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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Brewtown Andy on September 16, 2010, 09:10:16 AM
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http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindducksbeat/2010/09/oregon_says_eligibility_of_for.html
Um.
So, I know this is in response to Michael Dunigan going to Isreal, and I know my gut reaction should be to trust that Buzz & the athletic department did their due diligence on Jamil Wilson, but this is at least slightly concerning, right?
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The reference to "members" is disconcerting. I don't have the ability to check now to see how many "former members" of the team there are in the timeframe referenced, but that would provide some insight. I sure hope MU doesn't become part of the story as it goes forward.
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NOW, Oregon is looking into the eligibility of FORMER members???
Sounds like they have an axe to grind.
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Well, even in the worst case scenario, Wilson has a year to get his house in order before he takes the floor.
A freshman transferring is not that big of a deal. Players and non-players do it for a variety of good reasons. I am surprised Oregon would spend time on this.
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#1) It seems that retroactively looking into players' eligibility would be most applicable if you have a situation where something was either covered-up or not uncovered when the clearinghouse did it's initial review -- in other words, foreign players whose academic and athletic histories are not well documented or "elite" players who play for guys like John Calipari.
#2) What sort of eligibility are we talking here?
Amateur? I'm pretty sure Jamil hasn't played professionally, and he doesn't exactly strike me as "elite" enough to have been garnering beni's from agents, coaches, etc.
Academic qualified? MU surely already has this information. Oregon surely had the information. Racine School District already has this information. If the NCAA hasn't said anything by now, this is
Academic performance? I would assume that MU has Jamil's transcript from Oregon. Even if there was grade embellishment (i.e. Jamil received grades he didn't earn), that's on Oregon, not MU. Regardless, as previously indicated, he has a year to "right the ship."
A non-issue for Jamil and MU in my opinion. I could be wrong, but I hope not.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5578250
Michael Dunigan quits Oregon for Israel.
An ESPN article that may add some info on the situation
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NOW, Oregon is looking into the eligibility of FORMER members???
Sounds like they have an axe to grind.
This has nothing to do with that. They are making sure that they do their due dilligence for the sake of their own program. They may look into Jamil's situation, but I doubt they'll find anything.
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Why no current players?
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Maybe there are no suspicions around current players.
Look, no program really has the time or the energy to worry about trying to get payback on players that transfer out of the program. They just want to make sure to CYA to keep their programs from getting hit too hard with sanctions. It serves Oregon no good to blackball Jamil Wilson for the sake of blackballing Jamil Wilson.
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Not saying they're picking out one player. Investigating 5 or so that leave, none within the program. What a coincidence... What are the odds of that actually being on the up and up? Perhaps they're trying to make it look like they're policing themselves in front of the NCAA, without affecting their current roster?
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Well, unless Jamil did something wrong, he really has nothing to worry about. If he did take illegal benefits of some sort, then he doesn't deserve to play anyway.
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Why don't you check with Lenny's sources, he seems to have the picture painting down pat :o
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=21408.25
I'll leave it at that, but as he will state (if he's honest about it), there is a reason why I "squirm". I wouldn't be all that surprised about anything coming out of this....and that goes both ways (it might amount to nothing and then again).
But Lenny will fill you in. ::)
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Why don't you check with Lenny's sources, he seems to have the picture painting down pat :o
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=21408.25
I'll leave it at that, but as he will state (if he's honest about it), there is a reason why I "squirm". I wouldn't be all that surprised about anything coming out of this....and that goes both ways (it might amount to nothing and then again).
But Lenny will fill you in. ::)
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Sounds to me like you know absolutely nothing concrete. And why am I not surprised you are sitting here patting yourself on the back when based on the above there is no way you can possibly be wrong. "it might be something...but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not"
WTF is that?
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Why don't you check with Lenny's sources, he seems to have the picture painting down pat :o
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=21408.25
I'll leave it at that, but as he will state (if he's honest about it), there is a reason why I "squirm". I wouldn't be all that surprised about anything coming out of this....and that goes both ways (it might amount to nothing and then again).
But Lenny will fill you in. ::)
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Hey Chicos,
If you actually have something, then out with it. All this beating around the bush is really annoying, and does nobody any good.
