COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[JWags85]

While this was an excellent post, I think you unwittingly are comparing these two things as being similar. Lies and truth are not equal comparisons.


From all that you post here, I know that is not what you are saying. But it is wrong to say that people telling the truth (Health/Lives/Science) are helping to divide the country.

Lies divide. Truth is just that - truth.

You know very well that even “health” based messaging can be divisive and used as political leverage. Look at Oregon and their absurd outdoor mask mandate.  It’s purely theatrical to show how conscientious and “science focused” they are for political capital. And opposing it aligns you with anti-vaxx mask haters cause everything is all or nothing these days.  Or liberal leaning news/media outlets who relentless stoke fear with statistic reporting. Facts and truth can be shaped just like a lie.

 “COVID deaths in X county are up 200% since last month as an outbreak explodes. Mask mandates are needed immediately”…when deaths rose to 3 from 1.

I know it’s hard for you to admit Dems do anything wrong since they aren’t the “killers” in red, but both sides have been furiously pushing the COVID button for political gain.

[Jockey]

Well, if you want to use Oregon as an example, I’ll use Florida. Their deaths have not gone from 1 to 3.

Their cases have skyrocketed higher than ever. And like it or not, it is purely political. Families are being told their kids don’t matter cuz DeSantis wants to be re-elected and the base must be fed. Follow trump’s lead.

They are too stupid to know that trump would have easily won if he had shown even an ounce of sympathy for suffering families.

[JWags85]

Well, if you want to use Oregon as an example, I’ll use Florida. Their deaths have not gone from 1 to 3.

Their cases have skyrocketed higher than ever. And like it or not, it is purely political. Families are being told their kids don’t matter cuz DeSantis wants to be re-elected and the base must be fed. Follow trump’s lead.

They are too stupid to know that trump would have easily won if he had shown even an ounce of sympathy for suffering families.

Way to not even remotely address my point to screech about DeSantis and Trump again. On brand.  I didn’t once defend them or Florida 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Wags, stop expecting complex replies from Jockey.  His go to is hyperbole, which doesn't really stand up to logical thought.

[Johnny B]

20 psychos protesting outside of my local clinic cause the staff need a vax to work there. stop the mandate and usa flags baby. how do we live in the same country as these ppl. a medical facility cant require vaccines to work there?

[MU82]

From the Washington Post:

In Southern states, pediatric ICUs are at or near capacity with record numbers of severely ill children. They include newborns just weeks or months old and previously healthy children — almost unheard of in previous waves — reinforcing the idea that this is a virus that can strike anyone.

“Is it that we have more cases overall and this is a more transmissible virus? Or is it something about delta? It’s too early to tell, and if anyone is making assumptions, they are not basing it on rigorous data, as there are not rigorous data,” said Adrienne Randolph, a researcher at Boston Children’s Hospital who is leading a nationwide study on covid-19 in children. “However my colleagues in ICUs have reported many more severe cases.” ...

In Arkansas just outside Little Rock, Tate Ezzi, 44, and his pregnant wife Christine, 39, parents to five young children, have been urging the vaccine-wary to revaluate their stance since both were hospitalized and she lost the pregnancy after attending a birthday party at a skating rink. In Texas, Lydia Rodriguez, 42, died this month of covid-19, two weeks after her husband Lawrence’s death from the same disease, orphaning their four children. And in Florida, a 52-year-old mother died and the father was still in the hospital as of this week.

[forgetful]

Previously I commented on how anything that stresses the Houston medical system further, would lead to unnecessary deaths.

Sadly, a veteran died of a gallstone. Not because it wasn't preventable, but because there were no available facilities to treat him, because of all the beds being taken up for COVID.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-veteran-dies-from-gallstone-pancreatitis-as-covid-crisis-impacts-those-who-dont-have-virus/285-44cc982f-bba0-43e5-b51f-bbb607ad45fc

Two tours of duty. A Purple Heart. Died because people refuse to wear masks and get a vaccine.

