MLB 2017 Season

[MerrittsMustache]

Yeah there is absolutely zero chance that a guy who came onto the scene in the heart of the steroid era of baseball that threw 100 MPH and had a history of nagging injuries used PEDs.  Because, of course, he's a Chicago guy.  Chicago athletes are not only the absolute best to ever walk the Earth, but they are also the cleanest and the greatest human beings in history.

Thanks for bringing it up though.

Yep. That's exactly the point I was making 

[wadesworld]

Yep. That's exactly the point I was making 

I'm not sure what point you were making then.  You think there's no way Wood took PEDs in his life?  Or...you think he did take steroids but...I'm really not sure here?

[#UnleashSean]

I'm not sure what point you were making then.  You think there's no way Wood took PEDs in his life?  Or...you think he did take steroids but...I'm really not sure here?

Come on man. Arrieta roided.... Now wood? Who's next? Ross?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Yeah there is absolutely zero chance that a guy who came onto the scene in the heart of the steroid era of baseball that threw 100 MPH and had a history of nagging injuries used PEDs.  Because, of course, he's a Chicago guy.  Chicago athletes are not only the absolute best to ever walk the Earth, but they are also the cleanest and the greatest human beings in history.

Thanks for bringing it up though.

Dumb and lazy, per usual.  Your anti-Chicago bias makes it hard to take anything you say seriously. 

Of course it is possible for Chicago athletes to take steroids (hello Sammy).

Wood was a pudgy 20 year old with a baby face and an amazing breaking pitch that put immense torque on his elbow.

This may be hard for you to believe, but pitchers get hurt quite a bit, and some pitchers are more injury prone than others.

I'd be very surprised if Wood used PEDs during his career.       

[wadesworld]

Come on man. Arrieta roided.... Now wood? Who's next? Ross?

Lol.  Yeah, no way in heck Kerry Wood used PEDs.  He just came up when EVERYONE was using not just some random PED but anabolic steroids, he threw 100 MPH, and he couldn't stay on the field because his body broke down at the nimble age of 25 years old.  Classic.  I'm sure Sammy Sosa never used PEDs either, never corked his game bats, and forgot how to speak English.  Nope, not Cubbies!  Chicago people don't do that stuff.

[wadesworld]

Dumb and lazy, per usual.  Your anti-Chicago bias makes it hard to take anything you say seriously. 

Of course it is possible for Chicago athletes to take steroids (hello Sammy).

Wood was a pudgy 20 year old with a baby face and an amazing breaking pitch that put immense torque on his elbow.

This may be hard for you to believe, but pitchers get hurt quite a bit, and some pitchers are more injury prone than others.

I'd be very surprised if Wood used PEDs during his career.       

Lol.  Chicago sports fans are the absolute best.

Didn't expect this good of a laugh by 10 AM today.  Thank you, Chicago sports fans.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Come on man. Arrieta roided.... Now wood? Who's next? Ross?

How else would Ross have hit that HR off Andrew Miller in game 7 last year?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Lol.  Chicago sports fans are the absolute best.

Didn't expect this good of a laugh by 10 AM today.  Thank you, Chicago sports fans.

Yep, looking at each individual player and making logical inferences sure is hilarious. 

[wadesworld]

Yep, looking at each individual player and making logical inferences sure is hilarious.

Yeah you're right, looking at what a player's face looks like is definitely a solid way to determine whether a player used PEDs or not.  Because steroids apparently now age a person's face?  That's a new side effect that I had never heard of.  My fault, you nailed it.  The conclusion is Kerry Wood never used PEDs, his face looks too young!

Chicago fans are the best.  Bring up Arietta and you can't look at the muscles coming out of muscles because some people actually lift weights, so no way you can just look at someone physically and conclude PED use.  But then hey, let's look at Kerry Wood's baby faced pudginess, no way he used steroids!  Classic.

Forget the results, TONS of pitchers throw 100 MPH, especially starters!  Forget the injury history, pitchers simply get hurt!  Kerry Wood is the only pitcher to throw a curveball.  Or better yet, Kerry Wood is the only one who torqued his arm to throw the curveball.  All other pitchers throw it straight down and somehow get some crazy spin that results in a curveball.