If, as I suspect, you are just trying to be provocative (and I mean that in the worst sense of the word), give it a rest. Nobody on this board loves quoting long-ago threads to make themselves look like Nostradamus as much as you, so I guess this is just your m.o. As ATL says, you are saying so little that there is no real way you will be completely wrong. Thats a piss-poor way of making a point, if you ask me.
chicos: "it could be this, or it could be that. just don't say i didn't warn you"
chicos (4 months later): "Told you! you all have your heads in the sand. But I'll just leave it at that"
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No one is Nostradamus or pretending to be. I don't like what I've been hearing for awhile on certain things. And when I say I don't like what I'm hearing, that doesn't necessarily mean something illegal is going on. Things like recruiting kids that already have verballed to other schools, I don't like it but we do it now. That stuff makes me squirm, especially when in years past we screamed bloody murder when schools did it against us. Bad Ju-Ju in my opinion.
And sorry, but if you think I'm stupid enough to put what I've heard on a public board... you're crazy. I have no way of knowing if it's concrete, or if one school is upset at another, or a player just being goofy. So sorry, not going there. But, I was not surprised at all to see that news report come out of Oregon on Dunigan. And some of you might say, what does Dunigan have to do with Marquette. Ask Lenny's sources....they apparently paint pictures well. :o Would it surprise me if other players are mentioned further in this story? No.
In the meantime, I'll just squirm and rely on Lenny's sources and pray they are right. I'll strike it up as a pure coincidence with what appeared in the Oregon news a few days ago is remarkably similar to what I've been hearing for months from some folks from Pac Ten schools here on the left coast. Purely coincidental.
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Do you even like Marquette? You never have anything positive to say about the program
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im just really sick of everyone inflating their own sense of self importance with whatever their sources might be.
if you have sources you can talk about, please do so. if you dont, shut up - no one cares that you have them, we only care about what info you can reputably tell everyone.
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Jamil Wilson's academic standing is fine.
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im just really sick of everyone inflating their own sense of self importance with whatever their sources might be.
if you have sources you can talk about, please do so. if you dont, shut up - no one cares that you have them, we only care about what info you can reputably tell everyone.
+1
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im just really sick of everyone inflating their own sense of self importance with whatever their sources might be.
if you have sources you can talk about, please do so. if you dont, shut up - no one cares that you have them, we only care about what info you can reputably tell everyone.
amen brother (or sister).
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No one is Nostradamus or pretending to be. I don't like what I've been hearing for awhile on certain things. And when I say I don't like what I'm hearing, that doesn't necessarily mean something illegal is going on. Things like recruiting kids that already have verballed to other schools, I don't like it but we do it now. That stuff makes me squirm, especially when in years past we screamed bloody murder when schools did it against us. Bad Ju-Ju in my opinion.
And sorry, but if you think I'm stupid enough to put what I've heard on a public board... you're crazy. I have no way of knowing if it's concrete, or if one school is upset at another, or a player just being goofy. So sorry, not going there. But, I was not surprised at all to see that news report come out of Oregon on Dunigan. And some of you might say, what does Dunigan have to do with Marquette. Ask Lenny's sources....they apparently paint pictures well. :o Would it surprise me if other players are mentioned further in this story? No.
In the meantime, I'll just squirm and rely on Lenny's sources and pray they are right. I'll strike it up as a pure coincidence with what appeared in the Oregon news a few days ago is remarkably similar to what I've been hearing for months from some folks from Pac Ten schools here on the left coast. Purely coincidental.
When did other schools do this against us, and when did we scream bloody murder? Seriously, just having a kid transfer doesn't mean he was recruited out, I can't think of a time when I felt a kid was recruited away more than simply didn't want to be here...or when I saw this board scream bloody murder over it and accuse another team.
But please, keep covering all your bases so you are never wrong....so far your statements have equaled - "I'm won't be surprised if anything happens or doesn't happen." Thanks for the insight.
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Jamil Wilson's academic standing is fine.
Thats all I need to hear. From a real source no less!
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"An undisclosed number of former players are involved in this investigation, which reportedly includes fellow Chicagoans Matthew Humphrey and Josh Crittle, both of whom transferred after Ernie Kent's dismissal in March."
Mean Streets connection?
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindducksbeat/2010/09/oregon_basketball_michael_duni_2.html
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I just got word from Chico's sources about some really big stuff...that might end up being small stuff...or nothing at all. I can't tell you who or what it's about or if it will actually happen but if something does (or does not) happen, just remember that you heard it from me first. You're welcome!
