Football Ratings Are Down

[GGGG]

http://thecomeback.com/nfl/the-nfl-is-footballs-worst-enemy.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

"It’s not fun being a professional football fan right now. Most of the games aren’t fun to watch, the refereeing is more frustrating than ever, and the league’s leadership continues to alienate fans in the worst possible way. Perhaps NFL ratings will rebound later this fall, who knows. But what won’t rebound unless the NFL makes serious changes at every level is the enjoyment of being a football fan. And if that doesn’t happen, the NFL will have nobody to blame but themselves for the fall of professional football."

[Benny B]

And it's "nip in the bud."

Evidently you've never owned a puppy.

[brandx]

None of this crap is helping from either side. Brandx, that is a gross over-generalization. RS and Chicos, you know what he was getting at and know he doesn't believe that a significant population of police officers are killing African Americans for no reason.

I think you missed the point of my comment about the Mounties. It was simply mocking BadgerHoney. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[Tugg Speedman]

The NFL Is in Decline


http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-nfl-is-in-decline/article/2005033

[Mr. Nielsen]

Regionalized
FOX:  -1%
CBS: -9%

Non-Regionalized
TNF: -18%
SNF: -19%
MNF: -24%

[GGGG]

Regionalized
FOX:  -1%
CBS: -9%

Non-Regionalized
TNF: -18%
SNF: -19%
MNF: -24%

This really says that people are watching their team play, which is most often one of the regional games, but are finding something else to watch during the prime time games.

[forgetful]

This really says that people are watching their team play, which is most often one of the regional games, but are finding something else to watch during the prime time games.

Which makes a lot of sense; decline of fantasy football (purpose for watching other games) and the decline of the on the field product.

[Babybluejeansfan]

Which means that 132 /  1136 = 11% of this sample size chose not to watch football because of the Kaepernick protests.

Why would you divide the sample size (1,136) into the estimated number of NFL fans?  The purpose of a sample size is to use it with statistical significance to extrapolate what it mean against a larger population, within a margin of error to a certain degree +/-  a few percentage points either way.

Your .00071% means literally, nothing.  The math is right, but it means nothing. You aren't solving anything with that equation.

You should have taken that 11% from the original equation and extrapolated that by multiplying by the 160 million.  Which gives you almost 18 million people. That is not a pimple on any pig's ass, unless it is a damn big pig and the pimple the size of most of Florida.

How this ties into football ratings is more complex.  Individuals don't translate into households as easily since more households have multiple people.  But say there are 2.5 people per household, you can then further refine the number to say roughly 7 million households are impacted (17.6M people watching less football because of Colin divided by 2.5 people per household). Also not a pimple on a pig's butt.

Still not good enough, because we don't know how much less football they are watching.  Does it mean completely turned off? Does it mean any games with Colin? Does it mean instead of 3 games a week, they watch 1?   We don't have those numbers, but your approach on how to use these numbers is wrong.  Your .00071% means nothing.

Good explanation

[rocket surgeon]

  OOPSIE-DOOPSIE 'ey?

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/10/27/nfl-ratings-national-anthem-protests-poll/

[brandx]

Thursday's game is 99% of the reason attendance is down. I was home with nothing going on and I didn't want to waste one minute of my life on Jacksonville vs. Tennessee.

In hindsight a very wise choice.

[rocket surgeon]

the sunday night barn burner tie between arizona and seattle was not made for tv

[Tugg Speedman]

Poll: National Anthem Protests Leading Cause For NFL Ratings Drop

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/10/27/nfl-ratings-national-anthem-protests-poll/

A fresh poll from Seton Hall surveyed 841 adults across the U.S. Each respondent was asked to identify seven separate factors as a reason for the NFL ratings drop, allowing them to answer “yes” or “no” for each of them. The leading factor, according to the poll, was the national anthem protests, which scored “yes” at a rate of 56 percent.

Other answers also scored “yes” at a high rate, including 50 percent of “yeses” for coverage of the presidential election, 47 percent for the league’s handling of domestic violence cases, 44 percent for the over-saturation of the market, 39 percent for increased interest in postseason baseball, and 33 percent for controversy over head injuries and player safety.