Forget that he was one of the 103 names that popped up on the list of steroid users that got leaked.  He played for the Cubbies.  No chance he used PEDs!

Of course none of this absolutely proves that anybody used PEDs, steroids, etc.  But the double standards are absolutely hysterical.  Let's not look at Jake Arietta's build because that can't prove anything, but let's look at Kerry Wood's build and face because that proves he didn't use steroids!  Let's look at all the players who are always injured to show they probably used steroids, but hey Kerry Wood threw a curveball of course he was going to be injured!

Is this how sports talk radio is in Chicago?  If so, any suggestions on what radio show to listen to?  This is some of the best entertainment I've seen since college basketball ended.

Pudgy build, baby face = no steroids use.  I'm definitely buying it for "logical inferences."

[#UnleashSean]

Yeah you're right, looking at what a player's face looks like is definitely a solid way to determine whether a player used PEDs or not.  Because steroids apparently now age a person's face?  That's a new side effect that I had never heard of.  My fault, you nailed it.  The conclusion is Kerry Wood never used PEDs, his face looks too young!

Chicago fans are the best.  Bring up Arietta and you can't look at the muscles coming out of muscles because some people actually lift weights, so no way you can just look at someone physically and conclude PED use.  But then hey, let's look at Kerry Wood's baby faced pudginess, no way he used steroids!  Classic.

Forget the results, TONS of pitchers throw 100 MPH, especially starters!  Forget the injury history, pitchers simply get hurt!  Kerry Wood is the only pitcher to throw a curveball.  Or better yet, Kerry Wood is the only one who torqued his arm to throw the curveball.  All other pitchers throw it straight down and somehow get some crazy spin that results in a curveball.

Forget that he was one of the 103 names that popped up on the list of steroid users that got leaked.  He played for the Cubbies.  No chance he used PEDs!

Of course none of this absolutely proves that anybody used PEDs, steroids, etc.  But the double standards are absolutely hysterical.  Let's not look at Jake Arietta's build because that can't prove anything, but let's look at Kerry Wood's build and face because that proves he didn't use steroids!  Let's look at all the players who are always injured to show they probably used steroids, but hey Kerry Wood threw a curveball of course he was going to be injured!

Is this how sports talk radio is in Chicago?  If so, any suggestions on what radio show to listen to?  This is some of the best entertainment I've seen since college basketball ended.

Pudgy build, baby face = no steroids use.  I'm definitely buying it for "logical inferences."

I'm pretty sure he was saying that Wood wasn't physically built up enough. Then was throwing to hard and caused himself injury.

IE, exactly why Little League and professional teams have placed strict limits on # of pitches a young player is allowed to throw.

[wadesworld]

I'm pretty sure he was saying that Wood wasn't physically built up enough. Then was throwing to hard and caused himself injury.

IE, exactly why Little League and professional teams have placed strict limits on # of pitches a young player is allowed to throw.

But Dee Gordon is "built up enough" to use PEDs?  That's my point.  Pudgy build + baby face = no steroid use.  "Logical inferences."  Sold.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I don't agree with everything wades  says about Chicago sports.... But I'm pretty sure just about every baseball player in the 90s and early 2000s was taking some form of PED.  Certainly there were more who were taking them than those who weren't.

[MerrittsMustache]

Wood could throw in the low 90s as a junior in HS. Was he juicing then?

Wood occasionally threw both ends of double headers in high school (including once when he threw 175 pitches) and with the Cubs he had a manager who was notoriously bad with pitchers and pitch counts. Add those things together and it shouldn't be surprising that his body began to break down at a young age and during his time with Dusty.

Steve Stone won the 1980 Cy Young Award by throwing primarily curveballs. He pitched only 1 more season after that as a result of elbow problems attributed to throwing all those curves. Point being: Curveballs are bad for your arm to begin with and even worse when you have a violent pitching motion like Kerry Wood. You rarely see "curveball specialists" anymore. There's a greater focus on sliders and cutters.

It's very possible that Kerry Wood used PEDs, especially when rehabbing. That wouldn't surprise me at all. However, your notion that seems to claim that any successful MLB player (especially those playing in Chicago) reached that point as a result of the use of PEDs is laughable.