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Do you even like Marquette? You never have anything positive to say about the program
Damn....you know if only you could have found a way to say NEVER and ALWAYS you could have won the daily double. Sorry, but whenever people use NEVER and ALWAYS I can tell right away they're full of crap because it's such a lazy response and ridiculously untrue.
But yes, I like love Marquette. If I criticize the gov't, does that mean I hate the USA? If I come down on my kids does that mean I hate them? Of course not. Sounds like you only want fanboys here.
You'll have to answer that question because I know where my heart is at....with MU and to do things the right way. I don't think that's asking a lot. It means things like, when a kid has verballed to another school, honor that verbal commitment. It means when accepting a LOI, we honor that LOI. Etc, etc (which I won't get into now). Not asking the world here. Just common sense stuff. Some of you don't agree, that's fine. It's a free country. Doesn't mean I love MU any less than anyone else.
MarkCharles.....academics was never an issue nor did anyone ever say it was. I'm thrilled MM confirmed that, but it was unnecessary as it has nothing to do with the situation at hand.
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Boy, do I wish MarkMiller had as many posts as Chicos. (Yes I realize he has a website he actually gets paid for, but I'm just sayin.)
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I just got word from Chico's sources about some really big stuff...that might end up being small stuff...or nothing at all. I can't tell you who or what it's about or if it will actually happen but if something does (or does not) happen, just remember that you heard it from me first. You're welcome!
Haha, these seriously are among my favorite threads. "I know something but I can't tell you." Seems to have died down a bit since the Crean era. I also miss, from that era, the pre-emptive complaining about the complainers thread right after a game loss.
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Haha, these seriously are among my favorite threads. "I know something but I can't tell you." Seems to have died down a bit since the Crean era. I also miss, from that era, the pre-emptive complaining about the complainers thread right after a game loss.
Oh don't worry, the season isn't far off. It may not be pre-emptive, but there will surely be more complaining about complainers than actual complaining. Then there will be complaining about the complainers that complain about the complainers who complain.
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Some people just like to complain. In politics, we call them ________ (your least favorite group here).
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Chicos should switch to be being a Badger fan since I hear they do everything perfectly clean and morally....
Or, maybe Buzz should ask WWTCD? (What Would Tom Crean Do?) since he was a perfect model human being...
with fans like chico's, we don't need louisville or WVU or any other hater fans bases...
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I'm going to defend Chicos a bit here. He is in a position to know some things. Other people on this board are as well. I have two good friends that work in B10 athletic departments and another good friend, who I have referenced here before, who family member is a national college basketball writer whose name we would all know here. I have talked about Buzz and MU hoops with all of these people repeatedly...I don't share the details because I can't confirm.
But I can say this. Everyone says Buzz is "different," and like all people with that label, they are looked upon with some degree of admiration and some degree of suspicion...sometimes even within the same sentence. Is it based upon sour grapes? Is it because his reputation for being a little odd? Or is there really something there...I don't know.
So you can either take what Chicos says at face value, or you can trash him...but if you trash him and he turns out to be right, you better acknowledge it.
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And when I say I don't like what I'm hearing, that doesn't necessarily mean something illegal is going on. Things like recruiting kids that already have verballed to other schools, I don't like it but we do it now.
Who is/are the players you speak of? Not saying Buzz has or hasnt done it, it would just be interesting to hear facts. Roughly two years ago I recall Dixon, Wright and Boeheim trying to spearhead a movement that prohibited coaches from recruiting kids who had already verballed (to other BE schoools). They tried to start with BE coaches in hope the sentiment would spread nationally. I guess I just figured it was Calhoun, Pitino and Huggybear that blew them off; I suppose there could have been more though (since you suggest Buzz is one).
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I am sure that chico has heard things. Here is my issue. My daughter is at a high school that sends about 1 player a year total to D1. That is combined boys and girls in all sports. Even in this sheltered little world, you 'hear things.' I 'heard things' about TC's recruiting 5 years ago. I 'heard things' about Keno Davis. I have 'heard things' about Lloyd Carr, Brett Bielema, Tom Izzo. I take them all with a grain of salt.
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I'm going to defend Chicos a bit here. He is in a position to know some things. Other people on this board are as well. I have two good friends that work in B10 athletic departments and another good friend, who I have referenced here before, who family member is a national college basketball writer whose name we would all know here. I have talked about Buzz and MU hoops with all of these people repeatedly...I don't share the details because I can't confirm.
