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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: NavinRJohnson on May 05, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
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I have been as big a Brett fan as there has been, but this is just getting sad. As a Packer fan, I say please let it happen...Packers would be 2-0 before the season even starts. Absolutely nothing to be concerned about here. The only one hurt by this would be Favre and his already tarnished legacy (Unless of course you count the Vikings.). A year or two ago, I would have cared about his legacy, but no more. If the guy wants to go down in flames, and turn himself into a joke, so be it.
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#4 joins MN, wins the Vikings three Super Bowls, goes into Hall of Fame in purple.
Book it.
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#4 joins MN, wins the Vikings three Super Bowls, goes into Hall of Fame in purple.
Book it.
#4 joins MN, gets swine flu, world collapses in on itself.
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so you are saying that they would be worse off with farve than they are with traveris jackson? Farve is still good in warm weather. His ability to deal with cold has fallen off over the years, no reason to think that he can't play in a dome.
I want him to come back because since he's ruined his legacy i haven't recieved any factually incorrect emails about his greatness from packer fans. Suck it packer fans, your hero is a back stabbing jerk!
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Doesn't Favre really struggle in the Metrodome? I'm sure it will be different with it being your home stadium, but he does struggle in most domes.
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I have been as big a Brett fan as there has been, but this is just getting sad. As a Packer fan, I say please let it happen...Packers would be 2-0 before the season even starts. Absolutely nothing to be concerned about here. The only one hurt by this would be Favre and his already tarnished legacy (Unless of course you count the Vikings.). A year or two ago, I would have cared about his legacy, but no more. If the guy wants to go down in flames, and turn himself into a joke, so be it.
Laughing my ass off at this entire thing, I have to tell you. I had to go through this with Aikman. I was not happy about him talking to other teams but then when he decided to hang it up and go out reasonably together, it helped. Of course we've sucked butt since then and Romo is just Favre jr as far as I'm concerned (makes great plays and really bonehead ones).
For the record, I like Brett a lot but knowing the Green Bay fans fragile psyche at play, I have to laugh my butt off at this.
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This is starting to become the football version of Michael Jordan/Scottie Pippen/Phil Jackson vs. Jerry Krause of the Bulls dynasty.
I think this is a done deal. Favre so badly wants to stick it to Ted Thompson. What better way to do that than go play for a division rival?
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It's pretty funny... the Packers are disgusting, but this would be good for laughs, to upset Packers 'people' and who knows - maybe it's enough to push us into the Super Bowl - we are not far. Sage can get us there if Fav-ray can't.
"I hate Green Bay" - #4
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Hopefully, just a pro forma meeting out of courtesy each party for the other. He's done.
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This Packer fan believes that Sage Rosenfels is a better option for the Vikings at QB than Brett Favre is. I'm serious about this. Favre has fallen apart the last couple of years toward the end, and not just because of cold weather. It's because he's old. He had just as much trouble at the end of last year when the Jets were playing on the road in warm weather. He's done.
He'll try to do too much. The coaches will have him thowing the ball all over the place, when their best option is to hand the ball to Peterson 30+ times a day. I mean, they lost games last year because they had Jackson throw the ball too much. What do you think that coaching staff will do with Favre?
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knowing the Green Bay fans fragile psyche
What are you trying to say bud?! We've infiltrated your family - you gotta be careful with all that good taste walking around ya! :D
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I think this is a done deal. Favre so badly wants to stick it to Ted Thompson. What better way to do that than go play for a division rival?
Please please please please.
This is like Indiana playing Wisconsin. You're just delighted that at least one of them is going to (at least pathologically) lose out.
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Anyone a Vikings fan here?
If you are, would YOU wear a Favre jersey in purple and gold?
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favre is hamlet, he has to be the star of the drama. he's officially the boy who cried wolf
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Benedict Brett
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Anyone a Vikings fan here?
If you are, would YOU wear a Favre jersey in purple and gold?
Not a chance. I would wear a #4 jersey that said, "Farve" though.
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Not a chance. I would wear a #4 jersey that said, "Farve" though.
why would wear a misspelled "Farve" jersey instead of correctly spelled "Favre"?
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so you are saying that they would be worse off with farve than they are with traveris jackson?
Yes. No doubt in my mind. Favre obviously has experience and all that stuff on his side, but he is old, injured, self centered, and motivated by spite. He will be a determent to that team, not an asset. If you are looking strictly at ability, yes, you take Favre over Jackson, when you factor in age, health, motives -- everything, this thing would be a nightmare for teh Vikings and an absolute dream for the Packers and Bears.
In the end, I suspect the Vikings will be smart enough to see him for what he has become, and not to go down this road, so its probably all moot.
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Brett Favre will be introduced as the next QB coach in Minnesota later this week.
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I am a Packer fan and I would wear a purple #4 jersey that says "Judas" on the back.
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So is Favre going to go with the Vikes when they move to California too?
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I would like to use a creative metaphor to describe the situation from a Packer perspective...
So two people are married for a long time, and like any solid marriage, lots of ups, and a few downs. Well finally after threatening a divorce like 4 times (that both parties know is coming), the husband (Packers and Ted Thompson), send the bitch (Favre) packing.
The husband gets a new girlfriend with a lot of potential, and really doesn't pay attention all that much that his wife has moved on too, but keeping a watchful and interested eye. As time goes on, the husband has completely forgotten about his wife, because of his new new dime piece (Aaron Rodgers).
Now the ex-wife, like the tramp she is, is interested in the a-hole (Vikes) down the street. This douche is like an annoying knat in your life, and has a bunch of retarded kids (Harvin, Mckinnie, Sharper...), but realy he sucks at life and always chokes at whatever he does.
As the husband, everyone (ESPN and dumb Bear fans), thinks you are all pissed that your ex-wife is getting with this neighbor. Really, nothing could be further from the truth, and when this fling is over with you will always have great memories of your ex, and wish her the best.
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reinko...I think you've nailed it.
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Now the ex-wife, like the tramp she is, is interested in the a-hole (Vikes) down the street. This douche is like an annoying knat in your life, and has a bunch of retarded kids (Harvin, Mckinnie, Sharper...), but realy he sucks at life and always chokes at whatever he does.
Don't forget that douche down the street also has that shiny red sports car your would give your left nut to drive. (Peterson)
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da Bears
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Don't forget that douche down the street also has that shiny red sports car your would give your left nut to drive. (Peterson)
May be an awesome car, but it's no fun when you only drive it 3 months out of the year...
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To: the Vikings and Favre: Be careful what you wish for.
Signed-Yankee Stadium
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To: the Vikings and Favre: Be careful what you wish for.
Signed-Yankee Stadium
I never knew Jim Rome posted on MUSCOOP.
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I would like to use a creative metaphor to describe the situation from a Packer perspective...
So two people are married for a long time, and like any solid marriage, lots of ups, and a few downs. Well finally after threatening a divorce like 4 times (that both parties know is coming), the husband (Packers and Ted Thompson), send the bitch (Favre) packing.
The husband gets a new girlfriend with a lot of potential, and really doesn't pay attention all that much that his wife has moved on too, but keeping a watchful and interested eye. As time goes on, the husband has completely forgotten about his wife, because of his new new dime piece (Aaron Rodgers).
Now the ex-wife, like the tramp she is, is interested in the a-hole (Vikes) down the street. This douche is like an annoying knat in your life, and has a bunch of retarded kids (Harvin, Mckinnie, Sharper...), but realy he sucks at life and always chokes at whatever he does.
As the husband, everyone (ESPN and dumb Bear fans), thinks you are all pissed that your ex-wife is getting with this neighbor. Really, nothing could be further from the truth, and when this fling is over with you will always have great memories of your ex, and wish her the best.
And when the wedding of one of your children occurs, you'll happily dance with the ex-wife knowing the worst is behind you. (This is analogous to the retirement ceremony five years from now when all of this will be forgotten by most Packer fans.)
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Laughing my ass off at this entire thing, I have to tell you. I had to go through this with Aikman. I was not happy about him talking to other teams but then when he decided to hang it up and go out reasonably together, it helped. Of course we've sucked butt since then and Romo is just Favre jr as far as I'm concerned (makes great plays and really bonehead ones).
For the record, I like Brett a lot but knowing the Green Bay fans fragile psyche at play, I have to laugh my butt off at this.
Last year, Packer fans would have been in an uproar about this. Now, most Packer fans really don't care. It's too bad that my favorite football player of all time has become another one of those athletes who can't let it go and turns out to be a bigger ass than everyone thought he was, but ah well...life goes on.
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I would like to use a creative metaphor to describe the situation from a Packer perspective...
So two people are married for a long time, and like any solid marriage, lots of ups, and a few downs. Well finally after threatening a divorce like 4 times (that both parties know is coming), the husband (Packers and Ted Thompson), send the bitch (Favre) packing.
The husband gets a new girlfriend with a lot of potential, and really doesn't pay attention all that much that his wife has moved on too, but keeping a watchful and interested eye. As time goes on, the husband has completely forgotten about his wife, because of his new new dime piece (Aaron Rodgers).
Now the ex-wife, like the tramp she is, is interested in the a-hole (Vikes) down the street. This douche is like an annoying knat in your life, and has a bunch of retarded kids (Harvin, Mckinnie, Sharper...), but realy he sucks at life and always chokes at whatever he does.
As the husband, everyone (ESPN and dumb Bear fans), thinks you are all pissed that your ex-wife is getting with this neighbor. Really, nothing could be further from the truth, and when this fling is over with you will always have great memories of your ex, and wish her the best.
Your analogy probably isn't too far off... but the items highlighted in BLUE and RED don't really match.
The things written in BLUE seem pretty bitter, while the things in RED claim that Packer fans aren't pissed.
To be honest, I can understand why fans are disappointed and kinda pissed, but really the guy just wants to play football. Screw the "legacy" BS... the guy still likes to play. It's not like he can retire and just go play in a rec league to get his football fix.
I agree that the back and forth retire/unretire stuff is annoying, but the "ruined the legacy" (not directing this comment to anybody here)thing is BS. He's just plain ole Brett, the redneck quarterback. He's not "St. Brett, the chosen one". Nobody should be surprised that he'll do anything to play. It's part of his DNA. The same ultra competitive DNA that made him super-human in cold weather games for all of those years
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To be honest, I can understand why fans are disappointed and kinda pissed, but really the guy just wants to play football. Screw the "legacy" BS... the guy still likes to play. It's not like he can retire and just go play in a rec league to get his football fix.
I agree that the back and forth retire/unretire stuff is annoying, but the "ruined the legacy" thing is BS. He's just plain ole Brett, the redneck quarterback. He's not "St. Brett, the chosen one".
Boy are you wrong, and I assure you, this is not bitterness, at least not from me. The guy has proven himself to be a "bitch" as was stated in the analogy. He doesn't just want to play football. He wants to play football just because he had his feelings hurt.
Since his retirement from the Jets, Favre admitted in interviews that at least part of his motivation to return was out of vengeance against Thompson, whom Favre thought was the sole person standing in the way of him returning to the Packers.
"Part of me coming back last year, I have to admit now, was sticking it to Ted," Favre told SI.com in February.
A Jets executive said at the Senior Bowl in January that Favre's feelings toward Thompson were well known around the organization.
"Boy, does Favre have it bad out bad for Thompson," the source said then. "He talked about the Packers all the time. He's obsessed with them. I don't know if he's ever going to let it go."
Said a Jets teammate: "It's not over between him and the Packers. I know a lot of it started from the people around him. But he's bought into it."
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/44423352.html
His motivation is clearly not just to play football. His words, not mine.
I wish him and the Vikings lots of luck if they go through with this thing. As I said, I am assuming the Vikings will be smart enough not to get caught up in this nonsense, as it will not end well for them.
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Boy are you wrong, and I assure you, this is not bitterness, at least not from me. The guy has proven himself to be a "bitch" as was stated in the analogy. He doesn't just want to play football. He wants to play football just because he had his feelings hurt.
Since his retirement from the Jets, Favre admitted in interviews that at least part of his motivation to return was out of vengeance against Thompson, whom Favre thought was the sole person standing in the way of him returning to the Packers.
"Part of me coming back last year, I have to admit now, was sticking it to Ted," Favre told SI.com in February.
A Jets executive said at the Senior Bowl in January that Favre's feelings toward Thompson were well known around the organization.
"Boy, does Favre have it bad out bad for Thompson," the source said then. "He talked about the Packers all the time. He's obsessed with them. I don't know if he's ever going to let it go."
Said a Jets teammate: "It's not over between him and the Packers. I know a lot of it started from the people around him. But he's bought into it."
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/44423352.html
His motivation is clearly not just to play football. His words, not mine.
I wish him and the Vikings lots of luck if they go through with this thing. As I said, I am assuming the Vikings will be smart enough not to get caught up in this nonsense, as it will not end well for them.
Fair point. His motivation/reasons aren't as pure as "he wants to play football". I stand corrected.
The guy is uber-competitive (again, part of the DNA that made him great) and can't let the Thompson thing go. It is kind of sad. He's not the first athlete to go through this, and he won't be the last.
However, saying there is no bitterness and call him a bitch in the same paragraph just doesn't seem to jive for me.
If people aren't bitter, why the name calling, "bitch", "Judas", etc?
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Fair point. His motivation/reasons aren't as pure as "he wants to play football". I stand corrected.
The guy is uber-competitive (again, part of the DNA that made him great) and can't let the Thompson thing go. It is kind of sad. He's not the first athlete to go through this, and he won't be the last.
However, saying there is no bitterness and call him a bitch in the same paragraph just doesn't seem to jive for me.
If people aren't bitter, why the name calling, "bitch", "Judas", etc?
Probably because most Packers fans actually respect rivals like the Bears (franchise and fans) and well our thoughts on the Vikes, are, well, pure disdain.
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If people aren't bitter, why the name calling, "bitch", "Judas", etc?
Well, the 'bitch' part was for the sake of the analogy, and as I said, that is kinda what he has been acting like. Not sure that qualifies as bitter. Judas, yeah that might apply. I have no doubt some are bitter, but I would suggest they are a small minority at this point. I would say pity is far more prevalent than disdain at this point.
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I wish him and the Vikings lots of luck if they go through with this thing. As I said, I am assuming the Vikings will be smart enough not to get caught up in this nonsense, as it will not end well for them.
Most of the sportwriters here feel that it is going to be done later this week. The Viqueens have two main reasons for doing this....1. Childress only has one year left on his contract and needs to win now. 2. Wilf wants a new $1 billion stadium and his mindset is that he has to win in order to win over the casual fans to support a new stadium.
They are both desperate. They don't win and Childress is gone and the Viqueens are off to L.A..
The Saints just signed a long term deal for the Superdome, meaning no winning = no stadium = LA Viqueens.
They could be the third team to leave here in the last 50 years or so. I am glad I am not a Minnesota fan in any way, but I sure am glad I get to see their grief firsthand.
On a side note...Most of my friends here do not want Favre here. Last year they wanted him, but not this year.
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I have some disdain toward the man because of his motivation to "stick it" to my team. But I'm nowhere near as much concerned as I was last year around this time. I'm actually hoping that he joins the Vikings because of the spectacular entertainment value.
There is some of the ex-girlfriend factor at work here, kinda like I have with Crean and Mike Holmgren.
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Probably because most Packers fans actually respect rivals like the Bears (franchise and fans) and well our thoughts on the Vikes, are, well, pure disdain.
Alright, well, I don't want to hijack this thread, but I'll ask the question: What makes Vikes fans so bad?
To be honest, I've been to all 3 stadiums, and I've seen intelligent football fans and drunk a-holes wearing all 3 colors (Bears/Vikes/Pack). Please don't tell me that it's because the Vikes have "more a-hole fans"... nobody really knows that.
While each city/organization is somewhat unique, the overall culture is basically just "midwest NFL fans" (include Detroit) and the differences between the 4 organizations/fans are probably more based in perception than reality.
If you run into a bunch of drunk a-hole vikes fans, then your perception is that it's a bad organization and a terrible group of people.
Are Packer fans really "better" than Bear fans? Depends on where you're sitting I suppose.
Are Viking fans the scum of the earth? Some of them probably are.
Are Bear fans stupid fat guys? Depends on who you are talking to.
With all of this said, this is what makes for great rivalries. "Bear fans are idiots" "Vikings fans are trash" "Pack fans are inbred", etc. etc. The stereotypes and generalizations make it fun to hate another team.
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I have some disdain toward the man because of his motivation to "stick it" to my team. But I'm nowhere near as much concerned as I was last year around this time. I'm actually hoping that he joins the Vikings because of the spectacular entertainment value.
There is some of the ex-girlfriend factor at work here, kinda like I have with Crean and Mike Holmgren.
That's a fair assessment. I expect most fans to feel the same way.
Here's an interesting way to flip it for Packer fans:
Say after the 1998 season Chris Carter said that he wants to be traded because he didn't like the way Randy Moss was hogging all of the passes.
Would some Vikes fans have hated Denny Green and Red for no catering to Chris Carter? Yes.
Would some Vikes fans have hated Chris Carter for leaving for the Packers? Yes.
Would there be a lot of bitterness? Yes.
Would the Packers be glad to take him? Hell yes.
Would a lot/all Packer fans get over their hatred of Chris Carter? Yes.
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Well, the 'bitch' part was for the sake of the analogy, and as I said, that is kinda what he has been acting like. Not sure that qualifies as bitter. Judas, yeah that might apply. I have no doubt some are bitter, but I would suggest they are a small minority at this point. I would say pity is far more prevalent than disdain at this point.
That is fine, i'm glad that all these people calling him: bitch, judas, and benedict favre are either a small minority or have no hard feelings. I don't believe that but i'll concede the point.
The reason it makes me happy is because he's no longer a hero. His Icon status is gone. I got an email once that had favre's "career stats" at soldier field. I looked at them for 30 seconds, did some math, and responded to all saying that although he had played well there he didn't avg 540 yards a game with 5.2 tds. I will never have to get a bull$h!t email like that again. You can keep saying that people don't have hard feelings while at the same time saying that the qb who played for well over a decade is a 'tramp'. And perhaps that will be true in time, but packer fans won't get a hard on every time they see a number 4 anymore.
As for Favre v jackson v sage:
1) i think the cold is a big factor in him breaking down at the end of the year.
2) even if it isn't, i would rather have a guy who starts off playing well and gets worse as the season goes on than one that sucks at the start and continues to do so for 16 games.
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Alright, well, I don't want to hijack this thread, but I'll ask the question: What makes Vikes fans so bad?
To be honest, I've been to all 3 stadiums, and I've seen intelligent football fans and drunk a-holes wearing all 3 colors (Bears/Vikes/Pack). Please don't tell me that it's because the Vikes have "more a-hole fans"... nobody really knows that.
While each city/organization is somewhat unique, the overall culture is basically just "midwest NFL fans" (include Detroit) and the differences between the 4 organizations/fans are probably more based in perception than reality.
If you run into a bunch of drunk a-hole vikes fans, then your perception is that it's a bad organization and a terrible group of people.
Are Packer fans really "better" than Bear fans? Depends on where you're sitting I suppose.
Are Viking fans the scum of the earth? Some of them probably are.
Are Bear fans stupid fat guys? Depends on who you are talking to.
With all of this said, this is what makes for great rivalries. "Bear fans are idiots" "Vikings fans are trash" "Pack fans are inbred", etc. etc. The stereotypes and generalizations make it fun to hate another team.
When you have trouble selling out your dump of a dome for a HOME playoff game, your franchise and fans are terrible.
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When you have trouble selling out your dump of a dome for a HOME playoff game, your franchise and fans are terrible.
What about the Packers playing in County Stadium?
Isn't that because they were having trouble drawing enough fans up in GB? (serious question, I'm not completely up to date on my Packers history)
Also, if the Vikes did sell out last year, then they would be good fans and a good organization?
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What about the Packers playing in County Stadium?
Isn't that because they were having trouble drawing enough fans up in GB? (serious question, I'm not completely up to date on my Packers history)
Yes...in the 1940s. The Packers stayed in Milwaukee to "thank" the fans for supporting them and to protect Milwaukee as part of Packer country. But after the 60s, the Packers were so entrenched in fans of Milwaukee that they could have moved to "all Green Bay" 20 years earlier and it wouldn't have made a difference.
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What about the Packers playing in County Stadium?
Isn't that because they were having trouble drawing enough fans up in GB? (serious question, I'm not completely up to date on my Packers history)
Also, if the Vikes did sell out last year, then they would be good fans and a good organization?
I'm painting with a very broad brush if you haven't noticed...
I wish they would have done away with the MKE season ticket holders long ago...the atmosphere is night and day when it is a MKE game.
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It would be pretty hard to move an NFC North team to LA without having to completely redo all of the divisions again... who would move into the NFC north instead of LA? Saint Louis Rams?
I guess it makes the most geographical sense, but in terms of rivalries, things will get flipped.
If Minnescrotum moves to LA a little part of my football fandom will die.
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Alright, well, I don't want to hijack this thread, but I'll ask the question: What makes Vikes fans so bad?
To be honest, I've been to all 3 stadiums, and I've seen intelligent football fans and drunk a-holes wearing all 3 colors (Bears/Vikes/Pack). Please don't tell me that it's because the Vikes have "more a-hole fans"... nobody really knows that.
While each city/organization is somewhat unique, the overall culture is basically just "midwest NFL fans" (include Detroit) and the differences between the 4 organizations/fans are probably more based in perception than reality.
If you run into a bunch of drunk a-hole vikes fans, then your perception is that it's a bad organization and a terrible group of people.
Are Packer fans really "better" than Bear fans? Depends on where you're sitting I suppose.
Are Viking fans the scum of the earth? Some of them probably are.
Are Bear fans stupid fat guys? Depends on who you are talking to.
With all of this said, this is what makes for great rivalries. "Bear fans are idiots" "Vikings fans are trash" "Pack fans are inbred", etc. etc. The stereotypes and generalizations make it fun to hate another team.
FWIW, when I was working for the Bears, arrests/fights at Soldier Field for Bears/Vikings games were twice as many as there were for Bears/Packers game.
Right or wrong when it comes to broadly labeling fan bases, but Packer fans at Soldier Field are generally pretty respectful people, and are just there to cheer on their team, more than trying to fight/egg on Bear fans. Smack talk still happens, but nowhere near the level/anger there is with Viking fans at Soldier.
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I'm painting with a very broad brush if you haven't noticed...
I wish they would have done away with the MKE season ticket holders long ago...the atmosphere is night and day when it is a MKE game.
So you don't like Milwaukee Packer fans either?
As far as the teams/fans, I've probably already spent too much time typing about it. It just amazes me the broad stereotypes that people apply to rival teams (and actually believe them).
Packer fans are a bunch of hicks with nothing better to do than worship at the alter of Lombardi. Everything in their life is Packer related because it's all they have. Without the Packers, they'd have nothing to live for.
Vikings fans are a bunch of drunk idiots with mullets who would rather see a GB loss than a MN win. It's a loser organization and all of the fans are losers. They are so jealous of GB.
Chicago fans are the worst. They ruined their great stadium by putting a spaceship on it, and they are still holding onto 1985 like it was yesterday. Tell them to stay over and Wrigley field if they just want to get drunk and act stupid. This is football. You need to KNOW THE GAME to watch it.
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FWIW, when I was working for the Bears, arrests/fights at Soldier Field for Bears/Vikings games were twice as many as there were for Bears/Packers game.
Right or wrong when it comes to broadly labeling fan bases, but Packer fans at Soldier Field are generally pretty respectful people, and are just there to cheer on their team, more than trying to fight/egg on Bear fans. Smack talk still happens, but nowhere near the level/anger there is with Viking fans at Soldier.
That's a fair take, and you may be right. Working security and evaluating the fanbase has certainly some merit.
It would be interesting to look at those numbers over several seasons and see the variations and well as the variables (night game/late game/early game/playoff implications/etc.)
I'd bet my car that their are more fights at a (relatively) warm weather night game vs. a really, really cold day game. In the really, really cold, people tend to be worried about staying warm (for the most part), not kicking each others ass.
Anyways, the best way to probably look at it is to admit that everybody has a bias and is likely to make broad statements about a rivals fanbase.
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I guess having lived in both Chicago and Milwaukee in the last few years, I sense that there is much more shared respect between Packers and Bears fans than they're used to be. Part of it was due to GB beating the Bears into submission in the 90s with Favre, part of it too I think is also because there hasn't exactly been a Jim McMahon-Charles Martin moment in a few decades to really rile up both fanbases.
I think at this point playing the Vikings is a bigger deal for both Bears and Packers fans than playing each other. First, consider the amount of antics of the Vikings both on and off the field (see Randy Moss and the party boat). Second, the number of former Packers and Bears players that end up in Minnesota. Third. the overall attitude of the Vikings fanbase towards both Bears and Packers' fans.
I don't think it would change much from the Bears fan persepctive on their feelings towards the Vikings, but for Favre to possibly go from GB to Minnesota (with a stop in NY on the way), it would be the equivilant of football armageddon. I know Favre doesn't have a hell of a lot in the tank, but to see what it would do to the rivalry would be interesting to see.
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Vikings fans are a bunch of drunk idiots with mullets who would rather see a GB loss than a MN win. It's a loser organization and all of the fans are losers. They are so jealous of GB.
