MLB 2017 Season

[buckchuckler]

All of you are a bunch of morons if you think Alamoras tag to 2nd wasn't the play that won them the game.

Double down, meat.

[buckchuckler]

So, some cub fans (looking at you meat!) apparently think the World Series started last year.  Here are some historically significant plays.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughter%27s_Mad_Dash

https://youtu.be/lrI7dVj90zs

https://youtu.be/-F5HwiGm7lg

https://youtu.be/roZUjcYj95k

https://youtu.be/BQksDqxG36s
https://youtu.be/gNt3UuDTBz8
https://youtu.be/86jDXpGtUoo

The cubs may have taken part in the greatest play in WS history, but it was this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babe_Ruth%27s_called_shot

Oh yeah, and these

https://youtu.be/ACHJvLM8848
https://youtu.be/AFsmDKUswas

But you are probably right, a tag up is definitely the, what did you say, oh yeah "best play in World Series history"

But here, just for fun, is what may have been the best play of all time, at least before Joe Maddon pinch ran for a slow guy with a fast guy.

https://youtu.be/7dK6zPbkFnE

[buckchuckler]

One more thing, you keep spelling the dude's name wrong.  I'm not going to give it to you, but man, you must be one dedicated fan. 

[#UnleashSean]

So, some cub fans apparently think the World Series started last year.  Here are some historically significant plays.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughter%27s_Mad_Dash

https://youtu.be/lrI7dVj90zs

https://youtu.be/-F5HwiGm7lg

https://youtu.be/roZUjcYj95k

https://youtu.be/BQksDqxG36s
https://youtu.be/gNt3UuDTBz8
https://youtu.be/86jDXpGtUoo

Oh yeah, and these

https://youtu.be/ACHJvLM8848
https://youtu.be/AFsmDKUswas

But you are probably right, a tag up is definitely the, what did you say, oh yeah "best play in World Series history"

But here, just for fun, is what may have been the best play of all time, at least before Joe Maddon pinch ran for a slow guy with a fast guy.

https://youtu.be/7dK6zPbkFnE

Well you have done messed up "meat" (You are now blocked btw)

#1: We don't even know what actually happened. Done.
#2: Wasn't even a world series play. Done.
#3: Game 6, non elim for the Blue Jays. Was hardly the pressure play felt by Alamora. Plus it was a home run on a pitch he got squared up on. This was hardly a heads up play
#4: Wasn't a play. Was an entire game. Did I say "Best game played by a player" No.
#5: 3rd inning.... Oh my. Let's face it. IT was a great play, but didn't come close to determining the entire game.
#6: This is the 3rd time you've attempted a walk off play. Those aren't great plays. In fact the percentage to win the game was incredibly favorable for the Diamond backs in that moment. Do you know the percentage that a tag on first happens?
#7: 4th time? Were you just googling crap? wasn't even an elim game. For Christ sakes my man.
#8: 5th time? 2nd game of the series. Again you have on average a 30% chance of hitting the ball. This is like a team in basektball winning off a fast break with a layup and you saying the shot was amazing. And not the play that set it up. FYI The latter was the hardest part.
#9 6th time. This was just a grand slam. Lol

As I said before, you are a moron. You clearly don't understand baseball, and understand the managing of baseball even less.

[buckchuckler]

Cub fans are the best.  Thanks for the ignore, badge of honor.  But let's be honest, we both know you just hit show this post.  Thanks again! 

Didn't google anything, sorry about Bobby Thompson, my bad.  Those were just off the top of my head. 

As for your really silly "percentages" deal.  Do a quick google yourself, and see how many of those percentages worked out against Mariano Rivera (Do you know who Mo is meat?  Do you know who meat is, meat?) in general, but much less in the playoffs.  Yes, many of those weren't clinchers, or in clinching games, that doesn't diminish their greatness at all.  You said again, "best play in world series history"  not most important, not most decisive (it isn't either of those, by the way--oh and sorry you don't like walk offs.  Sucks for you).

Oh yeah, as for the mad dash, we know he scored from first on a base hit (scored a double, but by all accounts, a single moving up on the throw).  That is the only part we need to know.  We just don't know why the relay was delayed. 

For the White Sox one's I was clearly just being a homer (you should know something about that, but boy was Pauly really lucky to square that one up).

And you forgot to sleight "the catch"  Game 1 right, didn't even matter?  Something like that?

I apologize for my rudimentary understanding of baseball and managing.  I don't have the what, 2 year history of following baseball that you must have. 

[Plaque Lives Matter!]

