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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: GGGG on April 03, 2018, 09:50:04 AM
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https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/04/03/villanova-big-east-championship-dynasty?utm_campaign=si-ncaabb&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_twitter_si
Quoting Jay Wright:
"Initially,” Wright said, “I was scared to death because I’d been an assistant in the old Big East and then as a head coach in the old Big East. I knew I thought it was the best conference in the country. But what I learned, over time, is that we’re authentic. Everybody’s basketball. Everybody’s metropolitan, private school. We play each other, home and away. We want to be the best we can be, and it’s amazing how far authenticity can carry you. It’s really surprised me and, for us, it’s the best league in the country.”
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Yup. The conference we are in is not a concern whatsoever to me. It is outstanding. Is it as good as the old BE? In my opinion, no. But it's the absolute best case scenario we can be in given that football drives everything.
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The Big East (or remnants) have won 5 of the last 8 national champions (counting UL and UCONN)...62% or 38% without the question marks. With the NBE, the conference has won 40% of the titles.
Was the old BE better? Yes. Is the NBE damn good? Yes. Both old and new were highly rated overall by Pomeroy. However, the jumpers have all done worse collectively while the NBE has lived on.
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Great piece. The Jay Wright quote is on the money. If you claim to be "the best", everyone will run to the metrics to figure out if you're just pumping sunshine. On Kenpom, RPI, or W-L records, the NBE might occasionally even be that. But it no longer needs to justify itself as a standout among basketball leagues.
I miss the packed houses of rivalry games against UL and ND, but I'll trade those for a home in a conference with a realistic shot at long-term survival.*
*Subject to NCAA existence in its current form. Your mileage may vary.
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The writing makes it seem as though Nova was a charter BE member, which isn't true.
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At the moment, Villanova is as dominant a program as Florida was a decade ago, and as Duke was in the early 1990’s. And as Georgetown was in the early 1980’s, in the glory days of the Big East.
Why stop with the 80's, Chuck? What about the 70's?
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Why stop with the 80's, Chuck? What about the 70's?
Or the mid to late 40s? Oklahoma A&M had a solid run.
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The writing makes it seem as though Nova was a charter BE member, which isn't true.
No, but they joined the following year (1980). Lucky for them both Holy Cross and Rutgers declined the invitation to be a part of the original iteration of the conference.
Also turned out to be a key vote in rejecting Penn State joining in 1982.
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I think we all knew Buzz's ripping of the new Big East when he left was massively overblown. But even for myself, who was a massive supporter of the league, didn't think it would be this good.
Thought they would need to go to 12 teams eventually but that proved to be dead wrong. The only improvement I could see is if UCONN drops football and wants to join, but that ain't gonna happen.
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I think we all knew Buzz's ripping of the new Big East when he left was massively overblown. But even for myself, who was a massive supporter of the league, didn't think it would be this good.
Thought they would need to go to 12 teams eventually but that proved to be dead wrong. The only improvement I could see is if UCONN drops football and wants to join, but that ain't gonna happen.
Even if UConn drops football (they won't), it doesn't fir the urban/private identity the conference wants.
Now, if Boston College could somehow be persuaded of the evils of football ...
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Even if UConn drops football (they won't), it doesn't fir the urban/private identity the conference wants.
Now, if Boston College could somehow be persuaded of the evils of football ...
Boston College has experienced too much success in football to even consider dropping it. Football made them as an institution. UConn won't drop as having football is the key to being a part of the new NCAA when the football conferences break away within the next ten years.
The Big East is at 10, that's where it's going to remain pending another huge conference realignment and should remain. There are no good candidates to join the conference that would bring anything extra financially (which is what is the key factor in conference expansion) SLU? No. Dayton? X will never let that happen. Detroit? Laughable. Loyola? No gain there. Even if you went outside of Catholic schools who is out there that would actually bring a new market or financial benefit to the conference and is an actual, reasonable and realistic candidate (that means no Gonzaga. Never happening).
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The Big East is at 10, that's where it's going to remain pending another huge conference realignment and should remain. There are no good candidates to join the conference that would bring anything extra financially (which is what is the key factor in conference expansion)
I generally agree with this. If by some miracle you could land a Notre Dame or UConn, sure, you look at it, but the odds of any program of that caliber looking to jump to the Big East seems slim to none, and there just isn't anyone else out there that fits the profile. Besides, the league is humming along perfectly at 10 teams. Why mess with that?
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Boston College has experienced too much success in football to even consider dropping it. Football made them as an institution. UConn won't drop as having football is the key to being a part of the new NCAA when the football conferences break away within the next ten years.
Yes, obviously BC won't drop football.
But it would be one of two programs worth an expansion (Gonzaga being the other .... though we've been through all the reasons why that's not likely).
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Yes, obviously BC won't drop football.
But it would be one of two programs worth an expansion (Gonzaga being the other .... though we've been through all the reasons why that's not likely).
Perhaps if Boston U made a huge financial investment into athletics then they would be a good candidate, but dropping to the Patriot League a few years ago sent the signal that isn't even going to happen.