Chicago fans are the worst. They ruined their great stadium by putting a spaceship on it
The original Soldier Field was a complete dump, not a great stadium. I have not been in the newer version so I cannot comment on that. I did not know that the Chicago fans put the spaceship up on the previous dump.
I have lived in Chicago for over 20 years, Milwaukee for 4 years (Pack was still playing 3 games a year there if I recall correctly) and MSP now for over 10 years. I can honestly say that Viking fans are the worst of the lot when it comes to loyalty (corporations have come in numerous times to avoid blackouts) although that dump of a dome does not help ticket sales. They are also very poor sports when they lose. When they show up at the Bears bar for the games, they are either in your face when they win or leaving out the back door with 7 minutes left in the game when they lose.
Packer fans on the other hand stick around and we share beers and congratulate each other and look forward to the next game no matter who wins.
I love it when Packer fans more so than Bears fans overrun the dome.
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TCTB...put it this way.
I am a Packer fan. If the Packers went away, I probably would start following the Bears more...and yes might one day actually be a fan. When the Bears went to the Super Bowl a couple of years ago, I wanted them to win. I don't actively root against the Bears unless it benefits the Packers.
I will never root for the Vikings. Ever. I actively root against them. If they ever played Satan's minions, I would be slapping horns on my head and smelling of sulfur. Why? Probably because they play indoors...don't sell out their games...the horn sucks...and Chicago is a much cooler city than Minneapolis/St. Paul ever will be.
I hate them.
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I heard this on the radio this morning:
I can see it coming: Favre fatigue replaces swine flu as next pandemic scare. And there are no known vaccines, short of dropping ESPN from your cable package.
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So you don't like Milwaukee Packer fans either?
As far as the teams/fans, I've probably already spent too much time typing about it. It just amazes me the broad stereotypes that people apply to rival teams (and actually believe them).
Packer fans are a bunch of hicks with nothing better to do than worship at the alter of Lombardi. Everything in their life is Packer related because it's all they have. Without the Packers, they'd have nothing to live for.
Vikings fans are a bunch of drunk idiots with mullets who would rather see a GB loss than a MN win. It's a loser organization and all of the fans are losers. They are so jealous of GB.
Chicago fans are the worst. They ruined their great stadium by putting a spaceship on it, and they are still holding onto 1985 like it was yesterday. Tell them to stay over and Wrigley field if they just want to get drunk and act stupid. This is football. You need to KNOW THE GAME to watch it.
I didn't say I hated them, just that if you take a look at who is selling their (season) tickets the vast majority will be MKE fans. They are more concerned with avoiding the mindf**k that is 43 S and 41 S after the game than actually cheering on their team.
Maybe I'm just bitter because I'm so far down on the season tickets list..
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I will never root for the Vikings. Ever. I actively root against them. If they ever played Satan's minions, I would be slapping horns on my head and smelling of sulfur. Why? Probably because they play indoors...don't sell out their games...the horn sucks...and Chicago is a much cooler city than Minneapolis/St. Paul ever will be.
I hate them.
Zing.
All fair points, and I guess that why the rivalry is so good.
To be honest, when I moved to WI, I couldn't stand the "pack attack weather" on the news every night, or the prime time sports reports talking about the packers mini-camp in May, the updates from Mississippi with Brett on his tractor, etc. etc.
I feel like it's really overkill and a strange Packers cult that people get into. At that time, St. Brett was king and nobody dared say anything bad about him.
I respect the "fandom" of Green Bay fans, but I have to say that objectivity isn't a strong trait in most GB fans. It's a historically good/great organization, but I think some GB fans take it to an obscene level.*
*this same phrase could be said about a lot of different teams.
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Quote from: 2002mualum on Today at 10:43:17 AM
Alright, well, I don't want to hijack this thread, but I'll ask the question: What makes Vikes fans so bad?
See the posts of user Jay Bee in this thread:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=10794.0 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=10794.0)
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Another Packer diehard weighing in, and reiterating the consensus. I hate the Bears because I HAVE to. I hate the Vikings because I LOATHE them.
Generally, I've had good interactions with most fans from visiting teams, Bears fans included. Met some great Giants fans at the NFC Championship game. The consensus around Lambeau is that it's our duty to provide Midwest hospitality to visiting fans (specifically from outside the division) while unconditionally cheering for our team.
When the Vikings come to town, that all goes out the window. I'm not sure I've ever met a Vikings fan at Lambeau or elsewhere that doesn't show some kind of strange inferiority complex about the pecking order in this division, based on the history of the franchises.
I would have no problem throwing a few back at a tailgate outside of Lambeau with some Bears fans, then, of course, becoming "enemies" as tradition dictates once we enter the stadium. The same can't be said for our rivals from the west.
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Zing.
All fair points, and I guess that why the rivalry is so good.
To be honest, when I moved to WI, I couldn't stand the "pack attack weather" on the news every night, or the prime time sports reports talking about the packers mini-camp in May, the updates from Mississippi with Brett on his tractor, etc. etc.
I feel like it's really overkill and a strange Packers cult that people get into. At that time, St. Brett was king and nobody dared say anything bad about him.
I respect the "fandom" of Green Bay fans, but I have to say that objectivity isn't a strong trait in most GB fans. It's a historically good/great organization, but I think some GB fans take it to an obscene level.*
*this same phrase could be said about a lot of different teams.
I am born and raised 20 miles from Green Bay, and have lived in WI my whole life (aside from a 7 month gig in Michigan) and I completely agree with you. The over blowing of everything Packers really started in the early 90's when they started getting good, and peaked in '96 when they won the super bowl. It was annoying then, and it is annoying now... and I completely agree with the objectivity... I can't go and watch a game in public without wanting to punch a fellow Packer fan in the face for complaining about every call that goes agains the Packers, or every call that is missed.
Drives me effing crazy.
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I'm not sure I've ever met a Vikings fan at Lambeau or elsewhere that doesn't show some kind of strange inferiority complex about the pecking order in this division, based on the history of the franchises.
Ha.
Interesting that you say that, because I would bet you can find a lot of MN fans who say that Packer fans obnoxiously act like their franchise is the greatest thing in sports, and Lambeau is the greatest place ever, and the Vikings and their fans should thank the Packers and their fans for the privilege of playing them.
The Pack was BAD for a lot of years, and I think a lot of MN fans remember that.
To use a male/female analogy like earlier in this thread:
Packers are the tall awkward looking girl who went to camp for the summer and came back looking hot and was in high demand (probably happened in about 1992). Now she's the popular girl and somewhat looks down at all of the other girls/guys in the division.
The Vikings are the guy down the street that remembers what she used to look like (80's), and now resent the fact that she thinks she is better than him. She may be better than him now, but she certainly wasn't better than him last summer when they got together.
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Not trying to annoy people with "hey, I used to work for the Bears" info, but I can tell you first hand that before the renovation, Soldier Field was an absolute dump. I did player relations activities during the 2000 season, and one of my duties was to escort players family members to the "family room" underneath the stadium. That room was an absolute joke, I wish I had pictures of it. Your parents basement growing up was probably a nicer room.
To 2002's question/point...most Bears/Vikings game the last decade have been October day games. You do make a good point in that most Bears/Packers game (at Soldier) have been night and/or December games. Makes a big difference, no doubt. Overall though, if I had kids, I would feel much safer/better taking them to Bears/Packers than Bears/Vikings, based on my experience.
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What are you trying to say bud?! We've infiltrated your family - you gotta be careful with all that good taste walking around ya! :D
Exactly, but fortunately we're 2000 miles away and don't have to deal with the day to day. When people are waiting hours in their car to buy a piece of sod from Lambeau, there are issues....fragile issues. ;D
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To 2002's question/point...most Bears/Vikings game the last decade have been October day games. You do make a good point in that most Bears/Packers game (at Soldier) have been night and/or December games. Makes a big difference, no doubt. Overall though, if I had kids, I would feel much safer/better taking them to Bears/Packers than Bears/Vikings, based on my experience.
Totally fair.
Anecdotal evidence is valid, and you've had some experience to back up your belief.
To be honest, I don't know that I would be compelled to take a kid to any NFL game. I like the NFL a lot, but I have to admit that the fan bases for most/all teams take the games so seriously that it can get really ugly at a game in a hurry. No need for a 8 year old to witness a 45 year old guy wearing Zubaz stand up and scream obscenities at a ref and he's had 23 beers. And don't kid yourself, there are guys like that at every game for every team.
I'm not a big Vikes fan, but I always find it interesting that people jump to some pretty crazy conclusions if they see a bunch of people wearing purple acting up (maybe too much to drink, poor language, etc.). If those were wearing green/gold, a Packer fan might not even notice it, if they are wearing purple, it's an exact representation of how trashy the MN fans are.*
*For the record, silly Vikes fans jump to the same stupid conclusions about GB fans, again, it's a rivalry, so this stuff happens both ways.
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Last year, Packer fans would have been in an uproar about this. Now, most Packer fans really don't care. It's too bad that my favorite football player of all time has become another one of those athletes who can't let it go and turns out to be a bigger ass than everyone thought he was, but ah well...life goes on.
The Packer fans I know will be in an uproar two times a year at the very least. With him going to the Jets, it was like your favorite baseball player going from the national league to the American league. You watch, but you know you're not going to see him in person most likely. This will be a little different.....IF it happens. I'm highly skeptical it happens.
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Ha.
Interesting that you say that, because I would bet you can find a lot of MN fans who say that Packer fans obnoxiously act like their franchise is the greatest thing in sports, and Lambeau is the greatest place ever, and the Vikings and their fans should thank the Packers and their fans for the privilege of playing them.
The Pack was BAD for a lot of years, and I think a lot of MN fans remember that.
To use a male/female analogy like earlier in this thread:
Packers are the tall awkward looking girl who went to camp for the summer and came back looking hot and was in high demand (probably happened in about 1992). Now she's the popular girl and somewhat looks down at all of the other girls/guys in the division.
The Vikings are the guy down the street that remembers what she used to look like (80's), and now resent the fact that she thinks she is better than him. She may be better than him now, but she certainly wasn't better than him last summer when they got together.
Hmmm.. greatest thing in sports? Maybe. Lambeau the greatest place? Definitely.
At the same time, it speaks volumes that we can have civil relationships with Bears fans and Vikings fans will go out of their way to be d-bags.
In either case, I'll continue to park in the same area at Lambeau with the same group of people, and we'll all continue to grill brats and hand them to passers-by free of charge, be they Packer fans or not. If that makes me "the girl that used to be ugly who thinks she's cool now", then I guess that's what I'll be.
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Totally fair.
Anecdotal evidence is valid, and you've had some experience to back up your belief.
To be honest, I don't know that I would be compelled to take a kid to any NFL game. I like the NFL a lot, but I have to admit that the fan bases for most/all teams take the games so seriously that it can get really ugly at a game in a hurry. No need for a 8 year old to witness a 45 year old guy wearing Zubaz stand up and scream obscenities at a ref and he's had 23 beers. And don't kid yourself, there are guys like that at every game for every team.
I'm not a big Vikes fan, but I always find it interesting that people jump to some pretty crazy conclusions if they see a bunch of people wearing purple acting up (maybe too much to drink, poor language, etc.). If those were wearing green/gold, a Packer fan might not even notice it, if they are wearing purple, it's an exact representation of how trashy the MN fans are.*
*For the record, silly Vikes fans jump to the same stupid conclusions about GB fans, again, it's a rivalry, so this stuff happens both ways.
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I don't know at what age I would start taking him/her, but I would not take my kid to an NFL game. You nailed it right on the head, knocked it out of the ball park. Perhaps a preseason game, but not in a million years would I take a child of mine to a regular season NFL game.
I'd be interested to know from a Pack fan standpoint, what the fan experience is like at Lambeau. Loud and obnoxious (sometimes funny, sometimes annoying, sometimes embarassing) is fairly normal in Chicago.
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I'd be interested to know from a Pack fan standpoint, what the fan experience is like at Lambeau. Loud and obnoxious (sometimes funny, sometimes annoying, sometimes embarassing) is fairly normal in Chicago.
I'll be honest I've only been to 1 game in the last 9 or so years, but at the Colts game last year I don't remember anything too bad. Like 2002 said, there will always be points where you hear obscenities, but I don't remember them much at all. As far as treating opposing fans, there were quite a few Manning jerseys around us and people gave them crap, but it was always jokingly and everyone around knew it. A couple guys gave it to 2 guys with Colts jerseys on the whole game and then at the end of the game, when the Packers had it in hand, the 2 guys bought the Colts fans some beers. Personally I don't remember too much that would have made me think it was a bad atmosphere for somebody 8 years old.
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I don't know at what age I would start taking him/her, but I would not take my kid to an NFL game. You nailed it right on the head, knocked it out of the ball park. Perhaps a preseason game, but not in a million years would I take a child of mine to a regular season NFL game.
I'd be interested to know from a Pack fan standpoint, what the fan experience is like at Lambeau. Loud and obnoxious (sometimes funny, sometimes annoying, sometimes embarassing) is fairly normal in Chicago.
I hate the Green Bay Puke with every fiber of my being, but I don't think there's anything wrong with bringing a child to a game. At least a middle schooler. I went there many times at least as a middle schooler and was fine.
Did I mention I hate the Packers?
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I don't know at what age I would start taking him/her, but I would not take my kid to an NFL game. You nailed it right on the head, knocked it out of the ball park. Perhaps a preseason game, but not in a million years would I take a child of mine to a regular season NFL game.
I'd be interested to know from a Pack fan standpoint, what the fan experience is like at Lambeau. Loud and obnoxious (sometimes funny, sometimes annoying, sometimes embarassing) is fairly normal in Chicago.
While I agree with the general premise of this argument, I'd say that preseason games (at Lambeau, at least) are worse. Less serious football fans, more pregame beer consumption (well, okay, maybe an equal amount, but in much hotter temperatures) and all interest in the game is gone by about mid 2nd quarter. Those get rougher than regular season games.
As far as the OVERALL fan experience, the only thing I've seen close to resembling a fight has been at Packers-Vikings games. Most of the time, fans are accommodating to fans of rival teams. Sure, some hearty ribbing, but it's all good natured and very, very rarely do things get out of hand. At least I know my dad and I always try to make small talk and connections with people from other teams, welcoming them to the stadium and whatnot, and I know I've seen many others do the same.
Still, for middle school age and below, you never know what you MIGHT here on any given day once the beer is flowing a little bit.
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Totally fair.
Anecdotal evidence is valid, and you've had some experience to back up your belief.
To be honest, I don't know that I would be compelled to take a kid to any NFL game. I like the NFL a lot, but I have to admit that the fan bases for most/all teams take the games so seriously that it can get really ugly at a game in a hurry. No need for a 8 year old to witness a 45 year old guy wearing Zubaz stand up and scream obscenities at a ref and he's had 23 beers. And don't kid yourself, there are guys like that at every game for every team.
I'm not a big Vikes fan, but I always find it interesting that people jump to some pretty crazy conclusions if they see a bunch of people wearing purple acting up (maybe too much to drink, poor language, etc.). If those were wearing green/gold, a Packer fan might not even notice it, if they are wearing purple, it's an exact representation of how trashy the MN fans are.*
*For the record, silly Vikes fans jump to the same stupid conclusions about GB fans, again, it's a rivalry, so this stuff happens both ways.
I took my Packer die hard son (he was 9 at the time) to a Cowboys - Packers game two years ago and it was great. He had his Pack stuff on but I thought the fans treated him and other Packers fans well. A few jokes here and there, but nothing threatening. Some places, it can get nasty, however. I was at the Ducks - Red Wings game Tuesday night and there were more than a few scuffles in the crowd with Detroit fan.
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In regards to kids at games, I think a lot of it has to do with where you sit. My Bears season tickets are non PSL's in the North end zone. Some games, I've spent half a quarter watching an all out brawl in the next section over rather than what was going on out on the field. I heard Greenberg on Mike & Mike a few days ago also mention that the only time he'll bring his kids to a Jets game is if he's sitting up in a box watching it.
Preseason games at Soldier Field are empty for the most part. I usually try to give my seats up for those two games. It's usually pretty difficult to find takers for them. I can see PXI's point though about it being worse. If it's like it is in Chicago, you have alot of non regulars going to those games. I'm guessing they want to get the full Lambeau experience and tailgate hard and what not. Valid point.
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I think this is all pretty funny.
As a middle school kid I knew that people fought (I had been in a few myself by that point)
I knew every dirty word in the book (save maybe a few gems I heard about later... in high school)
Why is everyone obsessed with babying their children nowadays?
Simply explain to them or to someone around you, when you see the objectionable behavior, that those people are jackasses who act like children... and that (your son or daughter) acts like more of a grown up than they do.
Most kids can put it together what is acceptable and not acceptable behavior with just a tiny bit of direction.
unfortunately there are probably quite a few parents out there who stand up and chant, "fight, fight!!!"... and those people are no better than the people fighting.
all of this said, I will never take my future children to an Eagles game... they throw batteries at Santa, FFS.
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I can't go and watch a game in public without wanting to punch a fellow Packer fan in the face for complaining about every call that goes agains the Packers, or every call that is missed.
Drives me effing crazy.
Yeah...almost as bad as being on MUScoop during a Marquette game.
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I think this is all pretty funny.
As a middle school kid I knew that people fought (I had been in a few myself by that point)
I knew every dirty word in the book (save maybe a few gems I heard about later... in high school)
Why is everyone obsessed with babying their children nowadays?
Simply explain to them or to someone around you, when you see the objectionable behavior, that those people are jackasses who act like children... and that (your son or daughter) acts like more of a grown up than they do.
Most kids can put it together what is acceptable and not acceptable behavior with just a tiny bit of direction.
unfortunately there are probably quite a few parents out there who stand up and chant, "fight, fight!!!"... and those people are no better than the people fighting.
all of this said, I will never take my future children to an Eagles game... they throw batteries at Santa, FFS.
I know kids know all of the words and stuff... it's one thing for kids* to "know" about all of the words and behavior, it's another for them to see an adult actually acting like that.
I'm not saying it's going to scar a kid for life or anything... I'm just saying I'm much more likely to take a kid to a baseball game than a football game.
I really like football, but emotions run hot when there are only 16 games per season.
(*for me I'm speaking about younger kids, maybe 7-11)
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I really like football, but emotions run hot when there are only 16 games per season.
(*for me I'm speaking about younger kids, maybe 7-11)
I had a run in with one of these kids at a Titans - Bears game a few years back in Nashville. FWIW it was the game where the Bears won with a safety in overtime.
Anyway, I have found Titans fans in general to be very nice even when there team is losing, but I had a kid who looked to be about 11 give me the finger and tell me to F off when I stood to cheer for a Pic 6, he then explained it should have been pass interference.
You can find stupid fans at every stadium in every city. And while I hate the Packers and Vikings, I haven't seen anything go on in either stadium while watching the Bears play that I would find to be anything out of the ordinary.
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You can find stupid fans at every stadium in every city. And while I hate the Packers and Vikings, I haven't seen anything go on in either stadium while watching the Bears play that I would find to be anything out of the ordinary.
I agree with that completely, which is why I always want to ask the follow-up questions about why people hate the Vikings and their fans so much.
Are they really different from any other NFL city and team? Or is it just the rivalry that creates the general dislike friction between the fans (which creates the perception that X team has terrible fans).
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I agree with that completely, which is why I always want to ask the follow-up questions about why people hate the Vikings and their fans so much.
Are they really different from any other NFL city and team? Or is it just the rivalry that creates the general dislike friction between the fans (which creates the perception that X team has terrible fans).
I think Randy Moss wiping his arse-end on the goal post went a loooong way toward intensifying the bad blood GB fans have toward the Vikes.
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I think Randy Moss wiping his arse-end on the goal post went a loooong way toward intensifying the bad blood GB fans have toward the Vikes.
As a diehard Packer fan that upset me, but I thought it was absolutely hilarious. That and Buck's reaction. TV gold.
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I think Randy Moss wiping his arse-end on the goal post went a loooong way toward intensifying the bad blood GB fans have toward the Vikes.
I can see that, but I also chalk that up to good rivalry stuff.
If a Packer player did that at the Dome, Pack fans would have gone crazy and thought it was funny.
It didn't make me "proud" to see that, but I did think it was funny.
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I think this is all pretty funny.
As a middle school kid I knew that people fought (I had been in a few myself by that point)
I knew every dirty word in the book (save maybe a few gems I heard about later... in high school)
Why is everyone obsessed with babying their children nowadays?
Simply explain to them or to someone around you, when you see the objectionable behavior, that those people are jackasses who act like children... and that (your son or daughter) acts like more of a grown up than they do.
Most kids can put it together what is acceptable and not acceptable behavior with just a tiny bit of direction.
unfortunately there are probably quite a few parents out there who stand up and chant, "fight, fight!!!"... and those people are no better than the people fighting.
all of this said, I will never take my future children to an Eagles game... they throw batteries at Santa, FFS.
I think you're not understanding the point, at least from my perspective.
I wouldn't take my kid to a game because...
-The idiot throwing snowballs/ice at the idiot opposing team fan sitting two rows in front of me. The snow/ice may be directed at the other fan, but ends up hitting me/others around me
-The drunk idiot throwing punches at the guy two rows above me, them losing their balance and tumbling down a row onto bystanders
-Jerk who throws three/fourths of his beer in the air after a touchdown
This has nothing to do with "babying" kids. It has everything to do with physical safety. If my wife wasn't a tough gal, I would be worried to take her to games.
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I understand, but I have never seen conduct like that at a Packer game at Lambeau...
and if I did, I'd be the first to grab the ushers and have them remove the offender.
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I think Randy Moss wiping his arse-end on the goal post went a loooong way toward intensifying the bad blood GB fans have toward the Vikes.
you mean when he pretended to moon the crowd? I remember some pro-packer poster came on here screaming about how he had to 'explain to his 6 year old what it was to moon someone.' Talk about pathetic babying of kids. And if packer fans didn't like it then don't do it to the visiting team's bus.
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If a Packer player did that at the Dome, Pack fans would have gone crazy and thought it was funny.
No, I would have questioned why we have an immature idiot on our team.
“When you get in the endzone, act like you've been there before.” - Bear Bryant
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No, I would have questioned why we have an immature idiot on our team.
“When you get in the endzone, act like you've been there before.” - Bear Bryant
Fair.
What about Brett picking up a receiver and carrying him down field. Is that acting like he has been there before?
I know the response will probably be something about how Randy is classless or something, but if we are going by the "act like you have been there before" bit, then plenty of Packers violate that "rule" all of the time.
I'm not a Randy Moss defender by any means... I'm just saying that a lot of Packer fans must not have been that offended because 3 years later they were crying for their team to trade for him.
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Where is Jay Bee in this discussion?? Surely he could provide insight to both the Favre saga, and d-bag 'Queen fans.
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I know the response will probably be something about how Randy is classless or something, but if we are going by the "act like you have been there before" bit, then plenty of Packers violate that "rule" all of the time.
Nope, you're spot on with that one. My sports fandom, for some reason, chalks up Favre's actions as a childish exuberance for the game and Moss' actions as being classless blah blah.
I'm not going to lie. My fandom definitely clouds my ability to judge these two situations fairly and accurately :)
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you mean when he pretended to moon the crowd? I remember some pro-packer poster came on here screaming about how he had to 'explain to his 6 year old what it was to moon someone.' Talk about pathetic babying of kids. And if packer fans didn't like it then don't do it to the visiting team's bus.
I didn't say I was particularly offended by it, simply that it fueled the hatred.
Nice mix of Moss here--hell of an athlete. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnC9_uNLy0A
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Actually, I think this is a "perfect storm" to overuse a cliche.
First, Favre retires yet again, has no interest in playing, but is still miffed at Thompson and GB
Then, an opportunity to rub GB's nose in becomes obvious to the Vikings and they find a willing participant in Favre who they approach.
Favre still has NO intentions of coming back but cannot resist busting Thompson's cubes, so he plays along.
The end game? Favre starts thinking he can still play and this gets really interesting. Now the Vikes have no where to go but to pursue it or look even stupider than they already are.
Prediction - Favre will not come back.
Hope- that he does and we kick their ass.
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Nope, you're spot on with that one. My sports fandom, for some reason, chalks up Favre's actions as a childish exuberance for the game and Moss' actions as being classless blah blah.
I'm not going to lie. My fandom definitely clouds my ability to judge these two situations fairly and accurately :)
That's fair if you can admit it... and again, that's what creates the rivalry. The team becomes part of the culture, the games become part of a family's rituals and people's ability to objectively look at their team (and it's rivals) becomes clouded.
I think all MN fans know how good Favre has always been... but every time he ran up and down the field after a TD made them hate him. Was he good? Yes. Did they hate him? Yes.
Same for Moss. GB fans HATED him. But, when he became available, a lot of GB fans were clamoring for a Favre2Moss connection. Was anybody complaining about his mooning the crowd then? Nope. They were dreaming about long bombs down the sideline and the superbowl. Nothing wrong with that, but you have to be able to admit it, ya know?
(This is like when MU played at UW 2 years ago and Jerel "shushed" the crowd after a big shot. I thought it was AWESOME. However, if a UW player did that in the BC, I'd be pissed.)
