The 2 coaches that would get MU to next level

[Aircraftcarrier]

One would never leave the NBA and that is Doc Rivers and the other one the University would never hire is Rick Pitino.How satisfied is the President and AD along with the board of trustees in where the Mens basketball program is?That is the question.Do they want to win at a high level or be competitive and have a very clean program?

[Pakuni]

They'd rather be competitive with a clean program than associated with Rick Pitino.
So would I, tbh.

[SERocks]

I don't really get how many threads we need that are basically the same topic.  MU seems perfectly happy with what we have now.  I don't see this changing anytime soon and people that are much more in the know that I am (very outside) post the same thing.  What you see now is what you get for MU basketball until Wojo decides to leave is my bet.

[NickelDimer]

I really wanted Wojo fired after the epic collapse last year and I really wanted us to pursue Nate Oats. Oh well.

[Dawson Rental]

One would never leave the NBA and that is Doc Rivers and the other one the University would never hire is Rick Pitino.How satisfied is the President and AD along with the board of trustees in where the Mens basketball program is?That is the question.Do they want to win at a high level or be competitive and have a very clean program?

Everyone knows what the BOT wants.  Are you saying that you want a program that cheats?  that seems to be your implication.

[Pakuni]

I really wanted Wojo fires after the epic collapse last year and I really wanted us to pursue Nate Oates. Oh well.

Nate's not exactly killing it at Alabama. 8-7 overall, 1-2 in conference (where they're giving up 90 ppg). And it's not like he has nothing to work with ... two of the top three scorers from last year returned - and four of the top seven - and he inherited two RSCI top 100 freshman from Avery Johnson's recruiting class (actually three, but one is injured).
His 2020 recruiting class currently ranks 83rd in the nation and 12th in the SEC. Pretty sure that wouldn't be acceptable around here.

None of this is to say Oats is a bad coach (he's not), but nothing he's done at Bama says Marquette missed the boat on him.

[NickelDimer]

Nate's not exactly killing it at Alabama. 8-7 overall, 1-2 in conference (where they're giving up 90 ppg). And it's not like he had nothing to work with ... two of the top three scorers from last year returned - and four of the top seven - and he inherited two RSCI top 100 freshman from Avery Johnson (actually three, but one is injured).
His 2020 recruiting class currently ranks 83rd in the nation and 12th in the SEC. Pretty sure that wouldn't be acceptable around here.

None of this is to say Oats is a bad coach (he's not), but nothing he's done at Bama says Marquette missed the boat on him.

Yep. Time will tell.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Nate's not exactly killing it at Alabama. 8-7 overall, 1-2 in conference (where they're giving up 90 ppg). And it's not like he has nothing to work with ... two of the top three scorers from last year returned - and four of the top seven - and he inherited two RSCI top 100 freshman from Avery Johnson's recruiting class (actually three, but one is injured).
His 2020 recruiting class currently ranks 83rd in the nation and 12th in the SEC. Pretty sure that wouldn't be acceptable around here.

None of this is to say Oats is a bad coach (he's not), but nothing he's done at Bama says Marquette missed the boat on him.

Fairly disingenuous.

Preseason Alabama kenpom rank (so how they should do "on paper"): 70
Current Alabama kenpom rank: 53

Preseason MU kenpom rank (how we should do "on paper"): 18
Current MU kenpom rank: 39

Oats would have been a great MU hire. Played his college ball in WI, plays Buzz style ball, energetic guy that would recruit well with our history & resources and get fans engaged.

[brewcity77]

Oats would have been a great MU hire. Played his college ball in WI, plays Buzz style ball, energetic guy that would recruit well with our history & resources and get fans engaged.

Would've been a great hire when? In 2014 when he was a first year assistant at Buffalo coming off a 10-year stint as a high school coach?

I like Oats, but at no point of his life was he a viable name for an open Marquette job, nor should he have been.

[Pakuni]

Fairly disingenuous.

