain eligibility.
No - the trend now is that all schools offer some internet classes to all students. But you say different to support your argument.
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Its possible that the articles are wrong. But I have yet to meet a single person, including A&M fans that believes that Manziel wasn't taking money. A universal consensus is enough for me.
Kinda like WMDs.
Nice to hear that you have no qualms about condemning someone without actual proof.
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On a side note. Northwestern 1-0. With their starting QB and RB not playing most of the game due to injury.
And gave up 30 points to the worst team in the Pac-12 who start a true freshman at QB..
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No - the trend now is that all schools offer some internet classes to all students. But you say different to support your argument.
No, your read different to attack my statement. Yes all schools offer some internet classes to all students to allow commuters easier access to an education. They are not designed for students who live on campus to avoid actually having to attend classes and skirt around NCAA requirements. Frankly, though I am against it in both cases. I think it, whether for athletes or commuters, dilutes the value of education, which is an ongoing issue in this country.
I do regret deterring this thread from a discussion of football. I had meant this as a one statement, I will protest football type of thing that has now got drawn out. In the interests of preserving this thread as a discussion of this football season. I will not post again on this issue.
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Nothing wrong with differing opinions cuz that's all they are. I just try to avoid all the off-field stuff.
Do I wish it didn't go on? Sure - but it does so I just watch what happens on the field.
You're absolutely right that a lot of student-athletes are really just athletes, but I don't think that will change with all the money thrown at college sports.
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SEC last seven years. Don't know about Bama running away with it because of Georgia, LSU, South Carolina and even Florida all loaded.
Too bad Bama doesn't play UGA, SC or Florida.
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On a side note. Northwestern 1-0. With their starting QB and RB not playing most of the game due to injury.
As I said earlier, they look good on paper with no injuries so far. Happy to see the cats survive a tough road opener shorthanded. I have to miss the first two home games (syracuse and western mich) but looking forward to some thrillers (as usual) again this year.
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As I said earlier, they look good on paper with no injuries so far. Happy to see the cats survive a tough road opener shorthanded. I have to miss the first two home games (syracuse and western mich) but looking forward to some thrillers (as usual) again this year.
Love to see the 'Cats do well - but don't know if they're going to be as good as expected. Hoping I'm wrong.
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Its possible that the articles are wrong. But I have yet to meet a single person, including A&M fans that believes that Manziel wasn't taking money. A universal consensus is enough for me. If you think otherwise, fine, I have no problem with this. It is enough hypocrisy for me personally. That is it.
He may very well have taken it, but just because people you have met say it isn't really saying a whole lot. He doesn't need the money, that's for sure. He does have a hot head, so who knows. At the end of the day, the NCAA needs some proof to levy punishment and there isn't any concrete proof...maybe some turns up. There were a lot of Wisconsin fans that said MU players used to be paid in the 1970's....maybe....I just need a bit more.
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But why did the NCAA give them an out? They had no proof but a ton of leverage if they believe he took the money. Put it on Johnny Football and the University to police themselves and continue to investigate. Would TAM not play him knowing he could cost them the season if they found evidence? Force him to come clean or say the whole season is in jeopardy and you will be the fall guy for forcing a top ten to be ruled ineligible halfway through the season. They may never catch him but its better than giving a meaningless half game suspension that reeked of self-interest since it made more people watch the game.
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But why did the NCAA give them an out? They had no proof but a ton of leverage if they believe he took the money. Put it on Johnny Football and the University to police themselves and continue to investigate. Would TAM not play him knowing he could cost them the season if they found evidence? Force him to come clean or say the whole season is in jeopardy and you will be the fall guy for forcing a top ten to be ruled ineligible halfway through the season. They may never catch him but its better than giving a meaningless half game suspension that reeked of self-interest since it made more people watch the game.
It sounds like you are saying come clean or else...what if there was nothing to come clean on?
From what I read, one autograph dealer claimed he paid him. There should be proof that he paid him, the NCAA interviewed this person and no proof was provided.