Sad and depressing.

[jesmu84]

https://twitter.com/DocJeffD/status/1431377031275507717?s=19

[tower912]

Forgetful, what do suppose is going to happen to the Texas hospital system when they add in the Lousiana refugees post Ida?

[pbiflyer]

Previously I commented on how anything that stresses the Houston medical system further, would lead to unnecessary deaths.

Sadly, a veteran died of a gallstone. Not because it wasn't preventable, but because there were no available facilities to treat him, because of all the beds being taken up for COVID.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-veteran-dies-from-gallstone-pancreatitis-as-covid-crisis-impacts-those-who-dont-have-virus/285-44cc982f-bba0-43e5-b51f-bbb607ad45fc

Two tours of duty. A Purple Heart. Died because people refuse to wear masks and get a vaccine.

Sad and depressing.

I was assured Covid was over for him.

[MU82]

From an AP article about how difficult it has been to do contact tracing for the delta variant:

Some states trimmed their contact tracing teams this spring and summer when virus numbers were dropping and are now scrambling to train new investigators. Others have triaged their teams to focus on the most vulnerable, such as cases involving schools or children too young to be vaccinated.

Texas got out of the business entirely, with the new two-year state budget that takes effect Sept. 1 explicitly prohibiting funds being used for contact tracing. That left it up to local health officials, but they can’t keep up at a time when Texas is averaging more than 16,000 new cases a day.

What is it with these governors and legislators? OK ... don't mandate masks, don't mandate vaccines, don't have robust contact-tracing departments ... we get it, you're dealing with constituents who boo the former president they worship just for mentioning that the vaccine works. But what's with the steady diet of prohibitions of measures that are scientifically proven to mitigate the severity of the virus?

Threatening fines and legal actions against private businesses that want to protect their employees and customers ... threatening to withhold funding to school districts that mandate vaccines and/or masks ... prohibiting contact tracing.

What's with actively, aggressively undermining efforts to protect the lives and well-being of their own citizens? It's frustrating and pathetic.

[forgetful]

Forgetful, what do suppose is going to happen to the Texas hospital system when they add in the Lousiana refugees post Ida?

Was thinking about this last night, and really the best hope for both Texas (really Houston area because that is where hurricane refugees flock to) and Louisiana is that the storm didn't actually strengthen, or weakened.

Neither happened, now at almost category 5. The hospital systems in both states are near the breaking point. Frankly, if the hurricane adds to this burden significantly, people will just end up going without care, with likely deaths.

[Jockey]

Previously I commented on how anything that stresses the Houston medical system further, would lead to unnecessary deaths.

Sadly, a veteran died of a gallstone. Not because it wasn't preventable, but because there were no available facilities to treat him, because of all the beds being taken up for COVID.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-veteran-dies-from-gallstone-pancreatitis-as-covid-crisis-impacts-those-who-dont-have-virus/285-44cc982f-bba0-43e5-b51f-bbb607ad45fc

Two tours of duty. A Purple Heart. Died because people refuse to wear masks and get a vaccine.

Sad and depressing.

A perfect example of why I have such contempt for these people who refuse to get vaccinated.

[tower912]

At this point, anti-vaxxers are really just pimping for the virus.   Choosing the health and spread of the virus over the health of their families, chuldren, and loved ones.   


Go, COVID!

[TSmith34, Inc.]

At this point, anti-vaxxers are really just pimping for the virus.   Choosing the health and spread of the virus over the health of their families, chuldren, and loved ones.   


Go, COVID!

As are those that are themselves vaccinated but continue to support the politicians and media that spread disinformation, pretend suspicion about the vaccine, and actively work against solving the problem in order to gain financially and politically.

[Pakuni]

Not a rerun.
Yet another anti-vax conservative radio host has died of COVID.