Preseason Alabama kenpom rank (so how they should do "on paper"): 70
Current Alabama kenpom rank: 53

Preseason MU kenpom rank (how we should do "on paper"): 18
Current MU kenpom rank: 39

Oats would have been a great MU hire. Played his college ball in WI, plays Buzz style ball, energetic guy that would recruit well with our history & resources and get fans engaged.

Nothing I said was wrong or disingenuous.
And why not comment on that 83rd ranked recruiting class?

[WarriorPride68]

One would never leave the NBA and that is Doc Rivers and the other one the University would never hire is Rick Pitino.How satisfied is the President and AD along with the board of trustees in where the Mens basketball program is?That is the question.Do they want to win at a high level or be competitive and have a very clean program?

How about we just hire his perennially underachieving son as an we owe you one to Minnesota?

[vogue65]

One would never leave the NBA and that is Doc Rivers and the other one the University would never hire is Rick Pitino.How satisfied is the President and AD along with the board of trustees in where the Mens basketball program is?That is the question.Do they want to win at a high level or be competitive and have a very clean program?

They want to be Princeton or Northwestern.  They did not like the feel of big time sports.   They liked recruiting in the Wisconsin boondocks, it made for goood press.  Image isn't everything, it's the only thing.

[Silent Verbal]

Rick Pitino, at 67, is getting a little long in the tooth.  It’d be fun to see him take a job at a mid major and turn them around, but between his age and the scandals, his days of coaching high major ball are over.

[MU82]

Would've been a great hire when? In 2014 when he was a first year assistant at Buffalo coming off a 10-year stint as a high school coach?

I like Oats, but at no point of his life was he a viable name for an open Marquette job, nor should he have been.

This. Lotsa revisionist history in ScoopLand.

Oats was no more of a realistic hire when we actually had a viable opening than Beard was. Scoop would have been collectively outraged had either been hired for the position in 2014.

We heard of 4 viable candidates in 2014, and there is no evidence to support any contention that any of the other 3 would have done any better at MU than Wojo has. Also no reason to believe that any would have done worse. One rejected the job because his wife didn't like Milwaukee, and he has vastly underperformed all expectations where he ended up; the other two were desperate retreads who have done no better elsewhere.

The biggest surprise about this thread's OP is that he seems to think only 2 guys would be superior to Wojo as MU coach.

I can think of a bunch who almost surely would be better; whether any of them would be available is another story. There also are a bunch who would be worse, or who would be question marks; a lot more of them would be available.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

They want to be Princeton or Northwestern.  They did not like the feel of big time sports.   They liked recruiting in the Wisconsin boondocks, it made for goood press.  Image isn't everything, it's the only thing.

Yeah none of this is really true.

[The Lens]

John Beilein might be available.   He's coached at two Jesuit Universities already.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Would've been a great hire when? In 2014 when he was a first year assistant at Buffalo coming off a 10-year stint as a high school coach?

I like Oats, but at no point of his life was he a viable name for an open Marquette job, nor should he have been.

Last year, when there was Wojo to UNLV/VA Tech rumors.

2018 UB preseason Kenpom rank: 151
2018 end of year Kenpom rank: 62

2019 UB preseason Kenpom rank: 72
2019 UB end of year Kenpom rank: 19

He's an overachiever, and he plays a style I like. With MU type resources and several years of head coaching experience under his belt, he would have been a home run hire here last year. I believe Alabama got a good one.

[Silkk the Shaka]

This. Lotsa revisionist history in ScoopLand.

Oats was no more of a realistic hire when we actually had a viable opening than Beard was. Scoop would have been collectively outraged had either been hired for the position in 2014.

We heard of 4 viable candidates in 2014, and there is no evidence to support any contention that any of the other 3 would have done any better at MU than Wojo has. Also no reason to believe that any would have done worse. One rejected the job because his wife didn't like Milwaukee, and he has vastly underperformed all expectations where he ended up; the other two were desperate retreads who have done no better elsewhere.