On the Mercedes thing, I cannot find any article that shows jr bought the car....plenty of innuendo from fans, but nothing that I can find. Maybe its there, but Yahoo, ESPN, etc aren't saying that. Yahoo has a reputation for going hard after these things, so I would expect if he did they wouldn't be shy about it. Or maybe they are still digging for evidence, I don't know.
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The father was interviewed very early on (articles throughout the South/SEC country) that he had no idea where he got the car from. Later he said he bought the car. Hence the suspicion.
Where was this reported? Can you provide a link?
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It sounds like you are saying come clean or else...what if there was nothing to come clean on?
From what I read, one autograph dealer claimed he paid him. There should be proof that he paid him, the NCAA interviewed this person and no proof was provided.
On the Mercedes thing, I cannot find any article that shows jr bought the car....plenty of innuendo from fans, but nothing that I can find. Maybe its there, but Yahoo, ESPN, etc aren't saying that. Yahoo has a reputation for going hard after these things, so I would expect if he did they wouldn't be shy about it. Or maybe they are still digging for evidence, I don't know.
Then the school and the player would never be worried. The "or else" only applies if they did something that would make him ineligible. Not sure why they accepted the half suspension if he did nothing wrong.
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Then the school and the player would never be worried. The "or else" only applies if they did something that would make him ineligible. Not sure why they accepted the half suspension if he did nothing wrong.
Texas A&M took it but Manziel didn't want to. My guess is that they did it because they didn't want something to affect them retroactively when they really don't know what happened.
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I agree, Skink, they simply want it behind them.
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I wouldn't watch college football. I hate it; mostly all the lopsided scores to start the season.
But with that said, I do wish Marquette had a football team (don't tell me why they shouldn't, I know all the arguments). I miss that atmosphere of football games in high school even though my high school team just won its first game in two and a half year two nights ago. The atmosphere of a college football game is something that everyone should experience.
Part of me hating it is perhaps jealousy mixed in with the fact that half the kids are crooks and have no desire to go to school or even belong in said school in the first place. I won't watch a single game. And we'll see where all the "Notre Dame fans" will be after this year.
Bama will roll and it'll be an all SEC championship game.
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I wouldn't watch college football. I hate it; mostly all the lopsided scores to start the season.
But with that said, I do wish Marquette had a football team (don't tell me why they shouldn't, I know all the arguments). I miss that atmosphere of football games in high school even though my high school team just won its first game in two and a half year two nights ago. The atmosphere of a college football game is something that everyone should experience.
Part of me hating it is perhaps jealousy mixed in with the fact that half the kids are crooks and have no desire to go to school or even belong in said school in the first place. I won't watch a single game. And we'll see where all the "Notre Dame fans" will be after this year.
Bama will roll and it'll be an all SEC championship game.
Not sure why Clemson decided to play at South Carolina to end their season. Had they lost to Georgia, they weren't going to the National Championship regardless of what they did the rest of the year. After beating Georgia, all they had to do was beat Florida State to go undefeated in the joke of an ACC and they're in the National Championship, having beaten LSU in their bowl game last year and Georgia to open the season. They really screwed themselves over there.
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Not sure why Clemson decided to play at South Carolina to end their season. Had they lost to Georgia, they weren't going to the National Championship regardless of what they did the rest of the year. After beating Georgia, all they had to do was beat Florida State to go undefeated in the joke of an ACC and they're in the National Championship, having beaten LSU in their bowl game last year and Georgia to open the season. They really screwed themselves over there.
Don't get ahead of yourself on Clemson. They will undoubtedly lose to Wake Forest or some other bottom feeder ACC school. Just like they do every year.
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Not sure why Clemson decided to play at South Carolina to end their season. Had they lost to Georgia, they weren't going to the National Championship regardless of what they did the rest of the year. After beating Georgia, all they had to do was beat Florida State to go undefeated in the joke of an ACC and they're in the National Championship, having beaten LSU in their bowl game last year and Georgia to open the season. They really screwed themselves over there.
Isn't Clemson vs South Carolina the big state rivalry game? When is it normally played?