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Brett Favre is staying retired
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/packers.html
Green Bay - Provided the Yahoo! Sports report is correct (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/44541977.html) that Brett Favre has told the Minnesota Vikings in the past 24 hours that he is not coming back -- and there has been no confirmation anywhere else at this time -- it is doubtful we have heard the last about this topic.
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Brett Favre is staying retired
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/packers.html
Green Bay - Provided the Yahoo! Sports report is correct (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/44541977.html) that Brett Favre has told the Minnesota Vikings in the past 24 hours that he is not coming back -- and there has been no confirmation anywhere else at this time -- it is doubtful we have heard the last about this topic.
If Favre admitted today that he was coming back, we wouldn't have 8-10 weeks of nightly speculation and reports. It wouldn't be his style to make up his mind at this early stage. He'll keep dropping hints for the next few months to draw this out as long as humanly possible to maximize the attention he gets.
Even though I'm not a Packers fan, I used to really like Favre. But I can't stand him any more and am really, really tired of his annual, "it's time to kiss my ass and spend months talking about me while I decide if I want to play (even though I already made my decision and am just milking this for all it's worth)" routine. At this point I really hope he does come back and have a really crappy season (2005 and 2006 anyone?). I can't think of many players I'd rather see fail miserably than Favre. And it honestly makes me sad that it's come to that.
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Brett Favre is staying retired
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/packers.html
Green Bay - Provided the Yahoo! Sports report is correct (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/44541977.html) that Brett Favre has told the Minnesota Vikings in the past 24 hours that he is not coming back -- and there has been no confirmation anywhere else at this time -- it is doubtful we have heard the last about this topic.
Well, less drama, but not nearly as fun. Even if he wasn't the savior some Vikes fans thought, it would have made for a great storyline.
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The Vikings have sellout streak of 115 games, going back to 1997.
Fifteen years ago when I was new to Milwaukee, I found it odd that the lead story on the 6 o'clock news on a random day in the spring would be an 8-minute piece on an offensive lineman's offseason, including what he's planning to plant in his garden and what fertilizer he's using for his yard. But, I got used to it.
I did not like the idea of Darren Sharper joining our team, but quickly realized that he was a dope player and a good guy, just with the misfortune of playing for the green and maize, or whatever color those guys wear. Favre is another story... ideally, he would sign with the Vikings, come out in purple for one half and throw 5 TDs against the Packers... then we bench him while Sage takes us to the Super Bowl.
Whatever the case, the Vikings are the division champions. The only good things that have come out of the Packers organization are the Gilbertburger and some entertaining pickup lines I learned from Mark Chmura. But, hey... good luck guys. Butte-boy Erin Rodgers looks promising. If by promising you mean averages a turnover per game and over $10 million a year.
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The Vikings have sellout streak of 115 games, going back to 1997.
Fifteen years ago when I was new to Milwaukee, I found it odd that the lead story on the 6 o'clock news on a random day in the spring would be an 8-minute piece on an offensive lineman's offseason, including what he's planning to plant in his garden and what fertilizer he's using for his yard. But, I got used to it.
I did not like the idea of Darren Sharper joining our team, but quickly realized that he was a dope player and a good guy, just with the misfortune of playing for the green and maize, or whatever color those guys wear. Favre is another story... ideally, he would sign with the Vikings, come out in purple for one half and throw 5 TDs against the Packers... then we bench him while Sage takes us to the Super Bowl.
Whatever the case, the Vikings are the division champions. The only good things that have come out of the Packers organization are the Gilbertburger and some entertaining pickup lines I learned from Mark Chmura. But, hey... good luck guys. Butte-boy Erin Rodgers looks promising. If by promising you mean averages a turnover per game and over $10 million a year.
Give me one legitimate reason why you would want Tarvaris Jackson or Sage Rosenfels leading your team instead of Aaron Rodgers. I'd like a good laugh.
And for claiming to know your own team, do a little research on this "sell out" streak, you might be surprised at the corporate assistance that was necessary to make it happen.
EDIT: Heck, since it's summer vacation, let me do it for you.
http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/stories/2008/09/08/story9.html
The Vikings have sold out 116 consecutive home games, including this year’s two preseason games, but the team’s sponsors had to step in to buy the remaining tickets for several games last year to reach sellouts and avert television blackouts. By NFL rule, games that are not sold out 72 hours prior to kickoff cannot be shown on local television.
Oh, and another interesting tidbit.
Fewer than 1,000 tickets remain for the Vikings’ home opener against the Indianapolis Colts on Sept. 14, and team officials expect a sellout. Sales for the Green Bay Packers game on Nov. 9 — which require fans to also buy seats to the Carolina Panthers game on Sept. 21 — have been strong, but tickets are still available for that, too.
So... is that really the only way they can keep the Hump Dome from turning into a sea of green and gold...?
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They also had to get two extensions beyond the 72 hour rule just to sell out a home playoff game. A loss if I recall correctly.
Vikings Still Facing Blackout; Jared Allen Resorts to Begging
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/01/02/vikings-still-facing-blackout-jared-allen-resorts-to-begging/
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The Vikings have sellout streak of 115 games, going back to 1997.
Fifteen years ago when I was new to Milwaukee, I found it odd that the lead story on the 6 o'clock news on a random day in the spring would be an 8-minute piece on an offensive lineman's offseason, including what he's planning to plant in his garden and what fertilizer he's using for his yard. But, I got used to it.
I did not like the idea of Darren Sharper joining our team, but quickly realized that he was a dope player and a good guy, just with the misfortune of playing for the green and maize, or whatever color those guys wear. Favre is another story... ideally, he would sign with the Vikings, come out in purple for one half and throw 5 TDs against the Packers... then we bench him while Sage takes us to the Super Bowl.
Whatever the case, the Vikings are the division champions. The only good things that have come out of the Packers organization are the Gilbertburger and some entertaining pickup lines I learned from Mark Chmura. But, hey... good luck guys. Butte-boy Erin Rodgers looks promising. If by promising you mean averages a turnover per game and over $10 million a year.
This is a great example of a fan who really isn't being objective about his own favorite team or their rivals.
However, to be fair to Vikes fans (and Jay Bee), there are at least as many GB fans out there who aren't objective either.
So, while there might be some people thinking "See, Jay Bee is an example of why I hate Vikings fans, they don't even know what they are talking about", I bet I can walk into a corner bar in WI on any Sunday and find a GB fan who will spew a bunch of garbage about MN.
It cuts both ways. I promise. This is the reality.
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It cuts both ways. I promise. This is the reality.
Yes, and hopefully instead of fixating on the one prick you can appreciate the company of the group of good-natured guys that will chide you the whole game, but will end up including you in their rounds of shots/drinks while their at it.
Sports aren't as good without the rivalries. As much as I would have hated to see Favre in a Vikings uni next year, it would have gotten me to have a fully vested interest in more of the games :)
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Yes, and hopefully instead of fixating on the one prick you can appreciate the company of the group of good-natured guys that will chide you the whole game, but will end up including you in their rounds of shots/drinks while their at it.
Sports aren't as good without the rivalries. As much as I would have hated to see Favre in a Vikings uni next year, it would have gotten me to have a fully vested interest in more of the games :)
I would love to think the same way, but it continually baffles me that I can find groups of good-natured guys for just about any opponent that comes into Lambeau Field to share brats/brews with EXCEPT for Vikings fans. It's like entire wave of cloned blowhards at the stadium. One of the more remarkable things I've ever seen.
By no means are Packer fans perfect. There's certainly a blowhard contingent for Packer fans, and a rather large one, considering the size of the fan base. Proportionally, I wouldn't say it's any more than most teams, but most of my experiences AT the stadium have involved fans from our side being cordial and respectful to fans of the opposition.
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Obviously, viking fans are fighting an inferiority complex being a younger franchise, yet to win a Super Bowl, in close proximity to the hallowed tundra, the home of legends.
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Obviously, viking fans are fighting an inferiority complex being a younger franchise, yet to win a Super Bowl, in close proximity to the hallowed tundra, the home of legends.
Just to be clear, it's thoughts like this that really fuel the rivalry fire.
The Pack is certainly a historic organization, there is no doubt. It's probably the most unique in all of pro sports (small town, publicly owned, die hard fans, etc.)
But the whole "They are just jealous because we are the Packers and this is the "Hallowed Lambeau field"" gets old.
The Pack was AWFUL in the 70's and 80's, and nobody was talking about "the hallowed grounds" as the Pack was playing 1/2 of their home games away from Lambeau.
The 90's were great, and the organization is one of the better ones is all of sports (certainly more stability than the Vikes). I get that. But, there is a pretty large chunk of time when the Pack sucked and sucked bad, so let's not go overboard.
From 1968–1992, they only went to the playoffs 2 times, and recorded only 6 winning seasons. Nobody was marketing it as "the place of legends" back then, were they?
It's certainly a rivalry with the Vikes (and Bears), but let's not start the "they are just jealous" stuff. If the Vikes win 6 straight superbowls, their fans still wouldn't like the Packers, and it has nothing to do with jealousy. It's just the way it is.
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Just to be clear, it's thoughts like this that really fuel the rivalry fire.
The Pack is certainly a historic organization, there is no doubt. It's probably the most unique in all of pro sports (small town, publicly owned, die hard fans, etc.)
But the whole "They are just jealous because we are the Packers and this is the "Hallowed Lambeau field"" gets old.
The Pack was AWFUL in the 70's and 80's, and nobody was talking about "the hallowed grounds" as the Pack was playing 1/2 of their home games away from Lambeau.
The 90's were great, and the organization is one of the better ones is all of sports (certainly more stability than the Vikes). I get that. But, there is a pretty large chunk of time when the Pack sucked and sucked bad, so let's not go overboard.
From 1968–1992, they only went to the playoffs 2 times, and recorded only 6 winning seasons. Nobody was marketing it as "the place of legends" back then, were they?
It's certainly a rivalry with the Vikes (and Bears), but let's not start the "they are just jealous" stuff. If the Vikes win 6 straight superbowls, their fans still wouldn't like the Packers, and it has nothing to do with jealousy. It's just the way it is.
Wow, 2002, your sarcasm radar must be malfunctioning.
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Wow, 2002, your sarcasm radar must be malfunctioning.
ah ha.... you got me. Sorry about that.
Well, anyways, I'm probably a little oversensitive on that particular argument because I've heard it over and over again.
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As a Lions fan, let me just say the Randy Moss mooning thing was hysterical.
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I find it hysterical that Lions fans exist
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So do we.
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Looks like this story is not dead. Granted once again this is all unconfirmed but according to ESPN if his shoulder checks out he is coming back.
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Favre? Fear and loathing in Hattiesburg. Hamlet in shoulder pads.
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http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/102232-vikings-plan-b-vick-or-anderson?eref=fromSI
Haha really? So not only would they want the old, washed up Favre, who has historically been terrible in the Hump Dome (although if he had it as his home field that may change rather than just once a year), but if that doesn't work they're willing to look into taking a thug who is exiting from jail after 2 years. This is also a guy who wasn't even a good quarterback when he had been playing every day, and now he's coming back after 2 years away from the game.
That's the Vikings for you, folks. And why as a Packers fan, why I will never be afraid of them. Phenomenal.
Just for clarification, there is no source here, and they're probably just saying this is the best option, so the Vikings may not be looking into this at all. I just thought I'd throw it out there.
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Wadesworld:
Vick and Vikings (and other teams) have been mentioned together a fair amount over the past several months. Think nothing of it. As for the little link, no, not 'really'. A writer in the St. Paul paper simply said Vick and Anderson are the only potential upgrade options besides Favre... nothing about Minnesota's interest in either of them. The article said nothing and was worthless.
You may not be afraid of the Vikings, but as you noted, Favre's performance may indicate that he was afraid of playing in Minnesota... maybe it was our loud, exciting and knowledgable crowd that scared him. Or, perhaps he was intimidated by slim, good looking girls. After all, most females at Lambeau resemble nose tackles. I'm sure Brett has dreamed of playing for us since the mid-90s... this whole scenario is similar to a Make-a-Wish opportunity... medically and mentally ill guy has had a dream for over a decade of being in purple.. now may have an opportunity to help win a Super Bowl and, at a minimum, would win a division championship, since Minnesota is the class of the North by far and yet another division championship is already locked up.
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Q-why is the Vikings field made of synthetic turf?
A-so the cheerleaders won't graze.
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Wadesworld:
Vick and Vikings (and other teams) have been mentioned together a fair amount over the past several months. Think nothing of it. As for the little link, no, not 'really'. A writer in the St. Paul paper simply said Vick and Anderson are the only potential upgrade options besides Favre... nothing about Minnesota's interest in either of them. The article said nothing and was worthless.
You may not be afraid of the Vikings, but as you noted, Favre's performance may indicate that he was afraid of playing in Minnesota... maybe it was our loud, exciting and knowledgable crowd that scared him. Or, perhaps he was intimidated by slim, good looking girls. After all, most females at Lambeau resemble nose tackles. I'm sure Brett has dreamed of playing for us since the mid-90s... this whole scenario is similar to a Make-a-Wish opportunity... medically and mentally ill guy has had a dream for over a decade of being in purple.. now may have an opportunity to help win a Super Bowl and, at a minimum, would win a division championship, since Minnesota is the class of the North by far and yet another division championship is already locked up.
Speaking of mentally ill, I'm not sure I've ever seen someone caught in an alternate reality as much as you, sir.
You realize you likely won't even HAVE a team in Minnesota in about three years.
And as far as a "loud, exciting, knowledgeable fan base"... please. Brett may not be acting like the smartest guy right now, but I think he knows the difference between real noise (Lambeau) and manufactured noise (Metrodome). And knowledgeable? Please explain yourself. I don't even plan on attacking it. I'm really, genuinely curious as to what makes you feel that your fan base is any more knowledgeable than the Packers' fan base, especially given your display in the NFC North thread during most of last football season.
Granted, I don't expect you to respond to this post, just as you didn't to the one earlier in this thread where I called you out AND backed it up with research. Apparently that research thing just isn't your style.
EDIT: Allow me to take my lack of knowledge as a Packer fan a bit further for you, Jay Bee.
Let's dissect this quote for a moment.
Favre's performance may indicate that he was afraid of playing in Minnesota... maybe it was our loud, exciting and knowledgable crowd that scared him.
While it is true that Favre struggled at the Dome early in his career, his last five appearances at the Dome netted a 4-1 record with QB ratings of 105.4, 109.2, 121.6 (Loss), 100.0, and 108.0. Sure is a far cry from the "intimidation" at the hands of your "loud, knowledgeable crowd." (Note: Also recall that one of these games is the infamous Christmas Eve game where Favre single handedly stole the division crown from the Vikings' hands.)
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FavrBr00_games.htm
Now let's discuss this one for a moment:
...now may have an opportunity to help win a Super Bowl and, at a minimum, would win a division championship, since Minnesota is the class of the North by far and yet another division championship is already locked up.
If you are familiar with the concept of pythagorean wins (and, being a member of the Vikings' fan base, I should surely venture a guess that you are) then you would be familiar with the ability of this index to single out important stats from one year (namely 3rd down%, yards per carry, yards per passing attempt, yards per passing attempt allowed, and a handful more) to assemble a prediction that balances out the bounces that go one way or another during the NFL season. The prediction is almost uncanny at determining whether a team will improve on its record or outperformed its expectations in a given season.
http://www.advancednflstats.com/2008/12/2008-luckiest-teams.html
As you can see, Minnesota was the 6th "luckiest" team in the NFL, while the Packers were the 5th unluckiest team in the NFL (and, consequently, became the 4th team since the merger to have a losing record and outscore their opponents).
Granted, the Vikings do have the best player in the division by a decent margin (though Calvin Johnson isn't as far behind as most people think - he's just stuck on an irrelevant team). They will be without half of their defensive line for the first four games. And most important of all, they don't have a quarterback yet. Now, seeing as you're a Vikings fan, and you're unquestionably more knowledgeable than I am, you should know that only two of the last 25 Super Bowl champions have not had an all-pro quarterback, and both those teams had top-5-all-time defenses.
Meanwhile, the Bears seemed to fill that hole (though at a large cost) and the Packers already have that taken care of as well. This is going to be a really interesting division this year, especially given the fact that Detroit, more talented or not, will look different which presents the problem of them stealing a division game or two from the other three teams.
The Packers are two players removed from the team that went to the NFC championship, and added one of the best defensive coordinators in NFL history, one who historically has made his transition to new teams work extremely well (see: Pittsburgh, Jacksonville), but I'm sure you already knew all about that.
I think this is going to be a very, very interesting division this year and I'm excited to have a competitive NFC North for the first time in awhile.
I think it's ignorant for you to proclaim the Vikings as "the class of the division" at this point. But maybe it's not.
After all, I am just an ignorant Packer fan who stands in the shadow of the greatness of the Vikings' fan base...
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Something just dawned on me, and it upsets me, as a Brewers fan, to say it:
Cubs:Cardinals:Brewers::Packers:Bears:Vikings
Follow me?
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Something just dawned on me, and it upsets me, as a Brewers fan, to say it:
Cubs:Cardinals:Brewers::Packers:Bears:Vikings
Follow me?
I absolutely agree. As far as size of the fan base and die hard dedication, there's no way the Brewers are in the same league as the Cubs. Heck, they fill 20-30% of our stadium as it is, and we don't come in droves down to Wrigley. They consider their main rivals the Cards and the Sox, and we salivate at the idea of the Cubs series. The analogy makes total sense, and I'm not happy about it, but as a Brewers fan there's nothing we can do but keep fighting away and winning games until we earn some respect.
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>You realize you likely won't even HAVE a team in Minnesota in about three years.
I've heard this every year for the last 20 years. Let's talk about reality... for example, the Packers 'leaving' Milwaukee.
>... given your display in the NFC North thread during most of last football season.
I didn't join this site until mid-November 2008. You're confused. I think the fact that nearly everyone on the thread believed the Packers or Bears would win the division while I stood by my Vikings irked you. I can understand. I don't like losing. Which is why I am lobbying to have more divisional games each season.
>Granted, I don't expect you to respond to this post, just as you didn't to the one earlier in this thread where I called you out AND backed it up with research. Apparently that research thing just isn't your style.
You called me out and backed it up with research? I missed that post. I do see a post where a young boy posts that he is on summer break.. you took issue with my statement that the Vikings had a sellout streak of well over 100 games... you said nothing that was inconsistent with what I had said, rather you were upset because the sellout may have occurred thanks in part to corporations buying tickets. Downplaying facts and trying to make excuses is not calling someone out.
Alright.. now I see you're editing your post... a bunch of stuff about 'unluckiest ratings'. Geez.. more excuses. Here's the deal in the NFL - win or shuttup. "Oooh, you guys are the champions, but that's cause you're lucky!!!". Pathetic.
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>You realize you likely won't even HAVE a team in Minnesota in about three years.
I've heard this every year for the last 20 years. Let's talk about reality... for example, the Packers 'leaving' Milwaukee.
>... given your display in the NFC North thread during most of last football season.
I didn't join this site until mid-November 2008. You're confused. I think the fact that nearly everyone on the thread believed the Packers or Bears would win the division while I stood by my Vikings irked you. I can understand. I don't like losing. Which is why I am lobbying to have more divisional games each season.
>Granted, I don't expect you to respond to this post, just as you didn't to the one earlier in this thread where I called you out AND backed it up with research. Apparently that research thing just isn't your style.
You called me out and backed it up with research? I missed that post. I do see a post where a young boy posts that he is on summer break.. you took issue with my statement that the Vikings had a sellout streak of well over 100 games... you said nothing that was inconsistent with what I had said, rather you were upset because the sellout may have occurred thanks in part to corporations buying tickets. Downplaying facts and trying to make excuses is not calling someone out.
Alright.. now I see you're editing your post... a bunch of stuff about 'unluckiest ratings'. Geez.. more excuses. Here's the deal in the NFL - win or shuttup. "Oooh, you guys are the champions, but that's cause you're lucky!!!". Pathetic.
Once again, all talk, no substance.
You seem to like it short and sweet. Fine. Win. Or Shut up.
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/76/195798435_f5201c5235.jpg?v=0)
Now we'll see where the excuses come from.
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Something just dawned on me, and it upsets me, as a Brewers fan, to say it:
Cubs:Cardinals:Brewers::Packers:Bears:Vikings
Follow me?
I'm not following. Last time I checked the Cards routinely outdraw the Cubs (in a bigger stadium, but if you're not selling out, which the Cubs only started doing this decade, I don't really see the difference) and obviously highly outperform them on the field. The Cubs probably have a larger fan base than the Cards but please don't begin to compare them to the Packers.
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I'm not following. Last time I checked the Cards routinely outdraw the Cubs (in a bigger stadium, but if you're not selling out, which the Cubs only started doing this decade, I don't really see the difference) and obviously highly outperform them on the field. The Cubs probably have a larger fan base than the Cards but please don't begin to compare them to the Packers.
I would buy the comparison if it were to scale. But I agree with this also, the Cubs don't belong in the same sentence as the Packers when it comes to being a sports franchise unless that sentence is "The Cubs are far inferior to the Packers." ;D
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I'm not following. Last time I checked the Cards routinely outdraw the Cubs (in a bigger stadium, but if you're not selling out, which the Cubs only started doing this decade, I don't really see the difference) and obviously highly outperform them on the field. The Cubs probably have a larger fan base than the Cards but please don't begin to compare them to the Packers.
Fair enough. Allow me to clarify. The analogy applies strictly in terms of rivalries, not in terms of franchise success/prestige/however you want to say it. Historically, the Packers and Bears (like the Cubs and Cards) are rivals, who hate, yet respect each other. Both just plain hate the Vikings (maybe "hate" is too strong a word for the Brewers, I'm not sure).
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Fair enough. Allow me to clarify. The analogy applies strictly in terms of rivalries, not in terms of franchise success/prestige/however you want to say it. Historically, the Packers and Bears (like the Cubs and Cards) are rivals, who hate, yet respect each other. Both just plain hate the Vikings (maybe "hate" is too strong a word for the Brewers, I'm not sure).
In more of a "who do these guys think they are?" sense?
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Not sure I agree with him, but Peter King has the Bears ranked #4...not in the NFC, but in the NFL. He has the Packers above the Vikings too.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/05/10/may11/index.html
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Not sure I agree with him, but Peter King has the Bears ranked #4...not in the NFC, but in the NFL. He has the Packers above the Vikings too.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/05/10/may11/index.html
14. Green Bay
I'm shocked the Packers won only six games last year. It just showed how valuable a piece of their puzzle Cullen Jenkins was. At 6-2 and 305 pounds and with good lateral quickness, he should come back from the torn pectoral that caused him to miss 12 games last year and play very well in the new 3-4. This is a team with far better talent than six wins, and I expect Aaron Rodgers to be better in the fourth quarter this year than last, by the sheer experience factor.
Interesting...
Though I think 4th in the NFL might be a bit high for Chicago, I don't think I'll have any issues with someone predicting them to win the division. They were 9-7 last year and added a much better talent at QB, plus a quality defensive line coach trying to fix their woes on the front four for next year.
Although, I don't even know why we're talking about this.
...Minnesota is the class of the North by far and yet another division championship is already locked up.
It's a moot point. ::)
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=sixnflplayoffteamsthatmi&prov=tsn&type=lgns
#5
5. Minnesota Vikings
Once every few years, the Vikings are the trendy pick to get back to the Super Bowl.
Thirty-three years and counting, they've yet to deliver on the expectations.
This year, many will dub the Vikings as a potential Super Bowl team.
And for good reason. Adrian Peterson is the best running back in the game. The defense remains solid, especially against the run. Defensive end Jared Allen(notes) punctuates a great pass rush.
The biggest question mark—the passing game—could become an exclamation point if Brett Favre(notes) ends up becoming the quarterback.
With or without Favre, there's something about this team that just doesn't click. Plenty of their fans sense it, even if they won't admit it to themselves during the high-hopes phase of the calendar, when everyone is 0-0.
Frankly, it's the coach. And if the Vikings don't make it back to the playoffs in 2009, there will be a new one in Minnesota next year at this time.
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Not sure I agree with him, but Peter King has the Bears ranked #4...not in the NFC, but in the NFL. He has the Packers above the Vikings too.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/05/10/may11/index.html
Peter King is a horrible writer and if I wanted his opinion on where to get a coffee when I'm on the East Coast or the joys of traveling first class then I'll read his columns.
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As much as I love piling on the Vikings, I WILL say that I'm excited to have three competitive teams in the division for the first time in awhile. I don't think we're NFC East quality yet, but with the exception of two two-team races in '03 and '04 that came down to the wire (with the Packers squeaking it out against the Vikes in both cases, if anyone was wondering...) the NFC North has been a yawner for a bit with the Bears running away in '05 and '06, the Packers in '07, and the Vikes in '08. I realize last year's final standings left only a one game gap between the Vikes and the Bears, but it was more a matter of which team wanted to lose less as opposed to two teams making a strong push to the finish.
Divisional battles are going to be even more intense than normal this year, and I expect both the Packers and Bears fan bases to be worked into a frenzy by week 1. It'll be a good year of football.
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From wcco.com - contractual agreement has been reached.
Barring some unforeseen major physical setback, Brett Favre will be at training camp in Mankato when they open up the end of July, a source has told WCCO's Mark Rosen.
That source said that Favre and the Vikings have indeed come to a contractual agreement, with heavy incentives. The Vikings equipment manager has already ordered number 4 purple jerseys with his name on it.