[wadesworld]

Wood could throw in the low 90s as a junior in HS. Was he juicing then?

Wood occasionally threw both ends of double headers in high school (including once when he threw 175 pitches) and with the Cubs he had a manager who was notoriously bad with pitchers and pitch counts. Add those things together and it shouldn't be surprising that his body began to break down at a young age and during his time with Dusty.

Steve Stone won the 1980 Cy Young Award by throwing primarily curveballs. He pitched only 1 more season after that as a result of elbow problems attributed to throwing all those curves. Point being: Curveballs are bad for your arm to begin with and even worse when you have a violent pitching motion like Kerry Wood. You rarely see "curveball specialists" anymore. There's a greater focus on sliders and cutters.

It's very possible that Kerry Wood used PEDs, especially when rehabbing. That wouldn't surprise me at all. However, your notion that seems to claim that any successful MLB player (especially those playing in Chicago) reached that point as a result of the use of PEDs is laughable.

Just curious, who brought up PED use here?...

Not sure I ever attributed any MLB player's (successful or not, Chicago or not) reaching the point they did to PED use.  Saying I think a player used PEDs is not the same as saying a player is only good because they roided their butt off.

The fact of the matter is, as TAMU said, in the 90s and early 2000s if you weren't using PEDs you would have a very hard time finding players who hadn't used PEDs at some point in their playing careers.  Cool that Kerry Wood could throw low 90s as a 17 year old.  He could then throw 100 as a 19 year old.

Not sure where the (especially those playing in Chicago) comes from.  I've probably said I think more athletes from WI have used PEDs than I have from Chicago, though if we just went through professional rosters I'm guessing the numbers would be pretty similar.  Chicago?  Wood (now, since he was brought up by a Chicago fanboy...), Arietta, Sosa (obviously)...not sure who else I have said I think used steroids that is a Chicago athlete?  I'm sure I have, but off the top of my head I can't recall bringing up any other players.  So that's 2, and one was just a response to you bringing his steroid use up yourself.

Wisconsin athletes?  Braun (both before and after he failed a pee test), Clay, and I've even said I think Giannis has used some form of PEDs the last 2 years.  So I guess 3 there.  But again, if we go through a list of athletes I'm sure I'd come up with many more.

[Jockey]

Wades believes Wood juiced up for just that one game.

Well, we "know" Thames juiced up just for April, then dumped the rest of the juice.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Yeah you're right, looking at what a player's face looks like is definitely a solid way to determine whether a player used PEDs or not.  Because steroids apparently now age a person's face?  That's a new side effect that I had never heard of.  My fault, you nailed it.  The conclusion is Kerry Wood never used PEDs, his face looks too young!

Chicago fans are the best.  Bring up Arietta and you can't look at the muscles coming out of muscles because some people actually lift weights, so no way you can just look at someone physically and conclude PED use.  But then hey, let's look at Kerry Wood's baby faced pudginess, no way he used steroids!  Classic.

Forget the results, TONS of pitchers throw 100 MPH, especially starters!  Forget the injury history, pitchers simply get hurt!  Kerry Wood is the only pitcher to throw a curveball.  Or better yet, Kerry Wood is the only one who torqued his arm to throw the curveball.  All other pitchers throw it straight down and somehow get some crazy spin that results in a curveball.

Forget that he was one of the 103 names that popped up on the list of steroid users that got leaked.  He played for the Cubbies.  No chance he used PEDs!

Of course none of this absolutely proves that anybody used PEDs, steroids, etc.  But the double standards are absolutely hysterical.  Let's not look at Jake Arietta's build because that can't prove anything, but let's look at Kerry Wood's build and face because that proves he didn't use steroids!  Let's look at all the players who are always injured to show they probably used steroids, but hey Kerry Wood threw a curveball of course he was going to be injured!

Is this how sports talk radio is in Chicago?  If so, any suggestions on what radio show to listen to?  This is some of the best entertainment I've seen since college basketball ended.

Pudgy build, baby face = no steroids use.  I'm definitely buying it for "logical inferences."

Seek help, Wades. 

[wadesworld]

Seek help, Wades.

Shoot, you got me again.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Shoot, you got me again.

We're on the same page then.