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Isn't Clemson vs South Carolina the big state rivalry game? When is it normally played?
It is.
Typically the last part of season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina%E2%80%93Clemson_rivalry
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It is.
Typically the last part of season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina%E2%80%93Clemson_rivalry
Really? Never knew that. Makes sense now
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It is.
Typically the last part of season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina%E2%80%93Clemson_rivalry
That's what I thought. Most rivalry games are usually played at the end with a few minor exceptions like Florida vs FSU and Texas v Oklahoma.
I'm just glad Equalizer \ Hoop \ BMA \ Chicos all coordinated our efforts today properly (since we are the same people ::) )
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That's what I thought. Most rivalry games are usually played at the end with a few minor exceptions like Florida vs FSU and Texas v Oklahoma.
I think you mean Miami v. FSU. Florida v. FSU is always the last game of the regular season.
And Texas v. Oklahoma has always been played during the Texas State Fair. It started when they were in separate conferences and continued at the same date when the B12 was formed.
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Florida v Georgia is also always the last Saturday of October, and is dubbed the world's largest outdoor cocktail party.
C'mon man, I for sure would never confuse you with BMA. (Winky face)
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Too bad Bama doesn't play UGA, SC or Florida.
They'll play one of them in the SEC title game.
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I think you mean Miami v. FSU. Florida v. FSU is always the last game of the regular season.
And Texas v. Oklahoma has always been played during the Texas State Fair. It started when they were in separate conferences and continued at the same date when the B12 was formed.
Thank you....correct, Miami vs FSU. Michigan vs MSU is another. ND vs USC is end of year if at USC, but not quite if at ND.
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Florida v Georgia is also always the last Saturday of October, and is dubbed the world's largest outdoor cocktail party.
C'mon man, I for sure would never confuse you with BMA. (Winky face)
;) We have been accused of being "on the same side" in the past. I take it as a compliment. Gargling with Kool Aid while also hooked up to a Kool Aid IV makes Jack a dull boy.
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;) We have been accused of being "on the same side" in the past. I take it as a compliment. Gargling with Kool Aid while also hooked up to a Kool Aid IV makes Jack a dull boy.
LOL
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Kind of an ND fan (football-wise), but they are over-rated/hyped/ranked this year.
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Kind of an ND fan (football-wise), but they are over-rated/hyped/ranked this year.
And that is new...how?
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Brent Mushpucker and his ND butt love was tough to listen to last night
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Big game this week. Bama vs. Texas A&M
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26 hours away from potentially the biggest game in regular season history for Northwestern. I have been amped for this game the past 2 weeks and its almost here. I actually have a really good feeling about NUs chances tomorrow.
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26 hours away from potentially the biggest game in regular season history for Northwestern. I have been amped for this game the past 2 weeks and its almost here. I actually have a really good feeling about NUs chances tomorrow.
In no way am I a college football fan so you probably have a much better idea than I do, but I just cannot see it. Urban Meyer couldn't coach at Florida because it was too stressful to maintain a healthy lifestyle. Now he coaches in the B1G and he can nap through the regular season and have his assistants wake him when it's time to start prepping for the SEC Champion going into the National Championship (which absurdly gives him over a month of preperation).
We may see Urban Meyer retire the first time he loses a B1G game. Which may be 20 years from now. Then again with the "Final four" being implemented next year and the potential to face TWO SEC schools to have to win a National Championship he may get too stressed out and retire again.
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In no way am I a college football fan so you probably have a much better idea than I do, but I just cannot see it. Urban Meyer couldn't coach at Florida because it was too stressful to maintain a healthy lifestyle. Now he coaches in the B1G and he can nap through the regular season and have his assistants wake him when it's time to start prepping for the SEC Champion going into the National Championship (which absurdly gives him over a month of preperation).
We may see Urban Meyer retire the first time he loses a B1G game. Which may be 20 years from now. Then again with the "Final four" being implemented next year and the potential to face TWO SEC schools to have to win a National Championship he may get too stressed out and retire again.