However, on Sunday, Favre's longtime agent, Bus Cooke denied a report that was out there that Favre and the Vikings had come to an agreement.
What isn't known is when this will be officially announced. Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress is in Alaska fishing this week with his good friend, Eagles head coach, Andy Reid.
ProFootballTalk.com speculated the announcement will come Fourth of July weekend, when a lot of media folks are on vacation to minimize the circus atmosphere.
John David Booty is currently wearing number 4, but not for long. Rosen said he believes the Vikings will keep Booty. The logical man to try and move would be Tavaris Jackson with Sage Rosenfels backing Favre up and ready to take over if Favre can't get the job done.
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John David Booty is currently wearing number 4, but not for long. Rosen said he believes the Vikings will keep Booty. The logical man to try and move would be Tavaris Jackson with Sage Rosenfels backing Favre up and ready to take over WHEN Favre can't get the job done.
Fixed.
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The problem is the coaching. They passed the ball too much last year with Jackson at QB. Childress is gonna look like Mike Martz this year with Favre - despite having the best running back in the game.
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Favre just might make Childress look like Eric Mangini, too.
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The problem is the coaching. They passed the ball too much last year with Jackson at QB. Childress is gonna look like Mike Martz this year with Favre - despite having the best running back in the game.
I completely agree with this. Couple it with Favre's obviously declining health and ability, and this is absolutely the best thing they could have done for the Packers and Bears. AP is virtually unstoppable, and now they are gonna let Favre go out there and throw interceptions to try to satisfy some irrational need to stick it to Ted Thompson? Silly.
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The problem is the coaching. They passed the ball too much last year with Jackson at QB. Childress is gonna look like Mike Martz this year with Favre - despite having the best running back in the game.
It's not quite that simple, the Vikes had the 3rd most rushing attempts in the NFL last year (519), only behind Atlanta and the Ravens. And threw it 267 times, which was 23rd in the league. So yeah, they could be running more and passing less, but they are clealry running the ball a ton, and at least with Favre you can keep the linebackers honest, and not throw 7-8 guys in the box.
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With the exception of obvious passing downs when Viking's opponents will go nickel or dime, you'll rarely seen less than 7 in the box.
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At this point, this would be a move by the Vikings in response to the Bears off season moves. I don't think either team is particularly concerned with what the Packers bring to the table this coming season.
And I'm a Bears fan who has NEVER liked the Vikings. I actually like GB, but I'm not as enamored with Rodgers as some seem to be. The Vikings, on the other hand, with a QB that's even servicable (and Favre is still much more than that) have to be considered one of the 2 or 3 favorites in the NFC.
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with a QB that's even servicable (and Favre is still much more than that)
On what do you base that opinion? His arm injury, the end of the season collapse and 22 INT's last year, or the fact that he will be 40 in October?
As I said in the very first post of this thread, this is going to be a negative for the Vikings, not a positive.
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At this point, this would be a move by the Vikings in response to the Bears off season moves. I don't think either team is particularly concerned with what the Packers bring to the table this coming season.
As a Packer fan, I agree with you.
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As a Packer fan, I agree with you.
I'm more concerned with making sure TT gets a good deal in place for Jennings.
Also, you gotta feel for Kampan; he's in a contract year and is being asked to play an entirely different position.
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I'm more concerned with making sure TT gets a good deal in place for Jennings.
Also, you gotta feel for Kampan; he's in a contract year and is being asked to play an entirely different position.
And his high school coach was just murdered this morning.
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Also, you gotta feel for Kampan; he's in a contract year and is being asked to play an entirely different position.
He'll be just fine. When you're good, you're good. He has a large enough body of work leading up to this year that he can easily explain away any struggles with the new scheme. Frankly, if he has a decent year, his value will probably go up because of his ability to make the adjustment.
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He'll be just fine. When you're good, you're good. He has a large enough body of work leading up to this year that he can easily explain away any struggles with the new scheme. Frankly, if he has a decent year, his value will probably go up because of his ability to make the adjustment.
Couldn't you say the same thing for Farve last year?
It was a new system.
The Vikings have a similar west coast system. Should be much more comfortable for him.
Right?
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Couldn't you say the same thing for Farve last year?
It was a new system.
The Vikings have a similar west coast system. Should be much more comfortable for him.
Right?
Is that a serious question? If you asked this question 10 years ago, you might have something, but Aaron Kampman is not 40 years old, he's not injured, and does not have the wear and tear of playing 18 years in the league. The situations are not comparable in any way.
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Is that a serious question? If you asked this question 10 years ago, you might have something, but Aaron Kampman is not 40 years old, he's not injured, and does not have the wear and tear of playing 18 years in the league. The situations are not comparable in any way.
This is a serious question.
The average lifespan of a D lineman in the NFL is not nearly as long as a top QB, so the situations are not as far apart as you think. (still a difference, but not night and day). Kampman is 29. There are VERY few lineman that play past 35... there are a LOT of QB's that play past that age.
You say Aarron Kampan is good, he's good. So, he's got nothing to worry about even if he stumbles in the 3-4. Right?
I am by no means a Favre backer or anything, I'm just saying that it seems way to convenient that you completely doubt his ability to come back and play, but have no doubts that kampman will be successful in the future.
Favre's injury, is certainly a question... but his 22 interceptions could be written off to moving to a new system just like you seem convinced that teams will right off a lack of success for Kampman on being in a new system.
Right?
If Kampman has 3 sacks, can that be written off on the new system?
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First off the question was as to Kampman's next contract. Dude is gonna get another decent contract whether he has a bad year or not (unless he gets hurt of course). That was the point, but yes, when you're good, you're good.
When you're old and injured however, you're not good, you used to be good.
Not sure if you watched Favre at all last year, but he was far better early in the year than he was late in the year (when he was downright terrible). His problems had very little to do with the system, and had everything to do with his age and his injury. He is now a year older and just had to have surgery to address the injury.
If Kampman has 3 sacks, can that be written off on the new system?
Probably (maybe not), and if so he has a track record of success in a 4-3 to fall back on to get another team to sign him. That was what I was saying. You brought up Favre, who struggled because of declining ability as a result of age and injury.
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Probably (maybe not), and if so he has a track record of success in a 4-3 to fall back on to get another team to sign him. That was what I was saying. You brought up Favre, who struggled because of declining ability as a result of age and injury.
Well, there's the rub, I guess.
Some GM's may see a poor year by kampman as a sign that he's getting old, some may see it as a product of the system.
Some GM's don't see Farve's year as a measure of his ability because he was in a new system (and he was hurt), some see it as just a sign he's not that good anymore. Nobody can really say how much the injury really effected him. Brett will say a lot, but that's because he's too prideful to admit his skills may have diminished or he didn't really understand the system.
I hear what you are saying though... I just don't think it's so easy to be confident that Kampman will bounce back no matter what, while Favre has no shot at bouncing back.
Both moved to new systems (Farve has had an injury as well), which inevitably will have some effect on their future in the league.
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Well, there's the rub, I guess.
Some GM's may see a poor year by kampman as a sign that he's getting old, some may see it as a product of the system.
Some GM's don't see Farve's year as a measure of his ability because he was in a new system (and he was hurt), some see it as just a sign he's not that good anymore. Nobody can really say how much the injury really effected him. Brett will say a lot, but that's because he's too prideful to admit his skills may have diminished or he didn't really understand the system.
I hear what you are saying though... I just don't think it's so easy to be confident that Kampman will bounce back no matter what, while Favre has no shot at bouncing back.
Both moved to new systems (Farve has had an injury as well), which inevitably will have some effect on their future in the league.
Favre has been awful the past 4-5 seasons as the seasons wound down. If past history is an indicator of future production then I would put my money on Kampman producing down the stretch more than I would Favre.
As a Packer fan I am torn about how I feel about Favre joining the dreaded Vikings. On the plus side is a strong feeling that Farve will be Farve at the worst possible time for the Vikings and cost them a championship. On the negative side is an equally strong feeling that Farve's antics will cost the Vikings HC his job and they will finally get a qualified HC. That team with a qualified HC and OC would be scary.
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No need to feel torn over Favre.
Simply put, Favre really does not have any strong desire to play other than to jam it up our collective a**. His only motive is revenge, pure and simple. I hope he does play and it costs him his $20 million marketing deal.
As for HOF...he deserves to be in but, he is dead to me, so someone else will have to gush over him. I've had it with his antics.
As for Viking fan, be careful what you wish for. Not bitter, though!
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Simply put, Favre really does not have any strong desire to play other than to jam it up our collective a**. His only motive is revenge, pure and simple.
Don't forget his hillbilly family not yet ready to give up their life of BIRGing and spending his money.
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I like what deepvaccuum said and I'd like to echo his words.
Brett plays great the first 2/3 of the year and then his age and the fatigue that comes along with it starts to kick in and he becomes very erratic. I think he starts to realize that his body just isn't up to the challenge that his mind is and he starts to force things and elevate his game... but realistically he just becomes the young gunslinger that he used to be... throwing STUPID passes and taking games away from his team rather than coming through like he did in his hay day.
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Don't forget his hillbilly family not yet ready to give up their life of BIRGing and spending his money.
Will they be CORFing after this season in MN?
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Favre has been awful the past 4-5 seasons as the seasons wound down. If past history is an indicator of future production then I would put my money on Kampman producing down the stretch more than I would Favre.
As a Packer fan I am torn about how I feel about Favre joining the dreaded Vikings. On the plus side is a strong feeling that Farve will be Farve at the worst possible time for the Vikings and cost them a championship. On the negative side is an equally strong feeling that Farve's antics will cost the Vikings HC his job and they will finally get a qualified HC. That team with a qualified HC and OC would be scary.
I don't know if he's been awful... but certainly he's had some late season issues.
The interesting thing is that when he was a Packer, I rarely heard this type of criticism. Maybe some people were thinking it, but people rarely said it. It was blasphemy to go against st. Brett.
Now that he may become a Viking, the critiques have become rather harsh. The balance is probably in the middle.
He's not as good as all Packer fans thought 4 years ago, and he's not as bad as most fans are saying now.
I don't know the man personally, but I also can't think that he goes to bed at night dreaming about "shoving it up Packers fans *sses."
Let's face it, he just a dude who loves football. In his mind, Ted tried to take that from him. So, he's going to the best team that needs a quarterback to show Ted (and the rest of the league) that he can still play.
If the Vikes were horrible, I bet he'd be headed to Denver or the Ravens etc. etc.
The fact that they play in the same division is just the cherry on top so he can really "show Ted"
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Baloney.
If he wanted to continue playing after last season he could have remained with the Jets. But that wouldn't have allowed him the revenge he sought. So, he chose to retire once again. And then unretire again, so he could play against the Packers twice a year.
This is all pretty transparent. His motivation is revenge against TT and the Packer organization and jamming it up Packer fans *sses is collateral damage which is of no concern to Favre. He cares nothing for Packer fans or his legacy.
His own indecisiveness led to his leaving GB. He could still have been playing there but he just couldn't make up his mind and decided not to unretire when Packer officals gave him the chance. Then, forced to plan to go on without him, the Packers prepared to play with Rodgers.
This is a mess of his own making and now he wants to keep coming back to prove the Packers made a mistake?
Favre, you idiot, it's you who made the mistake and now you continue to compound it. In all likelihood you have lost your $20 million dollar marketing deal, have tarnished your legacy and are about to burn whatever bridges remain to Packer nation. Wise up and show a little class. You made the mistake. Show some class and live with it.
If you have a great season with MN do you think the GB fans you alienated will come running back to you singing your praises and beating their breasts asking for your forgiveness? Or, will they resent you even more for putting their team in a position where they had no choice but to go on without you while you did everything you can to make them pay for YOUR mistake?
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ATWixJr, I agree with most of what you say. However if Favre says** the right things when he comes to Green Bay this year, eventually goes off into retirement, gets elected into the Hall of Fame, and comes back to Lambeau to get his number retired, he'll be treated like a hero.
**"I thought I was ready to retire a Packer, but I wasn't. But these fans and this place will always be special to me."
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Sultan, I hear ya'.
However, if he thought he was ready to retire a Packer but found out he really wanted to continue to play, then, instead of doing everything possible to go to a team in the Packer's own division and sabotage the Packer's chances, he should have stayed with the Jets.
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Baloney.
If he wanted to continue playing after last season he could have remained with the Jets. But that wouldn't have allowed him the revenge he sought. So, he chose to retire once again. And then unretire again, so he could play against the Packers twice a year.
This is all pretty transparent. His motivation is revenge against TT and the Packer organization and jamming it up Packer fans *sses is collateral damage which is of no concern to Favre. He cares nothing for Packer fans or his legacy.
His own indecisiveness led to his leaving GB. He could still have been playing there but he just couldn't make up his mind and decided not to unretire when Packer officals gave him the chance. Then, forced to plan to go on without him, the Packers prepared to play with Rodgers.
This is a mess of his own making and now he wants to keep coming back to prove the Packers made a mistake?
Favre, you idiot, it's you who made the mistake and now you continue to compound it. In all likelihood you have lost your $20 million dollar marketing deal, have tarnished your legacy and are about to burn whatever bridges remain to Packer nation. Wise up and show a little class. You made the mistake. Show some class and live with it.
If you have a great season with MN do you think the GB fans you alienated will come running back to you singing your praises and beating their breasts asking for your forgiveness? Or, will they resent you even more for putting their team in a position where they had no choice but to go on without you while you did everything you can to make them pay for YOUR mistake?
Let me just try to use his Brett's logic though (this is what is going through his mind, not mine)...
#1 He never wanted to go to the Jets, we wanted to be the Packer QB, but Ted told him "no". So Brett wanted to go to the best team that needed a QB... the Vikes. GB wouldn't let that happen.
#2 He wants to go to the Vikes again because they are a GOOD TEAM, unlike the Jets who fired their coach. Also, he knows Darrel B. and the offense, so he feels he has a better chance for success.
#3 Playing the Packers twice is certainly a big bonus... but in case you didn't notice, Brett never tried to go to the Lions, who are in the same division and could have used a QB. Hmmm... I wonder why.... it's because he wants to WIN. MN, more than ANY team in the NFL give him the chance to win.
I don't blame Ted for what he did (team first, I love it), and I'm not a Brett defender (he's been addicted to drugs, cheated on his wife, he doesn't put the team first, etc.).
BUT, I don't like when Packer Backers are so personally offended that Brett would dare want to play football again. HE'S A FOOTBALL PLAYER. LET HIM PLAY FOOTBALL IF HE WANTS.
You are free to root against him. That's sports. It's great.
Just because there are 10,000 Packer rubes with #4 tattoos doesn't mean Brett shouldn't be allowed to play for any team he wants.
Reggie came back. Did that "ruin his legacy"? up in GB... or because he was wearing black and teal, it didn't matter?
This talk about legacy and loyalty are crap. I know we all want to have a man-crush on our favorite players, and we all have a romantic view of our favorite teams... but this is reality.
I know GB fans are tremendously loyal (which is great), but some need to realize that the players and even the team aren't that loyal. Players sign with other teams all of the time, teams cut players every year to save $. It's just business for them. It's transactional, don't pretend it's romance.
The only people that care about Brett's legacy and his marketing contract are Packer fans who were pseudo in love with Brett, and now have to come to gripes with the fact that he's just a super competitive athlete who played in GB... not some divinity sent to save the Packer franchise.
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Just because there are 10,000 Packer rubes with #4 tattoos doesn't mean Brett shouldn't be allowed to play for any team he wants.
Except for those pesky little things in the NFL called contracts, but you summed up Favre's position very nicely. He feels (felt last season) he should be entitled to play wherever he wants, even though he was the one who retired, only to attempt to come back after the Packers had already moved on with other plans. Of course the Packers then gave him that chance, only to have him stay retired, then unretire again.
That's why he's pissed off. In his world he thought the Packers should just release him to go play for a division rival because he wanted to (and he thought his ploy would accomplish that). Doesn't work that way, and his frustration and anger with the Packers is completely misguided.
Let's say Adrian Petersen decided he wanted to play for the Packers. Should the Vikings just release him and allow him to go sign with Green Bay? Because that is exactly what you are suggesting should have happened with Favre with the comments above. He wanted to play for the Vikings and to suggest otherwise is silly. The Packers didn't allow it, and for him to be upset about that is ridiculous. Just another card carrying member of the rules don't apply to me club.
Like you, I give a rip about loyalty and all that nonsense. Its business, but it cannot be business when it works to your advantage and something else when it doesn't, as Favre seemed to want last year at this time.
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Let me just try to use his Brett's logic though (this is what is going through his mind, not mine)...
#1 He never wanted to go to the Jets, we wanted to be the Packer QB, but Ted told him "no". So Brett wanted to go to the best team that needed a QB... the Vikes. GB wouldn't let that happen.
#2 He wants to go to the Vikes again because they are a GOOD TEAM, unlike the Jets who fired their coach. Also, he knows Darrel B. and the offense, so he feels he has a better chance for success.
#3 Playing the Packers twice is certainly a big bonus... but in case you didn't notice, Brett never tried to go to the Lions, who are in the same division and could have used a QB. Hmmm... I wonder why.... it's because he wants to WIN. MN, more than ANY team in the NFL give him the chance to win.
I don't blame Ted for what he did (team first, I love it), and I'm not a Brett defender (he's been addicted to drugs, cheated on his wife, he doesn't put the team first, etc.).
BUT, I don't like when Packer Backers are so personally offended that Brett would dare want to play football again. HE'S A FOOTBALL PLAYER. LET HIM PLAY FOOTBALL IF HE WANTS.
You are free to root against him. That's sports. It's great.
Just because there are 10,000 Packer rubes with #4 tattoos doesn't mean Brett shouldn't be allowed to play for any team he wants.
Reggie came back. Did that "ruin his legacy"? up in GB... or because he was wearing black and teal, it didn't matter?
This talk about legacy and loyalty are crap. I know we all want to have a man-crush on our favorite players, and we all have a romantic view of our favorite teams... but this is reality.
I know GB fans are tremendously loyal (which is great), but some need to realize that the players and even the team aren't that loyal. Players sign with other teams all of the time, teams cut players every year to save $. It's just business for them. It's transactional, don't pretend it's romance.
The only people that care about Brett's legacy and his marketing contract are Packer fans who were pseudo in love with Brett, and now have to come to gripes with the fact that he's just a super competitive athlete who played in GB... not some divinity sent to save the Packer franchise.
Lots of good points here.
However, your basic premise is based on a fallacy. Ted only told him "no" after Favre insisted that he was retiring. When the Packers gave him a chance to unretire and return to the team, he turned them down because he said he really wanted to retire (this time.)
No one is stopping him from playing football. Do you think it is flattering to Favre that his annual "am i retiring or not dance" has become a national joke? This is what I mean by tarnishing his legacy. Favre-a palooza I believe one of his future teammates put it.
For all the best reasons, the Packers franchise has a relationahip with its' fans that transcends mere business. Not that business is not involved.
And, yes, I am free to root against him, and I will.
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BTW, that Lion's argument is among the most ridiculous things posted here.
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BTW, that Lion's argument is among the most ridiculous things posted here.
Seriously?
Why?
If the Lions were good, and the Vikes sucked, do you think he'd go to the Vikes? Why?
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No need to feel torn over Favre.
Simply put, Favre really does not have any strong desire to play other than to jam it up our collective a**. His only motive is revenge, pure and simple. I hope he does play and it costs him his $20 million marketing deal.
As for HOF...he deserves to be in but, he is dead to me, so someone else will have to gush over him. I've had it with his antics.
As for Viking fan, be careful what you wish for. Not bitter, though!
Not that I want to be in attack mode, but you have to realize you are in the vast minority of Packer fans that feel this way. And this sliver of fans really grinds my gears if you will. I'm curious if you lived through the 70's, 80's and early 90's as a Packer fan. The Pack were Clippers-esque (Thanks Bill Simmons).
You really think a professional, a man that his played every single football game since 1993, will grind out another season to stick it to Ted Thompson? Dragging his own name and his family and his legacy for that? Dude wants to play, and Minnie is the only team that has a slate of 3 inept QB's.
And you keep bringing up this $20 million endoresement deal...Favre could care less, dude stars in Wrangler commericals. You think he is intersted in signing 1000s of footballs every year and going to card shows, and having commerative dinner plates with his face on it? After he finally calls it quits, he will be gone. No coaching, no announcing, no autograph shows. You would be lucky to see him show up for the HOF ceremony.
So you and your Favre-hating friends can continue to stew about #4. Since he is dead to you, have you completly deleted the SB Win from your memory? Take a moment to think how much fun it was watching the Pack from 94-2007. Those memories, both good and bad helped shape my fandom for this team. And BTW, it's not like he banged your wife or anything (well, he may have...knowing Brett's fondess for the ladies :) ) so ease off on the hate.
Go Pack!
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Well for starters the Lions would have absolutely no use for a 39 year old QB they are going to have for 1 year, and command a lot of money, so going there was never going to be an option. Beyond that though, as you state, he wanted to go to a good team. This nonsense that he just loves football and just wants to play is stupid. He wants to play so long as its on his terms. I have no issue with him thinking that way, but the Packers were under no obligation to play along, and because of that he has a hard on for Ted Thompson.
Going to the Lions would give him the chance to play the Packers twice. That's true, but it would also mean getting his brains beat in by the Packers twice. Not really the kind of message he would like to send to Ted Thompson.
I have no problem with what he's doing this year. I wish he and the Vikings luck. As i said, i welcome it as a Packer fan (bear fans should too), because this is going to hurt them, not help them.
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You really think a professional, a man that his played every single football game since 1993, will grind out another season to stick it to Ted Thompson? Dragging his own name and his family and his legacy for that? Dude wants to play, and Minnie is the only team that has a slate of 3 inept QB's.
First off, he had a job with the Jets. He quit that one, so there goes that argument. Second, safe to assume there are several million reasons he will be playing another season.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that spite is his sole motivation, but you'd have to be blind to not see that it is a significant one. If he just wants to play, why leave the Jets? If he just wants to play, why not come back to GB when he had the chance last year?
As far as Favre being a professional, can anyone say with a straight face that his behavior the past couple years has been professional? His teammates of the past couple years certainly don't think so.
I don't much care what he does, he'll always be my guy and nobody was defending him more in his first couple years when the cries for Mark Brunnel were loud because I could see how good he was, but when he is a Viking, he's an enemy. How anyone can say all he wants to do is play football is beyond me. This is about his bruised ego, his family putting pressure on him, and an inability to look in the mirror.
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Reinko, I was a Packer fan before you were born, probably. Was a season ticket holder in Milwaukee. Have seen plenty of games at the old Milwaukee County Stadium including the playoff win against the Rams. Not sure of the year but would have to guess around 1967. So, yes, I've lived through all the decades you mention as a Packer fan.
I doubt that I'm in the minority from the feedback I get.
Favre is nothing if not selfish and he would do almost anything to satisfy his ego driven need to stick it to Thompson. You think he will be gone? He will not be able to stand being irrelevant, which is what this is really all about.
Minnie is the only team with 3 inept QB's? Please.
We'll see how much the $20 million marketing deal means to him when he bombs with the Vikes and finally does realize he should retire and then wants in again with GB.
Living in NE and having a house full of NE fans here for the SB I will never forget the victory. Thank God for Desmond Howard, the MVP.
BTW, bringing my wife into it is over the line but just about what I would expect from a kneepad wearing Favre apologist. Put that in your gears.
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Well for starters the Lions would have absolutely no use for a 39 year old QB they are going to have for 1 year, and command a lot of money, so going there was never going to be an option. Beyond that though, as you state, he wanted to go to a good team. This nonsense that he just loves football and just wants to play is stupid. He wants to play so long as its on his terms. I have no issue with him thinking that way, but the Packers were under no obligation to play along, and because of that he has a hard on for Ted Thompson.
Going to the Lions would give him the chance to play the Packers twice. That's true, but it would also mean getting his brains beat in by the Packers twice. Not really the kind of message he would like to send to Ted Thompson.
I have no problem with what he's doing this year. I wish he and the Vikings luck. As i said, i welcome it as a Packer fan (bear fans should too), because this is going to hurt them, not help them.
I think we actually agree for the most part, but something is getting lost here.
No, Brett doesn't want to go to a crappy team.
That's EXACTLY the point.
People in WI seem to take it personally that he's going to the "dreaded Vikings" so he can screw all of the Packer fans.
He's going to the Vikings BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD, not just to "screw ted".
If the Vikings were bad, he'd want no part of them. Nothing to gain getting his head beat in every week.
But, since they are pretty good, he knows the system, he knows the coaches there is a real opportunity for him to play and win.
I only bring up the Lions to illustrate that it's not just about "screwing ted", because if it was, he would have begged to play for ANYBODY in the division just to get a shot a the Pack.
It's not just about revenge. It's about competing and winning. The guy is addicted to winning, and he will do anything he can do to get on another winning team. The Vikings are his best option right now.
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When you're original team offered you the chance to come back and you don't, it speaks volumes when you come out of your second retirement to go to a divisional rival.
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When you're original team offered you the chance to come back and you don't, it speaks volumes when you come out of your second retirement to go to a divisional rival.
So, it's ok if he plays... he just can't play for a team that could hurt the Pack?