But I can say this. Everyone says Buzz is "different," and like all people with that label, they are looked upon with some degree of admiration and some degree of suspicion...sometimes even within the same sentence. Is it based upon sour grapes? Is it because his reputation for being a little odd? Or is there really something there...I don't know.
So you can either take what Chicos says at face value, or you can trash him...but if you trash him and he turns out to be right, you better acknowledge it.
Hater.
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I am sure that chico has heard things. Here is my issue. My daughter is at a high school that sends about 1 player a year total to D1. That is combined boys and girls in all sports. Even in this sheltered little world, you 'hear things.' I 'heard things' about TC's recruiting 5 years ago. I 'heard things' about Keno Davis. I have 'heard things' about Lloyd Carr, Brett Bielema, Tom Izzo. I take them all with a grain of salt.
Don't you think that Chicos sources are a little better than yours?
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Sounds to me like you know absolutely nothing concrete. And why am I not surprised you are sitting here patting yourself on the back when based on the above there is no way you can possibly be wrong. "it might be something...but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not"
WTF is that?
It's called being a four year old going, "I know a secret, nya nya nya nya nya nya!" If you have something spill it or don't post anything.
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So you can either take what Chicos says at face value, or you can trash him...but if you trash him and he turns out to be right, you better acknowledge it.
Sultan, just what is he actually saying?? Vague references and saying, "Well, if you knew what I know" is really weak stuff.
Ironic coming from a poster that consistently ripped Badger fans for this same behavior (Shady stuff is going on, but I won't post any real details) when they tried to trash a past MU coach.
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Chicos should switch to be being a Badger fan since I hear they do everything perfectly clean and morally....
Or, maybe Buzz should ask WWTCD? (What Would Tom Crean Do?) since he was a perfect model human being...
with fans like chico's, we don't need louisville or WVU or any other hater fans bases...
Pretty silly Madtown. TC was hardly perfect and did some things that I don't care for either, but almost all of them were on the personal front with 2 or 3 exceptions. But yeah, on the personal front, there are some whoppers that he pulled that would land him in the Hall of Fame of Douchebaggery.
A Badger fan....no thanks. I think Bo is a complete douche after some of the stunts he has pulled at UWM and then UW, especially with the funeral - limo B.S. that involved his comments on Pearl.
Your post illustrates how group think works to a tee. I'll love MU until the day I die, that doesn't stop me from being concerned about some things the university does and acts. No different than my country, myself, etc. But there is no doubting where my fandom is and your post is just silly on all levels.
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I spoke to Freeway and confirmed whatever Chicos is alluding to. I'm now squirmy. My fiancee is not pleased because it bothers her when I squirm.
Details to follow.
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I spoke to Freeway and confirmed whatever Chicos is alluding to. I'm now squirmy. My fiancee is not pleased because it bothers her when I squirm.
Details to follow.
My suspicion is that Buzz is the mastermind of a plot to use homeless men as a recruiting tool, as they are not closely watched by the NCAA. Freeway would be the perfect resource to confirm these rumors. Good job.
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MarkCharles.....academics was never an issue nor did anyone ever say it was. I'm thrilled MM confirmed that, but it was unnecessary as it has nothing to do with the situation at hand.
Forgive me for not understanding what you were referring to with your unbelievably vague and abstract implications. I guess maybe what you were actually saying got lost in all the whistling and squirming.
Ok, if academics is not at issue, then what is? Benefits? Recruiting Wilson while he was still at Oregon? Please enlighten us...
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Don't you think that Chicos sources are a little better than yours?
I have been bantering with chico for the better part of 6 years between here, scout, and jsonline. We've agreed, we've vehemently disagreed, he's called me dumb, I've called him dumb, whatever. I am completely aware of his academic history, his history with MU, Crean, Dish, IU, Kansas. He has contacts throughout industries and all I have is 1st, second, and thirdhand accounts of families who have gone through the process. Based on the historic accuracy of his prognostications, his sources are perhaps marginally better than mine. He just has more of them.
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'll love MU until the day I die, that doesn't stop me from being concerned about some things the university does and acts.
Like trashing MU over Newbill nonstop for days on end without knowing all the facts. Sure is not love and an awful way to express concern...
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'll love MU until the day I die, that doesn't stop me from being concerned about some things the university does and acts.