Great game tonight. Disappointed to see NU lose but the B10 knows their only shot at the National Championship Game is Ohio State. The Cats were going to have to go above and beyond to win that one...and they almost did. That punt incorrectly marked as down at the 1 just before the blocked punt really changed the game. Still, an entertaining game to watch.
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Great game tonight. Disappointed to see NU lose but the B10 knows their only shot at the National Championship Game is Ohio State. The Cats were going to have to go above and beyond to win that one...and they almost did. That punt incorrectly marked as down at the 1 just before the blocked punt really changed the game. Still, an entertaining game to watch.
It was a good game. Northwestern is better than I thought they were. And I think Ohio State may not be as good as I thought they were. They may lose the B1G title game depending on who they play. If they make it to the National Championship I would expect the SEC representative to win by double digits. But the month off can bridge the gap at times. Only time will tell. (Again this is all my very non-expert opinion. College football doesn't do a whole lot for me.)
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Eff ohio state and anybody associated with them. That was such a horribly officiated game. Ohio st. is losing, better give them every call in the world. Complete BS. Bad non touchback call, bad fair catch interference call when the player didnt call for a fair catch. Bad call sending the OH st. touchdown to the booth when they never would have reviewed it if Meyer got his Personalle on the field and bad call when Colter got the 1st down on that 4th down attempt. Just absolutely awful, and I never blame the officials.
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I have actually never been more upset at an officiating crew in my life. Just dreadful. Cant wait to beat their ass in Indy in the B1G championship game. God damn it I am soooo pissed.
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Watched the A&M / Ole Miss game last night. Manziel really is a damn good college football player. Thoroughly entertaining.
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Watched the A&M / Ole Miss game last night. Manziel really is a damn good college football player. Thoroughly entertaining.
He's a better quarterback thus far this season than through early part of last season. However, you won't hear that as it doesn't fit ESPN's narrative. Shame, really, that seven figure salaried adults spend their life tearing down college kids.
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Great game tonight. Disappointed to see NU lose but the B10 knows their only shot at the National Championship Game is Ohio State. The Cats were going to have to go above and beyond to win that one...and they almost did. That punt incorrectly marked as down at the 1 just before the blocked punt really changed the game. Still, an entertaining game to watch.
What has happened to NW football?
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What has happened to NW football?
It's now called Northwesterning.
They find new ways to lose every game since Gameday.
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It's now called Northwesterning.
They find new ways to lose every game since Gameday.
the Detroit Lions of college football ;D
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Injuries happened. Mark played 1 full game against Ohio st. Colter still seems bothered by somrthing and their starting coner back went down the 1st game of the season. I had so much expectations for NU this year. I have never been more disappointed in one of teams then this season for any team, any sport, of any level.
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Injuries happened. Mark played 1 full game against Ohio st. Colter still seems bothered by somrthing and their starting coner back went down the 1st game of the season. I had so much expectations for NU this year. I have never been more disappointed in one of teams then this season for any team, any sport, of any level.
Injuries cannot entirely explain a winless conference season. Some people expected them to win the B1G.
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Injuries cannot entirely explain a winless conference season. Some people expected them to win the B1G.
So did I. Which is why I said the single most disappointing season of any od the sports teams I support. Like I have been floored by what transpired this year.
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oh. my. god.
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oh. my. god.
Called it. ;D That "weird" feeling was just that...weird play to bring it true.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=40554.msg535873#msg535873
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I have seen a lot of college football, and that was the best game I have witnessed.
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I have seen a lot of college football, and that was the best game I have witnessed.
One of my friends said that earlier. For me, it's still Boise/Oklahoma BCS game
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I have seen a lot of college football, and that was the best game I have witnessed.
+Infinity.
No words.
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One of my friends said that earlier. For me, it's still Boise/Oklahoma BCS game
That was also a great game. So was Miami - Boston College, Michigan vs Colorado, etc, etc. I've seen some crazy ones on tv over the years. Not sure I ever saw a game that big end like that, however.
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I didn't call Bama losing, but I called the return TD before they even snapped the ball. Said well before it that they should just throw up a Hail Mary. Nothing good was going to come of a field goal there.
