Hayward Screwed Again-Ndiaye BE Defensive POY

[Tom Crean's Tanning Bed]

Between getting Jim Burred on Saturday, getting 2nd team All Big East, and losing out on defensive POY to Hamady Ndiaye, I would not want to be an opponent having to face one p*ssed off Lazar Hayward on Wednesday.

Has there been any player in Marquette history that has gotten less respect than Lazar?

[Skatastrophy]

Has there been any player in Marquette history that has gotten less respect than Lazar?

I never respected Chris Grimm.

[damuts222]

Agreed, I was pissed that Lazar wasn't 1st team BE.

[muballer10]

I never respected Chris Grimm.

As a rule of thumb, I don't use the term "lol".


LOL

[Clam Crowder]

I'm just curious how Lazar was favored to win this... Ndiaye is a beast of a shot blocker. The only thing I feel for Lazar on is getting Jim Burred in his senior day game. He plays to compete, and to win. He is unselfish and this was proven in his four years year. He's not about the rewards, the loss to ND was the only thing he'll be pissed about

[Nukem2]

Agree on all counts.  No way Zar was even considered for defensive player of the year if only because he was defending the low post against the tall trees in the BE.

[Tom Crean's Tanning Bed]

I beg to differ on Lazar's case for Defensive POY.

1)  Other than Greedy Peterson, Lazar was the only player in the top 15 in rebounding in the conference 6'6" or under.
2)  Lazar's defensive rebound percentage was 21.6%, good enough for 4th in the league.  And especially astounding for a 6'6" post player.
3)  Lazar finished 3rd in steals at 1.7 per game, and 52 overall.  3rd in the league, and the only post player to finish in the top 12.
4)  Lazar frequently drew the other team's 5 man, and often had to play in foul trouble in 2nd halves of games. While he only had a handful of pure standout performances, he was more than serviceable as a post defender, even despite frequently giving up 4+ inches to most of the post players in the league.

[MUeagle05]

I beg to differ on Lazar's case for Defensive POY.

1)  Other than Greedy Peterson, Lazar was the only player in the top 15 in rebounding in the conference 6'6" or under.
2)  Lazar's defensive rebound percentage was 21.6%, good enough for 4th in the league.  And especially astounding for a 6'6" post player.
3)  Lazar finished 3rd in steals at 1.7 per game, and 52 overall.  3rd in the league, and the only post player to finish in the top 12.
4)  Lazar frequently drew the other team's 5 man, and often had to play in foul trouble in 2nd halves of games. While he only had a handful of pure standout performances, he was more than serviceable as a post defender, even despite frequently giving up 4+ inches to most of the post players in the league.

Playing well with foul trouble and being "more than serviceable" does not make you defensive POY

[ChicosBailBonds]

I guess count me in the minority.  With 16 teams and only so many honors, I don't know how we can say he was "screwed".   

Who on the 1st team should he have bumped?

For BE Defensive POY, why should he have vaulted over those that finished ahead of him? 

We don't even know if he finished 2nd....for all we know he finished 5th in the voting for this award.

[Ari Gold]

I never respected Chris Grimm.

I echo Muballer10's comments

[MerrittsMustache]

Who on the 1st team should he have bumped?

One could argue...

Harangody - He missed 1/3 of the conference games and his team is better without him.

Monroe - More hype than actual production.

Butler - Hayward has better numbers in nearly every category.

[MU B2002]

Butler - Hayward has better numbers in nearly every category.

Except for shooting percentage on last second shots.

[LA]

I beg to differ on Lazar's case for Defensive POY.

1)  Other than Greedy Peterson, Lazar was the only player in the top 15 in rebounding in the conference 6'6" or under.
2)  Lazar's defensive rebound percentage was 21.6%, good enough for 4th in the league.  And especially astounding for a 6'6" post player.
3)  Lazar finished 3rd in steals at 1.7 per game, and 52 overall.  3rd in the league, and the only post player to finish in the top 12.
4)  Lazar frequently drew the other team's 5 man, and often had to play in foul trouble in 2nd halves of games. While he only had a handful of pure standout performances, he was more than serviceable as a post defender, even despite frequently giving up 4+ inches to most of the post players in the league.

If it was the "biggest underdog of the year award" or "best player under 6'6" to play the post position" award I would have to agree. Nothing in your post made me think BE Defensive POY. Zar is incredibly strong for his size and is a tough defender but not the type of defender that makes people think twice about driving to the hoop.

[ChicosBailBonds]

One could argue...

Harangody - He missed 1/3 of the conference games and his team is better without him.

Monroe - More hype than actual production.

Butler - Hayward has better numbers in nearly every category.

I don't know.  Harangody even missing those games had better numbers than Hayward.  Notre Dame might be better without him or they might finally be catching fire regardless.  I guess we'll find out.

Butler, that's going to be awfully tough argument.  Butler has more options on his team and isn't the sole focal point where Lazar has more things run for him.  That's why it's always dangerous to just use stats.  The eyeball test also has to be used.

Monroe...I might go for that one.

[Lennys Tap]

Every time I saw Georgetown play Freeman was their best player - not Monroe. Think he should be first team. I also give the nod to Lazar over Harangody - he played every game and was a workhorse on offense AND defense.

[Rocco]

Lazar got screwed on not being first team all big east, but defensive player of the year?  Come on, I love Lazar as much as anyone, but he is pretty poor on defense.  He reminds me of Glenn Robinson, a lot of steals, but definitely not a lock down defender.