The biggest surprise about this thread's OP is that he seems to think only 2 guys would be superior to Wojo as MU coach.

I can think of a bunch who almost surely would be better; whether any of them would be available is another story. There also are a bunch who would be worse, or who would be question marks; a lot more of them would be available.

I was not talking about 2014.

[brewcity77]

Last year, when there was Wojo to UNLV/VA Tech rumors.

2018 UB preseason Kenpom rank: 151
2018 end of year Kenpom rank: 62

2019 UB preseason Kenpom rank: 72
2019 UB end of year Kenpom rank: 19

He's an overachiever, and he plays a style I like. With MU type resources and several years of head coaching experience under his belt, he would have been a home run hire here last year. I believe Alabama got a good one.

So when we didn't have an open job. Nothing against Oats, but it's fairly disingenuous to say he would've been a great hire for an opening that didn't exist.

[NickelDimer]

So when we didn't have an open job. Nothing against Oats, but it's fairly disingenuous to say he would've been a great hire for an opening that didn't exist.

Well obviously this is a hypothetical although a strong case could be made MU should’ve had a job opening. Between an historically epic collapse and total dysfunction behind the scenes, a Wojo dismissal was justified.

[tower912]

Available coaches that might be tolerable to MU BOT as well as scoopers...    damn, that is a small subset.   

[Silkk the Shaka]

So when we didn't have an open job. Nothing against Oats, but it's fairly disingenuous to say he would've been a great hire for an opening that didn't exist.

Correct, I meant last year in a hypothetical scenario. I am not anti-Wojo. I would classify myself as a so-so/Basic Pr hybrid. I hope he succeeds. I just thought Oats would have been a great fit when there was discussion of Wojo potentially leaving for another opening last year and if we need to hire in the next few years (for whatever reason), I hope there is extreme mutual interest between us & him.

[tower912]

If Wojo were to leave for more lucrative pastures (he isn't getting fired this year), I am curious as to the health status of the former Buckeye head coach.   I would love to see the different variations of 'free throws no Matta' if the ft shooting percentage fluctuated.   

[Cheeks]

I really wanted Wojo fires after the epic collapse last year and I really wanted us to pursue Nate Oates. Oh well.

We should do a poll on that....

[NickelDimer]

We should do a poll on that....

I’m glad you quoted this so I could see all my typos. Brutal.

[Cheeks]

One would never leave the NBA and that is Doc Rivers and the other one the University would never hire is Rick Pitino.How satisfied is the President and AD along with the board of trustees in where the Mens basketball program is?That is the question.Do they want to win at a high level or be competitive and have a very clean program?

It blows my mind what you are really saying.   What you are really saying is to win, you have to not have a clean program.   What low standards some people have.  I absolutely reject the notion.

There are plenty of programs that win without the crap that goes along with not having a clean program.  Shouldn't your question be ....run a clean program AND be high level competitive?  Of course it should, and can be done because it is being done elsewhere.

[brewcity77]

Correct, I meant last year in a hypothetical scenario. I am not anti-Wojo. I would classify myself as a so-so/Basic Pr hybrid. I hope he succeeds. I just thought Oats would have been a great fit when there was discussion of Wojo potentially leaving for another opening last year and if we need to hire in the next few years (for whatever reason), I hope there is extreme mutual interest between us & him.

He certainly would have been on the list. One of the sensible up and comers, along the lines of TJO.

[PBRme]

I'd promote Stan

[tower912]

Another unproven assistant?  Who's resume isn't as strong as Wojo's was 6 years ago?   Elaborate, please. 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I'd promote Stan

Why?

[MU82]

I was not talking about 2014.

Correct, I meant last year in a hypothetical scenario. I am not anti-Wojo. I would classify myself as a so-so/Basic Pr hybrid. I hope he succeeds. I just thought Oats would have been a great fit when there was discussion of Wojo potentially leaving for another opening last year and if we need to hire in the next few years (for whatever reason), I hope there is extreme mutual interest between us & him.