Like trashing MU over Newbill nonstop for days on end without knowing all the facts. Sure is not love and an awful way to express concern...
Or the guy that relentlessly bashes fans on message boards by claiming that they aren't "true" fans, and brings up the Newbill situation again months later?
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not sure how relentless bashing "true" fans I am when the only fan I have bashed is chicos (who is quite a unique "fan")...
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Back to the story at hand, the other players rumored to be involved are Matt Humphrey and Josh Crittle.
http://www.kval.com/sports/102936474.html
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Weren't we recruiting Crittle under Crean???? This implies something!
/doesn't know how to make queer whistling symbol
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So you can either take what Chicos says at face value, or you can trash him...but if you trash him and he turns out to be right, you better acknowledge it.
Come on. He's going to be right, or at least claim he's right, irregardless of the outcome of the situation because he never really claimed anything. And whatever happens I'm sure he'll be on here when the news breaks patting himself on the back saying "I told you so".
I am aware of Chicos resume and am certain he knows more people in the business and therefore more scuttlebutt than most everybody else on here. I for one know absolutely nobody that works in college athletics so he clearly has me beat. I guess I will just call BS when somebody gets smug, makes assertions without backing them up with facts, and proceeds to call the current incarnation of the leadership of MU basketball dirty without coming out and saying what he "knows".
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Damn....you know if only you could have found a way to say NEVER and ALWAYS you could have won the daily double. Sorry, but whenever people use NEVER and ALWAYS I can tell right away they're full of crap because it's such a lazy response and ridiculously untrue.
Interesting that you imply that you always discredit posters for using "never" and "always" without actually using the word. Does that make it OK in your book? Besides, typically when posters use words like "never" and "always," they're simply doing it to emphasize a point. For example, someone might write, "Chicos always comes across like a pompous ass." While we obviously know that you don't always come across like a pompous ass, phrasing things that way gets a stronger point across. Most posters on here understand that what is written should not always be taken so literally...but you never do.
Sorry for the digression. You can now go back to the "I know something you don't know" routine that you always do.
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Chicos is very concerned with perception. TC was the same way. Maybe that's what makes them so simpatico. As Buzz said in his chat today, he cares little for people's perceptions - he a reality guy. I share that philosophy and it's something that I admire in Buzz. Unfortunately it makes some people squirm.
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Sorry for the digression. You can now go back to the "I know something you don't know" routine that you always do.
I guess I will just call BS when somebody gets smug, makes assertions without backing them up with facts, and proceeds to call the current incarnation of the leadership of MU basketball dirty without coming out and saying what he "knows".
Forgive me for not understanding what you were referring to with your unbelievably vague and abstract implications. I guess maybe what you were actually saying got lost in all the whistling and squirming. Ok, if academics is not at issue, then what is? Benefits? Recruiting Wilson while he was still at Oregon? Please enlighten us...
It's called being a four year old going, "I know a secret, nya nya nya nya nya nya!" If you have something spill it or don't post anything.
Sultan, just what is he actually saying?? Vague references and saying, "Well, if you knew what I know" is really weak stuff. Ironic coming from a poster that consistently ripped Badger fans for this same behavior (Shady stuff is going on, but I won't post any real details) when they tried to trash a past MU coach.
Sounds to me like you know absolutely nothing concrete. And why am I not surprised you are sitting here patting yourself on the back when based on the above there is no way you can possibly be wrong. "it might be something...but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not" WTF is that?
Hey Chicos,
If you actually have something, then out with it. All this beating around the bush is really annoying, and does nobody any good.
I'm just curious--did any of you bother to send a PM to Chicos to ask him about this before you've turned to personal attacks on him?
I think its obvious to all of us that there are certain things--especially rumors--that shouldn't be posted in a public forum.
That doesn't mean the rumors aren't circulating.
Honestly, do any of you really want the details of rumors posted for all recruits, parents, players, students, fans, NCAA compliance officers, opposing coaches/fans etc. etc. etc. to see?
Bottom Line: Chico's isn't starting these rumors--he's hearing them because he has access to an insider community, and he's reporting in an intentionally and completely justified vague manner.
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I'm just curious--did any of you bother to send a PM to Chicos to ask him about this before you've turned to personal attacks on him?
I think its obvious to all of us that there are certain things--especially rumors--that shouldn't be posted in a public forum.
That doesn't mean the rumors aren't circulating.
