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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on July 25, 2018, 02:51:39 PM
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If- Theo,Cain and Elliot make normal freshman-sophomore progressions
If- Sam is healthy
If- Chartouny is who he was at Fordham, with better shooters around him
If- Morrow is the brute under the basket he was at Nebraska
If- Markus is Markus
If- Matt and Sacar are normal progression better
If- Joey really is like Sam.
If- Ike and Bailey give anything
If- Wojo can coach a team with an abundance of pieces.
This team will be very good. No one needs to be a hero. No one needs to make more than normal improvements. IMO, the biggest challenge will be finding enough playing time.
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Respect the process.
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If- Theo,Cain and Elliot make normal freshman-sophomore progressions
If- Sam is healthy
If- Chartouny is who he was at Gotham, with better shooters around him
If- Morrow is the brute under the basket he was at Nebraska
If- Markus is Markus
If- Matt and Scar are normal progression better
If- Joey really is like Sam.
If- Ike and Bailey give anything
If- Wojo can coach a team with an abundance of pieces.
This team will be very good. No one needs to be a hero. No one needs to make more than normal improvements. IMO, the biggest challenge will be finding enough playing time.
The playing time will be there for all. The veterans will all get solid minutes,the freshman and injured will be eased in as appropriate.
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Some say we will be top 15. I say top 12.
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Ill be shocked if MUBB doesnt finish top 5 in BEast. Thats tempering expectations....
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If- Theo,Cain and Elliot make normal freshman-sophomore progressions
If- Sam is healthy
If- Chartouny is who he was at Fordham, with better shooters around him
If- Morrow is the brute under the basket he was at Nebraska
If- Markus is Markus
If- Matt and Sacar are normal progression better
If- Joey really is like Sam.
If- Ike and Bailey give anything
If- Wojo can coach a team with an abundance of pieces.
This team will be very good. No one needs to be a hero. No one needs to make more than normal improvements. IMO, the biggest challenge will be finding enough playing time.
All of your "ifs" are individual ifs.
I say: If Wojo and his assistants know how to coach defense (I think they do), and if the players buy in, and if we make a major defensive leap, we will be dangerous.
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All of your "ifs" are individual ifs.
I say: If Wojo and his assistants know how to coach defense (I think they do), and if the players buy in, and if we make a major defensive leap, we will be dangerous.
I am sure the players will buy in. This year will tell us if Wojo has recruited the players he knows can execute what he expects on the court.
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I am sure the players will buy in. This year will tell us if Wojo has recruited the players he knows can execute what he expects on the court.
End of games, will tell if Wojo can coach. If they have a small lead Howard will not be on the court. You can play big, 2 6'3" or more players in the backcourt. Elliott
Sacar or Chartonney will be on the floor. Matt or Theo add Cain and Morrow and you should be solid on D. Wojo has options, in the past he really did not. Offensively
they might play more as a team instead of Rowsey jacking up some bad shots, then again when he was hot, MU was pretty good, it will interesting on both sides of
the ball.
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End of games, will tell if Wojo can coach. If they have a small lead Howard will not be on the court. You can play big, 2 6'3" or more players in the backcourt. Elliott
Sacar or Chartonney will be on the floor. Matt or Theo add Cain and Morrow and you should be solid on D. Wojo has options, in the past he really did not. Offensively
they might play more as a team instead of Rowsey jacking up some bad shots, then again when he was hot, MU was pretty good, it will interesting on both sides of
the ball.
You think a guy who's a career 92% free throw shooter is going to be on the bench with a small lead at the end of the game while a guy who's a career 59% free throw shooter is going to be on the floor in his place? I disagree.
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End of game line-up should be:
Best ball handler, JC
Best defensive big, Matt right now, subject to change
The three that have played the best that day. If that means rolling out Ike, Brendan, and Sacar go with it. I do think it will be extremely unlikely that either Markus or Sam will not be one of the three best on any given day.
(Obvious exception when you're winning the game at the line, play the percentages)
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You think a guy who's a career 92% free throw shooter is going to be on the bench with a small lead at the end of the game while a guy who's a career 59% free throw shooter is going to be on the floor in his place? I disagree.