Ah. I understand. We mostly agree, EFR, as usual.

[Bocephys]

If Wojo were to leave for more lucrative pastures (he isn't getting fired this year), I am curious as to the health status of the former Buckeye head coach.   I would love to see the different variations of 'free throws no Matta' if the ft shooting percentage fluctuated.

Wiping floors no Matta?

[Cheeks]

If Wojo were to leave for more lucrative pastures (he isn't getting fired this year), I am curious as to the health status of the former Buckeye head coach.   I would love to see the different variations of 'free throws no Matta' if the ft shooting percentage fluctuated.

Matta's last four years would have MU fans here crying it isn't enough.  First round loss.  Second round loss. NIT.  No tournament of any kind.

[Billy Hoyle]

I'd promote Stan

I don't get the blind love for Stan. If he was so great why isn't he a head coach already? Classic back-up quarterback thinking here.

He's less accomplished as an assistant than Wojo was when he was hired.

[tower912]

Matta's last four years would have MU fans here crying it isn't enough.  First round loss.  Second round loss. NIT.  No tournament of any kind.

We agree that Wojo is not likely to get fired and on the reasons for that.    If he leaves, however, he is going to have to be replaced.    A case can be made that OSU's downward spiral paralleled Matta's health issues.    If he is healthy and recharged, MU could do a lot worse.   

[CTWarrior]

Matta's last four years would have MU fans here crying it isn't enough.  First round loss.  Second round loss. NIT.  No tournament of any kind.

That beats any four year stretch of Wojo's.

[NickelDimer]

Here’s the case I can see for Stan; he’d be able to keep our team and incoming recruits in tact (presumably), and he brings the added benefit of maybe being able to coach a team up (this appeals to those who’ve concluded Wojo cannot).

[Cheeks]

We agree that Wojo is not likely to get fired and on the reasons for that.    If he leaves, however, he is going to have to be replaced.    A case can be made that OSU's downward spiral paralleled Matta's health issues.    If he is healthy and recharged, MU could do a lot worse.

I suspect a lot of other programs have kicked those tires on him and he hasn't jumped back in for whatever reasons.

[Cheeks]

Here’s the case I can see for Stan; he’d be able to keep our team and incoming recruits in tact (presumably), and he brings the added benefit of maybe being able to coach a team up (this appeals to those who’ve concluded Wojo cannot).

In summary, another roll of the dice.  He's part of the same staff today that scouts teams, coaches players that many of you think aren't getting the job done, recruits players (that many of you think are not high major).  Just a reminder.

[shoothoops]

Just for fun, .....the first year in a new place coach off to a solid start is Eric Musselman at Arkansas.  He’s winning some ball games, and locking down some pretty good top 100 recruits including two in state players for the future.

He made 3 of 4 NCAA’s at Nevada including a Sweet 16.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Ah. I understand. We mostly agree, EFR, as usual.

Agreed on mostly agreeing as per usual!

[Cheeks]

That beats any four year stretch of Wojo's.

Except that he regressed and got worse, Wojo has gotten better. 

He also went from 5th, to 6th, to 7th, to 10th.  Wojo has gone the other direction on standings, too.

So I'll disagree on your point.  I can just imagine coming off an Elite 8 and a Final four to follow-up with 1st round loss, 2nd round loss, NIT 2nd round, no tournament.....MU Scoop would be ecstatic.   I'd also point out that Matta has been head coaching 17 years...Wojo is on 5.5.

[muguru]

Just for fun, .....the first year in a new place coach off to a solid start is Eric Musselman at Arkansas.  He’s winning some ball games, and locking down some pretty good top 100 recruits including two in state players for the future.

He made 3 of 4 NCAA’s at Nevada including a Sweet 16.

