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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Its DJOver on March 20, 2024, 09:42:06 AM
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I know that baseball is huge in S. Korea and I can understand trying to maximize that, especially with the worlds most popular player that also happens to be from that part of the world, but the timing is just weird. Having a two game series, then go back to spring training for a week before every other teams starts. Not to mention the fact that you know you're only going to move the needle for the die-hards in America because for the general sports fan March Madness gets 1st, 2nd and 3rd priority for the next 5 days.
I know the feasibility is always going to be tough with the time differences, but this seems especially poorly planned, and poorly advertised.
Won't make a difference in the end though, Dodgers will win 120 games and then lose in the Divisional.
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What will be greater: Dodger wins or White Sox loses?
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Dodgers well on the way to 162-0.
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I know the feasibility is always going to be tough with the time differences, but this seems especially poorly planned, and poorly advertised.
Agreed. If the decision was made that they absolutely had to get regular season games played in Korea, they should have had two interleague teams go over there and play those three games right before the ASB or something. Sure its a bit of a competitive disadvantage, but no worse then having to go play two games in Asia before your pitchers are stretched out.
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Agreed. If the decision was made that they absolutely had to get regular season games played in Korea, they should have had two interleague teams go over there and play those three games right before the ASB or something. Sure its a bit of a competitive disadvantage, but no worse then having to go play two games in Asia before your pitchers are stretched out.
First, their pitchers are as stretched out as any team's pitchers will be on opening day. They reported 7 days early and this game is 7 days before everyone else opens up.
Second, this was for the benefit of Asia and increasing MLB's coffers. It accomplishes both of those goals. And it was imperative that both teams had multiple Asian players. I am sure that MLB considers this series a great success.
Finally, it would be a terrible idea to do this during the season, It would be a big disadvantage for those 2 teams that had to do the extra travelling.
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uhhhhh that Ohtani bombshell is a bit concerning. Definitely a non-zero chance the interpreter is a fall guy.
Paying a friend's gambling debt is not exactly a "massive theft"
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39768770/dodgers-shohei-ohtani-interpreter-fired-theft
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Yeah, this Ohtani story has a ton of red flags around it and none of them look good for Ohtani.
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Yeah, this Ohtani story has a ton of red flags around it and none of them look good for Ohtani.
I just read it. That is, ahem, problematic. Won’t be the last one, though.
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What I find hard to believe is this news just got discovered? As they played earlier today in Seoul, and the interpreter is in the dugout.
It is just a matter of time until a massive gambling story happens in sports (something bigger than Temple as an example). This may be it.
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Ohtani, I mean Ippei, has been hanging around Bruno Mars too much.
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Surprised it didn't get released today or tomorrow with the tournament going on for cover.
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Surprised it didn't get released today or tomorrow with the tournament going on for cover.
Royal family already has that time slot reserved.
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Royal family already has that time slot reserved.
ha, a good chuckle
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Free Pete Rose or kickout Ohtani
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Free Pete Rose or kickout Ohtani
Pete bet on baseball
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From the clubhouse phone.
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From the clubhouse phone.
Cheated on his wives, had a child out of wedlock, had a relationship with a minor, cheated on his taxes and lied for decades about betting on baseball. Interesting people want him back in baseball
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Cheated on his wives, had a child out of wedlock, had a relationship with a minor, cheated on his taxes and lied for decades about betting on baseball. Interesting people want him back in baseball
Sounds perfect for congress
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Sounds perfect for congress
Yeah, I doubt he’s woke
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From the clubhouse phone.
On games in which he played.
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Hoping Ohtani doesn't have MU going far since his track record doesn't seem the best.
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Maybe Ohtani didn'tactually have elbow problems. Maybe MLB wanted him out of sight for a while, a la Jordan 'retiring', or Kolek 'straining an oblique.'
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Cheated on his wives, had a child out of wedlock, had a relationship with a minor, cheated on his taxes and lied for decades about betting on baseball. Interesting people want him back in baseball
While having a relationship with a minor is unforgivable and so is betting on baseball if you’re a pro player, there are countless athletes, many in various Halls of Fame, who’ve cheated on their wives and had children out of wedlock. But hey, the internet is full of people who enjoy getting up on a soapbox. Have you ever tried Reddit? A self-righteous post like this on there will actually win you fake internet points!
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While having a relationship with a minor is unforgivable and so is betting on baseball if you’re a pro player, there are countless athletes, many in various Halls of Fame, who’ve cheated on their wives and had children out of wedlock. But hey, the internet is full of people who enjoy getting up on a soapbox. Have you ever tried Reddit? A self-righteous post like this on there will actually win you fake internet points!
This is the weirdest defense of Pete Rose I've ever seen.
"Sure, Pete Rose is scum, but other people are slightly less scummy, and you're the real scum for pointing out that he's scum."
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While having a relationship with a minor is unforgivable and so is betting on baseball if you’re a pro player, there are countless athletes, many in various Halls of Fame, who’ve cheated on their wives and had children out of wedlock. But hey, the internet is full of people who enjoy getting up on a soapbox. Have you ever tried Reddit? A self-righteous post like this on there will actually win you fake internet points!
Soapbox is pointing out Pete Rose is scummy? And my self-righteousness has no end but so does my hypocrisy. That’s the point.
Of course the Hall of Fame is full of really bad people. Pete Rose should be in that Hall of Fame.
Edit: There’s a larger point here to be discussed about sports fandom and who we defend as individuals, too, but that’s another thread
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While having a relationship with a minor is unforgivable and so is betting on baseball if you’re a pro player, there are countless athletes, many in various Halls of Fame, who’ve cheated on their wives and had children out of wedlock. But hey, the internet is full of people who enjoy getting up on a soapbox. Have you ever tried Reddit? A self-righteous post like this on there will actually win you fake internet points!
Yeah butt, Reako iz an evangelican, aina?
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Yeah butt, Reako iz an evangelican, aina?
That’s why I’m fine with what Pete did and would happily vote for him
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Cheated on his wives, had a child out of wedlock, had a relationship with a minor, cheated on his taxes and lied for decades
Trump Derangement Syndrome. Why does everything have to be about Trump?
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Royce Lewis is a superstar
He’s also more injury prone than Buxton
Just kill me
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Best Fans in Baseball off to a roaring start
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Royce Lewis is a superstar
He’s also more injury prone than Buxton
Just kill me
They’ll be lucky to get 162 games between them.
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I didn't see many spring training games this year (is it just me or did Ballys televise significantly fewer than in past years?) but I didn't realize Chourio was going to be leading off. I like it. I assume Yeli will still leadoff against RHPs
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Brewers on pace for 162-0.
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Brewers on pace for 162-0.
Anything’s possible after defeated arch enemy Jose Quintana
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I'm not a baseball expert and not a fan of either the Brewers or Mets. Hoskins' slide looked just fine to me. Clean hard baseball. I've always though the fielder needs to account for the runner coming in hard and fast to try his best to be safe.
