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Title: Grambling grumbling
Post by: tower912 on December 17, 2019, 08:58:11 PM
1.  10 days of rust.
2.  15 minutes of wheel spinning.
3.   And then everything else was fairly predictable.
4.  I don't think anybody is getting anointed after this Grambling game.
5.  Silly technical on Akanno.
6.  Grambling will do very well in the SWAC.
7.  3 pt shooting top 10 in the country.   All is not lost, apparently.
8.  Not Jayce's night.  It will still be ok.
9.  I love seeing 10 deep and interchangeable.  Hope it lasts.  Gives Marquette an edge.  Exploit it.  There will be nights when it may only be 7-8.  But some nights all 10 will be needed.
10.  Never really in doubt.   
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: wadesworld on December 17, 2019, 08:59:47 PM
Double big lineup with Jamal could eat up on the boards, especially if the bigs are Ed and Jayce.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: fjm on December 17, 2019, 09:03:56 PM
I like the idea of throwing Ed at the line and try the jump shot real quick. Looked good if he could make one.

Also couldn’t cover. MU sucks ;)

Good w
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: lawdog77 on December 17, 2019, 09:05:12 PM
EsPN boxscore shows 27 assists on 29 made baskets. If true, impressive.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 17, 2019, 09:06:53 PM
EsPN boxscore shows 27 assists on 29 made baskets. If true, impressive.

Yup
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: IrwinFletcher on December 17, 2019, 09:07:41 PM
11.  27 Assists on 29 made FG’s.  Great ball movement.
12.  Four guys with 4 or more assists
13.  Morrow with some signs of life in the 2nd half
14.  TO’s were improved tonight

Great scheduling this game after 10 days off.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: mug644 on December 17, 2019, 09:09:58 PM
The ball movement was great. Best was just after the great Morrow block, when Elliott brought it up, passed it around the horn, got it back and hit the three.

I also agree that Grambling will do well in the SWAC. Very quick.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: We R Final Four on December 17, 2019, 09:13:01 PM
1. I think I’ve read this after every single Xmas break lay-off. You could have put this on your Grumblings 9 days ago.
4. Not worth mentioning. Red shirt is into the non con game. Shouldn’t have been a T. I know, I know....he’s a cheerleader...shouldn’t be clapping his hands in the opponents face.  Wojo, like you, will be all over it and make sure that this nonsense doesn’t continue!
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: MuMark on December 17, 2019, 09:14:31 PM
Thought Koby let the game come to him a little better tonight

Sacar’s improvement/development is a credit to,him and the staff......

Our bigs just can’t stop fouling.....grrr

SY just makes the simple and smart play over and over again......

The sequence where the ball swung around to Greg for the corner 3 after about 5 passes was just a thing of beauty.

Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: We R Final Four on December 17, 2019, 09:18:35 PM
Phantom foul on Theo.
Phantom foul on Jayce......
Seen it before.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: nyg on December 17, 2019, 09:27:56 PM
Thought Koby let the game come to him a little better tonight

Sacar’s improvement/development is a credit to,him and the staff......

Our bigs just can’t stop fouling.....grrr

SY just makes the simple and smart play over and over again......

The sequence where the ball swung around to Greg for the corner 3 after about 5 passes was just a thing of beauty.

Just a little.

He made two baskets tonight, both layups.  Koby cannot hit anything from the outside at all.
Last seven games:
10 for 50 field goals (20%)
5 for 30 three pointers (16%)

Koby did have 7 assists, 5 rebounds and 4 turnovers, and appeared to be emotionally better, but just hoping the outside shots start dropping by BE play.

Yes, Jayce Johnson played like six minutes and fouled out. 
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 17, 2019, 09:31:39 PM
Best offensively efficient game of the season. 

Defense played really well until garbage time.

Nice 30-7 run at end and start of the halves. 