Now I'm just hoping for complete chaos. Let's go Aggies tonight, then Missouri over Auburn in the SEC Championship game, MSU over OSU in the B1G Championship game, and Duke over FSU (only game that I cannot possibly see actually playing out that way) in the ACC Championship game.
Would be fun to see where everyone ended up if that all happened. Bama vs. Missouri for the National Championship?
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I didn't call Bama losing, but I called the return TD before they even snapped the ball. Said well before it that they should just throw up a Hail Mary. Nothing good was going to come of a field goal there.
Now I'm just hoping for complete chaos. Let's go Aggies tonight, then Missouri over Auburn in the SEC Championship game, MSU over OSU in the B1G Championship game, and Duke over FSU (only game that I cannot possibly see actually playing out that way) in the ACC Championship game.
Would be fun to see where everyone ended up if that all happened. Bama vs. Missouri for the National Championship?
If the Aggies win tonight, South Carolina goes to the SEC Championship Game. But yeah...
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If the Aggies win tonight, South Carolina goes to the SEC Championship Game. But yeah...
Gotcha. Didn't know what the tiebreakers were. Go Gamecocks then.
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Gotcha. Didn't know what the tiebreakers were. Go Gamecocks then.
Gamecocks beat Mizzou head to head...and are playing out of conference v. Clemson tonight. Missouri blew a 17-0 4th quarter lead at home in that game.
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I'd like to nominate today's middling Penn State team walking into Camp Randall and manhandling the Vadgers as one of my favorite games as well.
;D
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I'd like to nominate today's middling Penn State team walking into Camp Randall and manhandling the Vadgers as one of my favorite games as well.
;D
Conspiracy Theory Alert: Macfarlane killed off Brian cause he's sick of the show and wants people to stop watching.
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You guys have hit on a lot of my top games, and today is added to the list. We stopped watching the game after Auburn tied it; put it on mute in the basement to rewind for the ot after dinner. Ate dinner, went downstairs, hit rewind and watched as the game (really, just 15 minutes of celebrating) rewound, and until we watched it going forward, couldn't figure out what could have happened. Holy Schnikies!
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I didn't call Bama losing, but I called the return TD before they even snapped the ball. Said well before it that they should just throw up a Hail Mary. Nothing good was going to come of a field goal there.
Now I'm just hoping for complete chaos. Let's go Aggies tonight, then Missouri over Auburn in the SEC Championship game, MSU over OSU in the B1G Championship game, and Duke over FSU (only game that I cannot possibly see actually playing out that way) in the ACC Championship game.
Would be fun to see where everyone ended up if that all happened. Bama vs. Missouri for the National Championship?
Ohio st easily could have lost today; won't surprise me if Mich St takes them down.
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Ohio st easily could have lost today; won't surprise me if Mich St takes them down.
Agreed. I just don't know if MSU can score enough.
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Ohio st easily could have lost today; won't surprise me if Mich St takes them down.
No disagreement with Mich going for 2. But how do you not move Gardner around in some sort of run/pass option?
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Two in a row over SUCK. Go Bruins!
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No disagreement with Mich going for 2. But how do you not move Gardner around in some sort of run/pass option?
Gardner was limping for much of the 2nd half, might have limited his mobility. According to OSU, they were very, very prepared for the 2 point conversion. Normally, if I was the home team I would go to OT but given how unstoppable OSU's running game seemed to be in the second half I agree with Hoke's call.
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Gardner was limping for much of the 2nd half, might have limited his mobility. According to OSU, they were very, very prepared for the 2 point conversion. Normally, if I was the home team I would go to OT but given how unstoppable OSU's running game seemed to be in the second half I agree with Hoke's call.
Not to mention what does Michigan have to lose? Maybe a worse bowl than whatever bad bowl they were already going to be in? If they win they knock their biggest rival out of a chance to go to the National Championship. The risk far outweighs the reward, especially considering how their offense had been playing.
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Two in a row over SUCK. Go Bruins!
