Vander to the NBA draft

[wojosdojo]

What are the chances he pulls a McNeal and comes back?

[brewcity77]

What are the chances he pulls a McNeal and comes back?

You mean James? It depends. I've heard he's hired an agent, and if that's the case, he's gone. Once you hire an agent it's over. But if he has merely said he's going and not submitted the paperwork, he has until April 28th to do so (pretty sure that's the date).

[jesmu84]

And yet the same mocks have him as a first-rounder in next year's deeper draft? Mmmmmmmmmmright. SB Nation says he's a late first round pick. Chad Ford said today he's either a late first rounder or a value in the early second.

source?

[Silkk the Shaka]

You mean James? It depends. I've heard he's hired an agent, and if that's the case, he's gone. Once you hire an agent it's over. But if he has merely said he's going and not submitted the paperwork, he has until April 28th to do so (pretty sure that's the date).

Pretty sure McNeal tested the waters after junior year, got feeback, then came back for a stellar senior year.  Too bad that same route isn't available anymore.

[MUMonster03]

You mean James? It depends. I've heard he's hired an agent, and if that's the case, he's gone. Once you hire an agent it's over. But if he has merely said he's going and not submitted the paperwork, he has until April 28th to do so (pretty sure that's the date).

I believe he only has until 11:59 tonight if he hasn't hired an agent. You have until the 28th to declare, but today is the cutoff for pulling out and retaining your eligibility.

[wojosdojo]

Yes. McNeal said he was going and came back (didn't hire agent, obviously). Hope something magical can happen with Van.. Although that sounds pretty selfish.

[LAZER]

And yet the same mocks have him as a first-rounder in next year's deeper draft? Mmmmmmmmmmright. SB Nation says he's a late first round pick. Chad Ford said today he's either a late first rounder or a value in the early second.

Ford said he's a second rounder that might sneak into the first

[ChicosBailBonds]

And yet the same mocks have him as a first-rounder in next year's deeper draft? Mmmmmmmmmmright. SB Nation says he's a late first round pick. Chad Ford said today he's either a late first rounder or a value in the early second.

It's one of the questions I posed to the head of DraftExpress...will have conclusive answer tonight.

[brewcity77]

Ford said he's a second rounder that might sneak into the first

That's right...mixed my articles. Anyway...

As is, Blue is considered a late first-rounder, or if a team is lucky, an early second-rounder.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/4/16/4230346/vander-blue-nba-draft-marquette

Vander Blue, G, Jr. Marquette

Blue had a breakout season as a junior, averaging 14.8 PPG. He is a terrific athlete who can guard multiple positions and exudes the sort of toughness we've come to expect from Marquette players. He's coming off a strong NCAA tournament run that helped carry Marquette to the Elite Eight. However, he still lacks a consistent perimeter jumper and is considered undersized for a 2-guard. Most likely, he's a second-round pick. But some scouts project him as a big point guard, so there's a chance he sneaks into the first round.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2013/story/_/page/InOut-2013/2013-nba-draft-list

[ChicosBailBonds]

No, he hasn't, but I think that saying any talk of him going is "nonsense" and calling for people to "officially stop this Vander to the NBA stuff" and deal with reality goes well beyond questioning the efficacy of his declaring.

As Goodman, mock drafts, ESPN, and others have said today....they are all surprised because it's a head scratcher.  In my view, it's nonsense and I think he's making a poor decision.  Looks like I'm hardly alone based on what many in the press are writing today.  I hope to be proven wrong, but you are right, I didn't factor in someone thinking they are better than they are and leaving despite what seems to be the correct decision. I think he's a sure fire draft pick in 2014, I hope I am proven wrong and he made the right decision.  Otherwise, nonsensical. 

[Clam Crowder]

Van reminds me a little of Tony Wroten. Wroten is only slightly taller than Van and had an atrocious 16.1% 3pt % in his 1 year at UW. He has Vander in speed and is slightly more athletic but I think the two compare well.

[Otule's Glass Eye]

Is it possible the mock drafts don't include Vander because they saw no chance of him declaring?

That's exactly what I was thinking, because he had already been relegated to the 2014 mocks instead.

[jesmu84]

I think he's a sure fire draft pick in 2014, I hope I am proven wrong and he made the right decision.  Otherwise, nonsensical. 

I think most of the 2014 mocks expect him to improve at least a little. But what if he doesn't? Not saying he gets worse, but what if this, right now, is the peak of his abilities? Wouldn't those same mocks (and i'd have to assume, your opinion as well) would change and not have him drafted very high, if at all? Especially since next year's draft is much tougher.

I'm not saying him going this year is necessarily the right decision, for him or certainly MU, but if this is as good as it gets for him, aren't his chances better this year?