There *may* be occasions where they will sub Markus out on defense if need be, but otherwise you are spot on here.
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Howard and Sam will be on the floor at the end because of FT shooting. If Matt continues to shoot like he did last year, he, too, will be on the floor. A variation of the press break against Kentucky. Have Sam lob it in to Matt who hands off to Markus or back to Sam. All shooting >85% from the line. Keep Matt or Sam behind the ball when Markus gets it and have the other get to the middle of the floor near half court. When Markus senses the double team, pass it to one of the other good foul shooters.
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There *may* be occasions where they will sub Markus out on defense if need be, but otherwise you are spot on here.
Agreed. If we're inside 5-10 seconds and up by 5 or less I would have Markus on the bench. Otherwise he needs to be in the game down the stretch.
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My expectations are top 2 Big East finish, Top 15 at the end of the season and a top 3 seed line in the tournament. Mostly because I'm assuming that the defensive issues were personnel (too short and too slow the last couple of years) that have been resolved and we will remain generally health with normal progression.
As far as end of games, the ONLY time Howard wouldn't be on the court is if we up 1,2, or 3 with less than 10 seconds on the clock and the other team is in-bounding. Even then I'm not sure Wojo pulls him. This is especially true because JC should be the primary ball handler so we don't run into any Providence type issues from Howard.
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My expectations are top 2 Big East finish, Top 15 at the end of the season and a top 3 seed line in the tournament. Mostly because I'm assuming that the defensive issues were personnel (too short and too slow the last couple of years) that have been resolved and we will remain generally health with normal progression.
As far as end of games, the ONLY time Howard wouldn't be on the court is if we up 1,2, or 3 with less than 10 seconds on the clock and the other team is in-bounding. Even then I'm not sure Wojo pulls him. This is especially true because JC should be the primary ball handler so we don't run into any Providence type issues from Howard.
all of this
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If- Markus is Markus
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If- Wojo can coach a team with an abundance of pieces.
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These two:
Markus not Markus in that we don't depend on his handle up the court. let him touch it second and drive or shoot.
Wojo coaching will really be tested. People aren't going to get the minutes they want...but I think we have an unselfish bunch. So hopefully no drama to drag us down. Can Wojo make the tough and right choices to play the best 5 at the right times of the game especially later in the BE season.
Also with so much "even" talent, I would like to see some early game pressing that wears some of them out a bit.
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My expectations are top 2 Big East finish, Top 15 at the end of the season and a top 3 seed line in the tournament. Mostly because I'm assuming that the defensive issues were personnel (too short and too slow the last couple of years) that have been resolved and we will remain generally health with normal progression.
As far as end of games, the ONLY time Howard wouldn't be on the court is if we up 1,2, or 3 with less than 10 seconds on the clock and the other team is in-bounding. Even then I'm not sure Wojo pulls him. This is especially true because JC should be the primary ball handler so we don't run into any Providence type issues from Howard.
I'm not sure an NIT team is going to make the jump to a top 15 team/top 3 seed when they lost their best offensive player and didn't add any immediate NBA talent (I think Joey eventually gets there and maybe even Bailey, but I don't think they'll have a lottery pick type of impact on MU's season this year).
That would be my dream for this season.
My expectation is a top 4 finish in the BE and a top 7 seed.
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My expectations are top 2 Big East finish, Top 15 at the end of the season and a top 3 seed line in the tournament. Mostly because I'm assuming that the defensive issues were personnel (too short and too slow the last couple of years) that have been resolved and we will remain generally health with normal progression.
As far as end of games, the ONLY time Howard wouldn't be on the court is if we up 1,2, or 3 with less than 10 seconds on the clock and the other team is in-bounding. Even then I'm not sure Wojo pulls him. This is especially true because JC should be the primary ball handler so we don't run into any Providence type issues from Howard.
When do we do the "Way-to-early" preseason predictions? Someone going to start a thread? I'm not good at framing that stuff.