What if he stayed with the Jets this season and beat the Pack in the superbowl?
Is that ok, or would he be a jerk then too?
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So, it's ok if he plays... he just can't play for a team that could hurt the Pack?
What if he stayed with the Jets this season and beat the Pack in the superbowl?
Is that ok, or would he be a jerk then too?
Since he would not be going out of his way to hurt the Packers, for me, that would be fine. The fact that in all sports, trades rarely occur between teams in the same division should tell you something.
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PS last year as a Jet, I was rooting for him. The better they did the higher the draft pick the Packers would get as compensation.
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So, it's ok if he plays... he just can't play for a team that could hurt the Pack?
What if he stayed with the Jets this season and beat the Pack in the superbowl?
Is that ok, or would he be a jerk then too?
Dude, are you Peter King? I mean, no one fellates Favre with his words more than PK.
EDIT: If you can't see that the main reason for him donning the purple is purely financial and revenge-driven then I guess you never will.
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Favre pretty much put the nail in the coffin when he compared himself to Lombardi when he went to coach the Redskins.
He can't really think that it is a comparable situation, can he?
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Dude, are you Peter King? I mean, no one fellates Favre with his words more than PK.
EDIT: If you can't see that the main reason for him donning the purple is purely financial and revenge-driven then I guess you never will.
Nope, not Peter King.
I'm also not a Packer fan, so I don't have the emotional tie to the guy or the franchise, so I'm coming at it from a different perspective.
I won't tell you guys how to feel.
For those that consider him a traitor... have it it.
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Nope, not Peter King.
I'm also not a Packer fan, so I don't have the emotional tie to the guy or the franchise, so I'm coming at it from a different perspective.
I won't tell you guys how to feel.
For those that consider him a traitor... have it it.
My rib probably shouldn't have gone directly at you but I also just wanted to get a shot at PK, and besides, who doesn't like a good fellatio joke every once in a while.
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202mualum: You're trying to be logical with Packers fans. Good luck.
Favre is a competitor with a huge ego. He sees a great opportunity in Minnesota and has an interest in pursuing it.
I do like loyalty. I like the idea of a guy's career ending where it 'started'. But, I can also understand why someone wouldn't give a rip about 'retiring a Packer' when there's potential to play in purple.
The thought that Farve wants to come to Minnesota primarily to rub-it-in-the-face of the Packers is a clinically retarded one.
The Vikings can be a force in the NFL this year with or without Favre. Sure, whether its Brett, Sage, Tarvaris or JDB, we won't have a 'stud' like Erin Rodgers who is absolutely the best QB ever, but beneath the surface I know every Packers fan is afraid of us.
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He's going to the Vikings BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD, not just to "screw ted".
The Vikings were not good.....they were mediocre.....they just happened to be the best team in a terrible division.
They were 10-6 last year. They beat the Lions twice by a total of 6 points. They beat the Giants the last game of the year when the Giants had nothing to play for.
Then they scored a total of 14 points in a home playoff loss that they couldn't even sell out.
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I like it when Jay Bee comments. Those are always good for a laugh.
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The Vikings were not good.....they were mediocre.....they just happened to be the best team in a terrible division.
They were 10-6 last year. They beat the Lions twice by a total of 6 points. They beat the Giants the last game of the year when the Giants had nothing to play for.
Then they scored a total of 14 points in a home playoff loss that they couldn't even sell out.
The part in RED has nothing to do with the performance on the field, or how good the team actually is.
People don't go to the dome because they are douches... or whatever the reason. I dunno. But, that doesn't necessarily mean the team is bad.
They are not world beaters, but they won 10 games using a strong defense and a great running game. Are they going to the superbowl? Probably not. The defense might be 1 year past it's prime, and the QB play (even with Favre) is suspect.
But, in the modern day NFL, 10-6 (regardless of division) has to be considered a "good team". Are the Packers and Bears close? Yep. I'd say all 3 are probably even.
EXAMPLE OF A "GOOD TEAM":
Look at the run AZ got on this year. Nobody thought they were good all year... until they got in the playoffs.
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But, that doesn't necessarily mean the team is bad.
I said they were mediocre. Do you always change what people say to suit your argument?
Are you talking about that strong defense that let up 48 points to the inept Kyle Orton offense?
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I said they were mediocre. Do you always change what people say to suit your argument?
No, you're right.
mediocre.
I stand corrected.
I'll still hold to the fact that 10-6 is a good team in the modern NFL, regardless of division.
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I'll still hold to the fact that 10-6 is a good team in the modern NFL, regardless of division.
They beat 4 teams with winning records. The win against the Giants does not count since the Giants did not show up to play the second half. They also only beat the Giants by 1 point. That leaves 3 victories against winning teams.
Carolina 12-4 Good Win
Bears 9-7 Mediocre team
Arizona 9-7 at the time a mediocre win
Not very impressive. I know a team has no control of their schedule, but their mediocrity shined in the playoffs at home.
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I like it when Jay Bee comments. Those are always good for a laugh.
Yep. Mr. Strawman always bring a little something to the party...very little.
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They beat 4 teams with winning records. The win against the Giants does not count since the Giants did not show up to play the second half. They also only beat the Giants by 1 point. That leaves 3 victories against winning teams.
Carolina 12-4 Good Win
Bears 9-7 Mediocre team
Arizona 9-7 at the time a mediocre win
Not very impressive. I know a team has no control of their schedule, but their mediocrity shined in the playoffs at home.
Fair enough.
We can just agree to disagree.
I know not all 10-6 teams are equal, but I would say that they are all good teams because in the modern NFL, the line between winning and losing is so thin.
Was there an 8-8 team out there just as good as the Vikes? Maybe. But, if that team was so good, they would have found a way to go 10-6 ;)
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Fair enough.
We can just agree to disagree.
I know not all 10-6 teams are equal, but I would say that they are all good teams because in the modern NFL, the line between winning and losing is so thin.
Was there an 8-8 team out there just as good as the Vikes? Maybe. But, if that team was so good, they would have found a way to go 10-6 ;)
I agree. The Bears were arguably 5-10 plays away from being 12-4 instead of 9-7. Those games being Atlanta, Carolina and Tampa Bay.
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So, it's ok if he plays... he just can't play for a team that could hurt the Pack?
What if he stayed with the Jets this season and beat the Pack in the Superbowl?
Is that ok, or would he be a jerk then too?
If the Jets had beaten the Packers in a mythical Super bowl it means they had the better team and deserved to win. There are several ex-Packers that have gone on to play for the Vikings. While I have a hard time rooting for anyone that goes to play for a heated division rival, I don't wish them ill will at all.
They of coarse were never considered the face of the Packers franchise nor were they under contract to the Packers. They also did not go out of their way to manipulate what team that they wanted to play for while they were still under contract.
It is my understanding that Jets management wanted Farve back for the second and final year of Farve's 2 year contract. If Farve is really only a highly competitive guy who wants a chance at a second ring then the Jets provided that opportunity last year and would again provide an opportunity this year since they should still be considered a playoff type team for this upcoming season had Farve returned.
As I said before my greatest fear is that the Vikings HC will get fired because of Farve and then a qualified HC then takes over a VERY good team. Farve becoming the Vikings QB will only speed up the process before someone competent is hired. Hopefully the Vikings window of opportunity will be closed by the time that Viking management understands what has happened. If Holmgren, Cower or Dungy were to become the Viking HC the division would be theirs for the taking with the talent on that team because they are all strong, competent HC’s that command respect and could control Farve’s play.
Yes I will miss seeing the joy that shows up on Farve’s face as he plays the game. The enthusiasm he displayed as he laid into a lead block for one of his rb’s. I will miss seeing the excitement that he generated among the fans of all teams. I will not however miss watching him make any more boneheaded decisions that will hurt my team. That bad feeling will now belong to Vikings fans.
This whole ongoing, messy Farve situation makes me feel like a cat that is having trouble throwing up a bad hairball.
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I can understand the passion and frustration with the guy. He's certainly an enigma.
I'm just trying to get my head around why/how so many people rationalized that it was ok for him to play for the Jets, or ok for Reggie to play for the Panthers... but it's definitely NOT ok to play for the Vikings.
Do people really hate the Vikings that much?
Maybe this isn't as much about Brett, but about who he is actually trying to play for. Seems to be a lot of hatred for players that wear purple.
I think Brett's trying to go there because he thinks he can win... but I know a lot of Packer fans think he's going there to screw the Packers and their fans.
It's going to make it interesting...that's for sure.
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I can understand the passion and frustration with the guy. He's certainly an enigma.
I'm just trying to get my head around why/how so many people rationalized that it was ok for him to play for the Jets, or ok for Reggie to play for the Panthers... but it's definitely NOT ok to play for the Vikings. No. He can play for the Vikings. It's how he has gone about his business that leaves a distaste in my mouth.
Do people really hate the Vikings that much? The Vikings are all talk and no rewards. If the Vikings talked and played like the Twins do, maybe there would be a NFL championship banner in Minnesota by now.
Maybe this isn't as much about Brett, but about who he is actually trying to play for. Seems to be a lot of hatred for players that wear purple. Packer fans generally don't hate the Bears because they have produced an NFL championship. There is great banter between both groups of fans. Unlike Vikings who's fans seems to always insist that a championship is a forgone conclusion.
I think Brett's trying to go there because he thinks he can win... but I know a lot of Packer fans think he's going there to screw the Packers and their fans. He is there for both reasons.
It's going to make it interesting...that's for sure. Yes it will.
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Surprise! Favre's is now feeling conflicted about joining the Vikings.
He's the only guy who needs a shrink for a position coach.
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Can't the guy just go away. It had been a nice couple days not seeing a Favre story on sportscenter. I am so sick of hearing about the will he or won't he. I can't imagine how bad this is going to be if he returns. The week leading up the first Vikes - Pack game will be a circus.
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I saw a few guys at Miller Park already wearing the Favre Vikings jersey. I couldn't believe it!
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I say bring it on Brent.
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I say bring it on Brent.
BRENT! HAHAHA! YOU'RE HILARIOUS!
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He's feeling 'conflicted' so that when he comes back and bombs out, he has cover to say something along the lines of, "Looking back, I guess my heart wasn't really in it, I had doubts about my ability to play 16 games and make all the throws, but the coaching staff and players were pushing me and encouraging me so much, I guess I talked myself into it..."
Translation: Don't be mad at me, I didn't want to come back, but they talked me into it. Blame Childress, Bevel, Petersen, etc.
As I said in the very post in this thread. I welcome him back. It increases, not decreases the Packers chances of winning the division (same for the bears).
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As I said in the very post in this thread. I welcome him back. It increases, not decreases the Packers chances of winning the division (same for the bears).
That is utterly ridiculous. Either you're having a love affair with Sage Rosenfels or are just upset with this old Favre guy. The defending division champion-Vikings are the class of the NFC North with or without Favre, but having him on our squad this season would be better than not and 95% of the world would agree with me on that.
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That is utterly ridiculous. Either you're having a love affair with Sage Rosenfels or are just upset with this old Favre guy. The defending division champion-Vikings are the class of the NFC North with or without Favre, but having him on our squad this season would be better than not and 95% of the world would agree with me on that.
Except for that fact that he's hurt, a year older, and can't play anymore. Throw in his now well documented ability to poison a locker room, and a pathetic excuse for a coach, and you have a sure fire recipe to blow that team up.
I don't care what he does anymore. He has reached the point of irrelevance to me, but as a Packer fan, I will be glad to hear him announce his decision to play for the Vikings.
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Ultimate drama queen.
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Favre is a great quartback. But if he signs with the Vikings I just hope the packers would blitz the crap out of him and knock him on his ass!!!! I’m a big Favre fan but every year it’s the same crap. Just stay retried and enjoy it!!!
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Per ESPN news text...
Favre informs Childress he plans to stay retired.
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Stays retired because he doesnt think he can deal with the grind again
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Oh no... now our hopes of winning the Super Bowl here in Minnesota are over.
Somehow I don't trust that it's a done deal quite yet. Ahhwell, either way, we're in a crap division and will win it once again.
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care to put a wager on that?
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care to put a wager on that?
On the Vikings winning the NFC North this season? Absolutely. [although I will admit I lost my only muscoop.com bet, to reinko - Vikes vs. Eagles in the playoffs... but this one I am SURE of].
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Oh no... now our hopes of winning the Super Bowl here in Minnesota are over.
Hopes of vikings winning the Super Bowl ended in 1960.
Check out the 3 easiest schedules in the NFL next year. Thanks Detroit.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4027503
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Per ESPN news text...
Favre informs Childress he plans to stay retired.
As a Packer fan all I can say is this is terrible news. The Vikings are a better team without him.
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Jay Bee is a man of his word, and I would like to personally thank him for getting me ripped drunk with the 30 rack of Miller Lite that the bet bought me.
Thanks Jay Bee.
Skol Miller Lite!
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As a Packer fan all I can say is this is terrible news. The Vikings are a better team without him.
Agreed. This will be presented as good news for Packer and Bear fans, when it is absolutely the opposite.
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If this doesn't prove that TT and the Packers management weren't right nothing does.
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Favre flying to Saint Paul this morning. On Wilf's private plane.
EDIT...WCCO-TV is reporting that he will sign today.
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Word... way to go Brent, you effin nutcase.
i'm buying season tickets right now!
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He's feeling 'conflicted' so that when he comes back and bombs out, he has cover to say something along the lines of, "Looking back, I guess my heart wasn't really in it, I had doubts about my ability to play 16 games and make all the throws, but the coaching staff and players were pushing me and encouraging me so much, I guess I talked myself into it..."
Translation: Don't be mad at me, I didn't want to come back, but they talked me into it. Blame Childress, Bevel, Petersen, etc.
As I said in the very post in this thread. I welcome him back. It increases, not decreases the Packers chances of winning the division (same for the bears).
No need to re-write all of that, as it is obviously what was going on all along. The entire story has really gotten sad. I almost feel bad for the guy, as he clearly has no idea what to do with himself once the spot light is turned off, and he has to receed into his BIRGing, hillbilly family that has been treating him as a money machine for years.
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The key to getting the deal done....
Pitino will be paying 1/2 of his salary.
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The key to getting the deal done....
Pitino will be paying 1/2 of his salary.
That's so true.
This will bury the Rick story and he'll probably get to keep his job after a public apology.
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No need to re-write all of that, as it is obviously what was going on all along. The entire story has really gotten sad. I almost feel bad for the guy, as he clearly has no idea what to do with himself once the spot light is turned off, and he has to receed into his BIRGing, hillbilly family that has been treating him as a money machine for years.
I think that the guy is clearly lost without the praise of the football field and football is all he really knows how to do. Pretty sad.
By the end of the year, he very well could be considered the worst quarterback in the division.
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Worst QB in the division will be getting 12 million for one year, if he passes physical. That is insane.
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By the end of the year, he very well could be considered the worst quarterback in the division.
Guess I hadn't thought of that, but you may be right. Seems as though Culpepper/Stafford would be the only thing standing in the way of that title (barring injury to ARod or Cutler of course).
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I wouldn't put it past Favre to have delayed his final decision until he missed as much training camp time as possible.
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I wouldn't put it past Favre to have delayed his final decision until he missed as much training camp time as possible.
Oh of course...and to maximize the $$$.
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I wouldn't put it past Favre to have delayed his final decision until he missed as much training camp time as possible.
Exactly right....they just broke training camp in Mankato and are now back in Eden Prairie/Minneapolis now. No staying in dorms at a small college.
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Beyond weird but I'm enjoying the drama. Get out the popcorn
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Favre is so incredibly selfish it's hard to stomach. This gives credence to all the Jets players who said Favre distanced himself from the team last year. This year he's distanced himself from the Vikings under the false pretense that he was "retired". I used to like this guy, now I can't stand to see him.
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I'm sure Brett will be close personal friends with Jackson and Rosenfels as well.
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He told the vikings that he has a small rotator cuff tear in his passing shoulder....vikings knew about it and are still going to pay him 12mill this year while at the same time lying to the three QB's they have now.
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Bears and Packers fans don't often agree, but this will turn out to be a good day for both teams. I'll enjoy seeing the "Brett Favre Is Freezing Cold, I Don't Want To Be Here" face in late December at Soldier Field.
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I am sure this has been asked before in this thread, but I am to tired to find it!
Does favre get booed when he comes back to green bay? He is a historical figure in the Green Bay Franchise!
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I am sure this has been asked before in this thread, but I am to tired to find it!
Does favre get booed when he comes back to green bay? He is a historical figure in the Green Bay Franchise!
I'll be there and yes, I will be booing.
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You may dislike the way he handles his career decisions over the last few years, but I don't see why that's reason to boo the man.
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I'll be there and yes, I will be booing.
Because of Favre or because the Packers will be losing big time? I wonder if anyone would give us a 7th-rounder for Tarvaris...
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I'll be there and yes, I will be booing.
So you are going to boo the man that made your team a force in the 1990's?
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The guy is a complete media whore and he deserves to be booed. I'll just do it for all those fans (of other teams) that won't be able to do it in person.
How does a worn down 39 year old think he can step in during the middle of preseason and be effective? He says things like his body is worn down and what not, cries to Peter King daily, and then thinks he'll come right in and just "get it."
Actually, now that I think about it, I think Bears and Packers fans agree that this is the best free agent signing for them.
/was at Favre's first game and I'll boo if I want to, besides, I still get to cheer when he's throwing to GB players twice a year...
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I do find it hilarious how five years ago Vikings fans were proclaiming he was done and needed to hang it up, and now they are storming Winter Park to get a glimpse of the Land Baron.
Real.Comfortable.Picks.
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So you are going to boo the man that made your team a force in the 1990's?
I love the franchise more than one player.
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Because of Favre or because the Packers will be losing big time? I wonder if anyone would give us a 7th-rounder for Tarvaris...
Chicago, along with Baseanz (sp).
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How does a worn down 39 year old think he can step in during the middle of preseason and be effective? He says things like his body is worn down and what not, cries to Peter King daily, and then thinks he'll come right in and just "get it."
Did you watch the first half of last season? Favre was dominant until a biceps injury and cold weather got in his way. 8 Home games in the metrodome + months of recovery on the arm including surgery, and lets not forget he will now be behind one of the best offensive lines in the league with arguably the best RB in the game to hand off to... Yeah, that should be enough for a different story this year.
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I absolutely love the lengths Packers fans are going to to convince themselves Favre is done. It's comical, and part of the reason I've grown to dislike Packers fans.
This is a perfect situation for Favre. He knows the system. He's got the best RB in the league. A great defense. And look at the schedule- Only 2 of the last 10 games could be considered "cold weather" games. It sets up perfectly.
He doesn't have to be the guy in Minnesota. And that is huge. All he has to do is not screw it up. And judging by last year, when healthy, he's still got it.
Now whether he can stay healthy is a valid concern. But the Vikings just became a contender in the NFC.
*DISCLAIMER- Written by a Packers fan*
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I absolutely love the lengths Packers fans are going to to convince themselves Favre is done. It's comical, and part of the reason I've grown to dislike Packers fans.
This is a perfect situation for Favre. He knows the system. He's got the best RB in the league. A great defense. And look at the schedule- Only 2 of the last 10 games could be considered "cold weather" games. It sets up perfectly.
He doesn't have to be the guy in Minnesota. And that is huge. All he has to do is not screw it up. And judging by last year, when healthy, he's still got it.
Now whether he can stay healthy is a valid concern. But the Vikings just became a contender in the NFC.
*DISCLAIMER- Written by a Packers fan*
You are starting to dislike your own kind?
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All he has to do is not screw it up.
See: NFL Career Interceptions List, line item 1
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Did you watch the first half of last season? Favre was dominant until a biceps injury and cold weather got in his way. 8 Home games in the metrodome + months of recovery on the arm including surgery, and lets not forget he will now be behind one of the best offensive lines in the league with arguably the best RB in the game to hand off to... Yeah, that should be enough for a different story this year.
Tossing the ball around to a JV squad doesn't get you ready for an NFL season...
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Did you watch the first half of last season? Favre was dominant until a biceps injury and cold weather got in his way. 8 Home games in the metrodome + months of recovery on the arm including surgery, and lets not forget he will now be behind one of the best offensive lines in the league with arguably the best RB in the game to hand off to... Yeah, that should be enough for a different story this year.
He was not "dominant" even early in the year. He had a couple big games early and two huge games back to back against the Patriots and the Titans mid-year. Before that he was good...but not great. After that he was horrid.
Aaron Rodgers had a better statistical year than Favre did last year. He was actually better pre-injury than Favre. And that isn't just subjective judgement...that is objectively the case if you look at the statistics. I honestly think that Rodgers is a better quarterback.
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I think we should take a quick break to think about how much brett farve loves the game. I mean seriously the man is insane with love for the sport of foot ball. He has the joy of a child on his face after every play and a 2nd to none attitude. The only reason he keeps going out there because he loves the game, even though he plays for another team you have to admire how much he loves this game.
They just said that he will be starting on friday. 2 days to practice.
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I think we should take a quick break to think about how much brett farve loves the game. I mean seriously the man is insane with love for the sport of foot ball. He has the joy of a child on his face after every play and a 2nd to none attitude. The only reason he keeps going out there because he loves the game, even though he plays for another team you have to admire how much he loves this game.
They just said that he will be starting on friday. 2 days to practice.
I find it hilarious how dumb Favre makes ESPN look every year...
Can't wait until he signs with the 49ers next year.
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Tossing the ball around to a JV squad doesn't get you ready for an NFL season...
Again, he did the same thing last year and would have been fine had he not injured his Biceps and had to play in cold weather a lot in the end of the season.
He was not "dominant" even early in the year. He had a couple big games early and two huge games back to back against the Patriots and the Titans mid-year. Before that he was good...but not great. After that he was horrid.
Aaron Rodgers had a better statistical year than Favre did last year. He was actually better pre-injury than Favre. And that isn't just subjective judgement...that is objectively the case if you look at the statistics. I honestly think that Rodgers is a better quarterback.
Ok, maybe not dominant but still good, good enough for the Vikings to think Tavaris and Sage are not performing as well as or better than Favre did last year. And I was not contesting who is the better quarterback now, I was not trying to say that the Packers made a bad move last year what so ever. I WAS saying that I don't see any reason why he won't be successful as a Viking. I don't see what Rodgers has to do with this, were the Vikings supposed to try to trade for him instead?
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See: NFL Career Interceptions List, line item 1
Bingo. He's never valued the ball and that's always been my issue with him. Turnovers are a killer in the NFL.
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Bingo. He's never valued the ball and that's always been my issue with him. Turnovers are a killer in the NFL.
At least they won't have to worry about local blackouts anymore...
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Ok, maybe not dominant but still good, good enough for the Vikings to think Tavaris and Sage are not performing as well as or better than Favre did last year.
I am listening to Boers & Bernstein right now, and they are interviewing a guy from the Star-Tribune who is implying that this move is going to backfire on them because this is the owner overriding his football people. Childress said that he had to be there for the entire camp and that they weren't going to pay a lot of money...and he caved on both counts.
Who knows? I just don't think he's the type to fall into a "game management" type of role and soon will be whipping the ball all over the place.
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Bingo. He's never valued the ball and that's always been my issue with him. Turnovers are a killer in the NFL.
Who knows? I just don't think he's the type to fall into a "game management" type of role and soon will be whipping the ball all over the place.
Hopefully he sees that he is not the center of attention on this offense and acts accordingly. I do have my doubts about this though, as the Jets has a very good run game and he still managed to try to gun sling a lot.
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Hopefully he sees that he is not the center of attention on this offense and acts accordingly. I do have my doubts about this though, as the Jets has a very good run game and he still managed to try to gun sling a lot.
That's the thing. If he realizes he's not the centerpiece of the offense then yes he will greatly help the Vikings. But what is there to show that he realizes this? He's the most self-centered player in the NFL. He's retired twice in the last 11 months. He's said he's done for good a number of times, and yet here he is. BUT he is only here AFTER training camp is done and today is the last day of 2-a-days for the Vikings. Ironic? I don't think so. Pretty convenient. He'll be a hit for a couple weeks, and then he'll start throwing the most ridiculous passes that even in his prime still would have been interceptions, and Sage will end up looking like the better option, because he actually realizes that his job is to grab the snap and get it to Adrian Peterson as quickly as he can. I don't think Brett will ever realize that.
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I love the franchise more than one player.
So love what he did for the franchise, not afterwards!
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So love what he did for the franchise, not afterwards!
let's see, he strings the packers along only to waffle and then wants to play at the last minute, then he demands a trade to division rival, then all the nonsense with the jets and then he basically forces the jets to release him to string mn along until after training camp...
Sounds like a guy who deserves my respect and admiration
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let's see, he strings the packers along only to waffle and then wants to play at the last minute, then he demands a trade to division rival, then all the nonsense with the jets and then he basically forces the jets to release him to string mn along until after training camp...
Sounds like a guy who deserves my respect and admiration
So when Favre goes to the HOF, you hope he doesn't enter in as a packer? Cause it sounds like you hope he has nothing to do with the franchise
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Anyone know where I can get a #4 Favre Vikings jersey in the Milwaukee area?
Sure would love to walk into work with one of those on tomorrow.