High-low looked good.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: MuMark on December 17, 2019, 09:33:16 PM
MU is 3rd in the country in 3 point percentage.......only 10 games in but I sure didn’t see that coming.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: We R Final Four on December 17, 2019, 09:37:21 PM
And Think I Koby was hitting...or wasn’t shooting...close to top 5 Id bet.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: fjm on December 17, 2019, 09:39:45 PM
Love the 3pt game.

Koby can’t hit that 3 lately. He gets an open look and I feel like maybe he should dribble in a bit and try to hit the floater a-la MarKus last year.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: MuMark on December 17, 2019, 09:43:20 PM
Jamal is making 60% of his two’s and 44% of his 3s.......
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 17, 2019, 09:50:42 PM
1.  10 days of rust.
2.  15 minutes of wheel spinning.
3.   And then everything else was fairly predictable.
4.  I don't think anybody is getting anointed after this Grambling game.
5.  Silly technical on Akanno.
6.  Grambling will do very well in the SWAC.
7.  3 pt shooting top 10 in the country.   All is not lost, apparently.
8.  Not Jayce's night.  It will still be ok.
9.  I love seeing 10 deep and interchangeable.  Hope it lasts.  Gives Marquette an edge.  Exploit it.  There will be nights when it may only be 7-8.  But some nights all 10 will be needed.
10.  Never really in doubt.

Did not see the game. Akanno played?
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: We R Final Four on December 17, 2019, 09:53:45 PM
No.....but he clapped.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: forgetful on December 17, 2019, 10:01:39 PM
MU is 3rd in the country in 3 point percentage.......only 10 games in but I sure didn’t see that coming.

I would be selling Mane on how MU has one of the best shooting coaches in the country, and he can play in an offense where he can show off his shooting development.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 17, 2019, 10:16:12 PM
I love Sy on offense. I hate Sy on defense. He got caught flatfooted a lot tonight. But I'm willing to live with some poor D occasionally if he can get us out of those offensive slumps we've seen once or twice every game.

That Morrow block and that Morrow dunk were two great examples of physical dominance. If he could harness that into something organized and he could be a really good player.

Koby looked a lot better tonight despite clanking all of his threes. 10 points, 5 boards, 7 assists, you take that most nights even with 4 TOs. If he finds his shot again (shot 42% as a FR), we will be a very deadly team.

Liked the limited high low action with the two bigs. Don't know that there is enough fouls in the world to allowed that to happen on a regular basis.

Jamal continues to impress. If the last three games are his new normal I see good things in his future.

Sacar: 5/7 from 3, 1/4 from 2. If you had told me his freshman/sophomore years that he would be a sharpshooter who struggles to score at the rime I would have laughed in your face. I'm afraid that our three point shooting attack is not sustainable. Need him and Koby to attack the rim and finish to keep opponents from playing up on our shooters.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: Marcus92 on December 17, 2019, 10:41:33 PM
9.  I love seeing 10 deep and interchangeable. Hope it lasts. Gives Marquette an edge. Exploit it. There will be nights when it may only be 7-8. But some nights all 10 will be needed.

Would love to see 9-10 guys contributing most every night. Depth could be a real difference-maker this season, especially at the end of close games.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: Bad_Reporter on December 17, 2019, 10:46:00 PM
Waiting for Chico’s to chime in with the “BIG Johnson”
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on December 17, 2019, 11:16:48 PM
My takeaway: Symir needs to continue to get more run. The offense just operates more smoothly with him running the point. Always seems under control while moving the ball to the open man quickly.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: BM1090 on December 17, 2019, 11:40:17 PM
MU is 3rd in the country in 3 point percentage.......only 10 games in but I sure didn’t see that coming.

And more of our shots are coming from deep this year too. Never would have guessed.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 17, 2019, 11:43:12 PM
MU is 3rd in the country in 3 point percentage.......only 10 games in but I sure didn’t see that coming.