Also, your counter-argument to my views on both Arrieta and Wood doesn't hold up in terms of body-type. 

[wadesworld]

We're on the same page then.

Also, your counter-argument to my views on both Arrieta and Wood doesn't hold up in terms of body-type.

Body type means absolutely nothing in terms of PED use.  All 5'11", 170 lbs of Dee Gordon was suspended for PED use.  If your argument that Wood and/or Arrieta don't have the "body type" of a PED user so they obviously can't be using PEDs your argument is pretty awful.

But yeah, I'll go get some help now.  Lol.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Body type means absolutely nothing in terms of PED use.  All 5'11", 170 lbs of Dee Gordon was suspended for PED use.  If your argument that Wood and/or Arrieta don't have the "body type" of a PED user so they obviously can't be using PEDs your argument is pretty awful.

But yeah, I'll go get some help now.  Lol.

I was referring to Wood specifically as a 20 year old.  There was no change in his body type, he hadn't been seriously injured up to the point.  He was a big kid with a huge arm and violent mechanics.  He didn't regularly throw 99-100 mph.  So, if you think Wood used something before Tommy John surgery in 1999 you're nuts.     

Could he have used something as he recovered or later on?  I suppose so and if he did I would be disappointed. 

As for Arrieta, the guy is a workout and health fiend.  He's never tested positive for anything.  He changed his mechanic multiple times and they are still complicated.  Assuming his success over the past 5 years is due to PEDs is idiotic, especially considering he's having another pretty good year when his velocity is down.   

[wadesworld]

I was referring to Wood specifically as a 20 year old.  There was no change in his body type, he hadn't been seriously injured up to the point.  He was a big kid with a huge arm and violent mechanics.  He didn't regularly throw 99-100 mph.  So, if you think Wood used something before Tommy John surgery in 1999 you're nuts.     

Could he have used something as he recovered or later on?  I suppose so and if he did I would be disappointed. 

As for Arrieta, the guy is a workout and health fiend.  He's never tested positive for anything.  He changed his mechanic multiple times and they are still complicated.  Assuming his success over the past 5 years is due to PEDs is idiotic, especially considering he's having another pretty good year when his velocity is down.   

Okay.  You are right.  There is no way in hell Chicago athletes would ever use PEDs.  And I'm sure, even now after seeing what the Cavs got for a player who was demanding a trade from them, that, to you, the Bulls didn't get absolutely smoked by the Wolves in their trade for Jimmy Butler.  And Jay Cutler was an awesome quarterback for the Bears.  Etc.  If you think a Chicago sports team made a bad personnel decision you're a blind Chicago hater.  If you think a Chicago athlete took PEDs you're a blind hater because all PED users show body type changes and you're idiotic if you think otherwise.  If you think a Chicago athlete was a bad player you're a blind Chicago hater.

I don't know why you spend so much time worrying about what an "idiotic" person who should "get help" has to say lol.  Seems like that'd be a waste of time, but to each their own.

[GGGG]

Okay.  You are right.  There is no way in hell Chicago athletes would ever use PEDs.  And I'm sure, even now after seeing what the Cavs got for a player who was demanding a trade from them, that, to you, the Bulls didn't get absolutely smoked by the Wolves in their trade for Jimmy Butler.  And Jay Cutler was an awesome quarterback for the Bears.  Etc.  If you think a Chicago sports team made a bad personnel decision you're a blind Chicago hater.  If you think a Chicago athlete took PEDs you're a blind hater because all PED users show body type changes and you're idiotic if you think otherwise.  If you think a Chicago athlete was a bad player you're a blind Chicago hater.

You're pretty much going off the deep end here.  He literally admitted that Wood could have used PED's post-surgery. 

[4everwarriors]

Well, we "know" Thames juiced up just for April, then dumped the rest of the juice.

Da dumb chit shoulda kept it up. Hasn't dun dooka since, hey?

[wadesworld]

Da dumb chit shoulda kept it up. Hasn't dun dooka since, hey?

Yup.

[wadesworld]

You're pretty much going off the deep end here.  He literally admitted that Wood could have used PED's post-surgery.

Yeah yeah, we already established that I need to get help because I think someone with a baby face used PEDs.