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/08/29/3rd-conservative-radio-host-who-condemned-vaccines-dies-of-covid-1390555

[MU82]

From the NYT:

The E.U. is set to reimpose travel restrictions on visitors from the U.S. The restrictions, which were mostly lifted in June, could range from a required quarantine to a ban on nonessential travel. (The suggestions from the European Council are not mandatory, so each country can decide whether to apply them.) The move is a response to rising case counts in the U.S., which has averaged more than 100,000 Covid-19 hospitalizations a day for the past week.

[jficke13]

Not a rerun.
Yet another anti-vax conservative radio host has died of COVID.

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/08/29/3rd-conservative-radio-host-who-condemned-vaccines-dies-of-covid-1390555

Look at the anti-vax talking heads who've died. It's not the national tv people. It's not the politicians. Those people are in on the grift and have gotten the vaccine themselves and are just profiting off the fear. The people who die are the midlevel dudes, local talkers, too small to be in on the grift. They're the true believers.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Comments or thoughts from the sciencers?

This new antibody can stop all COVID-19 strains, including new variants, experts say
https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/8/27/22643254/antibody-stops-covid-19-coronavirus-variants-delta-lambda

"A team of researchers may have found an antibody that can neutralize all known novel coronavirus strains, including the developing variants.

GlaxoSmithKline and Vir Biotechnology recently conducted a huge collaborative study by scientists and developed a new antibody therapy, called Sotrovimab. During the project, they discovered a new natural antibody “that has remarkable breadth and efficacy,” according to the Berkeley Lab."

[Jockey]

Look at the anti-vax talking heads who've died. It's not the national tv people. It's not the politicians. Those people are in on the grift and have gotten the vaccine themselves and are just profiting off the fear. The people who die are the midlevel dudes, local talkers, too small to be in on the grift. They're the true believers.

"Suckers" may be a better term.

[jficke13]

"Suckers" may be a better term.

Sure, but that's semantics. What's interesting to me is the distinction between the people of prominence who are "just asking questions" despite being fully vaccinated while happily profiting off of the death and misery they enable, and the people on the ground who have bought into the lies hook line and sinker.

[Hards Alumni]

Comments or thoughts from the sciencers?

This new antibody can stop all COVID-19 strains, including new variants, experts say
https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/8/27/22643254/antibody-stops-covid-19-coronavirus-variants-delta-lambda

"A team of researchers may have found an antibody that can neutralize all known novel coronavirus strains, including the developing variants.

GlaxoSmithKline and Vir Biotechnology recently conducted a huge collaborative study by scientists and developed a new antibody therapy, called Sotrovimab. During the project, they discovered a new natural antibody “that has remarkable breadth and efficacy,” according to the Berkeley Lab."

Neat.  But can it be mass produced and distributed?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Neat.  But can it be mass produced and distributed?

A good question, but first, let's prove it even works. That's why I'd like the insight of the folks on this board that know a whole lot more on the subject than me.

[Skatastrophy]

Comments or thoughts from the sciencers?

This new antibody can stop all COVID-19 strains, including new variants, experts say
https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/8/27/22643254/antibody-stops-covid-19-coronavirus-variants-delta-lambda

"A team of researchers may have found an antibody that can neutralize all known novel coronavirus strains, including the developing variants.

GlaxoSmithKline and Vir Biotechnology recently conducted a huge collaborative study by scientists and developed a new antibody therapy, called Sotrovimab. During the project, they discovered a new natural antibody “that has remarkable breadth and efficacy,” according to the Berkeley Lab."

> all known novel coronavirus strains

So they're saying they can eliminate the common cold?

[Jockey]

Sure, but that's semantics. What's interesting to me is the distinction between the people of prominence who are "just asking questions" despite being fully vaccinated while happily profiting off of the death and misery they enable, and the people on the ground who have bought into the lies hook line and sinker.

Yeah, I fully agree with that. But that is the way life is. Most politicians who clamor for war have no stake either. They are playing with other people's lives, not their own.