They are 10th in free throw rate.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: Jockey on December 18, 2019, 12:17:59 AM
Phantom foul on Theo.
Phantom foul on Jayce......
Seen it before.

No.

Jayce hacked anyone who came near him. Theo was almost as bad. All those extra FTs we give up will cost us a couple games this year.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: muhoops1 on December 18, 2019, 12:34:15 AM
GSU better than I thought.  Quick, attacked.  MU is way better but liked how how the Tigers played.  Samir is good.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: wadesworld on December 18, 2019, 06:29:52 AM
Waiting for Chico’s to chime in with the “BIG Johnson”

Good contribution yourself.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: mu_hilltopper on December 18, 2019, 07:00:09 AM
No.....but he clapped.

Didn't see the game .. wut?  (Akanno)
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: tower912 on December 18, 2019, 07:02:42 AM
Sacar made a 3 in the defenders face in front of the Marquette bench.  Akanno was standing and clapping and said something to the defender, who did not appreciate it.  Double tech.  Galvanized Grambling.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 18, 2019, 07:05:50 AM
I love Sy on offense. I hate Sy on defense. He got caught flatfooted a lot tonight. But I'm willing to live with some poor D occasionally if he can get us out of those offensive slumps we've seen once or twice every game.

Agree with this.  I thought the huddle that they showed when Wojo said something to the effect of "the help defense is great, but we have to take pride in our on ball defense, get right up in their chest" was aimed ay Symir, as he had just been blown past by a driver.

His passes and handle have been excellent.  His shot is a little wonkier than I thought after seeing him the first few times.  It kind of looks like a semi-set shot?  Like he doesn't jump much at all?
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 18, 2019, 07:49:31 AM
Didn't see the game .. wut?  (Akanno)


After someone hit a three, a Grambling defender was near the bench and must have said something.  Dexter gave him an exaggerated clap right in his face.  Both got technicals.

It was well deserved.  Especially when you are up 30.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: tower912 on December 18, 2019, 08:11:02 AM
Pluses: Shooting, ball movement, passing, stretches of really good defense, contributions from all 10.

Minuses:. Rebounding, fouls on bigs, Grambling able to beat defenders off the dribble, Morrow's backboard rattling jumper, sluggish start.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: jsglow on December 18, 2019, 08:31:05 AM
Just a little note on minutes.  Symir played more than either Greg or Brendan.  Jamal was 4th overall trailing only starters Sacar, Markus, and Koby.  Gotta like what those two kids are contributing.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: Jockey on December 18, 2019, 08:35:22 AM
Just a little note on minutes.  Symir played more than either Greg or Brendan.  Jamal was 4th overall trailing only starters Sacar, Markus, and Koby.  Gotta like what those two kids are contributing.

Don’t have the numbers, but it seems like a lot fewer turnovers with Samir on the floor.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: tower912 on December 18, 2019, 08:36:16 AM
Jayce was low minute man with 10, followed by Morrow with 12.  I am sure it will fluctuate game by game, but I love playing 10 and being able to mix and match.    This can really pay off as the season goes on.   
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: nyg on December 18, 2019, 08:37:15 AM
Symir has been impressive in the last three games, where his minutes have averaged about 16 minutes a game.  Considering he should be a senior in high school, his shooting should improve and maybe will be the point guard next year. His passing skills are very effective and is his strongest attribute.   

In the last three games, he has 12 assists and zero turnovers. 
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: monkeyman34 on December 18, 2019, 08:45:15 AM
I thought Marcus, Brandon, and Samir played really well
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 18, 2019, 08:45:17 AM
Symir has been impressive in the last three games, where his minutes have averaged about 16 minutes a game.  Considering he should be a senior in high school, his shooting should improve and maybe will be the point guard next year. His passing skills are very effective and is his strongest attribute.   

In the last three games, he has 12 assists and zero turnovers. 