[Otule's Glass Eye]

This was a very risky decision for him to make. Hopefully it works out for him. Unfortunately, next year's outlook isn't as bright as it once looked. Still expect us to be able to get to where we were this year, next year.

[VegasWarrior77]

RT means he was retweeting what the person said to him. Last night, PT tweeted that it was possible not all the dominoes had fallen regarding the roster. The person wanted to know if Blue's declaration was what PT was talking about and that was a confirmation that yes, Blue to the NBA was what they were predicting last night.

Thanks!  I was at the gym.  I posted PT's tweet last night about one more domino falling.  I am just hoping the exit of players is done (hopefully Jamil stays) and we get some great news about a player or two we are going to get.

[ChicosBailBonds]

And yet the same mocks have him as a first-rounder in next year's deeper draft? Mmmmmmmmmmright. SB Nation says he's a late first round pick. Chad Ford said today he's either a late first rounder or a value in the early second.

OK, so interesting discussion with a friend of mine at DraftExpress.  They put people in their mock that they believe are coming out or there is any possibility of him coming out based on feedback from GMs, etc.  They did not think Vander was coming out and neither did the GMs they spoke to, that's why he wasn't in their mock.  I asked him if it was fair to say he was surprised and the answer was YES.  Consistent with what some of Hunt's sources and others in the media have said.

So, they might still ultimately put him in this mock draft for 2013, but they did not anticipate him coming out which is why he wasn't in this year's mock.  They concentrate on who they know is coming out or who is widely considered to come out....thus why so much surprise from so many that he has put his hat in the ring.

[Newsdreams]

Who's Derrick Anderson? More journalistic brilliance from the ever lazy JS Beat writer.

SHHHHH! He is Buzz's secret weapon.....

[nyg]

OK, so interesting discussion with a friend of mine at DraftExpress.  They put people in their mock that they believe are coming out or there is any possibility of him coming out based on feedback from GMs, etc.  They did not think Vander was coming out and neither did the GMs they spoke to, that's why he wasn't in their mock.  I asked him if it was fair to say he was surprised and the answer was YES.  Consistent with what some of Hunt's sources and others in the media have said.

So, they might still ultimately put him in this mock draft for 2013, but they did not anticipate him coming out which is why he wasn't in this year's mock.  They concentrate on who they know is coming out or who is widely considered to come out....thus why so much surprise from so many that he has put his hat in the ring.

Well now they know he is coming out and can't wait until their updated mock.  They are the best mock draft around. 

[wrk5923]

Just here to say I told ya'll,

and I hope Vander does well in the NBA.

WRK5923's bold prediction: Vander goes Late 1st round.

You heard it here first, just like the Vander declaring news!

[Otule's Glass Eye]

OK, so interesting discussion with a friend of mine at DraftExpress.  They put people in their mock that they believe are coming out or there is any possibility of him coming out based on feedback from GMs, etc.  They did not think Vander was coming out and neither did the GMs they spoke to, that's why he wasn't in their mock.  I asked him if it was fair to say he was surprised and the answer was YES.  Consistent with what some of Hunt's sources and others in the media have said.

So, they might still ultimately put him in this mock draft for 2013, but they did not anticipate him coming out which is why he wasn't in this year's mock.  They concentrate on who they know is coming out or who is widely considered to come out....thus why so much surprise from so many that he has put his hat in the ring.

Exactly why I thought he wasn't on 2013 drafts, because nobody thought he was coming out. Good to here this though from your DraftExpress source.

[nyg]

WRK92, WRK922, WRK5923 and whatever,  Good call and I eat crow for your first posts.

If prediction #2 is correct, I eat it again.  But, thats a bold prediction.  Good work. 

[Otule's Glass Eye]

Just here to say I told ya'll,

and I hope Vander does well in the NBA.

WRK5923's bold prediction: Vander goes Late 1st round.

You heard it here first, just like the Vander declaring news!

I second that bold prediction. And yes I thought you were trolling as well but it seems you actually did know something others didn't.

[Eldon]

Buzz was probably like "give him the stick.. DON'T GIVE HIM THE STICK!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWWbPb7-ZnQ

LOL! This is by far my favorite one.


Is that supposed to be Blue saying "you're not my dad" at the end?

[Eldon]

Just here to say I told ya'll,

and I hope Vander does well in the NBA.

WRK5923's bold prediction: Vander goes Late 1st round.

You heard it here first, just like the Vander declaring news!

Are you saying that your prediction is figuratively bold or merely pointing out that it is literally bold?

[Otule's Glass Eye]

Buzz says he might look for another freshman to bring in, might not be worth it as all top 100 recruits are committed, unless we can somehow get the number one recruit at the last minute...