Well you have done messed up "meat" (You are now blocked btw)

#1: We don't even know what actually happened. Done.
#2: Wasn't even a world series play. Done.
#3: Game 6, non elim for the Blue Jays. Was hardly the pressure play felt by Alamora. Plus it was a home run on a pitch he got squared up on. This was hardly a heads up play
#4: Wasn't a play. Was an entire game. Did I say "Best game played by a player" No.
#5: 3rd inning.... Oh my. Let's face it. IT was a great play, but didn't come close to determining the entire game.
#6: This is the 3rd time you've attempted a walk off play. Those aren't great plays. In fact the percentage to win the game was incredibly favorable for the Diamond backs in that moment. Do you know the percentage that a tag on first happens?
#7: 4th time? Were you just googling crap? wasn't even an elim game. For Christ sakes my man.
#8: 5th time? 2nd game of the series. Again you have on average a 30% chance of hitting the ball. This is like a team in basektball winning off a fast break with a layup and you saying the shot was amazing. And not the play that set it up. FYI The latter was the hardest part.
#9 6th time. This was just a grand slam. Lol

As I said before, you are a moron. You clearly don't understand baseball, and understand the managing of baseball even less.

Dude no one is denying it wasn't great heads up baseball that was a catalyst to them scoring those runs that won them the game. We are just pointing out that a tag up from first is not that greatest play in World Series history. Take a few deep breaths and enjoy the banner raising tonight.

[Jockey]

All of you are a bunch of morons if you think Alamoras tag to 2nd wasn't the play that won them the game.

What is an Alamoras?

[MUBurrow]

Dude no one is denying it wasn't great heads up baseball that was a catalyst to them scoring those runs that won them the game. We are just pointing out that a tag up from first is not that greatest play in World Series history. Take a few deep breaths and enjoy the banner raising tonight.

Haha this. And back to the original debate, no one was even denying that Maddon isn't a great manager - particularly when it comes to the clubhouse part of things. I would venture to guess that all but maybe a half dozen teams would rather have Maddon than their current skip. But his in game decisions are questionable, and with last year's success, there's the possibility that gets worse before it gets better.

[DegenerateDish]

I think it is unlikely that the Sox get 2 of those.  Signing Robert this session would make it nearly impossible to sigh Ohtani, unless he signs for 300k.  Signing them both next session would be equally unlikely, as they would both have to fit under the cap (8.5 or so), keep in mind the international pool isn't a suggestion like it has been, it is a hard cap.  I'd be pretty happy if they get either Robert or Ohtani. 

Beer may very well be the number one overall pick, I personally don't think the Sox will be bad enough to get number 1 (prove me wrong boys, prove me wrong), top 5 certainly, but teams like the Padres, Reds, Twins (hot start not withstanding) have a better shot at that number 1 pick.

Like you though, the minor leagues are where most of the interest lays.  I upgraded my MLB.tv subscription to include MiLB TV as well.

I know it'll be virtually impossible to sign both Robert & Ohtani. I know one exec said Robert is better than Ohtani, and the Sox international signing strategy puts them in a great position to sign Robert.

Most people don't think Beer will go #1, a true corner outfielder has never gone 1-1, and (luckily) the 2018 draft is loaded with talent.

I've heard from Sox people that they are going all in on Machado. They have the second lowest salary commit right now in MLB for 2019, and can front load a $35 -$40 mil deal for him without hard cap ramifications.

I'd love a Machado, Robert, Beer, Moncada, Collins middle of the order come 2020. That doesn't take into account their arms in the minors, this year's draft, or trading Quintana. I'm willing to stay patient if this is what's coming.

[MDMU04]

All of you are a bunch of morons if you think Alamoras tag to 2nd wasn't the play that won them the game.

Come on man, Almora's run wasn't even the game winner.  The game winner was scored by Rizzo, on Montero's single after the Zobrist double. It's probably only the 3rd most important play in that inning and maybe even 4th, with the IBB to Rizzo.

[Lennys Tap]

And Almora's pinch run? Best play in world series history.

Heads up baseball play that required a basic understanding of score and situation. Some major leaguers would have screwed it up. Lots of Pony Leaguers (13 - !4 year olds) would have gotten it right. Nothing special.

[Plaque Lives Matter!]

Heads up baseball play that required a basic understanding of score and situation. Some major leaguers would have screwed it up. Lots of Pony Leaguers (13 - !4 year olds) would have gotten it right. Nothing special.

Nah man, it was better than Mays' catch, Joe Carter's walkoff, etc.

[buckchuckler]

Heads up baseball play that required a basic understanding of score and situation. Some major leaguers would have screwed it up. Lots of Pony Leaguers (13 - !4 year olds) would have gotten it right. Nothing special.

Best play ever.  Walkoffs are just luck.


**quoted the wrong comment, oh well.

[buckchuckler]

I know it'll be virtually impossible to sign both Robert & Ohtani. I know one exec said Robert is better than Ohtani, and the Sox international signing strategy puts them in a great position to sign Robert.

Most people don't think Beer will go #1, a true corner outfielder has never gone 1-1, and (luckily) the 2018 draft is loaded with talent.

I've heard from Sox people that they are going all in on Machado. They have the second lowest salary commit right now in MLB for 2019, and can front load a $35 -$40 mil deal for him without hard cap ramifications.