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I'm not a baseball expert and not a fan of either the Brewers or Mets. Hoskins' slide looked just fine to me. Clean hard baseball. I've always though the fielder needs to account for the runner coming in hard and fast to try his best to be safe.
Baserunning rules have changed. And the point of the slide isn’t to be safe - it is to disrupt the relay to 1st base.
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I'm not a baseball expert and not a fan of either the Brewers or Mets. Hoskins' slide looked just fine to me. Clean hard baseball. I've always though the fielder needs to account for the runner coming in hard and fast to try his best to be safe.
It was fine.
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It was fine.
Obviously, I thought so too. I understand eliminating the high spikes or slides that miss the bag. That wasn't the case in that incident.
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Mets still big mad.
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Didn’t take long for Hoskins to become a Brewer favorite.
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Didn’t take long for Hoskins to become a Brewer favorite.
Mets sending a “message” by throwing behind him and then walking him, lol.
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I was underwhelmed by the hire. But I love Murphy's edge. Old school, not taking any crap. Mets tried to bait the Brewers into some nonsense and they go and win anyway.
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Brewers have a chance to be fun in an incredibly infuriating sort of way. Expect plenty of blown leads from a young pitching staff. But they have some really great veteran offensive pieces and a ton of fun young guys
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Brewers sweep the Mets to open the season. Going to be a lot of bad baseball but let the kids play
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Maybe 4never was right on something?
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Anybody park at the ballpark today?
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Yes. It was an experience!
They no longer have you pay as you enter the lot. Instead there are QR codes on each lot light pole and also some signage on the way to the ball park. You need to scan the code, input your license plate number and pay via the app.
When I parked about a half hour before first pitch the app was not loading. I asked one of the parking attendants and he said the app had been down since the lots opened and not to worry about. About half way through the game I got a notification in the ballpark app that due to technical issues, no one would be charged for parking that day.
Will be interesting to see how this plays out. Not sure how they enforce this, do they drive around during the game and scan plates? Anyone know what the fine is if you park without paying? Will they boot your car?
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IMO they should have done a test drive today instead of on opening day. And if the point is to speed up the entry and exit process they need to help users find alternate gates instead of most using the I94 gate. Turn Bluemound road into one way traffic like is done at Lambeau an hour before and after games. That entrance is typically empty.
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A's playing in Sacramento from 2025-27. The key question is who will draw more per game? The River Cats or A's? What a Shytshow.
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Has the new stadium been given final approval? I thought things were still up in the air with that.
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Has the new stadium been given final approval? I thought things were still up in the air with that.
Ditto.
I thought the original land for the ballpark in Las Vegas is a no go.
And there is backup plan for another location but far from settled making it questionable.
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Isn't it time Rob Manfred looks for ways to force John Fisher to sell the team?
I know there's no Marge Schott/Donald Sterling racism angle here, but Fisher's incompetence is bad for the entire league.
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Has the new stadium been given final approval? I thought things were still up in the air with that.
The Trop is getting demolished this month. Plenty of steps for approvals to go in Vegas but the MLB mandated that the A's had a place to play for future scheduling by this summer. The Coliseum lease ends after this season and the A's weren't finding friendly terms in Oakland to no one's surprise.
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I was so confused for a bit there and thinking "But where are the Rays going to play?!"
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Here is the message I received this AM from the A's
Alongside the Sacramento Kings, majority owner of the Sacramento River Cats, the A's have announced that Sutter Health Park will host the team during the 2025-2027 MLB seasons – ahead of our move to Las Vegas in 2028.
Statement from A's Owner and Managing Partner John Fisher:
"We explored several locations for a temporary home, including the Oakland Coliseum. Even with the long-standing relationship and good intentions on all sides in the negotiations with Oakland, the conditions to achieve an agreement seemed out of reach. We understand the disappointment this news brings to our fans, as this season marks our final one in Oakland. Throughout this season, we will honor and celebrate our time in Oakland, and will share additional details soon.
We extend our appreciation to the Kings and the City of West Sacramento, and look forward to making Sutter Health Park our home until our new ballpark opens in Las Vegas."
In question is the A's media deal but I guess Sacramento preserves that $$ as the viewing markets kinda overlap.
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Why not just (and finally) relegate this team to AAA and open a new spot for a big $ newcomer to start a new franchise elsewhere? I kid,... but MLB is not structured to help a small market over achiever survive and prosper.
Truth is, the brilliance of Bean has kept A's punching way over their weight for years. Connie Mack did the same with his A's in Philly, before the days of TV deals. Sadly, while in KC the A's digressed badly and functioned almost as a Yankees farm team. Under Charlie Finley they had their best window-- the last dynasty of the reserve clause, pre free agency era.
The A's storied history will have to concede/relegate and MLB die, or arrange a marriage to a $$ princess, like a poor but proud English aristocrat seeking to preserve the name/history.
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......is Yelich back?
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......is Yelich back?
Steroids are awesome.
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After going through the complaint against Ippei, definitely have more questions than ever for Ohtani. Not passing the sniff test.
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After going through the complaint against Ippei, definitely have more questions than ever for Ohtani. Not passing the sniff test.
This was interesting...
https://x.com/Jomboy_/status/1778565766654140630
Did they speak in code? I'm more of the belief that it wasn't bets for Ohtani at this point, but I'm still baffled how he let this get by him. Did he just not care and/or realize the magnitude of it until his people called it out to him?
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This was interesting...
https://x.com/Jomboy_/status/1778565766654140630
Did they speak in code? I'm more of the belief that it wasn't bets for Ohtani at this point, but I'm still baffled how he let this get by him. Did he just not care and/or realize the magnitude of it until his people called it out to him?
From all accounts, these two were inseparable. I forgot who wrote it (jokingly?) on Twitter, but these two are at home and Ohtani asks “what should we watch?”, and Ippei would say “how about college soccer on ESPN+?”.
Two things I can’t get past.
1. Ippei’s gambling losses make no logical sense, unless he was either pounding horrible parlays, or the vig was insane. Or, he had other financial losses (crypto/options/etc), and those numbers just got all jumbled together.
2. If I was down $40M, and my boss is the best baseball player on the planet, and I’m
already (allegedly) stealing millions from my boss, why wouldn’t I use my MLB knowledge to place wagers with inside info with some other bookmaker? Like I’m already in massive trouble if I get caught, I might as well go for it.
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From all accounts, these two were inseparable. I forgot who wrote it (jokingly?) on Twitter, but these two are at home and Ohtani asks “what should we watch?”, and Ippei would say “how about college soccer on ESPN+?”.
Two things I can’t get past.
1. Ippei’s gambling losses make no logical sense, unless he was either pounding horrible parlays, or the vig was insane. Or, he had other financial losses (crypto/options/etc), and those numbers just got all jumbled together.
Coming someone who has battled with problem gambling and addiction, I actually get it. Especially when you have a seemingly unlimited bankroll. The crazy chases, insane parlays, etc... gets even more tempting and easy to fall into when you're just gonna reload anyways. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if he got smoked on crypto and other stuff as well.