Interestingly enough, the lowest score, tied with player safety at 33 percent, was “a decline in quality of play on the field.” Many would cite this as the overriding factor to all of this, and it certainly is factoring in. It’s easier to turn the games off for other reasons if the games aren’t fun to watch in the first place.

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NFL TV Ratings Down; Fans Cite a Host of Factors, Led by National Anthem Protests

http://blogs.shu.edu/sportspoll/2016/10/27/nfl-tv-ratings-down-fans-cite-a-host-of-factors-led-by-national-anthem-protests/

South Orange, NJ, October 27, 2016 — Viewership for NFL games is down approximately 12% this season, sending league and club officials in search of reasons. A Seton Hall Sports Poll conducted this week asked people to identify factors accounting for the drop.

Each question was asked separately, allowing for a yes, no or don’t know response.   Thus, respondents could weigh in on each of the seven possibilities as a contributing factor without identifying one single factor.

The leading factor – the one receiving the most “yesses” – was players not standing for the national anthem. However, the seven factors all evoked a large number of yes responses, so that even the least chosen, at 33%, represents a lot of fans.

56% of respondents cited players not standing for the anthem, with 50% citing the distraction of the presidential campaign and 47% the controversy over the handling of domestic violence cases involving players.

[brandx]

Poll: National Anthem Protests Leading Cause For NFL Ratings Drop

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/10/27/nfl-ratings-national-anthem-protests-poll/

A fresh poll from Seton Hall surveyed 841 adults across the U.S. Each respondent was asked to identify seven separate factors as a reason for the NFL ratings drop, allowing them to answer “yes” or “no” for each of them. The leading factor, according to the poll, was the national anthem protests, which scored “yes” at a rate of 56 percent.

Other answers also scored “yes” at a high rate, including 50 percent of “yeses” for coverage of the presidential election, 47 percent for the league’s handling of domestic violence cases, 44 percent for the over-saturation of the market, 39 percent for increased interest in postseason baseball, and 33 percent for controversy over head injuries and player safety.

Interestingly enough, the lowest score, tied with player safety at 33 percent, was “a decline in quality of play on the field.” Many would cite this as the overriding factor to all of this, and it certainly is factoring in. It’s easier to turn the games off for other reasons if the games aren’t fun to watch in the first place.

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NFL TV Ratings Down; Fans Cite a Host of Factors, Led by National Anthem Protests

http://blogs.shu.edu/sportspoll/2016/10/27/nfl-tv-ratings-down-fans-cite-a-host-of-factors-led-by-national-anthem-protests/

South Orange, NJ, October 27, 2016 — Viewership for NFL games is down approximately 12% this season, sending league and club officials in search of reasons. A Seton Hall Sports Poll conducted this week asked people to identify factors accounting for the drop.

Each question was asked separately, allowing for a yes, no or don’t know response.   Thus, respondents could weigh in on each of the seven possibilities as a contributing factor without identifying one single factor.

The leading factor – the one receiving the most “yesses” – was players not standing for the national anthem. However, the seven factors all evoked a large number of yes responses, so that even the least chosen, at 33%, represents a lot of fans.

56% of respondents cited players not standing for the anthem, with 50% citing the distraction of the presidential campaign and 47% the controversy over the handling of domestic violence cases involving players.

Completely bogus poll.

It was asking for something that people had no way of knowing. Why other people weren't watching games.

[Benny B]

Completely bogus poll.

It was asking for something that people had no way of knowing. Why other people weren't watching games.

"What do you think other people think" is actually a valid method for surveying a population sample, but it has very strict rules on how the survey is structured.  No idea if it's the case here, but it did come out of SHU, so there's a chance the rules were followed and the results may be valid. 

[Tugg Speedman]

The article has lots of stats about arrests.  Looks like Packer games are among the bigger problems.