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Conference realignment likely won't start up for another 4-5 years. We are postioned to be raiders instead of the raided. Sit back a few years and see how the landscape looks in the future. I'm not sure I believe in this separate football conference that Billy predicts, but I do think there will be some changes. I don't think football is sustainable at a few D1 institutions
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Conference realignment likely won't start up for another 4-5 years. We are postioned to be raiders instead of the raided. Sit back a few years and see how the landscape looks in the future. I'm not sure I believe in this separate football conference that Billy predicts, but I do think there will be some changes. I don't think football is sustainable at a few D1 institutions
I agree. CFB is very much a tale of haves and have-nots. Schools will continue to ask questions about whether to allocate immense funds to football when they're a have-not. Great position for the Big East to be in when they start concluding "no."
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Boston College has experienced too much success in football to even consider dropping it. Football made them as an institution. UConn won't drop as having football is the key to being a part of the new NCAA when the football conferences break away within the next ten years.
The Big East is at 10, that's where it's going to remain pending another huge conference realignment and should remain. There are no good candidates to join the conference that would bring anything extra financially (which is what is the key factor in conference expansion) SLU? No. Dayton? X will never let that happen. Detroit? Laughable. Loyola? No gain there. Even if you went outside of Catholic schools who is out there that would actually bring a new market or financial benefit to the conference and is an actual, reasonable and realistic candidate (that means no Gonzaga. Never happening).
Don't sleep on Davidson.
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Don't sleep on Davidson.
Can't wait for the road trips to camp out on 82's front yard!
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Don't sleep on Davidson.
I don't think so. Without Curry on their roster, they haven't won an NCAA game since 1969. Nice story, but a dinky school that would be out of place in the BE. I mean, it only has 1,700 students, which is less than half the size of the smallest BE schools.
The schools that make the most sense are Dayton and SLU....maybe even Loyola Size-wise, market-wise...any would be fine additions *IF* you had to make a choice.
But the BE doesn't have to make a choice so it can afford to wait.
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I don't see Dayton or SLU making the BEast any $$$ (or Davidson for that matter). If they don't bring extra $$$ than they won't be invited.
I think UConn is the only school within the realm of possibility at the moment. I think that pool could grow in the next 6-10 years. No need to rush, sit back and see what options become available.
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I for one love the conference as it is today. I think years from now we will look back very fondly of this period in time. It's competitive top to bottom (maybe minus DePaul), and I think it's outstanding that our conference is the only major conference that has a true home/away with each team. If you don't win the conference, there are no scheduling excuses. Also, look at Nebraska for example. It's not like they had to play Michigan State, Purdue, Michigan, & Ohio State twice each.
I love the current BE. True round robin, all metro, private, basketball first schools. The only way this gets worse is if we aren't competing, but Nova winning championships really helps. We had two #1 seeds this year! Which by the way, makes me even more annoyed that a bunch of 8-10 teams made it in front of MU. 9-9 in a conference with two #1 seeds and 60% tourney teams overall isn't exactly bad. I know, I know, there is a lot more that goes into it. I've been very critical of Wojo but I do think we make it in easy next year. Also, tacos are great. What was the question?
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You obviously don't of it unless it's accretive. From my perspective, the only schools that fit the current profile (not to say this can't change) that would be accretive are ND, Gonzaga and perhaps BC.
ND never would because the ACC lets it have its cake and eat it too. BC isn't going anywhere because of what the ACC does for them in football. Even if either of these would work, they would have undue influence over the rest of the conference with another revenue generating sport.
Tl;Dr - it's not broken, don't fix it
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Boston College has experienced too much success in football to even consider dropping it. Football made them as an institution. UConn won't drop as having football is the key to being a part of the new NCAA when the football conferences break away within the next ten years.
The Big East is at 10, that's where it's going to remain pending another huge conference realignment and should remain. There are no good candidates to join the conference that would bring anything extra financially (which is what is the key factor in conference expansion) SLU? No. Dayton? X will never let that happen. Detroit? Laughable. Loyola? No gain there. Even if you went outside of Catholic schools who is out there that would actually bring a new market or financial benefit to the conference and is an actual, reasonable and realistic candidate (that means no Gonzaga. Never happening).
IF two of SLU, Holy Cross, Fairfield, Canisius or Detroit ever make the financial commitment to their program and achieve some reasonably sustained success they are all markets that I'm sure would be attractive for the package. But that's a big IF.
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I don't see Dayton or SLU making the BEast any $$$ (or Davidson for that matter). If they don't bring extra $$$ than they won't be invited.
I think UConn is the only school within the realm of possibility at the moment. I think that pool could grow in the next 6-10 years. No need to rush, sit back and see what options become available.
Exactly. I was merely stating *if* they had to make a choice right now. No need to do anything at all right now.
Although I go back and forth on UConn.
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Can't wait for the road trips to camp out on 82's front yard!
Got sum different ornaments for Nads' bush doe, hey?
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Got sum different ornaments for Nads' bush doe, hey?
I don't want to let the cat out of the bag, but evidently they do put out a different one every year.
(https://img1.etsystatic.com/204/2/5728885/il_340x270.1374491967_ahai.jpg)
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I for one love the conference as it is today. I think years from now we will look back very fondly of this period in time. It's competitive top to bottom (maybe minus DePaul), and I think it's outstanding that our conference is the only major conference that has a true home/away with each team.
Big 12?
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Big 12?
Yeah they do too.
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Got sum different ornaments for Nads' bush doe, hey?
Ummmm, I think we ought to leave that up to Nads, eh?
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Ummmm, I think we ought to leave that up to Nads *neighbor*, eh?
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