2. If I was down $40M, and my boss is the best baseball player on the planet, and I’m
already (allegedly) stealing millions from my boss, why wouldn’t I use my MLB knowledge to place wagers with inside info with some other bookmaker? Like I’m already in massive trouble if I get caught, I might as well go for it.
I thought something similar, and I certainly don't mean to be stereotypical or make slanted assumptions, but I had a thought about honor and sanctity of the game in Japanese culture. Wouldn't be the first time something honor bound in that culture seemed completely incongruent with other criminal sort of activity.
But on the other hand, in the same vein as my spot above, someone with a problem like his also has a tendancy to put up really weird guardrails. Like "this (insert crazy addiction related behavior) is fine, so long as I dont to XYZ." Thinking "oh I'll get it back and then its not a big deal, but if I gambled on MLB, that could screw me and Shohei even if I replace all the money I embezzled."
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Coming someone who has battled with problem gambling and addiction, I actually get it. Especially when you have a seemingly unlimited bankroll. The crazy chases, insane parlays, etc... gets even more tempting and easy to fall into when you're just gonna reload anyways. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if he got smoked on crypto and other stuff as well.
I thought something similar, and I certainly don't mean to be stereotypical or make slanted assumptions, but I had a thought about honor and sanctity of the game in Japanese culture. Wouldn't be the first time something honor bound in that culture seemed completely incongruent with other criminal sort of activity.
But on the other hand, in the same vein as my spot above, someone with a problem like his also has a tendancy to put up really weird guardrails. Like "this (insert crazy addiction related behavior) is fine, so long as I dont to XYZ." Thinking "oh I'll get it back and then its not a big deal, but if I gambled on MLB, that could screw me and Shohei even if I replace all the money I embezzled."
That’s solid perspective on both points, I appreciate and respect what you mentioned here. Could certainly be valid on everything you said.
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......is Yelich back?
Wouldn’t be too shocking. He definitely showed signs last year.
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1. Ippei’s gambling losses make no logical sense, unless he was either pounding horrible parlays, or the vig was insane. Or, he had other financial losses (crypto/options/etc), and those numbers just got all jumbled together.
Perhaps we can ask Phil Mickelson or John Daly to weigh in.
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Steroids are awesome.
Ah yes. A sure sign of Spring and a new MLB season. Some player has a hot start to the year and wades accuses them of using PEDs.
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I feel like Yelich's issues were all mental once he busted his kneecap. He looked lost up at the plate and didn't seem to have much confidence.
He seemed to start turning it around last year with some solid contact, the homers just weren't there.
Also, I know the restriction on being able to watch film in-between at bats was another theory.
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I feel like Yelich's issues were all mental once he busted his kneecap. He looked lost up at the plate and didn't seem to have much confidence.
He seemed to start turning it around last year with some solid contact, the homers just weren't there.
Also, I know the restriction on being able to watch film in-between at bats was another theory.
Herb Score was supposed to be the next Bob Feller. He took a liner off the face and his career was never the same.
Score claims it didn’t change how he pitched but those that watched him claimed otherwise. He had a looping delivery where it looked like the ball was being released as his hand touched the ground. Post-injury, his motion shortened just an ever bit and he didn’t have the same stuff.
Small tweaks post injury in fear of other injuries can change a lot of what made you effective.
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Any Chicago people here able to read the SunTimes article today on the new White Sox stadium and the people behind it?
We thought the White Sox team was the real joke (they could be historically bad - one of the worst teams in baseball history), but Getz (hiring a wifebeater), Reinsdorf (Looking for ANOTHER handout), and the potential investors (including an Arab who worked with Saddam and was denied a visa to the US by the Stae Dept.) are even worse.
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And just like that, it was a fun 10 games from Yeli. Hard to stay healthy after you start PEDs.
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And just like that, it was a fun 10 games from Yeli. Hard to stay healthy after you start PEDs.
I know there’s the connection to Braun and I’m not saying the guy never did PEDs, but if you consider the performance and injury timeline, the steroids causing injuries theory doesn’t really add up.
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Well, the Twins stink and have probably the most injuries in the sport
But.......its April 13th and Buxton currently isnt one of the injured. Sadly, he also stinks.
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Well, the Twins stink and have probably the most injuries in the sport
But.......its April 13th and Buxton currently isnt one of the injured. Sadly, he also stinks.
And yet, in a much better place than the White Sox.
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Well, the Twins stink and have probably the most injuries in the sport
But.......its April 13th and Buxton currently isnt one of the injured. Sadly, he also stinks.
They have injuries for a reason.
It’s like the White Sox complaining about injuries. Moncada, Robert, and Eloy are hurt every year. If that’s who you choose to have on your team, them you will have injuries.
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Well my St. Louis Cardinals are off to a memorably pedestrian start.
The only teams they seem to be able to consistently beat are the Miami Marlins, who once again are in self-destruct mode. We'll see what the Cardinals do to the Diamondbacks this weekend.
As much as I love my Cardinals, I really don't like this team. They remind me too much of the old Cubs teams. Get on base, stand around and wait for the middle of the order to bash one into the 10th row. Dave Kingman and his .236 batting average would be a star on this team! The pitching is suspect. The hitting is non-existent and the only thing they seem to do well is field.
I got one word for you guys: Bunt!
Bunts happen so rarely, you'd probably give half the infield, the pitcher and the catcher heart attacks or strokes. I don't think they'd know what to do if a Cardinal EVER bunted!
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Well my St. Louis Cardinals are off to a memorably pedestrian start.
The only teams they seem to be able to consistently beat are the Miami Marlins, who once again are in self-destruct mode. We'll see what the Cardinals do to the Diamondbacks this weekend.
As much as I love my Cardinals, I really don't like this team. They remind me too much of the old Cubs teams. Get on base, stand around and wait for the middle of the order to bash one into the 10th row. Dave Kingman and his .236 batting average would be a star on this team! The pitching is suspect. The hitting is non-existent and the only thing they seem to do well is field.
I got one word for you guys: Bunt!
Bunts happen so rarely, you'd probably give half the infield, the pitcher and the catcher heart attacks or strokes. I don't think they'd know what to do if a Cardinal EVER bunted!
You seem like someone who longs for the days of toe on the line 2 point jumpers.
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The brewers have the makings of a sustainably fun team. High floor because of their defense and speed on the bases. Thr pitching still feels like it's destined to run out of gas beyond Peralta, but this is a fun team in the early going
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You seem like someone who longs for the days of toe on the line 2 point jumpers.
No.
I’m tired of players who aren’t home run hitters swinging for the fences. If you are asking if I like team baseball, the answer is yes. There is more than one dimension to baseball!
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No.
I’m tired of players who aren’t home run hitters swinging for the fences. If you are asking if I like team baseball, the answer is yes. There is more than one dimension to baseball!
Teams don’t bunt often because it lowers the run expectancy in an era where pitchers no longer hit.
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Teams don’t bunt often because it lowers the run expectancy in an era where pitchers no longer hit.