Honestly, do any of you really want the details of rumors posted for all recruits, parents, players, students, fans, NCAA compliance officers, opposing coaches/fans etc. etc. etc. to see?
Bottom Line: Chico's isn't starting these rumors--he's hearing them because he has access to an insider community, and he's reporting in an intentionally and completely justified vague manner.
Honestly, do you think reporting that you are squirming because your "insiders" are allegedly spreading vague rumors and innuendo about our program is something that gives comfort to our recruits, parents, players, students and fans? In addition, there's nothing an unscrupulous coach loves better than pointing out that this kind of crap is being reported on our own message board. Make no mistake about it, what Chicos is doing sabotages the program. Anyone who denies it has their head very deep in the sand.
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In addition, there's nothing an unscrupulous coach loves better than pointing out that this kind of crap is being reported on our own message board. Make no mistake about it, what Chicos is doing sabotages the program. Anyone who denies it has their head very deep in the sand.
per your sources?
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per your sources?
per common sense.
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Sorry -- I think Chicos is one of the most valuable posters on this board but I don't believe for a second that he has any "insider" community. We know he worked in athletic administration in the early 1990s. Are we supposed to believe there's some hotline for former athletic department employees across the country? It's absurd.
Besides, using sources that old reminds me of old Irv Kupcinet columns. For those unfamiliar, Kupcinet was a Sun Times reporter referencing the Rat Pack, Raquel Welch and the Smothers Brothers until 2001.
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I'm just curious--did any of you bother to send a PM to Chicos to ask him about this before you've turned to personal attacks on him?
I think its obvious to all of us that there are certain things--especially rumors--that shouldn't be posted in a public forum.
That doesn't mean the rumors aren't circulating.
Honestly, do any of you really want the details of rumors posted for all recruits, parents, players, students, fans, NCAA compliance officers, opposing coaches/fans etc. etc. etc. to see?
Bottom Line: Chico's isn't starting these rumors--he's hearing them because he has access to an insider community, and he's reporting in an intentionally and completely justified vague manner.
Making vague posts about how he knows something and then coming back if/when something actually happens and claiming that he knew it all along is nothing more than an attempt to make everyone think he's an important, well-connected person. Whether he is or not, we don't really know but his "rumor" posts contain little to no substance. If Chicos knows something, he should post it. If he knows something but doesn't think it's something that should be posted in a public forum, he should keep quiet. It's not a difficult concept.
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Marquette 84
Not sure why I'm being accused of personal attacks. I said nothing about him as a person, I just took issue with a couple of his posts, and they were hardly "attacks". I haven't been around here nearly long enough to have any personal problems with anybody, and I think Chicos usually adds a lot to this board.
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Marquette 84
Not sure why I'm being accused of personal attacks. I said nothing about him as a person, I just took issue with a couple of his posts, and they were hardly "attacks". I haven't been around here nearly long enough to have any personal problems with anybody, and I think Chicos usually adds a lot to this board.
+1. I too don't understand why 84 is claiming that I used a personal attack. I didn't realize saying a post was "weak stuff" and pointing out a conflicting position was a personal attack.
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I'm just curious--did any of you bother to send a PM to Chicos to ask him about this before you've turned to personal attacks on him?
I think its obvious to all of us that there are certain things--especially rumors--that shouldn't be posted in a public forum.
That doesn't mean the rumors aren't circulating.
Honestly, do any of you really want the details of rumors posted for all recruits, parents, players, students, fans, NCAA compliance officers, opposing coaches/fans etc. etc. etc. to see?
Bottom Line: Chico's isn't starting these rumors--he's hearing them because he has access to an insider community, and he's reporting in an intentionally and completely justified vague manner.
Did you really not get the point of any of those posts? Its not that hard. You don't tell a friend you've got a huge important secret and then tell him you can't say what it is. You keep your mouth shut or you spill it.....not tease people with it.
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Evil Pat hinted early on that Wilson was bolting to MU.
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per common sense.
common sense that recruits read insular school message boards and decide they dont want to attend a school due to the posts of a guy with "bail bonds" in his username?
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Did you really not get the point of any of those posts? Its not that hard. You don't tell a friend you've got a huge important secret and then tell him you can't say what it is. You keep your mouth shut or you spill it.....not tease people with it.
You don't get it. Everyone "hears" things. They shouldn't post it unless it is verifyable. But after the fact, when they say "Yeah, I had been hearing that for weeks," don't come down on him for it.