From my rosy colored spectacles: We can win the BE! ;)
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These two:
Markus not Markus in that we don't depend on his handle up the court. let him touch it second and drive or shoot.
Wojo coaching will really be tested. People aren't going to get the minutes they want...but I think we have an unselfish bunch. So hopefully no drama to drag us down. Can Wojo make the tough and right choices to play the best 5 at the right times of the game especially later in the BE season.
Also with so much "even" talent, I would like to see some early game pressing that wears some of them out a bit.
I would like to see pressing, too. However, one question mark about this team is quickness. Can you effectively press with length, not speed?
Top 3 in the Big East. 5 seed in the dance. How the team starts will determine ranking.
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There *may* be occasions where they will sub Markus out on defense if need be, but otherwise you are spot on here.
That is more what I was talking about. Sure Howard and Sam should be in on offensive side of the ball, of course. But I am talking about that last possession or
two, no way would I have either of them in.
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That is more what I was talking about. Sure Howard and Sam should be in on offensive side of the ball, of course. But I am talking about that last possession or
two, no way would I have either of them in.
When I first read it, I had the same reaction as wades. But then I figured you meant defensively only.
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That is more what I was talking about. Sure Howard and Sam should be in on offensive side of the ball, of course. But I am talking about that last possession or
two, no way would I have either of them in.
Why would you not have one of our best defensive players and rebounders not in the game at the end? Are you forgetting who challenged Brunson and got the rebound in the win over Nova a couple years ago? Sam will again be one of our best defenders this year.
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Why would you not have one of our best defensive players and rebounders not in the game at the end? Are you forgetting who challenged Brunson and got the rebound in the win over Nova a couple years ago? Sam will again be one of our best defenders this year.
Sam is coming off surgery, who knows how he will be period, states he will be ready for opening practice, but will he be the same player as before, lets wait to make
judgement on that. He was at the right place at the right time to help defensively on Brunson since Brunson beat his man, Sam came over and helped. Sam is about
7 inches taller than Brunson so yes I would expect Sam to get the rebound. One play does not make a defender.
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Sam is coming off surgery, who knows how he will be period, states he will be ready for opening practice, but will he be the same player as before, lets wait to make
judgement on that. He was at the right place at the right time to help defensively on Brunson since Brunson beat his man, Sam came over and helped. Sam is about
7 inches taller than Brunson so yes I would expect Sam to get the rebound. One play does not make a defender.
Let's put it this way, based on what I'm hearing....1st team Big East for Sam wouldn't surprise me. Rehab is going very well
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For Marquette to make the jump that many fans seem to be anticipating, it's going to take more than incremental increases.
Markus, Sam and presumably Chartouny are nice pieces to start with. However, MU will need at least one more guy to step up significantly if they want to be a team that can make some noise in March. It could be Anim or Cain or Elliott or Joey or one of the bigs. It really doesn't matter who, but for all the talk about MU's "depth," it's difficult to sustain success by running a bunch of guys out there and planning to just go with the hot hands down the stretch. Someone needs to separate themselves from the pack and become a legit go-to player as opposed to simply be a "contributor."
Don't get me wrong, depth is great. If someone is injured or gets into foul trouble, it's reassuring to have someone who can step in without a huge drop-off, but by the time the BE seasons comes around, if Wojo is going 10-11 deep, I don't think that would be a good sign.
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2nd in the Big East
Back end of the top 25
5 seed in the NCAAs
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2nd in the Big East
Back end of the top 25
5 seed in the NCAAs
Ugh!....that 5/12 game is always a killer.
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If- Joey really is like Sam.
Having one Hauser on the team has been great. Joey gives Wojo double shock Hauser power. Who couldn't use another smart, team-oriented forward who defends up to 3 positions, scores 9 ppg, pulls down 5 rpg and shoots 45% from long range (stats based on Sam's freshman year numbers)? Plus, they could play together for two seasons.
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Projecting Marquette's usage in 2018-19: http://latenighthoops.com/projecting-marquettes-2018-19-usage/#.W1noDNVKjIU
Gonna have a lot of medium-usage guys...