It’s a small difference, but the chances of a team scoring with a man on 1st with no outs is higher than with a man on 2nd and one out. The chances of scoring multiple runs is even higher in those scenarios.
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Amid a 2-12 start, it is admirable that White Sox fans can be supportive and united ........
in chants of "Sell The Team" (per the AP)
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They have injuries for a reason.
It’s like the White Sox complaining about injuries. Moncada, Robert, and Eloy are hurt every year. If that’s who you choose to have on your team, them you will have injuries.
Huh??
1. No one is complaining
2. Johan Duran isn’t injury prone.
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Sounds like the most exciting player to ever grace a baseball diamond is getting booed at home games. I only wish the Cubs FO thought as highly of him as the Cubs fans did.
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https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1779695501321081034?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1779695501321081034%7Ctwgr%5E561ec3d4134f78fd7fa53309f2d71ef63034c8fe%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2F2024%2F04%2F15%2Fpadres-dodgers-fan-switcheroo-home-run-ball-priceless-interview
This is gold.
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It’s a small difference, but the chances of a team scoring with a man on 1st with no outs is higher than with a man on 2nd and one out. The chances of scoring multiple runs is even higher in those scenarios.
So I defy the obvious, have the runner stand there and look stupid, wait for my shortstop with a .182 batting average to swing for the fences and hope if, God willing, he hits it into the air, it doesn't go to center or right field.
I get Sabermetrics and AI in baseball. But at some point, human judgment has to enter the picture.
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So I defy the obvious, have the runner stand there and look stupid, wait for my shortstop with a .182 batting average to swing for the fences and hope if, God willing, he hits it into the air, it doesn't go to center or right field.
I get Sabermetrics and AI in baseball. But at some point, human judgment has to enter the picture.
I would suggest there's bigger issues if you have a SS batting .182. Also, there's a greater risk of injury and guys just don't practice it anymore. I don't think the success rate is as high as it used to be.
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I would suggest there's bigger issues if you have a SS batting .182. Also, there's a greater risk of injury and guys just don't practice it anymore. I don't think the success rate is as high as it used to be.
He better be an Ozzie Smith in the field.
Yeah, I don't like sub-Mendoza line hitters either. But I like the idea of having one vacuum cleaner like Brooks Robinson or Ozzie on the infield. Even the Cardinals of the 1960s had Dal Maxvill, who couldn't hit his weight but was an incredible fielding shortstop. The Maury Wills Dodgers were the same way.
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Could you perhaps come up with a player who has played this century? Anyway, these guys can all hit and field now. There is no need to give up too much offense to get a good defensive SS these days.
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Could you perhaps come up with a player who has played this century? Anyway, these guys can all hit and field now. There is no need to give up too much offense to get a good defensive SS these days.
Tell that to the St. Louis Cardinals, who are hitting below the Mendoza Line as a team.
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Tell that to the St. Louis Cardinals, who are hitting below the Mendoza Line as a team.
Their team average is .230. I would advocate for them to bunt as much as possible though.
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He better be an Ozzie Smith in the field.
Yeah, I don't like sub-Mendoza line hitters either. But I like the idea of having one vacuum cleaner like Brooks Robinson or Ozzie on the infield. Even the Cardinals of the 1960s had Dal Maxvill, who couldn't hit his weight but was an incredible fielding shortstop. The Maury Wills Dodgers were the same way.
You obviously watched Monte Wills instead of Maury Wills.
Comparing Maury to Dal Maxvill is beyond ridiculous.
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Could you perhaps come up with a player who has played this century? Anyway, these guys can all hit and field now. There is no need to give up too much offense to get a good defensive SS these days.
Baby steps, how about 1990s?
When discussing baseball today and referencing Dave Kingman, there's some distance to go.
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From The Athletic:
The Chicago White Sox’s miserable start to the 2024 season is starting to look historically bad.
On Monday night, they lost 2-0 to the Kansas City Royals. It marked the sixth time this season they’ve been held scoreless, which ties them with the 1907 Brooklyn Superbas for the most shutouts in the first 16 games of the season, according to Codify Baseball. They’ve been shut out once in each of the six series they’ve played this season.
You know that when a negative record goes all the way back to the Brooklyn Superbas, you really, really suck.
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Speaking of the Cardinals:
ESPN headline-
HOF skipper Herzog, known for 'Whiteyball', dies
The Badger Basketball team owes his estate some royalties.
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Speaking of the Cardinals:
ESPN headline-
HOF skipper Herzog, known for 'Whiteyball', dies
The Badger Basketball team owes his estate some royalties.
Oh boy. We are going to get a lot of "baseball the right way" narrative around here.
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Nice to see Trout healthy and mashing baseballs.
Hopefully he stays healthy. And even more hopeful the angels finally trade the guy
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Oh boy. We are going to get a lot of "baseball the right way" narrative around here.
Pretty dang good manager. Had a lot of success in KC before taking the Cardinals gig. Might be a two-time WS Champ if not for a badly blown call.
Hated, absolutely hated him and his Cardinals teams. Best compliment I can give him. Did a lot of things that became popular later, utilizing high OBP players like Darrell Porter. Needed another power threat in ‘85 and ‘87, though.
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From The Athletic:
The Chicago White Sox’s miserable start to the 2024 season is starting to look historically bad.
On Monday night, they lost 2-0 to the Kansas City Royals. It marked the sixth time this season they’ve been held scoreless, which ties them with the 1907 Brooklyn Superbas for the most shutouts in the first 16 games of the season, according to Codify Baseball. They’ve been shut out once in each of the six series they’ve played this season.
You know that when a negative record goes all the way back to the Brooklyn Superbas, you really, really suck.
These White Sox may be historically bad by the end of the season. They project to only be a 20 win team. I know they willl win more than 30, but maybe not much more than that. They have brought on some mediocre veteran help with the plan to sell them off to contenders, so the end of the season projects to be worse than this start. And, on top of that, as a big market team, the best they can get in the draft is the 10th pick. :-\
Excellent timing by JR while asking for a new stadium. :o
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These White Sox may be historically bad by the end of the season. They project to only be a 20 win team. I know they willl win more than 30, but maybe not much more than that. They have brought on some mediocre veteran help with the plan to sell them off to contenders, so the end of the season projects to be worse than this start. And, on top of that, as a big market team, the best they can get in the draft is the 10th pick. :-\
Excellent timing by JR while asking for a new stadium. :o
They are on a pace to win 20 games - they don't project to win 20.
They will probably win somewhere in the 50s. Every team is gonna win 50 and lose 50. The good teams win at least 2/3 of the other games.
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The last of the Brooklyn Dodgers has passed away, Carl Erskine at age 97. Pitched 2 no-hitters and helped Brooklyn win a title in ‘55.
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They are on a pace to win 20 games - they don't project to win 20.
They will probably win somewhere in the 50s. Every team is gonna win 50 and lose 50. The good teams win at least 2/3 of the other games.