(And in answer to above .. Favre beats GB twice this year, wins the SB, goes into HOF as a Viking. ;D)
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So when Favre goes to the HOF, you hope he doesn't enter in as a packer? Cause it sounds like you hope he has nothing to do with the franchise
of course he'll go in as a Packer but just because I don't worship him like some people doesn't mean I can't call him out as a media whoring douche
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goes into HOF as a Viking. ;D)
That'd be like Rollie Fingers going in as a Brewer...
EDIT: Maybe not the greatest analogy, but it would have been a joke.
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That'd be like Rollie Fingers going in as a Brewer...
Or Wade Boggs going in as a Devil Ray.....oh wait he did.
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From Peter King's column today:
"Childress has looked like a desperate man throughout this melodrama. He made it known internally that Favre had to do at least some work in the offseason program or the veteran mini-camp to be considered. Favre never showed. Then he had to come by the start of camp. Favre didn't come, opting for his third false retirement in 17 months. Now the Vikings let him come back after the team has gone through training camp. Favre's the wishy-washiest player in memory -- and the Vikings are his enablers. It's ridiculous."
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From Peter King's column today:
"Childress has looked like a desperate man throughout this melodrama. He made it known internally that Favre had to do at least some work in the offseason program or the veteran mini-camp to be considered. Favre never showed. Then he had to come by the start of camp. Favre didn't come, opting for his third false retirement in 17 months. Now the Vikings let him come back after the team has gone through training camp. Favre's the wishy-washiest player in memory -- and the Vikings are his enablers. It's ridiculous."
And Peter King the biggest enabler of them all...Favre had King's 5,000 words of (garbage) space carte blanche when this whole (un)retirement thing started up again earlier this year.
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And Peter King the biggest enabler of them all...Favre had King's 5,000 words of (garbage) space carte blanche when this whole (un)retirement thing started up again earlier this year.
And that should tell you something right?
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The guy is a complete media whore and he deserves to be booed. I'll just do it for all those fans (of other teams) that won't be able to do it in person.
Please do. And thank you.
I'm not a Packers fan, but I used to really like Favre. I can't stand him any more and wish the media would quit reporting this crap so he would just go away. Unfortunately, according to Mike & Mike, ESPN's numbers show that ratings are up whenever they talk about him, even if everyone listening/watching insists they're sick of hearing about him.
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From Peter King's column today:
"Childress has looked like a desperate man throughout this melodrama. He made it known internally that Favre had to do at least some work in the offseason program or the veteran mini-camp to be considered. Favre never showed. Then he had to come by the start of camp. Favre didn't come, opting for his third false retirement in 17 months. Now the Vikings let him come back after the team has gone through training camp. Favre's the wishy-washiest player in memory -- and the Vikings are his enablers. It's ridiculous."
I sense some bitterness, in this article, that Peter King wasn't able break the story. DAMN YOU FOX SPORTS!
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Please do. And thank you.
I'm not a Packers fan, but I used to really like Favre. I can't stand him any more and wish the media would quit reporting this crap so he would just go away. Unfortunately, according to Mike & Mike, ESPN's numbers show that ratings are up whenever they talk about him, even if everyone listening/watching insists they're sick of hearing about him.
That's because he's just having so much fun out there! Look at him smile! Look at the way he plays the game like a kid [or an idiot]. Look at that, Britt Farr just farted in the huddle! He makes it easier for younger guys to relax!
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I sense some bitterness, in this article, that Peter King wasn't able break the story. DAMN YOU FOX SPORTS!
Cue to shot of Jay Glazer, puffing on a cigar.
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Or Wade Boggs going in as a Devil Ray.....oh wait he did.
think again, Boggs is a red sock on his HOF plaque
On the issue:
Favre can do whatever he wants to. If he still feels he can play, go ahead. He's come off looking as a douche throughout this entire process but nobody will remember this in 10 years. I won't cheer him when he comes to GB as a Viking, but I won't boo him either. I will definitely cheer him though when he goes in the HOF as a Packer. Honestly, I don't believe Favre really makes the Vikings a much better team at all. He might still have the talent to win them a few games, but he most certainly will also cost them a few games when he tries to do too much (almost inevitable in at least one of the games against the Packers). In addition, he's going on 40 years old; to expect him to be healthy for all 16 games is a lot.
"Bingo. He's never valued the ball and that's always been my issue with him. Turnovers are a killer in the NFL."
What?? Yes, he threw a lot of interceptions but the last time I checked he also threw a lot of tds as well. The name of the game in the NFL is winning and #4 did that more times than any other qb in the history of the league, even though Chicos had issues with him. Haha, what a joke.
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2008 Favre with Jets: 9-7 record, 81.0 rating, 22 TD, 22* INT
2008 Vikings quarterbacks: 10-6 record, 81.5 rating, 22 TD, 17 INT
*=NFL leader
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think again, Boggs is a red sock on his HOF plaque
I guess I should have used teal. The Devil Rays offered him cash to go in as a devil ray and he was going to take it until MLB overruled it.
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I guess I should have used teal. The Devil Rays offered him cash to go in as a devil ray and he was going to take it until MLB overruled it.
haha, I had kinda forgot about that little conspiracy
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2008 Favre with Jets: 9-7 record, 81.0 rating, 22 TD, 22* INT
2008 Vikings quarterbacks: 10-6 record, 81.5 rating, 22 TD, 17 INT
*=NFL leader
Vikings roster > Jets roster
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Cue to shot of Jay Glazer, puffing on a cigar.
Say what you will about Glazer, but the guy knows his sh!t. Dude's been right about the Favre situation since he announced his retirement way back in 2008.
As for Favre himself, if he wants to play, he should play (especially if he can get $12M for it). But I'm with Lance on this one: Packers >>>>> Favre. Can't wait to see his purple-wearing @ss get planted all over Lambeau.
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lots of shirts available... funny one like this: (http://jerkassclothing.com/images/NEW/big/viqueens.gif)
http://jerkassclothing.com/shirtpage/brett_favre_viqueens.php?ref=
interesting this site has a warrior shirt on it too.
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So when Favre goes to the HOF, you hope he doesn't enter in as a packer?
Will he go in as a member of any team? I thought that was only the Baseball HOF. Football doesn't have a plaque with your hat on it so I think players are not in as a member of any team.
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Will he go in as a member of any team? I thought that was only the Baseball HOF. Football doesn't have a plaque with your hat on it so I think players are not in as a member of any team.
The Bears and Packers have their own spaces in the HOF.
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vikings=chilly
chilly=laughingstock
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vikings=chilly
chilly=laughingstock
Vikings = Defending NFC North Champions
Vikings = Playing February 7, 2010
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Vikings = Defending NFC North Champions
Vikings = Playing February 7, 2010
The Vikings aren't going to the Super Bowl. Childress is a terrible coach. Yes they won the NFC North, but I think Chicago is vastly improved and the Packers will be better. Even if they manage to win the division, they are no where near the Eagles caliber.
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Vikings = Playing February 7, 2010
Playing what? Golf?
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Even if they manage to win the division, they are no where near the Eagles caliber.
Nor the Giants. Cowboys may be better as well.
A 10-6, 9-7 record gets you one home playoff game (assuming they win the division). The Vikings will not be in the Super Bowl.
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And if the Vikings have to go on the road to a cold climate like the Meadowlands in January, Favre will be a liability then. He's 40, the cold doesn't feel the same way it does after 18 years of hits.
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And if the Vikings have to go on the road to a cold climate like the Meadowlands in January, Favre will be a liability then. He's 40, the cold doesn't feel the same way it does after 18 years of hits.
Heck, the way he played in the cold at Lambeau his last few years as a Packer he was a liability.
I wouldn't trust his arm/body on Week 15 at CAR, not to mention Week 16 at CHI...
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I wouldn't trust his arm/body on Week 15 at CAR, not to mention Week 16 at CHI...
Yep. They should get off to a great start, before the last 10 games or so when their schedule gets decidedly more difficult, just about the time Favre's age, injury, and lack of off-season conditioning begin to catch up with him. This is a huge mistake for the Vikings.
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He will not go in as a Green Bay Packer per NFL rules.
The induction ceremony is usually held the first full weekend in August. A community festival is held throughout the week in Canton leading up to the induction ceremonies. Also, the Pro Football Hall of Fame Game, an annual NFL pre-season exhibition game, is held the day after the induction ceremony.
Enshrinees do not go into the Pro Football Hall of Fame as a member of a certain team. Rather, all of an inductee's affiliations are listed equally.[6] While the Baseball Hall of Fame plaques generally depict each of their inductees wearing a particular club's cap (with a few exceptions, such as Catfish Hunter), the bust sculptures of each Pro Football Hall of Fame inductee make no reference to any specific team. In addition to the bust that goes on permanent display at the Hall of Fame, inductees receive a distinctive gold jacket and previous inductees nearly always wear theirs when participating at new inductee ceremonies.
Previous induction ceremonies were held during the day (Sunday from 1999-2005, Saturday in 2006), situated on the steps of the Hall of Fame building. Starting in 2002, the ceremony was moved to Fawcett Stadium, and, beginning in 2007, held Saturday night.[7]
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vikings=chilly
chilly=laughingstock
I don't even know what this means, but based on my logic class...
Vikings=laughingstock?
What happens to the Vikes when the Williams wall finally gets the suspension they deserve? If it is weeks 1-4, although this portion of the schedule is weaker, it could play a big part in the division race.
That being said, as a Bears fan and someone who wishes Favre would go away, the Vikings(AP, Jared Allen, and even Percy Harvin) still make me very nervous.
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That being said, as a Bears fan and someone who wishes Favre would go away, the Vikings(AP, Jared Allen, and even Percy Harvin) still make me very nervous.
I agree. Which is why I like the Favre signing (as a Packer fan). His presence will make them worse, not better.
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I kid about a Vikings' Superbowl. I don't care if Jesus himself played on the team.
If there's one thing I've learned about the Vikings as a franchise, growing up in Minnesota, is that they are losers. It's the same movie every year, usually the same beginning, different middle, but same end: a big fat L.
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Vikings = Defending NFC North Champions
Vikings = Playing February 7, 2010
Really? One fluke season, and your head is the size of the Land of 10,000 Lakes?
Yeah, maybe if you had 1996 Brett Favre. Or hell, even 2004 Brett Favre. Have fun with the Packers' sloppy seconds. I respect what Brett Favre did for this franchise for 16 years, but he's crossed the line now.
Tell me, how many quarterbacks have experienced high levels of success without working out, going to mini camps, or showing up for training camp? I'll give you a clue. Check out the tail end of the Sherman regime in Green Bay, and you'll have your answer.
If Favre REALLY wanted to win, or stick it to Ted, or whatever it is he REALLY wants to do, then he would have been in Minnesota since April building relationships, perfecting not only his, but his teammates' grasp of the offense, and getting himself in tip top playing shape around the shoulder surgery. If he had, I'd be scared crapless as a Packer fan right now. But as it stands, Favre will break down by week 8. In fact, they're foolish to play him this Friday when his entire workout regimen apparently consisted of tossing a few balls to the local high school kids, if you trust what he said in his press conference yesterday.
It's a shame that he's going to crash and burn this way, and it's a shame that I'm going to have to cheer against him while it happens. Maybe long after this travesty is over he'll come to his senses, but I'm starting to doubt that too.
You better hope Peterson stays healthy, because after him, your talent level drops considerably.
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Heck, the way he played in the cold at Lambeau his last few years as a Packer he was a liability.
I wouldn't trust his arm/body on Week 15 at CAR, not to mention Week 16 at CHI...
Methinks Favre retires again after Week 14 and then unretires if the Vikes make the playoffs and plays the first game in a dome/warm weather stadium.
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Wow ..
EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. (AP)—The Vikings have sold more than 3,000 season tickets since news broke that Brett Favre was coming to Minnesota. That’s in approximately a 24-hour span.
Chief marketing officer Steve LaCroix says the team has sold about 10,000 single-game tickets during that time as fans clamor over the arrival of the veteran quarterback.
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3000 new ticketholders x 10 games (8+2 preseason) + 10,000 singles x $60 avg = $2.4m in one day. Takes some of the sting off of Favre's salary.
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Wow ..
EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. (AP)—The Vikings have sold more than 3,000 season tickets since news broke that Brett Favre was coming to Minnesota. That’s in approximately a 24-hour span.
Chief marketing officer Steve LaCroix says the team has sold about 10,000 single-game tickets during that time as fans clamor over the arrival of the veteran quarterback.
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3000 new ticketholders x 10 games (8+2 preseason) + 10,000 singles x $60 avg = $2.4m in one day. Takes some of the sting off of Favre's salary.
If by sting, you mean 1/10, then yes, it takes some sting off of it :P
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Fun t-shirts
http://shop.cafepress.com/favre?page=1&sort=by_date_desc
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Adrian Peterson had the most fumbles in the NFL and Brett Favre threw the most interceptions in the NFL last year. That is not a good sign.
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If by sting, you mean 1/10, then yes, it takes some sting off of it :P
Favre's contract is $10-12m. So $2.4m of that is closer to 1/5th. -- And remember, that's after only 24 hours. Surely, that rate will go down, but say they hit $5m of extra ticket sales over the next month. Not bad.
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Adrian Peterson had the most fumbles in the NFL and Brett Favre threw the most interceptions in the NFL last year. That is not a good sign.
Peterson as our running back.. yes, terrible sign. Poor us. Favre now in, instead of Rosenfels or Tarvaris... bad news. Since our offense, especially that POS left side of the line, is so troubled, I sure hope we can do something on D. Maybe the D-line filled with .. what's it called? Pro Bowlers? ... can put in a decent effort.
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Tell me, how many quarterbacks have experienced high levels of success without working out, going to mini camps, or showing up for training camp? I'll give you a clue. Check out the tail end of the Sherman regime in Green Bay, and you'll have your answer.
If Favre REALLY wanted to win, or stick it to Ted, or whatever it is he REALLY wants to do, then he would have been in Minnesota since April building relationships, perfecting not only his, but his teammates' grasp of the offense, and getting himself in tip top playing shape around the shoulder surgery. If he had, I'd be scared crapless as a Packer fan right now. But as it stands, Favre will break down by week 8. In fact, they're foolish to play him this Friday when his entire workout regimen apparently consisted of tossing a few balls to the local high school kids, if you trust what he said in his press conference yesterday.
Peyton Manning didn't participate in training camp last year, and he was the MVP of the league.
To say that Brett Favre hasn't been working out is ridiculous, the man has been working out all offseason, thats why there has been so much speculation to him coming back, due to his offseason regiment.
The Vikings will win the NFC North, and lose in the playoffs, thats my .02 cents
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Peterson as our running back.. yes, terrible sign. Poor us. Favre now in, instead of Rosenfels or Tarvaris... bad news. Since our offense, especially that POS left side of the line, is so troubled, I sure hope we can do something on D. Maybe the D-line filled with .. what's it called? Pro Bowlers? ... can put in a decent effort.
Let's get one thing straight.. at this point in their respective careers, our quarterback is better than yours. Also keep in mind that our defensive coordinator is a mastermind, and was THE biggest pickup in the NFC North this off season. And we return defensive players that wholly comprised a unit that ranked 6th, yes, 6th, in the NFL in PPG allowed in '07, but were forced to play much of the season without the following in '08: Barnett, Bigby, Harris, Jenkins, Woodson, and Hawk. Oh, and throw in two defensive first round picks...
Now, just so I don't make outlandish unverified claims about this huge off season acquisition, like some purple-wearing NFL supporters, allow me to clarify.
The 1991 Pittsburgh Steelers ranked 22nd in the NFL in PPG allowed. Dom Capers was hired to run the defense in 1992, and remained there until 1994. In that span, the Steelers ranked 2nd, 8th, and 2nd in PPG allowed . After a brief stint as head coach of the expansion Carolina Panthers, which included an NFC Championship appearance, Dom Capers headed to Jacksonville, who in 1998 fielded the 17th ranked scoring defense in the NFL. In his first year as their coordinator, in 1999, Capers led Jacksonville to have the 1st overall ranked scoring defense in the league. Seeing a trend here? Capers' only failed defensive coordinator appearance came in relief duty as much of the Miami Dolphins coaching staff was fired midseason in 2007. That team, however, was never subject to Capers' skills as an organizer and installer of his 3-4 system. Capers was forced to coach the Jim Bates 4-3 while changing systems on the fly, since he was on staff merely as a linebacker consultant and special assistant to the head coach. This scenario in Green Bay matches up almost identically to those in Pittsburgh and Jacksonville, with respect to a change from a faltering 4-3 to a Capers-led 3-4. Will history repeat itself? You better hope not.
Speaking of history repeating itself, you better hope Peterson is fully healthy and able to carry the load down the stretch this year. Let us take a look at Favre's performance after Thanksgiving Day since 2005, shall we?
2005: 2 TD, 12 INT, 49% completion, 1338 yards, 53.3 QB Rating
2006: 5 TD, 11 INT, 58% completion, 1517 yards, 65.0 QB Rating
2007: 6 TD, 7 INT, 59% completion, 799 yards, 73.2 QB Rating
2008: 2 TD, 9 INT, 56% completion, 1011 yards, 55.2 QB Rating
Ouch. Better hope you guys build a BIG lead in the division this year, because I sense a little pattern developing here.
Meanwhile, the redheaded stepchild formerly known as Tarvaris Jackson pulled this out of his hat after Thanksgiving last year:
8 TD, 1 INT, 64% completion, 740 yards, 115.4 QB Rating.
Incredibly interesting.
Jay Bee, I'm sure you'll throw back some nice little one liner and feel nice and fuzzy about yourself. (Pro Bowlers? That's the best you could come up with? Favre and his 1:1 TD to INT ratio and 81.0 QB Rating were good for a Pro Bowl last year, if that tells you anything...)
But these are facts. I'm respectfully asking you to dispute them, but I really don't think you can.
I'll admit the prospect of a healthy, committed Favre like we saw in '07 is a formidable opponent. But that would have required him to be in Winter Park in March or April, building relationships with his teammates, getting on the same page as coaches, keeping himself in shape at their facilities and doing exhaustive film study like he did during his last hurrah in green and gold. Face it, the guy wants to pull a Roger Clemens. Skip the meat and bones of perfecting NFL football, and show up only on Sundays. Even worse, the pushovers that call themselves the Vikings front office and coaching staff are allowing it to happen. He's selling himself short, the team short, and every fan who has hopes that the Vikings will go places this year short.
Dating back to 2006, the Bears won the division and went to a Super Bowl. They faltered the next year. We won the division and made an NFC Championship game appearance in '07. We faltered in '08. You guys won a tight division race in '08. If we can learn anything, it's that arrogance is stupidity when it comes to the NFC North. Of course, you embody that sentiment wholeheartedly.
You better hope this team can back up half your words this season, Jay Bee, especially with the prospect looming larger that the anchors of that talented defensive line will be sidelined for a quarter of the season because of what they chose to put in their bodies. Things could get ugly for the Vikings early.
One thing is for sure though, this is shaping up to be one of the most intriguing seasons in our division ever, and I'm really, really looking forward to it. Go Pack.
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Haha.. I love the heavy feelings many of you 'Packer Backers' catch over Favre and your obvious jealousy of the Minnesota Vikings. Dude is talking about Dom Capers in the early 90s... haha... hilarious.
With the team we have this year, for the 2009 (2009-10 in our case) season, I would prefer to have Farve than Rodgers. Your little team has who you would prefer, my stud dynasty-destined squad has who I would prefer. Good luck.
I'll remain more concerned about wins and losses, while you can concern yourself with a few more interceptions when comparing one QB to another, and trends you can make up regarding assistant coaches in a different era.
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Haha.. I love the heavy feelings many of you 'Packer Backers' catch over Favre and your obvious jealousy of the Minnesota Vikings. Dude is talking about Dom Capers in the early 90s... haha... hilarious.
With the team we have this year, for the 2009 (2009-10 in our case) season, I would prefer to have Farve than Rodgers. Your little team has who you would prefer, my stud dynasty-destined squad has who I would prefer. Good luck.
I'll remain more concerned about wins and losses, while you can concern yourself with a few more interceptions when comparing one QB to another, and trends you can make up regarding assistant coaches in a different era.
Me "obviously" jealous of the Minnesota Vikings? The "hey! We have Brett Favre! everyone buy tickets!" Minnesota Vikings? The "storied history" Minnesota Vikings? The "love boat party" Minnesota Vikings? "Whizzinator" Minnesota Vikings? Daunte Culpepper "Get Your Roll On" Minnesota Vikings? Just because one of my favorite players of all time chose to be a dumbass during the epic slide that's occurring to end his career, make no mistake, I want nothing to do with this trashy franchise. Ever.
Oh, and you just referred to a Brad Childress-led team as "dynasty-destined." And your "dynasty" is led by a soon-to-be 40 year old quarterback. Exactly HOW delusional are you? I don't mean to challenge your football knowledge but... I'm openly challenging your football knowledge. Ridiculous.
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Peyton Manning didn't participate in training camp last year, and he was the MVP of the league.
To say that Brett Favre hasn't been working out is ridiculous, the man has been working out all offseason, thats why there has been so much speculation to him coming back, due to his offseason regiment.
The Vikings will win the NFC North, and lose in the playoffs, thats my .02 cents
Peyton is a whole other story all together. If I'm not mistaken, he was on site for just about all team activities (only not participating) for a team that he's quarterbacked since 1998. The difference would be if this was Peyton 7 years from now. Playing in his first season with the Tennessee Titans.
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Haha.. I love the heavy feelings many of you 'Packer Backers' catch over Favre and your obvious jealousy of the Minnesota Vikings. Dude is talking about Dom Capers in the early 90s... haha... hilarious.
With the team we have this year, for the 2009 (2009-10 in our case) season, I would prefer to have Farve than Rodgers. Your little team has who you would prefer, my stud dynasty-destined squad has who I would prefer. Good luck.
I'll remain more concerned about wins and losses, while you can concern yourself with a few more interceptions when comparing one QB to another, and trends you can make up regarding assistant coaches in a different era.
HAHA! Jay Bee, have you ever experienced your favorite football franchise winning a Super Bowl? Your franchise hasn't seen a Conference Championship since 2000, and you lost FOURTY-ONE TO NOTHING! You personally have never seen your team in a Super Bowl! But you are correct, us Packer fans are EXTREMELY jealous of your unbelievable franchise!
Please define a dynasty. Maybe you'll make it to the Wild Card round and bow out for the 2nd year in a row, what a great dynasty! Although, I forgot, for the Viqueens, that is a dynasty.
You would rather have Favre than Rodgers?! Last year's stats:
Aaron Rodgers: 4,038 yards, 63.6 completion %, 28 TD, 13 INT, 24 YEARS OLD (last year)
Brett Favre: 3,472 yards, 65.7 completion %, 22 TD, 22 INT, 39 YEARS OLD
Yeah, who would want Aaron Rodgers to lead their team over Brett Favre? As PXI stated, your football knowledge is 100% being questioned by me, and should be by everyone else on MUScoop.
Haha not to mention the Vikings are making 1 player bigger than the whole franchise. So Coach Childress, if Favre is going to play for you, he must be there for mini camp? Oh, okay, mini camp's over, he's just now flying in, can you be the team bitch and go pick him up from our private jet that we're flying him in on? HAHA what a push over!
When you consistently make the playoffs (like, more often than twice in the last 8 years...) then maybe you can talk about being more concerned about wins and losses than Packer fans.
And when you personally actually witness your beloved Viqueens in a Super Bowl (I'm not even saying you have to WIN it, just GET THERE), then you can start even CONSIDERING talking junk about the Packers (or even the Bears). If the Lions weren't in the division you'd be the absolute laughing stock of the NFC North.
Once again, Jay Bee, you have proven to be the dumbest poster I've ever seen.
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I'll admit the prospect of a healthy, committed Favre like we saw in '07 is a formidable opponent.
This is true, and his off season work out and conditioning heading into that season was well documented. Last off season not so much, and he stunk. This season nada, and anyone expecting results better than what they saw in '08 is fooling themselves. He's another year older, injured, and has not done the work necessary to off set that. Trust me, a few months from now, Viking fans are going to hate Brett Favre way more than they did a few years ago when he was whipping their a$$es as a Packer.
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Haha.. I love the heavy feelings many of you 'Packer Backers' catch over Favre and your obvious jealousy of the Minnesota Vikings. Dude is talking about Dom Capers in the early 90s... haha... hilarious.
With the team we have this year, for the 2009 (2009-10 in our case) season, I would prefer to have Farve than Rodgers. Your little team has who you would prefer, my stud dynasty-destined squad has who I would prefer. Good luck.
I'll remain more concerned about wins and losses, while you can concern yourself with a few more interceptions when comparing one QB to another, and trends you can make up regarding assistant coaches in a different era.
keep this post in mind around Thanksgiving and see how often Jay Bee talks about the position of his Vikes.
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No muwarrior, it's us who will be eating our words. Favre will magically break out of his streak of late-season futility by finding the fountain of youth, which currently resides in Winter Park.
How else do you think Brad Childress maintains these boyish good looks?
(http://www.rotorob.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/brad_childress.jpg)
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But seriously, Jay Bee, do you (or any other Vikings fans for that matter) think that Favre struggling to find his groove in December at ages 36, 37, 38, and 39, respectively, was merely a coincidence? That those four consecutive atrocious performances are just a matter of circumstance?
Good luck with that...