Shhhhhh...don't spew these facts to loud, Chicos will call you on them, or spin them somehow. We get told repeatedly how rebuilds take time and that all the recruits leave etc. Even though it has been proven time and time again that is complete and total bullcrap. This is one very good example of it, and Nate Oates is another, where recruits didn't leave, and not only that after basically their entire core had entered the transfer portal, he managed to keep damn near all of them. Imagine that! Maybe, just maybe it depends on the Coach that is brought in?? Nah, can't be.

[Cheeks]

Shhhhhh...don't spew these facts to loud, Chicos will call you on them, or spin them somehow. We get told repeatedly how rebuilds take time and that all the recruits leave etc. Even though it has been proven time and time again that is complete and total bullcrap. This is one very good example of it, and Nate Oates is another, where recruits didn't leave, and not only that after basically their entire core had entered the transfer portal, he managed to keep damn near all of them. Imagine that! Maybe, just maybe it depends on the Coach that is brought in?? Nah, can't be.

LOL.  Each new coaching situation is different Guru, please tell me you acknowledge this fact.  Buzz walked into a situation with Wesley Matthews, Dominic James, Jerel McNeal all seniors.  Is that the same situation other coaches walk into, let alone Wojo? 

Musselman took over an Arkansas NIT team from last year....Wojo took over a team that couldn't even make the NIT.  Last year's Arkansas team described as "EXTREMELY YOUNG".  ~70% of their minutes came back this year, including two guys that averaged 14 points per game.  Their point guard...a returning senior. 

Arkansas finished 54th last year in Ken Pom. 

Nah, can't be. 

Please....get real.

[brewcity77]

I find it peculiar that so many want to boot Wojo and start over, yet see the answer of promoting Stan, which would be the opposite of starting over, as preferable. Do you want a new direction or not?

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I find it peculiar that so many want to boot Wojo and start over, yet see the answer of promoting Stan, which would be the opposite of starting over, as preferable. Do you want a new direction or not?

I agree, but it is the default 'have your cake and eat it too' position.  Then again keeping Stan on staff with a new coach would achieve the same.  I'm just not sure we have that kind of relationship with him.

[🏀]

Just for fun, .....the first year in a new place coach off to a solid start is Eric Musselman at Arkansas.  He’s winning some ball games, and locking down some pretty good top 100 recruits including two in state players for the future.

He made 3 of 4 NCAA’s at Nevada including a Sweet 16.

Musselman would be a fantastic hire.

[Eldon]

I don't get the blind love for Stan. If he was so great why isn't he a head coach already? Classic back-up quarterback thinking here.

He's less accomplished as an assistant than Wojo was when he was hired.

What if someone were, say, an assistant coach for 15 years?

[MU82]

Musselman would be a fantastic hire.

Unless a ton of money is thrown at him, why would a coach leave Arkansas to go to a Big East school?

[Eldon]

I'd promote Stan

+1

Here’s the case I can see for Stan; he’d be able to keep our team and incoming recruits in tact (presumably), and he brings the added benefit of maybe being able to coach a team up (this appeals to those who’ve concluded Wojo cannot).

This.  The players seem like they would run through a wall for him.   

Keep in mind that Stan isn't merely an assistant coach, he's associate head coach.  Wojo leaves, promote Stan to full head coach.  If he can show that he can keep the class in place, he gets two years to see what he can do. 

Then what happens?  Dick Strong comes back.  Money flows in.  The Wisconsin recruiting bridges that Wojo set on fire (e.g., Wally, Hausers, SwaggyDu) suddenly dissipate.  Chicagoland recruiting opens up because Stan is not chummy with Collins.  Sweet sixteens are won.  I can see it now. 


(To play my own devil's advocate, maybe the players gravitate toward Stan because Wojo is so demotivating, i.e., there's a good cop/bad cop thing going on.)

[jesmu84]

+1

This.  The players seem like they would run through a wall for him.   

Keep in mind that Stan isn't merely an assistant coach, he's associate head coach.  Wojo leaves, promote Stan to full head coach.  If he can show that he can keep the class in place, he gets two years to see what he can do. 