Agreed. It’s really, really hard to not win 50. The Sox have a couple decent bullpen pieces in Leasure, Kopech, and Shuster (who might be moved to the rotation). Those guys will help keep them competitive in close, low-scoring games. The offense has been trash, but Benintendi, Grossman, Pham, Vaughn, Sheets, and a healthy Eloy/Robert will provide just enough on some nights. Still, it looks like 100+ losses is inevitable.
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They are on a pace to win 20 games - they don't project to win 20.
They will probably win somewhere in the 50s. Every team is gonna win 50 and lose 50. The good teams win at least 2/3 of the other games.
That's fair. Feels like the ceiling is 50 wins.
The exclusion from a top 10 pick is harsh, but probably fair. Just glad the NFL doesn't do that.
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That's fair. Feels like the ceiling is 50 wins.
The exclusion from a top 10 pick is harsh, but probably fair. Just glad the NFL doesn't do that.
If there’s a team to stoop to 50 wins, the White Sox are the best candidate.
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Pretty dang good manager. Had a lot of success in KC before taking the Cardinals gig. Might be a two-time WS Champ if not for a badly blown call.
Hated, absolutely hated him and his Cardinals teams. Best compliment I can give him. Did a lot of things that became popular later, utilizing high OBP players like Darrell Porter. Needed another power threat in ‘85 and ‘87, though.
I ain’t complaining. Great manager who had the respect of his players and of the community.
They don’t make ‘em like Whitey anymore!
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I ain’t complaining. Great manager who had the respect of his players and of the community.
They don’t make ‘em like Whitey anymore!
No, no they don’t. Mike Shropshire’s book “Seasons in Hell” is a great look into Whitey Herzog from his year managing the Rangers.
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Rockies trying really hard to upstage the A’s and White Sox as this season’s biggest $hit$how
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Rockies trying really hard to upstage the A’s and White Sox as this season’s biggest $hit$how
But only the Sox are excluded from the top 10 draft picks. That takes serious commitment to the $hit$how when there is no reward.
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Not enough bunting by STL leads to a Brewers sweep.
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Not enough bunting by STL leads to a Brewers sweep.
How did they get so bad so quick?
I guess when Lynn and Gibson are your big FA signings, you’ve pretty much given up.
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Their old guys are old. Their farm system is OK with top prospects being a couple years out.
And this manager doesn’t seem to be great. Kinda wonder how much Yadi was actually managing that team a couple years ago.
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I feel really, really bad for the team and their fans. I am sure they will be paragons of patience and support while the team works through this rough patch.
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Was Craig Counsell holding them back? Was Pat Murphy always the brains of the operation?
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Was Craig Counsell holding them back? Was Pat Murphy always the brains of the operation?
Pitching won’t hold up but the kids are fun
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Pitching won’t hold up but the kids are fun
Yeah, could hold up enough for for 86 wins and a playoff berth. Anything beyond that seems unrealistic
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Yeah, could hold up enough for for 86 wins and a playoff berth. Anything beyond that seems unrealistic
At least they’re not the Cardinals. Goldschmidt is toast, the offense blows and the pitching is hinging on hope. And they have to play in front of an empty stadium every game. And the city itself is a dump. Sad times for the BFIBs
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Twins vs White Sox for 4 this week
Must watch baseball
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Twins vs White Sox for 4 this week
Must watch baseball
One of these teams will have to figure out how to win a baseball game and both teams are really slow learners
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Wade Miley to the DL. DL Hall on the DL. Woof
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One of these teams will have to figure out how to win a baseball game and both teams are really slow learners
The Sox are hitting an impressive 0.188. and only .007 behind the Twins.
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Twins vs White Sox for 4 this week
Must watch wince baseball
FIFY
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Yikes, even Chris Paddack can deal against the Sox lineup
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Yikes, even Chris Paddack can deal against the Sox lineup
Sox with an MLB record, 8 shutouts in first 22 games.
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Getz oversaw the development of these guys in the minors - so who else would you choose to run things?
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Getz oversaw the development of these guys in the minors - so who else would you choose to run things?
Well, J.R. said he hired Getz because he didn't want to waste a year with an outside hire. :o
Getz's team wasted no time setting all time MLB records.
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The last of the Brooklyn Dodgers has passed away, Carl Erskine at age 97. Pitched 2 no-hitters and helped Brooklyn win a title in ‘55.
Sandy Koufax, who started in Brooklyn, is very much alive and kicking. We see him around town every now and then.
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Idiot umpire Hunter Wendelstedt ejected Aaron Boone after a fan yelled something. And then Wendelstedt doubled down on his idiocy after the game, claiming he heard a player "at the far end of the dugout."
https://sports.yahoo.com/yankees-manager-aaron-boone-ejected-after-fan-mouths-off-to-home-plate-umpire-183940101.html?.tsrc=1317
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Idiot umpire Hunter Wendelstedt ejected Aaron Boone after a fan yelled something. And then Wendelstedt doubled down on his idiocy after the game, claiming he heard a player "at the far end of the dugout."
https://sports.yahoo.com/yankees-manager-aaron-boone-ejected-after-fan-mouths-off-to-home-plate-umpire-183940101.html?.tsrc=1317
He's lucky Angel Hernandez is a household name and he's able to fly more under the radar.
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Idiot umpire Hunter Wendelstedt ejected Aaron Boone after a fan yelled something. And then Wendelstedt doubled down on his idiocy after the game, claiming he heard a player "at the far end of the dugout."
https://sports.yahoo.com/yankees-manager-aaron-boone-ejected-after-fan-mouths-off-to-home-plate-umpire-183940101.html?.tsrc=1317
I'm ok with it considering the entire sequence was objectively hilarious.
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Yikes, even Chris Paddack can deal against the Sox lineup
I really thought Paddack was gonna be a stud when he came up. He's only 28, but he was regressing even before the second Tommy John.
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I really thought Paddack was gonna be a stud when he came up. He's only 28, but he was regressing even before the second Tommy John.
So did I after his first year. He was one I was box score checking come year 2 as a potential up and comer and immediately regressed
His underlying numbers in his very brief 2022 before the second TJ were impressive but it was such a small sample.
At this point the twins just need him to not be another Chris Archer going 4 innings a start with a bad era.
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White Sox lol
Chase Lopez.
Get a gem from a random scrub
Get key insurance runs late
Still lose. Twins will take any wins they can get though. Not complaining.
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White Sox lol
Chase Lopez.
Get a gem from a random scrub
Get key insurance runs late
Still lose. Twins will take any wins they can get though. Not complaining.
Still way early in the season, but if you're going to lose 120+ games, the Sox are executing the game plan.
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Is Kopech the most overrated Chicago athlete since Cutler?
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Is Kopech the most overrated Chicago athlete since Cutler?
You're extra ornery lately, you ok man?
I don't think anyone has treated Kopech like the second coming except some overly optimistic Sox fans. Almost everyone else views him as a very talented prospect who can't stay healthy and whose career has went sideways as a result.
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You're extra ornery lately, you ok man?