#Top15
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Sam is coming off surgery, who knows how he will be period, states he will be ready for opening practice, but will he be the same player as before, lets wait to make
judgement on that. He was at the right place at the right time to help defensively on Brunson since Brunson beat his man, Sam came over and helped. Sam is about
7 inches taller than Brunson so yes I would expect Sam to get the rebound. One play does not make a defender.
So then the same could be said for you are making a judgement based on a surgery that there is "no way" he should be in the game?
And that play illustrates exactly why you need Sam in at the end of the game, no matter what. He has the highest basketball IQ on the team and is really really good with positional defense. Who would you have out there in his place? I would really like to know who this much better defender is that should be playing in his place.
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Ugh!....that 5/12 game is always a killer.
Won't lie, I had that same thought when I did the summer bracketology for Paint Touches.
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Projecting Marquette's usage in 2018-19: http://latenighthoops.com/projecting-marquettes-2018-19-usage/#.W1noDNVKjIU
Gonna have a lot of medium-usage guys...
#Top15
Good stuff as always. Joey Hauser at second with 23%? I've been assuming his playstyle would be similar to his brother's. What do you see in home that makes you think his usage will be that high?
EDIT: NVM. Saw your answer in another thread.
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OK, not old guys ... operating from the "there are no stupid questions" school of thought ...
I know that Usage Rate has to do with the percentage of team plays "used" by a player while he's on the court.
My question is why it matters when determining who the most effective players (or best players?) are.
From what I understand of the stats, I prefer eFG% and TS%. Maybe that's because I understand them better.
None of them adequate measure passing IMHO.
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OK, not old guys ... operating from the "there are no stupid questions" school of thought ...
I know that Usage Rate has to do with the percentage of team plays "used" by a player while he's on the court.
My question is why it matters when determining who the most effective players (or best players?) are.
From what I understand of the stats, I prefer eFG% and TS%. Maybe that's because I understand them better.
None of them adequate measure passing IMHO.
Think of it this way... If you shoot 90% eFG%, but you rarely shoot, you're not having a big impact on the game.
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OK, not old guys ... operating from the "there are no stupid questions" school of thought ...
I know that Usage Rate has to do with the percentage of team plays "used" by a player while he's on the court.
My question is why it matters when determining who the most effective players (or best players?) are.
From what I understand of the stats, I prefer eFG% and TS%. Maybe that's because I understand them better.
None of them adequate measure passing IMHO.
The way I describe usage is that it gives context to other stats. High usage is not good or bad, it just tells you what kind of player you have.
It's not perfect, but here's how I tend to think about it:
High efficiency/high usage=Superstar player
High efficiency/med usage=Starter
High efficiency/low usage=Specialized role player
Med efficiency/high usage=Starter
Med efficiency/med usage=6th Man
Med efficency/low usage=Rotation player
Low efficiency/high usage=Chucker
Low efficiency/med usage=Rotation player
Low efficiency/low usage=Benchwarmer
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The way I describe usage is that it gives context to other stats. High usage is not good or bad, it just tells you what kind of player you have.
It's not perfect, but here's how I tend to think about it:
High efficiency/high usage=Superstar player
High efficiency/med usage=Starter
High efficiency/low usage=Specialized role player
Med efficiency/high usage=Starter
Med efficiency/med usage=6th Man
Med efficency/low usage=Rotation player
Low efficiency/high usage=Chucker
Low efficiency/med usage=Rotation player
Low efficiency/low usage=Benchwarmer
This framework is excellent.
It helps explain why a guy like Vander Blue can be G League MVP and not have a chance at the NBA.
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Projecting Marquette's usage in 2018-19: http://latenighthoops.com/projecting-marquettes-2018-19-usage/#.W1noDNVKjIU
Gonna have a lot of medium-usage guys...
#Top15
Totally agree on both the ton of medium-usage guys and the top 15 call. I see that as the base case, +/- 10 slots upside/downside. The offense should be better than ever (which should be a sight to behold). How much we improve on defense will determine how far away we are from #15 and on which side.