Just remember that he reclassified to 2020 - then back to 2019.  He turned 18 over the summer so he is right where he should be age wise.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: MUfan12 on December 18, 2019, 08:48:37 AM
Double tech.  Galvanized Grambling.

And gave the referees license to call EVERYTHING after that.

I just don't understand why refs can't deal with a little bit of jawing, separate the guys, and play on. Instead there's replay review, discussion, and a double T that serves no real purpose.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: We R Final Four on December 18, 2019, 08:58:17 AM

After someone hit a three, a Grambling defender was near the bench and must have said something.  Dexter gave him an exaggerated clap right in his face.  Both got technicals.

It was well deserved.  Especially when you are up 30.
The score of the game has nothing to do with if a technical foul is "deserved" or not.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: Oldgym on December 18, 2019, 08:59:20 AM
I thought Marcus, Brandon, and Samir played really well

Who?
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 18, 2019, 09:00:40 AM
The score of the game has nothing to do with if a technical foul is "deserved" or not.


It was deserved period.  And I just think it's trashy to have players act like that when we are up 30.  So yeah, I think it was more deserved.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 18, 2019, 09:04:29 AM
WTF is Samir?  Like 3-4 dumbfvcks have written it that way!!
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 18, 2019, 09:06:53 AM
WTF is Samir?  Like 3-4 dumbfvcks have written it that way!!

Irony.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: T-Bone on December 18, 2019, 09:15:45 AM

Just remember that he reclassified to 2020 - then back to 2019.  He turned 18 over the summer so he is right where he should be age wise.
He's only 18.  He's only 18.
Like what I've seen from him so far.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: MUBBau on December 18, 2019, 09:26:36 AM
I thought Marcus, Brandon, and Samir played really well

Underrated post
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: leever on December 18, 2019, 09:33:48 AM
I thought Marcus, Brandon, and Samir played really well
I see what you did there.  Classic.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: The Thing on December 18, 2019, 10:37:03 AM
I thought Marcus, Brandon, and Samir played really well
I wasn’t sure if this was intentional or not...well done!
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: Loose Cannon on December 18, 2019, 11:46:51 AM
GSU better than I thought.  Quick, attacked.  MU is way better but liked how how the Tigers played.  Samir is good.

Oops.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: Jay Bee on December 18, 2019, 11:54:02 AM
9% usage for Symir over these past 3 games.

It's fine, this year affords him to do that.

Wonder what it is in a year.. 16-17%?
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on December 18, 2019, 12:27:01 PM
9% usage for Symir over these past 3 games.

It's fine, this year affords him to do that.

Wonder what it is in a year.. 16-17%?

If you count hockey assists I bet it's already in the 16-17% range
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: Marcus92 on December 18, 2019, 12:40:37 PM
The whole team seems to be emphasizing crisp perimeter passing to find the best shot, most likely in one of the corners. There were several possessions where three or four quick passes led to an open three.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 18, 2019, 12:41:18 PM
Symir will be counted on heavily next year.  That is why the redshirt never made sense.  This year he gets his feet wet and realizes the physicailty and speed of the game and adjusts over the next 12 months.  This year will prepare him by leaps and bounds for next year.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: tower912 on December 18, 2019, 12:46:15 PM
The whole team seems to be emphasizing crisp perimeter passing to find the best shot, most likely in one of the corners. There were several possessions where three or four quick passes led to an open three.
If you were listening to Wojo during the time outs, he did not want crisp perimeter passing.    He wanted them to get the ball to the foul line, get the ball to the post, cut, force the help, and either attack the basket or pass opposite.       The net result last night was 16-33 3 pt shooting.    Yay.    From a teaching and coaching stand point, getting the ball to Cain or Bailey at the foul line is the first step to beating the zone against a good team.   
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: We R Final Four on December 18, 2019, 12:51:35 PM
Agree—when BB gets the ball at the high post...he needs to get to the low post quickly or shoot that 15’. Both times he put the ball on the floor from there he lost it.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: tower912 on December 18, 2019, 01:58:58 PM
The way this roster is shaping up, I wonder if the best answer against the 2-3 zone is to have McEwen be the player flashing to the foul line.     Right now, he is struggling from 3.    Sacar, Markus, Elliott, Cain, Bailey are not.     So, set up the three shooters around the 3 point line and work the ball to McEwen at the foul line.    There, he either pops the short J, attacks the rim, bounce passes to the low post, or pitches opposite when the collapse help comes.     He has size, he has strength, and he is used to making decisions in traffic.   
 