I don't think anyone has treated Kopech like the second coming except some overly optimistic Sox fans. Almost everyone else views him as a very talented prospect who can't stay healthy and whose career has went sideways as a result.
Nah. Sometimes I just get a perverse pleasure out of the failure of Chicago teams. Comes from growing up just north of the border.
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Is Kopech the most overrated Chicago athlete since Cutler?
Heck, no. Just one of too many to count.
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It's getting to be almost as tough to be a St. Louis Cardinals fan as it is a Chicago White Sox fan.
Big difference: We have expectations. Perhaps delusional this year, especially when Arizona scores 14 runs on our team, but we rather expect to win. Not going to happen with this team.
Marmol and Mozeliak need to go... and soon. I suspect they will rename Busch Stadium "Cape Canaveral" later this year when the Cardinals' ancient pitching staff gives out. If we get 15 home runs a piece from Goldschmidt and Arenado, I'd be surprised the way things are going.
There's a core to build around. Masyn Winn, Jordan Walker and possibly Dylan Carlson (who appears to be in Ollie's dog house, again) all impress me as future all stars under the right management. I'm OK with Nootbaar as an everyday player. But the rest of this team should be tied up and tossed from the Arch into the Mississippi River and tied down with a heavy, lead anchor. If they should surface, call Missouri Hazardous Waste Disposal Units (Illinois would just dump 'em in your back yard).
Ironically, with Whitey dying last week, this team reminds me of the Cardinals teams in 1978 and 1979. Lots of talent on paper but chronic underperformers and the talent was over-evaluated. Was a different era but Whitey went out and built a team with trades and a little free agency. Something has to happen, or St. Louis soon will become the next "small amrket team," at least in attendance.
P.S -- Forget it Cub fans! I'm loyal to a fault!!!!
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It's getting to be almost as tough to be a St. Louis Cardinals fan as it is a Chicago White Sox fan.
Big difference: We have expectations. Perhaps delusional this year, especially when Arizona scores 14 runs on our team, but we rather expect to win. Not going to happen with this team.
Marmol and Mozeliak need to go... and soon. I suspect they will rename Busch Stadium "Cape Canaveral" later this year when the Cardinals' ancient pitching staff gives out. If we get 15 home runs a piece from Goldschmidt and Arenado, I'd be surprised the way things are going.
There's a core to build around. Masyn Winn, Jordan Walker and possibly Dylan Carlson (who appears to be in Ollie's dog house, again) all impress me as future all stars under the right management. I'm OK with Nootbaar as an everyday player. But the rest of this team should be tied up and tossed from the Arch into the Mississippi River and tied down with a heavy, lead anchor. If they should surface, call Missouri Hazardous Waste Disposal Units (Illinois would just dump 'em in your back yard).
Ironically, with Whitey dying last week, this team reminds me of the Cardinals teams in 1978 and 1979. Lots of talent on paper but chronic underperformers and the talent was over-evaluated. Was a different era but Whitey went out and built a team with trades and a little free agency. Something has to happen, or St. Louis soon will become the next "small amrket team," at least in attendance.
P.S -- Forget it Cub fans! I'm loyal to a fault!!!!
I blame the fans
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Sox now 3-22
Just unbelievable
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Sox now 3-22
Just unbelievable
For the first time in a long time, I have not watched a single inning of white sox baseball. Extremely sad state of affairs lol
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Early obviously. But 19/24 of the Brewers games have been against teams .500 or better. Their next 12 games are against teams currently .500 or better. Then they get a break against the Cards :D
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Early obviously. But 19/24 of the Brewers games have been against teams .500 or better. Their next 12 games are against teams currently .500 or better. Then they get a break against the Cards :D
And 16/24 were on the road.
Absolutely amazing start after losing their manager and top 2 pitchers.
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Sox now 3-22
Just unbelievable
I feel like Grifol might not be their manager tomorrow night. At this point, I think you make a move just to do it.
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I feel like Grifol might not be their manager tomorrow night. At this point, I think you make a move just to do it.
I'm sure you agree that will not move the needle much but it maybe best for PR.
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Tommy John for Wade Miley.
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Tommy John for Wade Miley.
That’s rough. Always liked watching him pitch.
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At 38, will he ever pitch again? At 16 months rehab, who knows.
If not, is it even necessary to have the surgery?
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Tommy John for Wade Miley.
Not a great trade. He’s 80 years old!
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Banner 3 days for the umps in Milwaukee
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Great f'ng officiating product you got there, MLB. If we're going to do crap like this let's actually throw at the the umps
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Great f'ng officiating product you got there, MLB. If we're going to do crap like this let's actually throw at the the umps
Tossing Freddy tonight will be justified as we deemed it retaliatory for Hoskins being hit
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Think Pat should call for a gambling investigation into this crew
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Slap fight!
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I'm gonna overlook opponents and say 10 wins in a row is impressive
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From Yahoo Sports:
Cubs lefty Shōta Imanaga continued the historic start to his rookie season on Wednesday, pitching seven scoreless innings in a 1-0 victory over the Mets.
His numbers so far:
5-0
34.2 IP
35 K
0.78 ERA
0.75 WHIP
Imanaga's 0.78 ERA is the lowest through a pitcher's first six MLB starts since Fernando Valenzuela (0.33) in 1981. Valenzuela was just 20 years old while Imanaga is 30 with seven pro seasons in Japan under his belt, but if he keeps this up... Chicago may soon get its own taste of "Shōtamania."
Quote of the day: Imanaga was asked what it was like pitching in New York for the first time. "The view from the hotel, I recognize it from Spider-Man," he said via his interpreter. "So I was like, 'Oh, this is where Spider-Man was.'" Amazing.
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From Yahoo Sports:
Cubs lefty Shōta Imanaga continued the historic start to his rookie season on Wednesday, pitching seven scoreless innings in a 1-0 victory over the Mets.
His numbers so far:
5-0
34.2 IP
35 K
0.78 ERA
0.75 WHIP
Imanaga's 0.78 ERA is the lowest through a pitcher's first six MLB starts since Fernando Valenzuela (0.33) in 1981. Valenzuela was just 20 years old while Imanaga is 30 with seven pro seasons in Japan under his belt, but if he keeps this up... Chicago may soon get its own taste of "Shōtamania."
Quote of the day: Imanaga was asked what it was like pitching in New York for the first time. "The view from the hotel, I recognize it from Spider-Man," he said via his interpreter. "So I was like, 'Oh, this is where Spider-Man was.'" Amazing.
Insane value grab by the Cubs so far for the production of star NPB pitcher signings. Only paying $13MM a year for Shoto where the Dodgers are paying $27MM a year for Yamamoto. Yamamoto is gonna end up being very good but he's been a bit boom or bust in his starts, Shoto meanwhile has an insane 4 hits over 5 starts.
Also, as I mentioned when Yamamoto signed, both guys are well below average for SP height. Average last I saw was like 6'3, and there are less than 15 starters that are 5'10 or under, which Shoto and Moto both are, and both have a signature fastball.
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Muggsy would like 'em even more if they were 4'10 or under!