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Think of it this way... If you shoot 90% eFG%, but you rarely shoot, you're not having a big impact on the game.
The way I describe usage is that it gives context to other stats. High usage is not good or bad, it just tells you what kind of player you have.
It's not perfect, but here's how I tend to think about it:
High efficiency/high usage=Superstar player
High efficiency/med usage=Starter
High efficiency/low usage=Specialized role player
Med efficiency/high usage=Starter
Med efficiency/med usage=6th Man
Med efficency/low usage=Rotation player
Low efficiency/high usage=Chucker
Low efficiency/med usage=Rotation player
Low efficiency/low usage=Benchwarmer
Thanks to both of you. I appreciate it.
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My Expectations for this coming year:
1) Win a national championship
2) Be competitive for a national championship
3) WIN the Big East regular season championship and the tournament.
4) Go undefeated at our new home, the Computer Castle
I don't care about rankings. They mean nothing other than an ego boost. I want us to come together in a way that we will be mentioned in the talk for the national championship. Unless we go like 28-2, that's not going to happen this coming year. But, again, that's talk. We want action in the form of a well-coached team where the parts come together well. If Wojo can pull that off, 1 and 2 could be possible and DJ Carton will be wishing he's gotten over his BIG addiction.
Cripe, if Loyola can make the final four with the team they had last year, we should be able to win it all this year. Plus a priest on the bench beats a nun!
The Big East is something that needs to happen for no reason other than Villanova needs to be dethroned. That may be as tough as 1 and 2, especially since Jay Wright is an incredible coach. But the team we have coming into the year could do it if.....
As to the Computer Castle, we need to get back to having a pit. A place no one wants to play because they get their backside handed to them.
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My Expectations for this coming year:
1) Win a national championship
2) Be competitive for a national championship
3) WIN the Big East regular season championship and the tournament.
4) Go undefeated at our new home, the Computer Castle
I don't care about rankings. They mean nothing other than an ego boost. I want us to come together in a way that we will be mentioned in the talk for the national championship. Unless we go like 28-2, that's not going to happen this coming year. But, again, that's talk. We want action in the form of a well-coached team where the parts come together well. If Wojo can pull that off, 1 and 2 could be possible and DJ Carton will be wishing he's gotten over his BIG addiction.
Cripe, if Loyola can make the final four with the team they had last year, we should be able to win it all this year. Plus a priest on the bench beats a nun!
The Big East is something that needs to happen for no reason other than Villanova needs to be dethroned. That may be as tough as 1 and 2, especially since Jay Wright is an incredible coach. But the team we have coming into the year could do it if.....
As to the Computer Castle, we need to get back to having a pit. A place no one wants to play because they get their backside handed to them.
Good post.
PS You realize Nova is not the defending BE champion right?
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Good post.
PS You realize Nova is not the defending BE champion right?
They won the conference tournament so it sortve depends on what you call Big East Champion
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I'm not sure an NIT team is going to make the jump to a top 15 team/top 3 seed when they lost their best offensive player and didn't add any immediate NBA talent (I think Joey eventually gets there and maybe even Bailey, but I don't think they'll have a lottery pick type of impact on MU's season this year).
That would be my dream for this season.
My expectation is a top 4 finish in the BE and a top 7 seed.
Agree until we have some good wins under our belt. Lots of ifs need to come together.
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Plus a priest on the bench beats a nun!
This is how #MeToo came to the Catholic Church...
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This is how #MeToo came to the Catholic Church...
Brother Brew, "beats" refers to hierarchy, as in having a priest on the bench exceeds having a nun on the bench.
That's official church doctrine. It may be outdated, but it's canon law for now. Priestly duties exceed those of nun duties.
What did you think I meant?
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Brother Brew, "beats" refers to hierarchy, as in having a priest on the bench exceeds having a nun on the bench.
That's official church doctrine. It may be outdated, but it's canon law for now. Priestly duties exceed those of nun duties.
What did you think I meant?