Better than Sacar because he is a better passer and Sacar is not finishing at the rim.   

Better than Cain/Bailey, as neither is experienced having the offense run through them. 

Sub in GE for Koby and have him flash to the foul line.    Same rationale.   
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 18, 2019, 02:01:22 PM
Agree—when BB gets the ball at the high post...he needs to get to the low post quickly or shoot that 15’. Both times he put the ball on the floor from there he lost it.

If we aren't going to play Cain and Bailey together, at this stage, Cain seems to be the better option. 

The zone offense strategy is interesting as we are having Jamal or Brendan start the possession at FT Line, and then come out and ball screen the ball side guard at top of zone above 3 point arc, only to then retreat back to the FT line.

Think both Jamal and Brendan would best be served to immediately launch from there, or dump ball down low, or kick out immediately.  Decisive action is critical once receiving the ball there.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on December 18, 2019, 02:23:30 PM
The way this roster is shaping up, I wonder if the best answer against the 2-3 zone is to have McEwen be the player flashing to the foul line.     Right now, he is struggling from 3.    Sacar, Markus, Elliott, Cain, Bailey are not.     So, set up the three shooters around the 3 point line and work the ball to McEwen at the foul line.    There, he either pops the short J, attacks the rim, bounce passes to the low post, or pitches opposite when the collapse help comes.     He has size, he has strength, and he is used to making decisions in traffic.   
 
Better than Sacar because he is a better passer and Sacar is not finishing at the rim.   

Better than Cain/Bailey, as neither is experienced having the offense run through them. 

Sub in GE for Koby and have him flash to the foul line.    Same rationale.

I like it, would also say Symir flashing might be nice too. Have him find the open shooter upon collapse
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 18, 2019, 02:24:38 PM
The way this roster is shaping up, I wonder if the best answer against the 2-3 zone is to have McEwen be the player flashing to the foul line.     Right now, he is struggling from 3.    Sacar, Markus, Elliott, Cain, Bailey are not.     So, set up the three shooters around the 3 point line and work the ball to McEwen at the foul line.    There, he either pops the short J, attacks the rim, bounce passes to the low post, or pitches opposite when the collapse help comes.     He has size, he has strength, and he is used to making decisions in traffic.   
 
Better than Sacar because he is a better passer and Sacar is not finishing at the rim.   

Better than Cain/Bailey, as neither is experienced having the offense run through them. 

Sub in GE for Koby and have him flash to the foul line.    Same rationale.

Makes sense in theory. Only concern is his loose handle. That is a prime spot for turnovers and Koby is the worst offender in that regard
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: tower912 on December 18, 2019, 02:25:08 PM
Symir hasn't shown the ability to attack the rack yet.  So the defense wouldn't need to react to him as decisively as they would against Koby.

And no player on this roster is perfect there, a la Lazar, JFB, Jae, Wes.   In a perfect world you want somebody who can shoot from the foul line area, can put the ball on the floor and get to the rack, and who can pass.   Agree that Koby is loose with the ball.  Just brainstorming.
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: MuMark on December 18, 2019, 03:02:21 PM
Sam was great in the free throw line spot against the zone. Great shooter.....good passer and decision maker....and didn’t turn it over.

Oh well
Title: Re: Grambling grumbling
Post by: tower912 on December 18, 2019, 03:09:33 PM
Moot.