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The point is, if it's not verifiable, don't post anything at all alluding to it. It does just as much harm as if it's true, and it does unnecessary harm when it turns out to not be true, which I guarantee is the case here. Chicos should delete his annoying self-serving post immediately.
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common sense that recruits read insular school message boards and decide they dont want to attend a school due to the posts of a guy with "bail bonds" in his username?
Not a movie fan, I take it.
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Bottom Line: Chico's isn't starting these rumors--he's hearing them because he has access to an insider community, and he's reporting in an intentionally and completely justified vague manner.
What's his "insider community?"
If you heard rumors you didn't feel you should spread would you still hint that you're hearing rumors? I don't see the point in that, other than to have the opportunity to say "I told you so" if something happens.
Are the rumors being talked about against NCAA rules?
I have a good friend working NCAA compliance for a major B10 university. That person has been right about many coaches, sometime years before it comes to light. I see no reason to post that information on a message board even knowing what a credible source it is. I guess I don't understand the reasoning for posting on here. If concerns exist, there are certainly better ways of expressing them in an appropriate manner and place.
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Honestly, do you think reporting that you are squirming because your "insiders" are allegedly spreading vague rumors and innuendo about our program is something that gives comfort to our recruits, parents, players, students and fans? In addition, there's nothing an unscrupulous coach loves better than pointing out that this kind of crap is being reported on our own message board. Make no mistake about it, what Chicos is doing sabotages the program. Anyone who denies it has their head very deep in the sand.
Make no mistake about it, you are full of complete crap Lenny. As others have said in the past, no one reads these boards so how could I "sabotage" the program? And if I wanted to do what you accuse me of, couldn't I just run out and put a bunch of these rumors out there online? Put them on a blog? Post them on other message board sites of schools that are recruiting the same players we are? That would get a lot more press....but did I do that? Nope. Considering I'm a saboteur (your words), I would think that's a layup to achieve the means you accuse me of. But of course, I didn't do that. Not only didn't I do that, I haven't put a SINGLE rumor online, have I? On a message board of any site...have I? On a blog...have I?
By the way, it's funny how many people on this thread are saying recruits now read these boards when only a few weeks ago these SAME people were saying recruits don't read these boards. Jekyll meet Hyde. This will be classic if we miss out on a recruit, Lenny will start blaming it on a poster on a message board. LOL. Gee, I guess Kentucky won't be able to sign any recruits since there are a "few" rumors about them on message boards...a LOT of message boards. Some are saying the Big East will breakup...OMG, rumors on a message board that could cause us to lose a recruit. ::) Get real Lenny.
I told you in my email I would be happy to talk to you over a beer about it but not anything in writing, but you were the one that didn't want to engage in that medium and you started spouting off about sources without so much as an email response. Isn't it ironic as hell, Lenny, that in my email several days before the Dunigan \ Oregon story broke in the papers it specifically mentioned Dunigan and Oregon. Hm mm....
Marquette84....to answer your question....all the people smashing me here, not ONE of them sent me a PM. But why does this surprise anyone? There's a good chunk of people on here that feel accepting a NLI and then kicking the kid to the curb is no big deal either. Some things make people squirm and others don't care at all. Different strokes for different folks.
Others did send me a PM and wanted detailed information of what rumors have been going around and I declined to pass them on. As I stated clearly, I'm not going to get into the rumors publicly because who knows what is valid. I'm certainly not going to put anything in writing. The internet is full of rumors about athletic teams, etc. All I said is that when the story came out, I was not surprised. I also said, which some people simply can't comprehend, is that there are some things that make me uncomfortable (make me squirm). Things like recruiting someone that has already verballed was just one example of that. Is it illegal? Nope. Do I wish we weren't doing it? Yup. Do some fans not care at all about that tactic? Absolutely, some don't care at all. Are there other rumors out there...yes there are. Are they true? Who knows. Do SOME of them make me squirm? Yes they do. Have there been rumors about the Wisconsin Badgers? Yup. Duke? Yup. UNC? Yup UCLA? Yup. And on and on. Some come true and into the public domain, others are true but never see the light of day, and others are patently false from day one.
As for the crowd that's saying "spill the beans". Why? If they are rumors, which I hope they are, what good does it do? It's like having a friend and you hear his wife is cheating on him. Do you go to the friend and tell him the rumor? Do you sit on it and wait to make sure it's true to avoid breaking up a marriage? Would you feel like crap for not saying anything if the rumors were true? Would you feel worse if the rumors were false and you broke up a marriage or caused major strife?