He was joking. The way you phrased it, it could be read as a priest is physically beating a nun on the bench
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Brother Brew, "beats" refers to hierarchy, as in having a priest on the bench exceeds having a nun on the bench.
That's official church doctrine. It may be outdated, but it's canon law for now. Priestly duties exceed those of nun duties.
What did you think I meant?
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Didn't think I needed teal for that one... ;D
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Didn't think I needed teal for that one... ;D
I know, but I also don't need to become the Scoop Sacrificial Warrior to the "Me Too " Crowd.
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1024776234524442625
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1024775902788575234
Rothstein says that Wojo says that the Hauser bros should be ready to do. Joey has been fully cleared and Sam will be cleared when practice officially begins.
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1024776234524442625
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1024775902788575234
Rothstein says that Wojo says that the Hauser bros should be ready to do. Joey has been fully cleared and Sam will be cleared when practice officially begins.
He knows someone will be cleared 9 weeks ahead of time?
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He knows someone will be cleared 9 weeks ahead of time?
First, that's not difficult to predict. It implies no setbacks, but I would interpret this to mean that his rehab is going smoothly.
Second, he said "when practice officially begins." It doesn't preclude him from being cleared earlier.
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First, that's not difficult to predict. It implies no setbacks, but I would interpret this to mean that his rehab is going smoothly.
Second, he said "when practice officially begins." It doesn't preclude him from being cleared earlier.
Correct, he can be cleared earlier but the first time MU has to comment/make it official is when the players are officially allowed to play.
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Being on track and being cleared to play are two completely different things...
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Being on track and being cleared to play are two completely different things...
No kidding. But saying that someone will be cleared in nine weeks is hardly an unheard of statement. I think everyone knows it assumes no set backs in the meantime.
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https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1035315366627397632
Didn't know where else to put this. Some nice comments on BE Shootaround about Joey and Brendan. A lot of talking head types seem to really like Bailey. Many (myself included) have penciled him in for garbage minutes because he's an unknown, but he might just surprise us.
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https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1035315366627397632
Didn't know where else to put this. Some nice comments on BE Shootaround about Joey and Brendan. A lot of talking head types seem to really like Bailey. Many (myself included) have penciled him in for garbage minutes because he's an unknown, but he might just surprise us.
Maybe this belongs in the "what if" section, but here's an interesting (and very happy) question:
What if BB is an effen stud? What if the kid can really, really play? What if he's a younger version of his dad, who was a stud?
If BB can play even half as well as "studly," our overall talent level is elevated significantly.
I love just thinking about it!
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Maybe this belongs in the "what if" section, but here's an interesting (and very happy) question:
What if BB is an effen stud? What if the kid can really, really play? What if he's a younger version of his dad, who was a stud?
If BB can play even half as well as "studly," our overall talent level is elevated significantly.
I love just thinking about it!
If B.B. can match his dads stats freshman year I think that'll be just fine with the current talent
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If B.B. can match his dads stats freshman year I think that'll be just fine with the current talent
Well sure, 4.5/3.6 isn't bad for a freshman who might be near the bottom of the rotation.
But don't forget ... Thurl did that at NC State as an 18-year-old. BB is a couple years older and, theoretically, more mature. (Of course, some might argue he's "rusty" from having done the mission.)
The following year, Thurl was 12.3/6.1. Wouldn't it be something if BB could approach that? If it's possible at all, I'd imagine the points would be more likely, as they play/played different positions.
BTW, Thurl was a great, great guy, so I'm guessing that BB is quite a fine young man.
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All of your "ifs" are individual ifs.
I say: If Wojo and his assistants know how to coach defense (I think they do), and if the players buy in, and if we make a major defensive leap, we will be dangerous.
Agree. This has been the greatest issue. If we made a major defensive leap last year we would have been dangerous as well.
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https://twitter.com/jsteppe1/status/1036697840825851904?s=21
Ed Morrow said at last week's Fiserv Forum open house that he's been fully cleared to play for the last five weeks and feels "10 times better" than before the sports hernia surgery. #mubb