Then what happens?  Dick Strong comes back.  Money flows in. The Wisconsin recruiting bridges that Wojo set on fire (e.g., Wally, Hausers, SwaggyDu) suddenly dissipate.  Chicagoland recruiting opens up because Stan is not chummy with Collins.  Sweet sixteens are won.  I can see it now. 


(To play my own devil's advocate, maybe the players gravitate toward Stan because Wojo is so demotivating, i.e., there's a good cop/bad cop thing going on.)

Why would strong come back if Stan was promoted? Just because Wojo is gone and he didn't want wojo?

Is there a current money problem within the program?

[RushmoreAcademy]

Slick Rick Pitino!?!?! Was that really the suggestion???

[Marcus92]

What about the previous suggestion of Hologram Al?

We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better than he was. Better. Stronger. Smarter.

This initiative should be the sole focus of the colleges of engineering and sports medicine.

[Billy Hoyle]

What if someone were, say, an assistant coach for 15 years?

You got me. Drew Bledsoe did it up as head coach of the Summit High School football team. Go Storm.

[Cheeks]

+1

This.  The players seem like they would run through a wall for him.   

Keep in mind that Stan isn't merely an assistant coach, he's associate head coach.  Wojo leaves, promote Stan to full head coach.  If he can show that he can keep the class in place, he gets two years to see what he can do. 

Then what happens?  Dick Strong comes back.  Money flows in.  The Wisconsin recruiting bridges that Wojo set on fire (e.g., Wally, Hausers, SwaggyDu) suddenly dissipate.  Chicagoland recruiting opens up because Stan is not chummy with Collins.  Sweet sixteens are won.  I can see it now. 


(To play my own devil's advocate, maybe the players gravitate toward Stan because Wojo is so demotivating, i.e., there's a good cop/bad cop thing going on.)

So now saving the class matters?  Wish some of you all would make up your minds.

Are you seriously saying Wojo is not recruiting Chicago because of Collins?  Are you seriously saying this? 

[Marcus92]

This morning, new Marquette head coach Holo Al McGuire began working with the team at the practice center named in his honor. Before the end of the first drill, impatient fans called for him to be fired.

[WhiteTrash]

Unless a ton of money is thrown at him, why would a coach leave Arkansas to go to a Big East school?

Better conference.
A school that basketball is #1, not a distant second to football in the fans eyes.

Granted, I don't think a coach would take less money to come to the Big East, but I don't think a BE coach would take less money to go to Arkansas.

[MU82]

Better conference.
A school that basketball is #1, not a distant second to football in the fans eyes.

Granted, I don't think a coach would take less money to come to the Big East, but I don't think a BE coach would take less money to go to Arkansas.

Maybe. Our history suggests otherwise, but maybe things have changed enough.

Arkansas won 2 NCAA titles a lot more recently than we won 1, but both were a bazillion years ago.

[Marcus92]

As a private Jesuit institution, Marquette isn't for everyone. Head coaches included. MU takes its mission -- promoting knowledge, faith, leadership and service -- seriously. The basketball program is no exception. "Win Every Day" goes far beyond the court, reinforcing the guiding values of the university. It's a very different environment from the big public schools, one with a unique focus.

[Pakuni]

Maybe. Our history suggests otherwise, but maybe things have changed enough.

Arkansas won 2 NCAA titles a lot more recently than we won 1, but both were a bazillion years ago.

Marquette couldn't steal a coach from Xavier or Washington State in 2008, or VCU in 2014, but now we're going to pull one from a historically solid SEC program.

[Its DJOver]

Am I the only one that would be concerned that Musselman hasn't spent more than 4 years at one job since the mid 1990s?  A lot of people are complaining about the lack of sustained success, and IMO hiring a career journeyman is not the best way to achieve that.

[MU82]

Am I the only one that would be concerned that Musselman hasn't spent more than 4 years at one job since the mid 1990s?  A lot of people are complaining about the lack of sustained success, and IMO hiring a career journeyman is not the best way to achieve that.