So no, I'm not going to "spill the beans" over something I can't prove or validate (if I ever did know something 100% dead on, I'd send it to the President of the University...of course to some of you, that would make me a rat...I guess some people have more of a conscious than others....I relish the fact that MU is not Wisconsin or Illinois or UCLA or Kentucky and has never been on probation of any kind). But when one of these rumors does come true and I have the temerity on a message board to say "doesn't surprise me, been hearing that for days or months"....well, I'm sorry but I'm just being honest. You can attack me all you wish, which many of you have. Carry on.
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The latest, with a MU mention
http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/sports/25305204-41/dunigan-oregon-former-andrews-players.csp
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Back to the story at hand, the other players rumored to be involved are Matt Humphrey and Josh Crittle.
http://www.kval.com/sports/102936474.html
Don't know how accurate this article is, but feel like it has been lost in the shuffle. This with Mark Miller saying Jamil is fine makes me feel much better.
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Chicos, you just don't get it.
If you're going to act all high and mighty as if you know something then it's going to make people, for lack of a better term, squirm when you refuse to give any details. Like I said before, if you know something, share it. If you've heard a rumor that you don't want posted on a message board, keep quiet. It's pretty simple. To use your friend/wife analogy, what you have a tendency to do on these boards would be like telling your friend that you've heard things that could affect his marriage...but you can't tell him any more than that. I'm sure he'd be fine with that and wouldn't ask any follow-up questions, right?
Your immature game of boasting about how you know something but can't share it with the lowly message board serfs has really gotten old. You do add a lot of value to these boards but far too often you present yourself as an arrogant, know-it-all and then act put off when people call you out on that. Ease up on the holier-than-thou attitude and it's likely that your valid points won't continue to get lost in your condescending tone.
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Chicos, you just don't get it.
To use your friend/wife analogy, what you have a tendency to do on these boards would be like telling your friend that you've heard things that could affect his marriage...but you can't tell him any more than that. I'm sure he'd be fine with that and wouldn't ask any follow-up questions, right?
Your immature game of boasting about how you know something but can't share it with the lowly message board serfs has really gotten old. You do add a lot of value to these boards but far too often you present yourself as an arrogant, know-it-all and then act put off when people call you out on that. Ease up on the holier-than-thou attitude and it's likely that your valid points won't continue to get lost in your condescending tone.
Bold = right on. And fixed.
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Chico, how do you reconcile your declaration of purity with then posting a rumor on the IU Scout board that you got from here with no reference or links. Or do you save your dudley do right stuff for this board, hoosier baller?
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Chico, how do you reconcile your declaration of purity with then posting a rumor on the IU Scout board that you got from here with no reference or links. Or do you save your dudley do right stuff for this board, hoosier baller?
Declaration of purity 'tis not, I'm afraid. There's a reason that some people choose to spin their webs in certain places... we live in an attention-starved society and some people simply can not deal with starvation as well as others.
I could name three, maybe four, Scoopers here who seem to post for no other reason that to draw attention to themselves through controversy, but I'm not going to tell you who they are.
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Chico, how do you reconcile your declaration of purity with then posting a rumor on the IU Scout board that you got from here with no reference or links. Or do you save your dudley do right stuff for this board, hoosier baller?
Or posing as a Michigan grad on the Badgerboard...or finding personal stuff about posters here......
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Making vague posts about how he knows something and then coming back if/when something actually happens and claiming that he knew it all along is nothing more than an attempt to make everyone think he's an important, well-connected person. Whether he is or not, we don't really know but his "rumor" posts contain little to no substance. If Chicos knows something, he should post it. If he knows something but doesn't think it's something that should be posted in a public forum, he should keep quiet. It's not a difficult concept.
+ 500 billion...
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Sorry -- I think Chicos is one of the most valuable posters on this board but I don't believe for a second that he has any "insider" community. We know he worked in athletic administration in the early 1990s. Are we supposed to believe there's some hotline for former athletic department employees across the country? It's absurd.
Besides, using sources that old reminds me of old Irv Kupcinet columns. For those unfamiliar, Kupcinet was a Sun Times reporter referencing the Rat Pack, Raquel Welch and the Smothers Brothers until 2001.
+ 500 trillion