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Big question: Was Carl Pohlad right and major league baseball needs to contract?
I look at teams like the White Sox, Marlins, Rockies, Athletics, Pirates and even my beloved Cardinals. There isn't enough major league talent to staff 30 teams. When you get down to the lower end of any division in baseball, not only is there no talent, or very little talent, there's NO HOPE!
Miami should be, on paper, one of the best baseball towns in America. Its demographic, major market size and stadium quality (even the food is good) suggests this is a true major league city. But a succession of bad owners and GMs has wrecked the franchise and left the Marlins as a mediocre AA team. The Pirates have played better as of late but does anyone in Pittsburgh think a World Series will be coming in their lifetime?
Yeah, some if it is money. Stars go where the money is. But the baseball product is so watered down today, true stars have a huge market because there's just a limited number of high-level major league superstars --far fewer than are needed for a 30+ team league. And, the idiot commissioner is thinking expansion again??????
Pohlad probably was right. Baseball needs to think about contraction. Probably about four to six teams need to go. I'd probably argue the As and Kansas City for starters. Any thoughts Scoopers?
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Big question: Was Carl Pohlad right and major league baseball needs to contract?
I look at teams like the White Sox, Marlins, Rockies, Athletics, Pirates and even my beloved Cardinals. There isn't enough major league talent to staff 30 teams. When you get down to the lower end of any division in baseball, not only is there no talent, or very little talent, there's NO HOPE!
Miami should be, on paper, one of the best baseball towns in America. Its demographic, major market size and stadium quality (even the food is good) suggests this is a true major league city. But a succession of bad owners and GMs has wrecked the franchise and left the Marlins as a mediocre AA team. The Pirates have played better as of late but does anyone in Pittsburgh think a World Series will becoming in their lifetime?
Yeah, some if it is money. Stars go where the money is. But the baseball product is so watered down today, true stars have a huge market because there's just a limited number of high-level major league superstars --far fewer than are needed for a 30+ team league. And, the idiot commissioner is thinking expansion again??????
Pohlad probably was right. Baseball needs to think about contraction. Probably about four to six teams need to go. I'd probably argue the As and Kansas City for starters. Any thoughts Scoopers?
I agree (And not just baseball).
However, not happening
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Big question: Was Carl Pohlad right and major league baseball needs to contract?
I look at teams like the White Sox, Marlins, Rockies, Athletics, Pirates and even my beloved Cardinals. There isn't enough major league talent to staff 30 teams. When you get down to the lower end of any division in baseball, not only is there no talent, or very little talent, there's NO HOPE!
Miami should be, on paper, one of the best baseball towns in America. Its demographic, major market size and stadium quality (even the food is good) suggests this is a true major league city. But a succession of bad owners and GMs has wrecked the franchise and left the Marlins as a mediocre AA team. The Pirates have played better as of late but does anyone in Pittsburgh think a World Series will be coming in their lifetime?
Yeah, some if it is money. Stars go where the money is. But the baseball product is so watered down today, true stars have a huge market because there's just a limited number of high-level major league superstars --far fewer than are needed for a 30+ team league. And, the idiot commissioner is thinking expansion again??????
Pohlad probably was right. Baseball needs to think about contraction. Probably about four to six teams need to go. I'd probably argue the As and Kansas City for starters. Any thoughts Scoopers?
The Royals are a decade removed from a World Series win. 24 teams isn't enough. What baseball needs is a salary cap and a salary floor.
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Yes. The Cardinals are in a uncharacteristic hole. Some prospects didn't pan out. Maybe they should try the portal. The A's are not even trying. They are an embarrassment to all owners everywhere. The White Sox have been competitive recently, they just got dumber. Florida, for whatever reason, does not support MLB.
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Yes. The Cardinals are in a uncharacteristic hole. Some prospects didn't pan out. Maybe they should try the portal. The A's are not even trying. They are an embarrassment to all owners everywhere. The White Sox have been competitive recently, they just got dumber. Florida, for whatever reason, does not support MLB.
I agree with this, and yet the A's are only 2 games under .500 and in third place. It lends credibility to the position that the White Sox are purposefully tanking (for no reason I can explain) or JR is not fit for owning a team (not just in a fan's perspective of "our owner sucks", but actual diminished cognitive capabilities).
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Contraction isn’t the answer for baseball or any other sport. There is plenty of talent around.
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Bally Sports and Xfinity aren't the answer right now, either.
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Contraction isn’t the answer for baseball or any other sport. There is plenty of talent around.
Brother Hippie:
I agree there is plenty of "talent" around, but not enough MAJOR LEAGUE talent. That's where I think the problem is. The pitching is just atrocious
Part of the problem is money, I agree. To retain talent, whether out of high school or college, takes huge bonuses and lots of development costs. Then, once they become arbitration eligible, you're screwed financially because arbitrators have been conditioned to look at home runs and batting average. And, to the romantic notion that somehow baseball will get a salary cap -- not going to happen in my or your lifetime!
Basically, you have to sell about 2.5 million tickets to be competitive and 3.5 million to consistently contend. Even then, the Cardinals are proving this year that with bad management and poor player development, a team can S-U-C-K, suck!
My nominees for contraction are Oakland, Kansas City (also having a stadium battle), Tampa Bay (stadium). At this point, it gets tough. I'd argue for Pittsburgh on grounds that even with the best stadium in the majors, it can't support a winner. From there, it's a crap shoot, but I'd surely keep Miami, Denver, Phoenix, all of which should be able with good ownership to be winnders.
Maybe we need to fire and replace owners!
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Yes. The Cardinals are in a uncharacteristic hole. Some prospects didn't pan out. Maybe they should try the portal. The A's are not even trying. They are an embarrassment to all owners everywhere. The White Sox have been competitive recently, they just got dumber. Florida, for whatever reason, does not support MLB.
Right now, there are a dozen teams as bad or worse than the A’s.
If the Cards don’t want to compete anymore, I’d get rid of them 1st.
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I should have said the A's ownership is embarrassing. The players continue to meet or exceed expectations. Use their moronic owners as focus and motivation.
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The Royals are a decade removed from a World Series win. 24 teams isn't enough. What baseball needs is a salary cap and a salary floor.
Especially when almost all of the losing teams get millions and millions in revenue sharing.
But some owners don’t care if they win. They just want to keep their money tree healthy.
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Right now, there are a dozen teams as bad or worse than the A’s.
If the Cards don’t want to compete anymore, I’d get rid of them 1st.
To be fair, a good chunk of the fan base is poor from legal defenses and buying autographed bibles
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I agree with this, and yet the A's are only 2 games under .500 and in third place. It lends credibility to the position that the White Sox are purposefully tanking (for no reason I can explain) or JR is not fit for owning a team (not just in a fan's perspective of "our owner sucks", but actual diminished cognitive capabilities).