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I thought I like you! ;) Fight on!
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The BCS standings as of today are a joke. Form where im sitting, Auburn beating Alabama is an argument to put Auburn in the National Championship game, not an argument to take Alabama out. The schedules Florida State and Ohio State have played simply do not compete. Yet if they both win next week, they'll be in, which is a joke. (though I think Auburn still has a chance). With a win over Mizzou, Auburn and Alabama both appear more deserving.
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The BCS standings as of today are a joke. Form where im sitting, Auburn beating Alabama is an argument to put Auburn in the National Championship game, not an argument to take Alabama out. The schedules Florida State and Ohio State have played simply do not compete. Yet if they both win next week, they'll be in, which is a joke. (though I think Auburn still has a chance). With a win over Mizzou, Auburn and Alabama both appear more deserving.
In a rarity, you and I agree on something. Not so much that Auburn deserves it, but my problem is that if OSU played in the SEC I find it very difficult to believe they would be undefeated, yet this is the rationale that voters are using...that OSU is undefeated. Well, Alabama would be undefeated in the Big Ten as well most likely. So would LSU and Auburn. I appreciate that OSU has done some wonderful things, but the schedule means something here. The gauntlet of the SEC is a lot different than that of the Big 10, especially when OSU has struggled with several Big Ten teams, including Northwestern, Wisconsin, Michigan and Iowa.
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Don't blame the BCS, blame the human voters.
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In a rarity, you and I agree on something. Not so much that Auburn deserves it, but my problem is that if OSU played in the SEC I find it very difficult to believe they would be undefeated, yet this is the rationale that voters are using...that OSU is undefeated. Well, Alabama would be undefeated in the Big Ten as well most likely. So would LSU and Auburn. I appreciate that OSU has done some wonderful things, but the schedule means something here. The gauntlet of the SEC is a lot different than that of the Big 10, especially when OSU has struggled with several Big Ten teams, including Northwestern, Wisconsin, Michigan and Iowa.
LSU lost to Ole Miss, who would have been average in the Big10. Auburn struggled with Washington St. To say that LSU/Auburn would be undefeated in the Big10 is a large stretch.
Fact of the matter is you can only play who is on your schedule everything else is speculation. A lot can happen on the field.
If you are trying to point out that the college football system sucks then you are right.
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Project out a year. Under the future system, in your opinion, which 4 teams should be in the playoff? Of course, if you want real chaos, root for Duke and Sparty.
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LSU lost to Ole Miss, who would have been average in the Big10. Auburn struggled with Washington St. To say that LSU/Auburn would be undefeated in the Big10 is a large stretch.
Fact of the matter is you can only play who is on your schedule everything else is speculation. A lot can happen on the field.
If you are trying to point out that the college football system sucks then you are right.
Yes, a lot can happen on the field. USC also lost to Washington State. I know the SEC is rated #1 this year and the Big Ten #4 in conferences. The rest is speculation, but I do wonder what it is like to go through the pounding of Auburn, South Carolina, Florida, Texas A&M, Missouri, etc, etc vs playing Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, etc...you actually get some "bye" weeks in the Big Ten that you rarely get in the SEC. Even Vanderbilt is good this year. The wear and tear and the level of difficulty is so much harder to go undefeated in the SEC vs the Big Ten, is my ultimate point. OSU has an easier road.
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Project out a year. Under the future system, in your opinion, which 4 teams should be in the playoff? Of course, if you want real chaos, root for Duke and Sparty.
Bama
OSU
FSU
TBD on 4th team. I still think Bama is the 2nd best team in the country, despite the loss on Saturday.
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Project out a year. Under the future system, in your opinion, which 4 teams should be in the playoff? Of course, if you want real chaos, root for Duke and Sparty.
At this moment...Auburn, Alabama, FSU, OSU.
If Mizzou beats Auburn...I'll have to think about it (assuming OSU and FSu win), but Alabama, FSU, and Mizzou for sure. I might think about Auburn over OSU, but probably not.
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Go Duke, Go Mizzou, Go Sparty. Inject some real chaos.