A quietly escalating issue for NFL: Fan violence and how to contain it

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/a-quietly-escalating-issue-for-nfl-fan-violence-and-how-to-contain-it/2016/10/28/4ec37964-9470-11e6-bb29-bf2701dbe0a3_story.html

While the National Football League is more popular than ever, expected this year to set a record by surpassing $13 billion in revenue, it faces potent threats to its dominance over the American sports landscape: declining television ratings, an inconsistent response to incidents of domestic abuse involving players and continuing worries about player safety. But an equally alarming threat is unruly fan behavior in and around NFL stadiums. It has some in the league concerned that it is driving fans to stay away.

“If you are concerned about bringing your family to a game, then that is an issue,” said Amy Trask, a former executive with the Raiders who has served on the NFL’s security committee. “It’s not just an issue for one team; it’s an issue for all 32 teams. The teams know this. The league knows this.”

[tower912]

Ratings are down but the game is more popular than ever?    Odd juxtaposition.   

[Tugg Speedman]

Ratings are down but the game is more popular than ever?    Odd juxtaposition.

Nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded -- Yogi Berra

[brandx]

"What do you think other people think" is actually a valid method for surveying a population sample, but it has very strict rules on how the survey is structured.  No idea if it's the case here, but it did come out of SHU, so there's a chance the rules were followed and the results may be valid.

Nah. Ain't buying it. Generally, I think people will use their own biases to answer questions like these. And other than a couple of their own friends, they don't have the faintest clue what other people think.

[rocket surgeon]

This really says that people are watching their team play, which is most often one of the regional games, but are finding something else to watch during the prime time games.

this is a good thought-as soon as i'm done with sons of anarchy, next up, narcos season 2 then...otherwise, go pack go

[Benny B]

Nah. Ain't buying it. Generally, I think people will use their own biases to answer questions like these. And other than a couple of their own friends, they don't have the faintest clue what other people think.

Which is exactly why it's a valid methodology.  It's a type of indirect questioning, predominantly used in surveys where the questions are of a very personal or sensitive nature (i.e. where the participant may not answer honestly if it was about themselves)... e.g. Kinsey used a crap-ton of these indirect questions to get insight from people who would have never talked about their own desires, thoughts, leanings, etc.  In a 30-size sample, the results aren't very accurate, but as your sample sizes get larger, themes emerge that are representative of the population... that said, if your population is generally composed of a bunch of sub-intellectuals, the themes that emerge can often indicate widespread beliefs that are far from reality.  And in the case of the football-watching public, my sense is that you're not exactly dealing with people who know the difference between STEM and yelling about the stalk of a plant, so there is certainly a legitimate cause to question the results even if the survey is valid.

Nevertheless, I reiterate that I don't know if the survey followed this methodology and I'm certainly not advocating one way or another.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Austin Karp ‏@AustinKarp  · 4h4 hours ago 

World Series Game 5 (15.3 overnight rating) beat Cowboys-Eagles overtime game last night by 32% (11.6 for Sunday Night Football)

[muwarrior69]

Austin Karp ‏@AustinKarp  · 4h4 hours ago 

World Series Game 5 (15.3 overnight rating) beat Cowboys-Eagles overtime game last night by 32% (11.6 for Sunday Night Football)

Championship game vs. a regular season game not a fair comparison IMHO.

[Benny B]

Championship game vs. a regular season game not a fair comparison IMHO.

Historically, it's not been a fair comparison.... for MLB, that is.  First time in six years that NFL didn't win the head-to-head against the WS.

[Tugg Speedman]

Historically, it's not been a fair comparison.... for MLB, that is.  First time in six years that NFL didn't win the head-to-head against the WS.

Exactly ... and the best game 5 for a WS since 1997.

[rocket surgeon]

   "Police brutality against the black community is an issue in this country. It is an issue for a vast vast vast minority of police officers. But it still happens and that's a problem. We need people from both sides to help end it."

you are absolutely right on here tamu.  may i add, police brutality should be an issue when it occurs against anyone.  and yes, it is a vast...minority of police officers.  but, the media should be held somewhat responsible here.  a clear message needs to be sent to rogue police that the "good ole boys club" needs to end.  it starts with good police at the top