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Favre's contract is $10-12m. So $2.4m of that is closer to 1/5th. -- And remember, that's after only 24 hours. Surely, that rate will go down, but say they hit $5m of extra ticket sales over the next month. Not bad.
Techincally.... $12m 2009-2010; $13MM 2010-2011
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You guys aren't seeing one of the funniest things yet...they can't afford to pay Favre:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/19/favre-contract-highlights-cash-problems-in-minnesota/
It's only fitting that the Vikings had to go out and take GB's sloppy seconds (how'd Ferguson and Sharper work out?) again to sell their season tickets. At least no more local blackouts!
Well, maybe it's the Vikings cash flows that break down at Week 8 and not Favre...
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You guys aren't seeing one of the funniest things yet...they can't afford to pay Favre:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/19/favre-contract-highlights-cash-problems-in-minnesota/
It's only fitting that the Vikings had to go out and take GB's sloppy seconds (how'd Ferguson and Sharper work out?) again to sell their season tickets. At least no more local blackouts!
Well, maybe it's the Vikings cash flows that break down at Week 8 and not Favre...
Of course, when the Vikes win the SB with Favre, their cash flow problems will improve. ;)
As for "sloppy seconds" .. uh, Sharper worked out just fine, 4 years with the Vikings earning 2 pro-bowls. Oh, and then there's Ryan Longwell.
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Of course, when the Vikes win the SB with Favre, their cash flow problems will improve. ;)
As for "sloppy seconds" .. uh, Sharper worked out just fine, 4 years with the Vikings earning 2 pro-bowls. Oh, and then there's Ryan Longwell.
You overpaid for Sharper (he was still playing at a high level but in the decline in his career).
You definitely overpaid for Longwell but I guess you can't really complain with his results.
What, this is a rivalry, you want all facts?!?
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But seriously, Jay Bee, do you (or any other Vikings fans for that matter) think that Favre struggling to find his groove in December at ages 36, 37, 38, and 39, respectively, was merely a coincidence? That those four consecutive atrocious performances are just a matter of circumstance?
Good luck with that...
John Dodds...will have you...banned for this
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Go Lions! Possibly the most improved team in the league! ;D ;D ;D ;D (one for each pre-season competitive game)
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Go Lions! Possibly the most improved team in the league! ;D ;D ;D ;D (one for each pre-season competitive game)
The Lions went 4-0 in preseason last year.
Just sayin'... ;)
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Go Lions! Possibly the most improved team in the league! ;D ;D ;D ;D (one for each pre-season competitive game)
I agree, the Lions will improve there win total by 400% this year. Will be by far the biggest jump in the NFL.
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I agree, the Lions will improve there win total by 400% this year. Will be by far the biggest jump in the NFL.
My question is how do you calculate the percent change on this one....
(New-Old)/Old
Stupid divide by zero...
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Math is for nerds '02.
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Math is for nerds '02.
(http://haterlover.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/ogre.jpg)
NERDS!!!!!!!!!
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^^^ looks like Erin Rodgers. I was more concerned with the use of "there" instead of "their" than I was with the bad math.
The Vikings players are continuing the complimentary comments this morning. They absolutely love Favre and are very impressed with the arm and his swagger.
I've got a bet for any takers: Minnesota wins the NFC North this year. You pick a different team. Your team wins, you win the bet. My team wins, I win the bet.
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The Vikings players are continuing the complimentary comments this morning. They absolutely love Favre and are very impressed with the arm and his swagger.
That's great. No doubt kinda like his early days in New York. If the complimentary comments are ther in Feb/Mar, I'll be interested. There is a clear track record of his ability to poison a locker room. Maybe it won't happen this time, but a few positive comments on August 20th mean nothing.
I admire your optimism (wishful thinking), but history would seem to indicate it is unfounded. They may well win the division, but that was true three days ago too. As I've said, Favre will be a hindrance to any aspirations beyond that.
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^^^ looks like Erin Rodgers. I was more concerned with the use of "there" instead of "their" than I was with the bad math.
The Vikings players are continuing the complimentary comments this morning. They absolutely love Favre and are very impressed with the arm and his swagger.
I've got a bet for any takers: Minnesota wins the NFC North this year. You pick a different team. Your team wins, you win the bet. My team wins, I win the bet.
No matter how hot the new girls is, remember that somewhere, someone or perhaps many someones are very glad to be rid of her. Sometime in late December you will understand what many Packer fans are saying right now. There is only one QB in the entire division with the capability to remove his team from playoff contention and that QB is Favre.
I see I was beaten to the punch by NRJ.
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^^^ looks like Erin Rodgers. I was more concerned with the use of "there" instead of "their" than I was with the bad math.
The Vikings players are continuing the complimentary comments this morning. They absolutely love Favre and are very impressed with the arm and his swagger.
I've got a bet for any takers: Minnesota wins the NFC North this year. You pick a different team. Your team wins, you win the bet. My team wins, I win the bet.
Of course they're complimentary about his arm strength, the 40 year old has a better arm than any quarterback almost all of the current Vikings have ever had on the team. That says nothing, I have better arm strength than any quarterback they've had before him. And are they supposed to talk bad about their new quarterback and team leader? That would make no sense. You're pretty darn naive if you believe the whole team actually likes the guy and is happy he just decided to skip out on camp before returning.
And of course Favre has swagger, he can do whatever he wants to whenever he wants to in the organization, and he knows it and has already taken advantage of that. As I said before, Coach Childress says Favre needs to be at mini-camp to be the starting quarterback, and then when Favre decides he doesn't want to be there, Coach Childress is the one who is sent as Vikings bitch to pick him up from the Vikings private jet he took the day mini-camp ended. Favre's bigger than the whole Viqueens franchise, and the franchise made it so, so of course he has swagger.
I'll bet the Packers take 1st and the Bears take 2nd. Viqueens hang around until Week 9, and then they would be better to have Sage as the QB, but again, their new QB is bigger than the franchise, so that won't happen.
By the way, I like how you only respond to the most pointless posts, with the most ridiculous responses ever that have no basis. Again, you have no football knowledge.
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I'll be the Packers take 1st and the Bears take 2nd. Viqueens hang around until Week 9, and then they would be better to have Sage as the QB, but again, their new QB is bigger than the franchise, so that won't happen.
By the way, I like how you only respond to the most pointless posts, with the most ridiculous responses ever that have no basis. Again, you have no football knowledge.
$50. You've got Green Bey, I've got the Vikings. Deal? I know you have had troubles paying in the past, but maybe this time you'll come through. C'mon, guy, take advantage of me not having any football knowledge.
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$50. You've got Green Bey, I've got the Vikings. Deal? I know you have had troubles paying in the past, but maybe this time you'll come through. C'mon, guy, take advantage of me not having any football knowledge.
If you'd tell me who you are and what I owe you for I might pay you, but I can't really do so if I don't know you...
And I will absolutely take that deal.
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I thought you'd go quiet once I accepted your bet, Jay Bee. If you ever feel like responding to the post, I still accept that bet.
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I thought you'd go quiet once I accepted your bet, Jay Bee. If you ever feel like responding to the post, I still accept that bet.
Young buck, I'm busy making these massive ends. First off, your initial reply didn't accept the bet.. instead it just (strangely) indicated that you believed it's likely you owe a person(s) money. You edited the reply and said that you accepted the bet.
The bet is on. After a few weeks, feel free to offer me a lower dollar amount in exchange for your conceding early (i.e. October 6 rolls around and you want to offer me $34 immediately to end the bet, I may show you some mercy.. but the dollar amount must end in a 4).
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Young buck, I'm busy making these massive ends. First off, your initial reply didn't accept the bet.. instead it just (strangely) indicated that you believed it's likely you owe a person(s) money. You edited the reply and said that you accepted the bet.
The bet is on. After a few weeks, feel free to offer me a lower dollar amount in exchange for your conceding early (i.e. October 6 rolls around and you want to offer me $34 immediately to end the bet, I may show you some mercy.. but the dollar amount must end in a 4).
Because it would be wise to concede the bet by week 4 of an NFL season. Brilliant. Especially given Favre's track record as the season wears on over the last 4 years. You never cease to amaze me.
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Young buck, I'm busy making these massive ends. First off, your initial reply didn't accept the bet.. instead it just (strangely) indicated that you believed it's likely you owe a person(s) money. You edited the reply and said that you accepted the bet.
The bet is on. After a few weeks, feel free to offer me a lower dollar amount in exchange for your conceding early (i.e. October 6 rolls around and you want to offer me $34 immediately to end the bet, I may show you some mercy.. but the dollar amount must end in a 4).
If it wasn't for you actually believing what you write, I'd think you were the funniest poster on this site.
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The bet is on. After a few weeks, feel free to offer me a lower dollar amount in exchange for your conceding early (i.e. October 6 rolls around and you want to offer me $34 immediately to end the bet, I may show you some mercy.. but the dollar amount must end in a 4).
You aren't from Rockford are you?
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That's great. No doubt kinda like his early days in New York. If the complimentary comments are ther in Feb/Mar, I'll be interested. There is a clear track record of his ability to poison a locker room. Maybe it won't happen this time, but a few positive comments on August 20th mean nothing.
I admire your optimism (wishful thinking), but history would seem to indicate it is unfounded. They may well win the division, but that was true three days ago too. As I've said, Favre will be a hindrance to any aspirations beyond that.
It will all come down to winning. When Brett led the pack to the NFC championship game 2 years ago, you didn't hear complaints from his teammates.
When the Jets were winning early last year, you didn't hear complaints. It wasn't until they lost a lot of games at the end of the season that stuff came out.
I'm not saying Brett ISN'T a diva, but if he wins games, none of that teammate will even come up.
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I find humor that Jay Bee is soooo confident that the 'Queens are SB bound that he won't take his squad versus the field of the NFC North.
Nonetheless I will gladly bet an additional $20 spot that the Pack will take the division.
Jay Bee has already paid me once, so I look forward to buying another 30 rack of Miller Lite with my winnings come early January 2010.
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I'm not saying Brett ISN'T a diva, but if he wins games, none of that teammate will even come up.
Maybe not right away, but those same Packers he won (and lost) with, had plenty to say once he was gone. Whether they talk about it or not doesn't matter. Whether or not he poisons the locker room does. His teammates proved themselves to be professionals. Not sure I can say the same about Brett the past few years.
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Maybe not right away, but those same Packers he won (and lost) with, had plenty to say once he was gone. Whether they talk about it or not doesn't matter. Whether or not he poisons the locker room does. His teammates proved themselves to be professionals. Not sure I can say the same about Brett the past few years.
I hear ya, I'm just not sure that him "poisoning the locker room" is as serious as we all like to pretend sometimes.
If the team wins, none of that stuff will ever come up.
Put it this way:
When Brett was winning, he was called a great teammate and a good veteran leader.
When Brett was losing (only twice in his career), he was accused of poisoning the locker room.
He's probably always been an egotistical diva... it just stands out when the team loses.
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The problem is, he just doesn't have the same ability he did in years past. Couple that with the fact that the Vikings were already set up for a good year without him, and this is a train wreck waiting to happen. If you were getting the 2004 or even the 2007 version of Brett Favre, sure you deal with the nonsense, but anyone who thinks they are getting that guy is kidding themselves. He's 40 years old, injured, and has not put in the off-season work (as he did prior to '07). If he comes in and pisses this team off, he no longer has the ability to make up for it with pure talent on the field.
Great move for the Packers and Bears!
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The problem is, he just doesn't have the same ability he did in years past. Couple that with the fact that the Vikings were already set up for a good year without him, and this is a train wreck waiting to happen. If you were getting the 2004 or even the 2007 version of Brett Favre, sure you deal with the nonsense, but anyone who thinks they are getting that guy is kidding themselves. He's 40 years old, injured, and has not put in the off-season work (as he did prior to '07). If he comes in and pisses this team off, he no longer has the ability to make up for it with pure talent on the field.
Great move for the Packers and Bears!
You could certainly be right.
All of the things you have listed are legitimate concerns.
All I'm saying is that if he plays poorly (which could happen), he'll be accused of being a bad teammate.
If he plays well, you won't hear any of that. You'll hear something about how he has helped the young receivers or some crap.
It really doesn't matter how he acts. It will be about his performance (which can certainly be debated).
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Favre: 1 of 4 for 4 yds; crowd circle jerks each other for an hour
T-Jack: 12 of 15 for 200 yds and TD's; crowd boo's him
Stay classy Minny.
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Favre: 1 of 4 for 4 yds; crowd circle jerks each other for an hour
T-Jack: 12 of 15 for 200 yds and TD's; crowd boo's him
Stay classy Minny.
It's obvious he's old, over the hill and just plain done. What a waste of $12 million!!!
Reinko, I confirm the bet. $20.
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I bet Jay Bee is really excited that he will be able to watch all the home games now without the worry of a blackout. Haha, what a joke of a fanbase.
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I bet Jay Bee is really excited that he will be able to watch all the home games now without the worry of a blackout. Haha, what a joke of a fanbase/franchise.
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I bet Jay Bee is really excited that he will be able to watch all the home games now without the worry of a blackout. Haha, what a joke of a fanbase.
Never had that worry. First off, I'm a season ticket holder... but more important as it pertains to the goofball crap you're insinuating regarding the consensus pick for the NFC North Champion this year (and actual NFC North Champ last year) is that the Vikings have sold out 115 consecutive games.
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Never had that worry. First off, I'm a season ticket holder... but more important as it pertains to the goofball crap you're insinuating regarding the consensus pick for the NFC North Champion this year (and actual NFC North Champ last year) is that the Vikings have sold out 115 consecutive games.
Yeah, the Vikings streak of consecutive sold out games is as legit as the Redskins' season ticket waiting list.
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Never had that worry. First off, I'm a season ticket holder... but more important as it pertains to the goofball crap you're insinuating regarding the consensus pick for the NFC North Champion this year (and actual NFC North Champ last year) is that the Vikings have sold out 115 consecutive games.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! It's amazing all those big companies can find so many fans to go to the games only a few days/hours before. In addition, I have seen quite a few places where the Bears or the Packers have been picked to finish 1st in the Central; the Vikings are hardly the consensus pick.
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! It's amazing all those big companies can find so many fans to go to the games only a few days/hours before. In addition, I have seen quite a few places where the Bears or the Packers have been picked to finish 1st in the Central; the Vikings are hardly the consensus pick.
You just laughed at facts. I understand when people give excuses for why something didn't factually happen (i.e., oooh, Vikings got lucky last year).. but, making up excuses for something that is factual (i.e., 115 sellouts in a row) displays insane love for men. Congrats.
You have seen 'quite a few places'? Where? The poster on your brother's wall across the hall? Dad's drunken rants? The fact is, the money is on Minnesota.
Like I said (and have two takers so far), if you believe otherwise then put your tiny money where your big mouth is.
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You just laughed at facts. I understand when people give excuses for why something didn't factually happen (i.e., oooh, Vikings got lucky last year).. but, making up excuses for something that is factual (i.e., 115 sellouts in a row) displays insane love for men. Congrats.
You have seen 'quite a few places'? Where? The poster on your brother's wall across the hall? Dad's drunken rants? The fact is, the money is on Minnesota.
Like I said (and have two takers so far), if you believe otherwise then put your tiny money where your big mouth is.
$50. And you better be good for it, because your geriatric quarterback is gonna fold by midseason. I'm sorry.
Actually, I take that back. I'm not sorry at all. It's gonna be a JOY to watch.
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You just laughed at facts. I understand when people give excuses for why something didn't factually happen (i.e., oooh, Vikings got lucky last year).. but, making up excuses for something that is factual (i.e., 115 sellouts in a row) displays insane love for men. Congrats.
You have seen 'quite a few places'? Where? The poster on your brother's wall across the hall? Dad's drunken rants? The fact is, the money is on Minnesota.
Like I said (and have two takers so far), if you believe otherwise then put your tiny money where your big mouth is.
The reason they sell out is because various entities buy out the balance of the tickets prior to a potential blackout. So yes while you are factually correct, you are leaving a key fact out of your statement.
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Tarvaris Jackson at QB > Ragnar at QB > Brett Favre at QB
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Jay Bee,
I'll take $20 on Chicago, if the offer is still out there...
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The reason they sell out is because various entities buy out the balance of the tickets prior to a potential blackout. So yes while you are factually correct, you are leaving a key fact out of your statement.
They had to do it for last year's playoff game...pathetic.
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I confirm the following bets:
wadesworld $50 (Green Bay)
reinko $20 (Green Bay)
PXILiberachi2 $50 (? please confirm if you've got GB or Chi.. or DET)
MU_B2002 $20 (Chicago)
Good luck. Hopefully we can pull off some victories in the quiet little Dome this year, despite all of our tickets being bought by corporations at the last minute.
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I confirm the following bets:
wadesworld $50 (Green Bay)
reinko $20 (Green Bay)
PXILiberachi2 $50 (? please confirm if you've got GB or Chi.. or DET)
MU_B2002 $20 (Chicago)
Good luck. Hopefully we can pull off some victories in the quiet little Dome this year, despite all of our tickets being bought by corporations at the last minute.
No matter how Favre plays, the NFC north should be very entertaining this year. I have had enough of preseason football already. 20 days until the Bears and pack kick it off in lambo*. (yes, i know it's misspelled)
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I confirm the following bets:
wadesworld $50 (Green Bay)
reinko $20 (Green Bay)
PXILiberachi2 $50 (? please confirm if you've got GB or Chi.. or DET)
MU_B2002 $20 (Chicago)
Good luck. Hopefully we can pull off some victories in the quiet little Dome this year, despite all of our tickets being bought by corporations at the last minute.
12-time World Champion Green Bay Packers.
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$50. And you better be good for it, because your geriatric quarterback is gonna fold by midseason. I'm sorry.
Actually, I take that back. I'm not sorry at all. It's gonna be a JOY to watch.
I can't believe that people think Packer fans are bitter.
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I can't believe that people think Packer fans are bitter.
Hell yeah I'm bitter. Shouldn't I be? The retirement song and dance was fine when it was resolved by April. But now? One of my favorite athletes ever is making an ass of himself repeatedly, and trying to do so at the expense of the team I support. If Favre has every right to play football (re: force his way out of Green Bay, force his way out of New York, and go play where he runs the show, in Minnesota), then I have every right to be bitter about it. I'll let you do the math. Favre works with personal trainer. Attends all off season activities. And does extra film study. Favre has a Pro Bowl season. Favre does none of those things, and waltzes into training camp three weeks after everyone else while getting treated like royalty (and completely disrupting the balance of the locker room), out of football shape, surgically repaired biceps, partially torn shoulder tendons and all, and you think he'll replicate 2007?! What about 2005, 2006, and 2008?
Of course, we were bound to defend him in those years since he was our guy and had been for such a long time, but now all bets are off. Favre's a good quarterback when he puts the time in. But he's no longer a miracle worker, and Jay Bee (and the rest of Vikings nation) will find that out sooner rather than later. He "miracled" his Jets from 8-3 to a 9-7 finish and out of the playoffs, despite the best rushing attack in the AFC. Now THAT takes skill.
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You just laughed at facts. I understand when people give excuses for why something didn't factually happen (i.e., oooh, Vikings got lucky last year).. but, making up excuses for something that is factual (i.e., 115 sellouts in a row) displays insane love for men. Congrats.
You have seen 'quite a few places'? Where? The poster on your brother's wall across the hall? Dad's drunken rants? The fact is, the money is on Minnesota.
Like I said (and have two takers so far), if you believe otherwise then put your tiny money where your big mouth is.
Well as long as we are talking betting why don't we check that.
Chicago Bears +180
Detroit Lions +1200
Green Bay Packers +200
Minnesota Vikings +140
Hard to say that anyone is a consensus favorite.
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Well as long as we are talking betting why don't we check that.
Chicago Bears +180
Detroit Lions +1200
Green Bay Packers +200
Minnesota Vikings +140
Hard to say that anyone is a consensus favorite.
No, it's actually not difficult at all. Just look at the lines you quoted. Not a big math guy, I take it...
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Jay Bee (or anyone who knows)
When does the William's wall find out about the status of their appealed suspension?
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Jay Bee (or anyone who knows)
When does the William's wall find out about the status of their appealed suspension?
I thought the State supreme court in MN threw that case out?
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No, it's actually not difficult at all. Just look at the lines you quoted. Not a big math guy, I take it...
This is what a consensus favorite looks like......
Buffalo Bills +800
Miami Dolphins +900
New England Patriots -600
New York Jets +800
Denver Broncos +1000
Kansas City Chiefs +1000
Oakland Raiders +800
San Diego Chargers -800
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Jay Bee (or anyone who knows)
When does the William's wall find out about the status of their appealed suspension?
It's anybody's guess. More likely than not, they will get to play this season. But, that could change as well. There are questions/arguments regarding who has jurisdiction. This could drag on until after these guys are freaking retired. But, who cares about these All-Pro lineman? Our season will be shot halfway through the year when the old man's arm falls off.
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Yeah, the Vikings streak of consecutive sold out games is as legit as the Redskins' season ticket waiting list.
Although nearly 65,000 is the capacity of the Metrodome, the NFL considers 62,000 tickets there a sellout.
It has become something of a running joke among media members in the press box at Vikings games when the attendance numbers have been announced that proclaim “this is the (fill in the number) consecutive sellout at the Metrodome!”
At times it has seemed impossible. In the regular-season finale against the Rams last year, the team hit 95 in a row, despite about 10,000 fans being disguised as empty seats. In the preseason opener against the Rams this year, that number appeared to be closer to 15,000, yet the sellout hit No. 96.
Will it hit 97 on the regular-season opener vs. the Falcons? That is a question that may have to be put on hold for now.
The Vikings are going to launch a media blitz today on TV and radio announcing that the streak is in jeopardy. Ten years ago, sellouts became an issue since 4 of 8 games were not sold out.
http://min.scout.com/2/673353.html
Just one example of many....
The Vikings-Lions game will be shown locally Sunday after the remaining 2,100 tickets were picked up on Friday.
U.S. Bank, SuperClean Brands/Factory Value Parts and KMSP (Ch. 9) combined to buy the remaining tickets, making the game a sellout.
The Vikings got a 25-hour extension on Thursday and announced the sellout at 12:30 p.m. today.
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Jay Bee (or anyone who knows)
When does the William's wall find out about the status of their appealed suspension?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/18/starcaps-appeal-moves-forward/
Probably before the start of the season.
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Hell yeah I'm bitter. Shouldn't I be? The retirement song and dance was fine when it was resolved by April. But now? One of my favorite athletes ever is making an ass of himself repeatedly, and trying to do so at the expense of the team I support. If Favre has every right to play football (re: force his way out of Green Bay, force his way out of New York, and go play where he runs the show, in Minnesota), then I have every right to be bitter about it. I'll let you do the math. Favre works with personal trainer. Attends all off season activities. And does extra film study. Favre has a Pro Bowl season. Favre does none of those things, and waltzes into training camp three weeks after everyone else while getting treated like royalty (and completely disrupting the balance of the locker room), out of football shape, surgically repaired biceps, partially torn shoulder tendons and all, and you think he'll replicate 2007?! What about 2005, 2006, and 2008?
Of course, we were bound to defend him in those years since he was our guy and had been for such a long time, but now all bets are off. Favre's a good quarterback when he puts the time in. But he's no longer a miracle worker, and Jay Bee (and the rest of Vikings nation) will find that out sooner rather than later. He "miracled" his Jets from 8-3 to a 9-7 finish and out of the playoffs, despite the best rushing attack in the AFC. Now THAT takes skill.
That's an honest answer, and I don't really blame you.
I've just heard a lot of Packer fans now saying "I'm not bitter anymore, but I want to see him get crushed." or "I'd rather have rodgers anyways, but I still hate Brett." Hmm... sounds a little bitter to me (which is understandable, but don't deny it)/
Let's face it, a lot of people (especially Packer fans) get emotionally attached to their team and specific players. Brett Favre was "St. Brett" for years.
Brett has always been a diva, but when they were winning, it wasn't an issue, and that only fed the monster.
Brett would try to play until he is 90 if he didn't have to go through training camp and work out. He LOVES to play. Golf isn't going to satisfy the competitive juices. He's not the only guy to have problems with retiring. Did we already forget Michael Jordan? Barkley is a degenerate gambler because he's still looking for the competitive rush. It's not uncommon for these guys.
Why are people surprised? John Elway was a surprise. Favre is more par for the course.
Now, with all of this said, I don't think it excuses Brett for handling this stuff poorly (media circus, working out/not working out, etc. etc.)... however I don't think he deserves to be crucified like some people seem to think so.
Simple terms: Brett is a football player playing football. He went to a team with a GLARING need at QB.
Don't get tied into all of the hype and crap.
If Brett wins, you'll hear how he's a great guy. If Brett loses, people will say he's a poison in the locker room. The only truth we know is that he's a diva either way, but a winning diva is a good teammate, just like when he was in GB.
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True, to an extent.
If he just wanted to play football, the door was open in New York for a second year, and he was on a team with no replacement plan at QB (at the time of Favre's "retirement" at least) that only won one game less than Minnesota, with many losses coming directly as a result of his effort on the field. If it was still ONLY for the love of the game, he'd be a Jet. And I'd probably be cheering for him.