His dad was the same way.

Hyper-Intense guys who obviously know how to coach basketball, and they can make a quick impression. But either their players start tuning them out or they burn out, or both.

[Marcus92]

Am I the only one that would be concerned that Musselman hasn't spent more than 4 years at one job since the mid 1990s?  A lot of people are complaining about the lack of sustained success, and IMO hiring a career journeyman is not the best way to achieve that.

Sounds a lot like Larry Brown. Over the course of 40+ years, he coached 13 different college, ABA and NBA teams.

[Warrior Code]

Maybe. Our history suggests otherwise, but maybe things have changed enough.

Arkansas won 2 NCAA titles a lot more recently than we won 1, but both were a bazillion years ago.

Arkansas only has the one title, and one runner-up. Both were accomplished more recently than ours, of course.

[WhiteTrash]

Maybe. Our history suggests otherwise, but maybe things have changed enough.

Arkansas won 2 NCAA titles a lot more recently than we won 1, but both were a bazillion years ago.

The comment I responded to was about a coach leaving Arkansas for the Big East, not MU specifically.

Look, I'm not saying it is likely an Arkansas coach would go to a Big East program just like I don't find it likely that a Big East coach would take the Arkansas job.

[Billy Hoyle]

+1

This.  The players seem like they would run through a wall for him.   

Keep in mind that Stan isn't merely an assistant coach, he's associate head coach.  Wojo leaves, promote Stan to full head coach.  If he can show that he can keep the class in place, he gets two years to see what he can do. 

Then what happens?  Dick Strong comes back.  Money flows in.  The Wisconsin recruiting bridges that Wojo set on fire (e.g., Wally, Hausers, SwaggyDu) suddenly dissipate.  Chicagoland recruiting opens up because Stan is not chummy with Collins.  Sweet sixteens are won.  I can see it now. 


(To play my own devil's advocate, maybe the players gravitate toward Stan because Wojo is so demotivating, i.e., there's a good cop/bad cop thing going on.)

if that's the case why aren't they doing it now?

And yeah, Northwestern is really kicking our ass in Chicago recruiting. 

[WarriorFan]

I'd promote Stan

A box of rocks would have 10 IQ points on Stan.

[Cheeks]

A box of rocks would have 10 IQ points on Stan.

[🏀]

A box of rocks would have 10 IQ points on Stan.

Bad take.

[MU82]

A box of rocks would have 10 IQ points on Stan.

What does this stoopid dribble even mean?

[vogue65]

Everyone knows what the BOT wants.  Are you saying that you want a program that cheats?  that seems to be your implication.

These guys/gals don't want to get caught cheating. 

The world of big time college sports must be a real cesspool.   I was upset with the BOT, I've adjusted my thinking.  I now accept the new normal. 

[Cheeks]

These guys/gals don't want to get caught cheating. 

The world of big time college sports must be a real cesspool.   I was upset with the BOT, I've adjusted my thinking.  I now accept the new normal.

There are plenty of schools doing it right with success.  MU included.  Others are doing it right with even more success, that’s where I want to get to.

[Herman Cain]

Maybe. Our history suggests otherwise, but maybe things have changed enough.

Arkansas won 2 NCAA titles a lot more recently than we won 1, but both were a bazillion years ago.

Arkansas basketball is a case study that supports why that are so much angst about Wojo performance.

Arkansas had a phenomenal program for a 25 year stretch of Eddie Sutton/Nolan Richardson. It then become a program similar to where MU is now. The longer a program stays at the lesser level, the more it becomes defined by that level.   Arkansas literally stayed at the Wojo level for 25 years straight and now no one thinks of them as any thing but that.

Arkansas is part of SEC football so they can absorb the body blow. MU does not have football and thus can not tolerate an extended period of non elite performance.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Eddie had Federal Express issues he couldn't get past...