You should have to disclose your financials if you fall under the median total salary threshold
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Brother Hippie:
I agree there is plenty of "talent" around, but not enough MAJOR LEAGUE talent. That's where I think the problem is. The pitching is just atrocious
Part of the problem is money, I agree. To retain talent, whether out of high school or college, takes huge bonuses and lots of development costs. Then, once they become arbitration eligible, you're screwed financially because arbitrators have been conditioned to look at home runs and batting average. And, to the romantic notion that somehow baseball will get a salary cap -- not going to happen in my or your lifetime!
Basically, you have to sell about 2.5 million tickets to be competitive and 3.5 million to consistently contend. Even then, the Cardinals are proving this year that with bad management and poor player development, a team can S-U-C-K, suck!
My nominees for contraction are Oakland, Kansas City (also having a stadium battle), Tampa Bay (stadium). At this point, it gets tough. I'd argue for Pittsburgh on grounds that even with the best stadium in the majors, it can't support a winner. From there, it's a crap shoot, but I'd surely keep Miami, Denver, Phoenix, all of which should be able with good ownership to be winnders.
Maybe we need to fire and replace owners!
The issue isn't one of lack of major league talent. The issue is one of competitive balance. Contracting teams isn't going to help with that.
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To be fair, a good chunk of the fan base is poor from legal defenses and buying autographed bibles
Excuse me but most Cardinal fans not educated at Marquette probably don't know the difference between a Bible and a Koran.
But we know baseball and we know one absolute: The CUBS SUCK!!!!!
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Well
Buxton made it to May before the knee acted up.
Progress
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From Yahoo Sports:
The Athletics are averaging 6,410 fans per home game this season, which is on pace to be the lowest average home attendance for an MLB team since… the Athletics in 1979.
Mind-blowing stat: 553 professional and college teams in the U.S. are averaging more fans than the 2024 A's, per Sportico.
Included in that list: 18 minor league hockey teams, 13 minor league baseball teams, 12 NWSL teams, 12 NCAA baseball teams, eight NLL teams (indoor lacrosse), seven WNBA teams, seven USL Championship teams (one tier below MLS), six D-II football teams, three Indoor Football League teams, two D-III football teams, and one women's volleyball team (shoutout to the Omaha Supernovas!).
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From Yahoo Sports:
The Athletics are averaging 6,410 fans per home game this season, which is on pace to be the lowest average home attendance for an MLB team since… the Athletics in 1979.
Mind-blowing stat: 553 professional and college teams in the U.S. are averaging more fans than the 2024 A's, per Sportico.
Included in that list: 18 minor league hockey teams, 13 minor league baseball teams, 12 NWSL teams, 12 NCAA baseball teams, eight NLL teams (indoor lacrosse), seven WNBA teams, seven USL Championship teams (one tier below MLS), six D-II football teams, three Indoor Football League teams, two D-III football teams, and one women's volleyball team (shoutout to the Omaha Supernovas!).
And they are actually currently playing far better than expected to start ha
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From Yahoo Sports:
The Athletics are averaging 6,410 fans per home game this season, which is on pace to be the lowest average home attendance for an MLB team since… the Athletics in 1979.
Mind-blowing stat: 553 professional and college teams in the U.S. are averaging more fans than the 2024 A's, per Sportico.
Included in that list: 18 minor league hockey teams, 13 minor league baseball teams, 12 NWSL teams, 12 NCAA baseball teams, eight NLL teams (indoor lacrosse), seven WNBA teams, seven USL Championship teams (one tier below MLS), six D-II football teams, three Indoor Football League teams, two D-III football teams, and one women's volleyball team (shoutout to the Omaha Supernovas!).
White Sox fans should take note and learn.
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Somebody, please shoot Cardinal Manager Ollie Marmol!
Don't fire him! Shoot him!
OK, I'm only kidding but I am so disgusted at the St. Louis Cardinals that I'm on the verge of softening my hatred for the Chicago Cubs.
Case in point: Cardinal Catcher Wilson Contreras was told to crowd the plate as he was catching so the Cardinals could get more breaks on breaking balls from umpires. Contreras does as he is told and lo and behold, the hitter for the New York Mets clobbers his arm . Contreras is out for six weeks and had surgery to repair a broken arm. To add insult to injury, Contreras was charged with catcher's interference and the batter awarded first base.
That, coupled with the Cardinals hitting about .036 as a team and losing two of the three to the White Sox and on the verge of being swept by the ever loving New York Mets and its time to do something drastic. This season is probably lost but if the Cardinals don't do something soon, attendance at Busch Stadium will look like such baseball mad places as Oakland, Miami or Kansas City.
Bye Ollie -- go back to the A leagues where you might learn some baseball. Take Molizak with you! PLEASE!!!!!!
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Somebody, please shoot Cardinal Manager Ollie Marmol!
Don't fire him! Shoot him!
OK, I'm only kidding but I am so disgusted at the St. Louis Cardinals that I'm on the verge of softening my hatred for the Chicago Cubs.
Case in point: Cardinal Catcher Wilson Contreras was told to crowd the plate as he was catching so the Cardinals could get more breaks on breaking balls from umpires. Contreras does as he is told and lo and behold, the hitter for the New York Mets clobbers his arm . Contreras is out for six weeks and had surgery to repair a broken arm. To add insult to injury, Contreras was charged with catcher's interference and the batter awarded first base.
That, coupled with the Cardinals hitting about .036 as a team and losing two of the three to the White Sox and on the verge of being swept by the ever loving New York Mets and its time to do something drastic. This season is probably lost but if the Cardinals don't do something soon, attendance at Busch Stadium will look like such baseball mad places as Oakland, Miami or Kansas City.
Bye Ollie -- go back to the A leagues where you might learn some baseball. Take Molizak with you! PLEASE!!!!!!
It's not just an Ollie thing. All catchers are doing this.
https://apnews.com/article/mlb-catcher-interference-c3a9d32dab7ea8503dd0f95b935ba109
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Somebody, please shoot Cardinal Manager Ollie Marmol!
Don't fire him! Shoot him!
OK, I'm only kidding but I am so disgusted at the St. Louis Cardinals that I'm on the verge of softening my hatred for the Chicago Cubs.
Case in point: Cardinal Catcher Wilson Contreras was told to crowd the plate as he was catching so the Cardinals could get more breaks on breaking balls from umpires. Contreras does as he is told and lo and behold, the hitter for the New York Mets clobbers his arm . Contreras is out for six weeks and had surgery to repair a broken arm. To add insult to injury, Contreras was charged with catcher's interference and the batter awarded first base.
That, coupled with the Cardinals hitting about .036 as a team and losing two of the three to the White Sox and on the verge of being swept by the ever loving New York Mets and its time to do something drastic. This season is probably lost but if the Cardinals don't do something soon, attendance at Busch Stadium will look like such baseball mad places as Oakland, Miami or Kansas City.
Bye Ollie -- go back to the A leagues where you might learn some baseball. Take Molizak with you! PLEASE!!!!!!
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This season is probably lost but if the Cardinals don't do something soon, attendance at Busch Stadium will look like such baseball mad places as Oakland, Miami or Kansas City.
So St. Louis has mostly fair-weather fans then?