Don't get me wrong, he still wants to play football, and he still wants to win, but people would be fooling themselves if they think he didn't want to do it at the expense of Ted Thompson and (unfortunately, by association) every fan that ever supported him in green and gold.
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That's an honest answer, and I don't really blame you.
I've just heard a lot of Packer fans now saying "I'm not bitter anymore, but I want to see him get crushed." or "I'd rather have rodgers anyways, but I still hate Brett." Hmm... sounds a little bitter to me (which is understandable, but don't deny it)/
Let's face it, a lot of people (especially Packer fans) get emotionally attached to their team and specific players. Brett Favre was "St. Brett" for years.
Brett has always been a diva, but when they were winning, it wasn't an issue, and that only fed the monster.
Brett would try to play until he is 90 if he didn't have to go through training camp and work out. He LOVES to play. Golf isn't going to satisfy the competitive juices. He's not the only guy to have problems with retiring. Did we already forget Michael Jordan? Barkley is a degenerate gambler because he's still looking for the competitive rush. It's not uncommon for these guys.
Why are people surprised? John Elway was a surprise. Favre is more par for the course.
Now, with all of this said, I don't think it excuses Brett for handling this stuff poorly (media circus, working out/not working out, etc. etc.)... however I don't think he deserves to be crucified like some people seem to think so.
Simple terms: Brett is a football player playing football. He went to a team with a GLARING need at QB.
Don't get tied into all of the hype and crap.
If Brett wins, you'll hear how he's a great guy. If Brett loses, people will say he's a poison in the locker room. The only truth we know is that he's a diva either way, but a winning diva is a good teammate, just like when he was in GB.
Being bitter would be bringing up the massive amounts of blow/extra-marital affairs/booze consumption during the 90s that were all covered up under the guise of a vicodin addiction.
Wait, yes, I am pretty bitter for the same reasons as PXILibero2 laid out.
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Being bitter would be bringing up the massive amounts of blow/extra-marital affairs/booze consumption during the 90s that were all covered up under the guise of a vicodin addiction.
Wait, yes, I am pretty bitter for the same reasons as PXILibero2 laid out.
Yea, but 2 years ago when he was wearing a green jersey, no packer fan would have brought that up, which is hypocritical.
He was a saint as long as he was green, right?
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Yea, but 2 years ago when he was wearing a green jersey, no packer fan would have brought that up, which is hypocritical.
He was a saint as long as he was green, right?
I was making a joke, I don't wear blinders.
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I was making a joke, I don't wear blinders.
Got it.
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Yea, but 2 years ago when he was wearing a green jersey, no packer fan would have brought that up, which is hypocritical.
He was a saint as long as he was green, right?
Oh, it's entirely hypocritical. I dare say we're not the only ones guilty, though. I wasn't alive, but I'd be willing to bet a large sum of money that not many Bears fans bashed McMahon's boyish antics back in 1985.
Also, Favre DID clean himself up a lot post-1999, but to be fair it wouldn't have mattered either way. Packer fans wouldn't have said a word.
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Oh, it's entirely hypocritical. I dare say we're not the only ones guilty, though. I wasn't alive, but I'd be willing to bet a large sum of money that not many Bears fans bashed McMahon's boyish antics back in 1985.
Also, Favre DID clean himself up a lot post-1999, but to be fair it wouldn't have mattered either way. Packer fans wouldn't have said a word.
For sure, my comments aren't only pointed towards Packer fans. It's sports fans in general.
But, the sainthood of Brett and the adoration and admiration of Packer fans was greater than pretty much any player in pro sports.
But, understanding that helps understand why people are so upset with him now.
What I find shocking the the blind love of the guy when he wears green and gold and the blind hatred of the guy when he wears purple.
He just a human. He's not Jesus. He's not perfect.
In some ways I feel sorry for him. He didn't give people the storybook ending they wanted, and now they hate him for it. I mean, the guy played his ass off. He doesn't owe anybody anything.
Certainly he deserves some criticism for the media crap and the drama (he's a diva), but he wants to play ball. I don't think people should act like he's killing a family member.
Brett Favre will take more abuse in WI than Mike Vick, Plaxico Burress and Ray Lewis combined.
Here's only the beginning...
http://www.lacrossetribune.com/news/local/article_c36c3d24-8f9a-11de-b781-001cc4c03286.html
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That's pretty far off the deep end.
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What I find shocking the the blind love of the guy when he wears green and gold and the blind hatred of the guy when he wears purple.
Why do you find this shocking? Isn't this one of the most basic parts of fan behavior?
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Why do you find this shocking? Isn't this one of the most basic parts of fan behavior?
Exactly. Fan is a derivative of Fanatic which is defined as "a person motivated by irrational enthusiasm."
Being a fan is why I don't have to back up a statement like, "Anyone that wears purple likes balls." with facts.
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Why do you find this shocking? Isn't this one of the most basic parts of fan behavior?
Ummm...
I find painting a goat like Brett Favre and planning to "sacrifice it" shocking.
That isn't a basic part of fan behavior.
An yes, I'm picking an extreme case, but it perfectly illustrates my point. There is a section of Packer fans out there that are way off the deep end on this one, and I don't understand it.
Seriously, this could get ugly if/when Brett plays up in GB.
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Exactly. Fan is a derivative of Fanatic which is defined as "a person motivated by irrational enthusiasm."
Being a fan is why I don't have to back up a statement like, "Anyone that wears purple likes balls." with facts.
Amen.
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Exactly. Fan is a derivative of Fanatic which is defined as "a person motivated by irrational enthusiasm."
Being a fan is why I don't have to back up a statement like, "Anyone that wears purple likes balls." with facts.
Sure, I get that name calling is cool to Packer fans.
But being a fan doesn't back-up painting a goat (see other post) or any of the other insane crap that is inevitability going to happen because of the Brett Favre thing.
I can't threaten to kill a member of his family because I'm a "fanatic".
Where is the line for you guys? Maybe the fanatical line is just different for me.
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No, it's actually not difficult at all. Just look at the lines you quoted. Not a big math guy, I take it...
::) I'm a big numbers guy. The difference between +160, +140 and +200 is the closest 3 way race out of all the divisions. Being +140 doesn't make you a consensus favorite. Not a big gambler, I take it...
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::) I'm a big numbers guy. The difference between +160, +140 and +200 is the closest 3 way race out of all the divisions. Being +140 doesn't make you a consensus favorite. Not a big gambler, I take it...
I think THAT much is obvious...
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Sure, I get that name calling is cool to Packer all fans.
See...
Fudge Packers
Sincinnatti
Scrubs
99.99% of fans, I won't say all because you will probably say you don't call other teams names, call their arch rivals derogatory names. Look at any intense rivalry and at the center you will find blind loyalty/hatred. NYY/BOS, MICH/OSU, LAD/SFO, etc...
Note: I am not a Packer fan. In fact I hate the Packers, and their fans. But it is not your normal hatred. It is a hatred born almost out of mutual respect. If that makes any sense. But I would expect they feel the same about me.
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See...
Fudge Packers
Sincinnatti
Scrubs
99.99% of fans, I won't say all because you will probably say you don't call other teams names, call their arch rivals derogatory names. Look at any intense rivalry and at the center you will find blind loyalty/hatred. NYY/BOS, MICH/OSU, LAD/SFO, etc...
Yea, but aren't we always told that Packer fans are different and classier than the rest of the NFL? I mean, I agree with you about all rivalries, but Pack fans tend to promote themselves pretty hard. Shouldn't they hold themselves to higher standards?
My gut says that when Brett and his family go to GB, there will be some vandalism and/or threats made. I hope not. But, I can see it happening. People are crazy.
Unless Wilf flies the family in on a jet and gets them out of there with armed guards... but if that happens people will only use it as ammo to say that Brett and his family are conceited and think they are better than everybody else.
I think I'm answering my own questions here... Packer fans will never respect the Vikings as an organization, no matter how many titles they win, or what stadium they sell out, or who plays QB. GB fans will always look down their noses at the Vikes because GB was a dominant team from 1970-1990... errrr.... wait....
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Yea, but aren't we always told that Packer fans are different and classier than the rest of the NFL? I mean, I agree with you about all rivalries, but Pack fans tend to promote themselves pretty hard. Shouldn't they hold themselves to higher standards?
My gut says that when Brett and his family go to GB, there will be some vandalism and/or threats made. I hope not. But, I can see it happening. People are crazy.
Unless Wilf flies the family in on a jet and gets them out of there with armed guards... but if that happens people will only use it as ammo to say that Brett and his family are conceited and think they are better than everybody else.
I think I'm answering my own questions here... Packer fans will never respect the Vikings as an organization, no matter how many titles they win, or what stadium they sell out, or who plays QB. GB fans will always look down their noses at the Vikes because GB was a dominant team from 1970-1990... errrr.... wait....
When have they ever won?
/instantrimshot.com
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Why do you find this shocking? Isn't this one of the most basic parts of fan behavior?
All very true and that's why exposing the hypocrisy is equally fun. My Dodger friends have railed on the Barry Bonds for a decade and all of a sudden Manny comes to town.....talk about hypocrisy central. It's been fun to say the least.
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Yea, but aren't we always told that Packer fans are different and classier than the rest of the NFL? I mean, I agree with you about all rivalries, but Pack fans tend to promote themselves pretty hard. Shouldn't they hold themselves to higher standards?
My gut says that when Brett and his family go to GB, there will be some vandalism and/or threats made. I hope not. But, I can see it happening. People are crazy.
Unless Wilf flies the family in on a jet and gets them out of there with armed guards... but if that happens people will only use it as ammo to say that Brett and his family are conceited and think they are better than everybody else.
I think I'm answering my own questions here... Packer fans will never respect the Vikings as an organization, no matter how many titles they win, or what stadium they sell out, or who plays QB. GB fans will always look down their noses at the Vikes because GB was a dominant team from 1970-1990... errrr.... wait....
seriously, does every debate have to turn into some bull crap psychological discussion or hyperexamination of everything with you?
I find you to be the most pompous, aloof, moron on these boards.
LISA SIMPSON : THE PERSON WITH THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION THAT NO ONE ASKED.
you're welcome.
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99.99% of fans, I won't say all because you will probably say you don't call other teams names, call their arch rivals derogatory names. Look at any intense rivalry and at the center you will find blind loyalty/hatred. NYY/BOS, MICH/OSU, LAD/SFO, etc...
Note: I am not a Packer fan. In fact I hate the Packers, and their fans. But it is not your normal hatred. It is a hatred born almost out of mutual respect. If that makes any sense. But I would expect they feel the same about me.
Bears fan? Then yes, hatred born out of mutual respect is the perfect description of how I feel. If I were at a Bears game at Lambeau, I'd proudly chant "The Bears Still Suck" as loudly and often as I could, but I'd have no problem sharing a brat and a brew with MOST Bears fans I encounter.
On the other hand, the amount of Vikings fans that I get along with in the same manner is certainly a minority in their fan base. The stereotype could be described as in your face, arrogant, and a deep, deep inferiority complex. The Bears are second only to the Packers in titles, and that rivalry goes back a long, long ways with a lot of great memories and two very similarly built fan bases who weather the elements on a weekly basis at their respective venues.
@2002mualum - I guess it depends what you mean by "different and classier." I'd argue more passionate, for sure. Go to Green Bay on a game day if you haven't been, and you'll understand what I'm talking about. Maybe Pittsburgh and Kansas City are in the same league. Not many more. Chicago doesn't LIVE football. Neither does Minneapolis, Detroit, Atlanta, New Orleans or any of these other NFL cities. They have other stuff going on to distract them. Green Bay? What else is there to do but football?
As far as class? Sure, there's exceptions, but I don't EVER see the constant threats to opposing fans at Lambeau like you hear about at Philly and other places, ESPECIALLY with the older generations of fans that still hold most of the season tickets. But generally the population of Lambeau is there to cheer on the Packers, not to seek out an opposing fan and give them hell, at least not any more than playful banter. Heck, my dad and I bring up about 12 brats to every game we go, eat 4 of them, and give the rest to people passing by for free, Packer fans or not.
At the NFC Championship game two years ago, we had a half hour conversation while enjoying a burger with a few Giants fans who had flown in that morning. Both said they had never seen an opposing fan base be so courteous and accommodating to he and his son before the game, and he had been to Jets games at the Meadowlands, Dallas, Philly, and Washington.
I guess I have nothing else to tell you outside of personal experiences. Sure, I wear some pretty heavily tinted green and gold glasses, but there's a reason that anytime anyone (ESPN, Sports Illustrated, etc.) decide to do an NFL stadium review, Lambeau Field remains the class of the league.
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Bears fan? Then yes, hatred born out of mutual respect is the perfect description of how I feel. If I were at a Bears game at Lambeau, I'd proudly chant "The Bears Still Suck" as loudly and often as I could, but I'd have no problem sharing a brat and a brew with MOST Bears fans I encounter.
On the other hand, the amount of Vikings fans that I get along with in the same manner is certainly a minority in their fan base. The stereotype could be described as in your face, arrogant, and a deep, deep inferiority complex. The Bears are second only to the Packers in titles, and that rivalry goes back a long, long ways with a lot of great memories and two very similarly built fan bases who weather the elements on a weekly basis at their respective venues.
@2002mualum - I guess it depends what you mean by "different and classier." I'd argue more passionate, for sure. Go to Green Bay on a game day if you haven't been, and you'll understand what I'm talking about. Maybe Pittsburgh and Kansas City are in the same league. Not many more. Chicago doesn't LIVE football. Neither does Minneapolis, Detroit, Atlanta, New Orleans or any of these other NFL cities. They have other stuff going on to distract them. Green Bay? What else is there to do but football?
As far as class? Sure, there's exceptions, but I don't EVER see the constant threats to opposing fans at Lambeau like you hear about at Philly and other places, ESPECIALLY with the older generations of fans that still hold most of the season tickets. But generally the population of Lambeau is there to cheer on the Packers, not to seek out an opposing fan and give them hell, at least not any more than playful banter. Heck, my dad and I bring up about 12 brats to every game we go, eat 4 of them, and give the rest to people passing by for free, Packer fans or not.
At the NFC Championship game two years ago, we had a half hour conversation while enjoying a burger with a few Giants fans who had flown in that morning. Both said they had never seen an opposing fan base be so courteous and accommodating to he and his son before the game, and he had been to Jets games at the Meadowlands, Dallas, Philly, and Washington.
I guess I have nothing else to tell you outside of personal experiences. Sure, I wear some pretty heavily tinted green and gold glasses, but there's a reason that anytime anyone (ESPN, Sports Illustrated, etc.) decide to do an NFL stadium review, Lambeau Field remains the class of the league.
That's fair.
I've been to GB, I've seen the experience. It's impressive.
The only thing I can say is that GB fans tend to hold themselves in high esteem, which I can understand (old school franchise, unique stadium experience, loyal fans, etc.). For the most part, the fans are great.
However, it's this same glorious fan base that has always talked a massive amount of trash about the Vikings, yelled at obscenities at my brother in the parking lot in front of his 7 year old kid, and is going to BBQ Brett Favre when he comes to town (I'm predicting right now that the Favre thing will get ugly... like national news ugly).
Are there meatheads in every crowd? Yep. But, when I use the same excuse for the Vikings, Packer fans just laugh and tell me that the Vikings fans are trash. I think the fan bases are closer than anybody wants to admit, and that's why I get frustrated when Packer fans want to look down on the purple. Trust me, people get drunk and stupid everywhere, and that includes GB.
Oh, and for Hards Alumni, you're right. I've been over-thinking my posts lately, so here we go:
The Vikings are going to win the division because they are simply better than both the packers and the bears. It's true. Trust me.
Of course, I don't expect anybody to know that around here because they are either:
A. Stupid hillbilly fans of a franchise that uses foam cheese as a secondary logo, are proud to look like a**holes on television (wearing said cheese), and actually listen to Mark Chumura (alleged sex offender) on the radio.
or
B. Fans of a 2nd rate team in Chicago that ruined it's own stadium by landing a space shuttle in it, and worship a dumbass coach who f*cked Sweetness out of a touchdown in the superbowl.
Out.
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A. Stupid hillbilly fans of a franchise that use horns and wings as a primary logo, not true...http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2189/did-vikings-really-wear-horns-on-their-helmet proud to look like a**holes on television (wearing said horns), and actually worship wife cheating Denny Green as a great coach.
B. Fans of the 2nd best team, championship wise, in the history of the NFL. That saved its own stadium by doing anything possible to keep the stadium it had and not move to the suburbs. It is 100x better than the dump you call a stadium that you can't even sell out for a playoff game. We love...not worship a coach who won 3 Super bowl rings and knew his players did not care about individual stats as long as they won the championship. Something you will never know in your lifetime.
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B. Fans of the 2nd best team, championship wise, in the history of the NFL. That saved its own stadium by doing anything possible to keep the stadium it had and not move to the suburbs. It is 100x better than the dump you call a stadium that you can't even sell out for a playoff game. We love...not worship a coach who won 3 Super bowl rings and knew his players did not care about individual stats as long as they won the championship. Something you will never know in your lifetime.
Bizarre you use 'SaintPaul' as your name. 'Keep the stadium'? like Green Bay did... when I got to Marquette, I recall them playing in Milwaukee a few times a year. They kept one of their stadiums. Nice!
Packers fans are far more weird and obsessed than most fans. It's a simple fact. I may go to a Brewers game rocking a Purple Favre jersey just to drum up some lawsuits. Easy money, but the stadium might flood with tears.
Unfortunately I couldn't ever bring myself to wear a Favre jersey. The disgusting display of green #4 jerseys every Friday during my years at Marquette... much too difficult to forget. Yet, I will cheer for our guy, the guy that wanted to be in Minnesota always... the guy whose addition to our squad clearly makes us a better team, despite what some nimwits on here claim. But, I'm not wearing a #4 jersey.
As made evident by some of the people on this message board, though, any purple jersey could easily evoke great sadness/madness/more-than-usual craziness from Green Bay/Milwaukee some of the time until the mid 90s fans.
Keep the bets coming in people... the CONSENSUS pick for the NFC North championship is going to make me more money.
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Bizarre you use 'SaintPaul' as your name.
How is it bizarre....it is where I live. Wow.
This is what a consensus favorite looks like......
Buffalo Bills +800
Miami Dolphins +900
New England Patriots -600
New York Jets +800
Denver Broncos +1000
Kansas City Chiefs +1000
Oakland Raiders +800
San Diego Chargers -800
You have no idea what consensus means.
I lose faith in the knowledge of Minnesota fans every day if not every hour. (Except for hockey of course.)
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Bizarre you use 'SaintPaul' as your name. 'Keep the stadium'? like Green Bay did... when I got to Marquette, I recall them playing in Milwaukee a few times a year. They kept one of their stadiums. Nice!
Packers fans are far more weird and obsessed than most fans. It's a simple fact. I may go to a Brewers game rocking a Purple Favre jersey just to drum up some lawsuits. Easy money, but the stadium might flood with tears.
Unfortunately I couldn't ever bring myself to wear a Favre jersey. The disgusting display of green #4 jerseys every Friday during my years at Marquette... much too difficult to forget. Yet, I will cheer for our guy, the guy that wanted to be in Minnesota always... the guy whose addition to our squad clearly makes us a better team, despite what some nimwits on here claim. But, I'm not wearing a #4 jersey.
As made evident by some of the people on this message board, though, any purple jersey could easily evoke great sadness/madness/more-than-usual craziness from Green Bay/Milwaukee some of the time until the mid 90s fans.
Keep the bets coming in people... the CONSENSUS pick for the NFC North championship is going to make me more money.
Please, enlighten me on what it is about Favre that automatically elevates you to Super Bowl status? It's quite simple, at this point in Favre's career. If he puts in the work (A LOT of work) then he has a chance to fend off the downfalls of old age in the NFL. He did in '07, and the results were obvious. Not only did he not put in THAT level of work this off season, but he put in less work than he has any off season... ever. At age 39. Consider that.
Face it, the guy didn't want to come to Minnesota post-07 because they were THAT good. He had a 13-3 team, and he chose to retire. He's in Minnesota because he calls the shots, and he pushes everyone else around. If they're willing to let him do a Roger Clemens, then so be it. Just let it be known that pulling a Clemens (showing up on Sundays, and playing football) has never worked in the NFL. Furthermore, 40 year old QBs don't work in the NFL, either. Mr. Favre is stacking the deck against himself this year.
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hilarious...
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Please, enlighten me on what it is about Favre that automatically elevates you to Super Bowl status?
Huh? When have I ever said this? To be clear there are a couple of things that I know to be real: (1) Adding Favre improved our chances this year - many on here disagree and I find that absolutely ridiculous. (2) The money is on us to win the division.
We've been worthy of a mention when it comes to this year's Super Bowl and continue to be, before and after the guy that always has wanted to be a Viking.
@SaintPaul - most people don't choose to be called by the city they live in, and certainly there are few who dislike the sports teams from where they live and get on a site that exists primarily to talk sports, and use that city as their name. It's flat out bizarre. You're not from God's Country originally, are you? Just a confused guy, it seems.
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Just a confused guy, it seems.
Yes you are.
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Yes you are.
Thank goodness for the NFL.
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Huh? When have I ever said this? To be clear there are a couple of things that I know to be real: (1) Adding Favre improved our chances this year - many on here disagree and I find that absolutely ridiculous. (2) The money is on us to win the division.
We've been worthy of a mention when it comes to this year's Super Bowl and continue to be, before and after the guy that always has wanted to be a Viking.
@SaintPaul - most people don't choose to be called by the city they live in, and certainly there are few who dislike the sports teams from where they live and get on a site that exists primarily to talk sports, and use that city as their name. It's flat out bizarre. You're not from God's Country originally, are you? Just a confused guy, it seems.
Well, let's see... you were division champs and made a playoff appearance a year ago, and acquiring Favre has "made you better" (in your words). So what's your goal then? An NFC Divisional Playoff game appearance? NFC Championship? No, I think not. Excuse me for putting two and two together.
Now, let's get to the meat of this discussion. What has you so keen on the fact that Favre will improve your team this year? Is it his 81.0 QB rating last year? Or the fact that he led the NFL in turnovers for a QB (22 picks, 2 fumbles lost of 10 total fumbles)? Or maybe that he didn't participate in a single off season activity? How about the fact that he is, just now on August 25th with less than three weeks until the beginning of the regular season, BEGINNING to build relationships with the receivers he'll be throwing the ball to? Or the fact that he turns 40 in October, has a surgically repaired biceps and a bum shoulder? Favre's play after Thanksgiving since 2005? Or the fact that the locker room is now split between Favre and Jackson?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/24/locker-room-whispers-still-point-to-tarvaris/
Which of those things is it that has you so confident? Any of them? All of them? Really, I'm excited to hear.
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A. Stupid hillbilly fans of a franchise that use horns and wings as a primary logo, not true...http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2189/did-vikings-really-wear-horns-on-their-helmet proud to look like a**holes on television (wearing said horns), and actually worship wife cheating Denny Green as a great coach.
B. Fans of the 2nd best team, championship wise, in the history of the NFL. That saved its own stadium by doing anything possible to keep the stadium it had and not move to the suburbs. It is 100x better than the dump you call a stadium that you can't even sell out for a playoff game. We love...not worship a coach who won 3 Super bowl rings and knew his players did not care about individual stats as long as they won the championship. Something you will never know in your lifetime.
Burn on me.
I was just teasing with my comments because normally I don't get into these types of conversations. For the record, "B" is the Chicago Bears, and the "coach" is Ditka. I don't think he won 3 super bowl rings.
As far as stupid Vikes fans... there are plenty of them. I fully admit that.
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and the "coach" is Ditka. I don't think he won 3 super bowl rings.
One ring as a player, asst. coach and head coach.
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One ring as a player, asst. coach and head coach.
I stand corrected. I thought he had won an NFL championship as a player, not a superbowl.
Either way, the Bears and Packers suck. ;)
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I can't believe all of you are so naive to think the Lions don't have a chance this year.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz7P0yJErOw&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fsportsillustrated%2Ecnn%2Ecom%2F2009%2Fextramustard%2Fhotclicks%2F08%2F24%2Fpanthers%2Dcheerleader%2Ddeangelo%2Dwilliams%2Dimitates%2Dbarry%2Dsanders&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz7P0yJErOw&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fsportsillustrated%2Ecnn%2Ecom%2F2009%2Fextramustard%2Fhotclicks%2F08%2F24%2Fpanthers%2Dcheerleader%2Ddeangelo%2Dwilliams%2Dimitates%2Dbarry%2Dsanders&feature=player_embedded)
Hilarious Favre Sears commercial.
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I am so sick of Favre I want to puke.
But that commercial made me laugh.
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I am so sick of Favre I want to puke.
But that commercial made me laugh.
That commercial is great.
The outtake are great, too.
Spoiler...
"This stays green by the way...is that ok?"
"Well, I used to like Green."
"What about Purple?"
"Tempting...."
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http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_13231672
A brett favre article from the St. Paul paper.
ESPN has an article about a "schism", and the local paper makes everything seem ok.
Like most things, the truth probably lies in the middle.
If he plays well, you'll see more articles like this. If he plays poorly, you'll see articles about how he's a disruption.
I know one thing for sure, Brett has a pretty healthy ego and he's just going to do whatever he wants. His production on the field will dictate how he is revived by teammates.