I'd love a Machado, Robert, Beer, Moncada, Collins middle of the order come 2020. That doesn't take into account their arms in the minors, this year's draft, or trading Quintana. I'm willing to stay patient if this is what's coming.

Everything you hear about Robert is a lot like Moncada 2.0.  Would love to get him and the Sox seem well positioned.  Ben Badler, Mr. Cuba, seems to think the Sox are the favorite.  Little Havana on the South Side, sign me up. 

I didn't realize that about a corner OF.  That is a little surprising.  It would be great to get that 80 power bat for sure.  At least the speculation will keep things interesting.

I'm not even going to get my hopes up on Machado,  but that would be something...

Moncada with a hr, sb and 2 bb tonight.  You forgot him in the middle of your lineup.  Probably because he will be at the top...

[Plaque Lives Matter!]

Everything you hear about Robert is a lot like Moncada 2.0.  Would love to get him and the Sox seem well positioned.  Ben Badler, Mr. Cuba, seems to think the Sox are the favorite.  Little Havana on the South Side, sign me up. 

I didn't realize that about a corner OF.  That is a little surprising.  It would be great to get that 80 power bat for sure.  At least the speculation will keep things interesting.

I'm not even going to get my hopes up on Machado,  but that would be something...

Has there been any alluding as to what might happen regarding Quintana? Apologies if I missed but curious as to what people think the strategy will be around that. You run the risk of holding him and pitching out of some additional value but at the same time you can hold out for the contenders price. Unrelated but Sale getting the old Quintana treatment in Boston with 0-1 and 1.23 era in two decisions.

[buckchuckler]

Has there been any alluding as to what might happen regarding Quintana? Apologies if I missed but curious as to what people think the strategy will be around that. You run the risk of holding him and pitching out of some additional value but at the same time you can hold out for the contenders price. Unrelated but Sale getting the old Quintana treatment in Boston with 0-1 and 1.23 era in two decisions.

There were lots of rumors all offseason, mostly revolving around the Astros and Pirates.  At this point it seems unlikely anything would happen until traditional trade season.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

This is perfect cub fan nonsense.

 

This response is just as embarrassing, if not moreso.

Typical Sox fan. 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I know it'll be virtually impossible to sign both Robert & Ohtani. I know one exec said Robert is better than Ohtani, and the Sox international signing strategy puts them in a great position to sign Robert.

Most people don't think Beer will go #1, a true corner outfielder has never gone 1-1, and (luckily) the 2018 draft is loaded with talent.

I've heard from Sox people that they are going all in on Machado. They have the second lowest salary commit right now in MLB for 2019, and can front load a $35 -$40 mil deal for him without hard cap ramifications.

I'd love a Machado, Robert, Beer, Moncada, Collins middle of the order come 2020. That doesn't take into account their arms in the minors, this year's draft, or trading Quintana. I'm willing to stay patient if this is what's coming.

I wouldn't hold your breath on Machado.

[buckchuckler]

This response is just as embarrassing, if not moreso.

Typical Sox fan. 

What do you think VBMG?  Best play in the history of the WS?

[WI inferiority Complexes]

I didn't bother to look thru all the links, but I really like baseball and think the best play in WS during my lifetime, (I'll be 40 on the fall) was Puckett's walkoff in 1991 or Gibson's home run in '88.

[WI inferiority Complexes]

I do think Game 7 of the '16 World Series has a chance to be the best baseball game of all time.  FWIW, MLB Network did a countdown of the 20 best games a few years ago.  These are amazing games and bring back a lot of fun memories, but Cubs/Indians last November certainly makes the list.

http://mlb.mlb.com/network/games_airdates/

[buckchuckler]

I do think Game 7 of the '16 World Series has a chance to be the best baseball game of all time.  FWIW, MLB Network did a countdown of the 20 best games a few years ago.  These are amazing games and bring back a lot of fun memories, but Cubs/Indians last November certainly makes the list.

http://mlb.mlb.com/network/games_airdates/

My favorite was the Yanks/Dbacks in 2001. Just a great series.  Every game down to the wire.  In my opinion that was as much fun as baseball can be (of course excepting 2005 for personal reasons, but that wasn't near the series.)

[buckchuckler]

I didn't bother to look thru all the links, but I really like baseball and think the best play in WS during my lifetime, (I'll be 40 on the fall) was Puckett's walkoff in 1991 or Gibson's home run in '88.

Both awesome.  Honestly didn't link either. 

Too bad walkoffs are just luck though.
There are so many.

[MerrittsMustache]

My favorite was the Yanks/Dbacks in 2001. Just a great series.  Every game down to the wire.  In my opinion that was as much fun as baseball can be (of course excepting 2005 for personal reasons, but that wasn't near the series.)

You sure about that? 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ARI/ARI200110270.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ARI/ARI200111030.shtml

[GGGG]

The emotions of the 2001 series were pretty incredible post 9/11 too.  GWB taking the mound for the ceremonial first pitch and the Irish tenor dude signing God Bless America.